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For A Grand Total Of...
~$297.7356.7 million in giant sucking sounds from the DIF.
Bank DIF Loss Assets Loss Ratio
PR-192-2009 First Dupage Bank $59.0 $279.0 21.15%
PR-191-2009 Riverview Community Bank $20.0 $108.0 18.52%
PR-190-2009 Bank of Elmwood $101.1 $327.4 30.88%
PR-189-2009 Flagship National Bank $59.0 $190.0 31.05%
PR-188-2009 Hillcrest Bank $45.0 $83.0 54.22%
PR-187-2009 American United Bank $44.0 $111.0 39.64%
PR-186-2009 Partners Bank $28.6 $65.5 43.66%
Ouch $356.7 $1,163.9 30.65%
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DAMMIT !!!
The over/under was $300M in my office pool, and I took the over.
You win, you win, you win. Updated to $356.7 million at 9:15 PM Eastern 10-23-2009.
how to be all over that cd! nice.....
boy did you go over
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/10/problem-bank-list-unofficial-oct-23.html
BOO-YAH!
Guess who's going to donate their winnings towards a child support payment for the next 18 years tonight !!!
Unscarred, OUT!
Haha, comment of the week!
with Tammany macher Jimmy Hines in the Drake Hotel in Chicago when our party chose Franklin D. Roosevelt as its standard-bearer during the Glorious Revolution of 1932 — all this has at last come to Technicolor fruition. (Sentencing Hines in 1939 for selling protection for Dutch Schulz’s numbers racket, the judge observed: “Instead of using his political power and influence for the well-being of the city and for the promotion of law and order and good government, he used his position for the promotion of the interests of this crowd of criminals.” Well — duh!) With the Obama Ascendancy, we are at last out and proud.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjI5ZTZjNTdiYmZiOTllOTU5YmY5ZTFkOWR...
The sad part is that you actually believe that only one party is the problem.
Incorrect. I'm a believer in the principles- the Constitution. I am a conservative.
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And in the latest business news: today Exxon-Mobil annouced they were laying off 25 congressmen. Their spokesperson claimed a minor restructuring was due and that unemployment is simply a "lagging indicator."
because the MSM like to compare this to the S&L crisis and the 1000 something failures; what's the dollar comparison I wonder e.g. was IndyMac equal to 150 S&Ls?
No wonder we had 3:42 minutes of Shelia "Bobble Head Doll" Bair on video calming the natives before we experienced seven, count them, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven bank failures on Bank Failure Friday, October 23, 2009.
Is that it? Are we all done? It's after 9 PM Eastern in the USA. Are the fireworks over? Can I put the kids to bed and pour a scotch on the rocks?
Well done Shelia. You think GS and select friends in the equity markets were flashed this before everyone else today?
Just askin'
Cog Dis - You are DEAD ON with THAT one!
answered my own question (at least the first half)
IndyMac $32b of assets
The combined closings by both agencies (FDIC and RTC) - 1,043 institutions holding $519 billion
(PDF warning)
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/analytical/banking/2000dec/brv13n2_2.pdf
Amazing how outdated that "a billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money" quote is these days. And how fast it happened.
And that's why they are closing the smaller banks. If they close the bigger one it will cost them even more. FDIC is in red, deep red.
I remember that Sen. Everett McKinley Dirksen
54 percent loss!?Yikes!I thought they closed them before it got that high.
That would assume that we ran things based on the rule of law and that someone in charge feared prosecution.
denninger just posted another piece on this tonite in re "prompt corrective action"
we are losing the rule of law and that is downright scary
it was lost it a long long time ago '63.....
doubt this comment gets past the censors..
new earworm for you.
think...Puff the Magic Dragon
Bucky, the lonely dollar
drowned in the sea
he was mutilated and massacred
by ben ber nan an key
Just read Denninger. Mish is on it too, giving Denninger all kinds of props.
BTW your tune needs more air play, not less. Not an earworm. Needs desperately to be a hit.
Yes...of course you are correct.I blame irrational hope in a system of enforcement that is totally captured.We are so very far from the rule of law now, that it reminds me of the fall of the roman empire.In our case, the hoards are destroying us from within.You think someone would notice and take action...but that is only my delusional hope talking.
with that kind of thinking nothing will happen....
if the people want change they will have to rise
up in anger....sitting on your hands moaning
will contiue the takeover...
