Guest Post: 9/11 – A Fourth Turning Perspective

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Sun, 09/12/2010 - 17:49 | 577164 russki standart
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I respect Quinns work, and his insights are interesting and valuable. But he misses the point when pretending that 911 was somehow an external attack, reflecting the Zeitgeist, or spirit of the times. Anyone who has studied the videos, photography and statements of witnesses in detail begins to suspect that 911 was an inside job. How can elements of the US and foreign governments launching a false flag operation against their own citizens be reflective of a 4th turning? Perhaps Quinn can explain this in a subsequent posting.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 19:57 | 577350 Alexandre Stavisky
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Time to remember as little ambulatory flesh packages of a short time expiration, (even black boxes of mingled mischief and valour) that men are CREATED beings. Waddling forth on four legs at infancy, two at powerful middle age, then three in decrepitude (with false staffs?).  In evidence of our ignorance of even our own flesh, what man here could name the organs between his neck and knees?  Let alone describe adequately their function, alone and in concert, in maintaining his biologic homeostasis and thence affording some sense of contentment or happiness.

Everyman here is a sole entity reaping a reward from a time unremembered and sowing for a future harvest.  His experience in the short time-frame of mortality is a consequence of past action while the dreams and yearnings for a future happiness make rudder for his exertions through THIS time.  Government and society are the macro-encapsulations of all the combinant strivings of mankind.  If this is a fourth turning, and if this is a hivernous period, and if it is to be troubling and turbulent, that is because the bulk of a population darkly deem it so.

Beyond, there are, though, a combination of connivers who seek to direct the historical events of great nations for their selfish advantage.  They seek to overcome the nobler qualities of the institutions of a nation and to defy the liberty, the endowed rights of men, and the simple peaceable parts of existence.  They deny any power greater than themselves or their fraternity.  They seek to slake the desires of their basest whims by making silent depradation of other human derivatives.   They hijack the organs of society's body.  When once the divine rights of men are denied, when once sacrosanct individual protections of government are sullied, they proceed with the waste and enslavement of their fellows.

Just as most everyman cannot describe nor systemically understand their own internal organs, neither (without great study and long effort) can they understand the organs of heaven and earth that move men and nations, provide for their felicity or downfall, their material and spiritual well-being.  Ignorance of these is the very definition of hell.  Superb conformance and obedience to these is the Shangri-La, the oasis, the alpha and omega, and the sweet complete fulfillment of individual and social mankind.

It can be enjoyed in all epochs of time conditioned upon the uprightness and lawfulness of its acolytes.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 20:58 | 577449 kathy.chamberli...
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your pretty cute (with false staffs?) and all.

my main organ concern and utter obsession S  K  I  N

most important and largest, organ between neck and knees, did you say.

yep. S K I N

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 21:26 | 577505 israhole
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Israel did 9/11, and Israel-firsters are traitors.

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 04:15 | 577932 Azannoth
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They certainly had agents(which where caught) filming the entire event who obviously knew it was going to happen

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 04:56 | 577947 Clancy
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Advance knowledge doesn't necessarily mean that they did it.  And if they were actively involved they certainly couldn't have done it all on their own.

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 15:21 | 579022 kathy.chamberli...
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hey what kind of reply is this israHOLE?

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 04:54 | 577946 Clancy
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If it's an inside job then it's a much more serious crisis.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 19:20 | 577168 kathy.chamberli...
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w h o o p   de  d o o   2 you too.

tyler, i really liked this article. it was beautifully written for a person of my strength of understanding. nice pictures, love the last one. sorta of a good night sweet heart.

 i think a lot of people struggled with New York City getting whacked in the ego.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 19:24 | 577291 SteveNYC
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I think you deserve less than 9 junks for your candor alone. Whether we "deserved" it or not is a moot point. The point is, this event was painted to the entire country/world as a strike that began the "war on terror". This is bullshit. This was the beginning of absolutely nothing, it was a continuation of events, exchanges, and interaction between the USA and certain groups in the middle east that have been ongoing for some time.

We have to go back decades to find the "root cause" of 9/11, this is no event in isolation of anything, merely a continuation.The seeds had been planted years ago, we have watered those seeds over time with our involvement in the ME militarily and otherwise, taking sides unconditionally, and meddling in the affairs of other countries.

The events continue to this day on both sides......

