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The Government Monster: Presenting The Centrally Planned States Of America

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Bill Buckler's latest Buckaneer report does a 10,000 foot quantification of the one most critical, yet underreported, trend in America's transformation from past to future: its gradual, and ever faster, conversion into a totalitarian, centrally-planned state.

The proportions and the nations change, but the question remains the same. We here at The Privateer have raised this question before in relation to the US and we will probably raise it again. How did a US government “govern” a nation of 92 million people with an annual budget of $US 0.7 Billion and a TOTAL (funded and unfunded) debt of $US 2.7 BILLION one hundred years ago? The answer is very simple. For the most part, they didn’t. And because they didn’t, they didn’t indulge in economic make believe. They had no income tax to “fund” them and no central bank to print more money - if necessary.

Today, the US government “GOVERNS” 310 million people with an annual budget of nearly $4,000 Billion and a TOTAL (funded and unfunded) debt approaching $US 100,000 Billion. It takes about 5400 times as many Dollars and about 37000 times more debt to “govern” about 3.35 times as  many people as it did a century ago. Why? The answer is equally simple. Today, the US government “governs” everything. It is all pervasive. It has taken over the economy from its people.

At the same time, the present government reassures the governed that the cost involved is not theirs to bear but can be perpetually shifted to future generations if only they will continue to go along with economic make believe. Officially, this is known as the “full faith and credit” of the US government.

As for what the future holds in store for America, look no further than the outcome of every single attempt to enact a fully centrally-planned government in the history of the world.

 

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Sun, 06/12/2011 - 21:54 | 1363859 IdioTsincracY
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Top marginal rate >70%

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:01 | 1363872 mayhem_korner
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novel idea - confiscate more and have the unaccountable "manage" it...

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:20 | 1363908 Instant Karma
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The ponzi socialist experiment are imploding all over the world, here too.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:05 | 1363955 I am Jobe
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Long Live Rome. Yeap back to the Roman Days.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:38 | 1364004 TruthInSunshine
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I'd hate to see Obama being generous to  Wall Street...

Seriously...could they have had it any better?

 

Obama Seeks to Mend Fences and Win Back Wall St. Cash
  • By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE 10:19 PM ET

President Obama has started an aggressive push to win back the allegiance of a vital source of campaign donations in 2008.

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 05:35 | 1364231 malikai
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You have just proven to me that I can laugh and cry at the same time.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:43 | 1364016 john39
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If we are allowed to see the bilderbergs, they are not the true center of power. Just a diversion. Have to look deeper in shadows.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 02:58 | 1364176 chumbawamba
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Give the man a cigar.  A nice Cuban.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 11:13 | 1364823 SilverDOG
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Precisely. 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 06:11 | 1364248 snowball777
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The manwhores were for Bezos.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:25 | 1363916 IdioTsincracY
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I was just stating that in the goold old days the top marginal rate was >70%.

And it stayed that way for a long time as the Nation became a super power.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:38 | 1363930 mayhem_korner
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The "good old days" were embryonic of the catastrophe that is upon us now.

Class warfare/wealth redistribution is one of the socialists' most powerful misdirections in the grand scheme of consolidation.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:40 | 1363933 Spastica Rex
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Class warfare?!

Where do I enlist?

Class Unity - Class Pride

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:01 | 1363943 IdioTsincracY
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Wrong!!

The embryonic cause of this catastrophe happend when in the 80s the Trickle-Down bullshit and the Supply-Side plainshit was sold to everybody.

Instead of trickle-down, we've had pump-up-with-no-return .... supply-side is a sham, as we can see ...

That killed the core of the nation: the middle class ...

the rest is history ....

As for socialism ... the only socialism in the USA is the welfare for the Oligarchy.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:59 | 1363950 Spastica Rex
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Austerity is for the suckahz!

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:17 | 1363975 Manthong
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Wrong.

Embryonic was 1913:

1) Inaguration of Woodrow Wilson
2) 16th Ammendment (Income Tax)
3) Federal Reserve Act

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:23 | 1363987 Ahmeexnal
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Or 1492 with the arrival of imperialist euro-kleptocrats.

America and China had been trading for decades before the arrival of euro-kleptocrats.

 

http://articles.cnn.com/2003-01-13/entertainment/1421_1_gavin-menzies-zh...

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:47 | 1364086 Manthong
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Couldn't be.

The first printing press didn't make it to the colonies until 1638.

http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi733.htm

Add:

4) FDR Executive Order 6102 siezing gold - 1933
5) Ending silver currency - 1964
6) Nixon repudiates gold standard - 1971

and it's mission complete.. door open to print for socialism and inflate to serfdom.

All that was needed then was a series of clueless or evil leaders to finish us off.

We certainly got that.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 01:11 | 1364110 A Nanny Moose
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This is so funny. How far back do we want to go? Adam n Eve?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 01:35 | 1364131 akak
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The PreCambrian Axis of Evil: Amoebas, Diatoms and Cyanobacteria.

If you're not evolving into us, you're against us.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 03:03 | 1364177 chumbawamba
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DAMN YOU BIG BANG!!

