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Guardian Reports Core At Reactor 2 May Have Melted To Concrete Floor, Radioactive Lava Next?

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And another update from Fukushima on its route to the concrete dome, irradiated ground water, and a 100 km "no live zone" from the Guardian:

The radioactive core in a reactor at the crippled Fukushima nuclear power  plant appears to have melted through the bottom of its containment vessel and on to a concrete floor, experts say, raising fears of a major release of radiation at the site.

The warning follows an analysis by a leading US expert of radiation levels at the plant. Readings from reactor two at the site have been made public by the Japanese authorities and Tepco, the utility that operates it.

Richard Lahey, who was head of safety research for boiling-water reactors at General Electric when the company installed the units at Fukushima, told the Guardian workers at the site appeared to have "lost the race" to save the reactor, but said there was no danger of a Chernobyl-style catastrophe.

Workers have been pumping water into three reactors at the stricken plant in a desperate bid to keep the fuel rods from melting down, but the fuel is at least partially exposed in all the reactors.

At least part of the molten core, which includes melted fuel rods and zirconium alloy cladding, seemed to have sunk through the steel "lower head" of the pressure vessel around reactor two, Lahey said.

"The indications we have, from the reactor to radiation readings and the materials they are seeing, suggest that the core has melted through the bottom of the pressure vessel in unit two, and at least some of it is down on the floor of the drywell," Lahey said. "I hope I am wrong, but that is certainly what the evidence is pointing towards."

The good news is that the next step will not be a Chernobyl type explosion, or so the GE expert believes, but a far more "benign" radioactive lava escalation.

The major concern when molten fuel breaches a containment vessel is that it reacts with the concrete floor of the drywell underneath, releasing radioactive gases into the surrounding area. At Fukushima, the drywell has been flooded with seawater, which will cool any molten fuel that escapes from the reactor and reduce the amount of radioactive gas released.

Lahey said: "It won't come out as one big glob; it'll come out like lava, and that is good because it's easier to cool."

The drywell is surrounded by a secondary steel-and-concrete structure designed to keep radioactive material from escaping into the environment. But an earlier hydrogen explosion at the reactor may have damaged this.

So you see: there is no reason to worry, and it is everyone's patriotic duty to BTFD as the "QE3 on - QE3 off" daily speculation reaches a schizophrenic crescendo.

 

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Tue, 03/29/2011 - 16:10 | 1114067 Alienated Serf
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uhoh, trav didn't say this post was sensationalist.  bad shit must be going down if he agrees.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 16:33 | 1114211 Matte_Black
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someone has finally hit on a reliable bellweather for this thing.

we're fucked.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 17:12 | 1114414 Sudden Debt
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yes, this is definitively a BEER MEETS GIRL moment.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:04 | 1114861 chumbawamba
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Naw, this is great news.  Think of all the stupid people this will kill.

Can I interest you in a free ticket to Tokyo?

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:53 | 1115012 T1000
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"I am pretty sure that there is enough above-ground radioactive material sitting in spent fuel pools and inside reactors to kill just about everyone. It will stay dangerous for over a million years, which is a lot longer than the expected lifetime of the nuclear power industry, or any industry, or any human civilization, or perhaps even the human race. When nuclear experts say that a nuclear reactor is safe, they can only mean that it is safe for the rest of the afternoon; beyond that they can't possibly have any actual data to support their claim."

And I thought they smelled bad on the outside. 

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/03/fleeing-vesuius-us-edition.html


Tue, 03/29/2011 - 20:29 | 1115105 narapoiddyslexia
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"...perhaps even the human race."

??? We're checking out pretty soon, I expect. Hate to offer an opinion but I don't think civilization can last for more than another generation or two then its a desert planet with an ever dwindling population. Maybe a few million will survive around Antarctica for a while. A thousand years at the most, and then the radiation won't be a danger to us anymore.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:12 | 1115201 T1000
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I think we'll make it. And by "we", I mean the organism that has evolved to the present actuality that is a human being. "We" are actually quite old, like 500 million years old. We're constanlty changing and adapting. I don't know if we'll get past what's coming, but I reckon so in some form.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:17 | 1115208 JLee2027
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Oh please don't start an evolution versus G debate here. 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:31 | 1115233 T1000
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What? 

Proof we are God's creation: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-LKa1Y9_ok

It's the TEOTWAWKI. Get some Gravy Rainbow, bitches. 

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:45 | 1115273 jeff montanye
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500 million years ago it was 50 million years before millipedes appeared.

so yes.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:20 | 1115395 Oh regional Indian
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To think we can fight a cycle as old as time itself stinnks of hubris.

And hubris is what has brought every prior experiment in human evolution to it's knees and then delivered the blow to the neck.

We've reached of not diminishing marginal utility but infinitesimal marginal utility.

It's okay to see it for what it is and where we are.

Calm, in the eye of the perfect storm.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/axis-trembles/

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:48 | 1115507 franzpick
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My idea from last night has continuing appeal: a small abandoned mine in the CA foothills, around 1000' > MSL, with horizontal tunnels and a water source inside the mine.

Then, a view to the west from a flat, wooded plateau with tables and propane-generator powered campsites, lights, gear, for friends to come and stay and share the view of the quake dust, the tsunami or the clouds that will signal the start of the new world.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:50 | 1115512 Oh regional Indian
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Sweet!

ORI

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 23:06 | 1115568 T1000
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Did you ever see the Planet of the Apes where there was a species of humanoids that lived underneath the planet in caves. After thousands of years, they developed massive brains and could control people with their minds. It. was. awesome.

Go for it!!

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 09:44 | 1116600 Kobe Beef
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Sounds livable. You dont work for FEMA by any chance? just joking.

Cheers,

Beef

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:49 | 1115511 tekhneek
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LOL.

God freaks just remind of me advice god.

"I gave you free will, so use it exactly as I command you to!"

"Day 1: Create light. Day 4: Create light source"

LMAO.

