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Guest Post: Boiling Frog Alert: Congress Wants Automatic Wage Deductions To Pay Down The Debt
From Simon Black of Sovereign Man
Boiling Frog Alert: Congress Wants Automatic Wage Deductions To Pay Down The Debt
Folks… you just can’t make this stuff up.
On July 6th, just two days ago, at least a dozen busybody Congressmen sponsored the introduction of HR 2411, the “Reduce America’s Debt Now Act of 2011.”
They always come up with fantastic names for these pieces of
legislation… and rest assured, the better/more patriotic the name, the
more ominous the bill. This one follows the pattern.
HR 2411 states that every worker in America should be able to
voluntarily have a portion of his/her wages automatically withheld and
sent directly to the Treasury Department for the purposes of paying down
the federal debt.
“Every employer making payment of wages shall deduct and
withhold upon such wages any amounts so elected, and shall pay such
amounts over to the Secretary of the Treasury…”
That’s right. Uncle Sam is so broke that he wants to give all the
good little Americans out there the opportunity to contribute an even
greater portion of their paychecks to finance government largess.
Desperate? Hmmm…. Don’t worry, it gets better.
Obviously, if an employee feels so compelled and should elect to have
a portion of his/her paycheck withheld, the onus of responsibility is
now on the employer to make it happen. The employer has to do all the
paperwork, withhold the money, send the payment to the Treasury,
maintain the account records, and probably submit to all kinds of new
filing requirements.
You can imagine that, if passed, the bill will result in a host of
new IRS regulations, complete with a battery of penalties for employers
who don’t fill out the paperwork properly, submit filings on time, or
make some administrative mistake.
Think about it: if a small business owner has one single employee who
is dumb enough to think that it’s his patriotic duty to pay down the
debt and decides to contribute $1/month, that owner will have the
responsibility for all kinds of new forms and filings, plus submit to
new ‘debt reduction audits.’
But don’t worry, it gets even better.
So let’s say there are millions of sheep out there who elect to
donate a portion of their toil and sweat so that the Chinese and big
financial institutions don’t have to worry about an American default.
How does Congress plan on rewarding its most patriotic citizens? By
sticking it to them on their taxes, of course.
HR 2411 stipulates that any contribution made to the Treasury in order to pay down the federal debt IS NOT TAX DEDUCTIBLE.
“The [Treasury] Secretary shall include. . . a reasonably conspicuous
statement that any amounts deducted and withheld from wages. . . are
not deductible as charitable contributions for Federal income tax
purposes.”
Imagine this scenario: You make $100,000/year. In a fit of complete
insanity, you decide that you want to withhold your entire annual salary
to pay down the debt. Hey, you can always move in with mom for the next
year, right?
Well guess what– Uncle Sam will gladly take your money… and then
STILL expect you to pay taxes on the $100,000 that you earned, so you’d
have to come out of pocket with an additional $40,000 or so.
Don’t worry, though. The Social Security and Medicare wages are
reduced by the amount that you withhold, making you only liable for
state and federal taxes. Seems like a good deal, eh comrades?
There are so many things utterly wrong with his piece of legislation,
it’s hard to know where to begin other than by saying that such
intellectual and philosophical perversion is only capable of springing
from unprincipled sociopaths whose sole capability is the destruction of
value.
There’s a great quote from Atlas Shrugged that comes to mind which sums this all up:
“[W]hen you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain
permission from men who produce nothing; when you see that money is
flowing to those who deal not in goods, but in favors; when you see that
men get rich more easily by graft than by work, and your laws no longer
protect you against them, but protect them against you. . . you may
know that your society is doomed.”
We’ve discussed the story of the boiling frog so many times before– a
frog, when put into a pot of water and slowly brought to a boil,
doesn’t realize that he’s in danger until its too late. I think the
boiling frog just got a little hotter. Have you hit your breaking point yet?
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Fuck.
That.
Do everything you can to get your money out of the US!