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 06:12 | 1364249 snowball777
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Please spin the big wheel of natural selection, samsara, what have you.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 07:10 | 1364284 iNull
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Existence is evil aka First Noble Truth

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:17 | 1364375 boooyaaaah
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Adam was capable and reasonable according to Locke. And he sired capable and reasonable offspring (us).

He was not totaly depraved in need of totalitarian or royal direction as the Pope and Royalty would have you believe.

All we have to do is claim our rightful place and water the tree of liberty as suggested by Thom Jefferson

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:31 | 1364397 Ridgerunner
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Locke was wrong again? Surprise, surprise. Are Obama, Bernanke, Geithner, et al., any less Adam's offspring than the rest of us?

Poor Jefferson. It was a nice dream... but up against original sin, it's going down like everything else.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:57 | 1364460 AnAnonymous
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How far back do we want to go? Adam n Eve?

 

Unneeded and unproductive: the current world order is dominated by certain features, suppressed or inexistent before.

 

The date to go back is 1776 and the inception of the US. Since that date, several new elements replaced older dominant elements, other elements that were minor became major etc

To reach in what is today: the US world order, dominated by duplicity, racism, smithian economics, consumption for the sake of consumption, culture of death and some other stuff.

Backpedalling too much will be highly unproductive as the older orders have little in common with the newly imposed world order, the US world order.

Human nature is not eternal. Only US citizens nature is. Hasnt changed one bit since inception of the US.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 05:51 | 1364237 writingsonthewall
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...and for your bonus question - what was the Federal reserve set up in 1913 in response to?

 

That's correct - a previous crisis of capitalism - the panic of 1907 - plus a number of other crises in years prior to that.

 

Whichever way you look at it - this chicken and egg mystery is obvious. Capitalism FAILED - then Governments tried to resuscitate it by meddling in it at the demand of the people who were pissed off at all the uncertainty that Capitalism was bringing.

 

Capitalism will always lead to totalitarian control. If it's not the wealthy controlling the poor - then it's the Government controlling the markets in an pointless effort to stop capitalism failing.

 

All those who talk of 'scoialism' are talking out of their arses.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:37 | 1364413 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Capitalism FAILED

The Panic of 1907, also known as the 1907 Bankers' Panic, was a financial crisis that occurred in the United States when the New York Stock Exchange fell close to 50% from its peak the previous year.

The crisis was triggered by the failed attempt in October 1907 to corner the market on stock of the United Copper Company. When this bid failed, banks that had lent money to the cornering scheme suffered runs that later spread to affiliated banks and trusts, leading a week later to the downfall of the Knickerbocker Trust Company—New York City's third-largest trust.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 09:12 | 1364492 AnAnonymous
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The Panic of 1907, also known as the 1907 Bankers' Panic, was a financial crisis that occurred in the United States when the New York Stock Exchange fell close to 50% from its peak the previous year.

 

When this bid failed, banks that had lent money to the cornering scheme suffered runs that later spread to affiliated banks and trusts,

 

Banks, the banking structure has had a specific and exposed position in the economic world.

Symptoms are expected to show in some priviledged places, which do not change the very fact they are mere symptoms.

A person lifting heavy loads all day long is likely to feel pain in the back at first. Still remains it is a symptom and not a faulty back behaviour.

In structures, certain links fail before the others.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 09:03 | 1364476 AnAnonymous
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...and for your bonus question - what was the Federal reserve set up in 1913 in response to?

 

You wont get popular with statements like that.  Dont worry, most people here see the 19th US century as the golden past, the days when the US prosperity was generously sponsored by the Indians.

Life was cool in those days, it is only because of the bankers in 1913 who did not react to a situation (the end of the colonization of the Indian lands) and had to figure out another means to maintain expansionist schemes (and then had to subsitute monetary expansion for land expansion)

The damned bankers acted, they did not react. Before 1913, it was the golden era.

 

Learn the mantra to fit in on this site.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 09:51 | 1364596 BigJim
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It's true that the US' colonists' economic expansion was at the native americans' expense (their lands were stolen and they were slaughtered). However, by claiming the 'Indians' "sponsored" US prosperity is falling for a syllogism. Ask yourself this - if the US had been completely uninhabited before the Europeans came, would US economic progress have been significantly less? The answer, obviously, is no. So though the economic progress was at their expense, they didn't contribute to it particularly (unlike, say, the way that African slaves did)

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 10:04 | 1364622 BigJim
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You can only get away with statements like 'capitalism failed' with people who don't conflate government-mandated financial oligarchy with free-market capitalism.

The 1907 panic wasn't a crises of capitalism; it was a crisis of fractional reserve banking - something which would not happen without the government granting banks the licence to create money.

People like you who don't understand the nature of free markets and sound money are the ones talking out of their arses.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:40 | 1364412 mayhem_korner
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I cringe at these words, but I'm with Manthong.  :D

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:52 | 1364026 bigdawg
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No, the cut taxes/trickle-down idea from Reagan was to take us to the last gasp of the debt bubble 2007/2008...pretty amazing it went on for that long. 

