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Guest Post: “Stay And Fight”: Is This Realistic?

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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man

“Stay and fight”: Is this realistic?

Before leaving New York, I was enjoying a perfectly nice afternoon
yesterday walking around the Upper West side. When I got to Lincoln
center, roughly at the corner of Broadway and W 62nd Street, reality set

No fewer than ten NYPD storm troopers were ‘patrolling’ the sidewalk
outside in full combat gear: Kevlar helmet, flak vest, semi-automatic
9mm sidearm, and Colt model 933 with M900 foregrip and M68 aimpoint. A
few of them had M203 variety grenade launchers fitting snugly underneath
the barrel.

And to what did we owe the deployment of such unnecessary firepower?
An invasion of the Canadian hordes? Terrorists on the loose? No. Some
visiting politician… clearly an individual who feels important enough to
merit an intimidating death squad in his vicinity.

This is the nature of the system. Police are armed to the teeth… and
while their official marketing slogan may be to ‘keep people safe’,
their real function is to be the protectors and enforcers for the
political class, all while keeping the people in check so that the know
who’s boss.

On this note, we received a lot of comments this week from readers
who reject the idea of considering greener pastures overseas and instead
choose to “stay and fight.”

Reader Jay K, for instance, wrote that “sooner or later you’re going
to have to fight. It might as well be in your own home, city,
neighborhood, and country.”

This ‘stay and fight’ mentality does seem incredibly noble. It
invokes images of Paul Revere and the original patriots standing their
ground in battle against the red coat British forces. Unfortunately, the
world just doesn’t work that way anymore.

There is no real enemy to fight… no clearly defined opposing force
conveniently dressed in a different color like the rival baseball team.
The battle is one of ideas.

At its simplest, the conflict comes down between those who believe
that government is the problem, and those who believe that government is
the solution. Most people are brainwashed statists who unquestioningly
hold the latter as their ethos.

And then there is the big faceless void of government itself…
politicians, bureaucrats, low-level workers, regulatory agencies, etc.
We’re not talking about a single individual here, but an entire

It begs the question– for all the ‘stay and fight’ people, who exactly are you fighting? And more importantly, how?

Of all the hundreds of similar notes we’ve received from people who
claim they are going to ‘stay and fight’, I am still waiting for one…
just one single email… from someone telling me exactly how they plan on
doing that.

Are you going to go to the polls and kick the bums out? Go right
ahead. If you can convince the majority of other voters (most of whom
probably don’t share your ideology), then you’re just going to vote in
another set of bums.

Politicians are politicians because they either (a) are attracted to
power, and/or (b) think that government is the solution, not the
problem. Replacing one set with another is hardly a credible course of

What else is the plan– armed conflict in the streets? I don’t
understand this fantasy. The people are going to arm themselves and join
together for an Old West style shootout against the police, the people
will win, and then a new nation will be rebuilt espousing limited
government principles?

It sounds like a great movie… but pinning your hopes on being able to
win a revolutionary style victory against a military police state that
has superior tactics, firepower, and combat experience is simply

Besides, real turmoil in the west is just getting started. Right now
the conflict is in Greece and Spain. It will spread to Italy, Belgium,
UK, etc., and then finally to the US.

When it does, people will find out first hand that the police have absolutely no problems turning into violent thugs… and this police state grows stronger every day.

Truthfully, there is no way to fight a faceless enemy. The government
is essentially the same as your credit card company– no single
individual or front, just a collection of various departments and

What do you do when your credit card company raises your fees, takes
your money, provides you with poor service? Do you petition for change?
Do you try and convince fellow credit card holders to demand new
management? Do you stalk the customer service center in Sioux City,
Iowa? No, of course not. You simply get a new card.

This is ultimately the solution that I’m advocating, and I’m here to
tell you that there are a lot of great cards out there in the world.

If you recognize that the trend is bad, at least have a plan to
safeguard yourself, your family, your livelihood, and your assets…
something that extends beyond the unrealistic (voting the bums out) and
the mythical (doing battle in the streets).

It’s time to reject bombastic fantasies and check in to reality. Make
a grounded appraisal of the situation, and if you decide to stick
around, great. Just make sure you have strong safeguards in place, a
plan to execute if you ever deem it necessary, and most of all, a clear
idea of your breaking point.

After all, the boiling frog only survives when it senses danger and jumps out.


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Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:49 | 1381323 Obadiah
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Time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end.

Come and get it u evil effers, come and get it!


Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:05 | 1381341 Upswaller
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Perhaps the hope for the patriots is that Oz will be small and powerless against a population enraged by a government-induced black swan.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:33 | 1381414 Arrowflinger
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Not just hope, it is a probability.

These fuckers are at cross purposes with each other and the forces of division are intensifying.

They will cut and run, then the gutless politicians will be after their asses, too.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 15:40 | 1382890 mkkby
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Fighting is counter productive.  It just allows TPTB to unleash the thug brigade in the name of law and order.  As ZHers are starting to realize, the system is extremely fragile.  Peak debt and fiat/ponzi everything financial just needs a little push and it will crash.  Therefore, we the people can destroy the sytem simply by opting out...

Not doing business with TBTF banks.  Not buying crap products on credit we don't need from international corporations. This is all it takes to STOP FEEDING THE BEAST and letting it implode.  All I'm saying is if we act smart and in our own best interests we starve what we hate.  Checkmate. People win.

You don't even need a political agenda.  Support small, local businesses BECAUSE YOU GET BETTER SERVICE.  If a lot of us did that, it would starve the beast of taxes, lobbying dollars and political power.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 17:51 | 1383096 Dburn
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That's a nice thought, but it's also a fantasy. The one issue recently where Americans should have stood shoulder to shoulder regardless of ideology was the bank bail out that started in the Bush admin and then expanded by huge amounts in the Obama admin and is still doing so as they try to navigate the thorny legal trails of foreclosure in order to complete the circle of the massive rip-off.

Yet few people in America even understand it and most have no idea that it's still ongoing. Even as budgets are cut and debt ceilings are reached that would have seemed inconceivable in 2007 so that even people who felt economically safe are getting their worlds turned upside down. Think of how many people it would take to cause a social revolution. I don't know, 30M, 100m?. Loud and violent minorities have a pretty good record for upending countries. 

One guy had banners and radio station coverage and plenty of help to start a "jail the bankers rally" that attracted all of  40 people, most of them probably muttering "Now what's their problem? Jailing Jerry downtown?" even as their fees go up and property values go down. "something wrong here, but I can't quite make it out...

"Hey HEY ZH Davey when you guys talks about CDRs, don't you mean CDs? What's the 'R' for and can you tell me in less than 30 seconds before the soccer game ?" 

Naw, even soup lines won't start anything. As the article mentioned, who the hell are they supposed to fight?  Can a bunch of non-combat trained 2nd Amendment activists really shoot straight when F16s and Corba Helicopters are dropping JDAMs and firing Hellfire missles  at them?

"Goddamn, my house just went up like a Tinderfire...[shock] and OMG There's   my wife's head 500 feet up with no body..Thar there ya see she's bouncing of  your house. Where's the damn body?"

"Man these guys are serious, Lets get the fuck out of here". 



Sun, 06/19/2011 - 23:26 | 1383753 financeguru500
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I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with you. The bailouts were a necessity to continue the past 30 years of "American" style living. Imagine if the stock market collapsed and the dollar followed suit immediately after. The ensuing turmoil would have obliterated the "American" way of life as we know it. Yes it would have fixed the problems but it would have left the U.S. as a third world country.

The government has been doing the only thing it knows how to do, continuity.

I would actually argue that Americans should have stood up and protested in the 80's when all of the companies outsourced to Asia. That would have allowed the U.S. to maintain the wealth it used to have with a strong manufacturing base and strong currency.

The outsource of labor resulted in huge profits for companies while the middle & low class U.S. workers received little raises in comparison. The end result is a country where 10% of the population owns over 80% of the wealth of the country while the other 90% of the country owns 20%. The wealth disparity in the country has finally gotten to a point where it can't continue to support itself and the only thing that can keep the country going is government bailouts until the music stops and the game is over. When the music stops, expect the 10% who have all the wealth to be living in another country where they are safe. For instance, Pres. Bush owns 90k acres in Argentina, one of the few countries that won't extradite criminals. (hmm thats interesting).

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 01:41 | 1384103 CompassionateFascist
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Why, just today I switched to ketchup that has no, I repeat, no hi-fructose corn syrup.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 02:13 | 1384157 Michael
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What is scarier?

An armed to the teeth American populace with its 400 million personal firearms, or a fully armed Al Qaeda that MS 13 could beat in a street fight in about ten minutes?

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 01:10 | 1381901 snowball777
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I've always been fascinated by Baum's allegory and the poignant lesson that men with economic power cannot be stopped unless disparate groups recognize the need to work together against them. The backbiting, divisive bullshit that passes for politics today gives TPTB great solace that nothing will meaningfully challenge them any time soon. The full-metal details are just psyche compensation driven by how they feel about the things they've done...they know someone would want a bullet in their ass and it makes em a wee tad paranoid.


Sun, 06/19/2011 - 09:55 | 1382301 chumbawamba
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The "back-biting, divisive bullshit that passes for politics today" is orchestrated by TPTB.  Divide and conquer.  Oldest trick in the book.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 22:28 | 1381678 bankrupt JPM bu...
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"semi-automatic 9mm sidearm" --brutal, the HK USP tac .45 should be the weapon of choice.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 08:01 | 1382197 Sudden Debt
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You Americans are so wonderful :)

You all have a arsenal of weapons like your awaiting a alien invasion or something :)

Weapons never solved anything. It's all about getting organized in large groups. Create the right vision and communicate.