Yep, next a yard sale or car wash, or upcake stand...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Uncle Sam tells each Amerikan (as Bernank lurks in the shadows):
I needed that laugh on this Friday! On a side note, I tell every proponent of tax increases I know, the IRS lets you mail in extra cash right now, feel free to cut the check. Funny, I've never ran into a taker.
What's next a "Secret Santa tree" for the military?
I think they already have a similar program in place. It's called FICA.
F-U-C-K__T-H-E-M
Congress: morally bankrupt since 1913.
then: we'll unconstituationally authorize a war as long as we send your kid. now: we'll pay down our drunken sailor spending sprees with your hard earned cash and not ours. future: we're going to repeal the 3rd amendment, make ourselves at home in your house, fuck your wife, and eat your kids while you watch.
how the hell do these a-holes get elected in the first place?
T Rowe Price manages my employer's 401k program. I just got a letter from them saying that starting August 1 I would be "automatically enrolled" in a 3% deduction for the plan "even if I previously elected not to participate." Naturally the wording of the letter was about how lucky I was that they made this so easy on me.
This smacks of desperation. Not sure if this descision is my employer's, or the plan, or if .gov needs to siphon more earnings into the 401ks before confiscating them, but it is very strange.
I hope you can unenroll.
is congress eligible for this deduction?
Fuck those Motherfuckers.
This what things look like when they get completely out of control.
Shut down your 401ks and your IRAs. Then buy some gold. Get to at least 5% (better 10% or more) of your net worth in gold.
Disclosure: I am at 12%, so yeah, I am talking my book a but here.
This is so very sad. It is like they are not even trying any more.
I'm sure mr. weasel head Tim Geithner had some input in this bill. After all, who else is so inclined and adept at confiscating public funds and usurping private security?
USA is going down. We're all watching it in real time.
F'in A.
Brudah, can ya spare a dime ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4yT0KAMyo
America is the best country in the world.
I am Chumbawamba.
Yes and I love Norwegian flash mobs.. [hint Norewgian= Nigger]
So that is the new term.. God Dam Norwegians! see it's great
You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah
ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...
You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
Nah, these following lyrics are more suitable since the american sheeple have no balls to revolt.....
Title: The Beatles - Taxman lyrics
One, two, three, four...
Hrmm!
One, two, (one, two, three, four!)
Let me tell you how it will be;
There's one for you, nineteen for me.
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.
Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don't take it all.
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.
(if you drive a car, car;) - I’ll tax the street;
(if you try to sit, sit;) - I’ll tax your seat;
(if you get too cold, cold;) - I’ll tax the heat;
(if you take a walk, walk;) - I'll tax your feet.
Taxman!
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.
Don't ask me what I want it for, (ah-ah, mister Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more. (ah-ah, mister heath)
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.
Now my advice for those who die, (taxman)
Declare the pennies on your eyes. (taxman)
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.
And you're working for no one but me.
Taxman!
But the fool on the Hill, sees the sun going down, and the eyes in his head, see the world spinning 'round!
Have you seen the bigger piggies
In their starched white shirts
You will find the bigger piggies
Stirring up the dirt
And they always have clean shirts to play around in.
And in their styes with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
And in their eyes there's something lacking
What they need's a damm good whacking.
Everywhere there's lots of piggies
Living piggy lives
You can see them out for dinner
With their piggy wives
Clutching forks and knives to eat their bacon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DDiWoPxA34&feature=player_detailpage
AssFire, the correct new PC term for "Niggers" is "young people". You could also substitute "youths", "teens", or make up your own extraordinarily vague term that gives the reader no idea that the attackers are really just a herd of niggers.
Chumba,
"America is the best country in the world."
LOL!...we may be going to hell in a basket, but at least I'm enjoyin the ride ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH7I6ibA-SM
IT's not the First time the US did this. They also did it during WO II to fund the war and stopped it in 1945.
And as far as i know, the US is still at war with a few countries :)
I'm pretty sure Canada has been doing this for a while now.
