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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

The 40-Year Cycle of Cultural Change

The U.S. is due for another cultural revolution, led by the younger generations, perhaps including a fifth Great Awakening.

There seems to be a 40-year cycle of cultural change in American society. The classic exploration of generational types and cycles, The Fourth Turning, identified a four-generational, 80-year cycle of profound crisis and transformation:

1781 - end of the Revolution and establishment of the nation
1861 - Civil War
1941 - Global war and end of the Depression
2021 - end of the Savior State and debt-based "prosperity," Peak Everything and geopolitical conflict over resources

In terms of cultural revolutions, these seem to sweep through every 40 years or so, a two-generational cycle within the longer cycle. It's not an exact cycle, but consider these dates and eras:

1740: The First Great Awakening: The Protestant evangelical movement of the 1740s played a key role in the development of democratic concepts in the period of the American Revolution and helped foster a demand for the separation of church and state.

1776-1781: Revolutionary War, cultural shift away from the British Empire and toward an American identity.

1820: Second Great Awakening: sparks the rise of the Abolitionist movement which sets the cultural, social and spiritual stage for the Civil War.

1860: the Civil War

1890s: The Gay 90s, a period of American expansion and new freedoms of expression, clouded by the Panic of 1893 which sent the economy into a 6-year depression.

This era was the culmination of the Gilded Age, the industrialization of the U.S. economy between 1865 and 1900. By the beginning of the 20th century, per capita income and industrial production in the United States led the world, with per capita incomes double that of Germany or France, and 50% higher than Britain. Not coincidentally, the birth of the modern industrial labor union occurred around 1890.

1925-30: The Roaring Twenties, an era "marked by a general feeling of discontinuity associated with modernity and a break with traditions. Everything seemed to be feasible through modern technology. Formal decorative frills were shed in favor of practicality in both daily life and architecture. At the same time, jazz and dancing rose in popularity, and as such the period is also known as the Jazz Age."

1967-1970: The Counterculture, which included the culmination of the Civil Rights Movement and the birth/expansion of the feminist movement, Eastern spirituality in the U.S., back-to-the-land self-sufficiency, rock music as a cultural force, the nonviolent anti-war movement, the anti-nuclear movement, experimentation with communal living and drugs, Futurist concepts, and a widespread expansion of freedom of self-expression and experimentation. Many observers believe this ear also launched a Fourth Awakening as evangelical denominations expanded and "Jesus freaks" found religious inspiration outside mainline churches.

The book What the Dormouse Said: How the 60s Counterculture Shaped the Personal Computer makes a strong case that this era set the stage for the ultimate technological medium of experimentation and self-expression, the personal computer, which then led irresistably to the World Wide Web (all the foundational technologies of the Internet were in place by 1969-- The first permanent ARPANET link was established on November 21, 1969, between UCLA and Stanford Research Institute.)

Which changed the world, of course. Those darn hippies!

1970 + 40 = 2010: That takes us to the present. Right now the nation is wallowing self-piteously in a fetid trough of denial and adolescent rage/magical thinking that the nation's bogus, debt-based "prosperity" has crashed and cannot be restored, though Ben Bernanke and the clueless "leaders" the citizenry has fecklessly elected keep trying to glue Humpty Dumpty back back together again.

Unfortunately, all they've accomplished is to glue their own fingers together.

The "too big to fail" banks and Corporate Cartels effectively own the Federal machinery of governance, the Savior State's fiefdoms are expanding their reach and power like uncontrollable cancers, and the "leadership"--mostly self-glorifying. grossly incompetent, self-absorbed, greedy Baby Boomers, but with a few equally clueless 40-somethings present just to prove that age is no protection against self-delusion and supreme greed-- has resolved to surrender to the Financial Power Elites and State fiefdoms, and fiddle around with "extend and pretend" strategies until they can exit the stage with bulging bags of swag.

Their only goal is to not be the one blamed when the whole corrupt contraption finally collapses under its own weight. If there was ever a more pathetic, corrupt, cowardly and incompetent set of "leaders" in the nation's history, they must have done their skimming during periods of relative prosperity. Now we need real leaders, not TV-ready simulacra spouting bloated slogans that contain the magic word "change."

Gen X and Gen Y, this is your "lights, camera, action!" call, if not for political power, then for a cultural revolution. I for one am ready for a Fifth Awakening, a Cultural Revolution, and a restoration of self-rule and the real, non-financialized economy.

Happy Bastille Day. It's time we tore down the Bank Bastille that's imprisoning us all.


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Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:24 | 1457204 Hard1
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Change bitchez!!!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:36 | 1457243 Hugh G Rection
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Beware ZHers, the threads are rife with federal agent provocateur scumbags.


Latest culprit, HITMAN56, and his disappearing post on the Timmy thread.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:05 | 1457322 SoNH80
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Freaky freaky freaky stuff indeed..... food for thought.... remember, kids, Peace Is The Way of The Jedi. 

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:09 | 1457336 Dr. Richard Head
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Thought grenades are the most effective indeed.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:19 | 1457354 LFMayor
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The Jedi are a bunch of hippy dipshits, brought to you via plagarization by a stoned out peacenik boomer. 

There are no absolutes?  My ass.  Alderaan is a peaceful world...  now that entropy has set in.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:37 | 1457442 SoNH80
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You are speaking in ellipses, what are you trying to say?  RE: the "I hate gringos" patter, you way want to apply for a Ford or Rockefeller Foundation grant, they are still really into that kind of thing.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:39 | 1457453 Hugh G Rection
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I always thought of Star Wars as a biblical metaphor, good vs evil, light vs darkside.  Dunno if I would call the Jedi hippy, they settled a lot of conflicts with light sabers for a bunch of hippies.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:18 | 1457359 CH1
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Yup, almost every suggestion to act badly is from a Fed nowadays.

Trying to justify their fetid, parasitic existence.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 22:25 | 1458289 jeff montanye
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fetid trough of magical thinking.  points of original post seem cogent; the writing is unusually vivid for this joint.  like it.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:03 | 1457312 Michael
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We also need to identify by name those brain damaged control freak individuals in the numerous bureaucracies of government and actively campaign to to get rid of them as well. 

Anyone in those bureaucracies with "Deputy" before their name should be targeted too.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 22:32 | 1458298 jeff montanye
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no, no.  someday deputy county prosecutor.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:17 | 1458373 Ident 7777 economy
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How about: Anyone over 45, cleancut, who is wearing a coat tie and enters the bldg before 8 AM ? That should get all the 'managers' ...



Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:52 | 1457321 Fukushima Sam
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Did Chuck even read "The Fourth Turning" past reviews on websites?

The last Awakening was indeed the 60's and 70's period.  That was Summer.  Every 20 years (about) the seasons change (a "Turning") as the different generations move into new phases of life.  This makes the current or soon to be starting period Winter, or a Crisis.  This is the polar opposite of an Awakening.

The big question is what direction will the Crisis take?  Will we go to war internally?  Will we have a confrontation with China?

No Awakening, Chuck, sorry to say.  Get ready for two decades of creative destruction.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:00 | 1457741 Ghordius
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I agree, Charles Hugh Smith has it the wrong way round. According to this theory the "Awakenings" are every 80 years.

That's when "Idealists" start to get new ideas, form new cultures, tells everybody to stop behaving like before and to do something different, argue and go on your nerves, etc. The theory calls them "Prophets", and they usually lead you like Moses to a desert. We call them Baby Boomers.

The crisis comes because they lose their ideals, become corrupt or, like Moses, they may not enter the Promised Land.

Meanwhile the new generation is "Conformist", "Realist" and does not care a shit about what ideology is right as long as it is the same for everyone. The theory calls them "Heroes" and they usually get into a lot of grief.

The poor guys between are called "Nomads", they have to follow their parents in the search of perfection and have the worst of all the problems, until the surviving "Heros" inherit the new world.

Need a drink now...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:44 | 1457846 Fukushima Sam
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As Nomads we are pissed and cynical.  When we were kids our parents gave us a few bucks to go see movies like Star Wars and The Muppet Movie and we would hop theaters for hours, waiting for them to finally come pick us up.  In our childhood the propaganda told us there would be a happy ending, that when the rainbow on the set of The Muppet Movie came crashing down all would be okay because the real rainbow could stream through the hole in the roof.  Then as adults we realized that our parents didn't really seem to like us much and that there did not seem to be happy endings in the movie called reality.

But in our children we see the seeds of a new hope, and we will do what we can to create a new world for them, where happy endings may once again be possible.  If our generation only has fake rainbows that crash then perhaps our children can have the real deal due to our efforts.  This is our destiny in history, and we must embrace it now as we move into middle age.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:52 | 1457875 Bolweevil
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Now I know why there are so many songs about rainbows.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 19:04 | 1457898 Fukushima Sam
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Rainbow + LSD = Awesome!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:53 | 1458232 Cleve Meater
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Great great great ... Exactly my nomadic thoughts. +1 times 27 equals -918

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:57 | 1458239 WSP
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Actually, in our children we see new ways to be selfish and to "take" from others.  Listen, all "progress" and "change" represent are buzzwords for new ways for one set of the population (the ones who had rough childhoods) to find ways to redefine society to benefit them.