When we we went to debtor nation status in 1973...it was the beginning of the end and the shot across the bow.  All Reagan did was get the country a little further along before the implosion. 

The current tax rate has little to do with anything.  If you tax more, the govt. spends more.  If you tax less, the govt. spends more.  So, why not just tax less? 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:18 | 1364381 writingsonthewall
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Are you really that slow?

 

The Government spends based on the demand of it's citizens. Right now there are a lot of unemployed citizens and the Government is spending money trying to assist them through these hard times.

....or do you think by stopping the assistance that these people will simply 'disappear'?

 

Despite what your MSM feed tells you - the amount of Government waste is small in comparison to the total spend. You will find that most spending is unavoidable and even if you removed all the uneccessary spending - you would see about a 5% difference - if you're lucky - and you might actually increase costs as a result.

 

You see many people like yourslef live in a bubble, you think that removing 'costly' youth clubs' might be a saving (mainly because you don't use them) - but you'll be the first to complain to the police when bored youths start hanging around in your street. Then the cost of calling out the police and the ensuing problems you will have in your street with vandalism and petty crime will far outweigh the saving made by closing the youth centre.

 

I guess you (like many others) don't think much further than "close youth centre - save money" - perhaps because your prejudice ensures you believe that it wasn't set up for a good reason other than the Government wanted to 'waste some money'.

 

Part of me wants Government to cut it all - all spending, every last penny - just to see the look on the faces of the 'bubblisers' who suddenly realise how much Government assistance they were actualy getting - especially the indirect assistance.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:42 | 1364424 MayIMommaDogFac...
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You will find that most spending is unavoidable

That is an interesting assumption.

and even if you removed all the uneccessary spending - you would see about a 5% difference - if you're lucky - and you might actually increase costs as a result

Ooh, logic...Or something meant to look like it.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:42 | 1364425 mayhem_korner
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Part of me wants Government to cut it all - all spending, every last penny - just to see the look on the faces of the 'bubblisers' who suddenly realise how much Government assistance they were actualy getting - especially the indirect assistance.

I say go for it.  I'll be fine.  The only assistance I get from the Federal government is that they double-check my tax returns each year. 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:56 | 1364446 mayhem_korner
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Despite what your MSM feed tells you - the amount of Government waste is small in comparison to the total spend.

Can I get some of what you smoke? 

Are you David Axelrod incognito? 

When you say small, you mean less than 100%, right?

Do you think transfer payments (wealth re-distribution) is efficient? 

Ever heard of tragedy of the commons?

Did you graduate the 4th grade?  On the first try?

 

When I hear this from folks that earn less than I pay in taxes, I understand better why I should invest more in Pb than any other metal.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:56 | 1364459 Blano
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Government waste is small??  Now that's the slowest comment I've seen on here in a while.

Besides, I'd rather pay the police to beat some sense into those bored youths while they still have a chance to learn something.

Using your logic, why don't we also buy them prostitutes so they can have their needs met that way as well??

Talk about stupid.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 09:09 | 1364493 mayhem_korner
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Here may be the most telling thing about what you worship...

...you capitalize Government at every turn.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 09:58 | 1364605 BigJim
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Where does he say anything about closing youth clubs, fuckwit?

You're suggesting only 5% of our military spend is wasted? How about 95%?

Most Government spending isn't 'unavoidable'. Singapore manges to avoid most of it, yet it has a functioning society.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 01:35 | 1364132 oldman
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I was there before trickle down was sold to the wealthy and middle class. I walked out of a meeting where Laffer was explaining the miracle it would bring---and why not? Not paying taxes unless you are a working stiff IS a pretty good deal for the 'upper income yuppy'----and abandoning maintainence of infrastructure and cutting nearly all direct fed social costs to thye states with a request to 'bill us' meant all the crazies hit the streets and became 'streetpeople'---oh, it goes on and on---this reaganmadness by the kiss-ass yuppies who we now call 'boomers'. We ruined this country not 'them'. Sorry, dudes, I just get tired of all of your whining----it reminds me of the boomers whining about the poor and unemployed and less-fortunates that was the core of the conversations by the boomers to cut taxes to the bone.

One thing was forgotten, however, the middle class benefited more from their underclass that was the meat and potatoes of their own dinner. I was there before and after; it was not only better for most people before but more humane, honest, and just----except for the class who ate all the food and now refuse to pay the bill.

I wish it had of been other-----

sorry---nothing personal here just an oldman's memory of the cause of this shit----nothing trickled down except pain and suffering for most americans

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 04:50 | 1364219 oldmanagain
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Idiot is correct. The tax cut pay for themselves BS did the nation under along with their friend the lack of regs.  The conservative Santa Claus, Almighty, manifest destiny, chosen people syndrone anti science and fact problem has wrecked the country.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:00 | 1364349 Zoomie
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No mater the marginal tax rate, we always collect about 19% of GDP in taxes.  So we should never spend more than 19% of GDP for programs to help the boomers.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:51 | 1364434 Monedas
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You are free to drink all the Democrat Kool-Aid you want ! Do you have to spit up on us ? Monedas 2011 Hell hath no fury like a Democrat scorned by reality !

