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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt Market

America Will Not Survive Without Alternative Markets

Commerce is the lifeblood of a nation. Without
the free flow of trade, without financial adaptability, without
intuitive markets driven by the natural currents of supply, demand, and
innovation, cultures stagnate, countries whither, and one generation
after the next finds itself deeper in the somber doldrums of economic
disintegration. In an environment of transparency, honesty,
and the absence of monopoly (government or corporate), on the rare
occasions in history that these conditions are actually present in one
place at one time, we often see an explosion of prosperity and true
wealth creation. When local, decentralized markets are
given precedence over subversive elitist leviathans like mercantilism or
globalism, a wellspring of abundance bursts forward. Free
people, building true free markets that serve the specific needs of
individual communities and insulating the overall economy from systemic
collapse; this has always been the wave of the future. Not
“integration”, “harmonization”, or some fantastical nonsensical “global
village” administrated by a faceless unaccountable transnational entity
like the IMF, infested with sociopathic maid raping euro-trolls.

Unfortunately, average Americans today have grown
far too accustomed to having their commerce, and thus their livelihoods,
micromanaged for them. Most cities and states in this
country today are entirely dependent on corporate infrastructure or
federal funding for ready employment and steady incomes. Most people have never even considered life without the Dollar; a highly flawed and unstable fiat currency. They
exist enslaved, without any means to carry on even the most remedial
exchanges in the event that the worthless paper notes finally
hyperinflate into oblivion. Most Americans have never even
imagined where they might obtain food or other goods if grocery chains
were to shut down for more than a week; a very likely scenario
considering the extent to which such businesses are indebted, not to
mention the effects of destructive price increases due to inflation in
commodities and freight rates. The bottom line is, if the
daily fiscal life of the average American were to deviate from today’s
norm even slightly, the results would be devastating. There is no flexibility in our current system. All is rigid and fragile. There is no backup plan.

The problem, of course, is in educating the populace on the necessity of alternative markets. To many, the U.S. economy has been and always will be the standard. How could it change? Surely,
people have been discussing the possibility of total economic collapse
for decades, and it hasn’t happened yet, so why should we worry now?

What these people don’t realize is that first, economic storms are progressive events. They rarely happen in the blink of an eye. Far more like a wounded airplane struggling to maintain altitude but invariably crashing into the unforgiving earth. The
collapse of our dollar has been an ongoing program since at least the
early 1970’s, when Nixon removed our currency completely from any
vestige of a gold standard. Our industrial infrastructure
has been dismantled over many years and replaced with low paying,
remedial, and unreliable service employment. And, our national debt has been snowballing, more than doubling every decade since 1970. You can only put so much weight on the camel’s back before it finally snaps. This brings us to the second point; that snap has already occurred here in the U.S., many just don’t seem to recognize it.

Make no mistake, the year of 2008 was the breaking point. As
soon as the private Federal Reserve in tandem with a paid for and
pocketed U.S. government began rampant production of fiat without
oversight, without guidelines, and without the consent of the American
people, it was all over for our existing economy. The
consequences of quantitative easing measures initiated in 2008 will be
far reaching into the foreseeable future, and will probably go down in
history as the catalyst for immense international catastrophes soon to
come. For people who argue that collapse is a farfetched
“conspiracy theory”, I simply point out that the collapse they scoff at
is going on right now, right under their gullible noses.

This realization usually brings us to the next obvious question; what can we do to stop this terrible landslide?

To begin with, we need to abandon the idea that our
economic implosion is something that can be mended before the pain it
creates is felt. Like every sickness, it is something that we will have to struggle through, and suffer through, before a cure is made viable. There
is also no single magical solution to defuse the situation, and anyone
who tries to sell you one is probably not to be trusted. We
must accept that no matter what we do from this point on, we WILL see a
breakdown of the U.S. dollar and by attrition the rest of our financial
system. Our only practical options are those which
insulate and shield us as much as possible from the effects of that
breakdown, so that the country might have the opportunity to remove
manipulative elements (global corporatists) from the equation, and
rebuild.

Do we wait around for politicians, legislators, and
courts, to set up protective barriers in our communities and our local
economies for us? I certainly hope not. Anyone doing that will be twiddling their thumbs long after the nation has fallen apart. Elections
at the federal level have proven time and again to be utterly useless
in effecting any meaningful improvements in our society, let alone
preventing calamity. There are only so many Ron Paul’s and Rand Paul’s operating in our government today. Vote for them, but don’t put all your hopes for prosperity and liberty into one candidate, or one election.

At the state level (depending on your state), there
tends to be a bit more breathing room, and a chance for free market and
sound money legislation to be pushed to the forefront (as has been done
in Utah). However, relying on state representatives alone will not turn the tide. When it comes down to it, the only person that can protect your financial future, and your community’s financial future, is you. Yes, they created the mess, and now YOU are responsible for cleaning it up. Sorry, that’s just the way it goes…

This means that if we want to ensure any level of safety to our economic environment, we as Americans must do it ourselves.
We must stop buying into the lie that participation in commerce is
about mere "consumption", and actually take ownership of our economy.
We
must decouple from the unstable mainstream system and the dollar, and
construct our own local markets with our own stable non-fiat currencies. They’ll
call them “black markets”, they’ll call it an undermining of the
dollar, they’ll even call it terrorism, but the fact remains, life, and
thus trade, must go on. If the globalist based economy does
not provide an environment that facilitates free trade, or tries to
dominate trade as a method of social control, then alternative markets
are going to arise. It is unavoidable.

Must we go cold turkey on the Greenback, or weekly trips to Walmart? Not necessarily. Alternative
markets can be organized in parallel with the existing system, and used
in tandem until the primary economy takes the final plunge, or, can be
replaced entirely. That is to say, as localized markets,
barter networks, and gold and silver based currencies become more
popular in the midst of the comparably feeble and poisonous mainstream
economy, they will begin to supplant the old system. Why? Because the laws of supply and demand cannot be undone. People want a strong currency, and they want reliable foundations for local trade. If you provide these things, they will cast aside that which doesn’t work, and adapt that which does.

This is why the globalist system strains so hard to undermine any concept of “choice”. Either you use the dollar, or you starve. Either you work within the corporate framework, or you starve. Either you accept the autocratic puppeteering of groups like the Federal Reserve, or you starve. As
soon as people begin to recognize that they actually have other options
beyond the establishment status quo, the base of power for the elites
falls apart.

