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Guest Post: 2011 - The Year Of Catch 22

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform

2011 - The Year Of Catch 22

As I began to think about what might happen in 2011, the classic Joseph Heller novel Catch 22 kept
entering my mind. Am I sane for thinking such a thing, or am I so
insane that asking this question proves that I’m too rational to even
think such a thing?  In the novel, the “Catch 22″ is that “anyone who
wants to get out of combat duty isn’t really crazy”. Hence, pilots who
request a fitness evaluation are sane, and therefore must fly
in combat. At the same time, if an evaluation is not requested by the
pilot, he will never receive one (i.e. they can never be found
“insane”), meaning he must also fly in combat. Therefore, Catch-22
ensures that no pilot can ever be grounded for being insane – even if he
were. The absurdity is captured in this passage:

There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified
that a concern for one’s own safety in the face of dangers that were
real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and
could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he
would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would
be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn’t, but if he was sane,
he had to fly them. If he flew them, he was crazy and didn’t have to;
but if he didn’t want to, he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved
very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and
let out a respectful whistle. “That’s some catch, that Catch-22,” he
observed. “It’s the best there is,” Doc Daneeka agreed. -
Catch 22 – Joseph Heller

The United States and its leaders are stuck in their own Catch 22.
They need the economy to improve in order to generate jobs, but the
economy can only improve if people have jobs. They need the economy to
recover in order to improve our deficit situation, but if the economy
really recovers long term interest rates will increase, further
depressing the housing market and increasing the interest expense burden
for the US, therefore increasing the deficit. A recovering economy
would result in more production and consumption, which would result in
more oil consumption driving the price above $100 per barrel, therefore
depressing the economy. Americans must save for their retirements as
10,000 Baby Boomers turn 65 every day, but if the savings rate goes back
to 10%, the economy will collapse due to lack of consumption. Consumer
expenditures account for 71% of GDP and need to revert back to 65% for
the US to have a balanced sustainable economy, but a reduction in
consumer spending will push the US back into recession, reducing tax
revenues and increasing deficits. You can see why Catch 22 is the theme for 2011.

It seems the consensus for 2011 is that the economy will grow 3% to
4%, two million new jobs will be created, corporate profits will rise,
and the stock market will rise another 10% to 15%. Sounds pretty good.
The problem with this storyline is that it is based on a 2010 that gave
the appearance of recovery, but was a hoax propped up by trillions in
borrowed funds. On January 1, 2010 the National Debt of the United
States rested at $12.3 trillion. On December 31, 2010 the National Debt
checked in at $13.9 trillion, an increase of $1.6 trillion.

The Federal Reserve Balance Sheet totaled $2.28 trillion on January
1, 2010. Today, it stands at $2.46 trillion, an increase of $180


Over this same time frame, the Real GDP of the U.S. has increased
approximately $350 billion, and is still below the level reached in the
4th Quarter of 2007. U.S. politicians and Ben Bernanke spent almost $1.8
trillion, or 13% of GDP, in one year to create a miniscule 2.7%
increase in GDP. This is reported as a recovery by the mainstream
corporate media mouthpieces. On September 18, 2008 the American
financial system came within hours of a total meltdown, caused by Wall
Street mega-banks and their bought off political cronies in Washington
DC. The National Debt on that day stood at $9.7 trillion. The US
Government has borrowed $4.2 since that date, a 43% increase in the
National Debt in 27 months. The Federal Reserve balance sheet totaled
$963 billion in September 2008 and Bernanke has expanded it by $1.5
trillion, a 155% increase in 27 months. Most of the increase was due to
the purchase of toxic mortgage backed securities from their Wall Street

Real GDP in the 3rd quarter of 2008 was $13.2 trillion. Real GDP in the 3rd quarter of 2010 was $13.3 trillion.

Think about these facts for one minute. Your leaders have borrowed
$5.7 trillion from future unborn generations and have increased GDP by
$100 billion. The financial crisis, caused by excessive debt creation by
Wall Street and ridiculously low interest rates set by the Federal
Reserve, 30 years in the making, erupted in 2008. The response to a
crisis caused by too much debt and interest rates manipulated too low
was to create an immense amount of additional debt and reduce interest
rates to zero. The patient has terminal cancer and the doctors have
injected the patient with more cancer cells and a massive dose of
morphine. The knowledge about how we achieved the 2010 “recovery” is
essential to understanding what could happen in 2011.

Confidence Game

Ben Bernanke, Timothy Geithner, Barack Obama, the Wall Street banks,
and the corporate mainstream media are playing a giant confidence game.
It is a desperate gamble. The plan has been to convince the population
of the US that the economy is in full recovery mode. By convincing the
masses that things are recovering, they will begin to spend and buy
stocks. If they spend, companies will gain confidence and start hiring
workers. More jobs will create increasing confidence, reinforcing the
recovery story, and leading to the stock market soaring to new heights.
As the market rises, the average Joe will be drawn into the market and
it will go higher. Tax revenues will rise as corporate profits, wages
and capital gains increase. This will reduce the deficit. This is the
plan and it appears to be working so far. But, Catch 22 will kick in
during 2011.

Retail sales are up 6.5% over 2009 as consumers have been convinced
to whip out one of their 15 credit cards and buy some more iPads, Flat
screen TVs, Ugg boots and Tiffany diamond pendants. Consumer
non-revolving debt for autos, student loans, boats and mobile homes is
at an all-time high as the government run financing arms of GMAC and
Sallie Mae have issued loans to anyone that can fog a mirror with their
breath. Total consumer credit card debt has been flat for 2010 as banks
have written it off as fast as consumers can charge it. The savings rate
has begun to fall again as Americans are being convinced to live today
and not worry about tomorrow. Of course, the current savings rate of
5.9% would be 2% if the government was not dishing out billions in
transfer payments. Wages have declined by $127 billion from the 3rd
Quarter of 2008, while government transfer payments for unemployment and
other social programs have increased by $441 billion, all borrowed.

  Graph of Personal Saving Rate

Both the government and its citizens are living the old adage:

Everybody wants to get to heaven, but no one wants to practice what is required to get there.

The government politicians and bureaucrats promise to cut
unsustainable spending as soon as the economy recovers. The economy has
been recovering for the last 6 quarters, according to GDP figures, but
there are absolutely no government efforts to cut spending. This is
proof that politicians always lie. It will never be the right time to
cut spending. Another faux crisis will be used as a reason to continue
unfunded spending increases. Having consumer spending account for 70% of
GDP is unbalanced and unsustainable. Everyone knows that consumer
spending needs to revert back to 65% of GDP and the Savings Rate needs
to rise to 8% or higher in order to ensure the long-term fiscal health
of the country. Savings and investment are what sustain countries over
time. Borrowing and spending is a recipe for failure and bankruptcy. The
facts are that consumer expenditures as a percentage of GDP have
actually risen since 2007 and Congress and Obama just cut payroll taxes
in an effort to encourage Americans to spend even more borrowed money.
Catch 22 is alive and well.

The first half of 2011 is guaranteed to give the appearance of
recovery. The lame-duck Congress ”compromise” will pump hundreds of
billions of borrowed dollars into the economy. The continuation of
unemployment benefits for 99 weeks (supposedly to help employment) and
the 2% payroll tax cut will goose consumer spending. Ben Bernanke and
his QE2 stimulus for poor Wall Street bankers is pumping $75 billion per
month ($3 to $4 billion per day) directly into the stock market. Since
Ben gave Wall Street the all clear signal in late August, the NASDAQ has
soared 25%. Despite the fact that there are 362,000 less Americans
employed than were employed in August 2010, the mainstream media will
continue to tout the jobs recovery. The goal of all these efforts is to
boost confidence and spending. Everything being done by those in power
has the seeds of its own destruction built in. The Catch 22 will assert
itself in the 2nd half of 2011.