That's why in war controlling the communication is so important. If you fire a gun, it allows the enemy to use the heavy artillery, the stuff that turns your house into toothpicks with the press of a button.

What I would do when it would become hostile is get on a plane and get the heck out.


Sun, 06/19/2011 - 08:40 | 1382221 Diogenes
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You said it Sudden. In the whole history of the US when has the government ever backed off from guns? Never.

But what about political activism? Ten thousand men, or one thousand women properly organized can make them do whatever they want.

At least that used to be the case until the TPTB hijacked the voting machines and drove them to Cuba.

So the solution would be to restore the electoral process, wise up the population and elect a decent government.

OK so you're screwed.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 09:26 | 1382271 wisefool
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Like many of the posts here that are echos/parrots of other posts from the same posters from on other boards, which are the same ideas parroted in pre-internet media going back in time for time immemorial ....

Ron Paul, in the 2012 election, giving his bi-annual faustian "anti"-plank to the MSM:

MSM: Dr. Paul, the republican leadership, and even the emerging tea party leaders like Palin and Bachman, seem to accomodate or ignore you, but give very little direct support. Others outright oppose you, or call you crazy. Why don't you run as a 3rd party?


Dr. Paul: Look, I have tried that many times, Every time I spend all my campaign funding just to get on the ballots, then there is nothing left to get my message out.


Local D/R party chairmain to "guests" watching on TeeVee: Put another shrimp on the barbie John, and call the dealership to let them know we are going to need a new fleet vehicle, for bubba's brother's ex-wifes' kid over there, to work the new position we are going to create, to have him train our constitutants on how to barbecue things like gulf shrimp.

So yeah, americans deserve the government they get. But the true manefestation of thier stupidity is not any particular candidate. It is blindly supporting and as you said activism in the two party system that coddles, creates and controls the only choices on the ballot.

The cycle gets broken when some body like Paul gets elected and the patronage chains get cut, even for just one 4 year cycle. And that will be the only accomplishment he will accomplish before he is assasinated or serves out his one and only term.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 15:31 | 1382876 Cathartes Aura
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ALL elected presidents of the corporation of the UNITED STATES are ceremonial lightning rods designed to attract attention, whether negative or positive, and protect 'n' deflect inquiry into the truths of how the corporation works globally. 

Electing a different "face" to represent the corporation makes ZERO difference to the agenda and outcome.

end of.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 02:19 | 1384166 Michael
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That problem is solved very easily, just abolish the Act of 1871.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 16:55 | 1383002 Chicken_Little
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Third party candidates lost any chance of being elected when Ross Perot was in the debates in 1992. Ron Paul is doing what he can by working in the present 2 party system. If you don't, you're shut out by the MSM. He has little chance of being elected until the dollar collapses and TSHTF big time, but I'll keep sending him 2500 USD each cycle because it helps me sleep at night knowing I'm doing something positive.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 09:18 | 1382263 UGrev
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Clearly you have no understanding of our revolution and why our 2nd amendment exists. Carry on sheep.. carry on. 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 16:33 | 1382964 Sudden Debt
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I understand your revolution. We Europeans helped you win it or did you stop reading the history books and only watched the cartoons about it?

You 2nd amendment exists because 100 years ago it made logic.

Now, handing out guns to morons like you explains why so many idiots kids kill themselves playing with dady's gun.



Sun, 06/19/2011 - 17:10 | 1383021 Josey Montana
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Dear Sudden Debt,

Exactly how many of ourselves have killed ourselves with our daddy's gun?

Also, what do you know about "Dunkirk"?  Dying to learn about it.


Josey Montana

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 19:16 | 1383196 Hooter Shaker
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Maybe if Europeans had guns you wouldn't need Americans to use theirs to save you ungrateful bastards.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 19:35 | 1383217 ultra86
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Sudden Debt your a flipping idiot in this regard. Why don't you find the people who were in the concentration camps and gulags of the 20th century and ask them if they wish they would have had some firearms..?? Oh that's right, you can't, they're all fucking dead. Get a clue or don't talk about things you don't understand.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 09:20 | 1382267 pcrs
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Right, I don't know where you are from, but from the arrogant cliches, I jugde you are from europe as well. What a disconnect from reality. In europe 2 world wars were started, communism was invented there. A rough calculation tells me that the seeds of 200 million deaths that both facism/communism produced, were all sown in europe.

So to say that americans always want to solve everything with guns historically not correct. Recently however, their government throws bombs on everyone, but then again so soes mine.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 10:00 | 1382308 Confuchius
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Any Belgian would agree with you.

Lucky for the Afghanis that they are devoid of Belgians "helping" them.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 12:13 | 1382554 Strike Back
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Sun, 06/19/2011 - 23:29 | 1383763 Chicken_Little
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What part of the 3 Belgium parts are you from that can't get together and form a government?

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 10:14 | 1382341 Hulk
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Violence, applied in the proper amounts and places, solves everything and is the ONLY thing THEY understand... Grow a pair...

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:40 | 1382463 MsCreant
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Can you figure out the THEY issue? I can't. The force does need to be applied correctly, intelligently. This is what I take to be the author's point, which "THEY?" 

In the past, the patriots have suffered greatly, had their families hunted down, lost all their fortunes, lived most of their lives on the run, and more. I am not a coward. I might flinch a little as an event is going down, but I do the right thing. If the choices are not clear, it is really hard to do the right thing. Doubt, not fear, is my mind killer.

Love to hear more of your thoughts on this.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 15:29 | 1382675 Hulk
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Sun, 06/19/2011 - 14:34 | 1382783 macktheknife
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MsCreant, I sympathize with your practical/moral search for an identifiable enemy(and your desire to have people who would otherwise rush to violent means- have them try to think more clearly).   Here is the problem:   A person who is considering doing something violent to an enemy must first understand that, for the most part, the combatants you are going to try to kill are much the same as you - they have dreams and families, etc.  It is sad to think, for example,of the actual lives of the Japanese and German and Vietnamese and Iraqui soldiers Americans have killed- many or most of them, if we had met them under different circumstances, would have been invited into their houses, and enjoyed their children, and a meal.  It  makes no sense to look for a pure evil in the enemy- although military training tries to instill this type of belief.   The point is, though, circumstances in life, bring populations to War, and that has obviosly been going on for all of Mankind's history, and is very unlikely to change anytime in our lives.  Certain populations will be at war with eachother, and groups of people will be in combat and kill eachother.  On a practical level, you have to suspend the idea that you will always have a just cause, and be killing appropriately. 

What it comes down to, at a certain point, is that something is done to you or someone you love, and you are directly threatened.  Most of us live without a threat ever being close enough to feel - so we only talk about abstract threats.  This thread about fighting or running is only possible because the threat isn't imminent - but, as soon as it becomes a situation like you hear rumors that there are people that have come to the town near you, and started killing people - you will react in a very real manner - you will arm yourself, and you may find yourself shooting, at a distance, any men you see approaching your house.   That is what will happen when it becomes a local and imminent threat.  So how do you make decisions when it is not yet imminent?  At a certain point, you have to decide that there is a growing threat, and that people ARE being divided into different groups.  It becomes impractical- and dangerous- at that point, to not take a side- you are on one side or the other, and the consequences of that decision will play out.  It might come down to, as a simple example, that you need to try to kill anyone Asian, or with Gang tats - if that is how the population divides.  It will not matter at all, at that point, if you actually believe all asians are the enemy, or all people with gang tats are bad- the situation will simply demand that you act that way to remain alive- there is no other level to understand.  It is happening TO you.   This is, of course, going on right now in Egypt and Libya and Yemen, etc. 

So, back to us here in the US-  who are "They"?    Well, when it comes a time where things are more threatening, people will divide on some level - it may be as easy as SWAT teams and Xe troops- in clearly marked uniforms, or it may be less clear - like anyone who is employed by the government - this is how the Taliban works - this is how the VC worked.  In 1964, if you took over as a town government official in a small S Vietnemse hamlet, it was fairly common for the VC to come to town at night, and disembowel your pregnant wife in front of you, and hang your children from a post.   simply becasue you took an administartive position.  This, of course, happens weekly in afghanistan.  Who are the  "they"?     It is never going to be clear, and you will be forced to act in a manner that isn't on a level that you presently exist at - but millions of humans ARE living with.     It may happen that you simply have to say to yourself, this is the team I am on, and I need to go kill the guy who delivers the mail. 

The idea that you can decide to fight or leave is an interesting question, but most people end up being swept up in events as they happen - I think of that poor girl who was shot protesting in Iran - the one who ended up on youtube a year or two ago. 