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 09:03 | 1364466 Blano
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The tax cuts did pay for themselves, many times over.  It's the SPENDING that has gotten us into trouble.

Sheesh.  Why is this so hard to understand??

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 09:07 | 1364488 mayhem_korner
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Because you're dealing with brainwashed drones.  Apparently the same strain of DNA that is in charge of pretty much every failing state on the map these days.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 07:49 | 1364328 docj
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So, you're OK with the Gov being thousands of times larger than a century ago because you seem to think that if mean-old Ray-Gun hadn't cut taxes is 1981 everything would just be moving along swimmingly now. Is that about it?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

The US middle class was already on it's death-bed after LBJ's "guns and butter" nonsense. It's been a slow death since 1913 - the year the oligarchs won their final battle over the "independent" people of the nation. The destruction of the industrial capacity of the rest of the world in 1918 and again in 1945 delayed the inevitable a bit, but they can't go back to that well again because we're far too far gone.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 09:14 | 1364511 AnAnonymous
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The US middle class was already on it's death-bed after LBJ's "guns and butter" nonsense. It's been a slow death since 1913 - the year the oligarchs won their final battle over the "independent" people of the nation.

 

The US middle class building was an omen. The US only extended the model of social promotion by nobles, on a larger scale due to coincidence (the finding of the Indian lands)

US stole the lands from the Indians to get the US government to hand it over to the US citizenry.

Once the capacity to expansion has been beginning to thin out, it has been growing more and more difficult for the US middle class.

And people should not blame the bankers in 1913: actually, these men found out a way to extend the duration of the US expansion, this time through monetary means. Helping the US middle to grow fatter in the process.

Now that the world is saturated by the US monetary expansion, well, the very enabler of the US middle class is waning.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 09:38 | 1364582 docj
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Well said. Perhaps don't agree with it all (lots to think about ), but very well and concisely said.

And people should not blame the bankers in 1913...

FWIW, I don't. I blame the oligarchs. The bankers, like the rest of us, pretty-much work for them.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:06 | 1363960 RafterManFMJ
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The good 'ole days weren't always good, and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 03:04 | 1364180 chumbawamba
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Oh yeah?  Well, they were better than this.

Tomorrow we just continue the downward spiral.

Stop with the happy horse shit.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 05:14 | 1364225 Incubus
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"Even the Mona Lisa is falling apart."

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 06:18 | 1364250 snowball777
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"Where you come from is gone. Where you thought you were going to, weren't never there, and where you are ain't no good, unless you can get away from it." - Ministry, Jesus Built My Hotrod

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 01:23 | 1364119 A Nanny Moose
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I feel compelled to point out that we became a "super-power," and were "prosperous" with those 70-90% tax rates (which nobody paid) because we had just eliminated the industrial capacity of the rest of the world in WWII.

Ominous...n'est-ce pas?

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:53 | 1364438 Monedas
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If nobody paid them....then why charge them ?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 01:53 | 1364145 topcallingtroll
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With the only remaining significant industrial base, the ability to run deficits without tears, and a third of the world committing slow suicide by communism we could have some really fucked up policies and still have a great economy.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 12:06 | 1364937 Manthong
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"a third of the world committing slow suicide by communism"

And that where we find ourselves now.. slow suicide by globalist/socialist/communist new world order "policy actions" that lead to central planning and control by oligarchs.

All enabled by the move from independence and value discovery at a local level to debt slavery, value manipilation and social control by oligarchs and central planning elites.

Central banking and paper was the vehicle and it was put into motion here in 1913.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:04 | 1363957 SparkyvonBellagio
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Lehman/WaMu will the Govt plan to unite these next????

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:03 | 1364048 10kby2k
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Well, there is a god and its not Lebron. I'm not conceeding yet to Bernanke.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:59 | 1364092 glenlloyd
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your avatar (obviously) speaks volumes

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 21:52 | 1363862 coppertop
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just flew in from the Bildreberg conference and boy, are my arms tired.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:46 | 1364020 cosmictrainwreck
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did ya see Hillary there?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 03:08 | 1364183 chumbawamba
Mon, 06/13/2011 - 06:19 | 1364252 snowball777
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You got to use your arms?!

Son of a...

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 21:55 | 1363863 anarkst
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Government.  What a great idea.

 

It's right up there with the original Africian who thought it was a good idea to head north.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 21:53 | 1363865 mayhem_korner
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Full faith and credit is the alpha lie. 

Decouple the pledgor and the backers and voila - the death knell is cast!

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:25 | 1363923 MarketTruth
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Actually "full faith and credit" is the US government's ability to (ab)use the citizen labor force and the government's ability to tax said (slave) labor's income.

US citizens are little more than entities to be taxed and are what is relied upon to form the "full faith and credit" to aid the US government's ability to fund whatever the government desires.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:30 | 1364078 RockyRacoon
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Sorta like those little human batteries in The Matrix.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:38 | 1364085 sitenine
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What is a consumer worth?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:56 | 1364457 mayhem_korner
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5% in most states...