Housing Catch 22

Ben Bernanke, an Ivy League PhD who should understand the concept of
standard deviation, missed a 3 standard deviation bubble in housing as
ironically pointed out by a recent Dallas Federal Reserve report.

Chart 1: U.S. Real Home Prices Returning to Long-Term Mean?

Home prices still need to fall 23%, just to revert to its long-term
mean. That is a fact that even Bernanke should be able to grasp (maybe
not). Anyone who argues that housing has bottomed and will resume growth
either has an agenda (NAR) or is a clueless dope (Bernanke). A new
perfect storm is brewing for housing in 2011 and will not subside until
late 2012. You may have thought those bad mortgages had been all written
off. You would be wrong. There will be in excess of $200 billion of
adjustable rate mortgages that reset between 2011 and 2012, with in
excess of $125 billion being the dreaded Alt-A mortgages. This is a
recipe for millions of new foreclosures.


According to the Dallas Fed, in addition to the 3.9 million homes on
the market, there is a shadow inventory of 6 million homes that will be
coming on the market due to foreclosure. About 3.6 million housing
units, representing 2.7% of the total housing stock, are vacant and
being held off the market. These are not occasional-use homes visited by
people whose usual residence is elsewhere but units that are vacant
year-round. Presumably, many are among the 6 million distressed
properties that are listed as at least 60 days delinquent, in
foreclosure or foreclosed in banks’ inventories.

The coup de grace for the housing market will be Ben Bernake’s ode to Catch 22. In his November 4 OP-ED piece he had this to say about his $600 billion QE2:

“Easier financial conditions will promote economic growth. For
example, lower mortgage rates will make housing more affordable and
allow more homeowners to refinance.”
Housing sage Ben Bernanke

On the day Bernanke wrote these immortal words 30 Year Mortgage rates
were 4.2%. Today, two months later, they stand at 5.0%. This should be a
real boon to refinancing and the avalanche of mortgage resets coming
down the pike. It seems that money printing and a debt financed
“recovery” leads to higher long-term interest rates. The more convincing
the recovery, the higher interest rates will go. The higher interest
rates go, the further the housing market will drop. The further housing
prices drop, the number of underwater homeowners will grow to 30%. This
will lead to more foreclosures. Approximately 50% of all the assets on
banks books are backed by real estate. Billions in bank losses are in
the pipeline. Do you see the Catch 22 in Bernanke’s master plan? The
Dallas Fed sees it:

This unease highlights the housing market’s fragility and
suggests there may be no pain-free path to the eventual righting of the
market. No perfect solution to the housing crisis exists. The latest
price declines will undoubtedly cause more economic dislocation. As the
crisis enters its fifth year, uncertainty is as prevalent as ever and
continues to hinder a more robust economic recovery. Given that time has
not proven beneficial in rendering pricing clarity, allowing the market
to clear may be the path of least distress. -
Dallas Fed

Quantitative Easing Catch 22

Ben Bernanke’s quantitative easing (dropping dollars from
helicopters) is riddled with Catch-22 implications. Bernanke revealed
his plan in his 2002 speech about deflation:

“The U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press
(or today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many
U.S. dollars as it wishes at no cost.”

The expectations of most when reading Ben’s words were that his
helicopters would drop the dollars across America. What he has done is
load up his helicopters with trillions of dollars and circled above Wall
Street for two years continuously dropping his load. Bernanke’s
quantitative easing, which will triple the Fed’s balance sheet by June
of 2011, began in earnest in early 2009. The price for a gallon on
gasoline was $1.62. Today, it is $3.05, an 88% increase in two years.
Gold was $814 an ounce. Today, it is $1,421 an ounce, a 61% increase in
two years. In the last year, the prices for copper, silver, cotton,
wheat, corn, coffee and other commodities have risen in price by 30% to

2 year gold price per ounce

Quantitative easing has been sold to the public as a way to avoid the
terrible ravages of deflation. The fact is there are less jobs, lower
wages, lower home prices, zero returns on bank deposits, higher fuel
costs, higher food costs, higher real estate taxes, higher medical
insurance premiums and huge jaw dropping bonuses for the bankers on Wall
Street. Somehow the government has spun this toxic mix into a CPI which
has resulted in fixed income senior citizens getting no increases in
their pitiful Social Security payments for two years. You can judge
where Ben’s Helicopters have dropped the $2 trillion. Quantitative
easing has benefited only Wall Street bankers and the 1% wealthiest
Americans. The $1.4 trillion of toxic mortgage backed securities on The
Fed’s balance sheet are worth less than $700 billion. How will they
unload this toxic waste? The Treasuries they have bought drop in value
as interest rates rise. Quantitative easing’s Catch 22 is that it can
never be unwound without destroying the Fed and the US economy.

The USD dollar index was at 89 in early 2009. Today, it stands at 79,
an 11% decline, which is phenomenal considering that Europe has
imploded over this same time frame. Bernanke’s master plan is for the
USD to fall and ease the burden of our $14 trillion in debt. He just
wants it to fall slowly. Foreigners know what he is doing and are
stealthily getting out of their USD positions. This explains much of the
rise in gold, silver and commodities. The rise in oil to $91 a barrel
will not be a top. The Catch-22 of a declining dollar is that prices of
all imported goods go up. If the dollar falls another 10%, the price of
oil will rise above $120 a barrel and push the economy back into
recession. Then there is the little issue of at what level of printing
and debasing the currency does the rest of the world lose its remaining
confidence in Ben and the USD.


A few other “minor” issues for 2011 include:

  • The imminent collapse of the European Union as Greece, Ireland,
    Portugal and Spain are effectively bankrupt. Spain is the size of the
    other three countries combined and has a 20% unemployment rate. The
    Germans are losing patience with these spendthrift countries. Debt does
  • State and local governments were able to put off hard choices for
    another year, as Washington DC handed out hundreds of billions in pork.
    California will have a $19 billion budget deficit; Illinois will have a
    $17 billion budget deficit; New Jersey will have a $10.5 billion budget
    deficit; New York will have a $9 billion budget deficit. A US Congress
    filled with Tea Party newcomers will refuse to bailout these spendthrift
    states. Substantial government employee layoffs are a lock.

  • There is a growing probability that China will experience a hard
    landing as their own quantitative easing has resulted in inflation
    surging to a 28 month high of 5.1%, with food inflation skyrocketing to
    11.7%. Poor families spend up to half of their income on food. Rapidly
    rising prices severely burden poor people and can spark civil unrest if
    too many of them can’t afford food.
  • The Tea Party members of Congress are likely to cause as much
    trouble for Republicans as Democrats. If they decide to make a stand on
    raising the debt ceiling early in 2011, all hell could break loose in
    the debt and stock markets. 

The government’s confidence game is destined to fail due to Catch-22.
Will the consensus forecast of a growing economy, rising corporate
profits, 10% to 15% stock market gains, 2 million new jobs, and a
housing recovery come true in 2011? No it will not. By mid-year
confidence in Ben’s master plan will wane. He is trapped in the paradox
of Catch-22. When you start hearing about QE3 you’ll know that the gig
is up. If Bernanke is foolish enough to propose QE3 you can expect gold,
silver and oil to go parabolic. Enjoy 2011. I don’t think Ben Bernanke

“That’s some catch, that Catch-22.” -Yossarian


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Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:42 | 843117 gwar5
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Government needs to nationalize everyone's assets to balance the books, but the 2nd Amendment stands in their way.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:55 | 843132 Brutlstrudl
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The only ammendment you can't spin.  It is what it is

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:50 | 843210 DosZap
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Oh, they spin it all the time, trouble is, 40-60 million Americans won't spin.