Miss Mscreant,  you fear your doubt.  I think, in any real threatening event you WILL do the right thing.    Probably my favorite portrayal of the thinking that actually happens, as opposed to a college educated mire of uncertainty - is the scenes in the DeerHunter, where Robert Deniro - angered by the lack of discipline - holds his gun and says, "This is This, This is This - this isn't anything else".    For me, that is the closest i have ever seen to an explanation of how a War will effect your thinking.  I think, if I remember the movie, a scene or two later, he is up in the mountains- beautiful vistas- and he has a deer in his sights , and he is pained, and he doesnt shoot the deer, and it scampers off.  The end of that movie is everyone, after the funeral, slowly crying and singing God Bless America.   I loved that ending because it reveals, thru all the pain and death, there has tio to be a common bond between people, as life delivers it's worst pain and death.  You need to accept the fact that you may never know who "They" are, but start killing only becasue there isn't any other choice.  You are one, almost completely insignificant life - in a very very big moving culture, and your thoughts are meaningless as this evolving situation plays out.    Cut yourself some slack, use your street smarts, and , please, buy some guns and nightvision scopes, and get prepared.  The threat IS close enough, that you have a single duty to prepare and be ready.  Being caught unprepared is the only fear you should have.  An Army of One.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 22:53 | 1383674 rambo1028
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You are right on target. Thank you for a post that really got me thinking. I have been paralyzed for the last few years because of fear of the unknown.... but the known is all I really need to be worried about. The known is very clear at this point....the battle lines are drawn and I can feel the mercury rising. Who ends up on what side is no matter.... the only thing that matters is level of preparedness because it is coming.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 21:31 | 1383461 Ranger4564
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Attack the people the Police and Military in earnest  try to prevent you from reaching. Here's a clue.. CFR, Bilderburg, IMF, BIS, WTO, and keep going with the acronyms... look for people with realy expensive cars / yachts / jewelry / their own security / vaults / etc.  At the proper level, that's the THEY.  At a lesser level, that's the THEM TOO.  I will suggest that the global financiers / corporate interests (the THEY) will not allow any sort of derailment of their master plan without violence and needless death of a large portion of the civilian population.  Look around, they blow up 120 people to kill 12 supposed culprits... that's a 900% collateral rate.  You think they care?

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 23:53 | 1383826 chopper read
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T.H.E.Y. (The Hierarchy Enslaving You) = the 'shareholders' in the private Federal Reserve Bank corporation = the head of the snake.  

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 10:46 | 1382363 dwdollar
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Jet to where exactly?  The fifth dimension?  Atlantis?  Mars?  This is a small world and it's getting smaller thanks to the vampire banking squid.  You can't run and you can't hide.  The question isn't whether fighting is unrealistic.  The question is whether it's the only option, because running isn't one.  Period. 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 21:37 | 1383492 Ranger4564
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Agreed.  Exactly my own thoughts on the subject.  There is no safe place to run to.  There is no choice but to fight.  The question is really only HOW.  Violent, civil, peaceful, guerilla, militia, etc.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:06 | 1382397 Abiotic Oil
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Anyone who clings to the historically untrue -- and thoroughly immoral -- doctrine that `violence never settles anything' I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.

-Robert Heinlein

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:16 | 1384439 BigJim
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Hmmm. I'd have thought that of all people, Napoleon and Hitler would have been forced to come to the conclusion that violence wasn't the answer.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:37 | 1382460 FeralSerf
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That's why the TSA was formed -- so you can't leave whenevery you want, especially with any of the PTB's stuff.  And don't try hiding any of their eagles (or diamonds or dope) by swallowing them or shoving them up your ass either.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 12:29 | 1382577 A Nanny Moose
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Ideas are bullet-proof

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 15:54 | 1382905 if
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Ah, the solution of choice for petty dictators and warlords.  Maybe what the modern USA lacks is a population unafraid of adversity.  Fortis fortuna adiuvat.


Sun, 06/19/2011 - 16:56 | 1382998 MagicHandPuppet
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I hear that there were six million jews who felt the same as you.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:12 | 1384431 BigJim
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No, because if they had, they would have flown out.

They decided to 'stay' instead.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 20:26 | 1383357 robobbob
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you're right. violence is usually a poor choice for problem solving and should only be used as a last resort.

and we'll be busily taking notes on how it should be handled when we see your great surge of peaceful public indignation clear away the corrupt EU and the crony-bankers

until then, we'll stick to stockpiling our "just in case" supplies. Oh, you forget to mention whether in most of "free" europe, if that's even legal.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 00:40 | 1381874 Xibalba
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Thank the Irish Blowtard, aka. crime syndicate chief Kelly.  He an Bloomy decided that a police state was in their best interest....

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 03:39 | 1382031 AnAnonymous
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Time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end.



Honouring yourself? Black does not really envision the consequences of pouring down US citizens onto the world. It is going to be rough days for the locals. Oppression US style repeated all over the world.


Black is also duplicitous in the way he dismisses a real issue US citizens'POV.

Take two regions A and B. A transfers wealth from B, A pours wastes (toxic, nuclear etc) on B etc...

In this doing, A is growing better than B mechanically and B is growing worser than A mechanically.


People living on A rejoice at the thought their place is the best to live in the world and they rationalize the actions to B trough various means. A people work to keep that way.


As they do so, they trap themselves on A. Dissenters on A are "free to move to B" if they are unpleased with the ways A treats B.

As A keeps destroying B, A makes of A the only place of choice to live on.

That is the story of the US. It is self inflicted and changes the narrative.

Contrary to Black's assumptions, it is not about how to leave A but how to stay on A. A people have grown richer by turning B into a waste. It has been their way to success.

Now why would authority on A uses the situation to increase their power, their enjoyment? The authority knows perfectly well that A has destroyed its options of living elsewhere, that they have trapped themselves on A and will suffer many power abuses because they have worked to make of A the only place worth living on.


That is the situation of the US. The question "where to go" is very valid as the US has engaged in a destruction of the exterior of the US in order to up their wealth. Do people really want to go and live in places where the US is sending its toxic, radioactive waste? Of course not. Like asking if a executioner wants to sit on the torture chair.


The power grab, the so called police state is the natural consequence of the US citizens work. It is as US citizens have wanted it to be. And they are successful in that.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:45 | 1382479 FeralSerf
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It appears that the toxic, radioactive waste is now being delivered to the homeland thanks to the prevailing westerlies.  (And Homeland Security doesn't even care!)  How does that figure into your equation?

One could wonder if there has been another "homeland" created surreptitiously considering how much real estate has been acquired by members and agents of TPTB in South American countries like Paraguay and Argentina, conveniently not on the leeward side of Fukushima.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 16:00 | 1382913 Cathartes Aura
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It appears that the toxic, radioactive waste is now being delivered to the homeland thanks to the prevailing westerlies.  (And Homeland Security doesn't even care!)  How does that figure into your equation?

the fences bordering the "homeland" livestock pens will continue to be maintained so as to prevent losing valuable livestock, irrespective of the deteriorating living conditions. . . the livestock appear to be mostly oblivious to such things as food, water, and air quality, most of which are poisonous to them, systems that appear to be designed to push them towards that fabulous money earner, "health"care, which is a designed feature of their farm, extracting their "earnings" until the(ir) very end. . . managed "newsy" programs never mention the airborne particles they breath daily, so as not to "panic" the herd; this includes "weather" modification particles, and nanotechnology experiments, which are advancing daily, as favoured members of the herd are promoted through their advanced disregard for humans, being.

As to your mentioning of land acquisition in S. America, same as it ever was - look into the history of colonising there, and the resettling of war criminals from last century's numerous wars.  Eventually they will shit that nest to ruin as well. . .

Wed, 06/22/2011 - 00:15 | 1390965 FOREX loop.
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This is why we all need guns, and a survivalist mindset. The guns are for the government, the mindset is for day to day life. We are seeing another generation of angsty youth (see the link below, young college cat screaming bloody murder over the SWAT home invasion a while back). Uh... the future isn't going to be fun.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:23 | 1381334 Hacked Economy
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Good will we actually defend ourselves if the SHTF for real?  This is the burning question.

I personally believe that many low-end (city, municipal) police will stand down to protect their families and neighbors.  It's the upper levels (state troopers, military, FBI/CIA/BATF, etc.) we'll have to watch out for.  They're the ones with the action plans to squash resistance and protect their own interests over the public's.

Then again...remember the Los Angeles "Rodney King" riots almost twenty years ago?  When the cops discovered they were sorely outnumbered (and by mostly unarmed people), they retreated to safer areas.  There are a LOT more armed and liberty-loving Americans than thugs.

As we all know (or should know):

"...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."


Funny how history plays out.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:43 | 1381436 dollarmite
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You really think when the SHTF it's going to be low-end cops fighting for the big guy? Try Blackwater/XE/Carebears. When the SFTF, it will be drones from BAE, bullets from Israel and a shit load of hired goons from Blackwater.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:00 | 1381465 scatterbrains
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fo real dude, the watts stand down was just not to hurt anyone's feelings. In the real deal flesh and gristle is gonna be a spraying

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:04 | 1381472 Hacked Economy
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Hello?  Did you read my comment above or not?  That's pretty much exactly what I said...the little guys will be standing down and siding with the average Joe to protect the community, while the BIG guys will be working to "contain" us in a macro sense.  We all know local firefighters and police (possibly even from within our own families) who have a greater sense of dedication to us on a personal level.  But the goons in black boots don't know us or care.  They'll be the ones with the fingers on the trigger and the free one-way tickets to your local FEMA camp.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:00 | 1382390 trav7777
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the local police are the worst thugs.  State police tend to be the ones with some honor as they are the more attractive candidates coming out of the military.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:44 | 1382477 MsCreant
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I think they are hot too trav7777!!!

