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Guardian Reports Core At Reactor 2 May Have Melted To Concrete Floor, Radioactive Lava Next?
And another update from Fukushima on its route to the concrete dome, irradiated ground water, and a 100 km "no live zone" from the Guardian:
The radioactive core in a reactor at the crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant appears to have melted through the bottom of its containment vessel and on to a concrete floor, experts say, raising fears of a major release of radiation at the site.
The warning follows an analysis by a leading US expert of radiation levels at the plant. Readings from reactor two at the site have been made public by the Japanese authorities and Tepco, the utility that operates it.
Richard Lahey, who was head of safety research for boiling-water reactors at General Electric when the company installed the units at Fukushima, told the Guardian workers at the site appeared to have "lost the race" to save the reactor, but said there was no danger of a Chernobyl-style catastrophe.
Workers have been pumping water into three reactors at the stricken plant in a desperate bid to keep the fuel rods from melting down, but the fuel is at least partially exposed in all the reactors.
At least part of the molten core, which includes melted fuel rods and zirconium alloy cladding, seemed to have sunk through the steel "lower head" of the pressure vessel around reactor two, Lahey said.
"The indications we have, from the reactor to radiation readings and the materials they are seeing, suggest that the core has melted through the bottom of the pressure vessel in unit two, and at least some of it is down on the floor of the drywell," Lahey said. "I hope I am wrong, but that is certainly what the evidence is pointing towards."
The good news is that the next step will not be a Chernobyl type explosion, or so the GE expert believes, but a far more "benign" radioactive lava escalation.
The major concern when molten fuel breaches a containment vessel is that it reacts with the concrete floor of the drywell underneath, releasing radioactive gases into the surrounding area. At Fukushima, the drywell has been flooded with seawater, which will cool any molten fuel that escapes from the reactor and reduce the amount of radioactive gas released.
Lahey said: "It won't come out as one big glob; it'll come out like lava, and that is good because it's easier to cool."
The drywell is surrounded by a secondary steel-and-concrete structure designed to keep radioactive material from escaping into the environment. But an earlier hydrogen explosion at the reactor may have damaged this.
So you see: there is no reason to worry, and it is everyone's patriotic duty to BTFD as the "QE3 on - QE3 off" daily speculation reaches a schizophrenic crescendo.
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I cant believe the groundskeeper from caddyshack scared the shit out of me .
What the world needs now is to know... WWJBD?
What Would Justin Beaver Do?
trav is about as useful as those Libyan rebels these days
No need to insult the Libyan rebels like that, they have enough to worry about.
I've been hearing rumors that what the Mad Colonel said has some truth in it - there are some "Al Qeada" like characteristics to some of the rebel groups. I think some people in London and Paris are seriously starting to worry what they have got themselves into... That's the problem with getting rid of dictators, you never know what's coming after them..
http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2011/03/weekly-geopolitical-news-and-analysis20110328-planned-nuclear-and-tsunami-attack-against-japan-is-just-the-beginning.html
anybody hear of this guy?
A very controversial and outspoken journalist, extremely well researched author and former writer for Forbes magazine as its Asian Bureau chief. Fulford became famous on the Internet and in conspiracy theory circles after he managed to get an in depth interview with David Rockefeller...debate is open as to whether his truthtelling stories are founded or just baloney, chances are that he's got some interesting leads.
THANKS for the laugh. Reading through that site just reminds us that whack-jobs off their meds tend to congregate together.
Well - I clicked on the link and here was one of the comments on the thread...
"FYI, the sardines in Redondo Beach a while back were metaphorical and predictive of the attack on Japan.
The ecosystem of planet earth has high intelligence. They do not speak human language such English although I think they are attempting to learn. They communicate metaphorically seeing correlations in human behavior.
Sardines are fish, just as women are sometimes referred to as fish. To the ecosystem (insects, plants, and animal life), this isn't a language reference, but a correlation they detect. Communicating as warnings. Communicating what is happening. And taking casualties to protect the ecosystem.
They wish for human life to stop attacking the ecosystem and clean up their mess. They are currently balancing out the decision between wiping out all human life to prevent further attacks upon them, or allowing humans to live so they can clean up their mess.
I realize is this is a strong statement, but that ecosystem chose me as their ambassador. And the governments refuse to acknowledge that"
Sardines? The Squid?