It is not a matter of IF alternative markets are built. It is only a matter of WHEN alternative markets are built. Barter organizations, food co-ops, and sound money, are a matter of survival. No
modern economic collapse that I know of has occurred without causing
the sudden ascent of localized commerce to fill the void. For
example, Greece has recently seen a significant rise in barter
networking programs in the past year, although some of these programs
are still rather primitive, and many are still too dependent on the
internet instead of encouraging more face to face community building:



Argentina has had barter networks and alternative markets for years following the collapse of its currency and economy. The
Argentine financial system has yet to recover from its collapse,
despite IMF claims that they “saved the country” from certain
destruction. Because of this, barter organizations continue
to operate there even today (again, still in primitive fashion and with
their own shortcomings, including a continued dependence on unbacked
“coupons” as currency):

Economic collapse forces the issue of alternative commerce. The
problem is that nearly every culture to face such dire straights waits
until after they are thoroughly desperate before they launch a
replacement economy. In my view, Americans can do much better. First, we have foreknowledge of collapse. Many citizens are at least aware that the threat exists and treat it more seriously than they did a few years ago. Others
in the Liberty Movement are fully cognizant of the inevitable danger
and have a complex understanding of economics in general. Next,
we still have some wealth (fiat wealth), though dwindling, which can be
converted into tangible commodities like gold and silver, as well as
materials for micro-industries (a skill set you have achieved that is
useful in a post collapse economy could be turned into a micro-industry
you can use for trade). We have extremely wide usage of the
internet (for now), which is the perfect tool for connecting people and
groups together, setting the stage for face to face organization later
on. We have states, with 10th Amendments rights,
which can be converted into “safe havens”; financially, politically,
and socially protected areas of the U.S. where independent citizens can
congregate that provide shelter and mutual defense from the chaos that
collapse imposes. And, most importantly, we have the will
to make these things possible, though it seems hidden or even
non-existent, it is there in many of us. All that is required are vehicles which give that will a direction and a means.

The Alternative Market Project, which I
recently founded, could be one of those vehicles, and could be used as a
way to accelerate the creation of barter networks and sound money
programs. However, to be clear, ANYONE with enough focus and enough patience can set up a barter network within their town or city. The
primary thing to remember, is that this must be done now, while we
still have the ability to maneuver, not after we’re already in a
financial stranglehold.

For anyone out there that still doubts the need for
localized commerce, sound money, and private trade groups, I suggest
they consider the following:

1) In 2010, for the first time in
two decades, central banks around the world became net buyers of gold,
driving prices to record highs:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-29/gold-buying-central-banks-may-signal-bullion-extending-record-price-rally.html

Some skeptics site George Soros’
recent dumping of his gold holdings which was partly attributed to the
drop in metals this past month. However, what they don’t
seem to grasp is that Soros dumped his ETF holdings, or paper gold,
which were likely unbacked by any physical as most ETF securities are
unbacked. He dumped inherently worthless stocks. Unfortunately, this kind of manipulative action by bankers still has psychological effects on the markets. But, as always, gold and silver are coming back stronger than ever, and foreign banks continue to buy.

If global banks are buying up precious metals in
enormous quantities, then logically, it serves our interests to protect
ourselves in the same fashion. More states need to adopt sound money legislation now, as Utah did, before it is too late.

2) The method that the Bureau of
Labor Statistics uses to calculate inflation has been changed 24 times
since 1978, making the CPI the most skewed index in history. The Fed reports inflation at 2.7 percent, and core inflation at 1.2 percent. If
one were to calculate inflation using the old methods, the CPI would
actually be 10 percent, and this is still a conservative estimate when
one considers that most commodities, from oil to grains, have doubled in
price in the past two to three years. The Fed and the BLS
hide true inflation because it signals bad monetary policy and warns the
world that the dollar is devaluing at an alarming rate. Any economy that is still tied to the dollar as this process escalates will be beaten bloody. This includes your local economy. Decoupling
from the dollar and building alternative markets using methods outside
of the mainstream is the only way to cushion the blow. Foreign economies are slowly distancing themselves from the Greenback, and so should we.

3) Remember the
mortgage crisis that triggered the never-ending bailouts of corporate
bankers who gave themselves huge Christmas bonuses as a special thanks
to the American taxpayer? Well, the crisis never stopped. Foreclosure sales have continued to climb, and home values dropped in 75 percent of U.S. cities in the first quarter of 2011:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-10/home-prices-drop-in-three-fourths-of-u-s-metro-areas-realtors-group-says.html

What have global banks done in response? They continue to make wild bets on housing! Why not! It’s not their money! Bank
of America in particular has thrown billions into a gamble that housing
prices will bounce back in the last half of this year, even while the
fundamentals of the economy show no signs whatsoever that house prices
will return, or that people will suddenly begin buying again en masse.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-10/bank-of-america-billions-of-dollars-in-losses-at-stake-on-moynihan-outlook.html

Will bailouts of the “Too Big To Fails” continue? Absolutely. This
signals not only the disintegration of America’s last store of value
(property), but also the relentless creation of debt and currency
devaluation caused by an out of control quantitative easing policy. Bailouts have severe consequences. Don’t ever let old Benanke tell you otherwise…

4) U.S. long term Treasury auctions continue to perform dismally. Foreign
buyers are few, and most prefer not to invest in American debt for more
than six to eight weeks at a time, let alone thirty years:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/30-year-prices-438-very-weak-auction-indirects-flee

The Federal Reserve now revels in its role as the
only serious purchaser of U.S. bonds, expanding new national debt while
paying for old national debt with a printing press, of all things. The question is not whether Congress will raise the debt ceiling to continue this madness. Of course they will raise the debt ceiling! The real question is; what will happen when they do? Are
you willing to bet your own survival on the hope that foreign holders
of U.S. treasury bonds will not dump their reserves in protest of the
cycle of inflationary debt doom created by the Treasury and the Fed? I’m not…

5) Are you a state or federal employee planning retirement? Expecting your pension fund to cover it? Don’t
bother. Currently, the U.S. Treasury under the ever shameless Timothy
Geithner is siphoning revenues from federal employee pension funds and
401K’s and using them to pay for the horrible machine to keep rolling
while they create even more debt. Of course, Timmy assures us that they’ll put the money back once the debt ceiling is settled:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/treasury-to-tap-pensions-to-help-fund-government/2011/05/15/AF2fqK4G_story.html

States have been creeping towards pension confiscation for at least a year. New
propaganda talking points include arguments that many pensions are
“padded” by employees using legal loopholes to “manipulate overtime” or
steal more money from taxpayers. In some cases this may be
true, but already you can see that the rationalizations are being formed
in the public mind which will allow states to more easily confiscate
all pension funds, as if all state employees nickel and dime the system
and should be punished. In reality, pension confiscation
will only be about poor state management and fiscal ineptness. 
Austerity is about to go into full swing here in the U.S.:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-20/california-legislation-takes-aim-at-pension-padding-for-460-000-official.html

Without the retirement nest egg you spent half your life procuring, what will you do? Continue to rely on the establishment structure that stabbed you in the back? Or, will you step away from the structure completely, and build your own?

6) “Low Food Security” in U.S. households, which is measured by the Census Bureau, grew by 39 percent from 2007 to 2008. The poverty rate has hit a 15 year high. Considering
that the Census sets the poverty level standard as thin as a family of
four living for under $21,000 a year (a ridiculously low income for four
people to live on), it would be safe to assume that poverty is much
higher in this country than is officially reported:

http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/us_hunger_facts.htm

This mass of destitution and potential homelessness is hidden away by one thing; entitlement programs. Welfare and foodstamps have created an illusory barrier between our society and the poor that inhabit it. What happens if entitlement programs disappear? All of that ugly truth we tried to ignore will come flooding into full view. Alternative
markets aren’t just a stop gap for ourselves, they are also a new
option for those who have lost everything to the volatile mainstream
economy. We can either make a safety net for those millions
struck by poverty, and help them to become self sufficient, or we can
let them stew out on the streets, waiting for more government handouts,
until they turn towards more violent means to get what they need. Ultimately, by creating new methods of commerce today, we can prevent far greater turmoil and destruction later on.

