Guest Post: Is America On A Burning Platform?

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform

Is America On A Burning Platform?

David Walker, the former Comptroller of the United States from 1998
until 2008, has been warning politicians, the media, and the American
public for over a decade that we are off course and headed for disaster.
In August 2007, before the financial system meltdown of 2008, Mr.
Walker declared:

The US government is on a “burning platform” of
unsustainable policies and practices with fiscal deficits, chronic
healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments
threatening a crisis if action is not taken soon. There are striking
similarities between America’s current situation and the factors that
brought down Rome, including declining moral values and political
civility at home, an over-confident and over-extended military in
foreign lands and fiscal irresponsibility by the central government. The
fiscal imbalance meant the US was on a path toward an explosion of
debt. With the looming retirement of baby boomers, spiraling healthcare
costs, plummeting savings rates and increasing reliance on foreign
lenders, we face unprecedented fiscal risks. Current US policy on
education, energy, the environment, immigration and Iraq also was on an
unsustainable path. Our very prosperity is placing greater demands on
our physical infrastructure. Billions of dollars will be needed to
modernize everything from highways and airports to water and sewage

Three years have passed since Mr. Walker sounded the alarm and issued
his dire warning. The National Debt in August 2007 was $8.9 trillion.
Today it stands at $13.6 trillion, a 53% increase in just over 3 years.
It took 205 years as a country to accumulate $4.7 trillion of debt.
We’ve added $4.7 trillion in the last 38 months. It doesn’t appear that
anyone in government heeded Mr. Walker’s warnings.

The perpetually optimistic pundits that occupy the positions of
influence on CNBC and the other MSM networks try to paint a rosy picture
of the American state of affairs day after day. They urge citizens to
spend money they don’t have. They are sure that extending unemployment
benefits to 99 weeks will improve the unemployment situation. They
declare that Cash for Clunkers and the Home Buyer Tax Credit were
successful government programs. They are sure that invading countries in
the Middle East will make America safer. Nobel Prize winners in
economics declare that the government should undertake another $8 to $10
trillion of money printing because the first $5 trillion wasn’t enough.

The Federal Reserve is pulling out all the stops in attempting to
invigorate the American economy. The stock market is surging. Everything
is surging. The optimists are crowing that all is well. Deficits don’t
matter. We can borrow our way to prosperity. Cutting taxes will not add
$4 trillion to the National Debt if not paid for with spending cuts. All
is well. So, the question remains. Was David Walker wrong? Are we
actually on a perfectly sturdy solid platform? Or, are we on the
Deepwater Horizon as it burns and crumbles into the sea? Let’s examine
both storylines and decide which is true.