You are correct that the people will have to rise up.
There is nothing wrong about my thinking.....It really is delusional to believe the system will work, or that there are people looking out for our best interests,or that the central bankers will stop being uber criminals.
Excuse me, but that's "hordes" -- not "hoards" -- fer chrissakes, next you'll be getting Constant Proportion Deb Obligations (CPDO) mixed up with interest-amortized swaps!
oops.That's what happens when I post half asleep!
The law is like oxygen, the higher you go, the less you encounter..
I'm sure its a rounding error to Ben/Tim/Lloyd/JD. et al.
It's a billion including the loss-shares. You gotta count them because I haven't seen a failure yet that has not taken advantage of those deals. They are riskless to the acquiring bank and they use them all the time. Write down the loan portfolios, come back to the FDCI get paid then mark them back up later, a sweet deal at the end of the day for the industry. WFC used some $4.5B last quarter in this scheme. So, the $45B they are going to raise, means nothing.
actually in trying to do the S&L comparison found this for the current crisis
which inidates a grand totalof 131 Banks, Thrifts and Savings Banks that have failed since 2008 at an estimated cost for the FDIC of a little less than $50b++ on assets of about $500 billion
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/info-Failed_Banks-sort.html
compared to $500 b in the S&L crisis ($800b inflation adjusted) at an estimated cost of $153b ($253b inflation adjusted)
If I cover my eyes, nothing can get me.
If I cover my eyes, nothing can get me.
If I cover my eyes, nothing can get me...
+100 lol
Sheila Blair is hypnotically, metronomicly soothing. I can imagine her leading a meditation, saying, "Tonight, we're going to open the bank door -- the money chakra...And you open the bank door and you step inside. We're with our money. Now, imaging your debt as a white ball of healing light. That's right, the debt itself is a ball of healing light.
It moves over your body, healing you. Keep this going and step forward, through the back door of the bank. Where does it lead? To your insurance. Step forward into your insurance."
where is pat collins the hip hypnotist when
you need her?
oh god, now i've got an image of sheila in downward-facing dog. make it stop.
Here you go:
http://thechive.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/a-hot-sexy-yoga-poses-0.jpg
and apparently this is Sheila Bair too:
http://www.physiquecompetitor.com/Museum/history/ANPPC/SheilaBair.jpg
Meatcakes on sale, $4 a pound according to the ad.
One of these should help, you can thank me later.
Such a lovely pic of Bair, what a bear. I do not think that Bair is the kind of person that should take her clothes off. Bair looks much better with her clothes on - not bare.
I'll take what's behind curtain number one, Monty.
+1
That's a good description, Rama V, and I'll bet shet learned it when she worked for Bob Dole.
Ole Bob Dole says.....
Ole Bob Dole says.....
Ole Bob Dole says..... (sounds familiar?)
Marla...great job on the summary showing the loss ratios...thank you.
i'm getting conditioned to not like Fridays.
A great question to ask Ms. Bair is how much the FDIC has lost by its failure to close banks BEFORE they lose 30%- 50% of their deposits? How much has the FDIC's footdragging cost? If .01 of that cost is put on the taxpayers- heads better roll at the FDIC for its incompetence, and its breach of fiduciary responsibility.
Not one flipping penny better get pulled out of taxpayers pockets after all the help the banks have already received. It's their mess- let them lay in their shit.
denninger has been writing about this for quite some time.
Thanks - most recently yesterday commenting on Partners from his/my home state: http://market-ticker.org/archives/1541-More-FDIC-Malfeasance-43%25-Loss....
Underachievers it seems at a paltry 43%
So, while I am at it let me copy one of Karl's statements that begs explanation, investigation, indictment, prosecution, and...
"Prompt Corrective Action - a LAW, not a suggestion - is supposed to prevent this outcome. It is being wantonly and willfully ignored by the OTS, OCC, The FDIC and CONGRESS."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=azZrwv0uRzpo
I still don't get it. With the AIG gone, who was the contra-party? If only those smaller suckers could hedge like that. Let me re-phrase it, if only they could pretend to...
