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Government Infiltrates Terror Cells Time and Again ... But Fails to Stop Attacks
It's amazing how governments infiltrate terror cells time and again, but then fail to actually stop the attacks.
London
The Guardian noted on February 13th:
A remark from the sentencing judge that Babar "began co-operating even before his arrest", has raised the possibility, supported by other circumstantial evidence obtained by the Guardian, that he may have been an informant for the US government before his detention by the FBI in April 2004.
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Having reviewed the court transcript himself, bereaved father Graham Foulkes said: "There's a hint from one or two of the sentences [in the transcript] that do strongly suggest [Babar's] co-operation was going well beyond his official arrest. And it looks as if the Americans may well have known in detail what Babar was up to in Pakistan [at the time] and that is a very, very serious matter."
When judge Marrero's office was asked to clarify the remarks, his office declined to comment. The US attorney's office declined to comment on whether Babar had been working with US agencies before his arrest.
The law enforcement officer involved in Babar's arrest and debriefing also refused to discuss the allegations.
Indeed, this short Fox news interview with terrorism expert and former prosecutor for the Justice Department shows that the bombing "mastermind" was a British intelligence agent (or read the transcript here). And see confirming story here.
An MSNBC translator confirms that claim of responsibility by Al-Qaeda was a fake. And see this regarding the unreliability of the translation.
This article from the Independent raises the question of whether attackers were "arrested and then released" while remaining under close observation by the government".
Times Online reports that the police were "bugging" the car of the mastermind of the bombings.
And apparently Israel was warned ahead of the blasts (confirmed here).
Madrid
BBC reported in 2004:
The Spanish interior ministry says it is investigating reports that two suspects in the 11 March Madrid train bombings were police informants.
The move came after Spain's El Mundo newspaper said Moroccan Rafa Zuher and Spaniard Jose Emilio Suarez had been in contact with police before the attacks.
The men are suspected of providing dynamite for the attacks, which killed 191 people and injured more than 2,000.
The paper said they passed on details about drug deals and other crimes.
New York: 1993
For example, the FBI had penetrated the cell which carried out the 1993 world trade center bombing, but had -- at the last minute -- canceled the plan to have its FBI infiltrator substitute fake powder for real explosives, against the infiltrator's strong wishes (summary version is free; full version is pay-per-view)?
And see this TV news report:
New York: 2001
The government had also infiltrated the 9/11 terror cell:
- An FBI informant hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000. Specifically, the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000. And see this Newsweek article and this New York Times report
- According to the large French newspaper Le Monde, the intelligence services of America's close ally France and of other governments had infiltrated the highest levels of Al-Qaeda's camps, and actually listened to the hijackers' debates about which airlines' planes should be hijacked, and allied intelligence services also intercepted phone conversations between Al-Qaeda members regarding the attacks
- According to journalist Christopher Ketcham, America's close ally Israel tracked the hijackers' every move prior to the attacks, and sent agents to film the attack on the World Trade Centers
- The National Security Agency and the FBI were each independently listening in on the phone calls between the supposed mastermind of the attacks and the lead hijacker. Indeed, the FBI built its own antenna in Madagascar specifically to listen in on the mastermind's phone calls
- According to various sources, on the day before 9/11, the mastermind told the lead hijacker "tomorrow is zero hour" and gave final approval for the attacks. The NSA intercepted the message that day and the FBI was likely also monitoring the mastermind's phone calls
- Shortly before 9/11, the NSA also intercepted multiple phone calls to the United States from Bin Laden's chief of operations
- The CIA and the NSA had been intercepting phone calls by the hijackers for years (see also this)
- According to the Sunday Herald, two days before 9/11, Bin Laden called his stepmother and told her "In two days, you're going to hear big news and you're not going to hear from me for a while.” U.S. officials later told CNN that “in recent years they've been able to monitor some of bin Laden's telephone communications with his [step]mother. Bin Laden at the time was using a satellite telephone, and the signals were intercepted and sometimes recorded." Indeed, before 9/11, to impress important visitors, NSA analysts would occasionally play audio tapes of bin Laden talking to his stepmother.
- And according to CBS News, at 9:53 a.m on 9/11, just 15 minutes after the hijacked plane had hit the Pentagon, "the National Security Agency, which monitors communications worldwide, intercepted a phone call from one of Osama bin Laden's operatives in Afghanistan to a phone number in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia", and secretary of Defense Rumsfeld learned about the intercepted phone call in real-time (if the NSA monitored and transcribed phone calls in real-time on 9/11, that implies that it did so in the months leading up to 9/11 as well)
What About the Terror Arrests?