You guys have got to check this shit out: http://www.quickmeme.com/Advice-God/ You too Jesus guy.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 00:21 | 1115855 d_senti
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Clearly someone doesn't grasp the concept of metaphor.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 00:37 | 1115901 chumbawamba
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Are you so moronic to think the Sun is the only source of light in the Universe?

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:36 | 1115246 CrazyCooter
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The modern world is about to hit apon the same rock into which all previous "advanced" civilizations sailed. In this case it just happens to be energy in this case as previously this may have been food or natural castrophe. In all cases, the system evolved can no longer sustain itself and has to "simplify" to survive.

This has been touched on at least a few times in the history of ZH with posts and to a much greater extent in comments.

On the time line you speak, "modern" standards of living will not persist. The math is pretty simple really. An average western lifestyle consumes enormous amounts of energy, of which almost all is non-renewable. A sustainable lifestyle is more along the lines of traditional "wood burning, animal labor" type stuff than todays "consumerist to landfill" type stuff. It doesn't have to be primative, but energy will be sufficiently important to not be pissed away in 1 hour commutes, throw away products, and such.

Even nuclear could only survive "thousands" of years where as almost all hydrocarbons are gone "tens" or "hundreds" depending.

The fact that BP was in the gulf of Mexico drilling in miles of water and crust for a test well should be a big fat red blinking indicator that there are probably not any cheaper alternatives. If you believe their are, then you should promptly short BP for being stupid and profit. While BP may be reckless, they are not stupid. And hydrocarbons going forward are simply going to become more and more expensive in real terms.

As is widely understood, this has serious economic implications. Which is the point; simply.

Regards,

Cooter

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:51 | 1115292 jeff montanye
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well said.  simplify.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:42 | 1115480 RichardP
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So, the iPad2 without wifi then??

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:28 | 1115417 MsCreant
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Thanks for the sanity crazy cooter.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:48 | 1115504 RockyRacoon
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When it's the admittedly crazy people who begin to make sense we are on the road to perdition.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 00:58 | 1115923 slewie the pi-rat
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coo-quote:

"The fact that BP was in the gulf of Mexico drilling in miles of water and crust for a test well should be a big fat red blinking indicator that there are probably not any cheaper alternatives. If you believe their are, then you should promptly short BP for being stupid and profit. While BP may be reckless, they are not stupid."

i say BP was just fukin goin for the mother lode.  we know that. 

everything was ok til here, for me. the rest of the stuff was a well-expressed point of view.  v. reckless.  squared.  but if they "bring er in" they could be as "important" as if they'd moon-walked.

we've seen reckless tech investors, housing investors, banksters, money printing "elite" banksters, pols & goooooobermints, and now the freaking nuclear/elec. power industry, and i prob missed a few, here. 

if you don't know what i'm gonna say next, you probably never will.  the only thing the alternatives lacked was the ROI and the Super Money Jackpot they could just sell in a liquid punch-bowl market, or trade to take over more of the industry or move on another, or both, given corporate insider "reality".  and,  we just nationalize most all the real costs  of the mess and maybe a few "non-quantifiable" losses, too.  anything else would have to be considered_ _ _ _ _ _, right?

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:29 | 1115422 chumbawamba
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Geez, you people are pathetic.  All this doom mongering is ridiculous.

It's one thing to discuss things one might do to prepare for and mitigate any potential radiation pollution.  It's quite another to predict the end of the human species on Earth.  Although, with the stupidity running rampant here, it may not be such a bad thing, nor necessarily an eventuality we will avoid (due to said stupidity).

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:54 | 1115527 RockyRacoon
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Doesn't say much for your prospects if you're hanging around with a bunch of pathetic folks, now does it?

For what it's worth, 'twas not I who junked ya.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 23:18 | 1115599 Matte_Black
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Mr Wamba:

I have great respect for your obvious intellect. You are mischaracterizing this discussion, sir.

Quit eavesdropping on the conversation over at the kid's table. You are getting confused.

That is all.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 00:47 | 1115924 chumbawamba
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http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guardian-reports-core-reactor-2-may-hav...

"I am pretty sure that there is enough above-ground radioactive material sitting in spent fuel pools and inside reactors to kill just about everyone."

Yeah, I mischaracterized the discussion.  I thought serious topics were discussed at the adult table.  I guess I was wrong.  I'll go back to the kiddie table now.

...

ZH used to be a place where discussions and debates held pretty strictly to reality.  There were really smart people with different interests and expertise and we meshed and jibed and helped to bring enlightenment to those who sought.

Now, as someone pointed out a while ago, we really do seem deluged with a bunch of spineless, whiny, witless, hapless dupes.  We are inundated with pointless conversations and arguments that come right out of the pages of places like Huffington Post.

It was bound to happen, "jumping the shark".  At some point ZH reached critical mass and started to go mainstream.  In another 6 months this place will be a hopless idiot bin.

This cannot be explained away by paid agents of Cass Sunstein.  There are just too many of you.  This is just organic idiocy, sprouting out of control like weeds.  It's not worth laying down the cost to spray them.  It's time to let the field lay fallow for a few seasons.

I guess I'm saying goodbye.

Not all at once, and not just now, but over time my attachment to this place will dwindle as those fond memories of the early days lapse.

Yes, it was a very special place at one time, Zero Hedge.  But that place has moved on, somewhere else in the ether.  I'll find you there.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 01:04 | 1115959 slewie the pi-rat
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wait,  shane!  b4 you go, why not just tell us how much spent and unspent fuel (in tons) is at the site and where, ok? 

help us out, ole chum!  we need you!

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 01:21 | 1115984 Matte_Black
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Yes, you will brother. I understand. Til then.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 03:23 | 1116110 Element
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The one thing I've noticed over the years (from going back and reading a Journal) is that our nostalgic memories tend to over-glamorize the past as better than it really was.

I suggest you go back and have an honest look at zh from two years ago.

You'll find it was you who changed.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 04:57 | 1116159 i-dog
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Agreed. "The good old days" were not that good!

