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Guest Post: America Needs Community, Not Collectivism

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Submitted by Giordano Bruno of Neithercorp Press

America Needs Community, Not Collectivism

Tyranny thrives by feeding on human necessity. It examines what
sustains us, what we hope for, what we desire, what we love, and uses
those needs as leverage against us. If you want safety, they will take
it away and barter it back to you at a steep price. If you want success
or respect, then you must bow to the existing arbitrary pecking order
and play the game nicely. If you want to raise a family, then you must
accept the state as a part-time parent. If you want kinship, then you
must settle for a thin veneer of empty pleasantries and insincere
associations. If you want independence, then you are simply labeled as a
threat and done away with altogether. Autocratic rulers are first and
foremost salesmen; they convince us that life itself has a “cost”, that
we are born indebted, and all bills must be made payable to the
establishment. First and foremost, we are sold on the idea that in all
of this, we are ultimately alone…

It is within these manipulated concepts of cost and isolation that we
discover the foundation of all totalitarian cultures: Collectivism.

Collectivism is not a space age invention or a product of the
abstract musings of Marxists, though many seem to think that their
version of a hive society is “new” and certainly better than anything
ever attempted in the past. No, collectivism is a psychological prison
derived from a beneficial instinct as old as humanity itself; the
instinct to connect with others, to share experiences and knowledge, to
build and create together. It is an instinct as essential to our
survival as breathing. Collectivism uses this instinct as a weapon. It
is a corrupted and poisoned harnessing of our intuitive nature. It is
an inadequate and cancerous substitute for something which normally
invigorates and supports healthy culture: true community.

In this age, our ideas of what constitutes “community” have been
tainted and confused with the propaganda of collectivists. Our
instincts tell us that the world we have been presented is hollow, while
our controlled environment tells us that the world is just as it should
be (or the best we’re going to get, anyway). How then, are we to tell
the difference between natural community, and destabilizing and
destructive collectivism? Let’s examine some of the root conflicts
between these two social systems, as well as the philosophical
shortcomings of collectivism itself…

Common Aspects Of Collectivism

Looking back at the single minded and highly dominating collectivist
experiments of the past, it is easy to see the common threads between
them. Certain methods are always present. Certain actions are always
taken. Certain beliefs are always adopted. Here are just a few…

The Blank Slate: In order for the state to
elevate itself in importance above the individual, it must first
promote the idea that the individual does not exist, that your
uniqueness or inherent character are only a byproduct of your
environment. There are many methods to propagating this mindset. Junk
science and establishment psychological theorists often treat the human
mind as a mere bundle of chemicals and synapses. Emotions are
pigeonholed as “hormonal reactions”. Conscience and even attachment a
result of “conditioning” (i.e. H.F. Harlow’s ridiculous rhesus monkey

Existentialism attacks individualism from the philosophical end;
suggesting that all actions and reactions are random results of a purely
chaotic universe, while at the same time peddling moral relativism and
apathy. If all is based on environment and chance, and there is no
purpose or meaning to life, then why care about anything?

Religious organizations that choose to abuse their positions of trust
also feed collectivism by standing in the way of personal awareness, or
even making it taboo to value the individual over the collective
(though people tend to wrongly blame the concept of religion itself,
rather than the corrupt men who sometimes misuse it).

Each one of these tactics is a tool in the arsenal of collectivists
meant to degrade our social admiration for individual thought. Of
course, if one actually studies beyond mainstream sources for
information (as we have in numerous articles) on the many biological
mysteries of the human mind, the numerous inconsistencies of clinical
psychiatry, the irrational assumptions of existentialism, that person
would find that the blank slate assertion is filled with so many holes
it is laughable. However, as long as groups of men strive for power
over others, the attacks on individualism will continue. As desperate
as elitists have been through the years to build an environment devoid
of independent thought, they have met only with failure. Perhaps you
just can’t remove from all people those values which are inborn and
intuitive, no matter how monstrous the world is around us.

Centralization Instead Of Cooperation:
Cooperation in society is often spontaneous and dependent on a number of
underlying factors working together at the right place, and at the
right time. It takes a noble endeavor and even more noble leadership
indeed to inspire the masses to step onto the same path towards the same
direction. This is why legitimate large scale cooperation is so
venerated in the annals of history; such events are truly rare and
miraculous. Tyrants and elitists have no endeavors that rank as
“noble”. They serve only their own interests. So, instead of trying to
encourage cooperation they won’t receive, they centralize various
systems by coercion. If you can’t convince the public to abandon their
own paths for yours, then forcefully remove all paths until the people
have only one choice left.

Economic centralization is very indicative of this maneuver. While
we in the Liberty Movement see a whole spectrum of possible options for
markets and trade, many other people see only what is right in front of
them; the same crooked fiat money system controlled by the same gaggle
of fraudulent central bankers. A large portion of our populace has been
convinced that there is only one way to participate in the economy, and
thus they act collectively, and blindly.

Another obvious example is the false left/right political system.
While there are as many political views as there are people, most tend
to affiliate themselves with one of two; Republican or Democrat. Even
if you were to believe that the two major parties are honestly opposed,
you have still allowed the establishment to narrow your choices down to
two. Add the fact that both major parties actually support nearly the
same exact policies and goals, and now your choices have been narrowed
to one. Millions of people jump on this one bandwagon every four years,
thinking that they are cooperating voluntarily, when they have instead
been centralized, and collectivized.

Constant Fear, Constant Threats: Fear and
survival are powerful motivators. Without ample self awareness and
strength of character, these base instincts can overwhelm rationality
and conscience. Every collectivist feudalist system ever devised has
used a “common enemy” or an iron hand, to quell dissent in the citizenry
and to forcefully unify them not under the auspices of an honest cause,
but a terror so profound as to drive them to malleable despair.

When life and death hang in the balance everyday, and people have no
time to relax, they can in fact go literally mad. All logic flies out
the window, panic ensues, and the masses turn to whoever is ready to
offer them a way to sanity; “sanity” meaning “comfort”. After a period
of constant danger and distress, even fascism can feel comfortable for a
while. Collectivist systems are always clashing with the bubbling
tides of individual freedom. Because of this, they must continuously
qualify their usefulness. There must always be an imminent threat over
the horizon, otherwise, the strangling regulations of the state serve no

Individualism Equated With “Selfishness”:
One of the inevitable conditions of collectivism is the demonization of
free thought. In a collective, every person becomes a cog in a great
machine. The majority begins to see itself not as a group of
individuals acting together, but as a single unit with a single purpose.
Any person who chooses to step outside of the box and point out a
different view becomes a danger to the whole. A machine cannot function
if all the parts are not working in harmony. Disagreement in a
collectivist system is not considered a civic duty; it is considered a
crime that places everyone else at risk. As a dissenter, you are not a
person, but a malfunction that must be dealt with.

It is easy to tell when your nation is turning towards collectivism;
you only have to gauge how often you are accused of “selfishness” every
time you question the needs of the state over the needs of the
individual. This argument arises incessantly in countries on the verge
of a despotic shift. Interestingly, it is selfishness that tends to
drive collectivists, not individualists. As we discussed earlier,
collectivists act out of base fear, and a personal desire to survive
regardless of the expense. They may disguise it as duty, or “universal
love”, but at bottom, they are driven by pure self-interested. They are
willing to sacrifice anything, including their own souls, to hang onto
what little they have. They are especially willing to sacrifice what
YOU have, to maintain THEIR standard of living, or to see their personal
world view enacted. Is there anything more self-centered than a man
prepared to destroy the livelihood and freedoms of others just to feel
temporarily secure?

Promises Of A Fantastic Future:
“Innovation” and “progress” are alluring dreams, dreams which can easily
be realized in a free society made up of intelligent individuals
thinking in ways which go against the norm. The more unique insights
present in a culture, the more likely it is to surpass itself and
succeed. Strangely though, it always seems to be collectivists who
throw around visions of high tech trains, floating cities, and
sustainability as benefits to relinquishing certain freedoms. The
insinuation is that if people set aside their individualism, their
society becomes stronger, and more productive, like worker bees who only
strive for one thing; the perfect hive.