But what about the arrests which have been made of would-be terrorists? Doesn't that show that governments do sometimes catch the bad guys?
Maybe ... but:
- Former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke said:
A lot of the cases after 9/11 were manufactured or enormously exaggerated and were announced with great trumpets by the attorney general and the FBI director so that we felt that they were doing something when, in fact, what they were doing was not helpful, not relevant, not needed.
- The Washington Post ran a story about one alleged threat entitled "Was it a terror sting or entrapment?", showing that the U.S. government lent material support to the wanna-be terrorists, and put violent ideas in their heads
- Raw Story reports that the alleged terrorist group that is alleged to have planned to blow up Chicago's Sears Tower was non-violent before a government informant infiltrated the group and planted violent ideas in their heads
- PBS' Frontline ran a special report focusing on the the alleged Al Qaeda plot in Lodi, California, which showed -- based upon interviews with top law enforcement officials involved in the case -- that the bust amounted to little more than entrapment and coerced and fabricated confessions from two men who, in fact, had nothing to do with the terrorist group
- There are numerous other instances of entrapment of peaceful or mentally incompetent people who are then arrested as "terrorists". For example, the "mastermind" of the terrorism plot was a self-confessed "pothead" , another was a crackhead, and that they were all semi-retarded. And see this, this and this
So while there are a lot of loud announcements about catching terrorists, most of the convictions are optics without substance.
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Didn't read the wiki site. Don't have to. Know about this template for 9/11. Even if it were proven that 9/11 was made in the USA, would people do anything? Would anyone pay?
Seriously who gives a crap anymore. Other things to worry about. Three insured buildings do not make a war anymore or the justification of a massive expenditure. The US government has around five months left of life and Canada has around eight, then that is that. Hope everyone has there food stocks and seeds for the long haul. Things are going to get ugly soon enough.
BTW, FEMA ended up with their supplier for the 420 million dry shipped meals just to make sure the bait is out there for the tin foil crowd.
CPL –“Seriously who gives a crap anymore…” I hear you. Late in the game and all but its kinda like giving the unbeliever’s a last chance to renounce their sins and accept Mr. J. as their personal savior so they can pass through the Pearly Gates of Truth
Like hearing the story of the man that murders dozens of people for a beanie baby collection and finds Christ the last five minutes before the injection is given.
...We know all the names involved. Just have to wait for the world to burn to make sure they and their blood are wiped off the face of the planet to never infect the human population again with their nonsense. By September in the high point of the hot season most of what is being held up on a shoestring and hope will be done, all it'll take is around 60 more dollars on a barrel of oil.
Well, I don’t know if I’d put that tight a timeline on it. I’d guess it’s going to be more of an incremental, Theatrical, SHTF scenario over the next 18 months. It’s better for The Man that way. Middle East destabilization is in progress. Sustained 150-200 bbl oil is not going to blow things down right away. We will be bled and yes the bottom 30-70% or the unprepared will be totally screwed. Just depends how the Ruling Oligarchy decides to run the scam. We could have a false flag nuke on Chicago or Atlanta or Toronto next week.(IMO) That would shut people up real good… Anyway my essential prep was done by spring of 09.
And yes we do know their names. A few puppets may go down but The Man will unfortunately get away. He always does.
It was 18 months ago...18 months ago. Seriously if you traded for a living you already knew these assholes, and most of them needed their mother's, father's, sister's, brother's and kin killed by proper poisoning three years ago.
Since anon voted the idea down so give people that "know" a chance to correct themselves. Since it's not happening. five months. All business as usual until we all drop the hammer on all communications...all of it...including the fag plane flying over head, we built it, we own it, the US army is only renting. Seriously.
Aug 31st 2011. Then the lights go out where required. Sorry's going out to DC, Orleans, Florida, NYC and a couple of others as required. Not involved in it, however Saudi is going for a big kill fest next week on Thurs EST, another in rational time, its called after "church" for those that live there. 220 a barrel is happening, so is 20 dollar a gallon milk, that'll be the end of it. All of it.
