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Guest Post: Google’s Mysterious Threat To Pull Out Of China - Is A Covert War Brewing Between The U.S. And China?

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Wed, 01/13/2010 - 20:25 | 193123 MeTarzanUjane
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Another China investment pays off big!

Baidu Wins on Google Exit (BIDU)

Baidu. Inc. (NASDAQ:BIDU) is soaring this morning after yesterday’s announcement that Google Inc. (NASDAQ: GOOG) is pulling out of China. This would effectively leave Baidu with more than just the lion share of online web search and advertising revenues in China. Baidu closed at $386.49 yesterday, but shares are up 14.6% at $443.00 on over 300,000 shares as of 8:07 AM EST. The stocks 52-week range is $105.00 to $443.25. Average volume is 1.8+ million shares, but that should be blown through rather quick. The open interest is not 10,000 in any strikes fr JAN10 CALLS yet, but the open interest is over 1,000 in each strike from $390 to $500…. Stay tuned.

"The Chinese people would do well to pay attention."

Yes Mr. Durden. A nation that is only a few hundred years old needs to skool a nation that is thousands of years old... They better listen or else.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 20:35 | 193138 Stevm30
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Sorry bud - the Chinese "nation" is only 60 years old.  Hence "listen up youngster"

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 21:05 | 193167 MeTarzanUjane
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PRC, a power structure, borrows heavily from 5000 years of lessons learned. In you effort to dispute you have overlooked the obvious youngsters.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 21:50 | 193206 Anonymous
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Both China and the USA are net importers of energy. Neither can sustain "super-power," by definition, too long.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 21:55 | 193210 Anonymous
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HAHAHA. Hilarious. The wise Asiatic mind, cool and calculating, capable of prioritizing long term victory over the fickle, decadent, independent minded western degenerates.

Fri, 01/29/2010 - 10:49 | 210817 Anonymous
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Actually the Chinese Communist Party during the cultural revolution destroyed and nearly wiped out all 5000 years of history as the evil regime wanted to suppress traditional culture which is based on morals and harmony between heaven and earth. The CCP is strongly atheist and has murdered 80million people in 60 years and the count is still rising. We are taught Hitler was bad yet with figures like these I think you have over looked the obvious. Go to this website and it is all documented plus more. http://ninecommentaries.com/

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 20:51 | 193151 spekulatn
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Yes Mr. Durden. A nation that is only a few hundred years old needs to skool a nation that is thousands of years old... They better listen or else.

What part of "gues post" didn't you understand? 

:0

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 20:57 | 193160 MeTarzanUjane
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"We're all Tyler Durden".

;/

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 21:33 | 193184 WaterWings
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Except for HAWK! Tinfoil alert! Guess what they're trying to sneak through...

http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/08_Hawk/100112.Obama.EO.html

Read carefully Section -2 Functions,  of this Executive Order and you will clearly see how inclusive these functions can be....... especially Item e which has language sufficiently broad and loose that a Tank Battalion could be driven through it.

 

(e) other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities.

They should just summarize and say General Welfare like the Federalists.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:34 | 193259 Miles Kendig
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Don't forget interstate commerce.  Back on topic.  

The "right" thing usually must find a commercial conveyance..... Plus the current powers that be need to rebuild their "Human Rights" creds.  Tibet will continue to get flushed for the big bucks, but Google can make the splash over "net neutrality".  Looks like the administration is hoping that at least some of the walk n knock army returns....

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/some-bold-and-not-so-bold-macro-predict...

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:16 | 193236 order6102
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What age has to do with it? If you apply your logic we all should listen to coalacanth - world oldest fish! 

Thu, 01/14/2010 - 01:31 | 193418 caconhma
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China is a communist country with Asian mentality. It is very foolish to underestimate their survival capabilities.

All these discussions about a possible civil unrest in China are just wishful thinking on part of the western media and politicians. They have passed their last survival test with flying colors.

Just look at their neighbour North Korea.

As for Iran, it is a totally different story. Their leaders are just incompetent religious zealots incapable of running a modern country.

Thu, 01/14/2010 - 08:24 | 193540 Ned Zeppelin
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Is it me or is Baidu just Dubai spelled sort of inside out?

Having stolen all the source code they need and generally making Google feel unwelcome, the Chinese government issued a statement today: " Please do not let door hit you on the  a** as you leave."  Do they care? Not a whit. Puh-leze.  

 

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 20:46 | 193146 Anonymous
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"The Chinese people would do well to pay attention. "

That supposed to be ironic or something?

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 20:47 | 193148 pros
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I regret to say I see no other ways out of the present situation:

massive terror attack...all-out war..."we're not paying these (foreign) bad guys, and we're nationalizing your 401K's, pension funds because of national emergency"

forget inflation

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:12 | 193225 Anonymous
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"Give us the Tang pronto, or we'll nuke Toronto."