In the end, not one single thing in man's so-called progressive history has every really made life better----all it has ever done is made us more and more controlled, watched, and manipulated.

In the end, we would all be much happier if just left alone----but no, there will always be a sect of humans that want to control others and steal from them.   This is really not a hard concept to understand, yet, so few people understand it.....I guess the harder it is for you to understand, the more likely it is you are "taker" rather than "mind your own business'er".

If ever there were a reason for one man to hate another, it certainly would be to hate those that tell us that we need to "change" to fit some idealistic idea they may have.   The true meaning of course, is for us to change to benefit them.  When you think about, most people really suck---absolute roaches and scum bags.  If everyone would just mind their own damn business----god, we could be so happy!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:15 | 1458365 Fukushima Sam
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You are right; to help our children we must tear down the wrong bullshit created by our parents and grandparents.  These are the things that don't let people be free.

I do not agree we will be selfish.  I truly want the next two generations to succeed, even at the expense of my own success, and I do not think I am the only one.

The great thing about our kids is that they will love us back.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 19:27 | 1457954 smore
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Right.  I never read CHS any more.  It's too annoying.  He never seems to grasp more than about a third of any subject before he starts typing.  Sloppy.

The "Heroes" are going to make perfect "just following orders" Nazis.  They have been training the boy scouts to arrest those dangerous vets.  They will be the ones explaining to you why it is good for the planet that you have to take that euthanasia pill.   You are just producing too much carbon dioxide.  That's what they have been taught since they were five years old.

Strauss and Howe are very clear about the fact that a Fourth Turning can end in total horror. 

The Heroines are good in bed though...


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 20:52 | 1458109 baby_BLYTHE
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Bangbros? lol. 

 Anyways, Don't ever forget the German army was the most powerful army (many times over) in the history of modern Western war.

Hitler was the fool and sewed the seeds of his own demise.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 22:40 | 1458305 jeff montanye
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like sewed the seeds.  couldn't develop an atomic bomb because he was anti-jewish.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:14 | 1458368 hamurobby
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 8mm Mauser is HEAVY, Der German infantry couldn't carry enough to the eastern front.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 22:41 | 1458306 jeff montanye
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you had me until the last line.  icon almost evens it.  strange that.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 19:28 | 1461196 smore
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Hmmf... I think you might have misunderestimated my superficiality.  Which generation would you prefer in your bed, then?  Heroines are at at their physical peak, and also incredibly slutty.  That's all I meant.  Glad you like the icon though.  

Further info on Millenials here:


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:19 | 1458362 Fukushima Sam
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You could be right about the Nazi aspect, but perhaps we can help provide the buffer between the Boomer radicals and the willing Millennials.  If Gen X does not involve itself then I fear you may be correct.  But if we do then perhaps we can temper the madness.

I don't agree that a Fourth Turning ends in horror.  The horror is right near the end, but the fourth Turning only ends in resolution.  Whether the resolution is to your liking is anyone's guess...

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 19:37 | 1461219 smore
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I only said that it CAN end in horror.  This is based on listening to two recent interviews with Strauss, who seems to be the "Penn" of the duo, in which he was definitely less sanguine about the prospects ahead than in the books.  He emphasized that there is nothing inevitable about the Heroes succeeding in their generational task.  Given the size of the problems ahead, I don't give a lot for their chances.  I think we are all doomed. 


Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:35 | 1459925 Anonymau5
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Perhaps the terminology is wrong, but the theory is sound.  If cultural and civic changes oscillate on opposing spectrums, we should be crossing the threshold into directional change around the time the crisis is hitting.  

Essentailly, as I read the book, "falling" cultural change capitulates and reverses direction as the crisis hits, and moves opposite the borad civic destruction for this portion of the cycle.  A worsening economic and civic condition inspires individuals to pursue cultural development, or look at it the other way and beginning a positive change in develoiping a new cultural identiy inspires us to reevaluate our civic institutions.  Either way, this last twenty years and the next twenty years are the cyclically "down" period where we are learning the lessons of a worsening civic system and laying the foundation for a cultural shift which will allow the civic system to improve.

Compare to the post war period exiting the crisis and rising into the 90's and the reinforcement through the cultural maximum in the 60's.  Both were in uptrend, concantenated by a 20 year drift.  we get 1/4 cycle of double positives, 1/4 cycle of double negatives, and 2/4 cycles of rising culture and falling organization or rising organization and falling culture... right?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:24 | 1457205 buzzsaw99
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2021-2101 zombie apocalypse.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:28 | 1457218 Sudden Debt
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2070: Alien Invasion

2073: Alien Bank system forced upon Humans

2104: Alien Bank system defaults


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:03 | 1457315 Dabale arroz a ...
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+1 That's how it always goes! xD

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:43 | 1457474 Anglo in Abitibi
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Thanks SD! I`ll be laughing the whole drive home ...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:28 | 1457219 NuYawkFrankie
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Does this mean I can soon start wearing my '70s wide-lapel, powder-blue, figure-hugging, polyester lesiure-suit again?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:52 | 1457296 Sudden Debt
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It never went out of style. Just go ahead. People we be jalous!


Fri, 07/15/2011 - 05:28 | 1458622 NuYawkFrankie
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Appreciate your vote of approval ;)

Hey - any idea where I can pick up  one of those "Sat Night Fever"style chest medallions ? Used is ok, as long as the fake gold leaf isnt flaking off. tia

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 05:28 | 1458623 NuYawkFrankie
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Appreciate your vote of approval ;)

Hey - any idea where I can pick up  one of those "Sat Night Fever"style chest medallions ? Used is ok, as long as the fake gold leaf isnt flaking off. tia

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:38 | 1457226 idea_hamster
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CHSmith: "Gen X and Gen Y, this is your 'lights, camera, action!' call"

Gen X: "Sorry, couldn't hear you over AmIdol & crack pipe"

Gen Y: "tl;dr"

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:43 | 1457268 gmrpeabody
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Too funny....

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:52 | 1457522 Shameful
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You got it.  Summed it up rather nicely.  Anyone expecting the young to shape up and fix things might as well pray for Jesus or Superman to come and save them.  Think we are even more narcissistic and selfish than the Boomers, an epic feat I know, but we met the challenge. Anyone thinking that the Facebook generation will willing take on pain is in for a rude awakening.  Look at the mobs of youngsters robbing people, now imagine how bad it will get in a collapse.  Yeah the young will come together, to form gangs for looting.

It's every man for themselves, don't have to run faster than the bear, just faster than the people you are with.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:29 | 1457802 Tenma13
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Gen y aka the ME generation, will be the ones answering the call to 'defend' the nation from the evil within, you know, the evil dowers who crashed the system and made it so you can't get an iPad- Chinese, Ira, the guy down the street who speaks funny and wears different cloths; but the worst, are the ones that look just like the rest of us.

Don't be fooled by the boundary breaking, all singing , all dancing internet. It has done wonders for fragmenting opinion. Most gen y use it to Facebook, twitter random shit, follow 'important people' like Paris Hilton, and play video games. They are less informed, , not more so, fragmented, and divided. 

 truth bitchez  McCarthyism 2.0

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 22:23 | 1458288 idea_hamster
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I note that someone junked me.  I wonder whether it was a GenX or GenY. 

Likely GenX: It must be someone who would read all the way into the notes (can't be GenY) and while junk rating a post without taking the time to type out why is very GenY, it could also just be a GenX-er who has no real motivation after 99 weeks of EUC.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:31 | 1457230 st33v
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Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:19 | 1457362 Sudden Debt
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I'm impressed for a part. But what's the plan/goal?

It clearly needs some more structure, and communication.

Second: the registering?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:32 | 1457235 tbone654
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40 year minor in an 80 year major cycle maybe ?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:38 | 1457425 Fukushima Sam
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Every forty years polar opposites in the cycle appear.  The full cycle is about eighty years, about the productive life-span of a human.  Just as the length of each of the four seasons is determined by the constant length of the year, the length of each Turning is determined by the relatively fixed length of a human life, or "saeculum"

The concept of the saeculum has been around for a very long time, but in modern Western thinking a linear study of history has mostly obscured the cyclical nature of human history.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:37 | 1457246 Lord Koos
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Want some cheese with your whine?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:39 | 1457252 Quinvarius
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generation kill up to bat with nothing to lose.  how can this go bad?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:41 | 1457254 Salah
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CHS has had diarrhea of the blog the last few weeks and it looks like he's getting his prunes from an outside source.  The guy was much more lucid when he only posted something once a week or so.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:12 | 1457341 Sophist Economicus
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+ 1.    LMAO!!!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 19:12 | 1457917 narapoiddyslexia
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Tracing the trajectory of his blog over the past year leads me to conclude that the ever increasing probability of collapse is driving him to ever greater hyprbole. Mind at the end of it's tether...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:19 | 1457349 flattrader
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Lifted, chewed-up and puked-out blog posts masquerading as some sort of commentary. 