The Man has alway been on the radar. As anon, we own all communications by proxy of of building it and fixing it. We built it, we own it. The MAN rents it. The MAN is heading to rented bunkers in the middle of nowhere. What the MAN doesn't understand is they walk in, the MAN doesn't walk out. anon doesn't have to do a thing, it'll be lord of the flies under ground with friends and family. These are people that do not live by rules on the surface, put the pile of assholes together underground...how long do you think they will last before soyelent green is people?
"five months"? Let's hope you're right.
The whole thing goes over in the US debt infection, then China, then everyone else with an interest in that pond.
The whole thing goes over in the US debt infection, then China, then everyone else with an interest in that pond.
If the Gov't stopped all attacks, then they couldn't pull off the fascist TSA/DHS scam. They need to let things happen so we will behave like obedient sheeple, when the SHTF. It's called conditioning.
That’s a great little YouTube. The WTC 93 Bombing was a totally financed and run US Intel operation. Salem, the former Egyptian military officer and demolition expert, was an FBI informant. He was brought here by the US government for this pupose. When Salem was told by his FBI handler to use real explosives instead of inert ingredients as he understood the phony terror plot would go he began recording hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handler. They tried to frame him up at the trial but when he produced the recordings he was not only allowed to walk but was paid a million dollars by our criminal government to get lost. It all came out in the trial but most Americans are too stupid and lazy to get themselves informed.
I have read this before benb. The stupid and lazy wind up getting pants-ed.
Where's that idiot/plant 'nothing bogus happened on 9/11' nmewm?
"Where's that idiot/plant 'nothing bogus happened on 9/11' nmewm?"
You rang asshole?
Close enough on the spelling my little troll, considering your obvious dyslexia in spelling one small five letter word consisting of one vowel in between two consonant's and still screwing it up...I'm sure you've got all the answers in the world...ROTFL.
Now, we will start right where we left off...that is, with truthers lack of credibility & accountability for what has already been said and found to be dead wrong.
I'm going to pull a DP copy paste here, I'm sure you or him won't mind ;-)
"I suppose the ruptured utility lines as well as actual structural damage in WT7 had nothing to do with it's collapse? What part of the narration of events as they unfolded did you miss?
The firefighters saying stay the hell away from WT7 because it's on fire due to ruptured fuel lines and it's unsafe for even us to get close to or I & II beginning to collapse at exactly the point where the aircraft hit?
Amazing...simply amazing.
How many revisions of "fact" have those douche bag college kids who started all this 911 trutherism crap up to now...10-20?...I've lost count.
Fire not hot enough to further weaken already damaged steel supports...nope.
Pilotless aircraft...nope.
Mossad suicide pilots...nope.
Cell phones cannot function...nope.
The hijacked victims talking on cell phones to the ground were faked...nope.
And my personal favorite, Mossad voice to skull recognition software that must have been installed on the communications grid, disregarding the simple fact no one would know who would be on the planes or called till after ticket purchase and boarding...nope...LOL.
C4 demolition...nope.
Nano-explosives...nope, the buildings started collapsing at the point of impact, a jihadist amatuer pilot feat of remarkable flying skill and dexterity to go in right there where the demolition charges had been pre-planted...ROTFLMAO!!!
Carry on, I breathlessly await the next revision to the conspiracy plot line that would have had to include hundreds if not thousands of people seeding the ground around the site with the DNA of terrorist and victim alike...more popcorn please."
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/government-and-big-business-are-gaming-social-media#comment-977296
You felt it wise to call me out...here I am.
You, and only you, will now address the truther credibility gap for what has already been said before we move on.
nmewn
"I suppose the ruptured utility lines as well as actual structural damage in WT7 had nothing to do with it's collapse? What part of the narration of events as they unfolded did you miss?
The firefighters saying stay the hell away from WT7 because it's on fire due to ruptured fuel lines and it's unsafe for even us to get close to or I & II beginning to collapse at exactly the point where the aircraft hit?
Ruptured fuel lines and utility lines will not cause a building to free fall starting at the top of the building into its own footprint. It starts to implode on itself at the top where the penthouse is if you watch the video. If the building collapsed because of the reasons you state then you wouldn't expect it to collapse in this manner. The fuel or other weakening happened on the lower floors so you would expect it to start collapsing at the lower floors, with parts of the building remaining somewhat intact or at least not totally turned into rubble.
You lump everyone into the same boat (truthers) but they aren't the only ones that have done studies on this. I suppose that you think Oswald was the lone gunman too.
I'm here for my cowardly troll, BI.