It's all making sense to me now!
True.......disgusting.
It is my understanding that dispersion is what is feared here.
Does anyone know how deep the water table is below the plant?
After a tsunami ?
AT the coastline? I'd guess it's pretty shallow.
I seem to recall a rocky outcrop from some of the wider shots. I was hoping it might be sitting on one of those that just goes straight down, so it wouldn't hit water for 100 feet or more.
Wishful thinking, perhaps.
Haha, everyone pile on Trav because he said "borax" when he meant "boric acid".
Let's see if we can further devolve this discussion into inanity. I think we can sink lower yet.
I am Chumbwamba.
borax is a salt of boric acid, is it not? Mix with water, pour.
Wiki lists among other uses of borax: "Neutron absorber, used in nuclear reactors and spent fuel pools to control reactivity and to shut down a nuclear chain reaction"
Naw, I think I meant what I said...
Well done . However the boric solution or BORAX will be part of a substraight. Water completes a chain reaction. Neutron exchange. They will dry the pile and encase it. Other wise you run the risk of another explosion. The containment well is concrete, reinforced by steel and more concrete. I realize this is complete conjecture at this point. Every Nuclear accident seems to be unique and just as dangerous. I think @ least 3 other reactors are in a very precarious state right now. These are not HI output reactors. Like 3mile and San Onefre.
They oughtta just fly you in to Fukushima.
Problem solved.
Here he is, ladies: Mr. Right.
Your search is over. Let the courting begin.
What to do! What to do! Stop reading everything and BTFD.
What FD?
Fuk-U-Shima!
My new Mexican Lady said "Oh Papito...Mas!...Mas!!" last night. Can anyone tell me what that means?
It means she was fantasizing about a guy named Pancho.
Yes. It means she wanted more than you had to offer.
hehe +100
ya beat me to it! I was gonna say it in spanish. La mujer quiere mas que usted puede ofrecerla
I believe she was ordering the burrito supreme.
No, no, no, she was ordering the "crunchy" burrito, the one that increased in price by 50 cents.
La mujer de tio bigs/traduccion:
"Necesito diez pulgadas o mas."
no danger of a Chernobyl-style catastrophe.
what?
isnt that exactly what we have ?
to me, a chernobyl style catastrophe would involve a fukked up nuclear plant spewing shit into the environment
and this one is what...spewing gumdrops?
"no danger of a Chernobyl-style catastrophe"
No, there isn't.
This catastrophe will have a completely different style...
That's what I said a few days ago, and the reason why they are desperate to pump the water out of the basement (reference "The Battle of Chernobyl"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiCXb1Nhd1o )
This was the "Only" thing that saved Chernobyl from being a catastrophic world event. I know they keep saying thats it's in the turbine buildings, but I don't believe a word of it. The water is under the reactors. !
Anybody who would like to understand just what 'entombment' at Fukushima means should watch "Battle of Chernobyl". It is a stunning account of what happened there, and it's free to watch.
The most salient point the film makes, imo, is the human cost.
It is estimated that an aggregate 40,000 lives have ended as a result of the effort.
Chernobyl was one reactor.
Fukushima is four reactors.
There are several major power plants in the immediate area, I found at least 6, maybe7 last night on Google Earth. Here's the coordinates;
37°14'9.84"N 141° 1'1.18"E
37°18'58.88"N 141° 1'35.93"E
37°25'16.24"N 141° 2'2.36"E
37°39'57.90"N 141° 1'13.81"E
37°50'34.24"N 140°56'50.70"E
38°19'5.02"N 141° 4'24.06"E
I would think that all of these power plants got blow torched and monkey hammered.
I'll tell you what brother, I'm beginning to think we don't know the half of it yet.
Interesting catch. One shudders.
Surely the Japanese have some hardened next generation robots that will clean this up in a jif. If not are you saying "send in the bio-robots?"
Many here just talk and don't listen or do investigation. I watched a Chernobyl documentary and was stunned.