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 22:01 | 1383568 Ranger4564
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Don't forget that foreign soldiers / police a la UN Security Forces, Foreign Legion, and so on, will be enlisted to restore control to the unruly nations.  TPTB are not so stupid as to use the local military or police only on their own people.. they'll create the emotional detachment. That is what has been happening throughout the African Continent and other foreign multinational interventions already.  I know that the Department of Homeland Security / FEMA performed a drill in 2009 where soldiers from Australia, Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom took part in exercises to control the citizenry.   Look up National Level Exercise 2009. In addition, Interpol and other police authorities have free jurisdiction to enter the US, and have received presidential diplomatic immunity.  You'll find it if you search for diplomatic immunity Interpol.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 01:52 | 1384125 CompassionateFascist
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"OH - Oh...Canada's got 4 tugboats///we surrender"




Here's news, Fightclubbers: Texas ain't France. And when Texas secedes, numerous other states go with it, bringing NG units with heavy weapons. So this fight isn't going to be at all one-sided.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 22:37 | 1381697 SMG
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I don't care.  I'm not leaving and I'm not giving up and I have a family.   Better to die free and fighting, than to live afraid and a slave.  That goes for all of my family too.

Tell everyone as rationally as you can, about the oligarchy, even if it takes 100 times.

Start a new anti oligarchy political party.  Get rid of the central banking system.  Break the lobbyist's hold on our elected representatives.

Keep trying no matter what.

And if that doesn't work.  Grab you some Rockfellers, Warburgs, Mellons.   Grab you some bankers. Grab you some oil company heads.  Grab you some Federal Reserve people.  Get names, addresses.  Let's do it 1776 style.  

Long live true freedom.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 00:26 | 1381852 Popo
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Got guns?

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 08:51 | 1382232 NumberNone
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You've also got a gigantic illegal immigrant community in the US.  How will they react should TPTB feel the need to suppress internal dissent?  Flee...Fight with the locals....Get armed by TPTB to help suppress? 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 10:05 | 1382320 Confuchius
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STFU! You are terrifying the Afghans, who are throwing all the "unbeatable" armies / mercenaries out of their country. And not for the first time.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:56 | 1382498 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You really think when the SHTF it's going to be low-end cops fighting for the big guy? Try Blackwater/XE/Carebears. When the SFTF, it will be drones from BAE, bullets from Israel and a shit load of hired goons from Blackwater.


This is why the US government will never bring home the troops that are fighting and/or stationed overseas. We've already seen years of delay tactics regarding their withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, some troops have been withdrawn from Iraq, and the CONmedia (corporate-pwned news media) always give such events the mandated coverage oversaturation. When these same troops are then redeployed elsewhere, the CONmedia will, at best, occasionally provide a momentary whisper, buried under a tsunami of the latest Weiner-gate du jour.

Keeping American troops deployed overseas serves two purposes, aside from the obvious one of providing muscle behind a global protection racket. First, deployed troops are in a better position to receive continuous force-fed propaganda about how they're keeping America safe and fighting for their country. The more time that the troops spend in America, the more likely it is that they'll figure out that they're actually fighting for Goldman Sachs, JPM, the Federal Reserve (and its foreign owners), General Electric, Monsanto, and the rest of the big boys in the "American" faeceocracy. They might not be so gung-ho if they were to discover this truth, or if they learned how their wounded brothers-in-arms were really treated:


The second purpose of keeping troops deployed overseas is, quite literally, to keep them overseas. Eventually, some critical percentage of these troops will come to an understanding of the situation (certainly no later than when the paychecks stop). When this tipping point is reached, the faeceocracy will know that it's game over and time to flee to their bunker estates in far away lands.

Their last scheme here will be to buy time to facilitate their escape. Troops deployed overseas will be abandoned, their supply chains cut off at the source and their communications infrastructure "disrupted by cyber-terrorists". The Blackwater/XE goon squads will be given special domestic emergency power and paid with wheelbarrows full of $100 FRNs. Their primary missions will be to provide cover for the flight of the oligarchs. The top-level goons will be taken along to provide bunker security, and by the time the rest of the goons realize that they've been played for patsies, the select few will have made their escape. The only potential threat to their plan would be a significant number of in-country troops with combat experience and a belief that their sacred oath was to protect the constitution, not the government.

Expect to see more reasons given for keeping troops deployed and even increasing the number that are deployed.


Sun, 06/19/2011 - 23:02 | 1383704 rambo1028
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You are on point. They will never bring our troops home. They would be bringing them home to a mess and no jobs and they KNOW where the average enlisted persons loyalty will lie. If they brought them all home it would be a mere matter of a year or less before we revolted.TPTB know this and they are afraid.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 01:22 | 1381911 kekekekekekeke
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my boyfriend's a state trooper. I know where he'd stand if SHTF

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 09:23 | 1382265 UGrev
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and where is that? 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 10:45 | 1382369 chumbawamba
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Probably "down".  Everyone will have their orders, and to disobey will mean instant punishment.

America is heading for despotism.  It was told to me.

The sad thing is this fight can be won, in fact it can be won right now, and rather easily.

Passive resistance: play the system by the rules given but play it against itself.

1. Don't pay your taxes, but don't announce that you aren't paying (lest you be labeled a "tax resister).  Follow all the steps to respond to inquiries from tax authorities but deny that you are owing.  Request hearings to which you are entitled.  Make the system follow its own rules.  It hates having to do that because you use up its resources while depriving it of more.

2. Default on all your credit cards.  Max them out and then stop paying.  Ignore the calls when they start coming in.  In fact, change your phone number.  It will take over a year for them to catch up with you, and then they still have to try to collect.  Make them spend more time, energy and resources going after you.  In most cases they won't.  They will give up on you to focus on the hapless boob.

3. Fight any citations you receive.  Traffic tickets are childs play, once you know how.  If even 5% of everyone who received a ticket contested it in court, the system would collapse.  You are innocent until proven guilty.  Make them prove it.  In the process, much time, energy and resources will be expended.


The strategy is to use every possible delay and review tactic to avoid adding resources to the system for as long as possible.  So simple.  Everyone can participate.  No guns, no bullets, hell hardly any money need even be spent.  You simply use the tools the system has given you.  In effect, you can be a hero for simply doing nothing.  If you're afraid, why?  They can't come after us all.  The more of their time/energy/resources you suck up, the easier it will be for all of us.

I know this works because I've done it and have found some success.  I'm not saying anything new here.  I have explained this all before, but it seems no one (and of course I mean that figuratively) wants to do even the simple things to resist.  This is a nation of dumbed-down cowards who have accepted their fate.  I was just talking about this to a neighbor last night.  He's a sales and marketing guy at a big media corporation who is lost in a haze of booze and weed and all the circuses that Rome puts out for his distractive enjoyment.  He'd rather ignore the signs that his life is rapidly descending into serfdom and forget that his existence has no meaning.  As long as he can get hammered on weekends and have a game to watch, he's content.  Good luck with that.

It all comes down to my regular clarion call: WITHDRAW YOUR CONSENT.  If you would simply stop cooperating with the system and simply exercised your right to NOT participate we could be done with this by next weekend.  But no, hardly anyone wants to suffer even mild discomfort.  No one wants to be inconvenienced.  Resisting is hard work.

But I have seen it.  It has been foretold.  There won't be any grand resistance put up.  Most people will simply slink back into their shell and cower before their masters.  Liberation and freedom will eventually return, but none of you who stood by and let it be taken from you will be around to enjoy it.  You reap what you sow.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:59 | 1382508 medicalstudent
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so the owners of the nation (bankers) are the alpha male take it or leave it cutthroat no bullshit kind of people, right? they would never let others make decisions for them.


is there anything necessarily anti-darwinian with asking (not coercing, this would be very different) pathetic excuses for atomic sovereignty (sheeple) to irradiate themselves? voluntarily give up resources? donate their choices to others? 


if they are pussies enough to agree to it evolution would accelerate itself if the peasants chose to destroy their own dna. ignorance was never adaptive; bankers have apparently decided to start penalizing it, however.


the world has enough people and too few resources that it apparently must become boobytrapped to determine who deserves unencumbered consciousness; that thing called life.


stopped understanding how most people live theirs.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 23:43 | 1383794 financeguru500
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There is only one problem with your solution.

The majority of U.S. citizens now receive money from the government in one way or another. They hate it but need it at the same time. Think about this, 45 million Americans receive food stamps. 28 Million Americans receive Unemployment benefits. About 2 million Americans are Federal workers with significantly higher numbers when you include all levels of government like city workers and police. If I had to guess I would estimate total government workers at all levels around 10 million. Then consider military personnel at 1.5 million active and 1.5 million reserve.

I am sure some of the numbers could cancel each other out when considering that people on unemployment are probably receiving food stamps as well. But if I had to venture a guess, id say that around 70 million Americans receive money from the government in one way or another. That is about 23% of the U.S. population.

Then consider all the businesses that receive most of their business from the government or from government assistance has allowed them to stay in business.

Everything is so intertwined and so many people have their hand in the cookie jar that the only people who actually want to stand up and fight the system are the ones not currently receiving benefits from the system and who are struggling to make it. The people who still have jobs and make decent money aren't wanting to stand up and fight because they are still sitting pretty.


Sun, 06/19/2011 - 06:38 | 1382127 HitTheFan
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Just a list of names: Jamie Dimon, Lloyd Blankfein, Ben Bernanke, Obama, Rockefeller, Buffett, Tom Keene, Clinton, Bush, Cheney, Soros, Rumsfeld, Hank Paulson, Krugman, Altman, Kissinger, Summers, Sacks, Heinz, Rothschild, Ballmer, Brzezinski, De Rothschild, Gore, Harrimans. Anyone on the Trilateral Commission. Any known Bilderberger. I could go on (the families of the above for example).