7) I don’t know if you have noticed, but the world seems to be going loony tunes lately. Unrest is washing over the Middle East like a boiling tidal wave. Protestors are being mowed down by gunfire in Syria, Yemen, and Egypt. The Libyan War is going to go on for years. Pakistan is barely able to hide its own destabilization. The U.S. is sending predator drones into people’s bathrooms in countries across the planet. The EU is now continuing its steady descent into debt default, one overleveraged country at a time. And,
Japan is living up to its reputation as the birthplace of such
luminaries as Godzilla and Mothra, its seas and air absorbing
radioactive material beyond anything we ever saw at Chernobyl. You have to wonder if this is all leading to some kind of climax.

Because of globalization, almost every nation on Earth has been pushed into interdependency with every other nation. At least economically. What happens on one side of the planet effects the other side of the planet. This
fact should be considered by those Americans who live oblivious to
world events, or ignorantly believe that what happens in Vegas stays in
Vegas. We are certainly not protected from the strife across the oceans. Why? Because we have no independent decentralized systems in place to counter the failings of global “harmonization”.

We as average Americans with limited incomes cannot
quickly develop alternative markets on a global scale, but we can
create such markets in our immediate communities. Each new
free and self contained market reinforces the others, until eventually,
you have a network of independent organizations which serve to support
each other simply by being independent. It sounds like a contradiction, or perhaps even a paradox, but it is an undeniable model. The more free a culture is, the more self reliant a culture is, the more prosperous it becomes. Our job, is to bring America back to that realm of prosperity, one town, one city, one state at a time

 

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Fri, 05/27/2011 - 21:24 | 1318560 Yes_Questions
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This is why the globalist system strains so hard to undermine any concept of “choice”. Either you use the dollar, or you starve. Either you work within the corporate framework, or you starve. Either you accept the autocratic puppeteering of groups like the Federal Reserve, or you starve. As soon as people begin to recognize that they actually have other options beyond the establishment status quo, the base of power for the elites falls apart.

 

This is the knowledge sorely lacking in understanding the economy.  There should not be any qualifying words before or after economy, unless the topic involves transactions facilitated using currency whose value is utterly out of the control of the end users.  You know, participation in commerce within the confines of a law imposed by interests with designs on the control of the end users.

Remember, the banksters are running a cage match between Capital and Labor, and Labor is pinned to the cage at this stage.  Thus, Capital has the cold comfort of dominating Labor as it now stands; the pendulum swings.  But it is the banksters after all that create the capital, control the accumulation of same by Capital and/or Labor at will.  Usually in the form of debt.

 

Leave creative, entrepanureal (Capital) and productive, deliverable oriented (Labor) talents to their own devices sans the presence of a currency borne of debt!

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 22:43 | 1318726 samsara
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++

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 13:43 | 1319468 downwiththebanks
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The Banker-Gangsters don't create Capital.  Capital is based upon social relationships - the historically specific resources mobilized for the purposes of wealth accumulation. 

And without Labor-Power to do the REAL WORK of PRODUCTION, the money held by some some arrogant, 5'8" 165 lb. tool who can't cook toast has NO productive utility from the Capitalist's point of view.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 20:57 | 1318578 libertus
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Brandon,

Thak you for this report. I appreciate your prospective. Looks like I'm starting a time bank in Vermont. 

All the best brother.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 21:01 | 1318589 camoes
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THEY ARE NOT PAYING TAXES!!! THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW, RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 21:06 | 1318601 Yen Cross
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 Shadow banking? Ohh pray tell. I need some Pigeons and Camels!

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 21:38 | 1318658 GottaBKiddn
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The one really nice thing about collapse is that everything becomes "alternative".

 

 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 21:43 | 1318666 kito
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While i may agree with much of the article, basing a potential collapse on the craziness of the world is tenuous at best. There has ALWAYS been craziness in the world. Pick any period and you will find madness.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 22:42 | 1318691 samsara
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Pick any period and you will find madness.

Ya,  But you ain't seen madness till you see it played with 6.6 BILLION PLAYERS.

America Ain't Seen crazy with 300 Million Players.

(1930's what, we had about 75 million)

 

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 08:42 | 1319112 Al Gorerhythm
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There has never been a monetary system this fucking crazy. we have the first global reserve currency, backed by nothing, based on the receiver maintaining faith in the issuer not to debase it. Every other country in the world has a currency that uses the reserve currency as a measuring stick. Their currencies are used by "consumers" who place their faith in their CB to not debase it. World currencies have a debasement "Target" pursued by the issuers. It is called inflation in prices. In reality it is known as debasement. Your labor is measured by the currency you receive. Wages have declined for years and have diminished to half their original exchange rate since 1970. Your worth in terms of the coupons that you exchange for time and expertise, is being devalued daily, globally. These times then are particularly warped. The new normal. They can keep their funny money. I'll keep exchanging it for the real.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 21:44 | 1318670 whoopsing
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Bigger is better is dead.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 21:58 | 1318682 jomama
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we'll survive, just our sovereignty will not survive.

USA will become part of greater incorporated north america.

and most americans will be happy to play along, so long as their little bubble isn't disturbed too much.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 23:33 | 1318772 High Plains Drifter
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well darn it. i hope they get that nfl contract ironed out soon. i don't want to miss any football this year. already , we are going to miss out on summer training camps. damn i hate it when that happens. oh well. right now i am ok. all weekend long we can watch really cool war movies to make us feel good about ourselves and war and how our mercenaries are all doing it all just for us.......oh it makes my heart feel sooooooooo good.........doncha know......

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 22:22 | 1318702 1911A1
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http://tradefirst.com/

This is an existing trade network in Michigan, Ohio and Florida.

 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 23:15 | 1318752 Hephasteus
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Stop this end the fed junk.

Just continue the tradition. It's how you develope normalcy bias's.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 23:27 | 1318764 Cursive
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Excellent post.  This answers the question raised earlier today by the Gordon Long guest post: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-economic-death-spiral-has-been-triggered.  A vast cash market already exists to avoid paying the confiscatory taxes of an out of control governmental beauracracy.  As that beauracracy is slowly robbed of its oxygen, it is only inevitable that the cash market turn to bartering.  Unless we experience massive deflation and the accompanying societal reforms (which seems very unlikely), the USD collapse is a certainty.  Brandon Smith offers excellent advice about the day after tomorrow.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 07:03 | 1319063 downwiththebanks
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Yeah - the government bureaucracy is out of control.  Not the Banker-Gangsters who run it.

Way to get to the heart of the problem.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 08:17 | 1319090 Cursive
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@downwiththebanks

Who pissed in your corn flakes this morning?  I'm fully aware of the role that the plutocracy/banking oligarchy/TPTB plays here.  However, if we didn't allow the government to control so much of our lives or if we didn't allow state sanctioned monoplies such as the FRB, where would banksters be then?  The heart of the problem is not that greedy control freaks exist on Earth, the heart of the problem is that we have collectively handed them control of our money supply with little to no checks or balances.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 13:14 | 1319415 downwiththebanks
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To suggest that we have handed control over to the Banker-Gangsters implied that 'we' had it to give away at some point.  Yet that's not the case at all.  

"Greedy control freaks," as you put it, created the modern nation-state to protect their stolen shit from those it calls thieves!