AIG wasn't the only player in that game...by a long shot...they were the primary player owing payouts on those swaps to Goldman, JPMorgan and Deutsche Bank, though.
Possibly Goldman Sachs' two speculator companies they purchased with those TARP funds (one in Europe, the other in Japan), but more than likely a subsidiary of JPMorgan or Morgan Stanley, along with Blackstone and Citidel on the sly.
Seven is my lucky number. Good to see we're making some progress after Sheila's dismal performance the last two weeks.
for what it's worth, we are on track to eclipse the 120 bank closures in 1992
2010 will be worse....
$1.2 Billion in assets is chump change. What until some large Southern banks like Synovus and TSFG bite the dust
synovus is a piece of crap.
A friend of mine (3 months ago) bid on an FDIC loan pool....offered at $.10 on the dollar...100M for the pool. 80% backed by FDIC only 10% actual equity had to be ponied up, the other 10 could be borrowed....they did the due diligence and walked on the deal.
Fun With Anagrams
First DuPage Bank = Bad Farting Pukes
Riverview Community Bank = Riverbank Mice Vow Mutiny
Bank of Elmwood = Make Blond Woof
Flagship National Bank = Anal Afghan Knob Pistil
Hillcrest Bank Florida = Brain Shortfall Licked
Partners Bank = Sent Prank Bra
American United Bank = A Mania: Debunk Cretin
http://wordsmith.org/anagram/
MG
lol, those are clever.
Could Sheila Bair and Alex Jones be one and the same? Ummm,Ummm,Ummm...Sheila Alex Bair Jones....
only $350 million? Sheesh, that's only 7.5% of Goldman's bonus for 2009, that's nothing.
Don't leave false illusions behind
Don't Cry cause I ain't changing my mind
So find another fool like before 'cause I ain't gonna live anymore
Believing some of the lies while all of the signs are deceiving
I am the eye in the sky, looking at you, I can read your mind
I am the maker of rules, dealing with fools, I can cheat you blind
Y'know, what a lot of you are missing is that these are very much in the community banks, friends helping friends a while back. Have fun laughing off the amateurish lending practices and there's no doubt, that may well be the final factor in each, but you might just take a moment to consider that what you are watching is either a bit of small town social fabric being obliterated, or local "David vs Goliath" stories meeting statistical probabilities.
Either way, we're losing something
Understood but you mustn't ever take your eye off what's important.
Isn't this what counts? -> http://dealbreaker.com/2009/08/19/green%20shoots.jpg
should we stop paying taxes?
in a perverted sort of way it could actually help us out here...
usually taxes curb inflation because they reduce federal debt, and federal debt = money. If we stop paying them and let the federal debt skyrocket freely, like it certainly wants to do now, then were doing our country a service by promoting inflation.
we'd be helping our good chairman to debase our currency...
but this is all from the point of view of a psychopathic maniac who thinks debasing our currency is the solution to all this, the kind of psychopathic maniac I most certainly am not!
Ahhh. To see 1 million taxpayers marching on Washington to burn their 1040's on April 15th... They'd probably be arrested though- only flag burning allowed...
Well, in a matter of speaking, people have curbed their tax payments. Personal tax revenue is down by 21% (due to continuing and rising unemployment) while corporate is down by 58% (that's 58% of that pathetic 7% of the tax base they make up since the do all that profit laundering at all those Offshore Finance Centers, conveniently monitored by Financial Intelligence Units by way of the IMF - hmmm??).
54.22% loss ratio. I heard of the walking dead, but this thing could not be reanimated with a complete transfusion. What exactly was the strategy at a 40% loss ratio??? Extend and pretend.
Coming to a theater near you, a double feature:
BANKS GONE WILD: Redefining Insolvency.
and
BANK-ENSTEIN WITHOUT BATTERIES. Dead on Arrival.
It's not so much an issue of loss ratio, whether it be 40% or 50%, as to why they didn't act sooner. I think the issue was more about the fact that Sheila needed a couple of weeks to rehearse for the video and you know, a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do.
also, it took her a while to decide on just the right haircut.
