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Greek Police Fire Teargas At Anti-Israel Protestors
Greece siding with Turkey - the end is nigh. Reuters reports: "Greek police fired teargas on Monday at demonstrators protesting outside the Israeli embassy in Athens over Israel's storming of a Gaza-bound aid flotilla and the killing of pro-Palestinian activists. "Dozens of protesters tried to break a police cordon, and police responded with teargas," said a Reuters witness. About 2,500 protesters rallied outside the embassy, police said, chanting "Hands off Gaza".
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OK, I'll say it:
"Release the Kraken!!!"
lol, good one rusty. Can I watch it in 3D?
What a fucking spineless cowardly bunch of racists these israelis are, living on stolen land provided by england and america. LOL!
And to you "
by Coldcallon Tue, 06/01/2010 - 04:47
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LOL thats hilarious. Nothing like a bit of jew hatred to bring the world together :-)
No wonder Israel has 200 nukes, cant blame them really"
Fucking israel has no nukes, israel is the storage ground for the nukes you refer to are nukes owned by none other than the filthy british monarchy & its sidekick america.
Call it the 10th Crusade. 1947-2011. The inbred Zionists are dellusional and it will not end well for them.
what's the poor queen got to do with it? LOL you are fucking delusional.
By the way, if you noticed my comment about the "jew hatred" had a smiley. Meaning??? Its a joke...but fuck me, it clearly wound some people up, did it not!?
Arabs are assaulted continuously by Zionists not only in occupied Palestine but also in US, where Zionists direct US policies both foreign and domestic using such tactics as kidnapping (extreme rendition) torture extortion. To Arab-Americans, why don't any of you hypothetically consider igniting Jew temples or delis here in US? Or arresting and detaining the spawn of famous or eminent Jews? Just a hypothetical consideration.
And which chapter of the John Birch Society do you belong to? That was their big thing: The International Zionist Conspiracy. You obviously keep good company.
Mitchman
Every conspiracy theory is based on a grain of truth.
The more conspiracies that come to light the fewer I found unbelievable.
Odd that many of you accept Obama as Kenyan, but disregard Zionists want to control the world.
Who doesn't want to control the world and destroy their enemies?
You have a right to your point of view. Your point of view consistently sucks. But I gotta give it to you, you are consistent in your suck-ta-tude.
As of this minute, your oldest post is three weeks and 20 hours ago. Almost all of your posts are hateful. Makes me hate you. You are really good at what you do, I gotta give you that. That is the job, right? Tell me I am wrong.
The Israelis and Palestinians are locked into something they can't get out of because old hurt traumatized PTSD mother fucking extremists are in control. Regular citizens in both groups would rather just go drinking and dancing than do this shit. THERE ARE NO ADULTS ON THE PLAYGROUND AND THE KIDS DON'T KNOW HOW TO STOP. THE USA IS NOT UP TO BEING THE ADULT BECAUSE WE HAVE NO MORAL AUTHORITY. THERE IS NO MORAL AUTHORITY IN WASHINGTON, WALL STREET, EUROPE, THE FUCKING GULF, NO WHERE.
And you, you parasite, just want to egg this shit on.
To hell with you. Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off. Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off. Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off.
Because I'm a little hurt kid too and that is all I am capable of is reacting to my hatred of you.
Use your brain and figure out how to stop this shit rather than justifying one stance or the other.
god, i am so glad you have a strong voice.
thank you again.
Thanks MsCreant!
She can see what he is. He can not hide from her.
Wow I don't even have to rant...you did it for me.
Personally, we need to just get out of the whole region and let them throw down. This will not be solved with diplomacy 1000's of years of hatred cannot be negotiated with.
Wow! A social science PhD, il professore no less....
Hmmmm...
Hating the truth will not make it go away MsC.
On matters non-financial, Gully is the most well informed poster I've seen. His youth on this board does not mean he is callow and ZH is no body's private playground.
Shame on you for your rant, spewing the very hatred yo claim to abhor.
Maybe you need to smoke a fattie and deal with your inner child first.
And you teach impressionable youngsters.
God help them.
And you.
And of course this is all theater, a theater of the absurd, fractally reflected in every sphere (WAR is in the air, like it or not).
And it is no one's fault. The sun is quiet, too quiet some scientists say. Waiting to exhale.
What was hale before will now be ex-hale.
GOM anyone? Korea anyone? That China suicide factory anyone? Chinese school kiddies murders anyone? Iraq? Afghanistan? India? Blighted India anyone? Volcanoes in South America? Tropical storms killing hundreds? Earthquakes? Currency crisis?
Just go inwards. Outwards, unless inwards is a well known entity to oneself is a huge lie, a theater of the absurd. As it should be.
Quit drinking! Quit porn! Quit TV! Quit driving so much.
The egg has to shatter for the baby to be born. The waters have to break.
And the sooner they do on this "un"civilization, the better I say.
