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Guest Post: Bernanke’s Unstoppable, Self Reinforcing Feedback-Loop

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Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:10 | 1016390 trav7777
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they do not consider growth limits in finite systems in economics

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:29 | 1016452 Mad Max
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Mainstream economics is looking about as legitimate as wizardry at this time.  Less so, actually.  Wizards get better costumes too.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:43 | 1016509 Devout Republican
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I'm sure all can agree on the facts of the article.  But what if he stops printing?  Then what happens?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 18:18 | 1016608 the rookie cynic
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Screwed either way. Stopping now would cause a sudden crash, but the middle class might make it. Continued printing will lead to two-tier society of rich, globally focused elites and the rest of us poor bastards. Emphasis on poor. Middle class is getting killed of by inflation, falling wages, unemployment, and taxes. http://therookiecynic.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/is-this-my-new-reality/

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 19:30 | 1016903 Calculated_Risk
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I rolled a 20!!! Double damage on the magic money spell bitchez!!!!

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:11 | 1016393 Temporalist
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It seems to me that proposing a non-debt based money is still printing money to solve the problem isn't it?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:18 | 1016422 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Exactly.

.gov's earn through taxation, commerce, and outright theft. Time for us to go steal some gold and natural resources from these shitstain countries who do not bow and cower.

Then .gov is going to need you to turn in your metals. You will get a tax credit, redeemable over a 20 year period.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 18:21 | 1016522 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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It seems to me that proposing a non-debt based money is still printing money to solve the problem isn't it?

The control of money became a sine qua non tool for the power hungry a long time ago.

Q: Is it better to be rich or wise?

A: It is better to be rich, for the wise are always knocking on the doors of the rich.

-Ancient Philosophical Anecdote

We should have come up with a money system that serves a sustainable world for us to live in, but the power-hungry are not interested in making a sustainable world for us — they are interesting in making one sustainable for them.

So the power-hungry money controllers reward the "wise" academics for ignoring the role of debt-based money in the ponzeconomy(), much as they pay the media for ignoring it. The best agents of the power-hungry in academia and media are the unwitting agents who, "like everyone else" at the end of the day, do the work because they "need the money".

And here we are now at the terrific collision of energy, economy, and money — the masses totally unprepared — and we have no wide consensus on what to use for money. Silver and lead, I suppose, will be the default answers.

The power-hungry have ever used "silver or lead", "plata o plodo" as the default answer for bending men to their will.

And you can bet that the power hungry have a loosely scripted plan to keep themselves in control of the money in any financial event. After all, they can promote it on the masses via the media.

Will some day the people literally beg to be chipped with RFID links to their money, as predicted by Peter Joseph?

I think perhaps yes.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 01:54 | 1017699 newworldorder
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Very well stated.

Some additional thoughts here. The current debt based financial system was designed as a self perpetuating process to extract inflation wealth from the masses for the benefit of the banksters and for the politicos to run government operations without asking for additional money from the voters.  

I am convinced that no-one wanted to kill the golden goose. The complexity of modern banking through the use of derivatives and the size of the international financial system unleashed the criminal and animal spirits among the cartel. Over time they stole so much from the productive segments that there really is not much left for their profits or to run government needs.

Matt Taibi's vampire squid is a really good analogy, not only for the blood it drains from the host, but also in how it weakens the host over time.

Question is: Can the system be changed in time or are we all doomed?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 03:25 | 1017796 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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I return the "very well stated" compliment.

I'm pessimistic from before I awake until after I go to sleep, so even though I too want to change the system in time, I "know" we are all doomed.

Vampire squids are called vampires not because they draw blood but because they can disappear like a vampire. And that is the money-masters' #1 trick. They move away from the light with reflex speed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_squid

I still have no golden advice for readers to save themselves from the night and from the vampires, but I do recommend the comic book link below (find a link from me below in this thread).

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 03:10 | 1017782 Temporalist
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Here is another ancient philosophical anecdote and answers why the wise would be knocking:

"A fool and his money are soon parted." - Thomas Tusser

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 23:42 | 1017413 cranky-old-geezer
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It seems to me that proposing a non-debt based money is still printing money to solve the problem isn't it?