I have been doing both talking and listening. So let's put millions of lives at risk because we won't sacrifice 160,000 to entomb the fucker? I know we could get volunteers if we told them their families would be taken care of in perpetuity and all their children would be given guaranteed full benefit college scholarships. plus 200,000 bucks to family upon death, and healthcare for life for their families and children. We can't just let it sit there because we think it will kill a bunch of people to entomb it. Chernobyle was an emergency when it was entombed. If we start entombing these reactors now while radiation leakage is fairly small it would be a lot safer than waiting until it is a fucking emergency.
maybe they could use california death row inmates. there should be more than enough
I agree with you, the Japanese are in a world of hurt. Even if there wasn't any water under the reactors, it wouldn't matter because the water table (being so close to the ocean) would be shallow and the meltdown would eventually hit it. Once all three (really 4) are in major meltdown it will be impossible to cool the spent fuel rods pools and so they will start to melt down and also take the cores with them in all 4 and 5-6. Thousands of tons of nuclear material burning up and melting. I don't care what anybody says, that place will be hot radiologically and temperature wise fore thousands of years.
Ok, what I don't understand is why they don't have a TUNGSTEN floor underneath the reactors. They could have a nice pattern drawn on them which would separate any molten material as it flowed down (think "dimpled slope"), and allow them to cool off, all which providing an absolute barrier to groundwater contamination. I guess it depends on how "liquid" the molten rods are. But then, if not liquid, just have a little box that catches it and can be sealed off easily.
I thought Chernobyl had sand underneath, but DYOD. My brain leaks.
all the tungsten got used up filling fort knox.
All the TUNGSTEN had to be confiscated to make phony gold bars.
Concrete = dirt cheap
Tungsten = Really expensive.
why not dirt with flow valleys as suggested, if anything gets molten at least you then have gravity as friend to seperate hot stuff, shoot, why not small widely seperated tunnels in various directions?
That's why we use depleted uranium to tip and case our bunker busting bombs and heavy penetrating artillery rounds.
Well, that and that the fact that the Chinese would never sell us that much Tungsten.
It's an interesting experiment on radioactive contamination we are running on our own troops and any unfortunate country we decide to bomb.
As expensive as gold, these days.
But seriously, I just did a quick search, and a polished 99.9% tungsten block goes for $50/kilogram. If they made a pan an inch thick and set it over the concrete, that should be more than adequate. They should be able to shape the reactor so any meltdowns would occur in a certain way, such that it all comes out in one place. You could catch numerous tons of fuel this way for a few thousand bucks. Hell, you could make a nice custom design like I suggested above that will automatically separate the molten fuel until it solidifies for less than $100K. That's less than one salary for that place. Hell, even if it cost ten times that much, so what?
those workers at Fukushima made nowhere near 100k...they were low pay
Seriously, I think it is an excellent idea. Considering the severity of a nuclear accident such as Fukushima, it doesn't seem as if it would require a cost-prohibitive amount of venture capital.
You know any autocad experts, tmosely? Perhaps you and a few others could draft the design specs, and lay the groundwork for proof of concept.
The design wouldn't so much be the problem as the cost of fabrication.
Someone upthread said that modern reactors DO have tungsten cladding. I would like to get some confirmation on that.
Feel free to beat me to it, as I am unlikely to do anything about it.
Not that it would help the situation anyway ;/
Cleaning up nuclear corium that's melted through concrete and into the earth = really fucking goddamned expensive.
Gonna melt right on through to Short Hills, NJ
New Jersey Syndrome?
If so, definitely Rally ON!
We're praying it misses Oyster Creek nuclear plant
I am targeting 85 Broad Street, NYC.
I'm getting tired of telling you people that the Squid now lives at 200 West St.
Thanks. I'll update my targeting programs! :)
Really need lat-lon instead of a street address. This ballistics program can't read city maps.
That's what MIRVs are for.
Here are my thoughts on the matter... (for what they are worth)
Diagram again...
http://dailyinfographic.com/fukushima-reactor-infographic
Part of the reactor core has melted probably. The reactor uses a small highly enriched uranium seeded fuel rod assembly to start the initial reactions (center of #15). These zircaloy tubes would be the first to decompose allowing the ceramic fuel pellets to fall to the bottom of the reactor vessel.
Since the boron impregnated moderating (kill) rods (below #17) are fully engaged above in the reactor core (#15) there is nothing to stop nuclear fission reactions amongst the pellets collected in the bottom from occuring again and thus melting a hole in the bottom of the reactor vessel.
We must now wait to see if the 150 tons of normal fuel pellets hanging above in the reactor core follows and falls through the hole to the plate below (#24).