Also, read The Story of B!
mr indian, you sometimes go off on people, ah
females†
Q U I T
i just started.
especially porn, never knew about until this year.
runs the world i hear.
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Thinking...
Disinfo tactics to incite violence. Yawwwwwwwwwwm...
Here the truth about the free gaza boat incident:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IHb8VeV46M
The protestors chanted: Intifada, intifada, here comes the Soldiers of Muhammad.
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2489.htm
And the muslims on the 'peaceboat' weren't peacefully, they got weapons to kill the soldiers. Knifes, metal bats and pistols...
Go seek video's on youtube, you sick morons...
More video's:
http://www.youtube.com/user/hetvrijevolkcom#p/f/0/buzOWKxN2co
http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=2323
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/gaza-jihad-flotilla-participants-chant...
I'm pro good people, hate bad people. Religion is not important, only the deed of the person... Who preaches hate and killing people, is a mental retarted criminal and must go to jail or get death penalty. No discussion possible...
Jimmy Bora
MEMRI? Really dude?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker
Selective Memri
Brian Whitaker investigates whether the 'independent' media institute that translates the Arabic newspapers is quite what it seems
For some time now, I have been receiving small gifts from a generous institute in the United States. The gifts are high-quality translations of articles from Arabic newspapers which the institute sends to me by email every few days, entirely free-of-charge.
The emails also go to politicians and academics, as well as to lots of other journalists. The stories they contain are usually interesting.
Whenever I get an email from the institute, several of my Guardian colleagues receive one too and regularly forward their copies to me - sometimes with a note suggesting that I might like to check out the story and write about it.
If the note happens to come from a more senior colleague, I'm left feeling that I really ought to write about it. One example last week was a couple of paragraphs translated by the institute, in which a former doctor in the Iraqi army claimed that Saddam Hussein had personally given orders to amputate the ears of military deserters.
The organisation that makes these translations and sends them out is the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri), based in Washington but with recently-opened offices in London, Berlin and Jerusalem.
Its work is subsidised by US taxpayers because as an "independent, non-partisan, non-profit" organisation, it has tax-deductible status under American law.
Memri's purpose, according to its website, is to bridge the language gap between the west - where few speak Arabic - and the Middle East, by "providing timely translations of Arabic, Farsi, and Hebrew media".
Despite these high-minded statements, several things make me uneasy whenever I'm asked to look at a story circulated by Memri. First of all, it's a rather mysterious organisation. Its website does not give the names of any people to contact, not even an office address.
The reason for this secrecy, according to a former employee, is that "they don't want suicide bombers walking through the door on Monday morning" (Washington Times, June 20).
This strikes me as a somewhat over-the-top precaution for an institute that simply wants to break down east-west language barriers.
The second thing that makes me uneasy is that the stories selected by Memri for translation follow a familiar pattern: either they reflect badly on the character of Arabs or they in some way further the political agenda of Israel. I am not alone in this unease.
Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations told the Washington Times: "Memri's intent is to find the worst possible quotes from the Muslim world and disseminate them as widely as possible."
Memri might, of course, argue that it is seeking to encourage moderation by highlighting the blatant examples of intolerance and extremism. But if so, one would expect it - for the sake of non-partisanship - t o publicise extremist articles in the Hebrew media too.
Although Memri claims that it does provide translations from Hebrew media, I can't recall receiving any.
Evidence from Memri's website also casts doubt on its non-partisan status. Besides supporting liberal democracy, civil society, and the free market, the institute also emphasises "the continuing relevance of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel".
That is what its website used to say, but the words about Zionism have now been deleted. The original page, however, can still be found in internet archives.
The reason for Memri's air of secrecy becomes clearer when we look at the people behind it. The co-founder and president of Memri, and the registered owner of its website, is an Israeli called Yigal Carmon.
Mr - or rather, Colonel - Carmon spent 22 years in Israeli military intelligence and later served as counter-terrorism adviser to two Israeli prime ministers, Yitzhak Shamir and Yitzhak Rabin.
Retrieving another now-deleted page from the archives of Memri's website also throws up a list of its staff. Of the six people named, three - including Col Carmon - are described as having worked for Israeli intelligence.
Among the other three, one served in the Israeli army's Northern Command Ordnance Corps, one has an academic background, and the sixth is a former stand-up comedian.
Col Carmon's co-founder at Memri is Meyrav Wurmser, who is also director of the centre for Middle East policy at the Indianapolis-based Hudson Institute, which bills itself as "America's premier source of applied research on enduring policy challenges".
The ubiquitous Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon's defence policy board, recently joined Hudson's board of trustees.
Ms Wurmser is the author of an academic paper entitled Can Israel Survive Post-Zionism? in which she argues that leftwing Israeli intellectuals pose "more than a passing threat" to the state of Israel, undermining its soul and reducing its will for self-defence.