This is actually a very good question.  I can't imagine why you were junked.

In the mind of a rational person, a money system begins with something that stores value and is easily exchangeable for something of equal value.

Obviously gold and silver have historically been viewed as the basis of a money system.

Currency, paper money, came into being as a claim on stored gold and / or silver in a bank. A paper claim on gold and / or silver is more transportable and easier to use in a practical sense.

That's the point.  Paper currency began as a claim on gold and / or silver stored at a bank issuing said paper currency.  The paper has no intrinsic value. It is a claim on something of value, i.e. gold and / or silver stored in a bank (typically).

When the Fed was created, it was given authority to print Federal Reserve Notes (FRN) and they were declared legal tender as money. 

But they're not a claim on anything of value.  You can't take them to the Federal Reserve Bank and exchange them for physical gold and / or silver, so they're worthless.  Just a piece of paper with fancy green printing.  They don't represent anything of value. 

Since FRNs aren't a claim on anything of real value, the Fed can print them till they run out of paper and ink, flooding the economy with them ...which they're doing now.

The federal government could shut down the Fed, dissolve it, declare FRNs no longer legal tender, and print its own currency.  But it needs to be a claim on something of real value, hence the need for gold and / or silver backing, which we had until 1970 when Nixon eliminated that gold / silver backing, instantly making the currency worthless.

 

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 00:41 | 1017590 RockyRacoon
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A nice, clear synopsis.   Thank you.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 03:24 | 1017792 Temporalist
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I want to point out that "a non-debt based" money may imply an asset backed money but that isn't what was explicity said nor does it have to mean that.  If it were "an asset backed" money that would speak for itself.  To me a "non-debt based" currency could mean something outside of the fractional reserve banking system.  An example might be Disney Dollars, but they are backed by FRNs so they are indirectly debt based (I thought this was comical incidentally "Disney Dollars are a form of corporate scrip or tokens or currency used at Disney theme parks, the Disney Store, and at one time certain parts of Castaway Cay, the Disney cruise-line's private island. It is worth dollar for dollar.  Being backed up by real money").

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:15 | 1016408 NotApplicable
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Yet another article talking of Bernanke's "mistakes."

The Bernank's job is to destroy the unwanted competition to the ruling class known as wealth they do yet control. He, just like Greenspin, have been successful beyond their wildest dreams.

See, if they do not destroy, or otherwise steal this wealth, then it provides us with the ability to survive without their "solutions."

Anyone who does not understand this operates from an immature perspective, and is wholly a part of the problem.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 00:45 | 1017596 RockyRacoon
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Agreed.   The damage being done is inexcusable and even criminal.

As I posted in another article:

RockyRacoon
on Thu, 03/03/2011 - 23:03
#1017515

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11516

Nassim Taleb on Charlie Rose last night:  He says that economists can be wrong until people suffer for their errors.   I believe we are at that point.  The entire converstion is worth a listen (yeah, even if you skip Charlie's persistent interruptions and proving that he already knows what you are going to say).

"The risk that banks hold is like dynamite in the basement."

Taleb was outraged at Friedman's book, The Earth is Flat.

Pick up the conversation at 16:20 for the real core idea.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:16 | 1016414 apberusdisvet
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It's not just BB; we also need to go after the puppet masters.  Stoning at the foot of the Linclon Memorial might be appropriate.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:52 | 1016527 10kby2k
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Its all western civilization..up to their ears in debt and easy (crack whores are harder than the central bankers) monetary policy. The only westernized country dodging this (so far) are the aussies because they have metal.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:16 | 1016415 tony bonn
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the chairshit of the frb has blood on his hands...he is an evil evil person serving the mammon loving rockefellers, soros, buffets, rothschilds, british royal family and other scum impersonating leaders...

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:17 | 1016419 duncecap rack
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How long can he keep all the balls in the air? Is the jig up this year?

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:19 | 1016425 carbonmutant
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Don't worry the White House has a plan.