Now, this has never been proven to be an advantage of collectivism.
One could say given the evidence that a society flourishes less and
contributes less the more centralized it becomes. Constructing
immaculate castles, pyramids, magnetic highways, or space stations on
the moon, does not necessarily make a culture great. It doesn’t even
make a culture interesting. What is far more interesting is a society
that seeks to enrich the lives of common men, rather than fabricating
edifices and launching technologies while using people up as fuel for
the collectivist fire. At any rate, I cannot think of a single extreme
centralized system that actually delivered on the grand promises it made
when in its initial stages of power. Whether this is because their
pledges were impossible to fulfill, or because they never intended to
fulfill them in the first place, is hard to say…

Common Aspects Of Community

Now that we have explored the intricacies of collectivism, let’s take
a look at what it is designed to destroy. What makes real community?
What are its benefits and its weaknesses? How does it begin? How does
it end? Why is it such a threat to collectivists? Here are a few

Real Purpose: Communities develop in light
of meaningful exchange. Their purpose is natural and common. Their
goals are not fixed, but evolve as the community progresses. The
beneficiaries are the citizenry, sometimes even those who do not
directly participate, rather than a select minority of elites. Because
the actions of communities are decentralized, and based on a sense of
honor and integrity instead of egomania, they tend to appear
direction-less, while at the same time making vast and concrete
achievements. Communities work best when purpose and destiny are self

Voluntary Participation: There is no need
to force people to participate in a system that operates on honesty,
conscience, and individual will. In fact, many people today long for a
system like this. When men and women apply their energies to something
they believe in, instead of something they are manipulated into
following, the results can be spectacular. Progress becomes second
nature, an afterthought, instead of an unhealthy obsession.

Legitimate Respect: The purpose of a true
community is not to keep tabs on the personal lives of its participants,
nor to mold their notions. The rights of the individual are respected
above all else. Again, the more varied the insights of a population,
the stronger it becomes. For a community to attempt to stifle the
viewpoints of its citizens would be to commit suicide. There is
strength in numbers, but even greater strength in variety.
Individualism takes effort, time, and dedication. A society made up of
people who have made this journey cannot help but esteem each other.

Flexibility Leads To Stability: A wise man
adopts that which works, and throws out that which fails. He does not
dismiss methods out of hand, nor does he hang onto methods that
disappoint simply because he cannot let go. He educates himself through
experience. Adaptability, flexibility, agility in thought and in
policy creates solid ground for a society to build. Communities survive
by being able to admit when a mistake has been made, and by being open
to new options. Rigid systems, like collectivist systems, cannot
function unless the people conform to the establishment, and its
deficiencies. Communities function best when the establishment conforms
to the people, and the truth.

Mutual Aid: Collectivist systems are
notorious for promoting the idea that “we are all one”, however, they
usually end up becoming the most anti-social and uncaring cultures to
grace the planet. You cannot centralize or enforce charity because then
it is no longer charity, but slavery. Citizens of communities, on the
other hand, actually seek to help each other, not because they expect
immediate returns, or because it’s “good for the state”, but because
they value an atmosphere of benevolence. The generosity of community
helps individuals detach from dependence on government, or bureaucracy.
The less dependence on centralized authority, the stronger and safer
everyone becomes.

Mutual Defense: While collectivism
sacrifices its participants for some undefined “greater good”,
communities defend one another, knowing that if the fate of one’s
neighbor is ignored, the fate of oneself may also be ignored by others.
No one is “expendable” in a community. EVERYONE is expendable in a

Building Community In A Modern World

The task of constructing meaningful community today is daunting, but
crucial. In an increasingly centralized and desensitized world, the
only recourse of the honorable is to decentralize, and to reintroduce
the model of independence once again. This starts with self sufficient
communities and solid principles. It starts with unabashed and
unwavering pride in the values of sovereignty and liberty. It starts
with a relentless pursuit of balance, and truth. It starts with an
incredible amount of hard work.

The trappings of collectivism sometimes seem insurmountable. The
mindless devotion of our friends and family to a system that harms them
can cause us to lose hope, and to lose focus. We must remember how
collectivism operates; by removing the power of choice from the
equation. If we return that power, then many people who we may have
once deemed “lost causes” might awaken as well. By exposing the masses
to another option, a better option, we undo years of lies, and lengths
of chain. If there was ever a perfect moment to begin this battle, now
is the time; while Americans are still searching for solutions, and not
too fearful to pursue them once they are found.


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Fri, 01/28/2011 - 22:30 | 915280 gorillaonyourback
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very nice, its does not have to be this way, BUT yes you/we have to fight for our fredom everyday in this world or someone or some entity will consider its competive advantage and use your lazy ass attitude against you.  now that inherently implies the survival of the fittest argument but if you consider yourself your brothers keeper your gonna have to fight for those lazy ass SOBs freedoms too.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:39 | 915479 CPL
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Yeah I read communist bum between the lines as well.  If someone wants a walk in park then prove they deserve one.  Article is obilvious written by an asshole under 30 and in mom's basement.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:58 | 915493 CPL
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Not at you gorilla


To further be an asshole, why not collect a bunch of other assholes and redevelop Detriot.  You can literally buy it all for a thousand dollars.  If some dipshit like yourself could work all of ....ummmmm... a week along with your moron room mates and club members you could change an area of universe that HAS infrastructure with a very poor core to it.


Somehow, just by reading the article of nonsense, you couldn't organise a cat fight.  Meeting people is harder than getting toothpaste back in the tube for yourself.  You are not the call to arms.  You are a boob.  Snook.  Moron from the burbs.

Want to do something important?  It isn't spewing leftist horseshit.  It's doing something fuck nut.  So here's a plan.


Step one:  Get off your ass.

Step two:  Put down the bong.

Step three: ??????

Step four:  Everyone gets together and does something constructive.


You are offering your fathers solution, you are just trying to avoid that whole "work" thing.


If you aren't willing to work, guess what, your future is going to be very, very...starving.  I'm not feeding anyone for free.  Force me to feed you.  The salt goes on the feild the next day, enjoy a dirt sandwich.  Cities and suburbs don't grow food, white people don't harvest and cities don't plan.


That's life sparky.


Your rebutal?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:01 | 915509 CPL
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For that matter I'm surprised you didn't spew up participatory economics...just as pointless

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:20 | 915538 mouser98
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i didn't see any attack on the concept of private property in there.  i saw it more as an explanation of how free societies will better take care of their fellows than any so called "collective society".

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:13 | 915601 CPL
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If wiping people's asses is your life's is a decision then you do it.  In Canada it's called Personal Support worker, PSW, it requires a degree to wipe an ass in Canada.  Seriously.  No nurse will ever touch it, at least my wife anymore.


If the collective requires one, then all you have in your hand is a squirt and jug...junior.  Not that the suburbs taught you much more than that.  Or you wished to.  Asshole.  Fuckin' retarded piece of is freedom related to this asswipe again?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:56 | 915642 Stormdancer
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rofl!  Did you even read the piece?  (Yes, I junked every one of your irrelevant posts :))

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 03:40 | 915667 CPL
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Yes I did, all I read was bum for hire.  Bum for hire.  The Bum for hire.  The bum for hire.


You ever work voluenteer work, doubt it.  In Canada a welfare piece of trash can work a voluenteer gig, claim thier check unless under a ruling (like state welfare horsehit under refugee claims...recent examples are the refugees that Canada accepted bu the US anf Austrailia rejected...twice..three times depending on the country).  Basically do nothing, and get a check.  I'm glad you like the idea of not working.  Put you right in the pocket of where you need to be.  Basically a bum.  Sorry to your parents, bu tif you wish to get job, work I have fields that need working.  $14 an hour, some costs are covered...well, doesn't matter your parent have you covered until they are dead as stumps and need to be removed like them.  Let me know when you need a job, April I'm looking for 26 people.