You don't really want to be fighting armed police. If the US people going to fight, they should fight smart.


The IRA nearly took out the whole UK govt. And now they are in Govt in Ireland.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:10 | 1382405 ArmchairRevolut...
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That list is a good start.

You might add Simon Black to that list since he is playing both the police will overpower you card and the false divide card: "At its simplest, the conflict comes down between those who believe that government is the problem, and those who believe that government is the solution."

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 07:57 | 1382190 dearth vader
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how will we actually defend ourselves if the SHTF for real?

Didn't you notice the shit level is already reaching your eyeballs and rising. The fan, actually, is mounted on the ceiling. When TSHTF you'll be too deep in it to do very much about it.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:03 | 1381335 High Wire
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Started out great and then collapsed into the two party paradigm bullshit.  This the second article like this today! Shirley Zero Hedge can find sharper "Guests" than this.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:26 | 1381390 Antarctico
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Surely you did not mean Shirley. So, who's Shirley?

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:30 | 1381403 navy62802
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Don't call me Shirley!

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:34 | 1381547 ISEEIT
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Crap. Your observation is crap. Fact is the author speaks the truth. We have been boxed in to a police state that is to powerful to confront head on: and it happened 'just like that'.

We can't in good conscience continue to prop this regime and we also cannot fight it face to face.

I believe in the long run that it will continue to self destruct. It is evil and does not function according to natural law. The 'best laid plans' will die.

These are sick and devious people. Our best trade is to be patient and wait for them to fail while supporting their crap as little as possible.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 04:14 | 1382050 TheMerryPrankster
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Improvised explosive devices seem to be a problem for large well organized armies fighting overseas in countries like Iraq. I'm sure such devices would be troublesome should a domestic military threat arise.

Got Casio? Might be a good time to become a watch and prepaid cellphone collector.

The more complicated a weapon system becomes, the more points of failure it has. Think of the Police force as a giant weapons system, find the flaws. Marbles and ball bearings, glue, tar, gasoline, broken glass, all are troublesome when encountered by a motor vehicle or individual.


Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:04 | 1382401 trav7777
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in order to win such a war of attrition you have to create a lot of materiel losses for the superior force.  For a revolution, this road goes through the resultant raise of taxes and fees in order to buy new stuff.  Only once the forfeiture, seizure, theft, tax, fee structure is so onerous that people start going greek on it, will the system collapse.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 05:39 | 1382098 AnAnonymous
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Fact is the author speaks the truth. We have been boxed in to a police state that is to powerful to confront head on: and it happened 'just like that'.

We can't in good conscience continue to prop this regime and we also cannot fight it face to face.


It is way too late for considerations like this.

Actually, the author is wrong: US citizens have built their system with the reverse goal: if you opt out, you are destroyed (quickly and painfully)

This is the way US citizens have wanted their system to work and this, from the very beginning.

US citizens have been striving (and have been successful) at destroying any possible alternatives to them. It is their way of doing since its inception. There has been no deviation from the start (deviation is US propaganda to hide the decivilizationistic factor of their system)


The increase of power is a natural consequence of this trend: people in authority enjoy exerting power (this is why they  want to exert power) and any increase of power (abuse) pleases them.

Now that the US citizens have built such a system, they are trapped within it. They can not move elsewhere or they are going to be destroyed by what they built. As they are captive, they must endure the abuses of power.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 09:18 | 1382256 Reptil
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Ok, I understand your point. The logical conclusion you draw is that the best way to fight (violently) is not to fight.

But answer me this please? When they fail, and they will, what is the course of action you propose when they do? Or are you going to let them "fix" the mistake, like they have pretended before?

1. The "accident" of Fukushima. It destroyed a part of Japan. A very valuable place for the japanese. As outlined by GW here and others, the whole industry, and it's response to crises has been disastrous in itself. Am I to believe this is just incompetence? Perhaps it is, but the circumstances can as well be a setup. IMO very likely. The problems with plants of the basin of the Mississippi and now, recently, higher upstream are indicative of intent. They certainly knew things could go wrong, despite their own, errorous  contingency plans. Who's pulling the brakes on this runaway industry? Not the present governments of the USA and Japan. (where serious accidents have occurred and are occurring) Not even governments of other countries, who are affected by this disaster. Conclusion I draw is that choosing the crew that caused the problem, to be also responsible for cleaning up the mess (if possible), is not a terribly successful course of action.

2. The "accident" in the Gulf of Mexico. At least half of all the oil, mixed with corexit is still there, destoyed life there and will continue to be impossible to clean up. Moreover it threatens a larger part of the world, because the residual effect of the oil-correxit being able to cross oil-water barriers in the sea, clouds, but also cell membrames inside living organisms.

3. The third attack I see is the replacement of organic fauna and flora, with a new biotope of organisms that are extremely hostile to us, human beings, and all other (organic) life on this planet. New pathogens cross the animal-plant barrier, which is extremely rare and concerning. These pathogens are harmful in this way that infant mortality, and mortality of adult animals (cows) has risen to unprecedented levels, 45%. Look at the element Manganese, and it's functions, and then look into what is different when using Glyphosphate.

This effort is not only supported by the Government of the leading western countries (USA and Netherlands), it is also under the protection of these governments, and in case of Monsanto it is intimately intertwined, connected, with the US Government. The Obama administration is an even more avid contributor to this development than the previous. Only now are main stream media giving even the slightest attention to this, here.

4. Fourth there is the "war on drugs". Apart from criminalising a part of the population without much ethical or even legal (basic laws) considerations, it is also a vehicle to propel the use of Glyphosphate into one of the more biodiverse parts of the world. (mountian jungles on BOTH sides of the Andes). Then it removes the abillity to develop, on the smaller scale of the individual household, and on the larger scale of "science", uses for very useful and interesting plants like hemp. There is now proof it is a cancer inhibitor. It can be used to replace plastics. It can be used to cure mental problems. It's a source of fibrous material that can replace all sorts of things. It produces cooking oil, of a very good quality. It is also a psychotropic compound. And patents of it's genetic makeup are covered in those for Glyphosphate resistent Cannabis. Oh and you all know of course about the illegal trade of cocaïne and heroïne are huge and provided liquidity for banks (during the 2008 crash). I have no reason to suspect it will be anything different in the future.

5. Then, there's the attack of the pharmaceutical industry in combination with the food industry as a whole, on the people of western countries first, and the greater world second, in the form of non-effective "treatment" of symptomes only. This, again protected and actively supported by the american and other western governments. It has created a moloch of an industrial conglomerate, which origins can, to name one head of the Hydra  be found at IG Farben, and it's daughters. It's products through human waste now can be found in most drinking water suppies in the USA, a cycle of additives. The effect is twofold: real medicine (including the (unauthorised) use of medicinal plants in the EU) is constricted to a system which is controlled and coerced by a monopolic industry. It offers no alternatives, however promising those are.

Apart from that the E-coli bacterium that caused deaths, and a widespread warning about first produce from Spain, and then to a warning, and tightening of regulations influencing the right to grow organic vegetables, was discovered to be an abomination made up of different agressive rare E-coli strands, and also genetic code of the Plague. For this to appear in the package (not the farm supposedly at the source) can only mean one thing; a deliberate poisioning.

To cut my opinion in the form of an observation short: Gentlemen, we are under attack. Not just nations, not just a class of people, not even "everyone not part of some shadow group that holds power". Every living thing that was part of the natural life that supported us, on this planet is under attack. I do not subscibe to the "incompetence" theory, because of above examples, which are logically, in my mind, the symptomes of this very serious threat.


I do not know who, or even what is the driving, controlling force behind this. The situation is complex, but connections can be seen, and made with now available (scientific) evidence.

There is, in my opinion, a simple and logical way to treat this fault (in the defense) of our planetary systems. First identification and a response to counter it: Accountabillity with repercussions (that are a fitting response to the act committed) is one part of a solution. That, however, is "pie in the sky" thinking. To slay a Hydra, a resolve, and coöperation of opposing forces to the multi-headed adversary is needed:

We are losing a war, and we can't even see it.


I'm watching, as entertainment, some old Startrek Voyager episodes. (from the nineties, when some of the same issues were part of the public discourse) Watch episode 7 season 4 "Scientific Method" (Stardate 51244.3). A simple but fitting analogy.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 10:28 | 1382350 Bam_Man
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P urity

O f

E ssence


"Got that, Mandrake?"

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 12:54 | 1382591 YHC-FTSE
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This is one of the most interesting posts I've read in awhile. Much better than my usual dig at the military industrial complex. 


You almost said it yourself: control, profit and monopoly on life itself. But a concerted effort to destroy all life on earth doesn't seem quite right in comparison. Whenever I compare industries and their strategies in r&d roi, I always think about the HP case study. They made printers and sold them at a loss knowing that all the profit was in the cartridges. They deliberately design incompatible cartridge shapes and sizes for each generation because the revenue stream is in dependency of the consumer on their product and being forced to keep on purchasing essential peripherals to use it. It is the same with cars and petrol, toys and batteries, and no different in big pharma. The holy grail of any corporation making products is to have one that human beings must purchase every day to survive. 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 13:59 | 1382718 TheMerryPrankster
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I fully understand the "give away the razor to sell the blades business model", but I must fault you for not mentioning the one segment of indespensible american life which truly must have ink cartridges to survive. That is the most omnipotent of printing companies, the Federal Reserve. I bet they keep HP in business (grin)

I know FRN are printed using intaglio and copious amounts of hot air, and thousands of tiny helicopters all piloted by he who must not be named, the great bearded one who guards our money and our faith in our money, the wise and all powerful Bernanke.