Screw with the 2nd,in any fascistic/irrational/dictatorial way, start really pushing, bend over and kiss (insert name here) ------------ Goodbye.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:38 | 843310 Dr. Sandi
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Yeah, I can't wait for the heroes to start pumping deer shot into those gunship drone planes when they fly in.

And a few rounds of .357 ammo blasting into the armor on those Strykers will really send an important message to "The Man."

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:44 | 843320 Hulk
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We will definitely need lots of weaponized pussy...and now that I think about it, weaponized dick too  now that don't ask don't tell has been repealed...


Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:15 | 843385 francismarion
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You are talking goofy. I bet you are cute, though. And I bet you know more about certain things than anyone else on this site. Why not knock us out with something like that instead of running with the ZH hoodie patrol? They are all idiots.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:53 | 843437 ColonelCooper
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While I understand (respectfully disagree with) the sentiment of your comment, would you care to explain why we haven't been able to kick the shit out of the Afghani's?? - You know, those whose total armament is not even close to that of the readers of ZH, let alone the American citizenry.....

Hmmm. Seems the Soviets didn't have a lot of luck with that either.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:09 | 843458 francismarion
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We rolled up their conventional forces with a couple of hundred forward observers and a lot of air power in the first couple of weeks, imposed our figurehead and then dithered for ten years while the world went nuts over our violations of human rights. We only win if they decide we win. Not too encouraging.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:09 | 843528 Mad Mad Woman
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The status quo is good for the military/industrial complex. There's no profits in winning.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:42 | 843567 hardmedicine
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Catherine Fitts has a very interesting theory concerning the military/industrial/financial complexes and how they are draining our societies:


The tapeworm economy is a very good read.  Also her insight into government corruption from first hand experience is worth the time in reading there.  The military is a jobs program and if you listen to Niall Fergusons lecture on down the page here he will inform you that the U.S. has been the world's policeman, (of course he tells it from the apologists viewpoint, being that the world needed us and we were the only one who could fulfill their need <sarcasm off>


The Russians retreated from Afghanistan shortly before their collapse because of incredible support from the U.S. for the Afghan forces.


The real question in my mind keeps being, why were we fighting our own race of people?  Talk about mind-control propoganda.  I can't believe that we FUNDED the islamic radical fundamentalist against our own white brotherhood when America was primarily white then.  Our entire history is one huge framing of Illuminati brainwashing.  I spend a lot of time talking to people to encourage home-schooling now, some will listen.  I pray for hope each day. 


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 04:40 | 843745 DavidPierre
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Fitts has been all over this...HUD...CIA drug money in the stock market and banking since day one.

Catherine has bigger balls, and has been at it longer, than all the SmokeyJimQuinns and KuntDenninger MORONs combined.

{Hey TD... lot better people to highlight than the MSM/WannaBe types!}

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:51 | 844137 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Fitts has been all over this...HUD...CIA drug money in the stock market and banking since day one.

No, actually, on day one she was just another sperm trail in the great Washington/Wall Street circle jerk.

Now, after she made millions and millions, she supposedly found some virtue.  How convenient. 


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:05 | 844162 tamboo
Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:22 | 843472 cosmictrainwreck
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Seems to me Afgh. was just a cover/diversion/excuse for Iraqi invasion and as such put GS bullshit to shame. That fuckin' Cheney..... well, shit who knows? Maybe 5-10 years out, some of us may be forced to "thank" the man for stealing oil production FBO the USA. Anybody care to calculate cost per bbl, adding Afgh & Iraq together? Just the cash alone is one thing: $ Trillion? What about the human cost? Can't even count...... SHIT

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:28 | 843483 ColonelCooper
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You and FM  are both correct in your comments, but both of you are having a different conversation.  We will not achieve any type of desicive victory in AF using conventional means, and neither would we over the American citizenry. 

All this was in response to Dr. Sandi's lack of faith in the effectivness of Joe Sixpacks .270 Win..  I think Abdul's AK is an appropriate comparison.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:41 | 843500 cosmictrainwreck
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I'd still - just for fun - like to see $/bbl of Iraqi oil based on war costs; I'd even settle for just the HARD CASH...not the "indirect" Betcha it's $250/bbl

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:18 | 843546 francismarion
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You may sell it. That's what whore's do. Honest people give it away.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:50 | 843510 bankonzhongguo
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In five years we will take the entire Arabian Peninsula.  Since Djibouti came online as a major intel station the plan has been to roll Yemen, Oman and the Saudis into the same coop as Iraq is in today.  We don't have to invade, we just want to install our own rep that will eventually sell all their oil/gas to us - or not to China.  Watch the news the new year - 'big AQ ops in Yemen and across the border into Oman and Saudi sanctuaries.'  There are less than 500 Saudi royal targets lined up to take out that sand box.  If the US can plant the underwear bomber - read kurt haskell - and it never is followed up in the MSM and that is used to usher a new era of naked body scanners and neo-fascism, well anything is possible.  Another plane load of Saudi box cutters and the JDAMs come marching in.  Oil has to hit $200 first.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:18 | 844201 fajensen
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The Pashtuns are happy as long as there are a steady supply of foreigners to fight; The Afghan and Pakistan governments are happy as long as there is a steady flow of aid money misappropriate; The Americans are happy blowing rocks into smaller rocks with USD 800,000 a pop ammunition, it fells like "winning"; The CIA is happy rocketing wedding parties from a trailer in Utah and Obummah wants to keep everyone happy.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:41 | 843566 tmosley
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Yeah, because we all know that a determined insurgency can't stand up to the might of the US armed forces.

Wait, they can?  Oh that's right.

Now, imagine how badly we would have had our asses kicked in Iraq and Afghanistan if the sources of our supply lines were not only in country, but run by the enemy.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:15 | 843782 ColonelCooper
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Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:00 | 843137 Everyman
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And that 2nd amendment would be delivered via a deer slug or .308, .50 BMG rounds.  These guys are playing with revolutionary fire.  The "Powers that Be" are just about to be consumed in a conflagration of "common people" reclaiming what is rightfully theirs.

Bad time to have "rising profits" when everyone wants to ventilate your chest cavity via gunpowder.  That is true, there is a "Catch-22" and the Politicians know it.  To save the country they must cut the spending; to save their own ass they must spend.  That is how revolutions start.

The United States Republic National Militia formation is not far away.  The Politicians, bankers, and the FED RES will be the first condemned traitors, and habeas corpus will be suspended for the duration of the excercise.

We are on the edge of very unsettled times, and the so called "Powers that Be" created their own mess, and therefore dug their own graves.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:27 | 843168 francismarion
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We are just on the edge of verrrry unsettled times. It's verrry disturbing. I'm gonna trash talk and thump my chest with some really vivid expressions of human dismemberment to prove it, right before I march my little feet up and down and decide to join a militia. Then I'll really kill people. Oops. Not gonna wanna oughta coulda woulda shoulda hamada hamada hamada....

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:20 | 843268 Bringin It
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hamada hamada yourself ^Francis Marion aka, the false-flag poster.  When kind of venacular is that?  You even went to the trouble of getting yourself that cute little S. Carolina flag and all and then you pants yourself in public.  What a fool.

Check it out.  Which one are you?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:25 | 843282 francismarion
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When you say something, I will respond.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:39 | 843563 Bringin It
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gonna wanna oughta coulda woulda shoulda hamada hamada hamada....

Like your so articulate.  Dude - check out the junks.  No one wants you to respond ... other than for the comedic appeal that is.

We need to hear you sell your Americans-need-to-die-and-cough-up-more-wealth for your Zino-projecto broken record screed over and over again?

"Kill the demonic Persians" ain't that so mf'er? 

No thanks.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:31 | 843177 mynhair
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BMG, bitchez!

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:53 | 843513 Billy Shears
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You had to destroy the village in order to save it, come on...bitchez!