I'll see you on the other side of oil @ 140...oh yeah...bitch.  You will do a lot of things you never thought possible in your life.   Good things and nasty things. 


Luachey dneu, go for broke buther.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:22 | 915609 CPL
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YOu didn't exactly explain how you were going to start a workers paradise detriot.  If you do it there I might be willing to listen.  But since it hasn't been done versus know... a job given...I and others are waiting for the solution.  However we are over 30 and are worthless therefore we don't need to help out.


Why does this sound so yeah..its our kids.  Cannot wait for the power of the flat line of X, Y and Z generations.  We will all talk later about the uses of lime and bleach and then how fast everyone is willing to adopt it.  Assholes.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:19 | 915808 financeguru500
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I would like to personally thank you, as well as most everyone of your generation who sold my generation down the river so you could have cheap goods made in China. You speak of working yet those of my generation who go to college for science degree's striving to work have no where to work because someone in India is doing it for cheaper.

The chance we had as a country to stay powerful was back in the 70's and 80's when our big companies were moving overseas. I guess your generation was too busy smoking pot to do anything about it. You can get off your high horse and work at the local walmart for the rest of your life for all I care. I can't wait till when your old enough to claim that social security check that you find out there's nothing left for you.

Your Generation is whats wrong with our country.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:21 | 915886 Bobbyrib
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Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:15 | 915994 aerojet
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God damn, I hate that kind of arrogance.  Let me explain something about Generation X to you.  Shit, I hate those labels!  Let me explain something about every generation that has had to deal with the fucking Boomers--they're all SOL because just about to a person, they (we) have never been afforded the chance to do much of anything.  Every damn job I have had so far in my life (I'm almost 40) has been the same damn job--the pay hasn't always been bad, but there's never been one single chance to move up to anything because I was constantly fighting the Boomer tide.  You know what would have been nice?  Just one time to have had someone older called a mentor bring me along and grease the skids just a little bit.  It never happened.  I did everything "right" but the game somehow changed. There's plenty of guys more screwed than I am, so I guess I shouldn't complain, but damn, what a waste it has all been to work hard in this country and get higher degrees and buy into the fascist machine.  I now wish I was just a farmer!

So go on and I about the flat line you smug bastard, but don't for a second overlook who caused it!



Sat, 01/29/2011 - 14:14 | 916279 nasa
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Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:38 | 915622 CPL
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Just to put you further over the edge, I've not paid for my eldest son's college not because he doesn't need it, but he doesn't deserve it with a 50-70% GPA and he's taking a fag-assed arts degree instead of a useful degree like engineering, medicine or science.  Could not stand paying for a pot degree.  My daughter coming up has seen her brother under the spotlight and reestimated her requirements of university and decided on baker.


There is a finite amount of money in the universe and it is not for a six year degree.  Guess what?  Your mum and dad are coming to yank their savings from your mouth soon child.  Once that is done, you will learn how to be an adult once the third burger is flipped.


At least my son did.  So will you.  WHy is it always the first and third child that think that the sun shines out of their ass.  Someday, someone will care, until then not a fuck will be given.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 03:04 | 915648 philgramm
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Looks like somebody needs a hit from the bong

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 03:22 | 915653 gorillaonyourback
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oops sry cpl didnt see not at you gorilla

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 03:29 | 915660 skippy
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You are a fine provider of cannon fodder , salute self made man!

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 03:50 | 915670 CPL
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Thank you university.


You shall all be amazing....sorry ran out of steam.  Just like how the money runs out this year and you must all get a goddam job.

Mom is now dead, that's a pot, that's a pan.  Move your own ass to the stove.  Fucking boobs.


May they all die of cancer as they should and the sad fact is I'll live longer than you skinny/fat slobs.  For ten years I hire Mexican's.  They can actually work.  If you twinks wish to work I have spots open.  $14 an hour, you can live in one of my apartments I provide, Ontario, It's your to discover.  If you pick your own place then I give it to one of the lads that works for a living. for a living...???  Fuck me, can't even get a Canuck to work a days labour.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 06:52 | 915709 skippy
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May I have a barrow of your orb of enlightenment, the truth spills forth from your lips like fine young things having their head shoved over a crack in the ground.


Skippy....only question is how far the mental pedophiles limb reaches up your posterior to induce such clarity of others not   

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:01 | 915962 SamuelMaverick
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CPL, the article was against collectivism / socialism / communism. 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:21 | 915969 SamuelMaverick
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oops, duplicate post

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 07:06 | 915717 Michael
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I made a new Youtube in honor of the world wide revolution.

Homey D. Clown comes out of hiding to support the Revolution. He don't like that Police State Shit, nor da man, thus Revolution. Yours is a peaceful revolution to keep your freedoms and liberty. But when push comes to shove, sacrifices will be made, and they know it. They also know, they can't get all of us.

Homey D. Clown Don't Play Dat Police State Shit Thus Revolution

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 08:42 | 915749 Hephasteus
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Yanked. They really hate you michael.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:14 | 915804 johnnynaps
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This Homey "the" D. Clown is debt free at 31 and working on a 2nd degree (which will not put me into indebtedness) and he doesn't like the police state either. If mom and dad were able to bang outside in the park.......then why can't we? Oh, you mean they took our tax dollars and put "security cameras" in the park?! Wait a minute, our county is broke and they put in more cameras? Who made that prudent financial decision? Oh yeah, a baby boomer.

Get off your high horse asshole. We don't want to conform to your social norm because it strips us  Generation X and Y'ers of liberty while paying us a disgraced wage. We have to hit that bong to remain sane while your "peers" make the most ridiculous fiscal decisions to futher rip our communities and liberties apart.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:24 | 915892 Bobbyrib
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Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:21 | 916008 aerojet
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Every fucked up thing I have ever experienced in my entire life has had the signature of some Baby Boomer control freak all over it.  It gotten so that I am numb to all of it. I just want to run these people down with my car.  I recognize that not all of them are bad, but I simply can't keep being fucked by them any longer and not do something about it.  I kind of think that's why that asshole in Tucson went crazy and shot Giffords.  I don't get why he shot the little girl, but I guess when you finally go over the edge into madness, you tend to lose control completely.  I don't see how we don't have a mass shooting every day in this stupid country.


Want to fix things?  Suffocate a boomer that has control over something.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 20:07 | 916975 A Nanny Moose
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You seems to have fallen into the trappings of collectivism. Free your mind.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 00:16 | 917355 pan-the-ist
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I've said it before and I will say it again.  The fucking boomers managed, in one generation, to fuck up everything the greatest generation fought and died for.  Fuck them.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 00:20 | 917357 uraniuman
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aerojet - you appear to be peeing upwind. I didn't get a net worth of 8 figures by whining online about my elders. It usually takes 40 years of hard work and a little luck  - a Boomer Farmer

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 00:26 | 917365 pan-the-ist
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You're enjoying those subsidies.  Do you even work your field or do you just collect the dough from the government?  Fucking socialist.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 00:59 | 917405 uraniuman
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Yes , I work a1000 acres all by myself, with the biggest fucking equipment I can buy. The subsidies? Don't need it - give it away to ungrateful pissannts - like you.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 21:56 | 919027 pan-the-ist
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I am sure that you'll rationalize those government handouts somehow, just like your queen Shelly Bachmann.

Sun, 01/30/2011 - 03:00 | 917505 Sean7k
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As long as we target each other, rather than the people who are responsible- they win. It is important you understand this. The elites have always used the divide and conquer technique- to pit us against each other. Will you so easily fall for their trap?