We (on ZH) are far more aware now of what is REALLY going on, and this is because of the continuing interchange between the fringe and the sceptics that will awaken both sides to something closer to the actual reality.

Long live diversity and free speech! Fuck the censors and elitists!

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 06:32 | 1116246 ColonelCooper
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No.  Chumba's right.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 09:00 | 1116469 chumbawamba
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Yeah.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:50 | 1117208 RockyRacoon
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1 Year 38 Weeks  -- chumba

1 Year 34 Weeks  -- me

I'd say we've seen about the same at this site.  Our perceptions differ, however.

We are just two different observers of the same auto accident.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:53 | 1115014 mr_T
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You are ChupaPOLLAS,,, english trans (c*ck suckr) .... I am ... I am ... you aint shit..

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:31 | 1115426 Yen Cross
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You are really Missing Faceman, Murdoch, and Hannibal. It'sok big boy we have an injection to fix that.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:48 | 1115486 chumbawamba
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On the other hand, George Peppard, Dirk Benedict and Dwight Schultz were real class acts; took the time to talk to us and give us their autographs even in between scenes.

Unlike Mr. T who was, I gotta say, a nigger.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:36 | 1115445 chumbawamba
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You know, I actually met Mr. T when I was a kid.  Talk about an asshole.  When I asked him for an autograph he demanded $5, "for Jerry's Kids".

http://www.mdausa.org/telethon/

I think I was 11.

Why don't you go offer Mr. T fie dolla to suck him off?

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 20:45 | 1115142 Fearless Rick
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I am Chumbawamba.

No, you are the biggest ass-hole in the world.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:40 | 1115189 ZerOhead
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Chummy is an acquired taste... but clearly haven't met me yet! :)

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:57 | 1115310 Cistercian
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 I like him too...but he is a bit out of control today.

  Of course, being out of control is one of his endearing characteristics.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:14 | 1115331 ZerOhead
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He does have that quality about him doesn't he... but until you don't give a shit about junks you can never be truly free of the self imposed constraints of your ego and express your true thoughts here.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:37 | 1115449 Cistercian
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 True!

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:38 | 1115456 chumbawamba
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I am never out of control.

I am pushing in a very deliberate manner against walls that are just not there.  In other words, I am blowing right through them, but you all simply see the wall.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:45 | 1115497 Missing_Link
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Ah, so you're "WINNING!"

Charlie Sheen?  That you, bro?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:55 | 1115533 chumbawamba
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Sorry, man, not me.  Charlie is the master.  I can only bang 5 gram rocks.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:58 | 1115543 RockyRacoon
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Oh.  I got it now.  You are the prescient one.  We are just rubes.  Thanks for the clarification.  Just how many times did yo momma drop you on your head?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 00:50 | 1115933 chumbawamba
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Why did you insert yourself here just now?  So you could feel offended?  If it's that important for you, why don't you just go stand behind someone and wait for them to fart on you?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 01:14 | 1115973 RockyRacoon
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I'm not offended at all.  Just puzzled as to why you're not embarrassed.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 02:01 | 1116042 chumbawamba
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I am embarrassed to have stuck around so long.  Or to have come back.  I knew it would just lead to this.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:51 | 1117222 RockyRacoon
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Continue to offer constructive observations rather than stinging criticism and you'll likely find your stay more comfortable as well as instructive.  I can get mindless sensationalism from the boob-tube; I don't need nor expect to find it here.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 23:12 | 1115585 Cistercian
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Maybe I should have said epic.

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 20:33 | 1115114 YouBetYourLife
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Any idea whether this core melt now becomes hotter, as rods previously separated continue to fuse together, or cooler, as the mass spreads out on the concrete floor and exposes more surface area?

I guess it doesn't matter much, though.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:07 | 1115196 ZerOhead
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Cooler likely... for the time being. Depends on what falls out next... clearly most of the core is still inside or they'd have packed up and left by now.

But there are two others waiting in the wings... and don't forget the spent fuel issues...

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:21 | 1115212 JLee2027
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Does anyone really know? Are we in unprecedented territory?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:36 | 1115232 ZerOhead
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TEPCO knows. Bank on it. And they aren't showing us anything to dispell this scenario.

There are some Chernobylistas that may disagree... however until this crisis crests and situations are shown to be under some kind of control or have reached a stable thermal maxima... I would say YES... we are in uncharted waters.

North America for the time being is basically safe. When you see very large scale thermal distortions from incredible amounts of heat being released above the reactors? (Like the waviness of a desert mirage?)

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.blenderguru.com/wp-content...

X1000 or so.

Or strong surface winds blowing from ALL direction towards the reactors?

We are fucked.

Until then we are still a safe distance away. The general plant evacuations will occur first. The Japanese are the most at risk and that risk is immediate.

As in now.

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:48 | 1115280 T1000
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What happens when the ocean storms pick up the radioactive water that's leaking from Japan? Won't the rain water reach the US from the rain clouds that are created over the ocean? 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:56 | 1115304 jeff montanye
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no.  it doesn't seem bullish for the nuclear power industry, government/corporate partnerships or really much at all.  except commodities and puts on financial assets.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:13 | 1115371 ZerOhead
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Good one. You are unfortunately probably correct.

At low altitude with the current amount of radioactive release we are probably alright. If this continues for months then we are probably not.

If this escalates to major meltdown (total plant evacuations will be the clue) we will be statistically at risk at least as a people... though perhaps not at a high risk individually.

If the worst meltdown/spent fuel ignition case scenario occurs... and this stuff ends up in the jetstream (30,000 ft). It will hit the North American continent like a firehose.

That would be disasterous for crops and people generally.

Highly unlikely from what I have seen so far and as time goes on the likelihood of this kind of event diminishes.

Don't loose sleep yet.

Unless you are Japanese.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:59 | 1115555 RockyRacoon
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Can't wait for the frankenmaters and neutrinomelons to come outta California.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:04 | 1115336 YouBetYourLife
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clearly most of the core is still inside or they'd have packed up and left by now.