RIP to those who perished on AND before 9/11, condolences to the families, let's hope the insanity stops during our lifetime.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 20:17 | 577371 B9K9
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This was the beginning of absolutely nothing, it was a continuation of events

It's reassuring to see that others also get the big picture. Many cannot accept the fact that peace is merely an interlude between conflict. War is by far & away the most profitable endeavor upon which mankind can embark. Nothing else even comes close in terms of satisfying both core primeval impulses and the imperative to debilitate rivals.

I always enjoy reading the conspiracy theories regarding 9/11. As if we had the ways, means or even the desire to launch a false flag operation. Here's the biggest fallacy: why take a chance about getting caught? The money isn't in the attack, the payoff is in the response.

It doesn't matter which party is in nominal 'control'; it's all about expanding the balance sheet. Again, the world economy works as a function of debt - more growth, more debt. And nothing, I mean nothing quite expands a balance sheet like the demand for war financing.

Bush was patiently waiting, in fact, probably praying for some kind of attack. I can reassure you that right now at the highest levels of government, what they would really, really like would be a major conflict that destroyed a shit-load of fixed infrastructure. (And perhaps some people, um collateral, as well.)

Smedley Butler laid it out for everyone in the 30s.

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

Once you realize that war is the only possible way out of our deflationary depression, just like it was back then, then it would behoove you to make the appropriate preparations.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 21:41 | 577530 hidingfromhelis
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A tip of the hat and an un-junk to you B9K9!

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 22:44 | 577600 Spalding_Smailes
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....B9K9----"Once you realize that war is the only possible way out of our deflationary depression"...

 

......"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.".........

 

Have we not been at war for the last 15 or so years.? This has not stopped the credit bubble unwind that started with the dotcom bust  ...

 

 

" Bush was patiently waiting, in fact, probably praying for some kind of attack. I can reassure you that right now at the highest levels of government, what they would really, really like would be a major conflict that destroyed a shit-load of fixed infrastructure. (And perhaps some people, um collateral, as well.)".....

 

                                                                   And your contact/master/bullshit- from the skull and bones/alex jones/rense.... told you this crap ...?

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 23:01 | 577645 taraxias
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"Here's the biggest fallacy: why take a chance about getting caught?"

Wow, it would be funny if didn't know you are being serious. Does Cheney, you know the "so?" guy,  strike you like the kind of guy that would worry about being caught? How about Ben Bernanke?

"Bush was patiently waiting, in fact, probably praying for some kind of attack."

Why patiently wait for one when you can start one? With impunity if I may add.

"Once you realize that war is the only possible way out of our deflationary depression"

Really, the only way? Stop posting nonsense, wars have bankrupted this great nation, now we're going to go nuclear to stop the deflationary depression. Pleeeeease!!!!!!!!


Sun, 09/12/2010 - 23:09 | 577659 AmericaRacket
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There was no risk of getting caught.  The bandits who perpetrated the false flag own the enforcement apparatus and the media, plus they have the advantage of relying upon  bogus story that the masses WANT to believe.  No one WANTS to believe that people in their own government would commit such an atrocity.

The objection that "they would not risk getting caught" is extremely weak when you consider  the power and arrogance of TPTB.  Now consider the objection that buildings have been engulfed in much longer and hotter fires without collapsing, INCLUDING the WTC, yet the WTC didn't just collapse, it did so at free-fall, into its own footprint, in perfect symmetry, and was utterly pulverized.  Consider the insider trading at Brown and Root that was never investigated, the collapse of WTC 7 that WAS NOT HIT by a plane.  (The first case in history of a plane collapsing spontaneously in perfect symmetry), and the lack of ANY official story of what happened at WTC7.  Consider that the Patriot Act was written BEFORE 9-11, that the attack plans for Afghanistan were drawn BEFORE 9-11.  Consider the War Games and the pre-emptive arrival of the FEMA response team.  Consider that the people in the CIA MOST responsible for sitting on evidence of bin Ladin's plans were PROMOTED.

This is why people who know the facts have less and less patience with the government line-swallowers.  There is a MOUNTAIN of proof that the 9-11 attacks were undertaken by a cabal inside the US gov.  LOOK at it before casting judgment.

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 00:35 | 577792 Bringin It
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Great post AmericanRacket. 

The bandits who perpetrated the false flag own the enforcement apparatus and the media ...