BTW - check out David Einhorn's Q2 commentary:
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2011/07/08/david-einhorn-commentary/
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Yeah- Arizona and Texas
The strategic difference you're missing is that last time it was done, both Germany and Japan became industrial powerhouses and balanced the TPTB's books. Total rejuvenation.
Afgan? Barring oil pipelines, and the fantasy of untold gold deposits [hello, JP Morgue] and vast poppy production, the country is so fucked that it will never rise again.
Iraq? Ok, so 14 major bases and a bit of oil... nope, that's a pump n dump as well. A decent economy reduced to fuck all. Oh, and if you didn't notice [ref: prior ZH post] - the missing billions went to ex-soviet gangsters operating in Israel. (LOL. If you're clued in, you might want to notice that the two largest Russian mafias are... Jewish. Srsly. I've been to more Bar Mitzvahs than most Rabbi's in Israel).
Bottom line: WWII 'worked' because the losers in the equation became stalwart allies in the Capitalist model [ffs, Japan basically became a US protectorate in terms of econ. modelling - GE reactors, cough, cough, and so on].
This time - there's no more growth.
p.s.
Fish [global] just died out [+70% of all stocks]. This means --- 2.6 billion people rely on the oceans, and they just ran out.
>> Get a clue.
Become an independent contractor BITCHEZ!
When, oh when will the dumbed down sheeple stop paying their income taxes???
BAAAAAAAHHHH......BAAAAAAHHHHHH........
No sheepskin Trojan's where you're going next.......
Yeah, I prefer latex when I hit the massage parlors after a good day of trading....
Sure, this program is "voluntary" ... for now!
Once they get it established, the payroll deductions will become mandatory.
When people talk of % of net worth in PM's would that be net worth excluding family home ?
I'm up to about 6% of net worth excluding family home. I'd like to go higher but I always worry that TPTB seem to have a never ending box of tools to manipulate the PM prices down.
I'll add that about 85% of the 6% is in Goldmoney.com. Rest physical. I've been flying via Dubai quite often recently and I've started buying a couple of 1oz gold coins each time. It's expensive but I like the anonymity.
A while ago someone here asked about opinions on Goldmoney. I don't think there were any replies. I trust them more than any bank but am still not 100% sure the gold is truely allocated. It's supposed to be but who knows what scams go on in the PM allocation world ?
The sheer effrontery of the scheme dazzles the mind. The gub'mint can have my penny jar...after the cat craps in it.
do they take 2nd hand clothes, furniture, past its Sell-By date cans of apricots etc?
..if they're that desperate for handouts they could have my old underpants, sports socks and a poster of Farah Fawcet-Majors (i've moved on) and could at least work a bit trying to flog/swap it as i'd rather hold onto my cash thanks
That is your employer's decision...albeit one that TRP convinced them to do. Basically, the thought is that some people who don't already contribute will be enrolled and of those enrolled, some will not opt out. Thus...more contributions for your employer (helps for compliance testing the highly comped guys) and more importantly...more funds managed by TRP to siphon off via expense ratio.
Fucking captcha.
Thanks, that's what I figured. Got a reminder set to un-enroll the same day!
Got the same wording provided to me, however not from T.Rowe Price but rather Fidelity...
They actually include it in the benefits section, "you will be automatically enrolled at a 3% contribution rate"... no thanks assholes. I'll keep my money and decided how to invest it myself, ticker symbols: GOLD & SILVER. Fuck you very much though.
My employer attempted the same thing during my first 60 days after start date. I opted out as well.
By executive decision of the FED, June 24, 2011, private pension plans shall......
- Skynet
How can you be enrolled in something that has not yet made it out of the House? The bill was introduced to the House, it is not yet law.
Because millions of voters believe the hype and BS and don't bother with due diligence as to a candidates ability, its so easy to just cross fingers and pull the lever.
Then when you realise you have a total twat for a rep you get all upset, and its someone else's fault.
You keep driving voters into their open arms with idiotic hyperbole.
how the hell do these a-holes get elected in the first place?
Easy!!, the welfare 5th Generation type do it.