The only hope we have is if we stand together...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:23 | 916016 GreenSideUp
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Homey, this boomer has been fighting for your, my and everyone else's liberty since before you were born.  And speaking of security cameras, at a local meeting a couple of years ago, your Gen X and Y peers couldn't pull themselves off the bong long enough to show up and speak out against them.  Either that, or they were too busy swooning over the Teleprompter in Chief.  

So get off your high horse already.  This tyranny didn't come upon us overnight.  Quit blaming some faceless collective and join the community of those who are at least attempting to dismantle the police state.   

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 20:27 | 917011 johnnynaps
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Ok! Good one! The people don't make decisions, Congress does! Congress- 535 blood-sucking Boomers.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 05:15 | 915688 Realist
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Yeah, fuck all of this trying to get along with each other shit. What we need is more arbitrary name calling. That's how you prove you're a mature adult!

In all seriousness though, I actually think that what would get us out of this economic mess would be if people stopped trying so hard. If people sat around and smoked more bongs, they might actually think about what they were doing more instead of just watching the trends trying to choose which wave to ride. 

If people put more time into reading books and less into working boring meaningless jobs that don't actually seem to accomplish anything, it might actually be fun to socialize again, and folks might want to help each other along the way, rather than being paid to. If you don't want to smoke it CPL, that's fine, but at least let me grow it, because someone has to do something to soak up all of the CO2 you're spewing out.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:35 | 916041 G-R-U-N-T
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"If people sat around and smoked more bongs, they might actually think about what they were doing more instead of just watching the trends trying to choose which wave to ride."

Hm...I heard smoking bongs destroys brain tissue as per your comment indicates.

I suggest smoking loco weed this may be a more effective tool...


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:54 | 916081 qrad
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You're wrong about Detroit. Property taxes are outrageous there. Even if you could "buy it all for a thousand dollars", your property tax bill would be approximately $1,000/house/year. That adds up fast.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 07:07 | 915716 Michael
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Duplicate Deleted.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 22:31 | 915282 buzzsaw99
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Except for one man, with an AK-47 and a Honda full of silver.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:23 | 916012 aerojet
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A two-pin "AK-like" semi-auto is not at AK47.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 22:59 | 915319 gwar5
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Thanks, very nicely said, Giordano!

The world works when everybody gets to follow their own dream -- and it's Darwin approved for diversity.

Collectivism kills because it depends on central planners trying to force everybody to follow their dream.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:04 | 915324 Sam Clemons
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Short the fuckin bounce.  STFB.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:05 | 915327 Devout Republican
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Stop the socialism. End the Unions! No more Entitlements! Let's take our country back!

Palin 2012!

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:12 | 915336 born2bmild
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Dude, I asked you not to smoke ALL of the crack.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:33 | 915367 WaterWings
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Poor Repubs = meth

Poor Demos = crack

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 03:28 | 915659 gorillaonyourback
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now thats funny lolol

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:19 | 915341 Quixotic_Not
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Take your RepubliCrap back to Freeperville, you're not gonna find support for (D) & (R) Kleptocrats here...

And take that attention whore Palin with you!

America Needs Community, Not Collectivism

'MeRiKans need to pull their Collective heads out of their lil' ungulate asses!

And becoming a Twit does NOT qualify as Community...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 08:51 | 915753 whatz that smell
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ungulate: a hoofed animal... ungulates include deer, sheep, elk, moose, caribou, ibex, goats, pronghorn and Asian and African antelope.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:25 | 915354 Sam Clemons
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Republicans have no real solutions.  Just another part of the same gravy train, for themselves.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:27 | 915359 Misean
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You're not too terribly bright, are you? That's OK, go find someone in the trailer park who can read, and show them the guest post and have them read it to you. Afterwards, you can analyze the guest post and tell us why your comment proves the thesis presented.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:28 | 915362 gwar5
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I definitely agree with ending the socialism crap!

That's the opiate of the central banks.

Unions and needy people are their useful tools.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:01 | 915396 juangrande
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per your avatar, devout, I seriously doubt Jesus was considered a conservative in his day. Likely he was on a "terrorist watch list"! Also, He had a problem with the money changers not the unions. Oh right. No unions just slaves. The unions were a necessary remedy for the tyranny that existed in our country at the turn of the 20th century. The tyranny that most are crying about creeping into our lives today brought to you by the same "money changer" institutions that have always brought tyranny to the world. The unions, however, are peopled by humans and thus are subject to the same "sins" as everyone else.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:30 | 915461 Tapeworm
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Perhaps there is something to unionization of the disappearing middle class that must go on strike against paying at gunpoint nearly all of their surplus to the real consumers of legitimate wealth-- that being the goomint and their enabled banking rackets.

 Thanks to ZH for pasting the finely written paragraph to the headline for this thread. Maybe the Ay-rabs that brought sense to the base ten numerical system can show the benighted West some way out of our strangulation.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:49 | 915488 palmereldritch
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I'm not a big proponent for limits or censorship but perhaps ZH could establish an avatar 'newbie' signifier that might give a heads-up to readers and thus limit wasted comment response resources to potential arriviste drive-by trolls that drain and highjack thread discussion with their obvious lobotomized time-wasting baited inflammatory drivel.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:34 | 915562 ebworthen
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You mean like censorship?

Book burnings?

Monitoring of communications?

Please re-examine this thought process of yours...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:31 | 916022 palmereldritch
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What are these things you call books?


[Edit above.  That was understatement, for the record I'm not a proponent of any type of censorship... stupid understatement font wasn't working again]

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:34 | 915560 ebworthen
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Devout Republican -

Politics is the distraction.

Freedom and liberty do not know a party or religion.

Slavery to either guarantee you will have neither.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 03:32 | 915663 skippy
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Bob Roberts...don't do ghetto drugs Cindy...its unbecoming.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 16:53 | 916642 creviceCaress
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i couldn't pass this forget this "republicans" spew about socialism/unions/blah....


PALIN!  2012!


seriously, you asshats sit here and bitch about change and revolution and guns and ....!!....!!!...........what the fuck do you think would happen to this country if we S"elected" her??........i believe CODE BROWN would rule the TV and the crash would be turned up to 11.


brothers and sisters i beseech you;  i jest not in this reply to the devout repugnicant.  you want change?  revolution?  let's get this wench in the White!


really, doesnt Merica deserve her?

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:06 | 915329 Yen Cross
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 Isn't that the same as most politicans talking to the constabulary?

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:30 | 915363 Goldilocks
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Interesting find Tyler.

Mentor on ...

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:42 | 915380 Yen Cross
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I'm a Ginger Lover! Just having fun.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:31 | 915364 WaterWings
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Great read.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:38 | 915376 scratch_and_sniff
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stay away from the LSD and the light reading...

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:45 | 915386 Savonarola
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Well, that community stuff might work in certain situations, for a short period, but in the long run, it's everyman for himself.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:50 | 915393 Yen Cross
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I agree. so what is your take on the Tokyo fixing Sunday? And will the YUAN continue it's slide? Thanks for you input.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:14 | 915438 Savonarola
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In Tokyo they fix a nice buffet on Sunday.

The Yuan's slide will continue until they learn to control the ball and limit turnovers.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:52 | 915495 Yen Cross
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First of all. Thanks for responding. Secondly. You brought up avery good and valid point. Who rolls the the BALL. Excellent analogy. Well done. We have Kampo and the MoF in cohorts. Why? The MoF raised the intervention funding yen buy roughly 20 %. Yet the Exporters and Real money short the yen because of lack of liquidity in the market. Simple. Sell lot's of Toyotas  on 5 % margin or sell less on a 20% margin. Why do you think the Japs are buying European Soverign Debt?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 09:00 | 915757 Savonarola
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Who can understand the Japanese motive when they buy something ?

Why did Goto overpay for Sunflowers ?

Most likely to impress a woman.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:20 | 915446 Lord Koos
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You guys watch far too many westerns.  Life without community is very mean indeed - true poverty in my view.  