He seems to have disappeared.
Just like a lot of theories about 911.
I didn’t do the spelling it was a cut and paste. I haven’t interacted with you on this issue as I have little patience for fools this late in the game. Just respond to these facts. And for the sake of others, try to keep the blathering short.
The supposed ringleader of the 9-11 attacks was Mohammed Atta. The Washinton Post reported on September 13 2001 that a “Mohmmed Atta” attended Foreign Officer’s School at Maxwell AFB. -----Explain it.
Colonel Steven Butler, dean of the Defense Language School in Monterey California stated in a letter to the San Jose Mercury News that 9-11 was a government operation. He stated that these people (referring to the hijackers) were trained at our base. He said he didn’t know exactly what happened, but “Mohammed Atta sat in my classroom.” For his honesty Colonel Butler was physically threatened along with his family and with court marshal. ---Explain it.
Why did the CIA Order Visas For 15 of The 19 9/11 Hijackers in Jeddah Saudi Arabia?http://zaytunah.wordpress.com/2010/11/25/us-state-dept-michael-springman-cia-ordered-visas-for-15-of-the-19-911-hijackers-in-jeddah/
Let me see..... Michael Springman was at the Consulate in Jeddah in 1987-1989, and is being used as a source to "prove" the CIA muscled for visas for 15 of 19 in 2001. Assuming his far earlier assertions are true, is it possible that the "requests" were related to the then ongoing aid to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan? Does Springman have any proof that such strong arming took place after he left Jeddah? Of course insinuation constitutes "proof" in the court of public conspiracy, but this is a little weak.
As for the "Mohammed Atta" item.....let's assume the WP did report this and reported it on the date stated...is it possible that there is more than one person in the Arab world named Mohd Atta? I went to school with John Smith, but I don't think he started the Mormon Church. Could be wrong, though.
Since you are an expert on all things 911, here's something that has baffled me since I first read the truther sites.....Why controlled demolition? Did the perps have a death quota or something? Wouldn't an east-west split of the two towers have been infinitely more spectacular? Certainly placing charges would have been a lot easier and quicker and subjected the perps to less chance of being caught. I mean, up until 911, the tallest building ever brought down by controlled demolition was 27 stories. Was Cheney or Mossad trying to get in the Guiness Book? It required almost two months of work for a large crew to place the explosives in the aforementioned 27 story building. Imagine the time and crew size necessary to bring down 250 stories of high rise on a single day---and not a one of them talked. And to get the two towers to begin their death throes from exactly the spot where their suicide pilots struck the buildings...Wow. Have we ever seen such competence from any government in the history of the world?
Oh, get a good stopwatch, too, and accurately measure the time it took the buildings to fall. "Freefall" is an oft told lie. Gravity is not approximate. Newton and Galileo both knew that.
Many people on this site---being a financial website before it became a magnet for the fringe---had numerous friends working down there, including in WTC7. People I know evacuated WTC7 well before noon. Why? Because the building was on fire, and burned hot enough to expand steel.
Small world being what it is, I also had a friend playing golf at a course near the Pentagon on that morning, less than a mile away. He and his foursome commented on the low flying commercial aircraft approaching Reagan National, then watched it strike. No missile. And yes, there are photogrpahs of engines, wheel housings and other parts that survived the crash.
Springman states that the visas he was forced to approve were for the Mujahideen in the war against the Soviets, and doesn't have any hard proof of this being done in connection with Sept. 11 hijackers, but it was the same office where it had happened before when he was there.
Why a controlled demolition? This is conjecture on my part, it is unprecedented and would have plausible deniability as no one would think it possible. The visual impact would have enormous effect resulting in a majority of Americans as well as the rest of the world supporting our retaliation, and replacing the communist threat with the war against terrorism. The tallest building ever brought down by controlled demolition was 25 stories and took 3 mo. to prepare was in 1998. This was 13 yrs. prior to 9/11. Do these demolition experts have the best technology available to them verses the intelligence agencies?
Stopwatch? It was at freefall speeds and I don't think this is disputable.
Your friends that were playing golf actually saw the plane hit the Pentagon? From which golf course? Just curious. The cab driver Lloyde that was on the road in front of the pentagon said that his cab was hit by a light pole, with the pole going through the windshield. Lloyde and another man removed the pole according to Llyode. There is no visible damage to the hood and the windshield is shattered? Seems impossible to me.