In addition, Ms Wurmser is a highly qualified, internationally recognised, inspiring and knowledgeable speaker on the Middle East whose presence would make any "event, radio or television show a unique one" - according to Benador Associates, a public relations company which touts her services.
Nobody, so far as I know, disputes the general accuracy of Memri's translations but there are other reasons to be concerned about its output.
The email it circulated last week about Saddam Hussein ordering people's ears to be cut off was an extract from a longer article in the pan-Arab newspaper, al-Hayat, by Adil Awadh who claimed to have first-hand knowledge of it.
It was the sort of tale about Iraqi brutality that newspapers would happily reprint without checking, especially in the current atmosphere of war fever. It may well be true, but it needs to be treated with a little circumspection.
Mr Awadh is not exactly an independent figure. He is, or at least was, a member of the Iraqi National Accord, an exiled Iraqi opposition group backed by the US - and neither al-Hayat nor Memri mentioned this.
Also, Mr Awadh's allegation first came to light some four years ago, when he had a strong personal reason for making it. According to a Washington Post report in 1998, the amputation claim formed part of his application for political asylum in the United States.
At the time, he was one of six Iraqis under arrest in the US as suspected terrorists or Iraqi intelligence agents, and he was trying to show that the Americans had made a mistake.
Earlier this year, Memri scored two significant propaganda successes against Saudi Arabia. The first was its translation of an article from al-Riyadh newspaper in which a columnist wrote that Jews use the blood of Christian or Muslim children in pastries for the Purim religious festival.
The writer, a university teacher, was apparently relying on an anti-semitic myth that dates back to the middle ages. What this demonstrated, more than anything, was the ignorance of many Arabs - even those highly educated - about Judaism and Israel, and their readiness to believe such ridiculous stories.
But Memri claimed al-Riyadh was a Saudi "government newspaper" - in fact it's privately owned - implying that the article had some form of official approval.
Al-Riyadh's editor said he had not seen the article before publication because he had been abroad. He apologised without hesitation and sacked his columnist, but by then the damage had been done.
Memri's next success came a month later when Saudi Arabia's ambassador to London wrote a poem entitled The Martyrs - about a young woman suicide bomber - which was published in al-Hayat newspaper.
Memri sent out translated extracts from the poem, which it described as "praising suicide bombers". Whether that was the poem's real message is a matter of interpretation. It could, perhaps more plausibly, be read as condemning the political ineffectiveness of Arab leaders, but Memri's interpretation was reported, almost without question, by the western media.
These incidents involving Saudi Arabia should not be viewed in isolation. They are part of building a case against the kingdom and persuading the United States to treat it as an enemy, rather than an ally.
It's a campaign that the Israeli government and American neo-conservatives have been pushing since early this year - one aspect of which was the bizarre anti-Saudi briefing at the Pentagon, hosted last month by Richard Perle.
To anyone who reads Arabic newspapers regularly, it should be obvious that the items highlighted by Memri are those that suit its agenda and are not representative of the newspapers' content as a whole.
The danger is that many of the senators, congressmen and "opinion formers" who don't read Arabic but receive Memri's emails may get the idea that these extreme examples are not only truly representative but also reflect the policies of Arab governments.
Memri's Col Carmon seems eager to encourage them in that belief. In Washington last April, in testimony to the House committee on international relations, he portrayed the Arab media as part of a wide-scale system of government-sponsored indoctrination.
"The controlled media of the Arab governments conveys hatred of the west, and in particular, of the United States," he said. "Prior to September 11, one could frequently find articles which openly supported, or even called for, terrorist attacks against the United States ...
"The United States is sometimes compared to Nazi Germany, President Bush to Hitler, Guantanamo to Auschwitz," he said.
In the case of the al-Jazeera satellite channel, he added, "the overwhelming majority of guests and callers are typically anti-American and anti-semitic".
Unfortunately, it is on the basis of such sweeping generalisations that much of American foreign policy is built these days.
As far as relations between the west and the Arab world are concerned, language is a barrier that perpetuates ignorance and can easily foster misunderstanding.
All it takes is a small but active group of Israelis to exploit that barrier for their own ends and start changing western perceptions of Arabs for the worse.
It is not difficult to see what Arabs might do to counter that. A group of Arab media companies could get together and publish translations of articles that more accurately reflect the content of their newspapers.
It would certainly not be beyond their means. But, as usual, they may prefer to sit back and grumble about the machinations of Israeli intelligence veterans.
The following correction was printed in the Guardian's Corrections and Clarifications column, Wednesday August 21 2002
In an article headed Atrocity stories regain currency, page 13, August 8, and in an article headed Selective Memri on the Guardian website, we referred to Dr Adil Awadh, an Iraqi doctor who alleged that Saddam Hussein had ordered doctors to amputate the ears of soldiers who deserted. Dr Awadh has asked us to make it clear that he has no connection with Memri (Middle East Media Research Institute), and that he did not authorise its translation of parts of an article by him. He is no longer a member of the Iraqi National Accord (INA). He is an independent member of the Iraqi National Congress (INC). His reference to orders by Saddam Hussein to cut off the ears of deserters has been supported by evidence from other sources.