The Second Great Depression won't start until the next administration.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:55 | 1016544 10kby2k
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And O'Bommy is hoping the next administration is him. They can't keep this propped up 5+ more years.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 13:29 | 1019239 carbonmutant
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This administration is strictly "Hit and Run"

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:18 | 1016426 tmftdoyle
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I would like to hear beI would like to hear one congressman/women ask the good doctor to opine on the impact policies of the 1920's had in creating his pet decade. My bet is that he has no thoughts. Oh by the way, fed policies can't impact food costs in egypt because the dollar has been weak!

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:20 | 1016431 6 String
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Well said, I share all your frustrations as most of us here, do.

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:22 | 1016434 6 String
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P.S. Days like this in the market will go down as pure bull shit chapters.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:39 | 1016493 10kby2k
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it smells like nasdaq 1999

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:55 | 1016537 6 String
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Well, that remains to be seen. Only because enough money printing can send the Dow to 100,000. It's particulary a bullshit day becuase the decoupling with PM's today. I mean, seriously, if stocks ramp, and we know its only because of massive doses of liquity injections, then there shouldn't ever been extreme decoupling days like this....

On the other hand, that's the "free market" for ya, right? Totally disillusioned market euphoria that the verticals debts and monetary monetization will NEVER come home to roost.

Ah...well, yes. The pendulum swins--between gree, fear, and stupidity. Invest accordingly.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 18:06 | 1016581 10kby2k
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It flashed its hand semi-decoupling yesterday. The oil/PM/stock relationship completely decoupled today.  If the Fed can get residential real estate on board we can party like its 1999 or 2007.  Just ONE more big party, then i'll go into rehab.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 18:42 | 1016698 6 String
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Perfectly said, 10K. Not everyone apparently knows this whole thing is a farce. The captial allocators, the brain dead and brain washed, think they're geniouses right now.

"See, I knew that baby would fly!" The fly on the wall heard.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 20:25 | 1017060 10kby2k
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And PM's are not immune.  They are a back up plan if the whole system craters (having the physical--to cushion the blow during a crisis).  The Fed doesn't like the PM trade...it mocks what they are trying to sell and appeals to their enemies. I would not be surprised to see gold reserves sold or some other assault by government to negate profiteering from their planned mistakes. PM's don't really contribute to the wealth effect. Watch out for those fuckers...you are playing their game.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 20:22 | 1017048 cxl9
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The Fed should monetize foreclosed/abandoned houses and bulldoze them. Grow the money supply, reduce housing inventory, stimulate labor demand, raise home prices, etc., etc. Couldn't be any worse than what they're doing now. Eventually we'll get back to housing market equilibrium again and it's off to the races one more time..

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 20:33 | 1017072 10kby2k
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The Feds goal is to create inflation so that the cost of building a home goes through the roof and thus raises the depressed stock of used homes. Zero new home building (we are just about there) is the target.  They don't care if the value of your currency has eroded 50%, just as long as they can get you out from underwater (underwater homeowners are serious revolution recruits).

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 20:44 | 1017082 cxl9
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Well, I wish they would get on with it. I'm about $100K underwater on a house in Washington state that I would like to get out of. Bought at the top tick of the market for use as my primary residence at the time (not speculation). I always said I would be the last person to purposely default on my mortgage. But this might be the month.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 23:25 | 1017394 10kby2k
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Hope you have a no recourse state.  You can walk away and they cannot chase you for the balance underwater.  Fuck em...just walk.  Its crap for your credit, but so common its not that big of a deal.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:24 | 1016437 lieutenantjohnchard
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what's there to disagree with? 100% accurate.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:23 | 1016441 KidHorn
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What's stated here is exactly correct. Whatever the FED chooses to call it, QE3 or its equivalent has to be done. The alternative will be the end of our economy.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:28 | 1016453 SpeakerFTD
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Funny how they taught us in the school that Andrew Jackson is one of the worst presidents ever. 

"I killed the bank!"  were apparently his last words as a dying man.

Sounds to me like he was the best president of all time.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:49 | 1016514 Dr. Porkchop
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 Mischief springs from the power which the moneyed interest derives from a paper currency which they are able to control, from the multitude of corporations with exclusive privileges... which are employed altogether for their benefit.

                                           -Andrew Jackson

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 22:46 | 1017303 Cursive
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"History is decided by those who write it."

 - paraphrase of Richard Nixon

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:38 | 1016471 Dr. Porkchop
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The phrase 'rigged casino' is a bit redundant, let's just use the term casino.