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:01 | 843521 Alexandre Stavisky
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After watching the systematic dismounting of all the "checks" in the check-and-balance system of a democratic republic, how could anyman not see what is coming, coming?

The gold standard checked the wanton greed of the banker/politico syndicate.  Too much fractionalizing, too much carefree lending, bankrun on the precious.  Dismantle Glass-Stegall, kill any attempt at another, subvert the natural animosities in the three branches and coordinate their impulses under corruption.  Then subvert all the regulatory agencies entrusted with defense of "little man" rights and access to fair markets.  In other words obtain the keys to all the organs of the body politic tasked with the defense of individual cellular rights.  Do it deliberately, with sinister and malicious intent.

Any one is akin to slitting a jugular or tearing a vena cava, together is a large caliber in the temple or a particularly vicious and invasive blood delivered cancer or poison.

Checks and balances kept the forces of evil and light at variance.  It kept the union and rewarded the proper and remarkable.

No balance exists.  Checks have been vanquished.  Rampant fraud, violation of the rule of law, and opposition to all the rights of men and divinely ordained protections has reached its fulness.

Men of a rich nation will be lulled by government largess to a state of extreme dependency, then the state will abandon them.  Like whelp pups weaned far too early, they will starve in their infantile states in utter degredation.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:08 | 843143 Bubbles...bubbl...
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Since when has the Constitution been an impediment?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:01 | 844152 tamboo
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no longer possible:

"One stark and sobering way to frame the crisis is this: if the United States government were to nationalize (in other words, steal) every penny of private wealth accumulated by America's citizens since the nation's founding 235 years ago, the government would remain totally bankrupt."

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:55 | 843133 Hulk
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Well done Jim, very well done.

The confidence game can be over in a millisecond, got Gold?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:23 | 843162 francismarion
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It's bad, Hulky, it really is. My doctor told me I had six months to live. I told him I couldn't pay him. So he gave me another six months. Ba da bing.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:34 | 843180 Hulk
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Funny FM, but don't stop those unemployment checks just yet...

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:28 | 843169 Chris Jusset
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Hulk says:

"Well done Jim, very well done."

Agreed ... the article is very well done, and captures the fundamental dilemmas facing our clueless leadership.  The more involved the government becomes in the private marketplace, the more damage is done.

"U.S. politicians and Ben Bernanke spent almost $1.8 trillion, or 13% of GDP, in one year to create a miniscule 2.7% increase in GDP. This is reported as a recovery by the mainstream corporate media mouthpieces."

LOL.  The system is so obviously fucked up ... and yet our leadership continues to dig the hole deeper and deeper ... as clueless as ever ...



Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:47 | 843205 francismarion
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Just click your heels together three times and repeat after me, there's no pm like platinum, there's no pm like platinum, there's no pm like.....

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:58 | 843224 DosZap
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The system is so obviously fucked up ... and yet our leadership continues to dig the hole deeper and deeper ... as clueless as ever ...

 If you believe that for one minute, I have some swampland for sale in AZ.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:05 | 843140 ??
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speaking of Catch 22 now we have "GORGON" coming to a town near you (eventually)


New U.S. drone 'can see everything'

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:11 | 843146 Everyman
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Don't think for a minute that the United States Military (DOD) will go against the people.  They will not.  There are many in the DOD that do not sign their level 4 security clearances anymore because they want to be on "the right side" which is NOT with the government.  There would be BIG divisions within the Defense Department and I believe it would side with "the people" before it would brainlessly follow "Washington DC", against States and Towns.


I have far greater faith in our Military "joining the body politic" of the People, than dreading that.  OUr Military are far more intelligent than we give them credit.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:14 | 843149 Bubbles...bubbl...
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They don't need the military to do police work.


Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:13 | 843254 serotonindumptruck
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That statement is redundant.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 04:58 | 843767 cranky-old-geezer
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Yes, that's the point.

I suspect there are far more police type folks running around on home soil than military, and those police type folks are getting lots of experience invading people's lives, violating people's rights, etc, while much / most of the military are dispatched overseas.

It seems quite plausable that police, not military, would be the implementers of a POLICE state.

So it doesn't really matter if the military would side with the American people.  They're (purposely?) being kept overseas mostly. 

And it's pretty apparent police have no such loyaly to the American people.  They're trained from day 1 to violate people's lives and rights and they get more comfortable with it every day.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:16 | 843783 ColonelCooper
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Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:30 | 843174 Ahmeexnal
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I suggest you inform yourself better. The MIL has already gone against the people. Have you forgotten Waco?

Your blind faith in the MIL is sickening. The US military is not even the shadow of what it used to be. And it is in this state because it is in the best interest of TPTB.

A few years ago, TPTB were supposedly trying to find ways to avoid the same mistakes that befell the Roman Empire.

Well, that's what they said they were doing. In fact, the have been carrying out THE EXACT SAME THINGS that led to the collapse of the Roman Empire.

If you think I'm joking, you'd better think twice:


According to Gibbon, the Roman Empire succumbed to barbarian invasions in large part due to the gradual loss of civic virtue among its citizens. They had become weak, outsourcing their duties to defend their Empire to barbarian mercenaries, who then became so numerous and ingrained that they were able to take over the Empire. Romans, he believed, had become effeminate, unwilling to live a tougher, "manly" military lifestyle.



As I said before, the US is now in the Heliogabalus era equivalent.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:46 | 843198 francismarion
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I don't think you're stupid. Just lazy. The US military is a volunteer fighting force. Rome is an inadequate metaphor for the US. Mexicans, Cubans, Chinese, Polish one day- American the next.

Enough with the Heliogabalus already. We are in the summer days of the divine Antonines. Enjoy.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:21 | 843277 Bringin It
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francismarion the status quo revolutionary.  Too funny.  Yes, good job.  You've got us all fooled.  Keep up the good work.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:15 | 843256 DosZap
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Me thinks you are confused.

The Romans grew old,gray,and greedy.

They hired the Barbarians for Mercs.

Our Military is made up of volunteers from the young folks down the street,next door, not foreign hired trash.

Your sons, mine, others here on this board.

As far as PoPo's, they are civilians, and they retire /quit, get fired also.

They are subject to the same laws we are.Think they will get cut any slack?,or special priviledges?.

Nope, and they know it. The Military men and women take an Oath, and they take it VERY seriously.

You know it, What is the PRIMARY duty of that Oath?.

Not following it, makes them enemy combatants.And liars.

Which, they most assuredly are not.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:29 | 843288 Bringin It
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DosZap - I would not use the term trash, but surely you must know, our military is now full of the foreign hired.  In fact to bolster the Roman analogy, part of the deal is that the foreign hired, get to become citizens when they're done killing for the oligarchs.

You are not aware of this?

And this is clearly not true

The Military men and women take an Oath, and they take it VERY seriously.

No one is acting against all enemies, foreign and domestic as the oath requires.

OK, maybe Admiral Fallon and a few others, but most just do what they're told.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:42 | 843316 Ahmeexnal
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Wouldn't he hiring of "barbarians" for mercs would be like contemporary hiring of afghan warlords, the contras, etc., effectively outsourcing military duties of the "empire".

Placing faith in the military isn't something you want to do to solve the kind of problems at hand. History has many tough lessons when that path is chosen.

Yes, they might take an oath, but they also have to follow orders. It's called the chain of command.

Check out the Waco Revelations documentary:


About growing old, gray and greedy.... *hmpf*



Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:40 | 843414 francismarion
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America is not an empire. The glib way that so many off-handedly flip that term out there is pathetic. Where do you want to start? The US OWNED the world in 1945. We took the smoking ruins, helped rebuild it, stood guard over the infant democracies of Europe and the Far East, stood off the USSR totalitarians in a series of wars, presided over their downfall and now nurture China, in the hope, no, the expectation that it will be a democracy in less than fifty years.