That's called the "Rule of Law".  Really, though, it's Banker-Gangster Law.  The politicians simply to their bidding.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 14:08 | 1319503 cosmictrainwreck
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dat's right. "we" shure as shit didn't hand anything over.... it was simply taken, by both sly, subtle & deceitful methods & out-right theft

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 15:03 | 1319562 Shell Game
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Gold is the anti-fiat, therefore gold is the anti-banker gangster.  With no kleptocratic backing, gold is literally the banker's poison.  A gold standard and a reduced government would destroy the banking oligarchy.  But I wonder, would folks like you have the intestinal fortitude and moral fortitude to live and thrive in a gold-standard world?  Or would you replace one mess (corporate fascism) with another mess (socialism)?

You have a deep misunderstanding of capitalism.  One must take a hard and real look at the truth (the good and bad) of all economic/political systems through history.  Keep in mind that capitalism left this country a good 20 years ago. Thus, what we have now is not and cannot be called capitalism.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 23:39 | 1318768 High Plains Drifter
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meanwhile back in japan.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230406650457634826351233693...

japan is sooooooooo over........

Japan senior political figure Ichiro Ozawa

[...] Some day we may not be able to live in Japan. There is the possibility that the power plant can reach the state of criticality again. If it explodes, it’s a huge matter. Radiation is being leaked in order to keep the reactors from exploding. So, in this sense, it’s even worse than letting the power plant explode. Radiation is going to be flowing out for a long period of time. This is not a matter of money, but of life and death for the Japanese. If Japan cannot be saved, then the people of Japan are done for. We can always print money. Ultimately the people will have to bear the burden. Government must be determined to put a stop to radioactive pollution no matter what it takes, money or otherwise. The Japanese people must understand the situation. [...]

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 00:16 | 1318835 slewie the pi-rat
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thanks, HPD.  altho ozawa may be overstating by seemingly equating criticality with explosion, we have certainly seen a ton of intermittent criticality and the resultant radiation. and, we probably can't rule explosion completely out, either. 

so, here is someone standing against the japanese goobermint and the nuclear industry and engineers.  yay! 

so let's tone down the bullshit and try to get a handle on whether japan is becoming uninhabitable, and if so, how much, how fast, and what can be done?  this dynamic is not very pretty.  so, let them hear each other, and let us hope this is the beginning of figuring out, as he said:  no matter what it takes, money or otherwise. 

no one will accuse the japanese of being panicked and irrational.  but calm and irrational ain't doin it!

so let's try calm, orderly, and rational.   see what happens, ok? 

ichiro ozawa.  respect. 


Sat, 05/28/2011 - 08:22 | 1319097 Cursive
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@High Plains Drifter

We are watching the extinction of highly advanced society.  Fukushima only accelerated this course, but an unending faith in Keynesian economics and central planning were the real culprits.  Japan is a warning call to America, but few are listening.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 15:04 | 1319579 Shell Game
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Japan is a warning call to America, but few are listening.

It truly is our fortune being told to us in real time...

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 23:54 | 1318795 strannick
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"Not “integration”, “harmonization”, or some fantastical nonsensical “global village” administrated by a faceless unaccountable transnational entity like the IMF, infested with sociopathic maid raping euro-trolls."

"Dont you know who I am? DONT YOU KNOW WHO I AM??!!"

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 23:56 | 1318800 cosmictrainwreck
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o/t (sort of) but speaking of economic collapse, martial law, fascism, etc. what was the name of that program where they were signing up all kinda "citizens" to be little homeland Security junior rangers? Got their own little special ID card & alleged access to........[whatever]. Thousands of little rats everywhere.... one of your neighbors is probably one. Anybody? 

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 00:39 | 1318855 cosmictrainwreck
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Homeland Security Response Network: "Prepared Citizens - Prepared Communities" Aw, hell, they only got 2619 members. Guess I'm getting paranoid in my old age. 

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 04:31 | 1319008 StychoKiller
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The moniker "Hitler Youth" was already taken...

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 00:20 | 1318837 Moe Howard
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+ counterfiet goods spamming.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 00:29 | 1318845 cosmictrainwreck
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yeah, the bitch really gets around... was on other thread, too. probably every one

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 00:52 | 1318866 plocequ1
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Dont forget Seymore Butts Corp. He makes a fine product

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 11:28 | 1319256 Stuck on Zero
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Fiona has a service sector job.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 14:16 | 1319521 11b40
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I'll trade you a pair of '56 Mercury fender skirts for a pair of those Replica Air Jordan's.....size 11, please.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 14:52 | 1319576 cosmictrainwreck
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thanx - my first laugh o' the day

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 20:55 | 1320062 gall batter
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fiona was kicked off Ebay.  

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 00:32 | 1318848 zhandax
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Only one junk per customer, I see.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 00:55 | 1318868 zhandax
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The author complains that our economy has had all the manufacturing outsourced and we have all been relegated to service jobs.  This is the central obstacle to forming an alternative market structure.  They work fantastically well if you want your hair cut, your plumbing fixed, or any type of service work.  Where they fall down are large infrastructure manufactured goods.  You may be able to involve medical services.  You may be able to involve local farmers.  Excellent resource in season.  Unfortunately, in most of North America, that is about 4 months.  As the video above shows, this concept works well for clothes.  There are still some manufactured goods in the US which can be involved. 

But where the concept falls flat is gas for the car, power for the house, and food in the winter.  Solve those three and we can, indeed, kick the oligarchs to the curb.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 20:05 | 1319155 tip e. canoe
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"gas for the car, power for the house, and food in the winter"

all potentially solved with currently available technology if enough creative & skillful like minds got together & were able to put the solutions into practice. 

of course, it's that last part that's the kicker...

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 04:37 | 1319010 laughing_swordfish
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I think the solution should be along the lines of dis-association and secession, perhaps splitting the US into 6-10 self-sufficient independent countries.

Texas, for example, could revert to the Texas Republic, as it has energy resources, a skilled population, and the basis for a competitive manufacturing base (low taxes and regulations, etc.).

The remaining states of the Old Confederacy could band together and pool their resources as a confederated free-trade area, as they would have sufficient food and natural resources, and they would have the ideological base to form a free-market, sound-money economy.

The Mountain West could do the same with minerals and other extractable resources would have the basis to create employment and trade with Texas and the confederacy for other things they need and can't produce.

Great Plains Nation (OK, KS, NE,SD, ND) ...food and energy.

Post-industrial midwest...no hope there, petitions Canada for admission. Gives Canada a doubled population and the beginnings of an industrial base for self-sufficiency (Michigan, Ohio join Ontario, IL, IN, WI, MN become Canadian provinces).

NE states become new nation of New England, petition EU for admittance, adopt euro, transfer sovereignty to Brussels.

In last attempt to hold US together, feds sell CA and OR to China in exchange for debt cancellation, thus triggering dissolution of United States. AK, WA join British Columbia. HI, Guam ceded to China.

 

Just thinkin'

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 07:01 | 1319062 downwiththebanks
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Divide and rule is always  the Banker-Gangsters' plan.

To make this work, you'd have to play the regions off against one another to the point where they'll willingly slaughter each other.

And slaughter is good for business, baby!  Yay Capitalism.