How will we know?
General evacuation orders.
So far so good.
Excerpt:
This condition changes at the moment when water is added into a reactor core. The oxide film becomes brittle when the temperature decreases. Moreover, as the film cools down and contracts, a fuel rod is divided at the boundary of pellets, and drops to pieces (NOT MELTING)* and such pieces accumulate in the water in a state like a toy box upturned. They can accumulate in the water because fuel rods under the water surface are sound. These are the conditions that happened in the reactor core at the time of TMI accident.
* drops to pieces (NOT MELTING): Somtin like the Alien Lead Cooling in Alien 3 - (very difficult with lead cause it's very soft at chamber temp) but you get the idea
http://video.baamboo.com/watch/5/video/1177380Okay. It's just easier for the masses to understand words like 'lava' and 'terrorist' and such in simple black and white terms which is why I oblige.
However...
Uranium oxide has a melting point of around 4000 degrees celcius if memory serves. The pellets are sintered into small ceramic disks. It is the steel that is providing the molten component right now. As they melt the concrete (yes melt) the density of the pellets will provide the downward gravitational motion.
Where you are missing the point is that for the reactor vessel to be breached the water has to be gone first since as we all know molten steel requires around 3000 degrees f.
So...
THERE IS NO WATER IN THE REACTOR VESSEL!!!
And no upside-down toy filled with water ala snow domes! :)
(Sorry! Flattrader made me do it! :)
And if you cared to read the 5 day old article... the above reference you quoted was for TMI... Three Mile Island.
Looks like it ain't cooling according to plan!
Thanks again, Youri.
Ha! You and Youri.
Both missed the obvious point in reactor meltdown!
NO WATER!
Care to disagree FartTrader?
The fuel bearing zirconium clad rod did not break because of cooling temperatures... quite the opposite. See oxidation and hydride reactions associated with elevated temperatures of zircaloy/zirconium. At temps between 400 to 800 C. the metal volumizes (through ab/adsorption) and turns to brittle crap. It looses all strength. Great for a low cross section that allows neutrons to pass through... but not so good under elevated heat and pressures... especially where steam is involved.
So sorry.
I am not disagreeing with ya but I am merely trying to understand the complete process in which the Michio Ishikawa article is very helpful. "As a result, the heat from oxidation of cladding tubes accumulated to melt fuel rods. A core meltdown occurred."
I don't agree with his more optimistic assesments for Fukushima like "The reactor core of TMI nuclear power plant was successfully cooled and stabilized one week after. So will Fukushima."
Frankly I think that the proces described by Michio Ishikawa is what happened in Unit-3 which had a complete metldown and blew up completely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_N-wNFSGyQ Unit-3 is part of the coverup. Look how they edited the clip by shielding Unit-3 of when filming Unit-2. It even says TEPCO on the black cover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Lg88ECaCE
VERY IMPORTANT FROM: MOX = PLUTONIUM AT A REACTOR NEAR YOU http://www.nirs.org/factsheets/moxandreactor.htm"Compounding the concern about the use of a weapons material is the disclosure that the plutonium is not pure. In order to make the nuclear weapons, other ingredients were added to the plutonium. One of these is GALLIUM, which has not been put in a reactor core before, and which interacts with zirconium, one of the metals composing the fuel rod’s "cladding."
No confirmations of meltdowns yet as far as I know.
And who the hell wants to get close enough to see? But there is radiological imaging equipment that could quickly dispell this particular outcome that is generally available so why don't they show us if things are AOK?
The spiking radiation levels and calls for total evacuation will be the clue.
We just don't know... the plutonium could well be from the spent fuel rods that burnt... but there just isn't any forthcoming information which leads me to believe the worst is happening or about to happen.
Or the current status could go on for quite a long time. (Many months at a minimum)
We are all in the dark. Except TEPCO and they ain't showing us their cards.
Hey jackass, I was just thanking the guy for posting Japanese/English press items that nobody here much bothers to access.
Radioactive lava?
no worries, this shit is easy to clean especially while dodging neutron beams.
yes. it will add +3.2% to world GDP to clean up the area...this is bullish....melt away!!
dup
If the lava is able to melt-through the crust and hit the Nasdaq servers this could be +2,000 DOW day when it occurs
Japanese unemployment will go to zero.