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:54 | 915403 Stevm30
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I really enjoyed this article - thanks for taking the time to write it.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:57 | 915406 Oh regional Indian
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Tribalism..... it is the longest running form of the human community that has actually worked. Community is too loose a definition.

Awesome piece though.

But people need to look more at Tribalism. Everything that exists, does so because it lives with some womb (boundary). Without some limits, everything would be a blob.

Boundaries define everything. Likewise with human agglomerations.

A nation state is nothing without a border. A human is nothing without a womb. Society is nothing without the Cultural Womb.

Things, if thought through, seem to point at neo-tribalism as a viable, sustainable way for us to regather.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:06 | 915425 juangrande
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Tribalism, indeed, is the antithesis of collectivism. This was why the tribal peoples of the world were labeled "heathens" and nearly removed from the planet!

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:28 | 915459 Oh regional Indian
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Precisely Juan. The tribe was the strongest social unit to resist being "collected". Thus the viciousness of the war against native americans as an example. They had to be wiped out. Almost anyway.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:51 | 915494 UncleFester
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Not quite right.  Some tribes were removed by the other tribes.  Tribalism exists today!  Do you think the Rockefellers are a tribe?  What about the Rothschilds?  Is it a bankers clan or a banking cabal, I forget.  This clan / tribe makes the Italian mafia look like a suburbia street gang, no?

I Fester


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:23 | 915544 Oh regional Indian
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Uncle, the tribes you are speaking of has no boundary. Even it's greed is bound-less. Un-bound even.

I meant much more the tribe in the older sense of the word. Even a virtual tribe (such as here at ZH) is built on such a fickle foundation (Internet, could be gone tomorrow).


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 06:50 | 915707 old naughty
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interesting I was talking to a friend about community life the other day and here we are a worthy discussion @ZH.

I agree that tribal (for lack of a better word) foundation could be the answer to collectivism, but will need to be self-sustained (and so back to planting food and other necessities) and have a culture of discipline.

Oh, while we are at it, let's ensure it's eco-worthy.

Thanks for sharing,



Sun, 01/30/2011 - 06:53 | 917577 Oh regional Indian
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V, maybe it's time for the tribal meme to be propagated again? It is another overused and under-understood word, but we work with what we have till a new name suggests itself, eh?

Trying to put the roots of just such a collective down here in India. Figurative and literal roots.



Sun, 01/30/2011 - 00:57 | 917398 UncleFester
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No boundary indeed.  The tribes of the past might be bound by the elk or the caribou.  Today, we are the great herd that stretches from sea to sea.  Hence the boundlessness of it all.  I like to think of mankind as the bait-ball or the grazing the predators ambush and feast!

A minor disagreement:  the individual is the unit of family, the family the unit of tribe, the tribe the unit of State, the State the unit of Nation, etc.  There are families and tribes that cause the calamity of the day.  They are not righteous, they are not bound, but make no mistake..they are tribal.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:18 | 916002 juangrande
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As per Cognitive Dissonance's 3 part series, no system or institution will provide harmony until we, individually, get our shit together consciously, spiritually, or whatever you want to call it. A true realization we are all in this thing together and harming others only harms ourselves. All of these crisis's we face, be it individual or collective, are  alarm bells screaming for us to wake the fuck up!  

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 16:31 | 916602 Common_Cents22
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Our tribalism should be in the form of states rights (municipal as well) as the founders intended.  They put in checks and balances to prevent federal govt takeover but as one of them said, if you don't have some morality, the constitution means nothing.


50 states holding most of the power as 50 grand experiments.  Wanna universal health care in MA?  go ahead and see if it works.   Want to tax the hell out of people and businesses in IL?  go ahead and see a good chunk move out.     We need competition among states, not centralized power in DC picking winners and punishing losers based on politics.


Government "invests" YOUR taxes for their POLITICAL return, not economic return.


It's centralization against decentralization.  Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 20:35 | 917028 A Nanny Moose
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These tribes are why you have a 2nd amendment.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:37 | 915475 nmewn
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It can't be contained, it seeks boundaries to push through, to be only itself among many.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:47 | 916063 Sean7k
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There is one way to insure that the problems discussed in the article are not manifested: eliminate the police power from society. This can happen in all systems, whether tribal or collective. 

The whole article dances around this concept in order to support it. 

The elimination of police power in money and banking- end legal tender laws.

The elimination of police power in government- individual sovereignty

The elimination of police power in communities-social mores and values 

If we allow for the protection of private property, then we must decide whether it is beneficial to the whole culture to encourage the acquisition of wealth. Then, the best way to insure personal liberty and protecting the spoils of hard work.

This article details what I see in nature as a predisposition to diversity in healthy environments. It is also a form of anarchy that works against the development of total security. While nature may have intended we be insecure to enhance our survival, it is our nature to want secure places to inhabit.

This is an important factor that requires a solution before we can ever continue up the road to liberty. For so long, we have trodden the path to tyranny and despair. It is as if the light of liberty blinds our eyes and makes us afraid. 

As long as elites can define security in their own terms, until we welcome the opportunities of liberty, we are sentenced to this modern feudalism. Debt slavery is a choice. We fail to recognize that.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:54 | 916074 G-R-U-N-T
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"Tribalism..... it is the longest running form of the human community that has actually worked."

Yep, native American indians are proof of that...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:00 | 915407 Implicit simplicit
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The key to stop the collective slavery reign lies in the dissolution of fiat fractal currency dirty cloud cover. This will begin to stop the insane competition for limited resources. The elite will not give it up easily, but it is doomed  anyways. The time factor is where higher conscious activist minds can act as an accelerant. It is necessary for the change to start soon before we destroy ourselves and our planet. End the fed, break up the banks, and eventually end money- thats a good start.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:00 | 915410 Yen Cross
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I see big opening gaps in the eur and gbp. Why? Overbought!

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:07 | 915427 DisparityFlux
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As a species, we have a proclivity to develop social groups which tend towards "behavioral sinks" (term coined by John B. Calhoun).  After countless millennia, we have yet to develop a society embraced by all for the good of all.  If some social group had been formed, it must not have survived, because here we are again, still trying. 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:15 | 915440 Misean
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Of course not. There is no "we" that builds "societies". Kinda the point of the article. To make the point a smidge clearer, collectivists talk of "we" when they mean "I", and talk of building things like benificient global "societies".

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:08 | 915429 Yen Cross
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And I'm going to trade my cushin in usd/jpy so far north, that Santa will give me hankies for my nose bleeds! I got charts to study. See ya @ 2:oo p.m West Coast time January 30 2011.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:26 | 915455 TomA
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Self reliant and productive people need only freedom in order to lead a fulfulling life. Conversely, people who must rely on others for their sustenance can be easily seduced by a paternalistic tyrant.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:28 | 915458 palmereldritch
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Superb article Tyler, many thanks.

Zero Hedge ~The Internet's Fortress of Solitude for Classical Liberals and Libertarians.

Keep up the amazing work dude...


'Collectivism' as defined by the Pythons:

(Cleese: You're not foolin' anyone, ya know...)

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:34 | 915470 born2bmild
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This is an interesting piece. What defines a community? It seems like Zero is kind of one unless you are Devout or Robot (but I guess the outcasts have their own community). My wife is a nurse, they definitely have one (it's a union too). So what is the definition and what strengthens the communities we already belong to?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:46 | 915490 mcguire
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in case nobody noticed, the article was addressing not an abstract idea, but a very real neo-marxist collectivist movement called the Zeitgeist Movement.  The article comes about a week after the release of the third movie in the movement's series.

here is the link:

i suggest you watch it.  this is the future fascism. this collapse is engineered.  and this is what they have in store for us.

this is no longer about trading.  it is time to wake up.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:07 | 915505 palmereldritch
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Interesting take: a collectivist trojan by stealth - community as collector.

