Greece Enters Twilight Zone As It Announces 90% Banker Bonus Tax Plans, Expectations For Sub 3% Deficit By 2013

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Mon, 12/14/2009 - 14:52 | 163452 Internet Tough Guy
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Set unrealistic budgetary goals. Check.

Scapegoat the bankers. Check.

Mission accomplished. Go to commercial.


Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:36 | 163506 Anonymous
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It's called "kicking the can down the road". The privatization plan will satisfy the foreign creditors for now, but will ultimately screw the Greek public and the country. Just look at any Latin American country for an example.
Greece will be broke again in a decade, and when that happens nothing will save them.

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 17:06 | 163652 Doc
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A decade? Me thinks we found an optimist on ZH.

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 14:53 | 163453 Brother Revegen...
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I'd also add 90% tax for dividends. Yes!

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:01 | 163460 Internet Tough Guy
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How about a 90% tax on governmental stupidity? That would balance the budget in about 5 minutes.

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:24 | 163498 Anonymous
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"Change you can pee on"

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:28 | 163501 Brother Revegen...
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The idea is good. Don't see any easy way to implement it. Mmm?

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 18:16 | 163749 Anonymous
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Wed, 12/01/2010 - 01:40 | 767101 Karston1234
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Just continue writing this kind of post. I will be your loyal reader. Thanks again.
education degree | fire science degree | law degree

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 14:53 | 163455 Hondo
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They've gone stupid.  I like to see the impossible details of these sound bites.  Anyone who could possible believe this nonsense and invest in any of this crap as a fiduciary and loses money should be sued to oblivion.

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:15 | 163561 Anonymous
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Anybody holding Greek debt after this had better hope Germany is feeling generous.

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:45 | 163612 Anonymous
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Beware of Greeks bearing Gilts

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 01:40 | 767103 Karston1234
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Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work..
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Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:03 | 163456 SimpleSimon
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Greeced up bankers -- hope they know to speak greek....

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:09 | 163471 youngandhealthy
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Good job Greece....thats the more money for nothing and the chicks for free...

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:15 | 163483 Racer
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Watch for the dollar to soar as world banksters transfer themselves to the US where they have guaranteed unlimited backstops and minimal taxation

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:23 | 163494 Anonymous
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Yes! Time to pound hyg to new highs!

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:23 | 163495 CreditcalMass
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"Greek PM says will privatise companies not essential to the state, will proceed with state asset sales"

I want to believe this isn't true... :sigh:

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:11 | 163557 Anonymous
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Ah, so he'll sell lots of civil servants, what a good idea. Although can they really be considred an asset, and do they have any value?

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:14 | 163560 Anonymous
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Ah, so he'll sell lots of civil servants, what a good idea. Although can they really be considered an asset, and do they have any value?

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:23 | 163572 carbonmutant
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Of course privatization requires buyers.

What's a Greek company that the government doesn't want really worth?

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:38 | 163597 Handle with care
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State companies are often monopolies or quasi monopolies.

In addition they have generally been run for decades with a different mindset than private companies in that infrastructure was built to last generations rather then to make it only to the next bonus period.

So its easy for the private buyers. Price it based on its current low profitability, as soon as you take over slash cap ex spending and let the infrastructure run down. Point to run down infrastructure as a reason to raise fees (presuming there's a regulator to limit their exploitation of their monopoly position.)

Award yourself enormous bonuses and issue huge dividends.

When services start crumbling ask for government subsidies and raised fees to users.

They've done this over and over again and we see the water, electric, sewerage, rail, bus services, mail and many other services deteriorate as they suck out the money as private compensation and dividends that otherwise would have gone back in to the service.

I'm no socialist, but the problem with all these privatisations is that they've never introduced the competition that prevents it and instead have put in a regulator who is captured in no time, and often the service is a natural monopoly for which no real competition can be put in anyway. (Unless you think the private sector is going to rush to put in an alternative water and sewerage pipe to your house)

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 17:14 | 163621 carbonmutant
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I like the first part of the plan (owning foreign monopolies and government subsidies). It's the second part; raising prices in a market that can't afford current prices and getting subsidies from a bankrupt government that seems a bit dodgy...

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:24 | 163496 GoldSilverDoc
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So.... the banksters will just forgo the bonuses.  And raise their 'salaries' to match the previous bonus.  


Is "intelligent politician" an oxymoron?

