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Guest Post: 2011 - The Year Of Catch 22

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Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:42 | 843117 gwar5
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Catch-22

Government needs to nationalize everyone's assets to balance the books, but the 2nd Amendment stands in their way.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:55 | 843132 Brutlstrudl
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The only ammendment you can't spin.  It is what it is

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:50 | 843210 DosZap
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Oh, they spin it all the time, trouble is, 40-60 million Americans won't spin.

Screw with the 2nd,in any fascistic/irrational/dictatorial way, start really pushing, bend over and kiss (insert name here) ------------ Goodbye.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:38 | 843310 Dr. Sandi
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Yeah, I can't wait for the heroes to start pumping deer shot into those gunship drone planes when they fly in.

And a few rounds of .357 ammo blasting into the armor on those Strykers will really send an important message to "The Man."

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:44 | 843320 Hulk
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We will definitely need lots of weaponized pussy...and now that I think about it, weaponized dick too  now that don't ask don't tell has been repealed...

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:15 | 843385 francismarion
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You are talking goofy. I bet you are cute, though. And I bet you know more about certain things than anyone else on this site. Why not knock us out with something like that instead of running with the ZH hoodie patrol? They are all idiots.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:53 | 843437 ColonelCooper
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While I understand (respectfully disagree with) the sentiment of your comment, would you care to explain why we haven't been able to kick the shit out of the Afghani's?? - You know, those whose total armament is not even close to that of the readers of ZH, let alone the American citizenry.....

Hmmm. Seems the Soviets didn't have a lot of luck with that either.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:09 | 843458 francismarion
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We rolled up their conventional forces with a couple of hundred forward observers and a lot of air power in the first couple of weeks, imposed our figurehead and then dithered for ten years while the world went nuts over our violations of human rights. We only win if they decide we win. Not too encouraging.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:09 | 843528 Mad Mad Woman
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The status quo is good for the military/industrial complex. There's no profits in winning.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:42 | 843567 hardmedicine
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Catherine Fitts has a very interesting theory concerning the military/industrial/financial complexes and how they are draining our societies:

 

http://solari.com/realdeal.htm

 

The tapeworm economy is a very good read.  Also her insight into government corruption from first hand experience is worth the time in reading there.  The military is a jobs program and if you listen to Niall Fergusons lecture on down the page here he will inform you that the U.S. has been the world's policeman, (of course he tells it from the apologists viewpoint, being that the world needed us and we were the only one who could fulfill their need <sarcasm off>

 

The Russians retreated from Afghanistan shortly before their collapse because of incredible support from the U.S. for the Afghan forces.

 

The real question in my mind keeps being, why were we fighting our own race of people?  Talk about mind-control propoganda.  I can't believe that we FUNDED the islamic radical fundamentalist against our own white brotherhood when America was primarily white then.  Our entire history is one huge framing of Illuminati brainwashing.  I spend a lot of time talking to people to encourage home-schooling now, some will listen.  I pray for hope each day. 

 

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 04:40 | 843745 DavidPierre
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Fitts has been all over this...HUD...CIA drug money in the stock market and banking since day one.

Catherine has bigger balls, and has been at it longer, than all the SmokeyJimQuinns and KuntDenninger MORONs combined.

{Hey TD... lot better people to highlight than the MSM/WannaBe types!}

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:51 | 844137 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Fitts has been all over this...HUD...CIA drug money in the stock market and banking since day one.

No, actually, on day one she was just another sperm trail in the great Washington/Wall Street circle jerk.

Now, after she made millions and millions, she supposedly found some virtue.  How convenient. 