If there are derivatives in finance it is reasonable to expect that they would be dependent on a similar derivative approach to propaganda, and they certainly would not be announced

Thanks for the perspective.  Will check it out...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:04 | 915516 Implicit simplicit
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The movie is definitely worth watching, but it doesn't have a label, any label including neo-marxists, fascism,republican, democrat, socialist etc.. It is a scientific approach to managing the limited resources of the planet. Fascism is created by the fractal fiat currency competition at any cost capitalistic "slave" market.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:10 | 915523 palmereldritch
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Fascism is created by the fractal fiat currency competition at any cost capitalistic "slave" market.

and with all due respect such power would potentially extend to:

a scientific approach to managing the limited resources of the planet


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:46 | 915577 Implicit simplicit
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The desire for power is largly rooted first in the accumulation of wealth. The elimination of fiat and money would go a long way in removing power struggles. Watch the movie with an open mind, and see what you think.  

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 03:23 | 915657 penisouraus erecti
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hmmm, begs the question of why people do the things they do, and who 'manages' these resources and 'distributes' them fairly

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:34 | 915907 Bobbyrib
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Yes, it does. Good point, I think you should take a look at the way the Soviet Union was run to find the answer.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:38 | 916046 palmereldritch
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Collectivism starts at home...

I'm all for ending fiat money and's the organizing structure above that that gets tricky.

Science has been such a slave to dogma lately one always has to be aware that it may in fact be a religion in drag.


Big Brother can take many forms.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:39 | 915566 penisouraus erecti
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Interesting - please elaborate.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:13 | 915526 Threeggg
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If you want safety, they will take it away and barter it back to you at a steep price.

This video kinda backs up this article 100% wouldnt you say ??

unreal !

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:21 | 915540 Atomizer
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Despotism plans are backfiring.. heheheeheee

May I speak with the head US Czar? I have a paper to write, my teacher is a progressive. He/She might see thru any BS I may spin.

An educational czar chancellor is recommended, so I may receive the no child left behind bell grade score. LOL

State of Union: Peoples Ice Cube= Failproof Spending-Freeze

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:28 | 915552 penisouraus erecti
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Thanks Tyler.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 01:54 | 915585 jeffgroove102
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Good article, unfortunately, change takes time in the form of the older generation dying off so new ideas can be established. I think stefan molyneux has the best take on this subject:

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 08:46 | 915746 Voluntary Exchange
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Stefan is a great communicator, and he has a hell of a message. Voluntarism is what you get after you grow beyond all the tyranny:  the stealing, fraud, and aggression as institutions ("government") will eventually come to an end.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:08 | 915600 blunderdog
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Every time I meet a collectivist who's all like talking about their collectivist ideals, I tell them: "You suck."

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:18 | 915610 Dapper Dan
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Charlie Rose is interviewing Timmy G on PBS, Please fill me in on the rest of the interview as my wife will not let me watch any more.

Said I am yelling and screaming too much at the T.V.

Timmy looked as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:39 | 915630 tony bonn
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the opening paragraph was golden.....

"Constant Fear, Constant Threats"

that is the cia psyops against america - always a crisis to be solved by the omnipotent state - it goes on ad infinitum - cyclamates, saccharine, global warming, pollution, al-qaeda (a cia invention), terrorism, it never ends....

we got the patriot (nazi) act and the most abominable airports in world history because of lies about imaginary threats given plausibility by cia sponsored terrorism....these are staged acts to bamboozle the stupid people into accepting the collectivist totalitarian solution....

"wars and rumors of wars till i come...."

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:25 | 916164 Jerome Lester H...
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Agree with you about the opening paragraph.
Through this whole article my mind kept playing "The Weapon" by Rush. Particularly, the line:

"And the things that we fear
Are a weapon to be held against us"

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 02:58 | 915644 Zero Govt
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I used to think there was left and right, now they both operate the same system, fascism. 

Big Govt and Big Corps, an elite 1% parasitical scum using the leverage of the State to ratchet wealth and liberty away in order to enrich their own power base and wealth.

Thing is for probably 100 years or more we've no longer needed Govt. We manage our own lives, we 'herd' when we want then go back to being individuals when we want. We're self regulating as a society with our own social rules as herd animals and neither Law nor State and all its mindless impositions has or will change our natural state.

Freedom and free markets. No Govt (parasites) required.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 03:35 | 915666 skippy
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You should live next to the shit it takes to support your life style amigo, you and your friends can bask in toxicity! 

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:00 | 915788 Zero Govt
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there's no bigger toxic waste than Govt, it's the biggest dumping zone or breeding ground for crooks (financial/banking), extremist groups (Marxists) and the pathologically deranged (see Bush family).

Remind me where the toxic waste is again?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:18 | 916141 GreenSideUp
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Govt is toxic waste...perfect!

Also love your name and avatar. :)

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 04:37 | 915683 Long Strange Trip
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I agree with everything you said - free markets and individualism spawn something far greater than a command and control system because the spontaneous organization of free markets benefits all those involved. 

Ironically the many americans staring at the edge of cliff because of the ruinous centralized system think that more command and control by a central authority is needed...we are where we are because the public has demanded it.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:09 | 915797 Zero Govt
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..but i don't think the public has demanded anything, the "democratic" system has no way of listening to the public or motive to deliver what it wants. Only a free competitive market has that drive. 

Govt has no competition, the greatest force in capitalism, so it can sit there and smoke cigars siphoning away our money to crony-businesses with window dressing like "security.. welfare.." etc. 

Govt will bang down your door if you stop paying them for their ponzi scheme so seems to me we need our choice (power) back. Soon as the purse strings are cut then they'll sit up and listen

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 03:46 | 915671 Rodent Freikorps
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The first people up against the wall, after the revolution, will be the commies.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 04:22 | 915679 Long Strange Trip
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Amen my brother - I live in California bay area need I say more - collectivism is a way of life here. We call it political correctness. 

"Is there anything more self-centered than a man prepared to destroy the livelihood and freedoms of others just to feel temporarily secure?"

Welcome to California - bend over...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 04:24 | 915682 ebworthen
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Comment on the news tonight:

"It is amazing to see these world leaders talk chat about global warming when there are riots and protests worldwide about basice freedoms and the price of food.

Yes, figure it out leaders, or you wil HANG.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 05:41 | 915694 Tic tock
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So much fucking ignorance...ghettos, like the slums of Rio, exist all over the world. You should see how they work as an excercise in how communities actually work - it's occasionally glorious.

To a large extent they are unplanned, there is an example (Orangi Pilot Project) water, sewage connections, a few central walls and some rudimentary roads were implemented - bare bones of a residential grid. The dirt-poor then turned their own houses out, organized township responsibilities- but those are sane people. Americans and English, have suffered great pyschological damage - it isn't clear if they know how to work in a community. Otherwise, new residential grids could be designed, with what we now how to do things, with self-sufficiency in staple foods, energy, isn't even a technical challenge.

Vast swathes of the rest-of-the-world are champing at the bit to unleash productivity, that is what the whole discussion on intellectual property is about. While owners of such wish to charge exorbitant sums for the means of productions, the poor are kept unable to harness the strength of their communities, while in America, developing a strong network is just no longer part of the cultural idiom - the nuclear society. Fear of one's own depth for compassion - don't trust strangers and can't trust the government to do anything properly and there's no justice - see how alone you are!, lack of time.

Dammit, Egyptians and Tunisians, those loud, hairy, sweaty, badly-dressed reprobates - they have the testosterone and willpower to go for overthrowing a filthy regime, not the Irish, not the Portuguese, not the French, certainly not the English and as for the americans, hahaha. Because that's what people actually are like - action is hot and wet and visceral. Fine, the communities of Europe have information and plenty of discussion and reasoning...? We live in state that's a brothel.  

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 05:54 | 915695 AnAnonymous
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It would be interesting to know when the US has supported concretely individuality. Not the masquerade that has been going on from the beginning.

Asking US citizens to stop being what they have been through generations?