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:43 | 163517 drbill
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More likely the two words are mutually exclusive in the same universe. If the two ever did combine it could be the end of life as we know it!

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:43 | 163518 Gilgamesh
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Why not just structure the tax similarly to others, where the bank co pays the tax (not the bankster receiving it).  That way shareholders take it; and nothing would change... heck, they could probably do a secondary stock issue just to pay the Banksters Bonus Tax, and have it happily oversubscribed.

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:37 | 163508 Anonymous
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Mon, 12/14/2009 - 19:24 | 163869 SWRichmond
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So you're suggesting they hold a bake sale and invite Europe?

It might work.

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 15:53 | 163534 Anonymous
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We'll see how Greek bonds do tomorrow, and Greek banks for
that matter. The banksters will simply announce payroll hikes for themselves. Whadda joke.

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:05 | 163550 Anonymous
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Greek stock market soon to hit new highs.

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:10 | 163556 Anonymous
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A kudos for Kitco (

I sold some glod to Kitco and delivered to their NYC (Inwood) collection location on Dec 1 (the prices were high approx 1200). Somone messed up and didnt inform that I had delivered. I kept following up with phone calls emails. Finally on Dec 9th I spoke to lady named Sileh who was extremely helpful, tracking down the delivery and keeping me updated as to what was happening.

By then the prices had dropped to 1130 (approx 5%). I thought would have to do a song and dance to get the Dec 1st prices. There was no fuss and transaction was completed at the Dec 1st prices.

So, a kudos and my recommendation of for your glod transactions.


Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:53 | 163627 DoChenRollingBearing
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I check every day re gold and other PM prices.  Nice to hear that they are trustworthy in doing business (even if there was a small glitch).

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:14 | 163559 carbonmutant
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"Salaried workers will not pay for this situation: we will not proceed with wage freezes or cuts. We did not come to power to tear down the social state," - Papandreou at Friday's EU summit


Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:41 | 163604 A Man without Q...
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"Greek PM says will privatise companies not essential to the state, will proceed with state asset sales"

Ok, so who wants to buy a bunch of loss-making enterprises crammed full of cronies earning Euro 100k pa plus fat benefits?  Probably worth adding that all the connected parties will receive bonuses, and the bankers will earn juicy fees for the sales.  Given what we know about Greek accounting habits, you need your head examined if you believe the books...



Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:53 | 163628 omi
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for some reason, I've read it as Green Peace.... I was confuzed for a bit there.

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 16:55 | 163631 Robert Oak
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Original blog post last night with much more detail as well, here:

5 minutes 'til Midnight


Mon, 12/14/2009 - 18:29 | 163778 Anonymous
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Greek Governments Since 1963

63-65 George Papandreou

65-67 Chaos

67-74 Military Dictatorship

74-80 Konstantinos Karamanlis

80-81 George Rallis

81-89 Andreas Papandreou (son)

89-90 Chaos, 3 failed elections

90-93 Mitsotakis

93-96 Andreas Papandreou (son)…died

96-04 Konstantinos Simitis

04-09 Konstantinos Karamanlis (nephew)

From Oct 09 George Papandreou (grandson)

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 20:04 | 163917 carbonmutant
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 What is this... like Chaos every ~20 years?

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 22:55 | 164094 Anonymous
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chaos + quasi-family government.

How did these gyro makers ever get into the EU?

Mon, 12/14/2009 - 21:03 | 163979 Leo Kolivakis
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Bwah! As long as Greeks have Mykonos, they'll inflate their debt problems away:


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Mon, 12/14/2009 - 23:01 | 164101 SWRichmond
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OK, I'll do it:

I'm fallin' down a spiral, destination unknown
A double cross messenger, all alone
Can't get no connection, can't get through, where are you

Well the night weighs heavy on his guilty mind
This far from the border line
And when the hitman comes
He knows damn well he has been cheated
And he says

Help, I'm stepping into the Twilight Zone
The place is a mad-house, feels like being cloned
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far


Tue, 12/15/2009 - 04:12 | 164287 Anonymous
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The prime minister kept on mentioning "Green Development", about 11 times at least in his speech. I smell Soros somewhere.

Tue, 12/15/2009 - 04:13 | 164289 Anonymous
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The prime minister kept on mentioning "Green Development", about 11 times at least in his speech. I smell Soros somewhere.

Tue, 12/15/2009 - 07:24 | 164317 Anonymous
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should have shot the bankers

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