Thank you for this information.
I couldn't discuss it, but I know Wafa Sultan is one of the members of MEMRI.
There are very much contradictions and propaganda in the media, so I don't trust anymore on TV. Only internet is my source of left and right information, then I filter the truth out of the found information/knowledge about an event.
I know, I'm not always right with my information, but it's very difficult to be 100% right informated. There are so many lies...
The Guardian? Quoting Ibrahim Cooper?
Really dude?
The Israeli military tried to assault the ship in international water with weapons and ended up killing 20+. A bat or a knife is no match against armor and a gun. It was a slaughter.
Your feeble attempt to spin is laughable. Try again.
That sums up your logic perfectly. Now back to your pro-Israel-talking-point-application to find out how to respond. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool
Both bats and knives and sections of metal pipe can and do kill and permanently maim.
That's why in most jurisdictions, use of such is considered assault with deadly weapons. In most US states, shooting a person attacking you or anyone else using one of these weapons would be justified. Same thing for beating and kicking someone savagely, or throwing over railing to a thirty foot fall onto a steel deck.
If the Isreali boarders intention had been to kill, they'd have brought machine pistols with them insteal of just the single sidearm. The intention was clearly to get to the bridge to stop the ship, causing a little damage as possible. The effort became a deadly battle thanks to the assault by the "peace activists" on the ship. When such occurs, you pull out your pistol. When such continues you start firing, at some point aiming center body mass. Nobody rushing you with or beating someone else with a pipe or a bat deserves anthing less than a couple of rounds.
"only the deed of the person"
If those spineless israelis boarded my boat in INTERNATIONAL WATERS i would personally fuck each and every one of them.
What a good read the comments are.
Soon as a solid point is made about the Palestinians (forgot about it being anti-Israeli or not), the junks and 'anti-semitism! anti-semitism!' cries come out in full force.
Typical.
Constant reminder of the holocaust gives green light to steam roll through Gaza.
it's non stop.. if they would EVER admit to their faults people wouldn't tune out their constant crying
Smear campaigns have been standard tactics when you know your side has lost all credibility.
Isn't it remarkable how, of all the topics we've had heated debates about here for months, this one produces the most hate-filled, venom-spewing, and outright bloodthirsty posts, not to mention setting records for posts junked.
Religion is all about being sensible, I guess. Plus love, peace, family, brotherhood, you know, that stuff.
We must be surrounded by secularists, eh?
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Let's just though 2000 yrs of good ideas go...
/sarcsam off
There are many comments here that are clearly anti-semitic, and which are way beyond any legit criticism of Israel's policies or actions. I call it how I see it. Some people don't like it, when anti-semitism, whether it comes openly or disguised as "anti-zionism" is challenged, though.
Typical.
Your being taught to select camps. Bankers are desperate.
October 10, 2008 — International Monetary Fund: Forceful Action Necessary to Solve Finance Crisis Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, says problems in the global financial markets can only be solved if everyone acts quickly, forcefully and cooperatively. Available video includes soundbites from Strauss-Kahn on how no country is immune to the financial fallout and the need for global cooperation to devise a solution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWOlWbCPqtw
Idiot Greeks, what short memories they have. From New York governor George Pataki's proclamation, October 6th, 2002:
Whereas, these Greeks, whose ancestors had lived in communities along present-day northern Turkey near the Black Sea for three millennia, were singled out by the Turkish authorities for expulsion from their ancestral lands along with Armenians and Assyrians; from 1915-1923, Greeks of Asia Minor endured immeasurable cruelty during a Turkish Government-sanctioned systematic campaign to displace them; destroying Greek towns and villages and slaughtering additional hundreds of thousands of civilians in areas where Greeks composed a majority, as on the Black Sea coast, Pontus, and areas around Smyrna; those who survived were exiled from Turkey and today they and their descendants live throughout the Greek diaspora; and
Whereas, in 1922, Smyrna, the largest city in Asia Minor called "the jewel of the Mediterranean", a cosmopolitan hub populated by a highly educated Greek community and flourishing commercial and middle-classes, was sacked and burned and its inhabitants massacred by the Turkish forces; the pier of Smyrna became a scene of final desperation as the approaching flames forced many thousands to jump to their death, rather than be consumed by flame; George Horton, the Consul General of the United States in Smyrna at the time of the catastrophe, is quoted as saying, "...the destruction of Smyrna happened, however, in 1922, and no act ever perpetrated by the Turkish race in all its bloodstained history has been characterized by more brutal and lustful features, nor more productive of the worst of human sufferings inflicted on the defenseless and unarmed."
And to clarify:
I'm not pro or against Israël/Palestina/ or even what fucking land.