LOL, even corporate spokespeople these days are trying to sell the "upside-of-the-not-the-worst-case-scenario." Absolute madness.
Where do they get these idiots from? It's like our whole world is plagued by dumb f**king a$$holes everywhere. Good news? Dec 21 2012 is looking a whole lot more real now, not because of reactors, markets, asteroids, or planet alignments. It is going to be destroyed by f**cking morons all over the plant who have no clue. Good grief, are we that stupid as humans now?
That is the new chart that needs to be trended, is how much dumber the population has gotten since 1929.
Agreed.
Have you seen the movie 'Idiocracy'? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSROlfR7WTo
However, it's not 500 yrs from now, it's here.
There's not a spread sheet in the world that could handle it
Very well said..I started to feel lonely..
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If the fuel melted through the zirconium and high strength steel rods and containment vessel, seems probable/likely it will melt/burn through the concrete and flow below the foundation till it gets sufficiently disbursed and cooled to solidify.
IIRC, one (among many) of the big worries at Chernobyl was that the fuel would melt through the concrete foundation into a flooded subfloor, triggering a massive explosion as the molten fuel hit the pooled water, scattering the fuel as a gravel 10 ways to Sunday. (picture Mt. St. Helens)
so is that likely now? is that why they were so obsessed about the water?
Yes. Water on top of molten metal - instant steam. Molten metal on top of water - water can't escape but turns to steam anyway. Huge explosion. Could throw radioactive material into the jet stream, to be carried around the world. A situation most would like to avoid. Power plant is by the ocean. Water table probably not too far underground. Not far for melt-down to melt down to. Explosion maybe sooner than later. Or maybe doesn't even melt through the concrete. Won't know until the explosion happens. Or doesn't.
"the fuel"?
Why don't you just say plutonium and be done with it?
rod melt down
spx melt up
this is the modern Physiconomics!
At least with the Russians we could blame Communism and central planning and disregard for human life and Vodka.This was greedy planners and corrupt officals and TOTAL disregard for mother nature
so both capitalism and communism failed in similar ways... both European and Asians fooked up...the invisible hand of markets and central planning both stupid and lack foresight...either you have culture of long-term concern and act conservatively to avoid very big long-term dangers even when it costs or you are short-sighted and selfish, economic systems and cultures hardly seem to matter
+1
If you have a central bank, you do NOT have capitalism.
The invisible hand has plenty of foresight. This reactor design never would have seen the light of day , as it is far more expensive to build and operate than a pebble bed reactor, which is also much safer.
dude...AVR?
that plant has like the worst beta contamination on the planet. Again, anytime you mix humans with this stuff we end up in tears.
The CB didn't push for LWRs; the MIC did.
That said, some of the newest BWR designs are fairly fault tolerant and PBMR is 60 years behind now in terms of R&D. Kinda like the rotary engine.
The central bank is the sand upon which this house that is our economy was built. False assumptions are everywhere, due to the false interest rates. You can't tell how much capital really exists in the system, so no-one can make good choices. Further, politicians get infinite money to make bad or just plain corrupt choices, as we agree was the case here with the M/IC.
And I agree those reactors are behind in terms of R&D, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it. No moving parts required to avert catastrophe is a big selling point in addition to the reduced operating costs.
AVR ended pretty badly. It seems to me that gas cooled PBMRs are not a very good idea. The whole of the reactor/cooling loop was contaminated with loads of bad stuff dust.
I'd put my vote on MSRs, which also have their own faults, but are extremely tolerant to LOCAs.
the '02 Helium peak kinda in my mind renders the PBMR unfortunately moot at this point.
With enough R&D it should have been a far superior reactor design. But the contamination of the coolant loop with beta emitter dust is bad news and the production flaws in fuel pellets were a huge problem.
Also, the one drawback would have been ending up with oxygen inside the reactor case; that spells graphite fire and Chernobyl all over.
My other beef with PBMRs is the pebbles themselves. They would have (without further development) rendered the fuel uneconomical for reprocessing. To me, that's a big no-no. It seems a huge waste to have an open ended fuel cycle.
My big reason for MSRs is their tolerance to LOCAs as well as their closed fuel cycle with online reprocessing capabilities. Imagine no SFPs, SCRAM to passively safe condition, and very high cycle and generation efficiency. Oh well, maybe someday.