Sounds like a great plan.  Far better than dealing with the Banker-Gangsters who put the world in the situation is now finds itself.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 11:26 | 1319245 knowless
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oregon is similiar to texas ideologically.. it's just that people only ever talk about portland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_%28independence_movement%29

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 13:58 | 1319500 High Plains Drifter
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texas checking in here. if we become our own country,  can we make all of the pepper bellied wetbacks and towelheads leave our new country?

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 14:28 | 1319544 11b40
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More likely the opposite.  Within 5 years of independence, you would be saluting the Mexican Federales, if they let you stay.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 07:18 | 1319073 overmedicatedun...
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down w banks, please educate us to what part of Ryan's plan is "Genocide"..

if you do not respond, we all will know that you are a "robot socialist troll."

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 08:29 | 1319091 IdioTsincracY
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The part that continues and accelerates the destruction of the middle class ...

let me break it down for you:

1) supply side and trickle down economics (Reagonomics) have caused the exact opposite of what they promised: i.e. the transfer of more and more wealth to the top .... hence the destruction of the middle class began ...

2) Since the 80s, wages and the percentage of wealth held by the middle class has steadily decreased

3) Deregulation gave incentives to the market as a whole to go beyond the dynamic of supply and demand, and introduce artificial elements (greed) whose only purpose was wealth extraction from 90% of the population, and had nothing to do with investment in worthy activities and the reward of successful ideas

4) As the transfer of wealth to the top 10% of the population accelerated, and the middle class found itself without savings and with lower wages and lower purchasing power in light of rising costs, the Real Estate ponzi scheme was born, inducing the middle class into more debt (unrealistic debt)

5) As the 'good of the nation' became the 'good of shareholders', the indebted middle class was called upon rescuing the failed entities of failed financial and economic markets. In doing so more wealth was transfered to the top ...

6) Finally, enter Paul Ryan and the like ... they tell us that there is no money (true, of course, only if you look at the middle class and not the top 10%), they still push the failed supply side - trickle down bull shit, and now, to complete the destruction of this country, they are going to take away the few safety nets available to 90% of the population

Now, here comes the thuth ... according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office the only plan that actually balances our budget (the ONLY one) is the one presented by the Congressional Progressive Caucus:

http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf

Think about it ... balanced budget by 2021 ...non-partisan-fucking numbers!!!

Paul Ryan's plan would add at least 5-6 trillion to our debt .... again, non-partisan numbers! So, it adds to the deficit and it further destriys the middle class ... tell Paul Ryan to go fuck himself!!!

Don't call me socialist, you fuck! I am a progressive and you can shove you oligo-socialism trickle-down bullshit up your ass! The only socialist policies in this Country have been those who saved banks and financial markets ... so, screw you!!

The only fucking plan that balances the budget and nobody talks about it ... not the MSM .... not the financial-political oligarchy ... what does that tell you  ... you koolaid-drinking shit-head?!?!?!

remember: what's good for the Country, is not good for the fucking oligarchy!!

The Republican and Democratic oligarchs are both against us .... wake up!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOrSURZKrcw

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 08:30 | 1319101 overmedicatedun...
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idiot, because we have a complex world one should not draw conclusions as to cause and effect too quickly..some other items that occurred in your time frame:the policy of shipping jobs overseas, the reduction of tariffs on imports, nafta, the uninhibited money printing of the FED,increased regulation at all levels of government of business, the Barney Frank pumping of the real estate markets, the blocking of home grown energy production, the rise of government unions, continuous wars..all the above aided by corrupt pols of both parties but the demorats by no means take a back seat in their march to collectavism and rule of man not of law..the last the corruption of our courts also is not a topic discussed much but the courts were the last protection of the public from the wide reach of the politicians in gov..

another perspective on the 80's on ward. 

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 08:45 | 1319109 IdioTsincracY
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Some correct ... some wrong .... for instance:

1) not increased regulation, but lack of enforcement of regulation, courtesy of the Oligarchy buying off politicians and regulators ...

2) Blaming Barney Frank for the Real Estate bubble .... bullshit, of course!!! Anybody who has gone through the mortgage process knows that one goes to a Bank to ask for the loan, the Bank decides how much to give you, the Bank and its lawyers prepare the hundreds of documents you have to sign ..... and Barney Frank is at fault .... of course!! NOT!! (BTW, I do not give a fuck about Barney Frank!)

3) the Rise of unions .... well that coincided with the succes of the middle class .... the opposite is true now ... as the unions disappeared, the middle class lost its voice .... and the rest it history ..... bullshit!! always fighting among ourselves!!!

As for all the other points you make, I agree completely, and you would agree with me if you were to look at them in light of the extraction-of-wealth/demise-of-middle-class dynamic!

You just need to ask yourself one question: Who benefits from this?

Who benefits from shipping jobs overseas?

Who benefits from uninhibited money printing?

......

The answer is never the middle class, or the Nation ..... it is alway the Oligarchy ....

Fuck the oligarchy!!!

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 09:30 | 1319140 Imminent Collapse
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++ IdioTsincracY

I'm with you, but the question is, how to respond to prepare for the obvious collapse that is soon upon us.  Alternative markets?  Can't hurt.  But only a small piece of the puzzle.  Can we change the social patterns in time and in a way that they can't be corrupted so completely? Whenever people are involved, it is difficult.  Do we focus on our individual survival with food, water, PMs, guns?  Well, that is a bit myopic to think that we can stand this hurricane independently.

I have yet to hear a cogent plan and response to the upcoming issues, but I am doing what I can personally:  trying to alert everyone and educate them (for which I am labelled a "kook"), bought a year's supply of food (also derided by my family for that), have no debt, moved to the country, began an organic farm, bought PMs.  But I know that when the shit hits the fan, it will be unlikely suffice.

The spiritual side of this, however, tells me that when the patterns are dysfunctional, then the consequences are guaranteed.  There is a balance not only between the ying and yang of this world, but also the eternal perspective.  Of course religions have adopted dysfunctional patterns as well, thereby creating justification for ignoring all spiritual concepts, but that is a mistake as well.  

Everything is about balance, so I am going to go get on my tractor and do a little plowing.  Hope you all have a great day.  Enjoy and don't worry.  In the long run, it will all work out.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 13:34 | 1319454 downwiththebanks
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An easy program:

1.  Nationalize the Fed and seize the assets of member banks.  Zero out all debts incurred by fraudulent means.

2.  Initiate a People's Tribunal, and put the Banker-Gangsters before it to answer for their crimes.

3.  Reinstitute a usury law

4.  100% margin requirements on all derivative speculation for non-hedgers

5.  2% derivatives turnover tax

6.  90% surtax on corporate bonuses

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:45 | 1319195 oldmanagain
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Kudos to IDIOT.  Animal spirits destroy.  UP is not down, tax cuts do not pay for themselves.  A society without law, regs, a social contract, is no longer a society.  Right wing crys are songs of ignorance.  Used by those who indeed do not give a whit about society.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 13:24 | 1319440 downwiththebanks
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A better question to ask is what from Ryan's 'Genocide 2020' plan isn't genocidal.

We can start with the part that denies grandma coverage because she's wastefully blown through her allocation of 'health services'.

How much do the Banker-Gangsters get hit in 'Genocide 2020'?