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 21:59 | 1363868 KennyG09
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I pledge the allegiance to the war banner of the united states of Totalitaria. And to the Republic, which no longer stands, several bankers, who are now God, indivisible, with Bernanke bucks and credit for all.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 21:56 | 1363870 curiosul
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As much as my guts want to say it's someone's fault ... (and you can apply this to any bad thing happening today - TV, drunk driving, facebook etc), my reason says it's natural evolution. It had to happen one way or another. It happened somewhere else, it happened here and it will happen in other places too. Sad - yes but the more you think about it, the clearer it becomes ...

 

My 2c.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:01 | 1363878 mayhem_korner
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man is broken...5,000 year old story

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 01:25 | 1364121 Bolweevil
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...in New Orleans up in Berkeley out in Queens
Somebody somewhere ain't treatin somebody right

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 05:11 | 1364226 Incubus
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I've been saying this for more than a decade.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 07:21 | 1364290 iNull
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9500 according to Joseph Campbell, but who's counting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%87atalh%C3%B6y%C3%BCk

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 05:14 | 1364218 i-dog
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"my reason says it's natural evolution"

As someone else has said:

"If, for example, we found that the dominant interest of members was raising ducks, that they wrote articles about ducks, bred ducks, sold ducks, formed duck-studying councils, developed a philosophy of ducks, then it would be reasonable to conclude that they had an objective concerning ducks, that this is not mere random activity."

Compare that with the Bilderbergers, CFR, Trilateral Commission, League of Nations, United Nations, and a raft of other international "organisations", "think tanks", "foundations" and "planning groups" -- all associated with Yale Skull & Bones members -- where all these groups and individuals write about, talk about, and take actions towards, a New World Socialist Order, and have done so for over 100 years -- then you might just start to question your "natural evolution" theory!

During some light reading over the weekend, I discovered, for example, that the communist world decided to completely change strategy in 1960 from oppressive totalitarianism to a mock process of "liberalisation" through "controlled opposition". Their plan was to be "more appealing" to the west to enable longer-term assimilation of the west.

So, what else happened in America in 1960? Well, coincidentally, Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower set up a "President's Commission on National Goals" (containing some influential 'bonesmen') which decided that Constitutional sovereignty of the individual and Jeffersonian democracy ("the best government is least government") should be replaced by a new focus on the DUTY of the citizen to advance the will of the state!

One month later, in his inaugural address, the incoming president from the other team (John F. Kennedy) said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"!!

Notice the thread here?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 09:12 | 1364500 MayIMommaDogFac...
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George Carlin said something along the lines of: "Conspiracy Theory is the word they use to make people think it is crazy to believe that wealthy and powerful individuals actually get together and try to plan things."

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 10:57 | 1364760 i-dog
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Indeed. Random individual actions of persons in society would never lead to a New World Order. It's artificial, therefore it has to be created. And if created, then by whom?

It is also the antithesis of American thought ... which holds that the individual is the ultimate source of sovereignty, where the State is the servant of the people. This socialist NWO nonsense is the exact opposite: that the State is superior; that the serf can only find freedom through obedience to the State! Fuck that!

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:03 | 1363874 Conrad Murray
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The good thing about totalitarian governments is they tend to kill off the idiots that allow them to exist.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:23 | 1363988 bigdumbnugly
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hmmm, never thought of it that way before.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 02:47 | 1364171 Al Gorerhythm
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Not before sucking them dry first.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 06:32 | 1364259 snowball777
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Sure, killing off the intellectual dissidents will leave nothing but pure revolutionary stock to throw off the yoke. Uh huh. Yup. Then you'll be 'safe' for a good long while.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:07 | 1364358 prole
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That is like saying 'the farmer tends to kill off the sheep.' "The good thing about slaughterhouses is they tend to kill off the cattle."

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:00 | 1363875 RobotTrader
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It really doesn't matter how big the debt gets.

As long as we continue to get bashed with financial market spasms, convulsions, and credit market events that send stocks lower....

Everybody and their brother will flee to the safety and security of AAA-rated, gilt-edged Uncle Gorilla loans.

In fact, if unemployment fails to improve in the next 3 years and the LEI continues to roll over, a 2.5% 10-yr. yield is pretty much assured, with constant and continuous 300% oversubscribed auctions.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:04 | 1363886 mayhem_korner
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...AAA-rated...

...a 2.5% 10-yr. yield is pretty much assured...

 

Can't you just start with "Once upon a time in a faraway land..." ?

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:44 | 1364012 Oracle of Kypseli
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Down south we don't use "Once upon a time"

We start with: "Y'all ain't gonna believe this shit"

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:59 | 1364043 Irwin Fletcher
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Or it starts with "The other day...," which could have been many years ago.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:09 | 1363895 Everybodys All ...
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It doesn't really matter how big the debt gets? Really, I think you will find out that statement is inaccurate. Debasing the currency will have a cost in the debt markets. Ask anyone in Europe.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:29 | 1364080 RockyRacoon
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Debasing the currency will have a cost in the debt markets.

We can certainly hope so.  I'd call that the best case.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:56 | 1363944 DoChenRollingBearing
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I think you got it RobotT.