To anyone with a heart beat, this is depressingly clear.

Bldg.7 not hit by a plane and falling in it's foorprint is all someone with a working mind needs to know about the event to realise it was an inside job.

The article is just a not so subtle appology for the perps.

* minus 9 plus ___ = 4; Ans. is 13

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 06:12 | 577976 breezer1
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read somewhere that building 7 was where all the files on enron were being stored awaiting doj investigation. also twin towers were slated for demolition but the asbestos made it a money losing proposition. the owner heavily insured them against terrorist attack a couple of months before 9/11.

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 04:14 | 577930 The Rock
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+911

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 00:29 | 577784 stev3e
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They could care less if they get caught.  They got caught lying about WMD in Iraq and just laughed it off 100,000 deaths later.

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 04:57 | 577948 Clancy
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And then came the day that the powers that be realized they don't have to wage a war to rob the American people blind.  They can just take whatever they want without offering any excuse or justification.

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 07:23 | 578007 tamboo
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read 'war is a racket' here along with other great books:

http://www.iamthewitness.com/

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 20:31 | 577397 MileMarker17
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Hopefully, the plethora of "junk" flaggers will be among the first victims when TSHTF.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 20:33 | 577402 kathy.chamberli...
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damn i was sooooo into mile markers, funny you show up.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 20:40 | 577415 MileMarker17
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You mean you're not "still" into mile markers?  What happened?

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 20:52 | 577436 kathy.chamberli...
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i am not into counting K's anymore, if you know what i mean.

kilometers

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 15:38 | 577432 kathy.chamberli...
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ps i EDIT a lot. took out my candor part. but maybe say it again. up to 21 junks now but who is counting.

i thought we deserved it. wake your ass up dumb down americanos.

ME, definitely included.

i was lying in my bed (MST) watching fat fuck mark haines, sayin it was a small private plane. jeeze and he was in close proximity, CNBC set and all.

coming from someone that ate up all the Y2K fear and scare tactics. i also think that was plain and simple fear driven. they pumped beaucoup bucks and fear into the people, over switching into another century. hey, your computer may not work, but apple/mac's will. no shit sherlock. this is how apple was going to take over this sorry ass world. they reprogrammed the OS, to reset. brilliant, you get to go to the head of the class, and get an apple to boot.

you can't handle 2000, bitchez.

people were fumbling over the correct pronunciation of the 21st century. say two thousand or twenty twenty. hell, we should of celebrated. how often do humans get to celebrate a brand new century. especially a 21st century  M A N.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 18:37 | 577229 RecoveringDebtJunkie
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The four turnings represent the fractal adaptive cycle of complex systems - growth, conservation, release and re-organization.

We have reached the limits of our complex global economy (in terms of finance and fossil fuels) and are now entering the release phase - http://peakcomplexity.blogspot.com/2010/09/limits-to-complexity.html

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 00:39 | 577795 Bringin It
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Based on this article, the 4 - turnings is a fairy-tale to help you sleep nights.

You can go back to sleep now.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 20:03 | 577341 QuantumCat
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The work of Strauss and Howe, Nassim Taleb, Socionomics (Elliott wave), Kondratieff, and other cyclical and fractal oriented analyses are all converging from different starting points.  This is the age of contrarianism because conventional wisdom is being turned on its head... not for the first time in history, but for the first time in OUR human experience (Strauss and Howe).  No history book can properly relate how we should act... our responses will be endogenous within the collective.  We must live and be actors in it, and by the very definition of success (which is limited to the few), most of us will be completely wrong.  To understand the Saecular cycle and what is transpiring, one must understand that endogenous social mood (Socionomics) is transforming in a society dwindling in proportional representation by those who experienced the Great Depression and WWII.  Additionally, nature has a tendency for alternation (Socionomics, Elliott wave).  This will ensure that a thorough understanding of history will be a poor predictor of exactly what will transpire(Taleb's Swans) knowing only that challenges will be faced and resolved in some fashion.  The degree of challenge and ultimate resolution (success or failure depending on your particular disposition and objectives for society) will likely be quite large (Socionomics, Elliott wave).  History will rhyme (Kondratieff), but it will not repeat(Taleb). 

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 22:52 | 577634 Bendromeda Strain
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You forgot Harry Dent, admittedly more memorable as Two-Face...