Virtually nothing he writes is orginal.

Oddly enough, he gets rave rewiews here at ZH.

(One poster doubted he even read the on-line reviews of "Fourth Turning" let alone understood it.)

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:41 | 1457255 PsefTikos
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2040   HFT PC's become self-aware (the Singularity), destroy the markets and the entire human race




Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:03 | 1457317 Overflow-admin
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+1 for Skynet

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:41 | 1457256 SheepDog-One
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Yea a lot of americans dont know it yet but theyre about to be 'changed' into the worlds new 3rd worlders...Sally Struthers is gonna be real busy.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:20 | 1458379 Ident 7777 economy
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Sorry .. I read that as 'busty' the first time thru ...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:42 | 1457260 InvalidID
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 Gens X and Y aren't going to come rushing in to save shit. Fuck the baby boomers and fuck this bullshit system. Gens X and Y will come in with pitch forks and kill the survivors, feast on the carcass, wave a few middle fingers and go about their merry way.


 Listen to an Emenem CD and ask what kinda revolution Gen X and Y is gonna have. It won't be pretty.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:46 | 1457275 SheepDog-One
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Those with pants around their ass and backward baseball caps are in charge of the next 'great american revolution'? I dont think so either.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:07 | 1457326 InvalidID
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Replace pants around ass with bell bottom burn out and back wards cap with long haired hippie and you'll sound just like the GI generation when hippies took over....

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:07 | 1457329 HungrySeagull
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Ain't happening. At least I can tell which ones are armed by the way they hold the pants.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:09 | 1457331 LFMayor
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+7.62  Those idiots would fuckup a one car funeral.  I want them no where in my sight.  Most will die when the gubmint stops feeding them and the checks stop...  the fucking withdrawal pains will have them all flopping and twisting in the streets once they exhaust all the gold spray paint.

No money, no reason to ship dope north to the gringoes.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:31 | 1457412 InvalidID
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Damn, how old are you guys? I thought I was falling outta touch but, just damn. You know that Emenem appeals to working class to middle class white kids right? No shit, those fellas over in Iraq and Afgahnistan right now are Emenem's demographic. It's a disconnect like this that lands us where we are.These kids like violence. It's not just rap, even listened to the music these guys listen to? Ever see what entertains these guys?

How many real Gen X and Y folks do you know? Have you paid attention to what appeals to this group. Ever watched a cage fight?


 You know what, never mind. Just remember this. The hippies were protesting, dodging the draft (not all, those that served get much respect from me) spitting on returning soldiers and calling them baby killers.

 Flash forward and X and Y signed up in record numbers... For 3 wars. 2 of those wars have gone on for 10 years and these guys still sign up. Sell em short if you want, but in my opinion that's what's wrong with this country. Boomers feel self important, better than everyone else, and can do no wrong.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:49 | 1457501 HungrySeagull
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I am way over the hill. I remember the disco days which really should be buried really deep.

My eyes were opened when I saw the neices and nephews carting the old 70's stuff back. After my weapons training, bad guys in my area took on more importance notice when I see the clothes, gang colors and the way it is worn along with the body language.

Normal people just wear what they wear sometimes tastefully and other times OMG get outof this walmart, you're a crime to humanity type clothes like a 400 pound wrinkle master in spandex for example.

I was quite something in my youth along with the other youth.

Facebook makes it quite easy for my youth to compare each other decades later if they are still alive. They are not much to look at.

While the youth of today take shots at the old ones saying their taxes pay for the social security or whatever. Not realizing that they were not even born for all the decades worked by the old ones.


I understand this. The young will fight the old.

If the old does not get fit, stay lean and mobile and savvy they will simply be as a bug wrapped by the spider in the web to be dinner at a later date.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:34 | 1457822 Bicycle Repairman
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" Listen to an Emenem CD and ask what kinda revolution Gen X and Y is gonna have. It won't be pretty."


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:40 | 1458397 hamurobby
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Hopefully for most, the life or death question will not be a quote from 8 mile.

Im surrounded by self centered self believing hypocritical bastards that deserve what they will get. (we were all the best generation)

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 01:55 | 1458532 InvalidID
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I'm just using him as an easy to identify example of the prevailing attitude.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:42 | 1457262 HL Shancken
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What a crock of shit.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:42 | 1457263 oldmanagain
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Those darn hippies.  They do it everytime.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:55 | 1457270 SheepDog-One
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Nothing holds with an 80 or 40 year 'cycle' today, hell during most of that timeline we didnt even have electricity, much less the internet. Now time is measured in nano second spans and what used to take a year to spread around now gets 2 million views in a day on youtube.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:44 | 1457272 janus
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you will have it, my Good Man!



You are special whosoever you are...but as coach always said, and this is wisdom: "Good, Better, Best; NEVER let it rest; till your good is better and your better is best."

The Revolution draweth nigh.

Your article calls for something's thunderstorming outside -- perfect climate for grand meditation.  I shall return.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:48 | 1457283 SheepDog-One
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Gen X, Gen Y, And Gen Kill only know how to text message and download rap.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:06 | 1457323 SoNH80
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... As read in U.S. News & World Report, I'm sure.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:06 | 1457324 outamyeffinway
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That's an idiotic assumption. I'm Gen X and it's just a different type of revolution.

A revolution of the mind in which I've been fighting very hard to bring people into the (g)fold. I've taught so many people personally about the money system, the Fed, silver & gold, etc, etc....

I don't appreciate what you say. I wear a belt, I hate rap, I read and speak well and can't stand coward ass baby boomers; had it all and squandered it and now bitch and whine like puking babies.

You're right about one thing, there may very well be a Gen War coming and the Baby boomers are scared shitless! As they should be.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:22 | 1457377 Shell Game
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This is the fucking shit TPTB want to see, all of us at each other's throats. Divided and conquered.  Aren't too many clean hands in any of the generations still living.

Lots of righteous wrath out there looking for a target.  But if the enemy is government bubble, worthless paper fiat and globalist control freaks - who do you turn on?  Each other?  Fucking bullshit.  The more of us who embrace the coming reality and vanquish the control freaks and perform commerce outside of fiat, the more likely we'll get through this.  Enough of the finger pointing and man up!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:58 | 1457553 MachoMan
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Until granny decides to cut her own social security and medicaid benefits, I'm pretty sure we're going to be at each others' throats...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 17:10 | 1457591 Shell Game
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Granny will have it taken, choice will be out of her hands.  Of course, the finger pointing will escalate to gun pointing, etc. and etc.  So, of course you are right..

Can't we all just get along?  ;)

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:36 | 1457827 Bicycle Repairman
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"You're right about one thing, there may very well be a Gen War coming and the Baby boomers are scared shitless! As they should be."

Keep working that meme, numbnuts.  Like your job much?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:08 | 1457335 InvalidID
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 And most of them are military trained. Oh shit! They've been fighting 3 fucking wars, some of them have known more war than peace... Oh Fuck!!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:35 | 1458209 janus
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reply to all, from Bob Dylan:

"...there are no truths outside the gates of Eden."

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:46 | 1457276 YesWeKahn
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Well stated Tyler! I didn't believe you until I watched a few Bernanke testmonies on Cspan.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:49 | 1457285 carbonmutant
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From Democracy to Debtocracy...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:49 | 1457287 PsefTikos
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I am a proud, angst-ridden member of GenX!

Those who failed to learn the lessons of the past will be condemned to repeat them....

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 15:59 | 1457307 Bolweevil
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Some self-proclaimed hippies who were woefully under prepared were encountered on a trip (literally) one night in Yosemite on the trail next to Vernal Falls. They took it upon themselves to explain to me the dire state of the environment and revealed that my generation (X) was the last with any hope to stem the tide. I feel like this is another of those lectures from a disenfranchised, demoralized person who is passing the buck after watching the fall of Rome while cascading through the 60's (LSD) 70's (H) 80's (coke) 90's (prescriptions "they're from my Dr.") and has sobered up enough to realize there's something wrong? Take some fucking responsibility for your contribution to this mess. None of us are squeaky clean by fact of ignorance, programming or complacency, but many of us are moving to create a better place (peacefully of course). If I am wrong Mr. Smith my apologies. You do have a popular blog and are therefore part of the solution by taking action through expressing yourself and educating the masses. /rant

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:07 | 1457332 SoNH80
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As another proud Gen X'er, I can still appreciate a good Baby Boomer tune, aka, certain Rolling Stones' "Ti-i-i-i-me is on my side, yes it is...."  But then again, as long as the Ivy League is cranking out the lil' sociopaths, the natural cycle of life might not quite bring the needed fresh air....