  • The National Debt of $13.6 trillion is manageable because interest rates remain at historic low levels.
  • The addition of $1.6 trillion in debt per year is necessary because
    government must step in for the lack of spending in the private sector.
    This will jump start the economy. This is Keynesianism 101.
  • The debt to GDP ratio of 93% is not dangerous. Japan has a debt to
    GDP ratio of 200% and they are doing fine. This proves we have plenty of
    room to grow our debt.
  • The US dollar is the reserve currency for the entire world. We can
    systematically devalue the USD, which will reduce our foreign debt
    burden over time. The foreigners who leant us the money are on the hook
    and they have no way out.
  • A depreciating dollar will help our manufacturing industry by making American exports cheaper in foreign markets.
  • The $700 billion TARP plan saved the American financial system. The
    American taxpayer will end up making a profit in the long run from this
  • Cash for Clunkers was an astounding success. It increased demand for autos dramatically.
  • The Homebuyer Tax Credits resulted in a surge in home sales and stabilization of home prices.
  • The $800 billion Stimulus plan saved America from a 2nd Great Depression. Without it, we would have lost millions of jobs.
  • Consumer spending accounting for 70% of GDP is sustainable and
    desirable. If we can just get credit flowing again and encourage
    consumers that it is safe to use their credit cards to spend, the
    economy will come roaring back.
  • This is not the time to save. Nobel Prize winners in economics urge
    Americans to spend because of the Paradox of Thrift. It may be smart for
    one person to save more than they spend, but if everyone does it a
    consumer society will collapse. We can save later is the recommendation.
  • A QE2 of $8 to $10 trillion would surely increase the animal spirits
    of the dejected American people. The stock market would soar to 20,000
    and everyone would feel rich. Spending would surge. All would be well
  • The Social Security Trust Fund is not broke. The money contributed
    by Americans over the decades is in a lockbox and the fund will be
    solvent for decades. A few tweaks and it will be solvent forever.
  • Medicare has been one of the best government programs ever
    conceived. It has sustained our senior citizens and delivered high
    quality care to all at a reasonable cost.
  • Baby Boomers are rational and realistic. The statistics that show
    they have not saved enough to sustain them in retirement is overblown.
    Social Security will suffice. If not, they’ll just work a little longer.
    No worries.
  • Obamacare will reduce healthcare costs, improve service, cover more
    people, and reduce the profits of insurance companies and drug
  • We have the best educational system in the entire world. People from
    all over the world want to get into our best Universities. No Child
    Left Behind has been a huge success.
  • We are safer today than we were on September 11, 2001. We won the
    Iraq War and freed the Iraqis from the clutches of a madman. We are
    fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here. The
    terrorists are in disarray and retreat.
  • The $1.1 trillion spent on the Middle East Wars, the trillions spent
    on the Dept of Homeland Security, and the expansion of government
    ability to protect its citizens through enhanced surveillance techniques
    and enhanced interrogation techniques on suspected terrorists has been
    beneficial to the safety and security of the American people.
  • A Defense budget of $900 billion per year is essential to our national security. We are surrounded by potential enemies.
  • It is a net positive for the US to allow illegal immigrants to stay
    in the country. Who else would we get to work in the fields picking
    lettuce and cutting our suburban lawns?
  • Gasoline is only $2.70 a gallon. We are awash in supplies of oil.
    Peak oil is a myth perpetuated by environmental nuts. We have centuries
    worth of oil in the Bakken Shale. If we would just open up Alaska to
    drilling, our troubles would be gone. Drill, Baby, Drill.
  • Our crumbling infrastructure is actually a fantastic opportunity. A
    2nd Stimulus program to upgrade our infrastructure would create millions
    of high paying jobs.  


