Guest Post: Is America On A Burning Platform?

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Fri, 10/15/2010 - 18:20 | 654223 NOTW777
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remember how much the left complained about deficits when GW was president.  now its a non issue?

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 18:30 | 654250 Shiznit Diggity
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Remember how the right didn't make a peep about deficits when GW was president? Remember Dick "Deficits Don't Matter" Cheney?



Fri, 10/15/2010 - 20:04 | 654460 oddjob
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Remember how Newt Gingrich cut goverment spending and Bill Clinton took the credit.

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 20:11 | 654476 Uncle Remus
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Remember how divide and conquer politics as usual will march us further down the road to serfdom and keep us from properly decorating the lamp posts on Wall Street?

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 20:36 | 654510 midtowng
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+1000 for properly decorating the lamp posts on Wall Street.

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 08:41 | 654948 snowball777
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Tres Fab Fab. I love what you've done with the place.

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 08:44 | 654951 aheady
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Fri, 10/15/2010 - 21:41 | 654661 aint no fortuna...
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I'll bump it +1000 for decorating the lamp posts... make that an even +2000 and throw in the gulag for good measure

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 08:33 | 654945 Confused
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Thanks for pointing out whats really important. Choosing sides is a fools game. 

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 20:35 | 654508 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Remember how they shut down the government entire to do so.

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 21:00 | 654572 merehuman
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remember when the media used to Investigate and report? Lol whos your sponsor.

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 21:38 | 654656 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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America has no sponsor, they have not started the program yet.  Starts soon, this month, maybe next.

"Hi.  My name is America and I have an entitlement complex."

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 23:49 | 654862 tomdub_1024
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lol, 2 thumbs up for merehuman and lennonhendrix, these comments were clear, to the point, with wonderful scenematic transitions that lead the viewer to ....unforegone conclusions that render the viewer blah, blah, blah...

Seriously, though, very nice comments, just having a wee bit of fun on a Friday night...if that's allowed these days....;)

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 22:42 | 654775 Seer
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Gingrich cut spending?  Really?  A hero of yours?  The same Gingrich whose district received MORE federal $$s than any other district in the US with the exception of D.C.?

Thanks for playing!

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 08:42 | 654949 snowball777
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And was cheating on his wife while wasting the country's time chasing Clinton over his dick.

Slimy? Crawls on its belly?

Must be Newt!

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 08:45 | 654952 aheady
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"Well, I got better."

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 14:32 | 655318 Jim Quinn
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You forgot that his wife had cancer when he was cheating on her, so that makes it ok. Ask John Edwards.

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 06:40 | 654905 BobWatNorCal
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"Remember how the right didn't make a peep about deficits when GW was president?"

Only because you only read the MSM.
Try googling PorkBusters some time. The Repub party was silent, the right was vigorously active.

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 18:31 | 654251 Instant Karma
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Is it not obvious that the combination of an anti-business President and a literally insane Congress has driven the economy off a cliff. The Federal Reserve can do nothing but attempt to serve as an air bag when the car hits the ground. The Fed would be better off doing nothing, letting interest rates soar, and let the pain hit. That would lead to better political policy. That's the way it used to work in the old days. The Fed called the shots.

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 18:43 | 654284 Rainman
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Both parties are two sides of the same coin when it comes to spending what they ain't got.

David Walker is the modern day Paul Revere. A great patriot with courage to speak his mind. 

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 20:38 | 654514 midtowng
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The economy went off a cliff when Bush was still in office. The housing bubble burst when the Republicans still controlled Congress.

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 09:45 | 654997 Clark_Griswold ...
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It not Bush's fault, its not Clinton's fault-its both and many more before them.  You are being suckered into the pointing fingures arguement.

Left- Right- its all noise to distract you from what is going on.

The nightmare we are in now is due to 30+ years of "its all about me" politicians from both parties.


Its the small elitist bs, just different flavoring.

Both sides have utterly failed to do their job.

Its not "We the People"

its "We the Special Interest (with deep pockets) in order to form a more profitable Union on the backs of the little people."