After seeing the willingness of the Fukushima 50 to risk death, I'm not sure we can make that assumption.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 23:45 | 1115725 TerraHertz
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Whether the 'Fukushima 50' actually exist is far from clear. Everything has been second hand reports, and for what should be a major story, details are very, very thin. All articles repeat the same few details - comments by TEPCO executives, one or two supposed wives  praising their husband's bravery, etc.

Not one photo of the crew inside the reactor buildings, no radio contacts, no lists of names, no comments on what financial rewards are being set up for them and their families, no mention of their interaction with the other teams (firefighters, electricians, etc) who run in from distant bases, do some work as quickly as possible, then withdraw again.

If they exist, kudos to them. But I think they don't.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 02:23 | 1116065 Reptil
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http://english.cntv.cn/20110328/102896.shtml

there was also a video; guys running around with flashlights and detectors doing peep...peep........peeppeeppeeppeep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBZvdPC5h5k

http://en.rian.ru/video/20110323/163162247.html

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 05:53 | 1116218 TerraHertz
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http://english.cntv.cn/20110328/102896.shtml

Begins with stuff about firemen responding. Then stuff about the plant workers, with one pic of a guy next to a boat. Still no actual pics of/by the plant workers on site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBZvdPC5h5k

Entirely about firemen.

http://en.rian.ru/video/20110323/163162247.html

Common stuff, firemen, outside views, evacuations - where they are vague about who evacuated so you don't know if it's just people who were only there briefly anyway.

Call me cynical; but I believe nothing but pictures, and text supported by pictures. If the permanent onsite workers were real I'd expect supporting pictures by now. But still nothing, only words.

Not that I'd expect anyone to stay there like the 'Fukushima 50' are claimed to.

What I object to is the lying about it.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:43 | 1115266 CrazyCooter
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You want to wiki "criticality".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticality_accident

I would welcome an analogy for anyone out there with working experience in the nuke space. I kind of have the impression this beast is "idling" and if it gets hot enough it will become critical again and produce far more heat than is currently being produced.

Regards,

Cooter

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:33 | 1115432 trav7777
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heat should retard criticality...see "doppler broadening"

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 00:00 | 1115779 TerraHertz
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Only if the physical configuration is constant. When mounds of core rubble and random other junk is melting and flowing, that is not so. Under those conditions it is quite possible for new critical configurations to arise. Or existing ones to get worse.

We all know that announcement a few days ago of 'neutron beams' detected some kilometers from the reactors was probably a translation or spin error. At the time I assumed they meant single fast neutrons detected. But... supposing the original meaning was 'neutron pulses'? ie short bursts of fast neutrons?

That would indicate flowing corium, undergoing brief criticalities, with the heat produced each time blowing the critical configuration apart.

Ouch. Now I think about it, this seems a more likely interpretation. Detection of a few fast neutrons, likely from airborn radioactives as one would expect, seemed a very pointless thing to make an announcement about. Neutron flux pulses on the other hand... crap.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 03:03 | 1116098 MSimon
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I think random beams are possible from unexpected criticalitty in a random assembly.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 23:48 | 1115722 Money Squid
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I nuke stuff in the oven all the time.

Criticality accidents can happen in liquid form too http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear/radevents/1962USA1.html   

 

Here is a nice list of other criticality accidents from the same source, Japan 1999 is an interesting one..

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear/radevents/1999JAP1.html

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:45 | 1114978 crazyjsmith
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And the almighty Market shrugs it off.   

When does the public lose faith in these fake indices and start paying attention to the shit that matters...

Like who is up next on Dancing with the Stars?  Any one willing to bet it's Snooky?  Let's get this Tango party started!! 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:10 | 1115199 sunny
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When does the public lose faith in these fake indices and start paying attention to the shit that matters...

How dare you suggest that Greek and Portugese rating drops, euroland on the brink of the abyss, national and international debt, Benny and Timmy doing everything possible to destroy the value of the dollar, Japanese reactors reacting, and the nationally recognized loss of faith in Obama as Commander-in-Chief should be more important than Home Depot reporting a good quarter.  Sheiiish, the nerve of some people.

sunny

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:51 | 1115284 CrazyCooter
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Ok, so riddle me this. What can I do with my money stuck in a 401k? Money market (B.Gross bailed on that one)? Stocks (what I am supposed to be getting out of)? Bonds?

I think there is a great deal of money "locked" into the system. Those outflows hit when folks retire or get a chance to cash out their retirement funds.

The government bought the rest, so there are no sellers left.

(I know that isn't true but that is my inner cynic posting on ZH)

Regards,

Cooter

EDIT: Oops, meant to reply to crazyjsmith.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:04 | 1115326 jeff montanye
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your best bet is miner stocks.  roll out to a self directed ira helps greatly but not all can.  the actual investment possibilities are unique to each plan.   but yes there is a conspiracy to buy their "goods and services".

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:19 | 1115389 CrazyCooter
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Anything I could move (old funds) is parked in a safe deposit box.

However, my present employer has options A through Z and that is it. That is my point; my choices are controlled. In the end, the retirement funds are going to be the bag holders. I hold no faith that I will see the real purchasing power I have saved projected through time to my retirement date.

I simply have to adjust and take care of myself.

Regards,

Cooter

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 23:15 | 1115595 Founders Keeper
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[What can I do with my money stuck in a 401k?]---CrazyCooter

Hi Crazy. Hard to say what your options are without more info, employment status, age, etc.

Your 401k. Are you still with your employer? If Yes, ask your employer:

1.) How much money you can withdraw as a taxable distribution. Varies per employer.

2.) How much money can you rollover into a self-directed IRA.

3.) How much money can you borrow from your 401k.

4.) Look up Substantially Equal Periodic Payments (SEPP).

If you are NO longer with the employer that administered your 401k:

A) Roll your 401k into a self-directed IRA.

B) Roll your 401k into an IRA, and then take taxable distributions. Pay the early withdraw penalty, as the case may be.  