  • The National Debt is $13.6 trillion today. Interest expense for
    fiscal 2010 totaled $414 billion. Based upon the current spending path
    and assuming that the Bush tax cuts are extended, the National Debt will
    exceed $20 trillion by 2015. A reasonable expectation of 5% interest
    rates would result in annual interest expense of $1 trillion. The entire
    budgeted outlays of the US government are $3.5 trillion today.
  • Deficits exceeding $1 trillion per year are baked into the cake for
    the next decade. Non-Defense discretionary spending totals only $700
    billion. Defense spending totals $900 billion. The remaining $1.9
    trillion is on automatic pilot for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,
    and other entitlement programs. Politicians declaring they will freeze
    discretionary spending are treating you like fools. It will solve
  • Debt as a percentage of GDP will exceed 125% of GDP by 2015. Rogoff & Reinhart in their book This Time is Different point out the dangers once debt surpasses 90% of GDP: The
    relationship between government debt and real GDP growth is weak for
    debt/GDP ratios below 90% of GDP. Above the threshold of 90%, median
    growth rates fall by 1%, and average growth falls considerably more.
    The chances of bad things happening to a country increase dramatically after the 90% level is surpassed.
  • Japan began their 20 years of tears with a debt to GDP ratio of 52%
    and a National Savings rate of 15%. The Japanese people bought 90% of
    the debt that the government issued. Today, the debt to GDP ratio is
    200% and the National Savings rate is 2%. The US entered this crisis
    with a debt to GDP ratio of 80% and a National Savings rate of 1%. We
    depend on foreigners to buy more than 50% of our new debt. We do not
    control our own destiny.
  • A depreciating US dollar is already creating inflation in many
    assets. Gold, silver, oil, and agricultural commodities are increasing
    in price faster than the stock market. The policy of the US government
    and Federal Reserve of devaluing the currency is being matched by
    similar efforts in countries across the globe. The result is a flood of
    liquidity creating bubbles which will pop. The American middle class
    will be squeezed harder as their wages stagnate, while their food,
    energy, and costs at Wal-Mart go higher.
  • TARP, the purchase of $1.5 trillion of Mortgage Backed Securities by
    the Federal Reserve, 0% interest rates, and accounting rule changes by
    the FASB have done nothing but paper over the fact that the biggest
    financial institutions in the US are insolvent. The assets on their
    books are worth 50% less than they are reporting. They are zombie banks.
    Their losses on residential real estate, commercial real estate and
    consumer credit continue to grow. The only beneficiaries of keeping
    zombie banks alive are the bankers who are receiving billions in
    compensation while the middle class dies a slow painful death.
  • Cash For Clunkers, Home Buyer Tax Credit and energy efficiency
    credits did nothing but shift demand forward and cost the American
    taxpayer $25 billion. The estimated cost to the tax payer per
    incremental home sold was $100,000. Auto sales and home sales plunged as
    soon as the credits ran out. Home prices are falling and used car
    prices have soared due to less supply, hurting the poor.
  • The borrowing of $800 billion from the Chinese to dole out to unions
    and political hacks all over the country has been a complete disaster.
    Unemployment has gone up by over 4 million since the stimulus was
    passed. Government spending has crowded out private spending.
    The economy hasn’t recovered because it was never allowed to bottom. Why
    look for a job when the government pays you for two years to watch
    Oprah in a house where you haven’t made a mortgage payment in 18 months?
  • Consumers’ spending money they don’t have, saving less than 5% of
    their disposable income, and putting away nothing for their retirement
    is unsustainable. The average credit card debt per household is about
    $15,700. In 1968, consumers’ total credit debt was $8 billion (in
    current dollars). Now the total exceeds $880 billion. Americans
    currently owe $917 billion on revolving credit lines and $80 billion of
    it is past due, according to the latest Federal Reserve statistics.
  • A scaling back of consumer spending to a sustainable 64% of GDP
    would reduce consumer spending by $500 billion per year. This would
    allow Americans to save and invest in the country. This is considered
    crazy talk in the Keynesian economic circles.
  • The anticipation of QE2 has already made the dollar drop 10% and
    gold, silver and oil jump 10%. Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve are
    conducting an experiment on the American people. What they are doing
    today has never been attempted in human history. It boils down to
    whether the authorities can cure a disease brought on by too much debt
    by doubling and tripling the dosage of debt. If this experiment fails,
    the dollar collapse and possible hyperinflation would lead to anarchy.
    Ben is confident it might work. Are you?
  • Social Security and Medicare have an unfunded liability exceeding
    $100 trillion. There is no money in a lockbox. Congress opened the
    lockbox and spent the money. Baby boomers are turning 50 years old at a
    rate of 10,000 per day. There is no possibility that the promises made
    to Americans by politicians can be honored. No politician of either
    party will tell the truth to the American public. A massive reduction in
    benefits or a massive increase in taxes would be required to deliver on
    this promise.
  • The 2,000 page Obamacare bill that no one in Congress read was sold
    to the American people as a cost saving, care enhancing package of
    goodies. The reality is that it will increase the national debt by
    hundreds of billions, ration care, drive more doctors into retirement,
    strangle small business with onerous regulations and enrich the
    insurance companies and drug companies. The unintended consequences will
    be devastating.
  • Total military expenditures for the entire world are $1.9 trillion
    annually. The US accounts for $900 billion of this expenditure. This is 7
    times as much as the next largest spender – China.
  • The wars of choice in the Middle East since 2001 have cost unborn
    generations of Americans $1.1 trillion so far, with a final cost likely
    reaching $3 trillion. Just like Donald Rumsfeld estimated.  Over 5,700
    Americans have lost their lives and another 39,000 have been wounded.
    The casualties in the countries that have been invaded number in the
    hundreds of thousands. Are we better off than we were on September 10,
  • Defense spending in 2000 was $359 billion or 3.6% of GDP. Today it
    is $900 billion or 6.1% of GDP. Every dime of these expenditures is
    borrowed. Are we safer today?
  • The Department of Energy was created in 1979 in order to create an
    energy policy that would reduce our dependence on foreign oil. The
    United States, which makes up 4% of the world’s population, consumes 25%
    of the world’s oil on a daily basis. In 1970 we imported 24% of our
    oil. Today we import 70% of our oil.
  • Over 50% of our oil imports come from countries whose populations
    hate the US. Mexico, which accounts for 9% of our current oil supply,
    will become a net importer by 2015.
  • The US has not built a new nuclear power plant or oil refinery since 1980.
  • The existing energy infrastructure is rusting away. 80% to 90% of
    the system must be rebuilt. The cost of rebuilding the infrastructure
    will be $50 – $100 trillion. We have no blueprints, few supplies and
    fewer trained engineers and construction workers.
  • Peak oil is a fact. World liquid oil production peaked at 86 million
    barrels per day in 2006. It has not reached that level since, even when
    prices soared to $145 per barrel. Demand will move relentlessly upward
    as China and India and the rest of the developing world march forward.
  • The US Military has concluded in a report put out a few months ago
    that by 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear,
    and as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 MBD.
    A severe energy crunch is inevitable without a massive expansion of
    production and refining capacity. While it is difficult to predict
    precisely what economic, political, and strategic effects such a
    shortfall might produce, it surely would reduce the prospects for growth
    in both the developing and developed worlds.