 

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:05 | 844162 tamboo
Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:22 | 843472 cosmictrainwreck
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Seems to me Afgh. was just a cover/diversion/excuse for Iraqi invasion and as such put GS bullshit to shame. That fuckin' Cheney..... well, shit who knows? Maybe 5-10 years out, some of us may be forced to "thank" the man for stealing oil production FBO the USA. Anybody care to calculate cost per bbl, adding Afgh & Iraq together? Just the cash alone is one thing: $ Trillion? What about the human cost? Can't even count...... SHIT

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:28 | 843483 ColonelCooper
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You and FM  are both correct in your comments, but both of you are having a different conversation.  We will not achieve any type of desicive victory in AF using conventional means, and neither would we over the American citizenry. 

All this was in response to Dr. Sandi's lack of faith in the effectivness of Joe Sixpacks .270 Win..  I think Abdul's AK is an appropriate comparison.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:41 | 843500 cosmictrainwreck
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I'd still - just for fun - like to see $/bbl of Iraqi oil based on war costs; I'd even settle for just the HARD CASH...not the "indirect" Betcha it's $250/bbl

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:18 | 843546 francismarion
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You may sell it. That's what whore's do. Honest people give it away.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:50 | 843510 bankonzhongguo
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In five years we will take the entire Arabian Peninsula.  Since Djibouti came online as a major intel station the plan has been to roll Yemen, Oman and the Saudis into the same coop as Iraq is in today.  We don't have to invade, we just want to install our own rep that will eventually sell all their oil/gas to us - or not to China.  Watch the news the new year - 'big AQ ops in Yemen and across the border into Oman and Saudi sanctuaries.'  There are less than 500 Saudi royal targets lined up to take out that sand box.  If the US can plant the underwear bomber - read kurt haskell - and it never is followed up in the MSM and that is used to usher a new era of naked body scanners and neo-fascism, well anything is possible.  Another plane load of Saudi box cutters and the JDAMs come marching in.  Oil has to hit $200 first.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:18 | 844201 fajensen
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The Pashtuns are happy as long as there are a steady supply of foreigners to fight; The Afghan and Pakistan governments are happy as long as there is a steady flow of aid money misappropriate; The Americans are happy blowing rocks into smaller rocks with USD 800,000 a pop ammunition, it fells like "winning"; The CIA is happy rocketing wedding parties from a trailer in Utah and Obummah wants to keep everyone happy.

http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/pushtun-smiling.jpg

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:41 | 843566 tmosley
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Yeah, because we all know that a determined insurgency can't stand up to the might of the US armed forces.

Wait, they can?  Oh that's right.

Now, imagine how badly we would have had our asses kicked in Iraq and Afghanistan if the sources of our supply lines were not only in country, but run by the enemy.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:15 | 843782 ColonelCooper
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++++

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:00 | 843137 Everyman
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And that 2nd amendment would be delivered via a deer slug or .308, .50 BMG rounds.  These guys are playing with revolutionary fire.  The "Powers that Be" are just about to be consumed in a conflagration of "common people" reclaiming what is rightfully theirs.

Bad time to have "rising profits" when everyone wants to ventilate your chest cavity via gunpowder.  That is true, there is a "Catch-22" and the Politicians know it.  To save the country they must cut the spending; to save their own ass they must spend.  That is how revolutions start.

The United States Republic National Militia formation is not far away.  The Politicians, bankers, and the FED RES will be the first condemned traitors, and habeas corpus will be suspended for the duration of the excercise.

We are on the edge of very unsettled times, and the so called "Powers that Be" created their own mess, and therefore dug their own graves.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:27 | 843168 francismarion
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We are just on the edge of verrrry unsettled times. It's verrry disturbing. I'm gonna trash talk and thump my chest with some really vivid expressions of human dismemberment to prove it, right before I march my little feet up and down and decide to join a militia. Then I'll really kill people. Oops. Not gonna wanna oughta coulda woulda shoulda hamada hamada hamada....

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:20 | 843268 Bringin It
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hamada hamada yourself ^Francis Marion aka, the false-flag poster.  When kind of venacular is that?  You even went to the trouble of getting yourself that cute little S. Carolina flag and all and then you pants yourself in public.  What a fool.