Stocks get smashed, treasuries will be acceptable to many even at low rates.

Too bad about the inflation though.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:30 | 1364081 RockyRacoon
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I hate it when small parts of The Privateer appear.  Ain't nothing without the context.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:23 | 1364075 trav7777
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it's clear the only way this can work is with leverage.  The problem is that this sort of insane leverage is highly rate-sensitive.  ONE little fart from an ant and the whole thing blows completely the fuck up in a hypernova

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:31 | 1364083 RockyRacoon
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Hypernova?   Got my best shades on.  Let's boogie!

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:04 | 1363882 dick cheneys ghost
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Cost lots of money to run a police state......how much of that is spent overseas to keep the world safe for the fortune 500?.........$5.5 trillion just on nuclear weapons since 1940's...but who's counting.......

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:07 | 1363884 Yen Cross
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  Just wait until those 12 aircraft carriers start to ROT. Then we will see how the Reserve Currency thingy dingy works!

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:20 | 1363909 Monedas
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If our Dept. of Defense is anywhere as efficient as Nasa and their Space Shuttle......how safe are we ? New math: One C5A cargo plane = 60 ? 747 cargo planes ? One Hummer = 40 ? Toyota 4X4s ?  One AR15 = 40 ? AK47s ($39.95 ea FOB Shanghai) ? One LAWS = 40 ? Soviet RPG launchers ? Monedas 2011 OK, OK I'm guessing ? I don't have a staff !

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:02 | 1363949 DoChenRollingBearing
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$40 for an AK-47 wholesale FOB Shanghai would imply $120 retail.

Man did I overpay!

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:27 | 1363991 Montgomery Burns
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And worth every penny!

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:45 | 1364010 Monedas
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They've been stampin' them out since the 40's in plants around the world ! In Viet Nam we "came upon" a few AK47s and RPGs which were apparently dropped in haste ! That evening we were all over them....breaking them down and studying them ! They had fresh brown paint....like the USPS and the Army used to use....it was a comforting, nostalgic color ! Their brown had a little more green to it, maybe ! The RPG is impressive and simple....a kid can use it....and as we seen on CNN they often do ! It's like our WWII Bazooka except it has propellant to keep it flying ! I think the Bazooka was more like a shoulder mortar ? The explosive is huge....the size and look of a large artichoke....the propellant tail is about a foot and a half long and slightly thicker than a "D" battery ! Ya slip it in the tube, it locks and cocks, ya pull da trigger !!! The VC's dropped lunch was a 6" diameter ball of safron rice wrapped in "Saran Wrap" (Monsanto not DOW ! Hahaha for the Liberal pukes !) to keep it together....I admire resourceful people wherever they are ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad War Stories

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:19 | 1364062 Montgomery Burns
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The best thing about AKs is that they're cheap. I prefer an AR anyday.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:29 | 1364076 trav7777
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ARs suck shit compared to modern carbines like HK is making

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 01:07 | 1364098 Monedas
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I was very impressed with the AK47 ! The casing was highly tapered.....no way it was going to stick in the chamber ! It was a shorter round requiring less travel for the bolt ! There was a slot in the face of the bolt and when the bolt came back a metal tab in that slot kicked the casing across the room....very positive ejection ! The rim of the cartridge was thick and deep the bolt really grabbed it ! The gas port, piston and activating rod were fail proof ! A friend has one....and it never jams ! Period ! The AR15 was modified several times but they never corrected the inherent flaws.....that would have required a complete redesign of the weapon ! I don't know what they're using today ! Monedas 2011

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 02:02 | 1364150 topcallingtroll
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I think you meant AR although monedas thinks you meant AK and I totally agree with you.

I would probably take an H and K over an AK 47.

The AR, m16, M4A4 platforms require a huge supply chain with troops dedicated to keeping the fuckers in good shape. Useless toys for a guerilla army. Try keeping one in good shape on your own after three weeks in the field.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:10 | 1363996 Dapper Dan
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At the close of WWII we could make a Willys Jeep for around  $400.00,  today our new Jeep is a MRUV mine resistant utility vehicle, cost  around  $1,000,000.00, does about the same thing.

The troops love them for the fact that they do save lives, I have heard 70%+  reduction in fatalities from IED,s but that is not my point  I don't believe we can "win" a war if our jeeps cost a million plus.

 

"He who defends everything, defends nothing"

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:29 | 1364077 trav7777
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yes.  The future of asymmetric warfare is to ignore the grunts and just damage the equipment. 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 01:30 | 1364123 Monedas
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In Viet Nam we were like "beaters" on an Indian tiger hunt ! We were sent into the bush to see what game we could stir up ! All in all, I treasure the experience and I'm sure it had everything to do with turning me into a "cover your ass" Hoarder about town ! Did you know the Mexican army is as big as the US Army as far as boots on the ground ! About 750,000 soldiers each ! They are everywhere.....like a National police force ! They have nice equipment too ! Mercedes Benz ? Monedas 2011

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:46 | 1364011 Dapper Dan
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I'm a gulch! 

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:09 | 1363885 TruthInSunshine
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The Beast is Hungry.