Where is our empire? Iraq and Afghanistan? Come now, can't the hyperpower do better than that? Why wouldn't we carve off a piece of the really juicy parts? China has contracts to get most of the oil from Iraq. And the idea that we are in Afghanistan to secure Caspian oil is ridiculous. If we were going to seize oil, why wouldn't we just tell the Chinese they can't have any more from the Middle East? If they're trying to replace us, it's better fight'em now, right? An empire would.

We don't operate that way. Our navy and army have done as much disaster relief in the last ten years as fighting. Empires don't have nations asking for bases to be built on their soil, as Romania, Poland and the Czech Republic are doing. If we were so all-fired imperialistic, why didn't we send  the troops into the Ukraine in the nineties when Russia was sucking wind? That would have set the imperialists in Moscow back three centuries.

Where is our empire? If anywhere, it is in the cockpits of our planes that fly around the world, always watching. It is in our ships that sail in harm's way, between mighty powers and their tiny neighbors.

Now tell me about your Roman despots and their cringing servants. Tell me about the democracy of Athens, rotten with tyranny and slavery. Then try to listen as the world sings with freedom, prosperity and democracy under the mighty aegis of the Pax Americana.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:54 | 843436 Eally Ucked
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You must be one of the students of stalinist era poets man! I like it! From little jewish partizan, with slaves and plantations, to dreams about stars in Pax Americana world.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:55 | 843442 Eally Ucked
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Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:46 | 843423 Gully Foyle
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"Our Military is made up of volunteers from the young folks down the street,next door, not foreign hired trash.

Your sons, mine, others here on this board."

You are partially fucking wrong!

US attacked over green card soldiers

Nearly 40,000 of America's frontline soldiers are not US citizens.

By James Gooder

09/01/03: (Aljazeera

) Many of the troops on duty in Iraq do not count English as their first language and would prefer to take orders in their native tongue ... usually Spanish.

The revelation has prompted British MP George Galloway, one of the fiercest critics of the invasion of Iraq, to accuse the US of using its "green card" troops as cannon fodder.

Galloway went on to attack the US policy of putting its poor minorities and non-citizens in the frontline of its foreign wars.

In an exclusive interview he told that it was part of a long US tradition of using its underclass as cannon fodder.

The statistics, buried by White House spin doctors, reveal that a significant minority of troops fighting under the US banner are not in fact US citizens but residents hoping to speed up their citizenship.

Google up more on Green Card soldiers.






Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:18 | 843471 francismarion
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ALL of our troops are volunteers. So you don't like the idea that some of them don't speak English, Gully Foyle? What a dirty rotten filthy stinking racist lowdown nasty dog thing to say. You don't deserve the safety they bring to this country. I wish you would go to some third world country that hates first worlders and get what you deserve. Be sure to thank them for doing it while calling you names in their native tongue.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:51 | 843577 Bringin It
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fm - What he's saying is that many of the frontline soldiers are not citizens.  This, if you were paying attention, bolsters the analogy with ancient Rome, which is kind of the point of this part of the thread.  If you are paying attention that is.

And I know, I know ... you love it when those 3rd-worlders or anybody else, for that matter can be bribed, tricked, cheated, lied to or whatever it takes to get them up on the front-line keeping the banksters in power and the Mohamadens down.

I want you to know, that I applaud your consistency.  I'm just saying nobody's buying what your selling anymore.  Check out the collapsing viewer ratings of the MSM.  Heading for the same dustbin as lowercase fm.


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:38 | 844238 fajensen
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I wish you would go to some third world country that hates first worlders and get what you deserve.

No need to go anywhere, the Third World is coming to your country; thanks to the generousity of The Government and your taxes. It is only fitting that "we" should also arm and train them too - otherwise it would be "racist" (and unfair to the Homeland Security crowd - If there was no seriously dangerous internal enemies it makes them look like yet another bunch of fat-arsed do-nothing government minions leeching off the government tit). I think Detroit will cook off nicely once 1/3 of the city is without services. 

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:13 | 843534 Oh regional Indian
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Ahmee, very good observations. The quote is cool. From my own, limited study of the human psyche, talkers are usually not doers.

Effeminate... I'm sure many shaved, hairless, beach-bod flashing, pornography addicted, viagra popping, metrosexual males would object.

Women in the US are, by and large, hair-ier than the men. On that subject, I did a detailed study.

Gonads, a vanishing, rare commodity. Save yours while you have them.


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 06:49 | 843839 AnAnonymous
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According to Gibbon, the Roman Empire succumbed to barbarian invasions in large part due to the gradual loss of civic virtue among its citizens. They had become weak, outsourcing their duties to defend their Empire to barbarian mercenaries, who then became so numerous and ingrained that they were able to take over the Empire. Romans, he believed, had become effeminate, unwilling to live a tougher, "manly" military lifestyle.


That is not according to Gibbons. That was the two popular lines to explain the difficulties of the Romans at that period.

-loss of cultural values

-loss of blood quality

The reality is that the Roman Empire was built on several pyramidal schemes that dried up. Some Romans pointed them out and ended badly.

For the roman military,  the pyramidal scheme was that a group of soldiers services would be rewarded by a piece of land taken from the enemy.

Only working when land is captured. When the Roman empire peaked, no more land was added or land that was much less interesting. As the scheme was drying up, some Romans were soldiering for securizing their own inherited land and others for securizing the land of others.

A dramatic change  in the incentive to join the military. They did not become weak, they lost nothing. The incentive for them to join the military simply no longer existed as in the glorious days. That is the core. And a nightmare for expansionists who have no solution to cope with the reality of the issue.

Expansion is very good as long as there is room to expand on. When there is no room, what to do?


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 08:23 | 843912 Oh regional Indian
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Expansion is very good as long as there is room to expand on. When there is no room, what to do?

Create NASA and start talking about living off-planet?




Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:32 | 843179 francismarion
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Everyman, stop telling these finance blogs super-duper geniuses that they may have some competition for being brainy. If your tell the ZH hoodie patrol that the US military is the meanest, sharpest, best manned, best run, best equipped, most patriotic, best officered, most forward thinking, best prepared bunch of death purveyors on this planet or any other, they might get down in the mouth. Silver, pee pee boys!

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:31 | 843294 Bringin It
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Come on phoney-francismarion, admit it, you just love the US military because they willingly kill the Mohamedans on your behalf.  Yes or no?  Say it ain't so.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:44 | 843421 francismarion
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Sorry, still can't hear you. Who is this again?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:58 | 843581 Bringin It
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It's your conscience calling.  Not surprising you can't hear.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:34 | 843184 mynhair
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Kent State, anyone?

If they are armed, fire!

Hell, unwashed and unkempt, fire!

Suit and tie, fire!

Bankster, guillotine!

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:41 | 843194 francismarion
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Do you get girls with that baloney or what? Ta.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:53 | 843213 Dave
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Have you ever been in the military? I was drafted in 1969.

Believe me, most of the military will do what they are told. At least

in the beginning. If they are forced to fire on civilians (Kent State)

then things may change.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:17 | 843263 francismarion
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Those kids that were being abused at Kent State were National guardsmen, hardly the types you will find in the Army of today. They were closer to the Army of '69 than the Army of today though, granted, Gray 'Stache.

It's the four-stars that would short-circuit any martial law gambit that tried to sweep Americans from the streets. Too much inculcation and education in our Chiefs of Staff to play out otherwise. All that boogy-man talk to the contrary is nonsense. They are not trained seals. They are the bearers of the American ideal, as formed over the last twenty five centuries. Don't, don't EVER sell them short. 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:28 | 843289 Misean
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Perhaps a touch of history...a story about your much vaunted hero's I'm sure...