David Walker was in a ship well ahead of the US Titanic crossing the
Atlantic. He saw the dangerous icebergs floating in the ocean. He sent a
message to the Captains (Bush, Obama) and Executive Officers
(Greenspan, Bernanke, Paulson, Geithner) of the US Titianic that there
was danger ahead. They should have reduced speed and doubled the
lookouts. Instead they listened to the Managing Director of the cruise
line (Wall Street) and increased speed. The US Titanic was unsinkable.
When the inevitable collision with the iceberg occurred, those in
command chose to disbelieve the possibility that the mighty ship could
sink. The nearest ship was four hours away. If the US Titanic had
stopped immediately after striking the iceberg, it would have remained
afloat until the rescue ship arrived. Instead, the masters of the
ship chose to keep going as the compartments below the surface continued
to fill with water. Reputation and hubris drove them to take these

Those in command knew that there was only room on the lifeboats for
1,100 people. There were 2,200 people onboard. It is interesting to note
that 60% of the First Class (the ruling elite) passengers survived the
sinking, while less than 25% of the Third Class (working middle class)
and crew survived.

David Walker has presented a case for inter-generational sacrifice.
Are today’s generations willing to keep robbing future generations of
Americans by being fiscally irresponsible today? Every borrowed dollar
spent today is a tax on future generations. Are we selfish enough to
leave our children and grandchildren with an un-payable burden so that
we can live well today? Don’t the Wall Street bankers and Washington
politicians have children and grandchildren? It is immoral and
despicable that American leaders and its citizens aren’t willing or able
to make the tough choices needed to save the ship of state. Every great
empire withered away due to the accumulation of bad decisions. Ask
yourself whether this country has made the right choices in the last 30
years. Are we making the right choices today? If you are honest, the
answer is NO. We’ve hit the iceberg. The ending is unavoidable.

Sing us a song of the century
That’s louder than bombs and eternity
The era of static and contraband
That’s leading us into the promised land
Tell us a story that’s by candlelight
Waging a war and losing the fight

They’re playing the song of the century
of panic and promise and prosperity
Tell me a story into that goodnight

Sing us a song for me …

                            Green Day – Song of the Century

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NOTW777's picture

remember how much the left complained about deficits when GW was president.  now its a non issue?

Shiznit Diggity's picture

Remember how the right didn't make a peep about deficits when GW was president? Remember Dick "Deficits Don't Matter" Cheney?



oddjob's picture

Remember how Newt Gingrich cut goverment spending and Bill Clinton took the credit.

Uncle Remus's picture

Remember how divide and conquer politics as usual will march us further down the road to serfdom and keep us from properly decorating the lamp posts on Wall Street?

midtowng's picture

+1000 for properly decorating the lamp posts on Wall Street.

snowball777's picture

Tres Fab Fab. I love what you've done with the place.

aint no fortunate son's picture

I'll bump it +1000 for decorating the lamp posts... make that an even +2000 and throw in the gulag for good measure

Confused's picture

Thanks for pointing out whats really important. Choosing sides is a fools game. 

Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

Remember how they shut down the government entire to do so.

merehuman's picture

remember when the media used to Investigate and report? Lol whos your sponsor.

Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

America has no sponsor, they have not started the program yet.  Starts soon, this month, maybe next.

"Hi.  My name is America and I have an entitlement complex."

tomdub_1024's picture

lol, 2 thumbs up for merehuman and lennonhendrix, these comments were clear, to the point, with wonderful scenematic transitions that lead the viewer to ....unforegone conclusions that render the viewer blah, blah, blah...

Seriously, though, very nice comments, just having a wee bit of fun on a Friday night...if that's allowed these days....;)

Seer's picture

Gingrich cut spending?  Really?  A hero of yours?  The same Gingrich whose district received MORE federal $$s than any other district in the US with the exception of D.C.?