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:12 | 1457340 outamyeffinway
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That's what I'm talking about!!! Fuck heads. Hypocrite fukkers!

Personally though I absolve CHS, he's fighting to educate as hard as anyone.

I don't think the baby boomers understand how much Gen X grasps the situation at hand and how PISSED we are!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:37 | 1457832 Bicycle Repairman
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"I don't think the baby boomers understand how much Gen X grasps the situation at hand and how PISSED we are!"

LOL.  Blow me.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:58 | 1457889 Bolweevil
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Let it out man. Did effinway hit a nerve? Blow me is hardly a response. Are you tapping out?

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:58 | 1460022 fallout11
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Bicycle has yet to post something coherent on ZH. Pay him no mind.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:00 | 1457310 JLee2027
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 a restoration of self-rule and the real, non-financialized economy.

Amen to that.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:01 | 1457313 Hacksaw
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I guess, my party is better than your party, isn't good enough for Charles. He has to pull out the old tired greedy, self absorbed boomers BS. Hey, Charles, how about writing something that doesn't depend on stereo types. Yep that's the ticket isn't it Charles? Don't fight the insanely rich, financial services industry, and international corporations, fight your grand ma, parents, and children instead. What a joke.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:46 | 1457491 Deepskyy
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stereotypes is one word you twat, and CHS makes a damn good point.  The Boomer generation has failed to relinquish their hold on the country, demanding more and more as they go along, while managing to saddle the coming 4 or more generations with a debt that will cripple them.  So much for the vaunted "American Dream." 

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:52 | 1457523 NotApplicable
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He really seems to like the divide and conquer world of abstract age-based class warfare.

Probably because there are too many individuals to address otherwise.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:39 | 1457840 Bicycle Repairman
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" He has to pull out the old tired greedy, self absorbed boomers BS. Hey, Charles, how about writing something that doesn't depend on stereo types."

Charlie is getting paid to promote generational warfare.  The elite have fucked it all up and need distraction and a scapegoat.  Fuck Charlie.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:07 | 1457327 lasvegaspersona
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Enough Boomer bashing!!! We paid our bloated FICA taxes to ensure that our parents, who had not paid in much, could retire with dignity. Yes we deserve our share of the overall blame for not being good watch dog citizens but blaming boomers????? What...we paid in and now most of us will be as screwed as the does that deserve an increased share of the blame? I'm still paying in even though I do not expect to collect. I'd opt out now if I could...walk away from a lifetime of paying in...just to be left alone and to my own devises. Want to blame someone? Fine, pick a politician, a leader who lied or was just stupid BUT...just think about the nonsense of blaming an entire easily identified statistic of population demographics. You are probably in one of those too.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:14 | 1457345 outamyeffinway
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You paid but didn't do the math on the Ponzi because you were hoping to "get yours" before the Ponzi crashed. Come on now!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:57 | 1457544 lasvegaspersona
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I did do the math and would have opted out at any time because the math never worked for me. 

I don't need yours to get mine. I have worked since I was a caddy at age 13. Have not stopped. Just want to be left alone and never wanted to be a part of anyone's solution.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:59 | 1457555 lasvegaspersona
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I did do the math and it never worked for me. 

I do not need yours to have mine. I have worked since I was a caddy at age 13. I just wanted to be left alone and I never wanted to be a part of some one's solution.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:17 | 1457355 InvalidID
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Cause boomers spent more than they paid in? Cause the country went to fuck on your watch? Cause you are handing off a worse country that you received? Because of the 70's and 80's. Definitely you all fucked up the 70's and 80's. Mostly beause you created Disco music.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:27 | 1457399 outamyeffinway
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Right, these assholes. And by the way fuknutz, I don't personally know a single Gen X'er that listens to rap.

But let's take a look at the top 40 drug songs of the boomer era, shall we? Granted some are too modern for you to take credit for:

1. Jefferson Airplane: "White Rabbit" (RCA, 1967)*
2. The Beatles: "Tomorrow Never Knows" (Parlophone, 1966)**
3. The Velvet Underground: "Heroin" (Verve, 1967)**
4. Rolling Stones: "Sister Morphine" (Rolling Stones, 1971)**
5. The Small Faces: "Here Comes the Nice" (Immediate, 1967)*
6. Grandmaster & Melle Mel: "White Lines (Don't Don't Do It)" (Sugarhill, 1983)*
7. Dillinger: "Cokane in My Brain" (Channel One, 1976)*
8. Love: "Signed D.C." (Elektra, 1966)**
9. Primal Scream: "Higher Than the Sun" (Creation, 1991)*
10. Plastic Ono Band: "Cold Turkey" (Apple, 1969)*
11. Neil Young: "The Needle and the Damage Done" (Reprise, 1972)**
12. Harry "the Hipster" Gibson: "Who Put the Benzedrine in Mrs. Murphy's Ovaltine?" (Musicraft, 1944)*
13. The Byrds: "Eight Miles High" (CBS, 1966)*
14. Fats Waller: "The Reefer Song" (V-Disc, 1943)*
15. Bob Dylan: "Rainy Day Women no. 12 & 35" (CBS, 1966)*
16. Ry Cooder/Buffy Sainte-Marie: "The Hashishin" (Warner Bros., 1970)**
17. Ramones: "Carbona Not Glue" (Sire, 1977)**
18. The Amboy Dukes: "Journey to the Center of the Mind" (Mainstream, 1968)*
19. Curtis Mayfield: "Pusherman" (Curtom, 1972)**
20. The Smoke: "My Friend Jack" (Columbia, 1967)*

? M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 3 December 2002 06:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

21. Electric Prunes: "I Had Too Much to Dream (Last Night)" (Reprise, 1966)*
22. The Charlatans: "Codine Blues" (Big Beat, rec. 1966/rel. 1996)**
23. Country Joe & the Fish: "Section 43" (Rag Baby, 1966) [EP]
24. The Beatles: "Got to Get You Into My Life" (Parlophone, 1966)**
25. The Grateful Dead: "Dark Star" (Warner Bros., 1969)** [Live/Dead version]
26. John Prine: "Sam Stone" (Atlantic, 1971)**
27. The Velvet Underground: "I'm Waiting for the Man" (Verve, 1967)*
28. The Byrds: "Artificial Energy" (CBS, 1968)**
29. The Temptations: "Cloud Nine" (Motown, 1968)*
30. Lemonheads: "My Drug Buddy" (Atlantic, 1992)**
31. The Beatles: "Rain" (Parlophone, 1966)*
32. THe Heartbreakers: "Chinese Rocks" (Track, 1977)*
33. David Peel & the Lower East Side: "I Like Marijuana" (Elektra, 1968)**
34. Rodriguez: "Sugarman" (Sussex, 1970)**
35. The Jimi Hendrix Experience: "Purple Haze" (Track, 1967)*
36. Oasis: "Morning Glory" (Creation, 1995)**
37. Arlo Guthrie: "Coming into Los Angeles" (Reprise, 1969)**
38. David Essex: "Rock on" (CBS, 1973)*
39. Tim Hardin: "Red Balloon" (Verve-Forecast, 1967)**
40. Happy Mondays: "Do It Better" (Factory, 1988)**

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:38 | 1457446 jowenchrist
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How could you omit " I smoke 2 joints" -  bob marley - too stoned to remember the year - all apologies.  

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:51 | 1457519 carbonmutant
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Subterranean Homesick Blues - Bob Dylan

"The pumps don't work cause the vandels took the handles..."

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 17:16 | 1457616 lasvegaspersona
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OK lets try this....we take the blame for Clinton and Bush, you youngsters get the credit when to whole thing comes crashing down and you and your Obama are historically linked forever.

I actually do not believe that. I believe we are merely witness to the natural death of a currency. Fiat currencies just die. "It's just as natural as the weather in these moody skies today" (thanks Joni)

Want to blame someome? Blame the Jekyll Island crew and then  human nature. If you really want insight read FOFOA. He has observations that equals any I've seen to explain what we are seeing. I am just prepping and watching because this train is a runaway and no action will prevent its forward motion. It will crash just get out of the way....and blame someone of course....

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 19:37 | 1457973 InvalidID
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 Hey, don't try to pawn Obama off on us. Fuck that.

1) The Boomer generation and Gens x and y voted for Obama in the same percentages.

2) The Boomer Generation is the largest voting block and is therefore still in charge.

3) Obama is a Boomer. Oh yes indeed. Obama was born on Aug 4, 1961and Boomers were born between 1946 and 1964.