These are options to consider. Some of these "rules" may now be out-dated. Read all the fine print, tax consequences, loan obligations, etc. etc.

If you want to go full-on cowboy, go with option B.

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:53 | 1115301 YouBetYourLife
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Well, as has been said many times, it's no longer a market.  It's a casino.

And just because there are a few pesky fires in the casino, you don't need to step away from the gambling tables . . . just yet.  Not until the hair on your arm is burning.  Then you grab as many of your melting chips as you can and run toward the exit like everyone else.  And hope you can get out in time.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 23:12 | 1115586 YouBetYourLife
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Voting is now open for the official Fukushima Theme Song.

One nomination has been received for Deep Purple's "Smoke on the Water."

Another has been made for this catchy little tune:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdRo7okHCAc&feature=related

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 00:05 | 1115801 TerraHertz
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Dunno about a theme song. But this is definitely the backing video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z_ZxTB8mqbk
Mount Fuji in Red -- Akira Kurosawa's Dreams
"The six reactors are exploding, one after another" - amazing.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 00:26 | 1115878 Money Squid
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Born to be wasted (with some Viet Nam footage) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyhpnDpe1xI

or

Eve of Destruction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntLsElbW9Xo

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 03:31 | 1116115 MurderNeverWasLove
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How about the Love Song of J Frank Parnell:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VKzqAefBVY

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 16:45 | 1114297 I think I need ...
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the should have cemented it in by now

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 16:53 | 1114335 SloMoe
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Neat, a "Perpetual Lava Lamp" (tm).

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 17:26 | 1114481 Commander Cody
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Core on the Floor!

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:45 | 1115272 Thomas
Thomas's picture

Clever

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 23:00 | 1115557 YouBetYourLife
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March Madness.

The Final Core.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 17:20 | 1114453 Sudden Debt
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the Russians only needed 220.000 "volunteers" to work on that sarcophagus of which 34.000 died of cancer caused by the radiation.

Wanna help?

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:04 | 1114638 Cdad
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This story on Fukushima reactor #2 breach still has almost no uptake beyond here and the Gaurdian.  Fascinating.  No reaction in futures, US or Japan [oops...Japan now starting to leak a bit lower].  

The Fast Money crew exchanging quips about their irrelevant stock market/Final Four tweet-a-thon tournament, yucking in up in front of their ever plunging viewer base.  Squawk Europe...no mention.   The intellectually challenged Tyler Mathisen, sending the good vibes across the pond to Europe, thinks Blackrock in the S&P is the lead story to hand off.

It is so nice to live in the new Global Marxist/Banker paradigm.  Nothing but lies in all directions.  No reality, man. 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:17 | 1114693 Cognitive Dissonance
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Truly insane behaviour. A tail wagging the dog type of experience where as long as the market goes up, the inference is that bad news really isn't that bad. If it were, the market would have dropped. Ergo while things might appear to be bad, they simply can't be because the market, that so called ultimate rational animal, isn't worried.

Circular logic is always perfectly logical and very satisfying. Worse, it creates a sense of deep down fear in the bellies of those who are aware and see nothing being done about the obvious problems. Almost as if there is a line of cars on the coastal road of Japan and everyone sees the tsunami coming. However, because the traffic is still moving and no one is panicking, everyone stays with the herd and does nothing. And the proof is that even though the water is coming, everything is all right now, thus there is no problem.

Sometimes it makes you question your own sanity.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:25 | 1114722 Arthor Bearing
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Don't question your sanity, there's no such thing as sanity and actually we're all batshit together :)

Most people take their cues from other people. In an age of near-total mechanization, we're more dependant on our syncronization with others than any people ever were before. Becoming more and more like ants. It is a rare man who can generates his own course of action and thus provide cues for others. And it's always been those people's responsibility to act upon what they see, rather than pretending to be sheeple like everyone else.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 09:59 | 1116654 Kobe Beef
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try yoga, if you are looking for a discipline to free your mind. It works. takes time, though.

namaste,

Beef

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:00 | 1114833 ZerOhead
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+1000

You possess the best understanding of the human condition on this site by far.

Soon they will also understand the Bernanke 'economic miracle' for what it truly is. When BB allows them to. Well after the fact. Until then it's a full out frontal assault on deflation! :)

Listen up guys...

If the reactor cores were publicly announced as breached the consequences would be dire for the nation.  Economic output would fall off a cliff as the hamster wheels ceased turning. Formerly stoic Japanese spokesmen would be in tears thinking of what was to become of their beloved country. (Didn't something like that happen already?)

Best just to raise radiation(QE) limits and put some spit and polish on this turd and hope things get better.

It won't.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:07 | 1115345 jeff montanye
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from what i see the hamster wheels are at least slowing down.  quickly.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:58 | 1114836 ZerOhead
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.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:59 | 1114845 Cdad
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Indeed, brother Cog,

I watch how stocks actually physically behave in this ridiculous, zero participation environment.  A block of calls are purchased...for pennies...the HFT magic lifting terminator comes in and puts out millions of dollars in order to advance the shares toward the strike, maybe traveling 3-5% in less than and hour...the calls are dumped...the shares retreat but end slightly higher then where they began.  The market records that the issue is up....and the market is up...and this, of course, as the dollar implodes...the primary tool of this almost perpetual bid by the criminal syndicate.  Talking heads speak of economic recovery through the night and how much pain the average citizen can take at the pump before his Abercrombie and Fitch calls might be at jeopardy.

A banker takes his position before the camera and begins to tell a story about Libya.  He chatters on about this and that, a plane crash, people dying, until he comes forth with his lunatic notion that this story should translate into an extra dollar on a barrel of oil...and then the spot price of oil reports to his suggest price within minutes.  He talks about how "investors" agree...and the market rewards the worst and dumbest trader in the world getting long futures as ES ramps into the close.

We are now in the care of Big Brother, all of us.  The financial news reports on Netflix content negotiations and Bob Pisani gets excited about the endless irrational market behavior...a 20+ year veteran of the floor.  Our president makes demands of an insane dictator including the level of utility services that shall be available to a group of rebels in the act of revolution...or else. 