In 1900, American Government consumed less than 6% of all Americans' incomes (in any manner, whether income tax, sales/consumption tax, property tax) to fund its (balanced) budgets.

 

Tax Freedom Day
Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:24 | 1363984 bigdumbnugly
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so, that should make tax freedom day for 2011 about....August 13, 2012?

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:10 | 1363887 Richard Chesler
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Just in time for more hope n' change.

USA!  USA!

 

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:11 | 1363892 NewThor
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I'm the King of America.

The best laid plans of mice and reptilian humanoids.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:08 | 1363893 Long-John-Silver
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This 50 state nation has become too big to survive. The only thing holding this Frankenstein monster together is it's rapidly devaluing Dollars.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 07:41 | 1364317 docj
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I suppose it's yet to be determined if the USA is TBTF.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:11 | 1363899 4horse
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Astonishing. criminality, nevermind anything like regulatory capture, can equal the likes of this, perversity:

http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blogs/burzynski-the-movie-cancer-is

.

 

 

unfortunately, miserably, have only just become aware of this, and, expiry, must be viewed within the next 24hrs

please re-distribute. everywhere

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:25 | 1363922 Threeggg
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I watched it !!!!

What a fucking CRIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:39 | 1363931 Illya Kuryakin
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antineoplastons bitches

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:32 | 1363999 cosmictrainwreck
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Well I'm not fan of FDA - Big Pharma whores - but geez, if it's that fuckin' wonderful, there should be zillions of testimonials and proven cures by now (10-15 years later). PS.... what a dick-head; all he had to do was take it Europe and build a fundation of successful treatments, and go from there. But - just between you & me - he had to have FDA so he could bill the insurances. Geez, you guys just get off the turnip truck, or what?

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:38 | 1364007 cosmictrainwreck
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 dup..... fuckin' internet

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 01:32 | 1364128 Advoc8tr
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Thanks for the link. Outrageous really ... the human suffering caused by the financial shenanigans is at least remotely detached, but here the government knowingly and deliberately sentences the participants of their clinical trial to death in order to purposely discredit a cure they know actually works for monetary gain ....... and all we hear are crickets again ...........outrage on suitable scale still fails to materialize.

I was unaware of his particular plight. Bought a box set of his DVD to give out and try and help his cause. 

There are so many others ... the root is the patent system and the big money involved.  The new energy  area suffers the most. Both Defense and Big Oil busy keeping anything that shows promise buried.

I agree with Celente that one of these discoveries busting out of the box is what will provide a foundation to build a recovery on. 

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:14 | 1363903 zaknick
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Amerikkka!

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:19 | 1363905 zaknick
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Amerikkka!

The banksters are now in full eliminate useless eaters mode!

The KKK/Joooo bankster government!

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:11 | 1363971 Spastica Rex
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KKK/Joooo/Nazi/Islamo-fascist/socialist bankster government

FTFY

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:27 | 1363926 sensei
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I have been talking about this with my wife for years.  I don't think she really understood until we recently spent a few weeks in Southern Europe.  We went through customs several times in Spain, Italy and France.  It was a bother, but never really a big deal and we were always treated politely.

Then we returned to the US through Miami.  Talk about jarring.  Compared to Europe it felt like we were in a Gestapo checkpoint.  Naked body scanners, pat downs, metal detectors, big black guys in uniforms barking orders at us, constant ominous warnings over the intercom system, guards everywhere.  It was hard to accept that we were returning to "our" country. 

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 22:44 | 1363935 JW n FL
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Transitory Kicking the Can Down the Road! BITCHEZ!!

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:01 | 1363946 JustACitizen
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I don't think that most people have a real grip on the whole "greed" factor. Every weapon system that we "choose" to purchase is an annuity for many, many publicly held corporations. Medical items? Same thing. Prescriptions? Same thing. Organic growth is out - financial excess is in.

I can remember a time when a Utility/Insurance/Bank stock was a good investment - not spectacular - but a solid investment. Dividends plus some price appreciation getting a fair yield - and the people who ran them were about the same - boring but reliable. Nowadays  - everyone thinks they are entitled to as much as Bill Gates with no personal effort involved.

You can blame DWTS or the internet or what have you - but the rot started at the top.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:55 | 1364186 Monedas
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The M15, as we called it in Nam, was the "Space Shuttle" of assault rifles ! An over engineered, over priced toy that never did what it was supposed to and killed too many (of our own people....jamming and confidence issues) people ! The government that brought us this needs to be downsized ! Starting with Idi-O-Bama ! Monedas 2011

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:01 | 1363953 Carl Spackler
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Democrat party... the cancer that engulfed a once productive society.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 09:47 | 1364587 Solemn Simulacrum
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You don't get it.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:05 | 1363959 Yen Cross
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  A little FUN.   Where in the HECK is ( Donald Trumph) when you need him?

 

        I could use a good BLOW HARD, right now!

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:07 | 1363961 JustACitizen
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You really should consider getting past the D's vs. R's thing. They are two sides of the same coin and the only difference - if you can call it that - is whose cronies get 5-10% more of the American Citizen's ass.