Thanks for playing!

snowball777's picture

And was cheating on his wife while wasting the country's time chasing Clinton over his dick.

Slimy? Crawls on its belly?

Must be Newt!

Jim Quinn's picture

You forgot that his wife had cancer when he was cheating on her, so that makes it ok. Ask John Edwards.

BobWatNorCal's picture

"Remember how the right didn't make a peep about deficits when GW was president?"

Only because you only read the MSM.
Try googling PorkBusters some time. The Repub party was silent, the right was vigorously active.

Instant Karma's picture

Is it not obvious that the combination of an anti-business President and a literally insane Congress has driven the economy off a cliff. The Federal Reserve can do nothing but attempt to serve as an air bag when the car hits the ground. The Fed would be better off doing nothing, letting interest rates soar, and let the pain hit. That would lead to better political policy. That's the way it used to work in the old days. The Fed called the shots.

Rainman's picture

Both parties are two sides of the same coin when it comes to spending what they ain't got.

David Walker is the modern day Paul Revere. A great patriot with courage to speak his mind. 

midtowng's picture

The economy went off a cliff when Bush was still in office. The housing bubble burst when the Republicans still controlled Congress.

Clark_Griswold Hedge Mnger's picture

It not Bush's fault, its not Clinton's fault-its both and many more before them.  You are being suckered into the pointing fingures arguement.

Left- Right- its all noise to distract you from what is going on.

The nightmare we are in now is due to 30+ years of "its all about me" politicians from both parties.


Its the small elitist bs, just different flavoring.

Both sides have utterly failed to do their job.

Its not "We the People"

its "We the Special Interest (with deep pockets) in order to form a more profitable Union on the backs of the little people."


We (the little people) have been way to lazy and have not held enough people accountable for their incompetance, I am as guilty of it as the next guy, and am certainly trying to make up for it now.

samseau's picture

Because had the democrats been in power, they would have done better?


Please, everyone, drop the partisan politics.  



Ned Zeppelin's picture

Yeah, you're right. Bush had us on the right track.

Figure out that they are all the same yet?


QQQBall's picture

Air Bag? They are transferring wealth from savers and prudent to imprudent, BK Bansters. More like Wind bags trying to talk up asset prices. I have a better idea, we do not need private banksters to control our currency -

Seer's picture

Anti-business?  What the fuck have you been smoking?  Did you miss who the fuck is getting all the money these days?

I'd aver that THE problem is ignorance, such as you've demonstrated...

Jake3463's picture

Both political parties are utterly corrupt and responsible.  Trying to blame the GOP or the DNC or the right wing politicians or the left wing politicians is ridiculous.


Every 2 years we are given a choice of 2 idiots.  I watched the Angle/Reid debate.  Both of them were retarded.  If I was in Nevada I'd write in Genital Warts because it seem preferable to either of those people representing me.

Rainman's picture

Ever since government employment was taken over by the unions the pool of intelligence in most electeds has shrunken dramatically.....along with the nation's net worth. Maybe that's just a coincidence...... nevertheless, seems the responsible, sane, honest and intelligent people avoid the cesspool politics has become. 

We're stuck with the gimmes to the end, I'm afraid.....hope I'm wrong ( sigh ). 

Jake3463's picture

I don't really think it was the unions as much as career people in the government who take their jobs seriously being replaced by political hacks who trade their public positions with that of a lobbyist when their party is out of power.

There was something to be said about someone who spent 30 years in government trying to get the next pay grade advance.   Alas, they've been replaced with people looking for connections so that they can sell it in the private sector for privileged treatment of the organization they represent. 

I'm not really that worried about the union garbage man as I am as the Goldman kid who takes a 2 year gig at the SEC and than goes back to Goldman.


Seer's picture

Yeah, it's the little people who are to blame.  Whatever you do don't acknowledge the elephant in the room (the financial sector, which has walked away with our economic future).

To leverage an old phrase, "It's the System, stupid!"

Oh, and further, the fight is all over diminishing resources.  Doesn't matter what groups are in charge of what, massive upheaval will occur because of a lack of resources.  Growth, that's the real beast, but no one will admit it, instead, folks couch excuses in a bunch of pre-dictated sound bites...

Clark_Griswold Hedge Mnger's picture

How interesting elections would be it there was a


None of the Above option

TwelfthVulture's picture

With a necessary proviso that should "None of the Above" win, all, and I mean ALL candidates on the ballot are barred from running for the same office for two election cycles.