 He's yours and you can keep him.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:10 | 1457338 American Sucker
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CHS seems really profound the first time you read him.  After you read him for a few weeks, you realize it's just recycled cliches and buzzwords: Savior State, Fourth Turning, Gen X, blah blah blah.  He's the Tom Friedman of doomers.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:20 | 1457365 AnAnonymous
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You could have at least chosen a handle suiting your clearsightedness...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:35 | 1457427 jowenchrist
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Tuco is a damn fine name , IMHO;  but what the hell has happened to this site?  Holy Shit Batturd.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:26 | 1457393 Tuco Benedicto ...
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How about blaming the 1000 or so demon elites who control the system worldwide and the lackeys that have been bought off and work for them?  These lackeys cover all generations and number in the millions.


Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:42 | 1457848 Bicycle Repairman
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Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:24 | 1458385 Ident 7777 economy
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by Tuco Benedicto ...  on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:26 #1457393 

How about blaming the 1000 or so demon elites who ...

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  Right ... Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Jack Blood ...



Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:31 | 1457413 flattrader
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don't forget "We're All to Blame"..."Kleptocracy"....etc....

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:18 | 1457358 adr
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Gen X is going to inherit the debt bomb and needs to figure out what to do with 250 million people who will be dependent on a US government handout to walk down the street. Much of Gen X is just as corrupt or even more so than the boomers since they are at least one generation removed from any type of morality and at least had the ability to hold a high paying job for a while. Guess who wrote all the algos tearing the financial system apart.

Gen Y is just plain screwed as they came of age during the decade of total kleptocracy and even with an Ivy League education the best they can do is becoming a barista at Starbuck's.

The next generation will totally resemble Idiocracy since less than 20% of them can solve even the simplest math problems. The motto will be "Those who learn of the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them" and history will no longer be taught at all. Nearly the entire generation will be killed off when one of them decides the coolest thing to do in the world is to jump in a pit of fire.

If we somehow manage to live as a society for the next 30 years, when my son is my age he will be outnumbered at least 4:1 by packs of grown up welfare babies born from the new US Government sponsored baby boom. Inner cities will resemble the worst horror movies as the welfare babies resort to cannibalism once the government spigot is turned off.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:30 | 1457410 LFMayor
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Gen Y is boned because they got the first full bore doses of Political Correctness.   That's a hell of a handicap to overcome.

I wouldn't count on the survival rate for those babies staying at the unseasonably high levels it is now.  A die off is coming.  Women and children hardest hit, and all that shit.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:19 | 1457364 ian807
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The funny thing about the boomer rants is the complete and utter lack of acknowledgment that boomers essentially built the modern world and bequeathed it, gratis, on subsequent generations. Boomers invented the internet, built a significant amount of the county's infrastructure and paid for the college educations of the X, Y and Zero generations. Boomers protested. Boomers created gigantic businesses and industries (Used an iPhone lately? Steve Jobs is a boomer).

Boomers did things. When a gen-z invents an answer to the energy crisis in a garage, I'll start taking their complaints seriously.

But now? In a country that has more ambient public wealth and an easier life than any in history, subsequent generations are complaining because it might not be quite as good for them as it was for their parents? Well, heavens! Cry me a few more crocodile tears and get me a violin.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:23 | 1457382 AnAnonymous
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So by your own words, boomers have consumed a lot in an unsustainable way to produce stuff like Iphone or the Internet and now it is up to the next generations to find ways to sustain the unsustainable by solving the energy/matter crisis boomers have engineered.

Can you spell US citizens? 'cause wishing for someone else to clean up the mess you've laid around is US citizenish...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:34 | 1457420 outamyeffinway
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You're so full of shit. Most everything modern was developed by the military for either control or rapid military deployment. Primarily the internet and roads. Nice try.

Boomers did things alright. They consumed like there was no tomorrow with wreckless abandon.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:44 | 1457853 Bicycle Repairman
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Who were the boomers children, numbnuts.  Think that some of the consumption was for them?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:32 | 1458392 Ident 7777 economy
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by outamyeffinway  on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:34 #1457420 

You're so full of shit. Most everything modern was developed by the military for either control or rapid military deployment. Primarily the internet and roads. Nice try.

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Uhhh ... no.

Integrated circuit (upon which computer chips are based): Jack Kilby at TI

The microprocessor: Ted Hoff at Intel Corp. (also credit Robert Noyce and Gordon Moore)

The PC: That would be IBM and they did it for office applications ...

Networking in various forms has been around a lot longer than DARPA too.



Fri, 07/15/2011 - 03:17 | 1458582 InvalidID
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Uh yes. The computer didn't always run on integrated circuits. They once ran on vacuum tubes... Look it up, the internet WAS developed before DARPA...look into ARPA. The whole project started after we connected our national radar system. Really interesting stuff.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 03:14 | 1458567 InvalidID
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 This post is pure bullshit. Boomers bequeathed what?

You didn't invent the internet Look up JCR Licklider Born 1915. Also Ivan Sutherland Born 1938. Most importantly look up Lawrence Roberts born in 1937. Not a one of them was a boomer and they invented the internet.

 Boomers didn't build a significant amount of the nations infrastructure either. I'm calling bullshit again. The G.I. Generation built the bulk of the US infrastructure. From the Hoover dam to the Eisenhower interstate system. 

As a matter of fact, not only was this bequeathed to you, but you've failed to maintain it. The infrastructure  that your daddy built is failing because you shit stains couldn't be bothered to take care of.

 Boomers protested what? The Vietnam war? Congrats you fucking hypocrites. Protested the war, then send us off to die in 3 wars and numerous police actions or kinetic military actions or what ever you're calling em these days. What the fuck...

 Maybe you meant the civil right movement? Of course you can't take credit for that either as it was begun before you guys were old enough to be a part of it. You get partial credit, and not much considering how bad you fucked that up to. Took civil rights and turned it into Political correctness. Passed retarded hate crime legislation... Fan-fucking-tastic job.

You paid for our college education? Spectacular, I'll mail you my student loan bill. Which by the way, costs more now (in real terms) than when you went.

 You created mega corps and you're taking this like it's special? You moved all the jobs to fucking China, then let Mexicans come in and take what was left. All so you could line your pockets at the expense of your own children. Well damn pop, thanks for the Iphone, sure will come in handy when I'm looking for the fucking bread lines. Hope there's an app for that....

 You don't mention it but I'd also like to thank you for deciding that children need to be drugged. It's a lot of work raising children and when both parents are working there simply isn't time to teach kids how to behave. Better to say he has a disorder if he's having trouble paying attention, or acting like a CHILD. Little Timmy runs around and jumps on things? Ritalin! Little Jonny is causing a fit when mommy leaves for work? Prozac! Jane is angry because noone pays attention at home and mommy and daddy fight too much? Zoloft! Because hey, you did tons of dope when you were young and look how great you turned out, right?

 Some of the best medical advances weren't for the kids though. I'm quite partial to the ads I see on TV. Have rosacea? Don't despair, we've created a pill. Never mind that it gives you cancer, stroke, heart disease or mutant alian beings will climb out of your ass and eat all your cookies. You'll look good!

 Or the pill that personifies your whole fucking generation. Viagra. Never mind curing cancer doc, I'm to fucking fat and diabetic from this piss poor food we've been pushing to get a hard on. Make a pill to fix it. A monument to the self centered, pleasure me generation.

 Boomers did things alright. They fucked up everything they touched, and ran up a big fat fucking bill doing it. And now you look to us and say the same thing you said to your parents. I need more....

 14 trillion in the hole and you cock suckers cry that you paid in to the system. Never mind that you've been the fucking system for 20-30 years. Never mind that you are the system now, and are STILL fucking it up. I don't get it, you see it's fucked up, you know what you've been doing all along isn't working... Yet you keep doing it, and tell us to quit crying about it? Fuck you.

But now? In a country that has more ambient public wealth and an easier life than any in history, subsequent generations are complaining because it might not be quite as good for them as it was for their parents? Well, heavens! Cry me a few more crocodile tears and get me a violin.

 Are you fucking kidding me? Do you understand what you've done? Life might not be quite as good? Do you know how long it will take to pay off the debt you've run up? Meanwhile we have to fix the infrastructure you've ignored, deal with the mess you've made around the globe, and do it handicapped. Because you've stripped our manufacturing abilities and sold it off piecemeal.

All because after America hit it's peak oil production (because you fucking hippies don't want to hurt a nematode or fish or some shit) you couldn't scale back YOUR lifestyle. You stole your grand kids future so you could have more shiney things and another line of blow....