Check it out.  Which one are you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vvQJ7ZDg1Y

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:25 | 843282 francismarion
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When you say something, I will respond.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:39 | 843563 Bringin It
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gonna wanna oughta coulda woulda shoulda hamada hamada hamada....

Like your so articulate.  Dude - check out the junks.  No one wants you to respond ... other than for the comedic appeal that is.

We need to hear you sell your Americans-need-to-die-and-cough-up-more-wealth for your Zino-projecto broken record screed over and over again?

"Kill the demonic Persians" ain't that so mf'er? 

No thanks.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:31 | 843177 mynhair
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BMG, bitchez!

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:53 | 843513 Billy Shears
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You had to destroy the village in order to save it, come on...bitchez!

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:01 | 843521 Alexandre Stavisky
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After watching the systematic dismounting of all the "checks" in the check-and-balance system of a democratic republic, how could anyman not see what is coming, coming?

The gold standard checked the wanton greed of the banker/politico syndicate.  Too much fractionalizing, too much carefree lending, and...international bankrun on the precious.  Dismantle Glass-Stegall, kill any attempt at another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecora_Commission, subvert the natural animosities in the three branches and coordinate their impulses under corruption.  Then subvert all the regulatory agencies entrusted with defense of "little man" rights and access to fair markets.  In other words obtain the keys to all the organs of the body politic tasked with the defense of individual cellular rights.  Do it deliberately, with sinister and malicious intent.

Any one is akin to slitting a jugular or tearing a vena cava, together is a large caliber in the temple or a particularly vicious and invasive blood delivered cancer or poison.

Checks and balances kept the forces of evil and light at variance.  It kept the union and rewarded the proper and remarkable.

No balance exists.  Checks have been vanquished.  Rampant fraud, violation of the rule of law, and opposition to all the rights of men and divinely ordained protections has reached its fulness.

Men of a rich nation will be lulled by government largess to a state of extreme dependency, then the state will abandon them.  Like whelp pups weaned far too early, they will starve in their infantile states in utter degredation.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:08 | 843143 Bubbles...bubbl...
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Since when has the Constitution been an impediment?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:01 | 844152 tamboo
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no longer possible:

"One stark and sobering way to frame the crisis is this: if the United States government were to nationalize (in other words, steal) every penny of private wealth accumulated by America's citizens since the nation's founding 235 years ago, the government would remain totally bankrupt."

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_08/dougherty012210.html

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:55 | 843133 Hulk
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Well done Jim, very well done.

The confidence game can be over in a millisecond, got Gold?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:23 | 843162 francismarion
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It's bad, Hulky, it really is. My doctor told me I had six months to live. I told him I couldn't pay him. So he gave me another six months. Ba da bing.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:34 | 843180 Hulk
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Funny FM, but don't stop those unemployment checks just yet...

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:28 | 843169 Chris Jusset
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Hulk says:

"Well done Jim, very well done."

Agreed ... the article is very well done, and captures the fundamental dilemmas facing our clueless leadership.  The more involved the government becomes in the private marketplace, the more damage is done.

"U.S. politicians and Ben Bernanke spent almost $1.8 trillion, or 13% of GDP, in one year to create a miniscule 2.7% increase in GDP. This is reported as a recovery by the mainstream corporate media mouthpieces."

LOL.  The system is so obviously fucked up ... and yet our leadership continues to dig the hole deeper and deeper ... as clueless as ever ...

 

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:47 | 843205 francismarion
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Chris

Just click your heels together three times and repeat after me, there's no pm like platinum, there's no pm like platinum, there's no pm like.....

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:58 | 843224 DosZap
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The system is so obviously fucked up ... and yet our leadership continues to dig the hole deeper and deeper ... as clueless as ever ...

 If you believe that for one minute, I have some swampland for sale in AZ.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:05 | 843140 ??
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speaking of Catch 22 now we have "GORGON" coming to a town near you (eventually)

 

New U.S. drone 'can see everything'

 

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/01/02/New-US-drone-can-see-everythin...