Some of us do have little alcoves where we can still sit and think, and indeed, we move towards madness as the herd does its calisthenics and chases Netflix in the AH.

Seeing it is......breathtaking.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:51 | 1115005 Bendromeda Strain
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This was all telegraphed from the earliest moments after the TARP negotiations. We have not a student of the Great Depression at the helm, but a Doctor of same. It was trivial for the Princeton prof to convince the overwhelmed Obama that the Dow is all there is. Forget everything else we know from the 30's, the GD is universally represented by The Chart. No chart, no Depression. Levitate the Dow and you can make the Great Recession into a lowercase event. For a while, anyway. Obama got his marching orders and told us all that the bottom was in and it was a great time to get into the market. He knew it was so, because he was told it was so.

So now we go to war with Eastasia and await our chocolate ration increase. Yum.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 10:02 | 1116668 Kobe Beef
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What!? Eastasia? I thought it was Eurasia. Dammit! Now I gotta change all my signs for Hate Week.

Sorry to clutter the thread, but 1984 is one of my favorite books.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:23 | 1114915 Reptil
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Aaaaah yes. I've come to realise one thing:

You know who will win this "end game"? The ones that stay alive, and are able to raise offspring in a healthy environment. Everyone else loses. Everything else is a losing strategy. Making big bucks (as an individual) is only one step. Siding with a winning team is another. That MUST be the lesson of Fukushima: long term survival of the species trumps short term profit. The nuclear fission guys, though they've offered energy and weapons, are NOT the winning team. They had their chance, and now they've ruined it. The whining and the lies don't change that fact.

I'm happy to find some sanity here on ZH (and a few other places). Starknaked, cold, functional sanity.

Thanks all! Keep it up, please?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:49 | 1114991 Dapper Dan
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I Dapper Dan have copy and stored  articles from many web sites over the last couple of years.

I was reviewing my files today and noticed that the only comments  ( and there are hundreds) that I have copied and stored are from the beloved site Zero Hedge.

 cudos and thanks to all of you, particularly CD

Dapper.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 20:20 | 1115079 destiny
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Well, If you'd just stop watching your navels for a sec...here some  literature that could become handy one of these forthcoming days...well, after you 'll have finished congratulating yourselves on how great you are...

 http://www.nukepills.com/docs/nuclear_war_survival_skills.pdf

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 20:34 | 1115117 shinola
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Wow CD,

 

"...it creates a sense of deep down fear in the bellies of those who are aware and see nothing being done about the obvious problems."

 

I wish I had written  that.  That really strikes to the heart of it all.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:33 | 1115239 prophet
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My take on the general and market reaction to this and other "disastrous" events including the 2008 freeze is:

Worse than you imagined, not as bad as it could have been.

This leads to a tempering of both pessimistic and optimistic outlooks.  Concern and relief are occurring together.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:38 | 1115455 TerraHertz
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I too study the human race's developing insanity with amazement. Delusional belief systems, circular logic constructs, insane memetics, abstractions of complexity till physical reality is completely lost to view... It's apparently true, humans really CAN be led to believe any stupid shit, no matter how demented the underlying assumptions.

It's also apparently true that the above has been understood by a few throughout history. The problem is that those few seem to always exploit this sad reality for their own advantage. I call them the meme-crafters - those who construct religions - with themselves as the high priests. Who weave social orders - with themselves as the royalty or 'great leaders'. Those who fund scribblers such as Karl Marx, to sit in a library and write them a contagious ideology useful to enslave entire nations. And coincidentally murder tens of millions of people with the misfortune of belonging to the wrong 'tribe'. Even the odd sleazy charlatan such as L. Ron Hubbard, who once made a bar room bet he could start a religion. He won the bet; Scientology still growing like the evil memetic cancer it is.

It occured to me that if shitheads like Hubbard can do it, why not try it myself? It is possible to do this with good intent instead of evil, and there are historical examples to prove it. The American founders made a fine attempt, but they missed a few critical details essential to the long term preservation of Justice and individual freedom. It didn't originally occur to them that the meme could be given teeth and claws, as well as a beautiful form. The second amendment afterthought went a little way in that direction but didn't get the underlying concept clear; didn't grasp the nettle firmly.

Plus there's technology, a finite planet, thermodynamics, the fundamental nature of digital information, genetics, the issue of non-human 'legal entities' like corporations, and many other practical realities that have never in human existence been integrated sensibly and stably into a 'social order'. I have come to believe it CAN be done.

Anyway, so I've a work in progress. Two parts - where we need to be, and how to get there from here. No point attempting to solve one without the other. Current status: Not finished. May never come to anything. But it might. "If you want something done right, do it yourself."

Which leads to my point in commenting - the collective guilt of present financial elites, for events such as Fukushima. Not to mention Iraq (x2), Afghanistan, Libya, DU weapons, global poverty and the rich-poor divide, and the present insanity of ultra-abstracted financial instruments and rigged markets. Silver and gold not the least of them. Perpetuated by monolithic, tribal collusion amongst government, media and law enforcement.

Is there any workable solution to these problems? No, not without a total reboot of the social order. The cancer is too deeply rooted.
So for now we have to just sit and 'enjoy' out part in the inevitable train wreck. The best we can do is attempt to protect ourselves from the worst of the smash-up (silver seatbelts!) and try to maintain a sense of humor.

Such as this idle thought. It's a joke, OK? Not practical or serious.
Wouldn't it be satisfying if, after the revolution, some sort of justice could be applied.
How about, the financial elites all sentenced to public lashings. Something like one lash for every $100 million of paper assets personally controlled, at a given date. 'Mark to market', on your flesh, you bastards! I'd be pleased to see the current super 'rich' flogged to death.

Or perhaps it might be more useful to have them work a bucket brigade line, passing hand-loads of cement to Fukushima. Along these lines:
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/print/534
Who Are the Liquidators?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 23:25 | 1115631 RockyRacoon
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Thanks for your comment.   Also, I like the nixie tube.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 01:27 | 1115995 Unlawful Justice
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"Sometimes it makes you question your own sanity."