Lets start a kitty to reward anyone who sucessfully shaves that beard off the Bernanke. I will offer the first dollar, let many more flow to this much needed project.


Ink the lifeblood of our fiat, off the gold standard and onto the ink standard. The true brilliance of the oligarchy, turning nothing into something and charging us for the priviledge of being conned. Brilliant, borderline satanic.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 16:24 | 1382754 YHC-FTSE
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Yep. Although like all cons, Bernanke and the USD business model fall in the luxury fashion brand category, since the products they sell have no value, no tangible presence (99% of all money is electronic), but exist solely through marketing and brand name positioning strategies.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 14:46 | 1385610 Reptil
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It IS a concerted effort to destroy all life on this planet:

Of course "built-in obsolescence" in products in the consumer society has resulted in huge garbage piles, and displacement of valuable resources (one notable is silver, and rare earth metals), but this is just part of a larger completely UNsustainable "commercialisation" of ALL natural resources, and its replacement by something that's not even fit to be let out of a lab.
I don't put the focus on consumer society, you could put that down as attack #6. And like the other attacks, I see it as one fase, one head of the Hydra, in a bigger development, one that started earlier, with different goals (check IG Farben).

Unless we (independent thinkers) pull together and persuade the elite that they're NOT excluded from the coming EXTINCTION EVENT, despite their bunkers, underground cities, extensive technology and even their run towards the singularity (collective consciousness inside a mainframe), we, and all life here on Earth are finished soon. And they CAN see this as well. So something else but stupidity and adherence to short term (business) goals is at work here, since the real powerbrokers are beyond these issues like consumer economy.

It's going rapidly now; the results are in (hattip to M.)


And thank you for the kind words, it's been an idea that has been bubbling in my mind for quite some time, I still can't put my finger on the ultimate cause, the reason WHY, because it's so alien to our collective goal as living creatures, despite the ratrace of the "best man wins". So please take your time to reflect, and perhaps shoot holes in the proposed thesis, I think we have to come up with a solution through collaboration.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 08:18 | 1388239 YHC-FTSE
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It's a great summation and a feast for thought. As you can tell, I think the potential for the extinction level event is a consequence of greed and probably not a deliberate concerted effort, but therein lies the rub. The reason why is not as important as the fact that it is happening. 


I watched a documentary on C4 last night in the UK called Dispatches: Conservation's Dirty Secrets. It's an indictment of the way how even the cuddly international conservation organizations are in bed with their corporate sponsors for the $3B dollar a year donations and how they are screwing up everything they touch, but what most disturbed me was that we are losing millions of species of flora and fauna wholesale around the world. That is an undeniable fact. Most of the surface of the earth is water, and that water is poisoned. Over a hundred years of dumping chemicals, radioactive, domestic and industrial wastes later the oceans are dying. 


Solution through collaboration is the best idea, but trying to persuade the elites that they cannot survive a dead earth is another matter altogether. Elites who are not directly involved in industry will be easy - many are environmental advocates, but those whose power and wealth are directly linked to poisoning the environment and fighting wars will not be so easy. They will fight with disinformation, the law and the politicians and their employees at their side. And barring a disaster we can all taste, see and smell, they almost always win. I remember during the last environmental crisis (The 70-80's) when environmentalists were campaigning to ban CFCs, there were environmental books on the best seller list. But until skin cancer incidents went through the roof, absolutely nobody listened to the doomers and kooks (like me) who so passionately worried about the state of the planet. 


So there are no holes in your thesis. They are all observable phenomenae. The only difference between our views is you see a concerted effort, and I see a consequence of human greed. Every day I see sickening immoral behaviour in the engines of our society, whether in the futures trading of staple foods, the buying and selling of insurance on the bankruptsy of countries (CDS), the poisoning and modification of our foods for profit, or the massive exploitation of anything/anybody remotely exploitable. Yet when I point out the dubious nature of profiting from harm and suffering, there will be hundreds, if not thousands of people out there who will come to the defence of these industries to rationalise the immoral. 


We need more Clair Pattersons in this world, and fewer Thomas Midgleys, but until we all decide where our priorities lie - in greed for more consumption or in health for a better life, we will keep on being the destructive locusts and we will keep on electing those who are in bed with the biggest locust of them all: The global giants of American industries.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 14:26 | 1382764 mt paul
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interesting perspective....

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 16:45 | 1382988 Jendrzejczyk
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Thank you for taking the time to write your post.

Poignant, eloquent and truthful.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 16:50 | 1382990 Jendrzejczyk
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Your junker is an ass.

(Double post taken advantage of)

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 17:14 | 1383011 Cathartes Aura
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thank you for taking the time to first SEE, then put into words your observations, Reptil - it is a perspective not many are willing to adopt.

We are losing a war, and we can't even see it.

I would amend this statement to ". . . most willfully refuse to LOOK at it".

global aerosoling the air we breathe, that we need to live, happens on a daily basis in most "western" nationstates - if you find yourself unwilling to take this truth into your reality, search: weather modification and do some reading, taking note of all that is being sprayed - one needn't go to the sites deemed lunatic, there are sites advertising their services, legally. . . most people, when asked to simply LOOK UP at their skies and ACKNOWLEDGE what is overhead, cannot even perform this simple task.

as the numbers of respiratory illness, and childhood asthma, continue to increase, people just run to allopathic medicine for their breathing appliances and drugs, and seem to never wonder why this is occurring.

yeah, and don't get me started on aerosoled nano-technology. . .

((and folks, just ponder how easy it will be to substitute what is currently being sprayed for something from their biowarfare stock - y'know, like what was sold to Saddam to use on the Kurds, so as to stop any pesky homegrown terrrrrrrrrrsts. . . or take Billy Bilderberger Gates' airborne sweat activated vaccines, add a dose of whatever new plague they're "testing" on populations. . .))

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 23:14 | 1383723 DollarMenu
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Thank you Reptil.

A really interesting perspective that I am very glad to have read.

Your thoughtful posts always expand my view of things.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:36 | 1381553 ISEEIT
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Crap. Your observation is crap. Fact is the author speaks the truth. We have been boxed in to a police state that is to powerful to confront head on: and it happened 'just like that'.

We can't in good conscience continue to prop this regime and we also cannot fight it face to face.

I believe in the long run that it will continue to self destruct. It is evil and does not function according to natural law. The 'best laid plans' will die.

These are sick and devious people. Our best trade is to be patient and wait for them to fail while supporting their crap as little as possible.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 00:24 | 1381856 TimmyM
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Asymmetric warfare bitchez.
Stock pile riot gear
Get enough to pass out to your cohorts
Buy it with cash while you can

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 03:00 | 1382002 Popo
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Quite amazing watching how quickly ZH has moved from awareness, to preparedness, to defiance.


Sun, 06/19/2011 - 08:54 | 1382236 Sudden Debt
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As long as they're not promoting a suicide pact, it's oké :)


Sun, 06/19/2011 - 23:14 | 1383732 rambo1028
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Anyone who thinks "they" aren't watching and reading this site closely is absurd.... Wonder if I have made the "list" yet?


Strange days indeed...

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 23:52 | 1383821 Chicken_Little
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We are all on the LIST. I recommended to Tyler that he not stay in Manhatten hotel rooms or tweet naked pics of his Anthony Weiner. But seriously, you know the GS and JPM and other boyz are reading this site daily. This has become the Wall Street Bank's worse nightmare. But this is the place to go for general info, and boy it's hot. If Wall Street ever tried to take this site down, look out for LUTZ.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:00 | 1381339 treemagnet
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Go to for ways to survive and thrive.  Caution: you'll never believe how delicate and polite you must be there, I mean Mr. Rogers is an offensive, bigoted, racist asshole to the bulk of those folks.  I'm sure there are other places to go too though.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 05:53 | 1382104 ping
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I assume I would last five seconds before they had multiple faintings and blackballed me. 

I love ZH's freedom. It's like Encyclopedia Dramatica but without the intellectual pretensions ;o)


Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:05 | 1381344 Cdad
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It begs the question– for all the ‘stay and fight’ people, who exactly are you fighting? And more importantly, how?

Who are we fighting for?  Liberty.

How?  Bankrupt them.  

This situation, most simply, calls for the Revolution of the Closed Wallet.  Two thirds of the US economy is tied to consumer spending.  Both the banker/corporate class and the political class REQUIRE consumption in order to survive economically.  If Average Joe would just get it through his head and shift spending only to necessities, things would begin to change quite considerably, I suspect.

This might not be the only thing necessary to affect change, but it would be a very good first step in order to expose just how vulnerable the Iron Clad Kleptocracy really is.  Foreign buyers of our debt seem to agree with me.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:26 | 1381389 Hacked Economy
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This is, in essence, the perfect way to starve the beast.  Stop buying so much crap on credit.

Unfortunately, the contraction of credit on the TBTF's books - and therefore a massive national deflation - will only encourage Timmy and Bennie to make up the difference with more printing.  So the plan to starve the beast would work for only a while...