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 14:04 | 1319502 High Plains Drifter
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well i can answer that question. for one thing, it is too little too late. also you know how politics is, this thing will start out like this and before it gets passed a lot of things will happen to the bill. ryan knows this. he is just postering for the camera. he is bought and paid for by  just like all of them in congress and that includes ron , i am sorry to say. on the last  part, i can't prove it  , 100 percent, but that is just my opinion on it. there is no political way out of this unless and that is a big unless, unless the white people and others who want to help out, realize what is really going on and vote as a block in mass. then we shall see......

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 09:34 | 1319147 Lazane
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a most difficult time for most, though a prosperous period of time for me and mine was the period of 1980-81-82-83-84  we would say "barter is better" and it certainly was. Barter for just about any product or service you would desire to own and consume. If we are heading back to these times, sign me up, what have you available to trade my friend? 

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:21 | 1319179 tmosley
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Would you mind telling us more about your bater experiences from the early 80's?  I would be interested to hear that.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 09:36 | 1319149 Lazane
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a most difficult time for most, though a prosperous period of time for me and mine was the period of 1980-81-82-83-84  we would say "barter is better" and it certainly was. Barter for just about any product or service you would desire to own and consume. If we are heading back to these times, sign me up, what have you available to trade my friend? 

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:02 | 1319165 Stuck on Zero
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Can we set the record straight on the "service sector?"  The government says people have moved from the manufacturing sector to the service sector and I ask: "What service?"  There are no gas station attendants, movie ushers, breadmen, milkmen, etc. serving me as in theold days of real service.  "Service Sector" today means bureaucrats, administrators, regulators, tax preparers, overseers, government agents, enforcers, counselors, and myriad other forms of public parasites whom I have to serve.  I could do without this kind of service, thank you.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:19 | 1319172 IdioTsincracY
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I appreciate the trite and usual anti-government, anti-public sector rant ... but, seriously dude, get informed ... WTF???

Service sector:

    * Healthcare/hospitals
    * Public health
    * Waste disposal
    * Education
    * Banking
    * Insurance
    * Financial services
    * Legal services
    * Consulting
    * News media
    * Hospitality industry (e.g. restaurants, hotels, casinos)
    * Tourism
    * Retail sales
    * Franchising
    * Real estate
    * Sales

For that matter Companies like IBM rate most of what they do as 'services'.

Anyway, the part of the tertiary economy that is massively screwing us is the Banking/Financial and Healthcare ones, along with the fucking politicians (not to be confused with the whole public sector) at the service of the Oligarchy.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 11:27 | 1319250 Stuck on Zero
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I think most people could do without the 85% of healthcare personnel who are paper pushers.  IBM services mostly government.  Isn't the word mainframe synoymous with bureaucracy?  Legal services are mostly forced upon us and they force healthcare and the insurance industry on us.  The news media ...  do I dare?  Real estate?  Good grief.  Education?  Don't you read ZeroHedge?  Financial services?  You mean like tax preparers, stock brokers, and mortgage brokers?

I'll give you a break, hospitality is cool.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:17 | 1319335 IdioTsincracY
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Dude ... wtf?!?!

IBM services mostly government?!?!?

Mainframe = bureaucracy?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?

85% healthcare paper pusher?!?!?! You must mean the fucking health insurance middle-men, right?!

Education?!?!  so what now ... do we do away with schools?!?!?!

I mean, c'mon dude ..... financial = tax preparers?!?!?!?

How about banksters and speculators ... the fucking leeches ... you know?!?!?!

I don't need a break from you .... you, on the other hand, feel free to take one!

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 14:07 | 1319511 High Plains Drifter
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speaking of healthcare, i am in the veterans hospital system. i have already told my doctor if the day ever comes, that i am forced to go through a scanner before i can go in some facility and/or i have to show them some kind of national id card , etc, is the day, they see me the last time......that is a line in the sand that i have drawn for myself. i believe this is coming on many fronts. the situation in the airport is a test to see if we will put up with it. so far the cattle have just layed down on it......

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 13:17 | 1319420 downwiththebanks
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Translation:

"Where are all the colored folk who exist to serve me, a White Banker-Gangster?"

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:50 | 1319198 rsnoble
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I don't see a smooth transition from our current state of affairs to this utopia economy that's currently only enjoyed by the amish it seems.  Not only that, i'm sure it will become an interest of national security when things get really out of hand and instead of trying to accomplish what this article suggests will have tanks and troops rooming the streets.  The sob's in charge just aren't going to step away and let us take over.  I truly believe they'll do whatever it takes to stay in charge up to and including the point of using force. 

I've already been trying to decouple as much as possible but it's hard to do.  I worked construction for 15 years, was a fucking idiot that didn't look past what I was told all that time---"oh you don't need to save any of that big union money, you have a great pension to look forward to. buy buy buy!"  Now here I sit, at 42, laid off and getting 'critical status' updates on our pension in the mail which is in the top tier of worst off pensions. 

Then my wife got laid off and lost her insurance as of late, so now both of us have no insurance and she's diabetic. 

So.......there are positives:  I managed to pay my house off, I made enough selling a few items around here to pay off my last auto loan.  All I have left outside of living expenses are a 7k credit card balance with citibank.  At this time 2 years ago I had over 35k in credit card debt.  I got out of it by not making payments and getting them to settle.  I'm not going to do this with this last card because it's at zero% and I believe things are getting close to falling apart.  So my plan is---yes you guessed it---just stick it in their ass when the time comes.

And btw--I am on unemployment and unlike many that just sit around I have been looking for a job and I took a withdrawl from the union and have been back to work nonunion 2x in the past few years so it's not like im not doing anything.

In past layoffs I got by selling on ebay.  That has become more difficult, people just aren't buying like they did.  They'll still buy but it's slowed down.  Long story short...I have gone from $40hr to a junk dealer.

I can't wait for our first trip to the hospital.  Instant bankruptcy.  Of course im not real worried---I hear most medical bankruptcies are people that have insurance and I don't think I can lose my house in Kansas over it.  I also keep most of my money somewhere other than the bank.  I've learned everything you own in this country is just something for some other jackass to take away.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:49 | 1319201 rsnoble
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I don't see a smooth transition from our current state of affairs to this utopia economy that's currently only enjoyed by the amish it seems.  Not only that, i'm sure it will become an interest of national security when things get really out of hand and instead of trying to accomplish what this article suggests will have tanks and troops rooming the streets.  The sob's in charge just aren't going to step away and let us take over.  I truly believe they'll do whatever it takes to stay in charge up to and including the point of using force. 

I've already been trying to decouple as much as possible but it's hard to do.  I worked construction for 15 years, was a fucking idiot that didn't look past what I was told all that time---"oh you don't need to save any of that big union money, you have a great pension to look forward to. buy buy buy!"  Now here I sit, at 42, laid off and getting 'critical status' updates on our pension in the mail which is in the top tier of worst off pensions. 

Then my wife got laid off and lost her insurance as of late, so now both of us have no insurance and she's diabetic. 

So.......there are positives:  I managed to pay my house off, I made enough selling a few items around here to pay off my last auto loan.  All I have left outside of living expenses are a 7k credit card balance with citibank.  At this time 2 years ago I had over 35k in credit card debt.  I got out of it by not making payments and getting them to settle.  I'm not going to do this with this last card because it's at zero% and I believe things are getting close to falling apart.  So my plan is---yes you guessed it---just stick it in their ass when the time comes.