We (the little people) have been way to lazy and have not held enough people accountable for their incompetance, I am as guilty of it as the next guy, and am certainly trying to make up for it now.

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 22:56 | 655862 Lucius Corneliu...
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Sat, 10/16/2010 - 15:28 | 655408 samseau
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Because had the democrats been in power, they would have done better?


Please, everyone, drop the partisan politics.  



Fri, 10/15/2010 - 21:45 | 654670 Ned Zeppelin
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Yeah, you're right. Bush had us on the right track.

Figure out that they are all the same yet?


Fri, 10/15/2010 - 22:36 | 654761 QQQBall
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Air Bag? They are transferring wealth from savers and prudent to imprudent, BK Bansters. More like Wind bags trying to talk up asset prices. I have a better idea, we do not need private banksters to control our currency -

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 13:56 | 655265 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

water wings?

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 22:44 | 654780 Seer
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Anti-business?  What the fuck have you been smoking?  Did you miss who the fuck is getting all the money these days?

I'd aver that THE problem is ignorance, such as you've demonstrated...

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 18:37 | 654266 Jake3463
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Both political parties are utterly corrupt and responsible.  Trying to blame the GOP or the DNC or the right wing politicians or the left wing politicians is ridiculous.


Every 2 years we are given a choice of 2 idiots.  I watched the Angle/Reid debate.  Both of them were retarded.  If I was in Nevada I'd write in Genital Warts because it seem preferable to either of those people representing me.

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 19:04 | 654329 Rainman
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Ever since government employment was taken over by the unions the pool of intelligence in most electeds has shrunken dramatically.....along with the nation's net worth. Maybe that's just a coincidence...... nevertheless, seems the responsible, sane, honest and intelligent people avoid the cesspool politics has become. 

We're stuck with the gimmes to the end, I'm afraid.....hope I'm wrong ( sigh ). 

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 20:57 | 654564 Jake3463
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I don't really think it was the unions as much as career people in the government who take their jobs seriously being replaced by political hacks who trade their public positions with that of a lobbyist when their party is out of power.

There was something to be said about someone who spent 30 years in government trying to get the next pay grade advance.   Alas, they've been replaced with people looking for connections so that they can sell it in the private sector for privileged treatment of the organization they represent. 

I'm not really that worried about the union garbage man as I am as the Goldman kid who takes a 2 year gig at the SEC and than goes back to Goldman.


Fri, 10/15/2010 - 22:49 | 654786 Seer
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Yeah, it's the little people who are to blame.  Whatever you do don't acknowledge the elephant in the room (the financial sector, which has walked away with our economic future).

To leverage an old phrase, "It's the System, stupid!"

Oh, and further, the fight is all over diminishing resources.  Doesn't matter what groups are in charge of what, massive upheaval will occur because of a lack of resources.  Growth, that's the real beast, but no one will admit it, instead, folks couch excuses in a bunch of pre-dictated sound bites...

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 09:51 | 655005 Clark_Griswold ...
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How interesting elections would be it there was a


None of the Above option

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 14:18 | 655296 TwelfthVulture
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With a necessary proviso that should "None of the Above" win, all, and I mean ALL candidates on the ballot are barred from running for the same office for two election cycles.


Sat, 10/16/2010 - 12:03 | 655131 ILikeBoats
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I'd write in Colonel Angus - he is a lot more fun.

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 23:35 | 654847 iconoclast63
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This is not about political parties! Sheesh!

As a matter of fact, the disintegration of our republic was predicted succinctly by a Democratic-Republican named Andrew Jackson on July 10, 1832.

To wit:

It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their selfish purposes. Distinctions in society will always exist under every just government. Equality of talents, of education, or of wealth can not be produced by human institutions. In the full enjoyment of the gifts of Heaven and the fruits of superior industry, economy, and virtue, every man is equally entitled to protection by law; but when the laws undertake to add to these natural and just advantages artificial distinctions, to grant titles, gratuities, and exclusive privileges, to make the rich richer and the potent more powerful, the humble members of society-the farmers, mechanics, and laborers-who have neither the time nor the means of securing like favors to themselves, have a right to complain of the injustice of their Government. There are no necessary evils in government. Its evils exist only in its abuses. If it would confine itself to equal protection, and as Heaven does its rains, shower its favors alike on the high and the low, the rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing.