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 22:21 | 1381655 Oracle of Kypseli
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Non-consumption is a great defence, but it does come with a price. The unemployment will jump to 25-30% which will make people suffer, but at the same time will motivate them to fight and kill, as needed.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 00:56 | 1381862 Cdad
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 The unemployment will jump to 25-30%

Well, since we are almost to those levels already, if you use any real measurement of unemployment, let us set about the taking of whatever pain is needed to at least get something for our suffering.  And by getting something, how about we start with about 100,000 pink slip out of the NY, NY financial services group?

After that, maybe a couple hundred thousand more nation wide.

Real capital will not form under such a corrupt and incompetent regime of bankers...and as such, the Greater American Depression will roll on, anyway.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 03:12 | 1382007 edotabin
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Yeah 25% unemployement in China.

Non-consumption is a great all around.  TPTB are moving everything eastward because we can't consume enough anyway.



Sun, 06/19/2011 - 23:21 | 1383745 rambo1028
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That's called hastening the inevitable.... I would rather fight the fight now so maybe my children and grandchildren have a shot a decent life.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:34 | 1381406 dick cheneys ghost
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i agree.......starve a banker......

Tyler has not posted this yet, got it from 4closurefraud........


empire state rebellion "strategic default" july 4th...i applaud them for trying..

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:35 | 1381409 Use of Weapons
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You missed the flight.


Oh dear.


Ok, look kid - Madison Avenue [your advertising gurus] has published data showing that, basically, if you're not earning $200k / year before the age of 34, you ain't never going to. Oh, and 0.1% of the population owns >>70% of it. Do you not get it, you feeble minded pleb?



Now work out how much in debt you are, then divide it by 10, then take that many hours before posting again. Because, your ideas are fucking retarded.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:37 | 1381546 Cdad
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Not a very good first shot at "trolling me nauw."  First off, your comment is incomprehensible:

 "if you're not earning $200k / year before the age of 34, you ain't never going to. Oh, and 0.1% of the population owns >>70% of it."  



I'm going to go ahead and presume you mean that 70% of "it" is wealth...which makes my point.  If 70% of it is owned by the super wealthy, it = equity [stock, bonds, real estate].  These things require consumption in order to keep "value" going in the preferred direction.  Whether we are talking about the sales at Apple [and the associated stock] or the value of the mall [real estate] in which the Apple store is located, consumption drives value.  Two thirds of our entire economy is consumer driven.  The key here is deflation which accompanies a contracting economy.


I'm going to just assume that the above comment was written down accidentally, a mistake if you will, as it is patently absurd.  Additionally, my point quite obviously implies that a $200k salary is not necessary at all to live the Revolution of the Closed Wallet...which seems to have to slipped past you.  

And since I have no appreciable debt, I'm going to go ahead and post as quickly or slowly as I see fit.

So, your insults aside, I fail to see the point I presume you are trying to make.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 22:09 | 1381636 traderjoe
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Sat, 06/18/2011 - 22:58 | 1381724 Bolweevil
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Cdad wins.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 10:04 | 1382310 DaveyJones
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Good stuff Cdad. This, and information, is the only war we can win 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 00:35 | 1381855 Cdad
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Sun, 06/19/2011 - 02:56 | 1382000 AnAnonymous
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 Both the banker/corporate class and the political class REQUIRE consumption in order to survive economically.


The starving the Beast mantra is laughable. I dont agree with the article that US citizens are deluded. They are duplicitous.


Starving the Beast: two ways of doing.

 -You are in a position to starve the Beast without starving yourself.

-To starve the Beast, you have to starve yourself.


In the US citizens'hands, only the second is. US citizens lost the first way a long time ago. Not only they lost it but they are the ones who organized the loss of it. They welcomed it. They worked for it.


As starving the Beast requires US citizens to starve themselves, it can barely happen now.

Big sign of duplicity when you work to remove an option from the table and later, claim you want to use that option.


The US citizen nature is eternal.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 04:24 | 1382052 TheMerryPrankster
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a garden is not that  difficult. Cave men were growing their own food thousands of years ago, without bankers or wall street or Walmart. The illusion is that we must have them to survive. The reality is they must have us to survive.

My grandparents lived off the land and did pretty well. I think I can as well.The system will destroy you unless you step outside the system. Suicide is walking down the same path, the one with the cliff at the end. Try a new path.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 05:17 | 1382087 AnAnonymous
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The system will destroy you unless you step outside the system.


US citizens have wanted it this way. And actually, it is the reverse: the system will destroy you as soon as you step outside (see my comment above)

Your comment has no bearing on the point I made.


Two ways of starving an entity and the US citizens have worked to close the non self destructing one.


US citizens would like people to believe that they do not go on strike because of work ethics. This is wrong.

People in the US go on strikes but who are they? They are Hollywood script writers, they are professional sportsmen (NBA, NFL, NHL) Check it if you dont believe it.

And why so? Because they are US citizens set in a non destructive path to starve others. Usually people in those sectors have made enough money to live several generations. They can starve others (like viewers) without starving themselves.

Others in the US are on a different path: they have to starve themselves to starve others. They dont go on strike.


The starving the beast mantra is absolutely comical. Today, to starve the beast, US citizens have to starve themselves (consume much less). It wont happen.

The starving beast mantra is just cheap propaganda by duplicitous US citizens who want to hide that they do not reject the system but are much more concerned by being pushed out of the system because they know the US system is fed by destroying an exterior. Falling on the exterior, outside the system, means being destroyed by it.


Again, just like asking a executioner to sit on the torture chair.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 14:11 | 1382747 TheMerryPrankster
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"US citizens have wanted it this way. And actually, it is the reverse: the system will destroy you as soon as you step outside"


Since when has the system been about what U.S. citizens wanted? Self sufficiency is its own reward, if it makes the system collapse, that is merely collateral damage. The problem as is obvious by many, many standards of judgement is that the system is dysfunctional and is not only not working but is destroying many who 'participate' in it.

Only a fool plays a rigged game, unless of course they are the one that rigged it. My advice stands, learn how to take care of your own needs. This predicates that you know your own needs and distinguish want from need. Desire is the chain that ties you to them, debt is the collar that holds you in their grasp as they decimate your wallet and your life.

Destroy your debt, reduce your desire. Live within your means and learn how to do the things you need done, do for yourself as much as possible. Live smart and be smart. It won't happen overnight, this isn't magic. It is controlling your environment at its most basic. Every step returns rewards directly to you, and reduces rewards to the system. Leverage yourself through knowledge and action.

Food, water and shelter are the 1st level. Secure your needs. Reduce your consumption of things that can only be provided by the system.

The system is very stressed right now, every person who reduces demand for goods and services puts more stress on a cracking system. One of us will be the straw that broke the camels back.

The system depends on you, but you do not have to depend on the system.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 06:04 | 1382108 ping
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A garden is not that  difficult. ...My grandparents lived off the land and did pretty well. I think I can as well.

I would if I had the land. Sadly, one needs an acre to feed a family, if that acre is intensively farmed, or permaculture is used. Many of us don't have access to that much. Outside of North America, land can cost a bomb. I can get a Rolls Royce cheaper than an acre of land in many parts of the UK :o(  

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 08:54 | 1382229 krispkritter
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Sadly? You're wrong...  Even if you don't own land you can 'farm' it. Unproductive land can be used in communities and in rural settings with nothing but the permission of the owner and in some cases, without. When the 'rule of law' starts to soften and bend, squatters will likely become the norm. And squatting happens in quite a few countries, including the US, today and they have more rights than you'd think. Just be prepared to protect what you produce...

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 10:14 | 1382325 DaveyJones
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Every time you grow something organically cut it and consume it, you have cut many criminals. You've taken in a few more vitamins and fiber and started to think clearer. Every time you trade a tomato, you've hit their printers. No matter how small the effort, you've hit the bankers, the tankers and the Monsanto wankers. It's a Victory Garden of a whole new sort.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 12:24 | 1382572 Strike Back
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Agreed.  Getting the ball rolling is painfully slow, but eventually there is an inflection point.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 13:30 | 1382677 Cdad
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Getting the ball rolling is painfully slow, but eventually there is an inflection point.

Exactly.  And in this case, the inflection point is not just financial...but rather when the rugged individualism of our heritage is stirred.  Self reliance!

Then comes the simple epiphanies, people suddenly remembering that paying $20 per plate for lunch at some dumb corporate restaurant, on credit of course, is a very recent norm that no longer makes sense.

Those looking for instant gratification need not apply to the Revolution of the Closed Wallet.  It will be a slow process.  And that is just fine.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 12:52 | 1382612 MsCreant
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Nice post Davey. I have always thought of it as a way to be self sufficient and not dependant. Did not think of it as rebellion. Excellent points.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 12:52 | 1382613 YHC-FTSE
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"You've hit the bankers, the tankers and the Monsanto wankers."