 Fuck you.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 04:27 | 1458603 Escapeclaws
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+1 for good clear writing. However this blaming of generations strikes me as childish. Who exactly are you ranting at? You remind me of the hippies who used to say, "Never trust anyone over 30." I am a boomer who failed to participate in boomer culture.  The real problem with these generational cultures is the forced conformity. I hated conformity and refused to participate in the culture. I still hate conformity. Are you a conformist? Do you take your marching orders from your own generation? Are your tastes dictated to you by your peers? From my small experience, these cultural norms are just a form of conformity--such is our human need to be accepted by our peers, we will drink our own piss if that's what it takes. So bully for you, your cultural norms are different from boomer norms, but I suspect you conform like a nazi to the orders meted out by your own generational Fuehrur.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:37 | 1459571 InvalidID
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 I'm ranting against a generation of pure greed. Boomers cry about being grouped together, caught in a wide net... Who started measuring things by generation? That is another boomer thing. We work with the tools we have I suppose.

I'm ranting against all this of your generation that sold out. That look at the generation ahead of them and tell us to suck it up, all the while robbing me and my kids of our futures. I am guilty of casting too wide a net, but in covering such a large group, some people that don't deserve it will be swept up. I'm sorry.

I'm happy to be able to report that I am not, nor have ever been a conformist. Not a conformist through non-conformity even, which somehow became so popular for awhile.

I'd also like to point out that American culture (and as far as I can tell European) is much more openly diverse than it was in the 60's and 70's. What is mainstream today is very transitory, measured mostly by how much money is being spent on trends of the moment.


 PS the writing could have been better, but it was late and I was

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:41 | 1457435 Mad Cow
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Stampedes are dangerous, steer clear. Moooooooooooo

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:46 | 1457487 outamyeffinway
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I agree with the poster above about the demon elites.

We really are all in this together and our greatest challenge will be Peak Oil.

And for the record of course the baby boomers contributed to society, I wouldn't just categorically take that away. I'm just mad like we all are.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:58 | 1457552 LFMayor
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we're going to hit peak cooking oil long before we get to peak oil.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:53 | 1457530 donethat
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Just finished reading Albert Brookes' 2030.

Didn't know whether to laugh or cry half the time.

Coming to a theatre near you?


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 16:56 | 1457532 donethat
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Double post, sorry. 

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 17:27 | 1457551 wisefool
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Tax Code. Federal, State, Local.

I am pretty sure this "secular" values system (encouraging debt, selective redistribution of wealth, writing off charitable expenses to your pets, capitol gains on McMansions, etc) has been crafted as the Boomer generation lost and/or rejected the religion their parents raised them in. So again, as boomers lost their religion and gained wealth, they imposed values that matched that realignment.

The next generation X/Y will do the exact same thing. They will reject and tear down the psudoe religion the boomer generation and their politicians built. For example, it is pretty insincere for the Boomer generation, (a.k.a the divorce generation) to deny or advocate marriage/household benefits right along party lines.

Corps are great, but should G.E and News Corp get tax transfer payments from some GenY schlub who makes $75k a year? just cause Fox News runs adverts for the AARP set?

EDIT: Forgot to include things the next generation is going to do/are doing like:

- legalizing marijuana and taxing the hell out of it, (as all luxuries should be.)

- ... Add your own here youngsters, I dont want to speak for you all

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 17:37 | 1457698 gwar5
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Wilson and FDR really did a good job of caving in to the people and screwing things up.

Those two allowed the greedy Civil War Boomers and the greedy Flapper Generation to put one over on the rest of us with the Federal Reserve Act, Social Security and greatly expanding the Commerce Clause.

The banks and the government are powerless when it comes to the people, they hate all the deficit spending and discourage it.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 19:31 | 1457753 caerus
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Kondratiev Wave bitchez! Have a drink, enjoy the show!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:13 | 1457765 Lord Koos
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Instigating inter-generational scapegoating and blame is all too easy but is just more divisive bullshit...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:15 | 1457772 caerus
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nihil sub sole novum

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:32 | 1457815 Bicycle Repairman
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"the "leadership"--mostly self-glorifying. grossly incompetent, self-absorbed, greedy Baby Boomers"

Blow me.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:53 | 1457878 kevinearick
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Constitution Motive/Intent

So, we have reached critical mass, and the greedy, ignorant, jealous, and false pious seek to define motive/intent from their own frame of reference, which is a complete contrivance. Yes, I am the guy that is cornering Caesar on Family Law for you, not because I am in any way special, but because I just happen to have remained a random event, surfing the event horizon, and shaping it in the process, for the entire female half-cycle of the economy you see before you.

From the beginning, I was the ring boy at the wedding, the usher at the funeral, the changer at the diaper station, for a big family in Ohio, which was still the bread basket of the world at the time, from which 8 presidents mounted their campaigns. There is nothing women say to each other in private that I have not heard.

My father was a maintenance man for the pacific fleet, a curious fellow that ran in circles with admirals, mayors, and senators (with a police escort home when he drank too much), who viewed him as a lucky charm, although he designed, built, and maintained radio stations all by himself in the 50s and 60s, when radio experienced exponential growth in the Midwest.

When there was a big problem, these folks would end up in the Grant Grill to discuss it, where my dad sat at the bar, with me, the observer of 7 children. One by one, they would sit next to my father and have some inconsequential conversation, but within that context he would solve part of the problem for each of them with an apparently unrelated analogy, because he just loved to solve problems. The bartenders, who were frequently treated poorly by the four horsemen, loved the sh**show, so dad had a tab to infinity, and what is not to love about a kid sitting at the bar with his dad, watching the same sh**show and entertaining the bartenders with stories about women.

Naturally, when the admirals saw the son of their good luck charm resurfacing the bowling allies at night, cleaning the hospital rooms in the morning, and playing pool with the amputees coming back from Vietnam in the afternoon, they invited him up to the balcony and told him their stories. Likewise, the kid solved parts of their problems with apparently unrelated analogies, and naturally they gave him complete access to the resources under their command, which operated under rules beyond the law accustomed to others.

Later, as an off-the-book consultant, I was there when the information economy was enabled, when the service economy was enabled, and when the financial services economy was enabled, providing solutions to university expansion, regionalization, and best business practices, for the political resistors to change that wanted to survive, in return for an imbedded pathway for resistors to the resistors.

From the perspective of the nucleus out, family law, which leverages the battle of the sexes, is the primary gear in the divide and conquer, algebraic reduction system, division by 2. Funny, not ironically, it’s a prime number (the resistors to resistors can also divide by 0, but only on the event horizon, and only if the integral productively shapes the horizon, which may be perceived from either direction, beginning or end).

Normally, within a relatively stable social structure of increasing division, the polarity of family law is switched within maximum misdirection. When the viral nature of the resulting black hole becomes transparent, however, when the planet will no longer provide easily exploited resources under the regime, backlash is ignited, the lies/laws pop off the stack, and the dependent middle class is wiped out, leaving the nucleus naked, with no resource but to implode, because it will refuse to give up its “secret” to the very end, ensuring destruction and renewal.

I am the product of two divorces, by women who wanted to be the sun by controlling my output, taught to do so in Caesar’s do-what-I-say-not-what-I-do economy. Nothing anyone says or does can change my course, because I am the product of the gap between light and dark. What little I know is that I work for the planet, which ultimately works for the universe, and, next year, the universe is going to measure the body of my work, along with that of everyone else, not Caesar.

No matter what Caesar’s minions do at this point, cut off my head, accuse me of being a wife beater and child molester, or drop my credit rating to 0, Caesar will have no bearing on the outcome, because I sought God with an increasingly open mind for the length of my life. The nucleus is along for the ride, in return for past investments, in case gravity is required. Gravity is a hedge. Don’t hedge against the future and expect a satisfactory result from a location in the middle class.

The electrons must choose to fall into orbit and create the necessary bonds to open the NPV window for Caesar to come along. There is no shortage of gravity in the universe. I have already brought up an electron from the lowest orbit on Tobacco Road for a partner in the work.

When I went through the Lost Coast, in a town so nasty that 90% remained addicted and another 9.9% only got out on the promise of addiction, a neutron at the lowest end of the middle class, lulled into believing she could be “elevated” to the nucleus by serving the church to attract mama’s boys from a homeless shelter, identified me as different and made it her purpose in life to contain me in that town. The farther away I get, the more elaborate her contrived schemes become, because she cannot see that the future passes through the event horizon and she is addicted to the crutches provided by the only economy she has ever known.

Roosevelt was a mama’s boy, bullying others for the attention of men born to become boys that would refuse to give up their toys. The economic explosion of the 50s resulted when they failed. I am the product of bigger and bigger bullies. Watch out when the electron suddenly chooses to be observed, on a platform built for the occasion. We are born to be shaped, to shape and give birth. The only difference among us is where we fall into the distribution relative to the event horizon, and the free will we employ to catch it.