When has the government been this efficient in a conspiracy this big? The JFK assassination. As the Warren Commission report was a sham so was the 9/11 report. You bring up a lot of valid points which I am seriously contemplating and will research more.
"I didn’t do the spelling it was a cut and paste."
I'm here to collect my cowardly troll, BI.
And you didn't adjust for windage and elevation on your sniping "headshot" benb-badass...in the real world those errors can have deadly consequences for you.
I'd appreciate a link to the "atta sat in my classroom" statement. Thanks.
"I'd appreciate a link to the "atta sat in my classroom" statement. Thanks."
And I'd appreciate more than one persons statement in a classroom full of people.
Thanks.
Hmm... as if on cue.
Please do enlighten us, besides WTC 1, 2, and 7, how many other steel skscrapers have ever collapsed from fire?
freedmon, a little engineering for ya. It is structural engineering, so simple even a caveman can understand.
Knowing that steel melts from fire, them structural guys do a few things to prevent collapse: a) two or more paths to support the reactions (so if one should fail, support is maintained by the other(s)), b) limiting combustible loading, and c) coating the members with fire retardant barrier material.
'cuz, you see, it is not important that steel melts from fire, it is important that the stresses get out of the rinear region. Heating moves the yield stress; steel becomes play dough.
- Ned
{and 'rinear' is nodding respectfully to Prof. Wong ;-) }
How many other steel skyscrapers have been hit by a couple of jets and how many other buildings have been subjected to 2 buildings each about 120 floors falling on and around them? You sound just like the ranting homeless guy I walk by everyday.
http://guerillatics.com
"Hmm... as if on cue."
I'm here to collect my troll, his name is Bringin It.
I went to bed soon after posting, very comfortable in the knowledge he would not respond because he is a coward, he desires no credibility and does not wish to hold anyone accountable for all the bullshit stories that have come before...I slept very well.
I see no one else (including you) even attempted to regain lost credibility or to hold anyone accountable for spreading bullshit all over the ground that only nourishes weeds.
+1 detcord
BI –“Where's that idiot/plant 'nothing bogus happened on 9/11' nmewm?”
My son, I must tell you a horrible truth. We cannot help these unbelievers. Through the marvels of modern propaganda techniques, neurotoxins in the water, and super brain-draining agents like Lady Ga Ga these individuals have been lost to us. They are the Undead. As one observer once said –“Head shots only.”
This is nonsense!
We have always been at war with Oceania!
Well said sir, well said.
Last time I checked, there is no statute of limitations on murder.
The agents are accessories to murder and should be tried as such.
Eastasia is our frenemy!
Thank you for increasing my chocolate ration to 5 grams!
Truth is treason in the empire of lies..........
Did you make that up, because if you did, you are quite the wordsmith and philosopher.
++good
I *heart* Newspeak.
I'm just waiting for someone to raise criticism at George for using MSM sources.
Troll detection unit... check! Napalm ignition and delivery system... check!
I'm waiting suckers.
Make my day!
How does this fit in with everything? The Terrorist lawyer Lynn Stewart was convicted and disbarred for helping the terrorists -- and no apologies from her. Were they connected from the beginning?
A lot of the terrorist lawyers work out of the same offices (Kunstler) and are connected. They are also the same types in the DOJ now under Obama and Eric Holder who is also from the same school of thought.
Are they all trying to kill us?
Conviction of disbarred lawyer Lynne Stewart upheld for smuggling messages to jailed terrorist - New York Daily News
George is a tool of the MSM.
Low value target... you are not worthy.
ZerOhead you, sir, are hilarious and awesome. Thanks for making me smile +1000
Thanks Rick... Since I now have an impersonator here at ZH I think it's time to talk to Marla again...
MARLA where are you darling?
Whack!!! damn cat.... did I say that? so sorry, it's back the lair for me...I promise next time I'll be a good koppy-cat...promise
Thought you might have an evil twin...But that not being the case, Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. We will watch our O's and 0's from here on out...
"We will watch our O's and 0's from here on out..."
Incredible ain't it...every GW post is an adventure into bizzaro world.
I pretty much just slash & burn it now...nicely trained eye by the way.
interesting.... and who might you be?
For everyones information I NOW HAVE A DOPPLEGANGER!
Cool... I'll b e seeing you around.
Flattery will get them everywhere.
Like the number of the comment counter too Head. I wonder who the 1 millionth customer is?
Excellent assessment.