That would be a great slogan. It rolls off the tongue.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:06 | 1381347 theinebriatedsot
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unfortunately, I can't find anything wrong with your line of thought here; I feel the same way. I'm currently learning how to fly a plane; this is a skill I may need in the future....... :-(

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:48 | 1381449 delacroix
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learn how to steal one, too.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:18 | 1381518 scatterbrains
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reminds me of a young lad I use to work with up until I retired about a year ago. He was a farm boy who some how landed in jersey working as a trade instructor for convicts on a diary farm. I use to tell him how fucked his generation is and how he should try to recall all the things his grand dad did back in the days to put bread on the table.. canning, preserving etc. He told me, look dude I know how to fly a bush plane, if the shit hit the fan I'll just steal one of these planes across the street and fly back to upstate NY and land that sucker in a corn field. I took him at his word and thought to myself, now that is what I call improvisation.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:05 | 1382403 aheady
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Sun, 06/19/2011 - 05:07 | 1382086 reload
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All this talk of flying away from chaos in a small aeroplane is stupid. I can fly and own a small recreational aircraft but it needs fuel and can not be safely operated without a landing site. Once you have landed you are at the mercy of your environment. Small aircraft are very limited in their range and carrying capacity. The only real get out of dodge vehicle is a well stocked sailing boat. A good sea boat of around 50ft in length would enable a crew/family of six to get well off the radar with enough provisions to last for six months. Learn to sail, learn to fish and learn to navigate without GPS if you want to dissapear. The ocean is a big place, not to hard to dissapear in. You can travel the globe, and a bit of research will reveal some wilderness locations with safe anchorages. Take some seeds, head for a place upwind of any nukes with some land based fresh water and protien to hunt!

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 06:02 | 1382109 ping
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Pirates! Arr!

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 06:54 | 1382137 Rusty_Shackleford
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Well reasoned pros and cons of the "Bugging out via boat" idea.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 05:23 | 1382090 richard in norway
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Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:09 | 1381350 Use of Weapons
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If I were to answer an obvious fishing expedition like this seriously, I wouldn't - but I'd probably point readers to do their own research; some random musings from other places on the internet:

There's apparently some rather good manuals supplied by American sources [notably U.S. School of the Americas] that show that force multiplication is easy in a large geographic but demographically concentrated nation, and how 'Terrorism' is totally different to 'Guerrilla Warfare'. You could also look up the Topology of Urban Combat in three dimensional spaces [hint: Chechnya - tower blocks - RPG tank ambushes; Bosnia - tower blocks - sniper supremacy; Parkour - British Marine training and so on]. Using USA government sources, you can easily learn terrorism, counter-intelligence, torture and most violent and non-democratic ways to destroy a nation.

Likewise, you could take a lesson from the CIA, and learn how to hotfix your Ipad to stop tracking your location, and strip its OS [android is better for this] to make it into a dynamic network that wasn't accessible by hostile forces [open source crypto]; uploading / tracking other users in a combat space to provide on the wire tactical data and fluid responses is #1 goal of modern forces.

You could look into the EU police networks, and view their manuals on the modern techniques of neutralisation such as kettling, operative insertion [7 years for environmental protestor-as-policeman recently in the UK], bugging and so on and so forth. Then you could read about the tools they're using [non-violent] and work out how to use those same tools.

Then, we could look hard at passive & non-violent protests - closure of major highways through blockages; large strikes; how to stop infiltrators making violent damage & hijacking media shows, as shown by countless counter-intelligence ops done by government sources.

Bottom line - there's a great quote from a guy taken to the cleaners by the FBI (nothing he did - all instigated by a FBI paid policeman) - "They were playing chess, I was playing in the mud making pies".




>> Wise up.

>> Grow up.

>> Clue up.





Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:52 | 1381448 Antarctico
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I find your response more substantive and useful than the original poster's position that the only thing to be done is to become an ex-pat somewhere else in the world.   Sure, if the liquid funds are available, by all means bug out to South America and live off fresh fish and fried plantains. Please mind that the door doesn't hit sir's ass on the way out.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 04:47 | 1382069 i-dog
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Some good practical advice, as usual, UOW.

Take note, people: Your tax dollars paid for all that research and all those manuals and training ... So, make full use of them (while you still can)!

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 07:00 | 1382144 Rusty_Shackleford
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Total Resistance by

H. Von Dach


A somewhat dated but still seminal resource for the "what if" library.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:14 | 1381355 A_MacLaren
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I think you're confused about who the "enemy" is.  Its not the political minions and legislative errand-persons.


You will more likely find the offenders at:

33 Liberty Street New York, NY
270 Park Avenue New York, NY
200 West Street New York, NY

and similar haunts and hollows.


Sun, 06/19/2011 - 03:53 | 1382038 faustian bargain
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Without the protection and encouragement of government, those guys would just be rich dudes who wished they had power.

The enemy is us, for allowing government to fear money more than pitchforks.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:11 | 1381356 Use of Weapons
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503 - they watch ;)

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:11 | 1381357 doubleplusgood
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stop depending on their allopathic medical system, which means not being a "moral hazard" like the rest of the country who find it impossible to take care of and think for themselves.

Don't bother voting and trying to change a broken system,

get a substantial portion of your money and assets out of their system (i.e. physical gold and silver and/or putting cash into a local bank),

stop funding retirement plans and withdraw the money from their system,

pay off all debts,

stop going to their indoctrination centers (i.e. colleges, unless it's for a profession),

throw the TV out of the house,

stop getting govt benefits, and depending on the Nanny State,

stop going to their 501(c)3 churches.

This is a battle for your soul and mind. Don't give it to them freely.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 01:07 | 1381902 Miss anthrope
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A big amen to not going to their 501 (c)3 churches.  My grandmother would be mortified but I'll go back to church the day I hear one of the methodist ministers has gotten up in front of the congregation and said that war is evil and that the church should oppose it.  The trouble is there are so many fucking hypocrites in the audience that see nothing wrong with being a Christian and supporting the killing of innocent foreigners that this will never happen.  My other solution is to go ahead and move to New Hampshire with the free state project.  An entire Country as large as the USSA can not be pulled out and won over........ at least I have lost hope for it.  However, a small state with many like mindede people there who believe in very small government together in the fight could possibly do it.  That is the only chance I see.  Also, pay off all debts and got to a completely cash subsistence, doing much of your own banking/ accounts without the system.  This is the only way I can see going forward, that is not some dreamworld of unicorns and rainbows.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:15 | 1381358 gwar5
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There are many ways of fighting. 

Many won't leave because they can't leave. I'm not going to judge anyone, whatever they may choose. TPTB are counting on many giving up in frustration, it only makes their job easier. 

I'm splitting the difference. 6 months of the year in the US, and the other 6 months out of the US. Been planning it that way for the 5 years, think it'll work out fine. If things get Nazified, I won't come back, but I won't give up.

It's going to to take all kinds and many hands make light work no matter where you are.


Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:41 | 1381421 Vic Vinegar
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Another great point by gwar5.

On a “30k foot view/90k foot view/whatever the highest foot view is that I can imagine”: mankind is fundamentally fascist.  I mean, we gotta get off this rock, right?

Sheeple goin’ to continue being sheeple, Simon Black is goin’ to continue prancing around the globe, pretending the grass is always greener on the other side, and many Zero Hedge commenters are going to continue to be pissed.  I say we just have some fun along the way.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:49 | 1381452 Vic Vinegar
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I got junked for this and yet no response.  LOL.

Have fun peeps, wherever in the world you prance. 

I love this website and don't pretend to be any better than anyone else. Goodnight now. 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:37 | 1381557 Vic Vinegar
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Before I go out, I had to come back to count the junks.  Not as many as I expected.

Sorry, but what I said above is true.  Peace be with you and yours.


Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:56 | 1382509 gwar5
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Gee, I don't know why the junks. Guessing no nipples on the avatar?

Some will stay and some will go. No big deal. That's the way it needs to be. If everybody does the same thing they become easy targets for an actionable response.

Everybody should/will do whatever they think is best for them and that's an absolute strength. Free choice will produce the diversity required to prevail. Free choice is what will bring down the central planners, again. 

"If you look at the whole of human history, there are only a few narrow slivers of time where tyranny and oppression has not dominated the human condition over the few brief periods of relative liberty and freedom. We are fortunate to be living in one of those narrow slivers of time right now. But I am afraid that there are signs that window may be closing."  ---Milton Friedman, 1970's interview.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 05:54 | 1382106 AnAnonymous
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There are many ways of fighting. 


Wrong. For US citizens, it is not a matter of staying and fighting, it is a matter of staying and fighting.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:16 | 1382417 gwar5
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Takes everybody doing all the little things. We are legion and need to stay diverse.

Imagine if government controlled the internet and there was limited access to outside information from Europe, Latin America and Asia? Ex-Pats would be invaluable for outside information. People like Simon do that now.

It's not about a couple of people self-immolating. It's about millions of people doing all the little things to create a mass effect to starve the beast.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:15 | 1381359 Advoc8tr
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I has envisioned a good portion of the 290 million citizens engaging in banker and politician assasination 'sport' with the balance of the crowd quietly supporting them by not assisting authorities.

Eventually NO one would dare put their hand up to be a politician for fear of imminent death by vigilante assasination?

Think Mexico but rather than a few drug lords you have 290 million citizens.

On the other hand we could use a few hundred thousand libertarian minded immigrants down under .....

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:35 | 1381417 HamyWanger
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"I has envisioned a good portion of the 290 million citizens engaging in banker and politician assasination 'sport' with the balance of the crowd quietly supporting them by not assisting authorities."

Sorry kid, but you're delusional. If you try to kill a banker on the street, your logic end will be a lethal injection table and an orange pyjama. And nobody will do shit to stop the process. 

Just trying to bring some sanity into the usual "Revolution tomorrow" libertarian predications, which have yet to materialize into something tangible after the decades (if not centuries) they are evoked as "starting any time now". 

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