I'd like to read more.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 06:08 | 915699 mrdenis
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Absolutely spot on ! .... a GOLD bar in every cupboard ......

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 07:10 | 915719 Voluntary Exchange
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A well written article by someone with wisdom and understanding.  If such thoughts were aired 500 years ago it would result in the author being burned at the stake, as was the original Bruno Giordano. So we are fortunate to be living today in a time when truth can be shared anonymously  and widely without a strong probability of instant annihilation.

So how do you go about forming community when so many around you still react to "truth" by trying to fuel the fires of destruction upon  a bound and captured messenger (if not literally then often socially)?  How do we rehabilitate those in mental straight-jackets who at the moment are incapable of "community" as conceived above?   We exist now at the point where for the present moment communication makes possible virtual "communities" that are able to grasp key knowledge that can form the foundation  of a new civilization without the "flamers" being able to silence us.  But at the same time we swim in an actual local  "community" where if we attempt to put into practice this understanding the "flamers" will do what they can to give us the same fate as the above historical Bruno!

As the above article points out there is much work to be done. Real physical work in a physical environment, one that is full of those willing and eager to immolate you: that is dangerous work!  The responsibility and challenge that comes with actual truth and understanding is so huge that in most times and ages those who understood had to be content to pass on what they knew to future times. It was hoped that there would come a time where there might exist the possibility of overcoming the perpetual problem of  the "flamers" to give birth to an actual community that can teach by empirical  example those who are capable of leaning from this  example.  Do we live in such a world today?  Or do we still exist in a world where actual application of  such "truths" will result in the same fate as Bruno received for just sharing his ideas?

To those who ridicule those who have remained at the "virtual" community level without choosing yet to attempt an actualized application of "community" in the physical sense, please keep in mind the high cost of failure!  There is practical value in trying to build your "virtual" community first! When enough understanding is extant in enough people it will be possible to give birth to the new civilization with a minimum of birth pangs.  Those who are capable of living a new truth are a very precious type of person, not the type of person who should be thrown away in some premature attempt at what is impossible in a particular given environment.  Having said that, we are talking about truths so valuable that for humanity to move beyond our present "quarantine" stage on this planet, sooner or later these great truths must be applied to transform the planet.  

I am watching Egypt for some insight of our present condition as a species.  Egyptians, like us,  know they live in tyranny. They know they want to be free of this tyranny.   At the same time they yell "Allah Akbar" and seek to burn down the symbols of that tyranny.  We know what happens if they fail.  What will happen if they "succeed"?  They seem to be  very close to being an exploitable mob that can be the tool of the next generation of tyrants. At the same time there is something else going on, a certain awareness and knowing that requires no "leader".  Can they "keep it together"  or will they fall into the same pattern we have seen throughout history.  Let us see.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 09:38 | 915770 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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Excellent article Bruno. I feel encouraged. Feel free to include Europe to the title also - we need the same discussion ... badly.

For me, the article explains the exact difference between solidarity in its true form and its falsified coercive version. The difference being un-manipulated free choice.

And great commentary VE - very interesting.

I always thought that one "problem" is the inner nature of those who value community in the sense presented above. Those who truly can contribute positively to and thrive in a community will almost by definition possess a good deal of modesty and self discipline.

They will automatically question their own ambition and goals in the context of the community to evaluate if their aspirations will be accommodating the good of the rest of the people too. Ergo - they may not be natural candidates for a position on the barricades.

The lack of will to impose "one message" on the rest makes it difficult to tackle the "flamers", who have no problem in telling the rest of the world how to think and act, and who enjoy the power games and the "any means to achieve a goal" of the barricades.

That makes the proliferation of common sense a job to be done on an uneven playing field in an atmosphere of overwhelming mental and emotional noise. One way is to lead by example - to show how it is done - and to get there the virtual communities are important.   

In a world with increasing disrespect and disregard for what is natural and healthy for human beings, the virtual communities can help bridge the gap during the discovery phase towards a new (or is it in fact at least partially old but updated) way of existence and (re)birth. The virtual communities can help flush out the madness, clarify meaning, illuminate possibilities and relieve the individual sense of loneliness in the process.

I think that it can also help people "keeping it together" because virtual communities with many international participants will help us remember that the "them and us" position most often is bogus, and we all tend to have overwhelmingly similar requirements to the basics in life.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 17:37 | 916723 Disambiguation
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Starting small private schools around which a community has slowly develop is an effective means to achieveing a diverse and self sufficient comminuty. My children attend a small pre-k through HS Waldorf School (largest private school movement in the world). The school provided an kernel around whiich community has slowly but steadily coalesced over the last 25 years. This is much more viable in a rural setting, as are all forms of self sufficient community building. Great article...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 08:12 | 915735 KickIce
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Good article.  I think we will need a healthy combination of personal initiative as well as the ability to band together to get through this mess.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 08:22 | 915740 koaj
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Voluntary Participation: There is no need to force people to participate in a system that operates on honesty, conscience, and individual will. In fact, many people today long for a system like this. When men and women apply their energies to something they believe in, instead of something they are manipulated into following, the results can be spectacular. Progress becomes second nature, an afterthought, instead of an unhealthy obsession



Sat, 01/29/2011 - 08:50 | 915752 papaswamp
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Only way to solve the country's problems...

-Term limits for congress

-make it illegal for members of congress to insider trade

-All laws that apply to the people apply to congress

-Trash the present tax system, go to fair tax.

-Dump NAFTA and MFN

-no more funds to foreign countries until the debt is 10% of GDP

-Balanced budget amendment

Yea there will be lots of pain...but the core problem is the corruption by government.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:28 | 915764 Voluntary Exchange
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Sorry Papa:

Step outside the box.  Political action is another name for theft, fraud, and aggression.  America and all political systems are founded on the contradiction that you can limit tyranny by giving a few a monopoly on tyranny (taxation, monopoly of legal adjudication, and monopoly of legal force) - what you conceive of as "government". Study up on voluntarism.  Please check out this guy's message:




Sat, 01/29/2011 - 09:06 | 915760 whatz that smell
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mom's basement, bitchez.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 09:07 | 915761 tradewithdave
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This post is attempting to address one of the most challenging concepts that humanity has ever attempted to understand.  How do we define community?  There are natural aspects of community that are apparent to everyone such as a household, an extended family, a common language and physical boundaries such as a river or an ocean.  Some might argue that ZeroHedge itself defines a community.

Political frameworks such as a libertarian understanding of all rights (such as the Bill of Rights) are essentially property rights (think habeas corpus) beg the question of how do we build functioning economies on the local, regional, sovereign and global levels.  Most recently our attempt to optimize locally on price (think Wal-mart rollbacks) have led to a de-optimization locally on the means of production, jobs and community health in the developed world in exchange for the developing world.  To "think globally" and "act locally" is a fallacious argument since the individual is essentially a "local" phenomenon. 

Solutions such as Common Security Clubs as proposed by Marcus Raskin's Institute for Policy Studies attempt to manage the fear of devolving developed economies and the impact of austerity through the formation of engineered communities which are based on the bond of fear as an alternative currency.  Contrast this against Raskin's daughter-in-law Sarah Bloom Raskin's service to the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council and more recent appointment to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors and you see how closely linked so-called engineered "community" is with engineering of the financial system. 

Trying to draw a boundary around community is essentially an engineering function and one where the wealth of networked communities vulnerability is clear when you see the implementation of the kill switch as we witness today in Egypt.  No matter how much we try to globalize the network (economic, political, etc.) we can't globalize the individual who exists within the restrictions of time and space.  The only one securing your "homeland" right this minute is you where you're sitting and reading this.  That is not going to change regardless of the promise of network security (be it airports, internet or mobile phones).  We can organize as a condo association, a neighborhood, a township (thanks PA), a county, a state, nation, league of nations or as a globe, but they're weak reflections of true community which starts with you and your neighbor.

