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Expect 5 more years of the same,,,debt deflation in slow motion as Ben prints and squatters scream for more free living.
Gov. housing program at expense of taxpayer and politically incorrect bond holders.
There are two housing markets. One is the places where people can live and viably. The other is where people will never want to live again. The first is in upscale neighborhoods of cities and towns powered by hydroelectricity, the second is the places that are not sustainable.
The suburban experiment is over. People will not be able to afford driving hours everyday. People will not be able to afford to live in cities that power off of gas. Cities that have no natural resources are soon to be, if they are not already, ghost towns. Say good bye to Las Vegas, Phoenix, areas of Detroit, and swaths of suburbs in California. These markets will bottom at zero.Towns in the NE and NW that are powered off of hydro will bottom next year. People will rush to live where energy from water is cheap. They will power their electric cars with this "free" energy.
These are the two housing markets, and the rift will seperate the lower class from the upper once and for all.
the trick is to have a house in each market and a separate wife to service it. That way you win both ways, as Oligarch and as plebe. Double helpings at reduced prices! The USA has never been so promising!
Thats some serious hedging. I like it.
The analysis in this post is slightly flawed because the 2006 equity of $12 Trillion was never really "there". Alot of people acted as if it was there but it was all just a fantasy.
Exactly, in a lot of ways it was a paper loss.
Not a paper loss at all. IF the banks had not been bailed out (which in turn bailed out depositors), then depositors would've seen real cash losses. Instead, we enact bailouts and suck the value out of the currency a little bit at a time over 20 years.
Wealth did operate during the bubble as if real, but it was indeed unreal, regardless of what the National Association of Realtors was telling everyone.
Phoenix has nuke, hoover, and solar.
I am with you on two out of three, but nuclear has a negative EROEI when considering storage costs. Long Phoenix?
"Powered by hydroelectricity?"
Which cities do fit the bill? Only Las Vegas comes to my mind...
Excuse this post (considering hydro), I used bad examples, as LV and Phoenix run off of hydro. The Bonneville damn and Niagra should keep the NW and NE going, but not much of the country runs off of hydro...well, not enough to power all the suburbs and whatnot. I think the south has very little hydro power. I guess I should take "The Long Emergency" back off of the shelf....
The FRB is effectively "making the payment" on these to prevent the MBS and CDOs from collapsing.
The free availability of debt masked the fact that wages cannot keep up with prices the way that they have...this is a symptom of the hollowing out of the production base in the USA.
At some point, this trade deficit and all the rest of it must normalize. People claiming that the Bernank is the cause are fools; the cause is the massive export of dollars for 40 years against massive imports of everything else. Any other country without a petrodollar trying to do this would have seen immediate forex normalization. In fact, during the 70s, the dollar was experiencing exactly that, inflation to its true comparative value. The petrodollar recycling scheme merely delayed that.
And the most insidious part is that you have to pay taxes on the "gain" that didn't even keep up with inflation.
but the NRA states " Now is the perfect time to own a home"
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
The other NRA states 'Now is the perfect time to own a gun'
tyler - how old are you and is that your picture ?
also i think you work too hard but i do appreciate your work - how many people does it take to keep this thing rolling - thx
Sorry if I'm wrong to ask, but is this a joke? The pix is from Fight Club, the movie, starring Tyler Durden. Look it up.
* starring Brad Pitt in the role of TD
Wait a minute.
Brad Pitt is running ZH?
DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUU
When the hell do we start beating the crap out of each other?
I have anger issues and need to take it out on the random silver bashing trolls who frequent these boards any time there is a down tick.
The first rule of Zero Hedge is you don't talk about Zero Hedge.
So when does project mayhem start?
You missed that wagon a year or so ago.
Is that similar to actions being taken on silver?
Tyler is hot and so is ZH!
I bet you say that to all the guys
5 hamsters to take care of the needed electricity (once a month they get a 1 hour brake and than the servers go offline)
1 FED guy to fuck things up so there's a constant feed of newstopics
1 US PRESIDENT to CHANGE to constitution, bill of rights and your ways of living
and Tyler who goes all PAPARAZI on them :)
Don't forget the 100's of brilliant commenters that snip and parse every word said along the way.
Who would have guessed prices of CARD BOARD BOXES with drywall finishings to drop to a level of ONLY +500% of it's intrensic value?!
The average RAW MATERIAL VALUE of a house is still worth 6200$ so whatever happens, prices shouldn't drop below that level.
And, as some folks always note, silver only costs $5/oz to mine. Thus, a house is worth at least 1240 ounces of silver! The American Dream.
Which one do you think is more difficult and riskier of an action to do?
How about which one requires more specialized labor that you can't learn "tinkering in the garage"?
People are constantly proving that "any bum" can do it when it comes to building a house (and for alot cheaper).
I pick mining. As a geologist who's built a house, I choose to never enter underground mines, but I live in my house. I stash my silver in bank deposit boxes, though, because I seriously doubt the government will seize it. Too many rich people, i.e., the owners of the government, own prescious metals. But to your point, I was being sarcastic. Just not very well.
Geology eh? I minored (har har har) in it, and my girlfriend is getting her masters in it at the moment. Even though I make quite a bit of money eventually I'm "going galt" to start an organic self-sustaining farm, while I lush off of her career.
Oil wealth bitchez!
I also got an MS in geology, long ago, and when I graduated from school, oil was $11 a barrel and 65% of the geotechnical workforce was unemployed. That was long ago, indeed. Guys who built houses got rich while I spent two years looking for work.
Back then, houses were a good deal. Not so much anymore.
Times certainly have changed. While at Virginia Tech it was common knowledge that Geophysics MS students would be employed with starting salary of around 120k for their first year.
My girlfriend is doing an internship this summer with Cheveron making 6k a month. For an internship...
It's really not that hard to build a house yourself.
Just follow the IKEA instructions:
Here's another one:
Most stick-built American homes are not worth much more than the Ikea ones you link to. Here's a good example - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jackson_County,_Alabama_tornado_damage.JPG
We could call them tornado fodder, rather than houses. More descriptive these days.
Well at least those houses are (not) affordable to low income people.
"Like everyone else, I had become aslave to the IKEA nesting instinct.If I saw something like clever coffeetable sin the shape of a yin and yang,I had to have it. I would flip throughcatalogs and wonder, "What kind of diningset defines me as a person?" We used toread pornography. Now it was the HorchowCollection. I had it all. Even the glassdishes with tiny bubbles and imperfections,proof they were crafted by the honest,simple, hard-working indigenous peoples ofwherever."
I wonder what all those house price numbers look like when priced in real money ?
Inflation forces everyone to become a speculator. Either you speculate in ways to keep pace with inflation or you speculate in how long it will be before your financial assets ( savings ) are wiped out.
It is wrong to inherently punish the risk averse savers. Their willingness to accept lower returns should not be compounded by debasing the unit of measure of their holdings.
Savers and people on fixed incomes are very Patriotic at the moment. Their wealth (or survival fund as the case may be) is being transferred to Bernanke with each push of his Q-Easy button. I salute their patriotism and hope they land a prized location in their local Hooverville once the dollar sinks to zero. (snark for those who didn't figure it out)
As for your ZH Id, I do not appreciate the sentiment. Good day to you sir!
taxee taking a hit too.
True that. Many counties and municipalities refuse to adjust assessed values to reflect home price depreciation.
My county tax assessor increased the value of my home. They needed more taxes
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