On July 28, 1932, Attorney General Mitchell ordered the police evacuation of the Bonus Army veterans. When the veterans moved back into their old camp, they rushed two policeman trapped on the second floor of a building. The cornered police drew their revolvers and shot two veterans, William Hushka and Eric Carlson, who died later.[4] When told of this, President Hoover ordered the army to effect the evacuation of the Bonus Army from Washington.

At 4:45 p.m., commanded by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the 12th Infantry Regiment, Fort Howard, Maryland, and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, supported by six battle tanks commanded by Maj. George S. Patton, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of civil service employees left work to line the street and watch. The Bonus Marchers, believing the troops were marching in their honor, cheered the troops until Maj. Patton ordered the cavalry to charge them—an action which prompted the civil service spectators to yell, "Shame! Shame!"

After the cavalry charged, the infantry, with fixed bayonets and adamsite gas, an arsenical vomiting agent, entered the camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers. The veterans fled across the Anacostia River to their largest camp and President Hoover ordered the assault stopped. However Gen. MacArthur, feeling this exercise was a Communist attempt at overthrowing the U.S. government, ignored the President and ordered a new attack. Fifty five veterans were injured and 135 arrested.[4] A veteran's wife miscarried. The infant, Bernard Myers, died in the hospital after the incident, but reports indicated the death was not caused by the evacuation of the BEF.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:44 | 843319 Bringin It
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To his [Patton's] dismay, the routed marchers included Joseph Angelo, who 14 years earlier had saved the wounded Patton's life by pulling him to safety from a foxhole.

Hey, be all you can be.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:24 | 844213 tamboo
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Why The Zionists (Including Henry Morganthau) Controlling The Allies Killed General George S. Patton

Having immediately recognized the Soviet danger and urged a course of action which would have freed all of eastern Europe from the communist yoke with the expenditure of far less American blood than was spilled in Korea and Vietnam and would have obviated both those later wars not to mention World War III -- Patton next came to appreciate the true nature of the people for whom World War II was fought: the Jews.

Most of the Jews swarming over Germany immediately after the war came from Poland and Russia, and Patton found their personal habits shockingly uncivilized.

He was disgusted by their behavior in the camps for Displaced Persons (DP's) which the Americans built for them and even more disgusted by the way they behaved when they were housed in German hospitals and private homes. He observed with horror that "these people do not understand toilets and refuse to use them except as repositories for tin cans, garbage, and refuse . . . They decline, where practicable, to use latrines, preferring to relieve themselves on the floor."

He described in his diary one DP camp, "where, although room existed, the Jews were crowded together to an appalling extent, and in practically every room there was a pile of garbage in one corner which was also used as a latrine. The Jews were only forced to desist from their nastiness and clean up the mess by the threat of the butt ends of rifles. Of course, I know the expression 'lost tribes of Israel' applied to the tribes which disappeared -- not to the tribe of Judah from which the current sons of bitches are descended. However, it is my personal opinion that this too is a lost tribe -- lost to all decency."

Patton's initial impressions of the Jews were not improved when he attended a Jewish religious service at Eisenhower's insistence. His diary entry for September 17, 1945, reads in part: "This happened to be the feast of Yom Kippur, so they were all collected in a large, wooden building, which they called a synagogue. It behooved General Eisenhower to make a speech to them. We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking bunch of humanity I have ever seen. When we got about halfway up, the head rabbi, who was dressed in a fur hat similar to that worn by Henry VIII of England and in a surplice heavily embroidered and very filthy, came down and met the General . . . The smell was so terrible that I almost fainted and actually about three hours later lost my lunch as the result of remembering it."

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 13:12 | 844452 MachoMan
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In other words, people who lie in their own filth and garbage and use the toilet as an incredibly inefficient trash can are also the same people who have conspired to control all the wealth in the world? 

Wed, 01/05/2011 - 12:50 | 849496 Hephasteus
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LOL. Or maybe just maybe. If you brutal the fuck out of people they act a little bit weird.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:55 | 843354 DavidPierre
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 The Great Depression hits even those with what they thought to be good, secure jobs. Three thousand half-starved autoworkers, together with their families and union organizers, march on Hitler supporter and Jew hater Henry Ford's Rouge Plant in Dearborn, Michigan.

The marchers' goal is to present a list of demands to Ford. Dearborn police blocked the route and attack the marchers with tear gas. The marchers fight back with rocks and frozen mud. Near the Ford plant itself, demonstrators are attacked with fire hoses and gunfire.

Five marchers are killed by machine gun and pistol fire and nineteen are wounded. Inevitably, the marchers are labelled by the ever-compliant mass media as filthy commie rats (today's terrorists) rather than as starving workers and citizens. Aside from owning every politician in Dearborn, Ford has the police force well under control. Dearborn police officers are required to swear an oath to uphold and protect the Ford Motor Company.

Of course, no one is charged in the killings.


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:08 | 843525 Caviar Emptor
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July 28th, 1932: US military veterans are camped on the lawn in front of the Capitol, demanding early payment of bonus money approved by the US government: $1 per day served. Nearly all are unemployed and hungry 

At 4:45 P.M. four troops of cavalry appeared, sabers raised, with six tanks lumbering behind them, their machine guns hooded. Infantrymen in steel helmets, with blue tear-gas bombs dangling from their belts and bayonets drawn, trotted on the double behind the tanks. The crowd, still in a carnival mood, set up a loud cheer that was echoed from the windows 

The cavalry deployed were under the command of Gen Douglas MacArthur. By 9PM, after a bayonette charge, the Veterans were dispersed. 

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 15:37 | 844820 CharlieBC
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You are about the dumbest motherfucker I've had the misfortune

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 15:39 | 844822 CharlieBC
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of reading on ZH

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:23 | 843476 francismarion
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You must be one of the idiot's that can't see the forest for the trees. Will you indict the military of today and the nation it serves for the excesses and sins of the men you name?

Why not just do what your guts are telling you to do and scream, 'I hate America.' It accomplishes the same thing. You run with a very large pack. You luxuriate in the freedoms and security this nation provides and you think you are so brave and enlightened to stomp on people that cannot answer for their actions. Congratulations. Iran has an opening on one of their judicial seats. You will be perfect for the position.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:11 | 843532 Bringin It
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No Fm - You Hate America.  You demonize Iran.  You're hope is that America will shed more blood, spill more treasure on your behalf, for your special project.

I believe your time is up.  Your window closed.  We shall see.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 04:26 | 843735 Terminus C
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You must have missed the sign at the door.  It says,

"Don't feed the trolls."


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 04:47 | 843752 Bringin It
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Sorry Terminus.  I've been away.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 01:27 | 843606's picture

The shootings killed four students and wounded nine. Two of the four students killed, Allison Krause and Jeffrey Miller, had participated in the protest, and the other two, Sandra Scheuer and William Knox Schroeder, had been walking from one class to the next at the time of their deaths. Schroeder was also a member of the campus ROTC chapter. Of those wounded, none was closer than 71 feet to the guardsmen. Of those killed, the nearest (Miller) was 265 feet away, and their average distance from the guardsmen was 345 feet.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:21 | 843274 DosZap
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Yeah, I remember that fiasco, and your right things would change drastically.

Also remember those were Natl Guard Reserves if memory serves.

My answer to this question is why would the military want to be slaves to a dictatorship?.

Shooting friends,neighbors,parents, grand parents,fellow Americans is unimaginable. 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:46 | 843326 ThirdCoastSurfer
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An educated populous becomes aware of the ugly process of making sausage, is revolted by it, becomes unwilling to follow it and succumbs to the nations with an uneducated populous willing to follow the edicts and dictates without question or rebuke happy to sacrifice life and liberty to the altar of nationalism.  

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:10 | 843246 the rookie cynic
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Then why the hell did they sign off on Iraq and Afghanistan? The neocons/oil companies/multinational corporations said "go fetch" and off the MIC went to sqander the people's blood and treasure. For what exactly?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:46 | 843332 Bringin It
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Hint - Militaries do what they are told to do, regardless of oaths or patriotism or anything else.