I represent that remark.
This failure has nothing to do at all with capitalism. It is the unavoidable endgame of political protectionism/cronyism, where criminals prevent the losses from being privatized, while they and their friends collect all of the gains.
In a capitalistic economy (as opposed to a political one), no one would've ever risked their own capital in building/operating a nuke plant without it being adequately insured. Also, no insurance company would expose themselves to the risk without ensuring that the safety standards far exceeded the potential risk to the plant. So it would've been built right, or not at all.
Instead we have an economy where capital is created "risk-free" from thin air (thanks to ZIRP, et al.), and used to acquire real assets. Add to that the idea of TBTF, and there is no longer any concern about moral hazard, because "We had to do something!" Which merely creates the next moral hazard.
agree with you in some ways but really, no management of a company would ever take big risks to make short term gains even when no bailout coming? Really, do you believe that? I give you that there is govt corruption and govt that should be protecting the wide interests of the common wealth, citizens instead is often used to promote the interest of powerful small elites...just as a local police force corrupted can be in some ways worse than no police force...but really, when there is no police force, no one ever is short-sighted and selfish? Really?
Right on the Money Mutt.
It is far more likely that the corp guys would build the reactor and take a huge bonus for achieving a corporate benchmark, then value the reactor on the books based upon the undiscounted stream of future revenue projections, the insurance guys would take huge commissions, and in order to avoid any of the hard work of actual risk management, everybody would just hedge their positions with derivatives, and head for the nearest country club for an afternoon on the links.
I think your scenario describes a world which ended about 15 years ago.
If only tort laws had teeth...
This will be good for japan GNP.....sarc
Why do I care what happens on Fuk-U-Shima? Japan is ruined. Not my concern. I'm seeing my Mexican Lady friend again tonight and I need to know what "Papito Mas Mas" means.
It means "I'm underage and your busted"
That is with one mas. With two mas it means "I'm your long lost daughter, I am okay to clean your house if you insist but quit trying to screw me."
It means bring some amigos you're hung like a gnat.
"Tio Bigs es demasiado pequeno."
It means "my what a small johnson you have"
Long "enriched" shashimi
Operative word being "may" have.
Been seeing alot of "could" and "worst case" or "potentially" articles on the nuclear situation, especially here on ZH - guess facts aren't really necessary when you're talking your book.
That goes both ways, doesn't it?
The situation is starved of facts. I doubt that is by accident. CYA in full effect.
I think the real issue is that for long time nuclear industry has been lying, and right now they have potentially 6 reactors in a various stages of disaster. The 2nd worst nuclear power accident in history in progress is something you may be interested in ( or you may get back to watching news about escaped cobra). Raising alarm straight away sometimes looks like panicking, and sometimes it saves lives.
+1
Why do I care what happens on Fuk-U-Shima? Japan is ruined. Not my concern. I'm seeing my Mexican Lady friend again tonight and I need to know what "Papito Mas Mas" means.
It means, "Get off me, you're crushing my smokes."
Do a Wikisearch on "corium" for more background
Oh goodie
Have we heard of GOOGLE Translate?
How many lies has the Japanese government told its citizens during this disaster...
100% FUBAR.
Maybe now they will agree to buy U.S. Beef. For years, Japan has fought U.S. efforts to sell Beef in Japan supposedly due to concerns about our meat purity. I bet U.S. beef looks a tad better now next to "glow in the dark" Japanese Wagyu beef.
Let me see...
Japan now has 'glow-in-the-dark' beef.
China has 'melamine-fed' beef.
England and Europe have 'mad cow' beef.
India doesn't raise beef.
Now, if we can just figure out how to get rid of those pesky Australian cattlemen; USA's beef industry would have a virtual monopoly!
Step 1: ?
Step 2: Profit!!!
You forgot about Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina...
Why do I care what happens on Fuk-U-Shima? Japan is ruined. Not my concern. I'm seeing my Mexican Lady friend again tonight and I need to know what "Papito Mas Mas" means.