I’ve been on over 1,000 jobs, most as a ramrod. I know what tools others have the instant they open their mouths, from the very first syllable, because tools are a function of travel in proximity to the event horizon, not stories about their affect told in a classroom, by those similarly bred, to believe in mythology. If interest on interest on interest is 0, and the real cost falls on the back of children…

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 19:14 | 1457920 Bolweevil
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Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:24 | 1458386 gall batter
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so, let's cut through the wonderful writing to the chase:  are you a wife beater and a child molester? just askin'.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 16:53 | 1460908 kevinearick
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the picture says it all.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 04:43 | 1458610 Escapeclaws
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What is it about the intellectual pretensions of lawyers? They all seem like failed would be college professors. So someone who is too lazy to learn a scientific or engineering discipline but always got high scores on standardized tests, particularly on the verbal section of the SAT is faced with the problem of choosing a career and these types tend to go into law, particularly if they also love money. But then, they can never quite lay aside their desire to appear educated, which is often motivated by a diffuse interest that could be compared to a dim light bulb or the muscular strength required to move one toe independently of the others. Such people often gravitate to politics as well. But like everyone else with intellectual pretensions, they have physics envy and like to read popular accounts of black holes and quantum mechanics. They then pepper their discourse with the verbal detritus of that reading, left behind like half eaten chicken wings on a plate at Buffalo Grill. "Event horizon" is especially popular.

So here's a suggestion: Get over yourself, become humble, and study some real physics. Please forgive this arrogant reply, but your kind of writing is largely impenetrable and occurs frequently at ZH.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:48 | 1459674 InvalidID
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 +4.0 at MIT

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 16:44 | 1460881 kevinearick
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conclusion: impenetrable is your counter-argument?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 19:19 | 1457912 Reptil
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Their only goal is to not be the one blamed when the whole corrupt contraption finally collapses under its own weight.

Excellent observation! Destroying a system which was build after the second world war with coöperation under the promise of a fair, democratic, balanced society, where work and intelligence would be rewarded, is nothing short of a crime. After the crime there's the coverup. The crime itself has a (measurable) impact on society. But it's the reaction that is ALL DECIDING!

The biggest challenge facing mankind is not energy, climate change or even food. It is in my opinion the decades of intoxicating, addictive propaganda, that everything is alright, if one just adheres to the general consensus resulting in lethargism. Often called "drinking the kool-aid" ;-). Human beings have individualistic traits as well as a herd mentality. We can be slaves as well as conquerers. That herd mentality has been used, abused by those that behave like predators, as long as there's been civilization, but there is more to it. Right now, we're being coerced into one specific direction. The corruption of our financial systems is our Achilles heel. Enough has been written to make this crystal clear.

What bothers me: I am not quite sure what destination this direction leads to.

Maybe you can help me? I'm writing down some of my thoughts, and I hope someone comes along, shoots holes in it, and can put some things into focus. Reading your comments, most articles here (including the above), I see some ideas I had, reflected. Others I can't see. Most stem from the idea that competition is healthy and repression and corruption is not. These are ethical considerations of those (me included) who don't mind "destroying" competition in a free market (one gains one loses, but the game goes on). I.o.w. I believe each and every poster here can be quite ruthless, but (I guess) most here have a limit, a boundary before which psychopathic ideas will not take root. I see this ethical consideration, now the end of this cycle is in sight (for those that actually look up from their muddy feet) more and more everywhere.

What I do know is that the place we came from, a biotope that has sustained us, as a species, that allowed us to develop some rudimentary intelligence, has been destroyed for a good part, and is now being replaced by something very different: A world, a collection of environments that are hostile to our being. Age old companions like bacteria, and viruses (viri heh) are being changed, so they have become more lethal, more agressive. These serve a purpose, but we are not really included in the equation. Our food is being changed, worldwide into something that contains and secretes poision. Our energy on which we so depend, are made up of timebombs, and create toxic substances that are spread out over our planet. Our communication systems, transport and tools are throwaway crap devices that are very vulnerable to something as common (naturally occurring every century or so) as planetary electromagnetic discharges, or localized artificial ones. I.o.w. through our dependency, we're always one step away from being totally helpless. The prime resources of our cumulative efforts are put into development of sophisticated surveilance systems, and to develop novel and interesting ways to destroy our fellow man (and ourselves in the process). We're like infants that find our cradle filled with rat poision, rohypnol and some dirty needles. What are we supposed to do with this?  This is not constructive! It's a setup for failure.

As for the financial structures, that now resemble some of old, but are in essence something very different: We are losing the war and we can't even see it. I do NOT believe in incompetence; the inability to counter corruption, being the cause of the fact that we are on this path. Of course things go wrong, they always do. But why now, why this? Also I don't see corruption as the governing reason. Those that are in control of vast amounts of money and power are beyond corruption as a goal. They have plans. I see the whole concoction of the "war on the people by the banks" as nothing more as a means to an end. Money is a vehicle and so is our financial system. As said; it is not a goal in itself. It can represent a way to enslave us, since we accept it, fairly universally now, as much as it is the means to put order in our chaos, of our material existence.

The key in all this change is IMO inside the push one form of technology. The means to deliver this are age old systems of crony capitalism, which stems from greed; the evil twin of desire. A very normal and healthy emotion. The more I read Zero Hedge and (a bunch of) other sources, and collections of free thought, and intelligent critical communications, the more I realize that my growing suspicion, which began in the mid nineties as a subconscious feeling of impending darkness, has been materialised. The reaction of our leaders both in Japan as elsewhere, after Fukushima is the obvious mark in time as far as I'm concerned. The reaction in the form of duping a whole nation in staying put next to a reactor belching radioactivity for the next decade, without anything resembling a survival strategy is beyond the lust for power. It's beyond war. It's unnatural. Not even the Soviets, with their total disregard for individualism, and their system, rusty and faulty as it was, geared for preservation of "the collective", could muster such genocidal plans. We're being led off a cliff. Our immoral brethren, useful idiots and fellow sheeple just as much as we ourselves. We (middle age men, smart enough to be better off even in this coming collapse of the economy) are no better off afterwards. Until the realisation of the devastating reality that we will not be around in (guessing) 40 years, as a species, if we continue down this particular road, not even a core of elite, NO ONE, changes into unification and action, we're fucked.

And yet, in my personal dealings with people, who know there's something amiss, but accept it as "part of life", I notice the will to change, the strength to put themselves and their kin at considerable risk, if this is in the betterment of the group. This is the other side of humanity. A side which not often is discussed here. (This is not critique of some kind, just observation.) Subconsciously (I'm not a psychologist, or psychiatrist though I dated one for 10 years LOL) they feel what I started to feel 15 years or so ago, but can't or won't put their finger on it. I actually think that people will behave the way you treat them, and that what is often referred to as "the masses" are made up of people with some intelligence, even if it is social intelligence.

What matters to me is that there is a realisation of our strenght, as a species, and that the coming change actually may be a "gift from heaven". I see that idea take hold in the mind of some people. But not enough yet. What is lacking is direction. I think this comes after finding out that this cycle is done. (Not everyone can or wants to see that.) I'm considering those that can, and do. The key IMO is (somewhere) in culture, and communication. Being "against something" is not constructive, or even a serious threat to those that have something different than this empowerment of the individual, and resulting instinctive group directive for survival in mind (often called TPTB). I.o.w. the Guy Fawkes mask fits us all.. We do not obey. So much is clear. But if we want to win, we need to realise the "we" and come up with an alternative. Having a vegetable garden in your backyard, and guns, a hacked satellite connection, a bag of silver and cans of beans is not enough. Not in the longer run. There'll be UAVs spraying corexit, or glyphosate overhead. Boom headshot. It's a losing strategy. We actually right now have a chance to do something, that can shift the course, after a collapse, not so much. Right now TPTB depend still on the coöperation of the masses. The sheer numbers can turn direction, and trample the structures that the order depend on right now, like a herd of Bison. But, this is destructive. I want something constructive. I've looked at all those Zeitgeist presentations. There is some truth in there. But the desired end result too constrictive for me. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think a model based on individual freedom has more merit. This feels natural to me. I actually believe in the "good of men", since we've come this far, without butchering or nuking each other all. Compare it to a car or a bike: If you have speed, some kinetic energy, you can make a turn, but after slowing down or after hitting a wall, not so much. This is a PIVOTAL moment. NOTHING is as it seemed to be. I need clarity!

I'd be very interested to hear some of your ideas. I know this might be too utopian, but that's what I have on my mind, at this moment.


Then, perhaps this will amuse you as much as it did me. For fun, I'm throwing something weird at you guys.