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 05:07 | 577951 Clancy
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Taleb is a pop-culture version of Jacques Ellul, and Strauss and Howe are a simple man's Oswald Spengler.

Read Ellul's The Technological Society, it gives a comprehensive theory for why people are fooled by randomness.  It should be mandatory reading for everyone who posts on this board.

 

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 06:57 | 577993 fat tony slim
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also: history jumps, it does not crawl

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 17:35 | 577146 cossack55
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Embrace entropy before it embraces you.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 18:48 | 577243 Marley
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Didn't you get the memo?  Entropy no longer exists. 

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 19:25 | 577294 SteveNYC
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Bernanke QE'd entropy? Wow, best central banker of all time.....

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 20:35 | 577407 Thomas
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Entropy is always around. It is the lack of enthalpy that makes the entropy seem so immutable. The enthalpy comes in the form of readily available sources of cheap energy (enthalpy). Without it, the world heads to maximum disorder.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 21:41 | 577531 tip e. canoe
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how bout the lack of empathy?

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 00:27 | 577782 Cathartes Aura
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palpable.

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 02:04 | 577850 Marley
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Then riddle me this.  Why didn't entropy exist for one day?  How do you violate a physical law, clearly demonstrated throughout the universe, every where we look.  It's why we don't have homogeneous universes, galaxies, or solar systems for that matter.  But yet for one day, failed to rear it's head, not once, twice, three, or possibly four times.  So, didn't you get the memo?  Entropy doesn't exist anymore.

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 00:31 | 577786 Dantzler
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thermodynamics suffers no fools.

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 07:31 | 578013 Al Gorerhythm
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I don't have the energy to embrace entropy.

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 18:29 | 577149 DavidPierre
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Put this article into the "M" (MORON) file along with Quinn's other obscene and racist drivel.

The real 9/11 questions remain UNANSWERED,

WHO REALLY DID IT ?

…”unambiguous that Osama bin Laden masterminded the attacks”… (hahahaha!)

Too Fast

Too Pat

Too Easy

Another Patsy!

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Here's a typical, if less obscene, response from Quinn to a polite comment at his lousy blog... wwwthestinkingpile.com

"Administrator says:

red

It is good that you were able to take time out from the truther sheep fuck convention to develop a sitcom. I hear JFK is on today. You can sit in front of your TV and jerk off to it. Do you have any ideas about detective dads that bring up morons? By the number of thumbs up you received, it appears that the 9/11 truther retards are still onboard. I guess no other sites will have you mongoloids.

The truthers swarmed the site with their bullshit immediately. Anyone who has been on my site for the last two years realizes that if you don’t have facts to back up your argument, I will obliterate you.

I had the facts when Jason Rines pulled the plug on my old site.

I really don’t care who I offend.

Anyone who has been offended can hit the fucking road.

Then all of the truthers I’ve offended today can quit my site. They can discuss gravity, explosives, jet fuel, video clips of the Pentagon, and how to properly fuck a sheep*."

Since you say you were a firefighter, that makes you an intelligent person.

You should really have special insight into the 9/11 towers. You are a bonafide sleuth.

You really have that mystery solved.

Nobody can pull anything over on you. You are too smart to fall for any tricks.

You are a mystery solver. A man with keen analytical skills. —-A fucking inbred, maggot-infested douchebag. You and all of the rest of the duped Truthers eat dog shit."

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That's just one of the really intelligent responses from Quinn.

*Quinn's favorite retort

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 20:01 | 577358 Lord Welligton
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Excuse me.

Was that actually a response from Quinn?

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 20:42 | 577421 DavidPierre
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For this comment the MORON got deleted from his own comment section last night.

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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

"Beyond a shadow of a doubt? Amazing that idiots can post such drivel and then are incapable of putting together one paragraph of their own thoughts. Every 9/11 truther is exactly alike. They are only capable of posting links. Not one has ever made a comprehensive case in their own words. They are incapable of independent thought and must rely on “experts” to support their delusional ramblings."

Trying to reason with a truther is like trying to explain that sex with sheep is wrong. Useless."

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If you ever go to www.themoronicidiots.com and read the comments you should note that Quinn regularly uses aka's ... (usually posts under 'Smokey') when he posts his really obscene and racist shit. 

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 21:12 | 577476 Lord Welligton
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Wow.