I'm pro free world and democracy. I've no land or nationality, I'm a civilian from the world.
And the rest of hating people or racists could go fuck up in jail. Not important what's someone belief, race or nationality.
Not so difficult, heee?
Please read "Notes on Democracy," by H.L. Mencken.
Democracy is fucking terrible.
Anyone notice the world is becoming more and more unstable. Notice volcano's and earthquakes are coming more and more frequent. Oil spill ruining the Gulf, while they hecklers sit back and do nothing about it. The Korean idiot is playing his tune once again, and provoking a war. Iran just does what ever they want to do, because the U.S. is too strung out to do anything about it, plus they are scared shitless of the repercussions worldwide, while the rest of the world is powerless against Iran. Terrorists are again stepping up their attacks.
And the American public is more interested in Ipad, American Idol, and the DOW, no matter how broke they are becoming everyday. LOL
Anyday now, something big is going to break out, its just a matter of when and where.
Anyone notice the world is becoming more and more unstable.
Depends on where, exactly, that your perch is located. But I get your point.
Notice volcano's and earthquakes are coming more and more frequent. Oil spill ruining the Gulf, while they hecklers sit back and do nothing about it.
Hmm, hecklers are those that can be found in a comedy club, but I find nothing humourous when it comes to the subject of the GOM.
The Korean idiot is playing his tune once again, and provoking a war.
Uh, that would be Hitlery who is doing that.
Iran just does what ever they want to do, because the U.S. is too strung out to do anything about it, plus they are scared shitless of the repercussions worldwide, while the rest of the world is powerless against Iran.
Not sure what it is that you are talking about or where you're getting your information from. What is it that Iran is doing that the US, and the rest of the world, is powerless to prevent? You mean the legal civilian nuclear program that allows them to enrich uranium to nearly 20% for electrical generation and medical isotopes, when 95% enrichment is required for nuclear weapons? The same nuclear program that is overseen by the IAEA? The same nuclear program that is constantly being sold by the corporate media as being one that is producing nuclear weapons, when it isn't? That one?
Terrorists are again stepping up their attacks.
You're right. The US is now going into Pakistan and Israel just killed 19 unarmed people as they stormed an aid boat in international waters.
And the American public is more interested in Ipad, American Idol, and the DOW, no matter how broke they are becoming everyday.
You forgot dancing stars and idiots "surviving" on an island.
Anyday now, something big is going to break out, its just a matter of when and where.
I keep telling myself that - one day I'll be discovered and I'll have millions of fans.
Make sure you look at all the related videos to this ship attack. I saw warheads being pulled out of a crate hidden in the food supplies. I wouldn't condemn Isreal just yet about the attack. They may have been tipped off that something was on this ship other than food/aid. Could video be doctored, sure it could, but as they say "video never lies", so it has to be true doesn't it. Who knows anymore, what to believe. Every one of these governments is dishonest as they come, and will sell out their citizens to save themselves in a heartbeat.
Make sure you look at all the related videos to this ship attack. I saw warheads being pulled out of a crate hidden in the food supplies.
Sure. And we all saw the video that was labelled where those on the boat were throwing stun grenades and fire bombs. Pure bullshit.
I wouldn't condemn Isreal just yet about the attack. They may have been tipped off that something was on this ship other than food/aid.
Don't condemn Israel just yet? But at the same time you were quick to believe that you saw "warheads" being pulled out of a crate hidden in the food supplies.
Could video be doctored, sure it could, but as they say "video never lies", so it has to be true doesn't it.
Uh, no fucking way are you selling that to me. Not in the day of photoshop and other software that can be used to manipulate video. Especially when we got word, last week, courtesy of the Washington Post, that the CIA made phony Bin Laden videos.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_idea...
Who knows anymore, what to believe.
Think for yourself.
Every one of these governments is dishonest as they come, and will sell out their citizens to save themselves in a heartbeat.
No argument from me on that one.
If there were no weapons aboard, there would have been no reason to run the blockade.
If it were only "aid", they could have docked at a port where the cargo would be thoroughly inspected, as is all cargo going into Israel, then transferred to Gaza via a checkpoint. Everything except weapons/weapons making stuff and of course the assorted barking moonbats, fruits and nuts, and the one or two actual dangers to the rest of humanity among the crew. Most of them are probably the Rachel Corrie type, mostly dangerous to themselves.
I have been enjoying reading Zero Hedge for some time, especially the comments. I am under the impression that Zero Hedge is frequented by a very disparate set of individuals, from radically different backgrounds and Political Persuasions, who have somehow come together with a common view that things are getting real bad, and about to turn really nasty. There is not complete commonality in views, but debate typically is witty, educated, educational, and mature. That is, until the topic of Israel comes up, which case debate turns very hateful, nasty, and ugly.
I consider myself a friend of Israel . . . I do not hate Palestinians, and would hope for a day that we could see greater peace in that part of the world.