Some clever fellas out there pay off which ever party is likely to come into power - i.e. hedge fund and banker support for Barack Obama... I mean come on now...really?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 08:59 | 1364465 Monedas
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Yeah, one side of a coin is a Founding Father ready to defend the constitution ! On another side you are "flipped" the National Socialist bird ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad World Tour

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:10 | 1363967 Forgiven
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Divide and conquer is their modus operandi.  Steady fellas, wait until you see the whites of their beady, bankster eyes.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 05:18 | 1364227 Incubus
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they'll just toss a bone here and there and get the recipients to cull the rest of the "resistance."

I don't place much faith in the integrity of men.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:16 | 1363969 Caviar Emptor
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Missing some key points: It costs money to run an empire that stretches across the globe. Lots of hidden expenses too. Cutting government won't necessarily result in prosperity. Ask any of the ex-empires in Europe or Russia. 

A mature, post-industrial, post-capitalist economy inevitably drifts toward central planning or else simply collapses into competing units. The go-getter days have long passed into memory. There's not much to go and get that's not already spoken for. There's also big centrally planned economies to compete with. 

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:46 | 1364017 cosmictrainwreck
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Understood. Partially agree. The beef, though, is the sheer incompetence of "planners" and the bloated, ponderous, sluggish, inflexible, un-yielding & unmanageble bureacracy. Other than that (those) - it's all good..... 

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:58 | 1364037 Caviar Emptor
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And I agree with you too, only I'm trying to avoid the labels "good" and "bad". Not saying that central planning is in any way good but a progression that's inevitable to maintain a large economy with global reach and a high standard of living

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:17 | 1364066 cosmictrainwreck
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Got it. I was just bein' smart-ass with the "it's all good". Laid-back hipsters of years back said that about everything, implying their own wise open-mindedness. lulz

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:11 | 1363973 uOptOut
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simple answer: the american empire didn't exist 100 years ago. the progressive era we have been living in since then has destroyed america

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:15 | 1363976 Caviar Emptor
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How can you say "destroyed" when the US is the uncontested superpower of the globe? And still the overall wealthiest society. 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 00:18 | 1364067 Founders Keeper
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[How can you say "destroyed" when the US is...]---Caviar Emptor

If I may, uOptOut.

"Destroyed" individual liberties and the limitations built into the US Constitution that protected said liberties.

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 06:16 | 1364253 Sathington Willougby
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debt != wealth

and

if you get your bread at the point of a gun you have an unstable eqilibrium, expect backlash

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 06:46 | 1364262 snowball777
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if you get your bread at the point of a gun

...you better have enough bullets for the whole wheat season.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:12 | 1363974 proLiberty
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The Pretence of Knowledge by Friedrich A. Hayek
(Hayek's Nobel acceptence speech)
http://mises.org/daily/3229/The-Pretence-of-Knowledge

Socialist Calculation by Friedrich A. Hayek
http://mises.org/daily/4590/Socialist-Calculation

Why a Socialist Economy is "Impossible" by Joseph T. Salerno
http://mises.org/econcalc/POST.asp

Economic Calculation In The Socialist Commonwealth
By Ludwig von Mises
http://mises.org/pdf/econcalc.pdf

 

 

The Moral Imperative of the Market by Friedrich A. Hayek
http://mises.org/daily/5193/The-Moral-Imperative-of-the-Market

From The Moral Imperative of the Market:
"...I gradually found that the basic function of economics was to explain the process of how human activity adapted itself to data about which it had no information. Thus the whole economic order rested on the fact that by using prices as a guide, or as signals, we were led to serve the demands and enlist the powers and capacities of people of whom we knew nothing. It was because we had relied on a system which we had never understood and which we had never designed that we had been able to produce the wealth to sustain an enormous increase in the world's population, and to begin to realize our new ambitions of distributing this wealth more justly. Basically, the insight that prices were signals bringing about the unforeseen coordination of the efforts of thousands of individuals was in a sense the modern cybernetics theory, and it became the leading idea behind my work.

It forced me inevitably to investigate the relationship between current political beliefs and the preservation of the system on which the wealth of which we are so inordinately proud depends. Although Adam Smith, like Marshall 150 years later, had basically grasped the point that the success of our economic system was the outcome of an undesigned process coordinating the activities of a myriad of individuals, he never fully convinced the leaders of public opinion of this truth...."

 

"...At this critical juncture for the kind of civilization that we have built up, the most important contribution an economist can make is to insist that we can fulfill our responsibility to sustain our existing population only by continuing to rely on the market system, which brought this enlarged population into existence in the first place."

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 04:59 | 1364223 oldmanagain
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Too bad Hayek didn't meet any derivative makers. His fairy tale is a simplistic song of a begone era.  The guiding hand of the market place is now a controlled hammer.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:17 | 1363979 AgShaman
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Hahaha....

"Manifest Density"

....don't fight it...we is...I mean we are what....ugh....Is there "DEBT" in my slice of da pie?

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 23:19 | 1363981 Caviar Emptor
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Ironic: Americans pining for the good old days when America was a second-rate power with a much lower standard of living. 

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