The whole process of military training is to dehumanize you to the point that you blindly follow orders that you can rationalize later if you're up to it.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:14 | 843382 merehuman
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having been in the army i agree. Hello Bringin it! Glad to see you still come by. Happy days to you, as best you can.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:38 | 843415 Bringin It
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Speaking of human and here he is.

Happy days to you too.  I'm thinking of touring the Homeland in the 2nd half of the year.  When I get to W. Oregon, I'll keep an eye out for the beared guy making a killing selling silver jewelry.

Stay well.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 04:52 | 843760 merehuman
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Last thing in the world i should do is sell anything. Its easier to give. Send a note to  1xxxxay on utube. We  will grab something green out of the garden and have a bite under the trees. almost left myself to connect and i know its you and not a pretender?  ach du lieber.!

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:52 | 843427 francismarion
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No need for the Army to do all that dehumanizing stuff, Bringing It. Judging from your post and the rabble you run with here, they already took care of things and dropped a stupid bomb. That's right, stupid, a stupid bomb on your stupid head. In your case it was superfluous. Stupid.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 01:04 | 843584 Bringin It
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Weak fm - the stupid bomb?  Did you ever make it out of kindergarten?  Your rabble is running the banks.  What's that make you?  Da banksta-whore.  That's right fm.  When the shoe fits, you gotta wear it banksta-whore.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 04:56 | 843761 merehuman
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Junked .. You called us Rabble. You know where the door find it

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:14 | 843252 Pez
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Oh yes...they will.


On October 1, 2008, the US Army announced that the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team (BCT) will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command (NORTHCOM), as an on-call federal response force for natural or man-made emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks = ANY F*CKING REASON they make up.

This marks the first time an active U.S. Army unit will be given a dedicated assignment to NORTHCOM, where it is stated they may be "called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive (CBRNE) attack." These soldiers will also learn how to use non-lethal weapons designed to "subdue unruly or dangerous individuals" without killing them, and also includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and beanbag bullets.[9] However, the "non-lethal crowd control package [...] is intended for use on deployments to the war zone, not in the U.S.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:19 | 843269 francismarion
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Yeah, Pez, that is scary stuff. I would much prefer that the military not do contingency planning for stuff like N-bombs going off in city centers and stuff like that. I don't like no bully man in no uniform tellin' me what to do. I am me, after all.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:31 | 843298 serotonindumptruck
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Oh yes...they will.

And those troops who obey that order will likely be killed.

There are approximately 200 million firearms in the USA...and those weapons are in the hands of private citizens.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:41 | 843315 Pez
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Easy way to disarm the troops.

Next time you see a couple of "militia men" on your street corner, have the local kids on the block put a pretty flower in the barrel of their automatic weapon.

Obviously they forgot who they were supposed to defend.


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 06:58 | 843847 Dave
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Try to put a flower in the barrel of that 30mm cannon on the helicopter

gunship flying over the crowd. Once again I ask if any of you clowns

ever been in the military. Because you don't have a clue what they'll do.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:41 | 843314 divide_by_zero
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The Posse Comitatus Act was repealed in 2008, freeing the use of the U.S. military for virtually any purpose against U.S. citizens. I don't recall any signifiacnt opposition from military leaders at the time.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:45 | 843322 Pez
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Once you open Pandora's box....can you really close it?


On March 10, 2009, active duty Army military police troops from Fort Rucker were deployed to Samson, Alabama in response to a murder spree. Samson police officials confirmed the troops' presence, but it remains unclear who requested the troops and under what authority they were deployed. The governor of Alabama did not request military assistance and President Obama did not authorize their deployment. According to police officials, the soldiers were involved in traffic control and securing the crime scene. An investigation into possible violations of several federal laws including the Posse Comitatus Act, is underway. In October, the Army found that Posse had been violated and several military members received "administrative actions."

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:54 | 843353 serotonindumptruck
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I would encourage you to have this conversation with your County Sheriff. You just might make a new friend in the process.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:45 | 843324 Dr. Sandi
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If the military can't or won't do it, the powerz will simply send in their real tast force, Xe and Halliburton. They won't be Americans and they don't give a rat's ass about blowing up little Jimmy, little Jimmy's sister, little Jimmy's mom, little Jimmy's house, little Jimmy's neighborhood and even little Jimmy's pet Rottweiler.

We trained these guys to do the dirty work in Iraq, Afghanistan and, unfortunately, are now training them to do it here.

So be nice to the brown people who trim your lawn. They may have relatives who will decide whether little Jimmy gets the chance to grow up and become an unemployed bum or not.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:04 | 843374 serotonindumptruck
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...little Jimmy's sister..

That's kinda funny in a sick, twisted way of looking at it.

They won't "blow up" "little Jimmy's sister".

She'll be reserved for their "special" attentions.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:45 | 843422 Bringin It
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Dr. Sandi - Indigenous fighters from the mountains of SE Asia are being imported as we speak, ie. Hmong and Karen.  People who have spent a good part of their lives under fire.  Who knows, maybe they scored well on the citizenship test?

It's different now though.  Twenty years ago, being imported into the US meant a ticket to the biggest and greatest PX ever.  Now they prepare by doing long runs in the hills.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:56 | 843441 francismarion
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Don't want to freak anybody out but there are Hmungoids from the planet Hmungo doing traffic control in downtown Alameda right now. We are so doomed.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:23 | 843553 Aristarchan
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I have a lot of Hmong frinds here now that I met many years ago....they are good people.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 01:08 | 843586 Bringin It
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I'm not saying they're not.  Chow Fa - Lords of the Sky.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 01:18 | 843598 Aristarchan
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They are hell-on-wheels at fighting...give them a gun, some ammo, a piece of dried monkey meat and some rice, they will march for days and slit anyone's throat who gets in their way.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 01:24 | 843603 Aristarchan
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At least we tried to take care of some of our allies from that era......

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:05 | 843776 merehuman
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right as rain Dr Sandi. I recall an elderly woman in N.O. where the possy entered , took her shot gun, hurt her in the process and left her defenseless. She was later robbed. All this under the color of Law.  Am on utube a lot and notice anger and comprehension building among our people. There are some great silver vids and some going viral have used peoples greed and curiousity to inform themselves further. 100rd monkey syndrome finally kicking in.

How we will fight back  i dont know yet, but i envision flash mobs with bricks at JPMorgans (traitors to USA) I expect these folks to disperse just as quick. I bet these few words just condemned my stupid ass. Ohh  , hi NSA You fuckrs. Yeah we are the insurgents and we will fight. The only good central bankers are Dead central bankers.

Now if you want to know how i really feel...


Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:30 | 843409 essence
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You might believe in the military eventually sorting things out and then
following the 'right' path. I don't join in with that.

Since Vietnam, the US military (meaning essentially Officers) have turned
a blind eye to the corruption of their obsentable political superiors.

Despite having sworn an oath to 'protect the US from enemies external & internal'
what exactly have they done? Let's see, we had our former General and sec of state
lie in front of the UN. Yeah he subsequently withdrew from public life, and the only news worthly thing from him since was when he got notoriety from commenting that illegals are a handy item to have at ones disposal (that's right colin... no doubt... having a 'nigger' around to tend to your needs cheaply is a nice thing).
Sorry, that won't do colin.. you need to step up to the plate and admit to being part of an immoral operation.

Don't waste any hope thinking that the military will be anything short of hessians.
I don't exactly know what's been taught in Military colleges the last 30 years...
but apparently it isn't morals and integrity.

The US has huge political problems, foremost is that the richest,most powerful 0.1 percent of the population  encompasses a consortium of banksters/wall st and the military industry complex.