I am just surprised by the level of hatred and vitriol that comes out in these forums when the topic of Israel comes up.
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+100
I don't really like discussing Israel on these open forums because passions run high on both sides, and far too many idiots start chiming in with their uninformed views. But sometimes I just can't hold back. If I read utter nonsense, I will lash out. My preference is to limit geopolitical topics to one single thread. No use having five stories on Israel today, especially since it's Memorial Day. We should remember those who gave their lives so we have the freedom to fight like idiots on this board.
We should remember those who gave their lives so we have the freedom to fight like idiots on this board.
Funny, but true.
When I hear that phrase, "remember those who gave their lives for our freedoms", I'm always drawn to the thought and the history teachings of WW2 and the tyrannical Nazi forces. Never do I associate it with the illegal wars and occupations of today in the name of Imperialism and GOD (Guns, Oil and Drugs). I can't help to cringe when I hear that phrase being used today.
During the Bush years, and now under Obama, this sense of loss has only worsened, as more lives are tossed away in the never-ending delusion of “freedom” through endless death and destruction.
The body count rises daily, all over the world by US aggression and the real reasons for all this senseless slaughter are never seriously questioned.
You would not even have a Memorial Day if the United States did not engage in one senseless war after another. Therefore, the real meaning of Memorial Day is found in its victims, and why there is a Memorial Day. Let us remember the real reasons, the real sacrifices and the real causes and meanings behind Memorial Day — and let us stop pretending that any of this is “necessary”, “good” or even “required” for American freedom.
ther following all apply:
1) US always backs Israel (large US jewish lobby) So if one is anti US, one is anti Israel by default
2) Many folks have genuine criticism of Israel's policy re Palestinians
3) antisemites (visceral hatred of jews (as a racial segment). Not particulalry friends of Palestinians but good cover.
4) Jews
5) Non-Jew supporters of Israel/Jews (usually folks who think the Holocaust was worst thing ever hence Jews deserve protection).
most folks fall somewhere in there, hence heated debate.
I think the height of passion on this issue is directly proportional to the cynicism and utter lack of good faith from both sides in the actual conflict.
The debate is now a bunch of decades-old exaggerations and misrepresentations that have to be more and more savagely defended in order to overcome the growing whiff of bullshit seeping off of them.
Decades? How about Millenniums.
Or you are particularly sensitive to hatred to Israelis?
Because there is commonly hatred to Blacks, Chinese, Muslims on this site without it making a fuss.
I will not be drawn into this debate. Does not pay very well, and no ones mind will be changed.
Why anyone of moral and ethical standing be a friend to a sociopathic race of, i hate to say, people, such as the 'israelis' is beyond me.
Palestine was stolen by the british and americans for the jews, fact.
When and if the sociopathic 'chosen ones' accept that there are other humans inhabiting this earth and that they must co-exist with them in order to survive, peace will be upon us.
Evidently, the odds are against peace.
What one has to FULLY UNDERSTAND is that the 'jews' REALLY REALLY REALLY BELIEVE they are CHOSEN and ABOVE ALL OTHERS.
For fucks sake! Get a grip on reality jews.
I will NEVER SUPPORT any such racist race of peoples, no matter what race they belong to.
I am stunned at the proPalestinian bent, and rabid anti-Israel and anti-jewish hatred.
This will not end well.
I hear ya, Reb.
Very polarizing subject with no real debate. Hard-edged opinions that will not be changed.
Well done to Greece. Well done to the Greeks to standing up to International Financial Criminality and well done for showing solidarity to groups of people who Greeks may not always have been the closest with.
I have no doubt that the recent Financial debacle and bullying would have opened up many Greeks eyes to what International Zionism really is and the power the Zionists wield in the Financial spheres above all else.
As for Israel, I will reiterate that beloved Financial Master Lloyd Blankfein he of the chosen bank of Goldman Sachs, "I'm doing god's work", which god exactly I'm not quite sure, but it looks like piracy runs in the family.
Yes, "It's the Jews' fault! All the world's problems revolve around Jews and the state if Israel." What a bunch of rubbish! There should be a minum IQ requirement to be allowed to post on ZH!!!
I think you'll find that most people these days (certainly outside of the USA) blame the US for most of the world's current problems...
After all (topically) if it hadn't been for the USA, the state of Israel would never have been set up!
Riiiight, the europeans had nothing to do with carving up the Middle East and declaring this or that part of defeated empires over there to award them to various personalities and tribes. The British in particular had nothing to do with declaring who would live where, and even less than nothing to do with declaring bits of "Palestine" for this or that subgroup or tribe or potentate. Jews and jewish settlers also had nothing to do with it, and still don't. The whole thing was "set up" out of whole cloth by the USA! ZH is a goldmine!