No, it's a mark of sanity to question it.  It's all those for sure I question.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:46 | 1114780 Tunga
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Ah; Sudden Debt; is that a decimal point or a comma after 34?

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 02:42 | 1116079 piceridu
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for us Europeans, a period means comma in numbers: 34.000 = 34,000

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:02 | 1115180 PenGun
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 They were drafted by population. Each etnic group was represented proportionally.

 There were 600,000 workers. They did rotate them well though and most of them did not suffer ill effects. Howevere most of 600,000 leaves a lot who did.

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 16:58 | 1114356 trav7777
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well it wasn't sensationalist.

And it's bad news but not TEOTW.

You'll recall I said over a week ago that they should basically let the cores melt; I thought at that time that it was inevitable.

If it's true that TEPCO was going to abandon the facility at day 3, they should be hanged; I mean that seriously.  This would explain their inability or unwillingness to do anything at the outset of the disaster and why there were whispers that the US "strongly suggested" helo water drops and fire hoses.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 17:14 | 1114424 moneymutt
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really, they were going to abandon? by that you mean quit cooling and try for containment or just walk away, throw up hands? If latter true, yes that is what capital punishment should be for. The US had to convince them to try to do something that may not cure situation but would at least mitigate it, especially given entombment my not have been effective...wtf?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:50 | 1114812 davepowers
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that was my take of the reports that the Prime Minister cursed the TEPCO group - that the radiation levels and complications were such that they (TEPCO) were going to withdraw from the reactor fight. Hound dog hits the middle of a field of briars and just sits down an give up. Or they suddenly found worker safety as a convenient excuse.

But I haven't seen a followup on this idea.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 20:29 | 1115103 Bicycle Repairman
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Speaking of capital punishment:

"workers at the site appeared to have "lost the race" to save the reactor"

If these reactors have not been forthrightly shut down and entombed, because TEPCO stakeholders wanted to pull put all of the stops to save their precious reactors, then the reaction should be endless, bloody outrage directed at the entire industry and its regulators.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:28 | 1114734 Broder_Tuck
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Why the junks? He seems to be well behaved, and making sense. Ladies and gentlemen, c'mon!

 

Hanged? You're damned right. In the nearest cooling tower. Could not have said it better myself.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:42 | 1114976 slewie the pi-rat
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trav is a junk-magnet.  one of the best! 

tyler got a nice tip 0' the hat from GATA's Chris Powell (fr. goldSeek):

Thanks to Zero Hedge's pseudonymous Tyler Durden tonight for unearthing the long statement submitted this month by World Gold Council CEO Aram Shishmanian to the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission in opposition to the commission's proposal to impose limits on traders' positions in the precious metals futures markets.

there are 63 fuel rods in a bundle and about 600 bundles in that core.  we can only hope his logic of meltdown is faulty.  then we have the stuff that is "spent and cooling" in the same reactor, "upstairs", as it were.  how they gonna hose that down?  and, for many, the spent fuel is where the greatest danger lurks.  "there was no danger of a Chernobyl-style catastrophe."  i guess that means the expolosion(s) won't be as big, or that if there is one that big, it won't be from "chemicals".

if this is true, we have a melted core (lava), in a pool of water.  hey!  throw throw in a coupla tankerloads of different colored paints, and whaddya got???

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:53 | 1115016 Broder_Tuck
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a skittle-shitting unicorn?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 01:08 | 1115966 slewie the pi-rat
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Mes-moron-i-corn.  bring yer own skittlez.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 10:20 | 1116736 Kobe Beef
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Agreed. This post doesn't deserve to be junked. And I dont wanna be the junk police either.

A thought experiment: what if the Japanese government considered the costs of borrowing all that money to rebuild the tohoku region. And then said, nah, it's not worth it. Wouldn't a 100km+ exclusion zone solve that "rebuilding" problem? Make it a relatively cheaper "relocation" problem instead.

Merely speculating. However, the one thing Japanese governments are good at is hiding the truth, shielding the decision makers, and then eviscerating a scapegoat.

$0.02,

Beef

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:57 | 1114839 goldfish1
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Tepco abandoning the facilty at Day Three?

http://theintelhub.com/2011/03/29/maximum-alert-in-japan-over-fukushima-...

"Meanwhile the Head of TEPCO has all but vanished since a 9.0 earthquake and tsunami devastated Japan on March 11th. He was last seen on the 13th which has led many to speculate that he has left the country.

Amid rumors that Shimizu had fled the country, checked into a hospital or committed suicide, company officials said Monday that their boss had suffered an unspecified “small illness” because of overwork after a 9.0-magnitude earthquake sent a tsunami crashing onto his company’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, reported the Washington Post.

There is no way to tell if Shimizu is actually in Tokyo due to the fact that no one has actually seen him."

ruh roh

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:22 | 1114902 willien1derland
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Ruh Roh is right Goldfish - I work for a Japanese company & NO ONE CAN DELIVER BAD NEWS - issues must fully detonate & then they are addressed - this cultural behavior has taken me years to understand & appreciate - the issue is that when the news can no longer be manipulated or spun - all hell breaks lose - What if TD's assessment is correct & there is a significant inhabitable quarantine zone - what happens then? Ruh Roh happens - great post 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 20:03 | 1115036 slewie the pi-rat
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i was talking with a bartender this afternoon about pre-cognition when a japanese friend of mine came up beside me.  "Where you been?"  layin low.

i told her i was so, so sad and worried, too,  about japan.  i asked about her family.  "Oh! They're in Tokyo!  They're fine!"

she looked like the winner of a stress contest and had gained at least 10 lbs.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 05:15 | 1116186 StychoKiller
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In the hospital, suffering from high blood pressure (stress can be a killer!)

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 17:29 | 1114482 andybev01
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059065/

A reasonable substitute.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 16:15 | 1114088 ZerOhead
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Hey Trav... sorry to junk post after you but this seems a great place to post one of the best (and most colorful) reactor diagrams I have found.