Sat, 10/16/2010 - 12:45 | 655125 G-R-U-N-T
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"The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default:
by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles."
-Ayn Rand, Capitalism The Unknown Idea, 1966
The wrong people, and a surprisingly small number of them have control of the main stream media, political, and the university system which is helping facilitate America's destruction.
Deep down inside, I believe that most Americans know that certain basic principles are and have been violated by evil self serving forces that think they have a better way. Of course, "their better way" is their own or our eventual annihilation. The question is how much pain will the American people allow themselves to be in before they are motivated to effect change.
Principles before personalities...critical thinking people who have a sense of their own autonomy and self worth are self actualized and value their personal freedom. These principled Americans will eventually lead the charge against the few parasitical perverted subjugating minds. It may be bloody but it will happen.
I would also like to point out that I think many in America don't have a sense of identity whether it is in themselves or in America itself. This, unfortunately, leaves them vulnerable to other people's images weakening the ability of patriotic Americans whom know that deep down inside upholding the Constitution is the ultimate patriotic ideal as a nation.
Sat, 10/16/2010 - 12:34 | 655162 RabidLemming
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remember when comments on ZH where intelligent, non-partisan, on topic, witty, and thought provoking?

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 13:58 | 655268 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

i don't think i remember that time, oops senior moment again.

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 18:22 | 654227 NOTW777
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MSM no longer mentions presidential polls, body count in Afghan or Iraq, deficits or expense of wars

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 18:39 | 654271 Jake3463
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Ask any "leftie" they can tell you.  In fact, we are being treated by the President the same way over objections to a trillion dollar war when our country is falling apart as we were in 2008.  Why do you think Obama is out there begging for people to stop whining.

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 08:45 | 654953 snowball777
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Funny how you never see the TeaPotDomeExpress discussing how much we're throwing down these rabbitholes when they get hot under the collar about our fiscal straits.

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 18:26 | 654238 lynnybee
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I guess we've been on a burning platform for a while.   I just don't remember things being like this when I was a kid.    I remember just putting money in a passbook savings account & earning interest on it !    There was no such thing as IRA's, 401K's ........ WE DIDN'T NEED THEM !!  There was no "financial sector", we just put money in a damn bank and earned interest on it !    GET RID OF "these people" ........ they (& i assume that means Rubin, Greenspan, Summers, et al) have literally ruined us all.

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 21:48 | 654675 Arkadaba
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Interest in a savings account - what's that?

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 12:37 | 655167 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Fri, 10/15/2010 - 23:49 | 654864 Seer
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"we just put money in a damn bank and earned interest on it"

It's the same, only that things have multiplied at rates that have brought the inevitible chrashing sooner than would have happened otherwise.

Ask yourself just how it is that you are able to do NOTHING and expect to get more (money)?  If everyone did that?  Do you really think that That would be possible?

What happened was that that money was used to exploit resources and people elsewhere.  You just didn't see it happening.  That was the false "Leave It To Beaver" era.  If you think we can go back there you're horribly mistaken.

Time for people to grow up and face the fact that we've all been involved in a fraud, the fraud of perpetual growth...

Sat, 10/16/2010 - 14:00 | 655272 kathy.chamberli...'s picture

my mom use to keep all (lots) of her stock certificates in her safety deposit box she so didn't trust bankers or investment firms.

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 19:14 | 654239 99er
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The Growing Anger Pattern?


The Shafted Pattern?


The Asia Tells America To Fuck Off On Sunday Night Pattern


Have a great weekend!

Fri, 10/15/2010 - 21:39 | 654659 Lord Welligton
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No offence old bean.

But what is the difference between charts and throwing chicken bones in the air and interpreting the manner of the landing of the bones?

Both require belief.

Neither has fundamental value.


Fri, 10/15/2010 - 23:54 | 654872 tomdub_1024
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these days, agree,HA!

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