Sorry let me even up this debate, "Islamo-Mooslum Talibani Al-Qaeda Terroristz have invaded the US and are now hell bent on destroying the worlds financial markets, and the Freedom Flotilla was actually full of terrorists from Pakistan, and it's all Bin Laden's fault (but they still can't provide the evidence)."
/sarcasm.
As for your minimum IQ requirement, I think there should be a minimum requirement to spell checking what you've wrote. But carry on anyway.
There is bullshit thrown on both sides. I never bought this crap that Muslims want to take over the world either. Rubbish! Or that Al-QaQa is plotting away to take over US financial markets. Total rubbish. The masses will believe anything when they're scared.
Muslims, plural, are taking over Europe nonetheless. The fundamental misogyny common to most muslims is the very core of Islam's strategy of domination. The differential birthrates tell the story. The plan isn't to win through war. The actual operating strategy, unfolding at the speed of demographics, is to outbreed the infidels on their own territory, and slowly but surely impose islamically correct changes of greater and greater impact on the host, until and when it's burkas for everybody several decades hence.
Muslims take over Europe by 2030.
Kiss your asses goodbye! 10 years later than ours!
I hope that we can stay in the game (Americans and Europeans) to have children...
I understand better your other comment.
Muslim people are favoured people. Among many people, they are the only ones allowed to have conspiracy theories. They have a plan. Others do not have.
Speak about conspiracies by other people and get bashed.
Speak about conspiracies by Muslims and many accept the idea of conspiracy as naturally flowing.
Arent Muslims favoured people?
I wouldn't worry about Muslims taking over Europe. You'll have been a bankrupted 2nd world continent in a decades time at the rate that your Zionist Financial masters are destroying you.
But carry on anyway. I find it hilarious around the western world, constantly complaining of a Muslim take-over that has never arrived (and with western European Muslim demographics of around 3-4% isn't likely to happen anytime soon). All the while they're being robbed blind by their Zionist friends in high places.
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
sounds like 1930s all over again :-) Read much Mein kampf?
Peace talks must obviously have been progressing otherwise Palestinian and Israeli leaders would not have gotten together to stage this event.
"I'll send a rent-a-mob by boat and you send IDF. See you tomorrow"
The attack was either an enormous fuckup or it's a distraction from something far more harrowing. Don't be surprised by anything in the short term.
Shakes my head.
Following is the text of UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan’s message to the Second Congress of World and Traditional Religions in Astana, Kazakhstan, today, as delivered by Sergei Ordzhonikidze, Director-General of the United Nations Office at Geneva: Note the date.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2006/sgsm10632.doc.htm
http://www.share-international.org/maitreya/Ma_main.htmWho is Maitreya?
World Religions and Norms of War
Release Date: March, 2009
ISBN 13: 9789280811636
Sales Number: 09.III.A.7
352 page(s), 6x9.5
Binding: Paperback
Publisher: United Nations University
Over more than two millennia, the world’s leading religious traditions have provided the guidance in questions of when war can be justified, and of what methods and targets are permissible in war. Linking deep historical analysis to contemporary issues, this volume provides valuable insight, and even prompts us to rethink our understanding of the role and influence of religion in the state politics. The book exposes the norms of war in Hinduism, in Theravada Buddhism, in Japanese religion, in Judaism, in Roman Catholic Christianity, in Eastern Orthodox Christianity, in Protestant Christianity, in Shia Islam and in Sunni Islam, and discusses norms of war in cross-religious perspective.
https://unp.un.org/Details.aspx?pid=18973
Eleanor Roosevelt addresses the United Nations on the ratification of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rDoS7XErcw
Alice Bailey - UN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey
Lucis Trust & the U.N. New Age Agenda
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1863620/lucis_trust_the_u_n_new_age_agenda/
Maitreya = AntiChrist (Son of Perdition) 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YKrY_MWB5w
MAITREYA = 666: The Number of the Beast Revealed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVkusRzq4Xo
To this very day. No one can piece together the puzzle.
One more time. Wake up and stop this madness. Your life is at harm if you continue to ignore the heeded warnings. Your simple life really doesn't matter in the large scope of 'Hope & Change'. The next puppet will spin more lies. Please wake up.
Ministry Messiah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMSe_0o9Bo
Worldwide protests over Israeli raid
People of the U.S. and the World Must End Israeli Impunity Now!