And btw--I am on unemployment and unlike many that just sit around I have been looking for a job and I took a withdrawl from the union and have been back to work nonunion 2x in the past few years so it's not like im not doing anything.

In past layoffs I got by selling on ebay.  That has become more difficult, people just aren't buying like they did.  They'll still buy but it's slowed down.  Long story short...I have gone from $40hr to a junk dealer.

I can't wait for our first trip to the hospital.  Instant bankruptcy.  Of course im not real worried---I hear most medical bankruptcies are people that have insurance and I don't think I can lose my house in Kansas over it.  I also keep most of my money somewhere other than the bank.  I've learned everything you own in this country is just something for some other jackass to take away.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:50 | 1319204 rsnoble
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I don't see a smooth transition from our current state of affairs to this utopia economy that's currently only enjoyed by the amish it seems.  Not only that, i'm sure it will become an interest of national security when things get really out of hand and instead of trying to accomplish what this article suggests will have tanks and troops rooming the streets.  The sob's in charge just aren't going to step away and let us take over.  I truly believe they'll do whatever it takes to stay in charge up to and including the point of using force. 

I've already been trying to decouple as much as possible but it's hard to do.  I worked construction for 15 years, was a fucking idiot that didn't look past what I was told all that time---"oh you don't need to save any of that big union money, you have a great pension to look forward to. buy buy buy!"  Now here I sit, at 42, laid off and getting 'critical status' updates on our pension in the mail which is in the top tier of worst off pensions. 

Then my wife got laid off and lost her insurance as of late, so now both of us have no insurance and she's diabetic. 

So.......there are positives:  I managed to pay my house off, I made enough selling a few items around here to pay off my last auto loan.  All I have left outside of living expenses are a 7k credit card balance with citibank.  At this time 2 years ago I had over 35k in credit card debt.  I got out of it by not making payments and getting them to settle.  I'm not going to do this with this last card because it's at zero% and I believe things are getting close to falling apart.  So my plan is---yes you guessed it---just stick it in their ass when the time comes.

And btw--I am on unemployment and unlike many that just sit around I have been looking for a job and I took a withdrawl from the union and have been back to work nonunion 2x in the past few years so it's not like im not doing anything.

In past layoffs I got by selling on ebay.  That has become more difficult, people just aren't buying like they did.  They'll still buy but it's slowed down.  Long story short...I have gone from $40hr to a junk dealer.

I can't wait for our first trip to the hospital.  Instant bankruptcy.  Of course im not real worried---I hear most medical bankruptcies are people that have insurance and I don't think I can lose my house in Kansas over it.  I also keep most of my money somewhere other than the bank.  I've learned everything you own in this country is just something for some other jackass to take away.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:02 | 1319310 aerojet
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I feel for you, but try to be more positive.  My dad was a union man who had to fight to stay in and eventually did collect his pension.  I don't know where you stand with that, but the part you said about your property just being something for some other jackass to take away.  Instead, think about property as:  Is this something I need to accomplish a goal?  It's just "stuff" and we have too much of it, and it sounds like you had way too much of it if you were selling stuff on eBay. 

I see a lot of guys around where I live who have "all the toys"--boats, atvs, big houses, fancy cars, but no retirement funds and thus no economic stability in their future. 

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:44 | 1319374 rsnoble
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I try be positive but the hits keep coming.  When I mentioned property I meant my house.  I can live without the other stuff.  I was an idiot for following the consumer path and thinking my pension was safe.  It's too bad it took me 42 years to grow a brain.  If I lose my house over any of this and don't have a place to live---that's the end of the road for me.  I would fight to the death over that. Literally.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:57 | 1319215 rsnoble
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I apologize for the multiple posts. I kept getting a 'bad server response' I didn't think it posted. I'm not a computer guy.

BTW I also started lifting weights again. I don't think what's coming is going to sit well with limp wristed air conditioner queens.

I've been viewed as a piece of scum most of my career cause I work with tools and get dirty. Somehow I suspect that tide will turn when all the professional types are living in grass fucking huts.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 11:16 | 1319230 rsnoble
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One last note, I really don't think we're gonna have to learn to create this smurf like society. We'll end up with some huge ass war with China and Russia, anything to keep operation "global gobble" moving forward. Fuck 'em all.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:07 | 1319315 aerojet
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I agree.  Just as soon as we all get moving in a direction, the rug will get pulled out again.  China is going to boil over at some point.  There's too many young men there with absolutely no long term prospects, their inflation is out of control, and they all work like slaves.  It's a recipe for a massive war.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 14:59 | 1319524 cosmictrainwreck
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as I have said before (and must credit the original source: Richard Mayberry) WTF ya gonna do with multi-millions of wandering-the-streets young-un's? put a fuckin' uniform on 'em and hand 'em a gun - that's what. only question is where they go first. logical choice is west to Europe (easy pickin's first) before they boat-load, convoy the lot of 'em over here. and don't gimme that nuclear-deterrent shit; it's laughable

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 11:54 | 1319295 aerojet
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I enjoyed this article even though it is deeply flawed.  Why did I enjoy it, then?  Because it talks about solutions rather than endlessly framing the problem.  I get it, there are problems, but we never move on from explaining them.  I encourage everyone to try to find local activities they can do to help educate others and help us decentralize.  I doubt any big monetary collapse is going to sweep us up all at once, but rather we are in for a long, slow slide, just like Japan has had for over 20 years now.  In other words, if you are waiting for that key bellwether moment of change, you're not going to get it.  There will be endless devaluations, and eventually a loaf of bread will be $10 and it will feel normal.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:07 | 1319318 rsnoble
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Exactly what i've been saying.  I don't see it as one huge event, but rather a gradual slide.  Those doing well--like some fuckhead relatives--will continue to view me as a loser.  It won't be until 80% of the population are living in tents that the consensus 'we're fucked' goes mainstream.  Until then--I have the advantage over fucking morons that think everything is fine and dandy and making adjustments accordingly.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:13 | 1319326 rsnoble
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btw I didn't refer to my relatives as fuckheads because im jealous.  I refered to them as fuckheads because they think everything is my fault and it has nothing to do with the the state of affairs the US is in.  I mean I guess in a way that's true because if I had gone to college and got  into something other than construction I might still be working.  But they seem to overlook the fact that we're all on the same road.  We're all going off the cliff at the end of it but some of us are further down the road than others. LMAO.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:12 | 1319332 rsnoble
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btw they must be republicans, lol.  Disclosure:  I hate all politicians.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:11 | 1319327 FreeNewEnergy
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I long for a stable unit of money, that's all. No more legal tender for all debts public and private, no floating currencies backed by nothing and good for less every day.

Give me a silver dime and I'll give you a unit of labor or a half a chicken or a fixed amount of bandwidth.

That's all I want. No shares of stock, no raids by JPM, just a fair price for silver and gold and a fixed ratio of silver to gold.

Give me that and I will give you the world. This has gotten me to thinking about a global currency, anathema to the anti-NWO types who populate ZH.

Sure, I hate the oligarchs and politicians and corporations as much as the next guy, probably more. But a global currency might not be a bad thing. We've actually only had this "floating" shit - and believe me it is shit, it has ruined the US and most of Europe - for 40 years, and I think it's time to put the float to bed, for good and get back on a bi-mettalic standard.