This is the kind of fucked world we live in where everything around us is falling apart while we here debate a policy (QE) that has so far at best been ineffective at solving the structural problems of our economy. The criminals run rampant on wall street and aided by their fellow partners in crime in DC. The criminals have gained access to influencing decisions on our economy and their even glorified by the likes of MSM. We live in a world where less bad is great news and horrible news is but a blip in the media ether. We live in a fucked up world-- a world that has no more time left. We live in very temporal times and what we do in this brief moment will only determine the fate of humanity from here on out and so far... we are only fucking up. Allowing the filth of humanity to reign supreme and be lauded as the darlings of society.
+1.00 ?!
All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. -Edmund Burke
Tyler, is it finally time to commence Project Mayhem??!
I have logged 80,000 miles in 2 weeks. I stick up for you. I respect your thoughts. Don't let it go to your head (Young Lady)
Dont understand why you got junked, I second this...must have been one of those criminals.
Use the molten rods to repair the broken undersea fault line causing the tsunami!
Hey all you hedge doom/gloomerz here is a series i have dedicated to your sorry azzes. hope you like it.
http://tshtf.blogspot.com/
tl;dr
Come-in Greenpeace?
This is your chance to devise and attach 'radiation patch tags' to the juvenile and 1 year old bluefin tuna off Honshu that will later this year make their speedy 3 month migration to the US west coast, where the patches can be read.
The spring 2012 upwardly-revised EPA radiation limits for safe human tuna consumption won't make sense on maxxed out patches.
Or on Newfin tuna.
I bought a few cases of tuna around ten days ago because of this concern. I'm also wondering if there will be visible evidence of mutations in the migrating fish populations.
I have 6 case of tuna and 5 of salmon, and will stop adding to the prep supply in a few weeks.
Maybe this springs bluefin juveniles newly spawned off Honshu will be more affected by the radiation and won't even complete the 3 month swim, arriving in greatly reduced numbers perhaps showing deformities, as were seen in frog populations in MN and elsewhere in the '90s.
The bluefin one year olds may show less or no deformities, but may appear in larger numbers, with higher radiation counts.
I surely hope the radiation counts are taken by non-EPA groups, and the truth not be suppressed by the overlapping agencies, but I have my doubts...
The Japs really need some Manchurian slaves right now. I think all of the Russian prisoners that worked Chernobyl have "retired".
China will lease them some US debtor prison inmates once the US defaults on the debt.
Curious: trying to learn more about the my fellow ZHers...
What do some of you people do for a living and your general age range?
Age right around 100, job-ringing bells in the steeple.
"THESE BELLS ARE MA LADIES"
stop being a pansi .. but up your dukes cartman
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3rd RULE: If someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the fight is over.
4th RULE: Only two guys to a fight.
5th RULE: One fight at a time.
6th RULE: No shirts, no shoes.
7th RULE: Fights will go on as long as they have to.
8th RULE: If this is your first night at FIGHT CLUB, you HAVE to fight.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/zerohedge.com#
http://www.quantcast.com/zerohedge.com
Alexa: Zerohedge.com's three-month global Alexa traffic rank is 2,878. Approximately 56% of the site's visitors are in the US, where it has attained a traffic rank of 797. Compared with all internet users, the site's users are disproportionately Caucasian, and they are disproportionately higher-income, childless men over the age of 35 who browse from home. Zerohedge.com's visitors view 2.7 unique pages each day on average. The fraction of visits to the site referred by search engines is approximately 6%.
Quantcast:
US RANK
This site reaches over 1.3 million monthly people, of which 867K (69%) are in the U.S.The typical visitor reads newswithviews.com and watches CNBC.
Of course none of the actual visitors of the site would in any way mislead measurement firms tracking site traffic in answering demographic questions...
we need a statistical breakdown of all users who have junked me in the past couple weeks.
Bc childless men over 35 with "higher incomes" sounds like either losers or gay men
ironic, that all my 'loser' (unemployed or marginal income) friends have kids!
Well...this explains all the boob avatars.
How many are still living with mom?
"U.S.The typical visitor reads newswithviews.com and watches CNBC."
LOL
"Childless Men over 35 with high incomes" DOES NOT COMPUTE...
It implies that you are divorced, and your ex-wife took all your money...
too slow on the draw - was posting the quantcast link
I or at least my avatar fell, and rose, was cancelled, and finally born again in the Britcom pantheon.
"suuuuper!"
thuuper-dooper!
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/149732/dont-be-gay
No, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ajEW9kjufM
I see. Super!
:-)