Greece Downgraded From BB- To B As S&P Believes More Than 50% Principal Debt Reduction Would Be Required

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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:23 | 1254961 ZeroPower
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Yawn. EURUSD bit of movement but nothing crazy yet.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:25 | 1254967 The Axe
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Greeks fucking German to love

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:26 | 1254978 Re-Discovery
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The German re-fuck could be epic.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:54 | 1255062 Silverstar
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Don`t wake the gigant...

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 09:08 | 1255105 Rynak
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Hey, if it were me, i would fully approve the greeks fucking the country over in which i do live... perhaps not a total default, but just enough so that they can manage it.... UNDER THE CONDITION THAT THEY LEAVE THE EMU, DAMMIT!

Why? Simple:

Just make this insanity stop, please.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:31 | 1254987 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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My apathy and attention to this never ending dog and pony show just got upgraded from Zzzz to Zzzzz+.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:32 | 1254988 cossack55
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Wow. Thats high. zzzzz.......

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:33 | 1254990 Archimedes
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Ha! That was funny!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:45 | 1255025 wandstrasse
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yehhs-yawn this is buhhhh-yaawn-buhhhlish-yaaawn-zzzzzzzz

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:35 | 1254989 AldoHux_IV
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I thought credit ratings agencies were relics of the financial crisis-- day late and a dollar short (pardon the pun).

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:36 | 1254997 johngaltfla
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But it's not big deal. An isolated incident. Of course once the EUR hits 1.18 this will be a date known as a marker.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:36 | 1254998 ivars
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Silver on its way to 30 after a short blip when greed temporarily equated selling  panic.


Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:43 | 1255010 pazmaker
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Silver on its way to 30 after a short blip when greed temporarily equated selling  panic.


...and that has WHAT?? to do with Greece?




Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:57 | 1255074 mcmoo
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That sapos link is from a post in MARCH? Why is that relevant? 

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 09:17 | 1255133 Rynak
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More importantly, his numbers are from.... i have no fucking clue what they are from. But who cares? He's part of the troll brigade anyways.

Here's the actual quick market update:

- CRB still sinking, but beginning to stabilize

- silver spot stabilized and rising quickly

- gold spot stabilized and rising quickly

- US dollar index rise stopped, now flat.

Or in short: They kicked the can..... about two weeks far.


Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:41 | 1255011 hugovanderbubble
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Spain will sell Balearic Islands to pay Debt to German Institutions (its a binary option ...or default or sell Land)

The same will be done by Greece:..sell Islands to Rich German Entrepreneurs and obtain forgiven debt schemes

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:57 | 1255064 TexDenim
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Yes! Carlos Slim will buy Balearic Islands and form a new country, exempt from Mexican taxes. He won't have to learn a new language, because they already speak Spanish there. A great solution for Spain.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:43 | 1255012 AldoHux_IV
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It's a race to the bottom in terms of fiat-- no wonder the Crimex needed to bang silver and invariably gold because it would definitely have hit trip digits by now in an unmanipulated market.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:44 | 1255016 TexDenim
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ES did a big yawn. Who cares about Greece? It's got an economy about the size of a small American city.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:48 | 1255028 hugovanderbubble
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I promise u TEXDENIM, that the problem is not just Greece, is the banking credit dilutive effect specially in Credit Agricole with more than 35.000 Greece loans and Bonds.


and second and most important.,,,SPAIN IS THE REAL MAZE for the ECB members(IMF too)...and if Spain crashes of course US will suffer too.

=Contagious effect.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:53 | 1255057 TexDenim
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That's true. It's the whole European mess. The Euro is really just the neo-DM. I suppose the Germans are thinking up some sort of solution. They are really not better off with Spain, Greece and Portugal with their own currencies, which they can then downgrade to screw German exporters.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 09:17 | 1255141 wandstrasse
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...German exporters.


so you think the real economy is involved???

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:24 | 1255574 benburnyanki
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Nine Vand Str. Das Is Verbotten !!! Do not give away that Merkel just happened to live near the HQ of the Stasi to these sheep matey.

Hell if Meximericans find out they importing from the hidden I.G.Farben and Ford/Opel Panzer factories of big H they would shoot coke a cola out the nozes!

Vee hav a gute Mafia Family Biz running Deutche Exports GmBh so no give it away!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:42 | 1255017 kaiten
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Greece still has some rating? Funny.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 09:32 | 1255181 Imminent Crucible
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What's really funny is that Standards Are Poor gives Greek bonds a B rating while projecting a haircut of greater than 50%. CCC- is more like it, and ultimate recovery less than 30%.

But we have to pluck the chickens in stages, or the squawking will wake Mr. Molotov.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:42 | 1255018 hugovanderbubble
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Hungary Remember...