Israeli Raid Triggers Worldwide Outcry
Israeli attack on Gaza aid flotilla outrages world
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1282802/Israeli-forces-kill-19-people-carrying-aid-ship-Gaza.html
Israeli commandos kill 19 in attack on flotilla trying to break Gaza blockade
Claim and counterclaim after deadly flotilla raid
Australians on aid flotilla are safe
US-Israel links at risk over deadly aid convoy attack
Israel condemned as anger grows over flotilla raid
Fury follows deadly attack
this is just manufactured controversy. israel controls its naval borders.'activists' wanted to breach israels border security. an accident happens and this is fodder for the powers that be, politicians, and the media especially, to distract the masses from the real crisis on their hands, the economic fallout from a massive decades long banking and government spending scandal.
you think this matters? israel killed way more people in lebanon a few years back and everyone forgot about that promptly. the reason is because of the scale of the problem. israel and the occupied territories are 10M people. and when israel wanted to give gaza to egypt as part of the camp david accord that traded the captured sinai desert for piece, the egyptians flat out refused.
the scale of this problem is small. israel is in the unfortunate position of being on the business end of national security management of a couple of well planned 'activists' who know that turkey is a 'toss-up' in the public relations battle of winning the hearts and guns of moderate muslim nations in the middle east. so what? this is meaningless. except that politicians will use this as an exuse to scape goat israel in the news. the military policy of nato will not be influenced by this one iota. meanwhile. israel sells drone technology to india and russia. you will know that we are approaching political discontinuity when silly 'episodes' like this are used by the media to distract the public from the reality of political financial conflict that delineates modern international jockeying. this isn't it.
israelis should be buried in the desert in the hope of fertilizing it.
more footage
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10199480.stm
I can't believe Israelis were dumb enough to fall into such an obvious media trap.
For f. sake, the least I would come up is to shot the propeller down, tow the ship wherever and claim, it's a rescue ops.
P.S. all of you (all sides), might want to consider taking a chill pill or dozen.
Don't Greeks have enough problems, or do they just have a thing for protests?
You got it ;) ...Ehm...about that thing i mean...Just look at their modern history...full of protests, riots, resistance, can never stay calm
Greeks are Greeks not Bulgarians, they voice their concerns on all matters concerning injustices.
Feel whatever you want to feel; the NATO defense pact is cut and dried. A non-NATO member attacked a NATO member's civilian ship in international waters.
Let the Hague sort it out.
Why are we involved in this shit again?
Wow. All this shit is tough to read.
As soon as anyone gets disagreed with, name-calling ensues.
Can't wait for the market to open tomorrow. I sincerely hope this site can return to insightful market commentary and opinion.
Last but not least:
Gaza is NOT "CONTROLLED" somehow by Hamas... The people ELECTED Hamas. I do not like Hamas, but they actually elected it. Any aid to the goverment of Gaza is an aid to the elected government of Hamas... Maybe sad...but true!
The irony with Israel's stance on Hamas is that it was to Israel what Saddam was to the United States. It was created, funded and trained in the 1980's to counter Arafat's PLO and spread the on-going myth that all Palestinians and Muslims are terrorists. By pushing the Palestinian issue deeper down the road of "terrorism" it hoped that Palestinians would lose legitimacy amongst the western world and support for Israel would increase. Basically Hamas was to be "new militant" face of the Palestinian cause.
Sadly that tactic has since backfired in the faces of the Israeli's much like Saddam and the Iraq war has for the US.
I'm surprised the guys on the ship didn't sing Kumbaya as they were getting slaughtered. Maybe you have an explanation for this breach of international good will and protocol?
Having read these discouraging comments, which are nothing new, I am sufficiently freshly depressed about the human condition to proceed to kill myself. But I won't, because one of my fellow violent apes will doubtless do it soon enough.
Fighting zionist douchebags all day is boring. It's like stepping on cockroaches. It's gross when their gooey insides explode all over the floor and get on your shoe, and there's always more under the next smelly, damp place.
I quit.
I am Chumbawamba.
People honestly believe a group of fucks like them have been kicked out of numerous countries since the beginning of time for absolutely no reason? I don't think so.
I told y'all. The Ottamon fucks came and rescued the jew fucks when spain kicked them out in the late 15th century.
F#!$%^ you Chewy. We will bury slime like you too.
I FUCKING TOLD YOU!
~1492
First, and last post. What a cesspool.
Go rape, pillage, and murder somewhere else asshole.
I'm jonesing for a new TD posting.
Looks like the http://www.thejidf.org/ are here to assure us that Israel has nothing to do with Jews.
Biblical problems require biblical questions...eh, who threw the first stone?
King David Hotel bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
And the lion shall lie down with the lamb....
I can honestly say that these Isreal threads have had the worst dialogs I've ever seen on ZH. I've read through them all, and it's like reading Yahoo with f-bombs.
Disappointing that on a forum of some of the most attentive and enlightened people alive, we can devolve so rapidly into such piss-poor protoplasm.
Both sides have valid points here people, yet no-one concedes shit, and the name calling escalates. It's like Middle East transference syndrome. Right here and live at ZH.
How about leaving them to their own devices and not picking sides? Just step clean the fuck out and let the chips fall where they may (while we all invest heavily in alternative energy of course). :]
I just get sick of the constant pulling and prodding to "choose a side." How about I choose neither. Didn;t a wise man once counsel to avoid foreign entanglements?
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/corrie.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8558701.stm
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/05/31/israel-murders-at-least-16-human-rights-activists-on-route-to-gaza-on-the-open-sea/