What's needed is an accepted standard for gold/silver, not this stupid paper chase we have today. I mean, let's get real. Six years ago, an ounce of silver bought a decent lunch. Today it buys five. That doesn't make any sense unless one buys into the "commoditized" Wall Street bullshit.

An ounce of silver is an ounce of silver. Period. Same for gold. Here: an ounce of Gold is $1600. Make the gold/silver ratio 16:1. An ounce of silver is $100. Price everything accordingly. Don't like it. Too bad. Somebody has to step up and set the market.

No more speculation. No more games. Better yet, set the values to other tangible goods, not fiat. It will take time, but the essence of a global currency already exists. Dollars, Euros, Yuan will be phased out or eliminated if everything is pegged to gold/silver. The fiats will be adjusted down, there's no doubt that has to occur.

OK, I'm rambling, but all the speculation and floating and currency cramming only serves the oligarchs, central banks and corrupt governments.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:19 | 1319339 rsnoble
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Again.......another post about what would work.  Only problem is this would work for too many of us.  We can't have that.  Bombs away.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 13:15 | 1319418 downwiththebanks
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Money is the problem.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 14:59 | 1319549 Shell Game
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Gold is the solution. [see my comment above]

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 20:19 | 1320024 tip e. canoe
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Black Eagle loves Barrick Gold

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:14 | 1319336 for a dollar more
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I am for going back to a simple and decentralized economy, and it is easy to do with a mindset change in how value is understood. Supply is put here by whatever is self regulating nature. Man did not create the seed or the egg. Intellectual ideas come to our minds from within and from help gained by education left to us from past human experiences. So we ourself inherit supply; not from some man or organization or government, but by nature; some call it God.

So when we start a small business do we really need an accounting system like quick books that can be raided by others to keep track of our supply? There are two reasons I pose this question. 1. To sovereigns, supply accountability is between ourself and God; not the IRS or government because these entities are man made graven images that want to be served. This is self evident and needs no further explanation. 2. The computer is undermining our own intelligence and critical thinking. The computer is tied to a worldwide network of centralized control through the medium of the internet. All business has been brought under this control. Allowing Quick Books and programs like it to be our accounting method has taken our control away. We have to make decisions using the rules of the program; a graven image.

So we need to use our own software in our own brain to run our own business and accounting. Use actual money or something of value in financial transactions such as purchasing raw materials for manufacturing and payment of wages to employees, rather than digital debits and credits in the bank. All the modern banking mechanisms are there to enslave us. If we consider ourselves sovereigns then we have to act like sovereigns. In the current banking system there are no such thing as sovereign funds; the term is a lie. Sovereign funds are what we ourself possess in our own pocket. Gold and Silver are the preferred coins of the sovereign. Our accounting system has to be kept in our own mind rather than the computer that can be violated.

Anyone here old enough knows how much more privacy we had before computers and the internet. We have to go back to that privacy and to do it all we have to do is remove ourselves from the source of the invasion of our privacy and the mechanism that controls our economic conditions; the internet and the computer. Not all would do this in their business and so will continue to be public. But if we are to create new green shoots in the economy while the mainstream corporate economy collapses the survivers will have to do this. Because governments are starved for money and will be groping everything and every business to get it. The worship of government is to worship a graven image created by man. Many people today worship government and bow down to its insane lawlessness. Government has created nothing and today is used as an instrument by a few to take from the people and make wars. As long as "we the people" continue to feed this monster it will take everythig from us and make us slaves to it.

When we change our thinking about supply and realize supply is from the source of this universe (I call it God), then man and government gets put in its place in our minds, as entities just as dependent on this source as ourselves for our substance. For government to work for us we have to put men in it that have this type of thinking.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 13:20 | 1319438 huckman
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Which major US metropolitan area lead the nation in commercial real estate growth in 1976-1979 and why was it booming?  It was Denver and it was the oil & gas industry.  If you believe it's not possible to have a 5-6% 10-year yield without crippling the economy then perhaps one should considere the notion of offsetting the cost of rising debt service which falling energy cost.  If you walked down 17th street in Denver in those years, it was like downtown New York.  If you had any geological degree, you were gamefully employed.  If you graduated from the Colorado School of Mines, you were golded.  For every unit of GNP, there is a unit of energy.  Someone should do a study of what the impact of a X% reduction in energy cost would equate to in making 7% interest rates affordable.  Take into consideration the huge spending stimulous that 7% returns on savings account would do.   We had the Oklahoma land run that started at high noon on April 22, 1889, with an estimated 50,000 people lined up for their piece of the available two million acres.  We had the infamous California gold rush too.  Cut loose an energy building boom in order to afford higher interest rates.   Wishfull thinking I know. 

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 15:01 | 1319575 Shell Game
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[Re: globalization] We are certainly not protected from the strife across the oceans. Why? Because we have no independent decentralized systems in place to counter the failings of global “harmonization”.

Excellent summary statement..  Thanks for the article, Brandon.

 

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 15:18 | 1319600 for a dollar more
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The Truth of the matter is there is very few safe guards in this world to protect Liberty. The biggest dog gets the biggest bone. Our civilization that has done a very good job of providing us economic Liberty and movement is now in the process of collapse. I guess I have few complaints because for most of my life I experienced these freedoms to the hilt. The preservation of Liberty belongs to the generation willing to preserve this precious right. Now that I am growing old my domain is shrinking. And that is fine with me. It is time for reflection and winding up a lifetime of pursuing interesting interests and travel. Now is the time for the younger generation to take over. This generation will decide what it wants. If they decide to accept slavery then that is fine. I might see some of it before I die but at least I lived free for most all of my life. But the fat lady has not sung her song yet so we don't know what is going to come down. The TSA is sure making headway as the modern gestapo and it will be interesting to see their role play out. I am waiting to see how the government is going to go about disarming the people. Yes it comes with the new slavery. The blacks in this country think their ancestors that came to this country as slaves have a place in history, well as this act in our history plays out they and all the white, yellow, and brown people in this country are going to find themselves in a new kind of slavery. In fact many are now in economic slaverty. But who knows, maybe the tide will change, or as the Chinese say, the bamboo will blow the other way, and the rich elites that control our system will find themselves in contempt of the people with no way to escape their fury.

I was fortunate to live and travel the world when the population was about 2 billion. There was plenty of room, the roads were not over run by automobiles and trucks, the cities were not overbuilt, and the natural resources and wildlife was a plenty. People everywhere were friendly and there was no strife. Airline travel was fun and people dressed up to fly. Life was plesant and an adventure.

Today we are over populated and resources are becoming scarce. We have fished out the oceans and overworked our infrastructure. Now we are going to war with other countries and subduing them for the remaining resources around the world. We have cut down most of the forrests paved over our rich farmlands, and literally polluted our oceans. I have seen the devestation firsthand. To boot we have polluted our ground waters with chemicals and our air with poisenous gasses.

We now turn over the world to the next generation. Good luck with it. I did my best to keep it preserved but for humans; money speaks more than caretaking. This is the inheritance we leave for you. Increasing storms, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and economic & political turmoil. Malama Na Ka Ina.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 19:41 | 1319978 High Plains Drifter
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100 million dollar piece of ass.

http://laist.com/2011/05/18/identity_of_schwarzenegger_spawngat.php

wow, just looking at her, makes me want to lose money.......

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 20:56 | 1320067 gall batter
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She looks a little juicier than Maria.

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