Absolutely true! That bitch wants very badly to be on as many $1000/plate speaking tours as possible.
ruh, roh.
both cnn and ap giving main stream coverage to the banks.
ap particularly harsh...paging Anita Dunn. Paging Robert Gibbs.
will Bair be making the Sunday a.m. talking head circuit?
There's a very good and candid AP story this morning at the top of Yahoo news stories on bank failures and the problems of the FDIC. I don't know how it managed to slip through the Green Shoots news filter.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Bank-failures-hit-106-for-apf-2725707666.html?x=0&sec=topStories&p
<It's a big number that only tells part of the story. The number of banks that have failed so far this year topped 100 on Friday -- hitting 106 by the end of the day -- the most in nearly two decades. But the trouble in the banking system from bad loans and the recession goes even deeper.
Dozens, perhaps hundreds, of other banks remain open even though they are as weak as many that have been shuttered. Regulators are seizing banks slowly and selectively -- partly to avoid inciting panic and partly because buyers for bad banks are hard to find.
Going slow buys time. An economic recovery could save some banks that would otherwise go under. But if the recovery is slow and smaller banks' finances get even worse, it could wind up costing even more.>
<The FDIC won't say how deep a hole its deposit insurance fund is in. It can tap a credit line from the Treasury of up to a half-trillion dollars to cover the gap.
The list of banks in trouble is getting longer. At the end of June, the FDIC had flagged 416 as being at risk of failure, up from 305 at the end of March and 252 at the beginning of the year.
Yet the pace of actual bank failures appears to be slowing. The FDIC seized 24 banks in July, 11 in September and 11 in October.>
<But finding buyers for wobbly banks has been tough.
FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair acknowledged as much in testimony this month before a Senate panel. The FDIC has been offering to share buyers' losses on the assets being transferred, she said.
"In the past several months investor interest has been low," she said in prepared testimony.>
Shove these failures right down the big banks throats- not the taxpayers. Who authroized that $500 billion line? Mame names. If it's used- we need a class action against the government for breach of fiduciuary responsibility. Taxpayer dollars at risk while we let bankers speculate with the equivalent of margin accounts, and then letting them slide when they are obviously insolvent. Who is the largest manufacturer of pitchforks? I want to buy their stock...
It's not so much an issue of loss ratio, whether it be 40% or 50%, as to why they didn't act sooner. I think the issue was more about the fact that Sheila needed a couple of weeks to rehearse for the video and you know, a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do.Ed Hardy UGG Boots links of london
Hmmm...this seems sort of logical, given that America doesn't actually have an economy, but instead relies on financialization and "financial engineering" to create that creamy visual of profitability.
At some point this will become obvious to everyone, not simply those paying attention....
The worst is yet to come re failures. The regulators are ordering extra "Depends".
you need to keep in mind the FDIC troubled institution list is a crock, Indy Mac wasn't even on the list when it went belly up. Of course I am sure this is all just Green Shoots as its less competition for the big boys each week another 5 or so banks go under.
From Yahoo story: "The FDIC's first priority, spokesman Andrew Gray said, is to maintain public confidence in the banking system."
So the #1 priority of the FDIC is not to be fiscally prudent, but to manage public psychology? Do people know what the implication of this is? They are more concerned with a run on the banks than stopping the bleeding of the zombies. It isn't about shutting bad banks any more- it's about perpetuating a MYTH that things aren't as bad as REALITY. We're being LIED to, people.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Bank-failures-hit-106-for-apf-2725707666.h...
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/files/2009/10/mike10152009.jpg
Hey, I live in DuPage Co. Fourth highest per capita income in the country. Excuse me, I have to go to my bank. Now, where are those withdrawal slips?
Here's a nice obscure article that highlights the scope of the problem on several levels:
"Separately, a subcommittee of UCBH's board completed an investigation regarding the recognition of impairment losses on its nonperforming loans and other real estate owned (OREO) assets. The subcommittee's report identified problems resulting both from weaknesses in the bank's internal controls and from deliberate and improper actions and omissions of certain unidentified bank officers. The report concluded that those problems were driven by an apparent desire to downplay deteriorating financial conditions by delaying or abating risk rating downgrades and minimizing the bank's overall loan loss allowance."
http://www.costar.com/News/Article.aspx?id=58ECB7C4C0394DF6843D1ABFAD55F...
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