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:11 | 843146 Everyman
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Don't think for a minute that the United States Military (DOD) will go against the people.  They will not.  There are many in the DOD that do not sign their level 4 security clearances anymore because they want to be on "the right side" which is NOT with the government.  There would be BIG divisions within the Defense Department and I believe it would side with "the people" before it would brainlessly follow "Washington DC", against States and Towns.

 

I have far greater faith in our Military "joining the body politic" of the People, than dreading that.  OUr Military are far more intelligent than we give them credit.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:14 | 843149 Bubbles...bubbl...
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They don't need the military to do police work.

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:13 | 843254 serotonindumptruck
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That statement is redundant.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 04:58 | 843767 cranky-old-geezer
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Yes, that's the point.

I suspect there are far more police type folks running around on home soil than military, and those police type folks are getting lots of experience invading people's lives, violating people's rights, etc, while much / most of the military are dispatched overseas.

It seems quite plausable that police, not military, would be the implementers of a POLICE state.

So it doesn't really matter if the military would side with the American people.  They're (purposely?) being kept overseas mostly. 

And it's pretty apparent police have no such loyaly to the American people.  They're trained from day 1 to violate people's lives and rights and they get more comfortable with it every day.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:16 | 843783 ColonelCooper
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++++

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:30 | 843174 Ahmeexnal
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I suggest you inform yourself better. The MIL has already gone against the people. Have you forgotten Waco?

Your blind faith in the MIL is sickening. The US military is not even the shadow of what it used to be. And it is in this state because it is in the best interest of TPTB.

A few years ago, TPTB were supposedly trying to find ways to avoid the same mistakes that befell the Roman Empire.

Well, that's what they said they were doing. In fact, the have been carrying out THE EXACT SAME THINGS that led to the collapse of the Roman Empire.

If you think I'm joking, you'd better think twice:

 

According to Gibbon, the Roman Empire succumbed to barbarian invasions in large part due to the gradual loss of civic virtue among its citizens. They had become weak, outsourcing their duties to defend their Empire to barbarian mercenaries, who then became so numerous and ingrained that they were able to take over the Empire. Romans, he believed, had become effeminate, unwilling to live a tougher, "manly" military lifestyle.

 

 

As I said before, the US is now in the Heliogabalus era equivalent.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:46 | 843198 francismarion
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I don't think you're stupid. Just lazy. The US military is a volunteer fighting force. Rome is an inadequate metaphor for the US. Mexicans, Cubans, Chinese, Polish one day- American the next.

Enough with the Heliogabalus already. We are in the summer days of the divine Antonines. Enjoy.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:21 | 843277 Bringin It
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francismarion the status quo revolutionary.  Too funny.  Yes, good job.  You've got us all fooled.  Keep up the good work.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:15 | 843256 DosZap
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Ahm.

Me thinks you are confused.

The Romans grew old,gray,and greedy.

They hired the Barbarians for Mercs.

Our Military is made up of volunteers from the young folks down the street,next door, not foreign hired trash.

Your sons, mine, others here on this board.

As far as PoPo's, they are civilians, and they retire /quit, get fired also.

They are subject to the same laws we are.Think they will get cut any slack?,or special priviledges?.

Nope, and they know it. The Military men and women take an Oath, and they take it VERY seriously.

You know it, What is the PRIMARY duty of that Oath?.

Not following it, makes them enemy combatants.And liars.

Which, they most assuredly are not.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:29 | 843288 Bringin It
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DosZap - I would not use the term trash, but surely you must know, our military is now full of the foreign hired.  In fact to bolster the Roman analogy, part of the deal is that the foreign hired, get to become citizens when they're done killing for the oligarchs.

You are not aware of this?

And this is clearly not true

The Military men and women take an Oath, and they take it VERY seriously.

No one is acting against all enemies, foreign and domestic as the oath requires.

OK, maybe Admiral Fallon and a few others, but most just do what they're told.

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