Your community can be as big as you want it to be, but it can't start with more than two or three people.  True community is peer-to-peer and always will be.  True community meets "in the round" and always will.  We build these alternatives (G-8, G-20, U.N., Common Security Clubs, etc.) because we think somehow loving our neighbor isn't a good enough place to start.  We're usually unwilling to start there because of unforgiveness for previous wrongs and hurts.  We can keep searching for the most efficient containerized system for the distribution and redistribution of wealth and prosperity, but as long as we believe that the definition of economics is the efficient distribution of scarce resources, then we're believing a lie. 

Resources are not scarce.  Resources are abundant.  Sure, oil may be scarce, but brilliant young people are not and if you're looking for more efficient transportation, maybe a webcam was more of the answer than another hybrid SUV.  As long as corporations, universities and those who are empowered to teach us how business and economics are supposed to be used as tools for prosperity, are allowed to base their system on scarcity and fear, then we deserve what we get; not enough food, not enough jobs, not enough love. 

The amazing part about community is that it is as limited as we see it.  We each decide where the boundary is for us.  Sure we have government telling us when we need a passport and which forms must be filled out, but we can starve that government anytime we want and turn the weapon of scarcity back onto those who would use it against us by simply denying them an audience and shining the light of the truth on their deceptions.  If everyone stopped showing up at the DMV, then it would naturally be closed.  Choose your least favorite agency or corporation and quit patronizing it and ask your neighbor to do the same.  I started with Comcast.    

The water falls from the sky, the sun rises again, the plant grows on its own, the child reaches up to be held, the examples of truth are all around us.  We live in abundance and prosperity.  The sooner we realize that, the sooner our behavior changes and reinforces the truth.  Then again, we can sit and watch engineered messages on TV and spiral into the deception that we actually own something and need to protect it when the truth is we're only stewards on a timeline - a timeline with eternal implications.

Dave Harrison

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 09:13 | 915763 TK69
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There is no such thing as society, just individuals and their families trying to make their own way.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 09:28 | 915769 MonkeyMan
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Jesus motherfuckin' cuntlickin' christ. ZH is really going down the shitter putting up bullshit like this. Where the fuck is Marla to moderate this ignorant rant. A year ago you could rely on the commenters here to at least have some level of intellect, but it seems now that it's developing a distinct smell of absolute bullshit. What a load of sloppy poo.....shame.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 09:41 | 915774 sourgrapesson
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Your rant is more disgusting and I too wish Marla was around to NIX your ass.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:28 | 915812 Voluntary Exchange
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If your comment is sincere (or is this how you get your jollies?) then I would say: you do not see what we see because you do not have eyes to see. Learn what is blocking your vision, remove it,  and then you can see. Otherwise be content in your blindness and do not presume to condem what a blind person is incabable of seeing as it makes you look foolish.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:43 | 916197 Jerome Lester H...
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For you the blind
Who once could see
The bell tolls for thee

Neil Peart

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:16 | 915807 Zina
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Very poor article. Just cheap ideology. Who determines the line between "collectivism" and "community"?

A failed attempt to create a "new philosophy" in the USA,  ignoring centuries of philosophical debate in Europe and the rest of the world.

America's philosophical misery is widening more and more...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:49 | 915839 Voluntary Exchange
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(If you are sincere!!??:) Because you do not understand the line between "collectivism" and "community" does not make the article "cheap ideology", it means you're not understanding what we understand.  That's ok, we all start somewhere.  The question I pose to you is what will you do about your lack of understanding? Did you mother ever teach you it is not OK to take peoples stuff? Why would that be?

Maybe you could read a book by Murry Rothbard?  Do you read books? Collectivists think it is ok for them to impose their rules upon you whether you agree, and some of their "rules" are they can take your stuff- , whether or not you agree, even if you got your stuff without harming or cheating anyone else.  The type of "community" being advocated in this article is those who agree in advance that the only valid rules are the ones that you agree to be bound by. Also:   You will not try to get things from others without their their consent and, (usually), you must give them something in return that you are willing to give them and they are willing to receive in exchange for what they give you.  That means you do not tell someone they owe a "tax" to some one or some "government".  And you do not support anyone who will try to impose such a "tax" on a person who does not wish to pay it.

Put simply: lying, stealing, and harming other people are not ways that we, as individuals, in our "community"  will choose to obtain what we want. Is this what you think of as "cheap ideology"?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:24 | 916017 Zina
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In fact, the ideology of people here is Minarchism. Nothing more, nothing less. Pure minarchism.

And I think minarchism is just a "cheap ideology", with no real life arguments sustaining it. Minarchism is a fragile house of cards.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:03 | 916104 GreenSideUp
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What's that?  "We" here have a collective ideology?  I think not.

An/cap, voluntaryist here.  I don't need no stinkin' government to run my (or anyone else's) life.   


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:26 | 916117 Voluntary Exchange
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HI Zina:


To be fair, I did not see any advocacy of hierarchy in the article. He did not advocate any reliance on the "state" that I could see. A community as he described it is not a hierarchy, it is a voluntary association so, while he could in fact be "minarchist", I am concluding he does not advocate any hierarchy, and could thus be described as a "voluntarist", or the pejorative term: anarchist. His objections against collectivism are all also arguments against the "state" and thus even arguments against "minarchies" (minimal "states"). His statements such as : "In order for the state to elevate itself in importance above the individual, it must first promote the idea that the individual does not exist ..."   and like his header: "Centralization Instead Of Cooperation:" and all the points he goes on to make,   he is talking about aspects of  STATES, all states, which can all be characterized as "collectivist". Please understand that any entity that tries to legalise and force involuntary exchanges suffers from the defects that the author lists, and thus all "states" (meaning entities that claim a monopoly of legal "force" and/or adjudication/"justice"/law  in a certain geographical area) fit this definition and  are in fact  equal to "collectivism".

If you care to assert that "voluntarism" is a "cheap ideology" then I would ask you to start digesting the thoughts and work of such individuals as Murray Rothbard, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, or the ever eloquent and entertaining Stefan Molyneux (

I have seen hundreds of hours worth of "real life arguments" that have been shared by these three men, so I am wondering if you would be able to sustain your point if the author "Bruno" is in fact "voluntarist" and you care to support your assertion. Or to put it in other words, you could not possibly evaluate what you do not know. Or if by some surprise you have digested some significant portion of these 3 men's work, then would you care to discuss a specific case you conclude to be "cheap ideology" so that we have something precise and well defined to consider. Bruno's article here is by necessity brief and does not cite detailed corroberative examples, but his statement are supported by my and many other's experiences in dealing with the "state" and what is does.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:38 | 915914 downwiththebanks
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It's a pretty stupid argument that talks about collectivism when income inequality has accelerated for the last 4 decades.

Just stupid crap in no way connected to the world.

Typical banker-gangster rubbish.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:30 | 915819 Rodent Freikorps
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How are ya gonna form a viable long term community when our own govt. promotes strife between races and classes?

We have been divided and conquered.

It is all going according to plan.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:44 | 915831 financeguru500
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You are correct. As long as 99% of the country watches that garbage thats on television, how can people not be divided. We have channels promoting black people to act "ghetto" while other channels make fun of every race, religion, or class in the name of comedy.

The only way people will start getting a clue would be to turn off the idiot box and start communicating with their local community. What's the chance of that happening though. Lol I would have better odds of winning the lottery.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:29 | 915840 Rodent Freikorps
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There is a lot of money in victimology. Whole industries now.

So there is a financial incentive to hold old, old grudges...even if you never suffered yourself.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:35 | 915910 downwiththebanks
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Much better to convince a banker-gangster to hang himself than play the victim.

At least then you're productive.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:58 | 915854 Voluntary Exchange
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Form "communities" of association where the odds are close to 100% that your associate will not be divided by the things that despots use to divide us.  I would argue there are many such individuals here at this site, so that is a good starting point. You do not need to light a candle in all dark corners of the universe, just where you are at the moment.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!