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 20:52 | 193153 Rainman
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The smoke the Chinese smell is from the fire of populist pleas for American economic protectionist policies.

Unlike the USA, they study history. So they get nervous.

Not to worry, though. Nobody is biting the lender's hand.....until/unless he one day says no. 

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 20:55 | 193158 Doc
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Let me get this story straight:

Google and some other big American companies get hacked, Google threatens to pull out of China, thus the US government is trying to foment a coup d'etat in China through the CIA?

Am I the only one scratching my head on this one?

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 21:09 | 193178 MeTarzanUjane
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The claim is a sophisticated hack ORIGINATED in China.

This means it came from Israel.

Are we suppose to believe the organization in charge of the "sophisticated hack" left a trail right back to the origin? Come on...

Fri, 01/15/2010 - 07:34 | 194705 APC
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The attack comes from china, so it can't be the chinese.  Hell, it came from china.  So it must be the Israelis.

 

Bit of a stretch, no?

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:01 | 193215 order6102
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+1000... 

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 20:59 | 193163 deadhead
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Just yet another reason to be bearish long term.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 21:07 | 193171 Anonymous
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There is more to that. Liberty/ democracy/ no censorship / do no evil etc. is only one part of the issue. Google has become an super efficient aggregate human and society profiler, the data it mines is priceless for anybody with at least some brains. China does not want Google to know everything about Chinese society, people, economy etc. As simple as that. Therefore, the fate of Yahoo in China is also pretty obvious.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:14 | 193231 Anonymous
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evilish

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 21:27 | 193185 Anonymous
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This is a funny story, we invented the internet ad all of our truly sensitive information is already on Darpanet 2.0. A cyber security friend told me thatthese intrusions are akin to someone looking in the store window wth no ability to steal the goods.

We steal far more stuff from these guys than anyone else steals from us.

This is our economic Haiphong Harbour incident. Obama must check China's development and raise our employment at home. What better way than to start to close the door on the Chicoms.

What are they going to do,demand their money back. The Fed has already monetized that much currency in one year. We will let them choke on our dollars, cut off their export markets, and watch 200 million Chinese go jobless. We get some inflation with full employment and the Chinese get a revolution.

We did this in a milder form to Japan 20 years ago, and they are still spinning.

This is a win win for us. Check mate.

Thu, 01/14/2010 - 02:27 | 193451 faustian bargain
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riiight. that is a funny story.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 21:34 | 193193 Anonymous
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Pot-Kettle-Black. The NSA reads and monitors (as in hacks) everything. The US media self-censors all the time. Numerous topics are taboo. Info apparatchiks in the US of A censor blogs all the time.

I just had a post deleted from my local newspaper's site. Why? Because I posted links - to Bloomberg and business week about the potential for the gov to grab the 401k's and IRAs

Thu, 01/14/2010 - 11:19 | 193650 MsCreant
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Wow. I'd keep reposting. Maybe I'll try it with my paper and see what happens.

Thu, 01/14/2010 - 12:25 | 193754 Gwynplaine (not verified)
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You may have something there.  I noticed yesterday that CBS Marketwatch posted a new comments policy.  The initial cover story was that readers were getting off topic, so new regulations had to be imposed.  Then, when you read a little further, they also are going to regulate comments that push a certain political agenda.  What does that mean?  Will goldbugs' comments now be removed on the basis of extremism?

Still, I'm a little skeptical of the claim that the CIA is conducting a covert campaign against Beijing.  We need their money to fund our deficit this year.  Also, how did the author come by this information?  Did the counterintelligence branch of the CIA actually admit to this off-the-record?  I doubt it. 

Something underhanded is going on, but I don't think anyone knows exactly what.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 21:51 | 193208 Instant Karma
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This cyber warfare stuff is scary. Makes one wonder whether one's digital money will be secure. Or electricity. Back in a sec...off to get more silver, guns, and a generator.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:41 | 193272 delacroix
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small 900 watt generator (chinese) $99 5hours on 1.1 gallons, get 1 while they're cheap. 9mm hi-point semi-auto pistol $160

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:49 | 193282 delacroix
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small 900 watt generator (chinese) $99 5hours on 1.1 gallons, get 1 while they're cheap. 9mm hi-point semi-auto pistol $160

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 21:51 | 193209 Gordon_Gekko
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"to discuss how to stop countries from "stifling" access to information."

Well, I'm sure the US does no such thing.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:13 | 193226 order6102
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it does, except you don't get put in jail for writing this, unlike in China where you can get killed just for putting line like this on internet!

Thu, 01/14/2010 - 00:54 | 193394 Anonymous
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you obviously cannot read Chinese

Thu, 01/14/2010 - 12:19 | 193726 order6102
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cao ni made

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:07 | 193220 ShiftCTRL
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Random thoughts/questions:

Was Google tipped off to get the $%*! out?

Is the U.S. planing a war against China to kill the debt, or is China planing a war against U.S. because it knows it isn't getting paid back?