That is one sick puppy.

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 00:22 | 577733 DavidPierre
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Some feedback I got from Jason Rines, who just happens to be, Jim Quinn's former webmaster until he booted Quinn's sorry ass to the curb.   

http://ragingdebate.com/politics/remembering-911#comments

"I saw your comment on Zero Hedge regarding Jim Quinn. I would advise you as a fellow American to let him continue to hang himself and not waste your own time.

He has his own totalitarian approach that reveals itself over time to the reading audience.

We can't stop each wannabe dictator wrapping himself/herself around the flag of what the United States once stood for.

He will continue to tell those seeking truth that they are a moron.

Whether I am right or you are right, we are at least attempting to get at the truth.

The government still nine years later cannot answer for why our tax dollars were wasted on intelligence and security apparatus into the trillions that do not protect us from what we pay into it when 3,000 American are murdered.

I try and start there while educating other Americans."

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Jason Rines GAVE and MAINTAINED Jim Quinn on a beautiful, well run website FOR FREE for over a year till Quinn was stupid enough to bite the hand that was feeding him. 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 10:08 | 820618 benburnyanki
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Any asshole that say 911 was done by 19 razer totin' towel heads needs to be drawn and quartered for being a traitor as apparently this bloke seems to be their Captain Beef Heart. Sorry but u got any rum matey? Parrot food would be handy too?

Mon, 09/13/2010 - 03:11 | 577815 DavidPierre
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Jason Rines just posted this.

"Smokey and Jim are the same people, yes. I mapped both the I.P.'s back to his office at Wharton.

As for having fun, well... TBP is a place where if you want to be abused and argue with someone with only academic experience then go for it.

As for me, I moved on.

3,000 of my countrymen are dead, they were not enemy combatants. Radical Islam was used as usual as the convenient manipulated fools they are. They like blood money and Islam gives these individuals the convenient excuse for murder-for-hire. No different than the 1880's in Russia and the 1930's in Germany. 

I want as close to the truth as we can all get and we are only partially there.

I cannot waste time on the wannabe dictators while my dead countrymen have not received justice.

Justice will be served when I feel the rest of my countrymen are safe and that also is a long ways away. We will probably be old men by the time we feel we know enough truth to say we concluded our own investigation and many of the perpetrators dead of old age, war or both.

So I have little time for Quinn."

http://ragingdebate.com/politics/remembering-911/c41097#c41097

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So there it is from someone who knows.

Jim Quinn is a FRAUD and a LIAR.

 I have posted on ZH and on... www.thestinkingshitpile.com

Jim Quinn is Smokey.

Hide your face in shame Quinn.

You will always have 'sheep' who will still respect you in the morning.

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Jim Quinn during one of his frequent Bi-Polar Spells last night posting to himself on

www.thesmolderingpile.com

Lifted directly...no edits;

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  1. Smokey says:

    LLPOH—–There is another blog, Zero Hedge. I think they have about 25k members. Zero Hedge posts guest articles from hundreds of sources on his site. Quinn is one of his favorite guest authors because people love to read and comment on Quinn’s articles. They generate much traffic for ZH. There is an article over there now “9/11—-A Fourth Turning Perspective” of Quinn’s from this site that has over 200 comments so far this weekend. THAT’S where many of the 9/11 loonies came from this weekend. They read the article over there and came over here. I haven’t seen SSS all weekend, although Stuck was on our side this weekend against the loonies. I’m getting ready to crash for tonight, but I’ll be back to start some shit with someone tomorrow. Later.

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Quinn... a guy who posts to himself on his own website.

And he knows the Truth about 9/11 ?!

Pity the fool!

     

Sun, 09/12/2010 - 17:39 | 577152 russki standart
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The stupid idiots burning Korans were nothing more than a distraction, designed to draw attention away from the fraudulent Myth of 911, that 19 A-rabs with box cutters somehow defeated the worlds most sophisticated air defence system. As a former Soviet Air Force General once stated, we have studied American air defences for decades, and what happened on 911 was not possible.  Maybe, some day, we will figure out how WTC building  number 7 fell without being hit by a plane. A good place to start is to read the conclusions of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth.

If you are interested in the 911 Myth, just wait, Internet Tough Guy of the Megaphone crowd, and the neocon trolls will be showing up shortly to earn their pay.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!