ILikeBoats's picture

I'd write in Colonel Angus - he is a lot more fun.

iconoclast63's picture

This is not about political parties! Sheesh!

As a matter of fact, the disintegration of our republic was predicted succinctly by a Democratic-Republican named Andrew Jackson on July 10, 1832.

To wit:

It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their selfish purposes. Distinctions in society will always exist under every just government. Equality of talents, of education, or of wealth can not be produced by human institutions. In the full enjoyment of the gifts of Heaven and the fruits of superior industry, economy, and virtue, every man is equally entitled to protection by law; but when the laws undertake to add to these natural and just advantages artificial distinctions, to grant titles, gratuities, and exclusive privileges, to make the rich richer and the potent more powerful, the humble members of society-the farmers, mechanics, and laborers-who have neither the time nor the means of securing like favors to themselves, have a right to complain of the injustice of their Government. There are no necessary evils in government. Its evils exist only in its abuses. If it would confine itself to equal protection, and as Heaven does its rains, shower its favors alike on the high and the low, the rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing.



G-R-U-N-T's picture
"The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default:
by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles."
-Ayn Rand, Capitalism The Unknown Idea, 1966
The wrong people, and a surprisingly small number of them have control of the main stream media, political, and the university system which is helping facilitate America's destruction.
Deep down inside, I believe that most Americans know that certain basic principles are and have been violated by evil self serving forces that think they have a better way. Of course, "their better way" is their own or our eventual annihilation. The question is how much pain will the American people allow themselves to be in before they are motivated to effect change.
Principles before personalities...critical thinking people who have a sense of their own autonomy and self worth are self actualized and value their personal freedom. These principled Americans will eventually lead the charge against the few parasitical perverted subjugating minds. It may be bloody but it will happen.
I would also like to point out that I think many in America don't have a sense of identity whether it is in themselves or in America itself. This, unfortunately, leaves them vulnerable to other people's images weakening the ability of patriotic Americans whom know that deep down inside upholding the Constitution is the ultimate patriotic ideal as a nation.
RabidLemming's picture

remember when comments on ZH where intelligent, non-partisan, on topic, witty, and thought provoking?'s picture

i don't think i remember that time, oops senior moment again.

NOTW777's picture

MSM no longer mentions presidential polls, body count in Afghan or Iraq, deficits or expense of wars

Jake3463's picture

Ask any "leftie" they can tell you.  In fact, we are being treated by the President the same way over objections to a trillion dollar war when our country is falling apart as we were in 2008.  Why do you think Obama is out there begging for people to stop whining.

snowball777's picture

Funny how you never see the TeaPotDomeExpress discussing how much we're throwing down these rabbitholes when they get hot under the collar about our fiscal straits.

lynnybee's picture

I guess we've been on a burning platform for a while.   I just don't remember things being like this when I was a kid.    I remember just putting money in a passbook savings account & earning interest on it !    There was no such thing as IRA's, 401K's ........ WE DIDN'T NEED THEM !!  There was no "financial sector", we just put money in a damn bank and earned interest on it !    GET RID OF "these people" ........ they (& i assume that means Rubin, Greenspan, Summers, et al) have literally ruined us all.

Arkadaba's picture

Interest in a savings account - what's that?

Seer's picture

"we just put money in a damn bank and earned interest on it"

It's the same, only that things have multiplied at rates that have brought the inevitible chrashing sooner than would have happened otherwise.

Ask yourself just how it is that you are able to do NOTHING and expect to get more (money)?  If everyone did that?  Do you really think that That would be possible?

What happened was that that money was used to exploit resources and people elsewhere.  You just didn't see it happening.  That was the false "Leave It To Beaver" era.  If you think we can go back there you're horribly mistaken.

Time for people to grow up and face the fact that we've all been involved in a fraud, the fraud of perpetual growth...'s picture

my mom use to keep all (lots) of her stock certificates in her safety deposit box she so didn't trust bankers or investment firms.

99er's picture


The Growing Anger Pattern?


The Shafted Pattern?


The Asia Tells America To Fuck Off On Sunday Night Pattern


Have a great weekend!

Lord Welligton's picture

No offence old bean.

But what is the difference between charts and throwing chicken bones in the air and interpreting the manner of the landing of the bones?

Both require belief.

Neither has fundamental value.