"Next week the US is to launch a new technology policy to help citizens in other countries to gain access to an uncensored internet." -- What does this mean for Bidu? Doesn't sound too good.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:08 | 193222 order6102
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thats got to be one of the most crappy article on ZH... let me get it right Google is part of the US Govt? China doesn't kill 2M tibetans? War between China and Free World is unavoidable. One way or another. Over-polluted, over-crowded - China doesn't have any choice, but to grow. They took over Tibet, they took over Inner-mongolia, they took over Uighuria. If it was not for India - they wanted to take over Ladkh and Sikim, if it was not for US - they wanted to take over Taiwan. Its beast, and it has to be killed. Free Tibet!

Thu, 01/14/2010 - 02:15 | 193446 Anonymous
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Man, you are so brain washed. One day you may die in middle east desert searching for WMD. Good luck.

Thu, 01/14/2010 - 03:38 | 193481 Lungimaster
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+1

US companies have large stakes in Chinese internet infrastructure. Google benefits from the launch of new technology without having presence in China. Hence US gov shows interest. It does NOT mean Google is part of US govt.

However, you take the argument too far (-1 on that). Every nation/company/individual is ambitious for growth to some extent. China is probably being too blatant at it. Doesn't imply that it needs to be killed. [Disclosure: I am from India and IMO Tibet should be free, and China should be democratic.]

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:13 | 193227 Jay
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Thanks for the story. I have the same thoughts regarding point 1. Pulling out of China certainly won't make them less vulnerable to attacks. It seems like they're mixing two problems here. They should have made two separate blogs to avoid confusion.

 

I would like to know how Google found out that certain gmail customers are human rights activists. The fact that Google knows or could find that out makes me uncomfortable. Even going after that type of information seems like a privacy violation.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:26 | 193246 Instant Karma
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Maybe its all deception....fake enemies and fake wars and fake markets.

Make love not war.

All we are saying is give peace a chance.

Imagine.

GOOG is over-priced. Look at the chart, the swing trade is over.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:26 | 193248 Anonymous
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"it was not for US - they wanted to take over Taiwan". Silly me,and I thought Taiwan is part of China. Do they speak Tagalo,or Russian in Taiwan?

Thu, 01/14/2010 - 06:42 | 193514 order6102
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Dude.. you need to go read a bit more. Taiwan is independent county... at least as of today... If you follow your logic US and Australia should be same country, as they speak some form of English? Or even better, Mexico and Spain? Why not... 

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:32 | 193258 carbonmutant
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Yes.

The Chinese are reading the same thing ahmadinejad did. As the Germans so succinctly put it, "there's an empty suit in the White House".
 
My guess is that Hu Jintao was not impressed by what he saw in November. Obama's attempts to lecture to the Chinese on monetary policy would have been viewed as an insult if they thought he knew what he was talking about. As it was they just laughed at Geithner.
 
But Copenhagen told the whole story. Hu Jintao refused to sit in the same room with him during the negotiations.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/22/copenhagen-climate-cha...
 
The US is only useful to the Chinese as long as we are buying Chinese products. If we aren't buying they have no reason to listen to our Bulls**t.
 
And at this point it appears as though the US is being viewed as a chicken to be plucked. Unfortunately for the current administration the prior administration was better equipped to deal with issues of this magnitude.

“As the economic situation deteriorates, these tensions are only going to escalate.”

 

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:41 | 193271 Miles Kendig
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"there's an empty suit in the White House".

ROFLMAO. There hasn't been a self directed President of the United States for years.  Many years.  The only difference between this administration and the previous one is how the crumbs are directed.  Look at pictures of Hank Paulson after his visits to China back in '07 & '08 and you'll realize he got laughed out of the room as well.  Hank was just smart enough not to make the meeting exposed to public eyes.

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:39 | 193268 Anonymous
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>>by order6102. You remind of GMAT test whereby they give you an essay,and then ask you questions about it. And from what you are inferring from the article,it shows that your reading comprehension are lacking. I am surprised that you are even registered in this sight. The article has nothing to do with the Chinese policy,or killing or human rights. Simply put,the article questions the sincerity of Google's claim. And you know what?the same questions I had this morning,and whether this is poltically motivated knowing how Google came to the political front in the latest election. I can't recall any other company that was so much highlited during an election year,as Google . And please remind me of one if I am mistaken...

Thu, 01/14/2010 - 06:38 | 193515 order6102
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 I am surprised that you are even registered in this sight. 

 

Clearly you have to post as "Anonymous", so you can't. But i understand, memory of GMAT test and un-ability to register without parents/guardian sign off.. You will grow, and it will be fine. Don't worry, my friend :) 

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:44 | 193278 CONners
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How about some uncensored access to a "free" market instead of the Peoples Republic of Wall Street market?

Wed, 01/13/2010 - 22:44 | 193279 Anonymous
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Fuck china. Google stands for integrity.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!