 

The sad part is, that I don't even believe that the collapse of the current system will free the people of the machinations of elites. I'd like to think that a great awakening of the people will occur, but I don't know.

 

New strongmen will arise out of the rubble, with promises to restore a broken and shattered people to their former glory (all we have to do first is take care of the internal enemies who are preventing this metamorphisis, so the narrative will go). After all, Nazism wasn't possible until after the trauma of the Great War and then a shattered economy. Healthy societies don't incubate and promote Hitlers or Stalins, and I don't believe any Hitler or Stalin would ever succeed without the backing of the elites.

The shattered ego of America will be ripe for molestation by every charlatan and confidence man who can paint a pretty picture of a return to her former glory.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:47 | 1016518 ronin12
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There are a bunch of videos on Youtube talking about some sort of "great awakening" happening in 2012.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 20:12 | 1017032 TJWP
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See what you need to do, aside from getting your gold and silver, is take some of that worthess paper and convert it into bullets, and guns to shoot those bullets. Then YOU too can be that strongman. Afterall, gold and silver are great for bartering, but who will barter with you when they can just take what you have with their guns. I believe a perfect example of this is the police.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 23:31 | 1017405 Clockwork Orange
Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:46 | 1016479 SparkyvonBellagio
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Dear benny - PHUCK YOU!

Unless the USA is currently being held hostage by Aliens from the planet PrintEmIfYouveGotem you are by far the Dumbest MotherPhucker ever birthed.

Could it be aliens benny? Seriously that is the only possible reason you'd sell out this Country for a bag of TV time and for the financial demise of 99% of the citizens. Do you enjoy seeing yourself on the teevee? We don't, your FUGLY mug literally looks like a skanky overgrown 70's bush from bad porn.

I have to ask you.... got crabs?

Hope QI 574722  (Quantitative Infestation 574722 finally makes you shave that thing)

 

 

ps Have a nice day you Phucking Cawksucker! 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 17:47 | 1016519 franzpick
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Listening to Ben 'n Tim's obfuscations is toxic and probably a demonstration of how language is used to disguise thought;  If some day we hear one of them explain how a collapse of the U$D was the natural result of their long-term plan to establish the $ as the world's reverse currency, with all the trade, debt and other benefits, I won't even flinch.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 18:04 | 1016573 gigeze787
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NEW TITLE:

'Bernanke's Perpetual Economic Auto-Ejaculation'

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 18:08 | 1016582 JR
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The principles that Andrew Jackson stood for concerning the nation’s finances are foundations we now sorely need. Several points Jackson made in vetoing the Second Bank of the U.S. (a central bank) in 1816 show his wisdom. They are as follows:

It concentrated the nation’s financial strength in a single institution.

It exposed the government to control by foreign interests (Israel).

It exercised too much control over members of Congress.

Banks are controlled by a few select families.

Banks have a long history of instigating wars between nations, forcing them to borrow funding to pay for them.

It served mainly to make the rich richer.


Bernanke scoffs at Jackson because the Fed rejects the Constitution’s limitations on money creation. In Thomas Jefferson’s words:

“In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”

The Founders granted the power to “coin money” as the medium of exchange and “to regulate the value thereof” to Congress to create what Jame Madison explained was “uniformity in the value” of both domestic and foreign coin.

The U.S. Constitution lists no grant of power to Congress to print paper money or emit “bills of credit.”

Bernanke’s revised history of America begins in 1913 with the creation of Paul Warburg’s central bank.

When the Federal Reserve Banks were opened for business on November 16, 1914, Warburg said:“This date may be considered as the Fourth of July in the economic history of the United States.”

And so it has been... for the private bankers who own the Federal Reserve System ... and their friends.

 

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 18:16 | 1016621 jointhewave
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This is hilarious...Watch the video 'Chairman Ben Bernanke - National Recovery Hero!' at (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr86PkjTrPQ).

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 18:19 | 1016625 Amish Hacker
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Of all the silly things said by economists, "ending QE" has to be the silliest. It's going to be QE to infinity, inflate or die, right up to the moment of detonation.

This is not a political opinion, but a mathematical certainty.

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