Just so we know where a hole in the bottom is!

http://dailyinfographic.com/fukushima-reactor-infographic

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 16:48 | 1114287 ZerOhead
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Oh right... time to pull a Reggie here...

I called it March 18th! :)

by ZerOhead
on Fri, 03/18/2011 - 18:23
#1073671

 

Depends on the dispersion of the molten reactor fuel intermixed with the liquified steel of the 20 cm. thick reactor vessel. Once it drops out it will burn downward through stainless steel and the 17 foot thick concrete floor  until it fails to create enough heat (through dilution with concrete and/or what's below) to go any further.

Then it will probably smoulder for months.

But that is just a guess. ;)

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 17:40 | 1114547 malikai
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There's a pretty good wikipedia about corium which explains many of the processes involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 17:45 | 1114565 ZerOhead
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Nice find.

Three Mile finished product.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:55 | 1114824 Babushka
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That sounds like a reason for the first hidrogen explosion:

Flooding of the corium mass with water, or falling of molten corium mass into a water pool, may result in a temperature spike and production of large amounts of hydrogen which can result in a pressure spike in the containment vessel. The steam explosion resulting from such sudden corium-water contact can disperse the materials, forming projectiles that may damage the containment by impact. Further pressure spikes can be caused by combustion of the released hydrogen. Detonation risks can be mitigated by the use of catalytic hydrogen recombiners

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:11 | 1114874 ZerOhead
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Too late for mitigation now. I'm just curious to know where the initial reactor vessel breach occured that allowed the release of the hydrogen gas the blew the joint(s) apart.

Anyone?

Oh... and if you wish to remove multiple posts (my record is around 13...) just hit 'edit' at the bottom of the comment and backspace the text out! (Leave a dot or something in :)

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 20:33 | 1115116 wisefool
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BenB is not amused. We use commas instead of dots. commas show you have journaliztic style and cost is not an option.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 23:37 | 1115690 RockyRacoon
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Right click, hit "select all", hit period key.  Easy.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:59 | 1114838 Babushka
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That sounds like a reason for the first hidrogen explosion:

Flooding of the corium mass with water, or falling of molten corium mass
into a water pool, may result in a temperature spike and production of
large amounts of hydrogen which can result in a pressure spike in the
containment vessel. The steam explosion
resulting from such sudden corium-water contact can disperse the
materials, forming projectiles that may damage the containment by
impact. Further pressure spikes can be caused by combustion of the
released hydrogen. Detonation risks can be mitigated by the use of
catalytic hydrogen recombiners

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:57 | 1114840 Babushka
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That sounds like a reason for the first hidrogen explosion:

Flooding of the corium mass with water, or falling of molten corium mass
into a water pool, may result in a temperature spike and production of
large amounts of hydrogen which can result in a pressure spike in the
containment vessel. The steam explosion
resulting from such sudden corium-water contact can disperse the
materials, forming projectiles that may damage the containment by
impact. Further pressure spikes can be caused by combustion of the
released hydrogen. Detonation risks can be mitigated by the use of
catalytic hydrogen recombiners

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 00:45 | 1115917 Dantzler
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It might smoulder for months or it might hit the water table sooner.

Any one who has done much foundry casting knows what superheated water in your mold can do...

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 16:16 | 1114091 depression
depression's picture

the good news is the lava did not melt through the concrete floor... yet

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 16:26 | 1114159 Sudden Debt
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As long as it doesn't get to the center of the earth we're save...

 

ps: the real "unliveable" erea is 500 km² (=Chernobyl erea) and not 100 km² = Japan.

Word of the month = RELOCATION

IT WILL DO WONDERS TO THE US HOUSING MARKET AS ALL THOSE JAPS NEED TO BUY A NEW HOUSE!

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 16:31 | 1114210 Infinite QE
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Probably lots of Hawaii and CA real estate adverts being translated into Japanese ASAP. 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 17:13 | 1114425 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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""Probably lots of Hawaii and CA real estate adverts being translated into Japanese ASAP.""

Five Reasons Why Canada's Four Western Provinces is the Safest Quadrant on this Planet....

http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-canadas-four-western-provinces-is.html

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 17:28 | 1114493 mick_richfield
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I will not live in a region where one of the main cultural centers is called "Yellowknife", where one of the most popular sports involves sliding big rocks over ice, and where they have Robert Service Poetry Slams for a good time. 

Eh?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 17:35 | 1114530 steve from virginia
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There are 50 more reactors in Japan, BTW.

Country goes broke, who or what will take care of them?

Y'know, like twenty years from now?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:00 | 1114618 Ethics Gradient
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Most people round here can't get there heads around surviving to see May.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 19:29 | 1114931 mick_richfield
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Are you a GSV?   SC?  ( I won't tell. )

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 04:14 | 1116140 Ethics Gradient
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Inspired by, I suppose.

It seemed like an appropriate sentiment - albeit the name attributes me with more intelligence than I actually have.

I'm crap at nom de guerres.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 20:50 | 1115151 wisefool
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More like April 14th.

If you pay your mortgage off in the USA. why would you live and work in any particular place in the CONUS gradient?

LLMs/galt want to know more.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 20:36 | 1115115 Pegasus Muse
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Why Canada's Four Western Provinces is the Safest Quadrant on this Planet ...

Two problems:  Sasquatch; Cascadia Megathrust Earthquakes

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 22:03 | 1115332 CrazyCooter
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I call and raise you Alaska.

Regards,

Cooter

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 16:34 | 1114229 Cash_is_Trash
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You crack me up Sudden.

They should build a Kansai Airport-type floating housing complex.

Japan had scarce land, scarce agricultural area and now its getting butt-fucked with radiation.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 17:57 | 1114604 johnQpublic
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the newest NINJA loans

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 18:02 | 1114628 Black Swans
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Now its clear why the US used HAARP agaisnt Japan. Thanks for the info. /sarc

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