Fiat Currencies = DEAD ZOMBIES

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 08:51 | 1255045 mayhem_korner
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Wasn't it Greece who pioneered the representative republic structure of government? 

How many years ahead of us are they...

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 09:40 | 1255196 Hephasteus
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They all had the same bond prices and all co-signed each others loans. Now they all have different credit ratings and bond prices. There is no Euro any more and there is no EU. All the advantages to being in euro are gone now it's just all those stuffy stifling repressive rules.

Good thing they filled the place with out of fucking nowhere unelected officials that don't represent the interests of anyone other than the banks that run the places.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:38 | 1255650 benburnyanki
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they all fookin lawyer. Did you expect them to actually produce a valuable and saleable commodity. Common Matey, Lawyers are not worth 2 wooden nickles = 1 Greek Drachma

I, for example, crank out 5000 french fries for every dollar of pay I get! Do not try that at home BTW.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 10:26 | 1255337 bugs_
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5 cents on the drachma

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:22 | 1255848 nauagos020
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hello i am Greek.

I am a real estate developer (with no loan obligation) and even now in the so called greek-crisis i am building 5 apartment buildings, 1 office building and 2 holiday-residence complexes.

PLEASE listen carefully what i have to say about Greece.

Greece is one of the poorest countries but the Greeks (as an average) are very wealthy.

I am not talking about wealth being happy, healthy and so on.

Greeks (as an average) own more real estate that any other,

They do not rely on lending as much as other eauropeans or americans

They have gold (especially english gold pounds) that no average european or american has

I am not saying they are good people or that they have a lot of exports i am just saying they are wealthy.

However the wealth they have you cannot find it anywhere because it is no declared anywhere.

My friend that works for 850 euros per month has 4 acres of land outside the city near the sea, 24 gold coins (worth 6000 euros) he got as a gift from his family on the day he was born 25 years ago, and his own apartment he bought with no loan for 230000 euros (i am not talking about what his family owns but what he owns). How can this happen? he gets his 850 euros, he has a second job (as a plumber-not declared) that gets him another 850 euros (where he pays no taxes-poor Greece), he has a farm in the 4 acres that gets him minimum 1000 euros (from selling produce) also not declared anywhere (so he pays no taxes-poor Greece) and some times (3 or 4 times per year) he earns another 2000 to 2500 euros doing part time jobs  (like waiting or plumbing in hotels in summer-not declared and tax-free ofcourse). So he gets 10200 from his day job thatbecause in Greece until 12000 income you pay no tax he is tax free and 25000 euros from the rest that are tax free. so with a clean income of 35000 spending less that 9000 per year (no rent or mortgage) say 10000 with his vacations (health insurance and so on have been discounted from his 1050 euros pay giving him 850 euros) he gets 25000 euros in his bank each year.

That is why greek people are rich but Greece as a country is poor. The example i gave you can happen in smaller numbers (however not vry often) but at the most of time can be really magnified in case we talk about doctors, lawyers and so on that make  with the same method (these are real - calculated numbers) 200000 euros at least but they declare 12000 geting away tax free.

sure there are poor people and rich people like any country, sure there are people loosing their homes to the banks like every country.

But as an average believe me

Greeks are wealthy.

So whether Greece leaves Eurozone or not, whether drachma comes back it doesnt really matter.

All that matters is that the Banksters (Rothchilds and the gang -imf fed central bank of Greece...all properties of the same families...Rothchilds and the gang) come and get Greece for a  fraction of what it really costs. It is happening and it will continue to happen and the Greeks will beg for it to happen so that they continue to have theur 25000 at their bank accounts each year because they do not care what happens to the railway stations, the ports, the energy/water companies. They may even give them free like we did with Meganisi Island that the Rothcilds bought to build homes for the super rich just a cople of months ago(they bought land with value 60 mil euros for 6 mil euros).

To sum up...

do not worry about the Greeks just worry about Greece (but why should you-Greeks don't) and wahtever you do always remember it does not matter what you feel or what you do you are not in control no one except a few, very very few people are and what they want will happen and you DO NOT  know what will hapen NOONE does. You just guess.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 16:32 | 1256774 lolmao500
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Funny how the US is as in bad shape as Greece but isn't downgraded.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 16:40 | 1256812 Quantum Nucleonics
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Wow, S&P might actually be out in front of the news here... well, sort of.  They are saying the haircut will be 50%-ish, but the bonds are trading at 60-ish.  So they are saying the price needs to drop by 20%-ish. (On the other hand, a "B" rating seems a little high for a likely default with a 50% haircut, why don't they grow a pair and drop them to "C" or "CC"?)

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