I have no reputation to lose, so here goes: I stumbled on an old recording of a presentation by a guy called Martyn Stubbs. He intercepted and taped some Nasa live streams, and found something interesting on those. Pure chance of having the right person, at exactly the right moment, in the right place, with the right equipment, and attitude. His find also fits right into the history of the past 40 years, it is controversial, and part of the end of this cycle, another realisation. Watch it, with a glass of wine, or beer, or a smoke, (as I'm doing now) as entertainment, that's the best way I think. To get your mind off things and from zigzag lines and spreadsheets on my screens, depicting my wealth (or lack thereof ;-), without DISTRACTING from the truth. Perhaps this is the key answer, perhaps it's just another symptome of above disease that plagues mankind? Excuse me for the poor quality, it can't be helped. Do not let the word "paranormal" in the intro distract you. It's as paranormal as a glass of water IMO. To me it's a puzzle but with the pieces in another unkown language. And yes, Nasa, and spaceflight does gobble up a HUGE part of the world's finances. In most of the past since the second world war, even before, this was "the future of mankind". Now, with Obama's guys in office, suddenly, it all goes hush hush. The budget remains, so do the black budgets, and who controls the planet's atmosphere, controls the sky. So, there is importance in their role.

What is on these tapes is undoubtedly real, and it's true nature is being hidden. Why is that? What is going on here? Is this the key? I.o.w.: WTF???!!??!
Let me know ok?


Fri, 07/15/2011 - 02:22 | 1458551 New World Chaos
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Thanks for that link, will check it out later.  I think the time is ripe for the Watchers to be revealed.  The ultimate black swan.  Would start a spiritual awakening and a new space race / tech race between China and a reinvigorated America.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 06:31 | 1458704 Reptil
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It's an older video (but a good one). If you have some interest I'm sure you've seen the other one this guy made. This is simular but slightly different. I like his approach, he's been curious, and careful. No mistake was made. The validity is beyond question: The watchers of the watchers, on tape. The issue of disclosure had some gravity, but the (obvious) reality will be buried (again): At least, they'll try. Infiltration of groups of people that were serious about it in the nineties has obviously taken place. To what purpose this all is, I have some ideas, but am not certain. Superior technology is an obvious issue. It's shrouded in secrecy. I think it's part of the bigger picture, not just something on the side. I find it amusing and interesting. I'm taking a lighthearted approach. Reality may be more serious.

A new space race already has commenced. India trying to walk alongside western and chinese efforts. Not always succeeding. Nasa going back to its militairy roots and dumping the facade of civilillian manned spaceflight is another indication it's heating up. This too is IMO a cycle. It has nearly come full circle.

There are huge developments in practical applications of quantum technology. Lightning is a source of anti-matter, fusion is the next obvious step in energy technology. All of this points to a future wider implementation of these new technologies, radically different from the present. Who will take part? And why?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 19:25 | 1457952 janus
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I'm gonna fight em' all/

a seven-nation army couldn't hold me back/

they're gonna rip it off/

takin their time right behind my back/

and I'm talkin to myself at night because I can't forget/

back and forth through my mind behind a cigarette...


Mr. Smith ( me jones),

While looking for inspiration to strike me down all cold-blooded-like, I happened to scan my bookshelf; and it just so happened a blue-steel sledge hammer smacked me upside the ole gulliver in the form of Victor Hugo -- Hunchback of Notre Dame Style. 

Being one who takes a rather long view on things, I think I know Transformative Times when I see them; and, gentlemen, we are smack-dab in the midst of just such an epoch.  Radical flux will fill the ensuing years; we will openly ask how many more hundreds of millions will need to die for the sake of ideology or governmental philosophy or religious theology?  And when no coherent answer returns, We will know it's time to name or own game and structure the rules to our deference; and may our game have much in common with that of the belle epochs, and may our rules reflect the axiom of Blackstone, "the law shall be a defense of the innocent, not a crudgle in the hands of power."  Selah.

Now, where was I with this Victor Hugo solid-gold metaphor...ah, yes, at the place where the hunchback's benefactor (the priest) was stewing over this new-fangled thingy: a printed manuscript.  Well, let me back up a few thousand years and preface this for your drones, bores and philistines: before the printed word, architecture was the most common medium of communication.  And though this message was uniformly religious/state egomania, it had a way of conveying its message.  And so lament filled the heart of our classically-minded priest as he brooded over the fate of his gothic treasure (the cathedral...try to keep up, nitwits); and he looked out, surveying the Gallic civilization of medival Europe, awed at the contrast of the spires and the homely hovels below...all the while apoplectic over the fate of all.

Our priest held in his hand the manifestation of a volitile and nebulous future; where would all this lead?  He stood at the nexus of two ages: behind him, all that had come, from the Beauty of Greece, the Majesty of Rome, the Power of Egypt, blah, blah, blah, and before him a terror -- the Great Mysteries of Old in the hands of the rabble!  Could he foresee the uncorking of volcanos spewing human carnage over the infinite horizon?  Possibly...but that's coming to an end.  Things WILL be different now.  The watched can now watch The Watchers.

who likes to smoke/

enjoys a joke/

and wouldn't get a bit upset if he were really broke/

with wealth and fame/

he's still the same/

I'll bet you five you're not alive if you don't know his name,


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 20:30 | 1458070 MacGruber
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As a Gen Xer, I'm ready. I think all the disenfranchised folks of my generation (myself included more or less) that have witness the melting away of the (in)famous American Dream™ are just waiting for that moment of weakness.

I have friends across the country and the theme seems to be the same; that we have been sold bad goods, we're hunkered down, we're defensive. Even those in the financial industry that aren't headliners are wondering if they made the right move, the promise was to be rich but after years in the trenches there is nothing to show for it but an average paycheck and job insecurity. Another friend in my age group is without a job, losing his house, and moving into his mom's place "for a while". He was self employed so there was no social safety net for him.

I think there will be a period of quiet acceptance. People will take it on the chin, because individually you can always question yourself and your decisions. "It must have been something I did that caused this." But I think as money runs out and a greater consciousness of what has happened to our country arrives, people will start to push the pain and fear outward.

I'm frankly surprised there haven't been isolated incidendents of violence or at least provocative statements. But I think they will come, it's just a matter of time. When that time does come, that moment of weakness, it will be the time for the new leaders to insert themselves and take control - to channel that pain and mistrust and convert it to energy that is focused in the right direction.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:18 | 1458177 AldousHuxley
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your boomer leaders have failed you,led you astray with lies. Time for new leadership. Rise up and take over. Show them what I-got-nothing-to-lose middle disenfranchised class looks like.


Fri, 07/15/2011 - 01:59 | 1458537 Tsukato
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I think there will be a period of quiet acceptance. People will take it on the chin, because individually you can always question yourself and your decisions. "It must have been something I did that caused this." But I think as money runs out and a greater consciousness of what has happened to our country arrives, people will start to push the pain and fear outward.

Poppycock! You people need to realise that you are an integral part of the problem. This is not something that showed up overnight. Any person with half a brain, and an ability to think for themself, could see this coming 10-15 years ago. Enough of your self pity, and childlike angst. You, and everyone you know, probably lived far beyond your means, and thought the gravy-train would never end. I knew tons of americans just like you. Your kind will actually do nothing. Of that, I am sure.

When that time does come, that moment of weakness, it will be the time for the new leaders to insert themselves and take control - to channel that pain and mistrust and convert it to energy that is focused in the right direction.

This is another big mistake of yours, and of the peasent class as a whole. Why do you need another leader?! For chrissakes, are you a woman or a child. Its time for you and your buddies to grow up, have some respect for yourselves, grow some nuts, and stop being such little cunts.

Of course this is all just my humble opinion.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:09 | 1458151 Jumbotron
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I have followed Charles Hugh Smith for quite some time.  Part of my reeducation after losing everything in the crash of '08.  But I must say that I think Charles is exhibiting too much hopium in looking at the future generations, particularly Gen X and Y.

As someone born is 1964 who, in many surveys, is one year after the last Baby Boomer and 1 year before Gen X ( so what am I....Gen Nothing....Gen Rummy....Gen & Tonic) I will straddle a Baby Boomer reference and a Gen-X reference in saying this is all you need to know about the future.

The Who.... "Won't Get Fooled Again"

Meet the new boss...same as the old boss

The Matrix: Reloaded....Neo meets The Architect

Neo:  You haven't answered my question.

The Architect:  Quite right...interesting!  That was quicker than the others.

Neo:  What many....

The Architect:  The Matrix is older than you know.  I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomoly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

Neo:  There are only two possible explainations.  There were five before me.  Either no one told me or no one knows.

The Architect:  Precisely.

Later in the conversation.....

Neo:  This is about Zion.

The Architect:  You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed.  Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existance eradicated. 

Neo:  Bullshit!

The Architect:  Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. assured...this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it....and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

Garden of Eden






Holy Roman Empire

The Magna Carta

The Renaissance






All the utopian visions, all the savior states.

Nothing but the Matrix.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:21 | 1458180 AldousHuxley
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red pill or blue pill?

US government passed out blue pill to sedate the population and now blue pills are all gone.


Time for the red pill. Acknolwedging the brutual reality. That's how all revolutions start. It is about time.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 22:00 | 1458247 zero intelligence
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"Boomers feel self important, better than everyone else, and can do no wrong."



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