And the willing 'handmaidens' for those enities above... who carry out their
wishes? The Military is certainly amoung them.

Don't count on the Military. The track record isn't there.











Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:51 | 843428 Bringin It
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Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:52 | 843430 Bringin It
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Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:50 | 843432 Bringin It
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Agreed. Just want to point out that Colin got his start doing the white-wash for Mai Lai.  Having demonstrated his usefulness, he went on to bigger and badder jobs.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:36 | 843493 cosmictrainwreck
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essence: I'm confused. I haven't seen nary a post here that holds out the remotest hope for the military to provide any benefit to citizenry. Quite the opposite. And as you point out, they're jst a bounch of whores in uniform. That's the officer corps I'm talking about, anybody above Major. I'll go one more, and even cut slack to O-6's and such in the field. The real sell-out pussies are in the Pentagon, etc. Nothing but fuckin' bureaucrats wainting for their goddamn pensions. And so far as what the teach at Academies.... how to kow-tow and kiss ass? Nah, guess they save that for "charm school" later.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:18 | 843152 Bubbles...bubbl...
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Very soon coming to a city near you.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:08 | 843232 ??
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Homeland Security drone patrolling NNY

images of Drone tracking motor boat on Lake Ontario





September 09, 2010


The FAA has been working for some time on new regulations governing the use of drones, but has yet to complete them. And the August incident brought one of the FAA's key concerns to bear -- the prospect that remote operators can lose communications with the aircraft.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:32 | 843301 francismarion
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People are funny. If we patrol the border of Afghanistan better than our own, people complain. If we operate drones over our cities like we do over Kabul, people complain. Go figure.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:11 | 843144 apberusdisvet
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There will be a restriction on ammo sales within 6 months; bet on it.

Within 2 years, there will be a TSA "warden" for every 1000 people.

Within 10 years, it will be "press 1 for Mandarin"

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:33 | 843181 ArrestBobRubin
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Only in their wet dreams lad. But they're not even gonna get close.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:35 | 843189 mynhair
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Silver does melt, but what a waste.  Hear it's good against squids, though.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:43 | 843321 serotonindumptruck
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For many people in the USA, especially those who value their 2nd Amendment Rights, lead (pb) is a precious metal.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:18 | 843151 Diogenes
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Here is something I don't understand. How can it be bad for the economy when people save money?

Look at it this way. If everyone saved 10% of their income where would that money go? To the bank, right? And what would the bank do with it? Loan it to somebody right? And they would spend it right? So the savings would end up back in the economy anyway. Except the savers would have money in the bank, the bank would have a profitable investment, and the borrower would have the money they need.

How can it be bad for the economy to money well invested, prosperous banks and citizens with savings?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:52 | 843214 mberry8870
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It would be bad now because the 10% saved would not ultimately go toward lending it would go toward the write down of assets, ultimately. The worse thing for banks to incur right now is a write down of asset values.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:53 | 843349 QQQBall
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MB8870 -


The assets have already been "written down" (by the market)... Lets clear the market and establish true price equilibrium. 


The Tea Bagger reps will not vote against State bailouts... look for the MAD threat (EOW if we do not bail them out) with reasoning that if Cali and Ill fail, the rest will fall like dominos.



Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:31 | 843297 Misean
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It is never bad to save.  The problem lies in the completely fallacious Keynsian macro system.  If spending and consumption produced growth, then we could all just collect checks freshly printed from the Feral Reserve.  This is ludicrous.  So is Keynsianism.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:21 | 843154 francismarion
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Catch 22 was published in 1961.

So does that mean that it took fifty years for really baaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaa baaaaaaa baaaaaaaaad stuff to almost be fixen ta gonna  happen?

Who's the sheeple? Splane it t'me.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:02 | 843230 Selah
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"1984" was published in 1948. Look how long that took for that novel to become an instruction book for the government...


Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:05 | 843237 francismarion
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I like your moniker. Read any other books I might know? That's the stuff.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:38 | 843311 Misean
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Ummm...look tool, Catch 22 was a story about WW II bomber pilots...Are you PURPOSELY trying to look like an idiot, or is it something that got handed down to you from your parents?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 01:37 | 843614's picture

Yossarian was a bombardier, if I recall correctly.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:23 | 843163 buzzsaw99
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They can count on my help! :snickers:

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:24 | 843164 Kayman
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Only if savings are not matched by investment, will savings be a negative to an economy.

The U.S. desperately needs savings or the country is finished. Printing and borrowing offshore is like putting a bandaid on a bleeding wound.

No country is going to kill the U.S. We have almost completed the job ourselves.

The highest valued public company in the U.S. does all of its manufacturing in China.  Geez- is there a message there ?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:05 | 843233 francismarion
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If there is, I'm not getting it.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 01:39 | 843615 Bringin It
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The message is - You are a junk magnet lowercase-fm.  Check it out for yourself.  Hillarious.  Time for a special thanks to all the aware and/or patriotic.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:32 | 843175 ArrestBobRubin
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Ag + Au = freedom from the Pimps of Paper.


.357, 12 Gauge, 7.62 x 39, 9mm and .223 = how we enforce that freedom.


A new day will soon rise on the back of a hard asset backed monetary system, and on top some very badly riddled corpses

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:36 | 843187 francismarion
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You sound like a real desperado. Don't forget to drink your Ovaltine.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:41 | 843192 ArrestBobRubin
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What's that, a squeal from The Swamp 'Tard?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:23 | 843395 merehuman
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francis marion either you are truly clueless or a troll. Giving you the benefit of doubt .

Google "meltup". Its a start. Buy food , stock up as time to prepare is running out.


Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:12 | 843462 Bringin It
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MH - he's got the Revolutionary's moniker, but he trolls like joeleiberman.

May the real FM might jump out of his grave and grab and grab this clown by the throat.  Because the clown epitomizes the thieving, conniving state the real FM fought so hard and long to defeat.

To me, it's a kind of sacrilege to abuse the name like he's doing. I mean OK, he can come to ZH, spout his nonsense and get junked left and right like he is now, but if he had a grain of honesty in his decrepit bones, he would pick an appropriate handle.  Like instead of FrancisMarion, he could be michealchertoff, or jeosephgoebbels, or tarikaziz, or janetneapolitano ... 



Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:31 | 843487 francismarion
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Sorry, Bringing It, all I can think of to say to someone that is so wrecked by someone that he could easily ignore is 'phut'. Hopefully that will be the last little nudge to make the top of your head explode.

When you think of something to say that deserves my special talents, I hope I am there to respond. Provocative I do, mediocre I do, dog stupid, naw.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 01:18 | 843600 Bringin It
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When you think of something to say that deserves my special talents ...

Like what?  Hey would ya blow me?  No thanks.

Anything else you want us to know about your special talents?

You are here to promote the Zionist agenda? Yes?  No? ... Maybe?

This agenda is in the process of collapsing the soon to be useless America.  In the mean time, it's clear from your posts you adore the boys in green, doing your dirty work.

Question - Why the adoration?  because they're doing your dirty work or are you bragging about your special talents again?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:11 | 843780 merehuman
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Pardon me, but i find this hilarious. I have seen myself be stubbornly stupid, this guy  makes me feel

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 08:34 | 843917 cosmictrainwreck
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it's one of his "special talents". reminds me of college where some nerd always screwed the rest of us by "breaking the [grading] curve" HA. this dude raises the curve for us.....

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:37 | 844235 laosuwan
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he's been banned before, snuck back in under the radar. Cog o shit must not be taking his medicine again.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:37 | 844236 laosuwan
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he's been banned before, snuck back in under the radar. Cog o shit must not be taking his medicine again.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:31 | 843176 nmalgeri
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Excellent post

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:32 | 843178 SoCalBusted
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Shut up, Be Happy - "The number one enemy of Progress is questions."  "At last, everything is done for you."



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