Folks the sooner we all realize we have at LEAST two separate countries in the US, the better understood this crap will be.
Also, it gives you SOME idea of how little these people actually have to do.
Nothing worse than a lawmaker with nothing else to do except produce more inane laws.
Face it, if this is not a major wake up call for shutting off IRA's, and CD's, and 401k's.
I do not know what it will take.I am really surprised that they have not forced folks to cash out of IRA's, and 401k's, to make them pay taxes NOW on current savings,at current tax rates, and leave the principal in to start over again.
A double scoop if you will.
These guys rode the short bus to school.
The shrimp speakes
But the battery can't spell.
/golfclap/
You know.. if they had some balls they would write in there that everything you give IS 100% deductible AND you can elect to shift your income tax to this program instead of having all your taxes go to transfer payments to the Federal Reserve System and its owners. if you have the slightest doubt that this is where your taxes go I would say think about this bill and what it purports to do and what you all have been saying. There already are ways to give more.. Why the need for this bill then? because whatever you give doesnt go directly to Treasury. It goes to the FRBNY. From there to the IMF. Look into it.
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Reading between the lines comes out the strong point that of even asking the questions should reveal the desperation that exists.
Either that or these guys are screw balls.
is that the silence of the lambs version or the JOE DIRT version....
Just reduce the wage of any employee that signs up for that -- call it a service charge. Make it large enough so they leave. Done. No more paper work.
Legalize and tax Weed Bitches!
WTYF is a weed bitch?
My friend's ex-girlfriend.
Yeah sure, your "friend's" ex-girlfriend...........
WTF is WTYF?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzU2qH6wecw&feature=related
weed grown from stem cells
No, that must be bitch weed
'druther have it grown from bud cells. Just sayin'
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE NAMES OF THE CONGRESSMEN WHO SPONSORED THIS JOKE?
IMHO that group was only smart enough to do as they were told to get elected. So the question I have is this: Who put them up to it?
Congressman Rick Crawford (R-Ark.)
U.S. Congressman Pat Tiberi (R-OH)Congressman Stephen Fincher.
U.S. Representative Stephen Fincher (R-Frog Jump TN)
Congressman Jeff Landry (R, LA-03)
Rep. Jeff Denham, (R-Calif)
U.S. Rep. Robert Dold, (R-Kenilworth Ill)
U.S. Congressman Bill Flores (R-Texas)
Congressman Tim Griffin (R-AR-02)
U.S. Congressman Austin Scott (R-GA-08)
U.S. Rep. Bill Huizenga, (R-MI-02)
Congressman Steven Palazzo (R-MS-04)
Rep. Frank C. Guinta (R-NH)
I apologize that we Texans sent one of these assholes up there.
Palazzo 'was' my guy...not after this sham of a bill....what the F*** are they thinking....
That's just it. They don't think. Why would it not occur to them that these deductions be tax deductible? Let's follow up and see if they all signed up for the 3%.
Yes, I reach boiling point with this ridiculous post. Most Sovereign Man posts seem pointless I notice. Isnt there some other legislation that is true problem, this is nothing. His blog silly and easy to deconstruct if had time.
i bet alot of people thought that way about the income tax, since, you know, it's voluntary and all.
who in their right mind would pay an income tax? a tax on my labor? i'm going to pay you so i can work.. how does that even make sense?
This completely different. First clue you can tell it nothing is sponsors, no one important and few.
This Soverign Man person discredit ZH and show ignorance in how politics work.
People get riled up by stupid bill. This is stupid. It go nowhere and distraction. Just go to thomas.loc.gov to see have many million bills, simple and stupid get sponsored. Many, many. some even you can't believe anyone sponsor.
Thats because this Simon guy is a salesmen. He's making dough off of people's fears. While some of the things he says are certainly valid a lot of it is simply oversimplified bs...just saying
That "Texan" lives already more then 20 years in Washington. That's not a texan anymore.
"I apologize that we Texans sent one of these assholes up there."
The Bills movers are ALL Republicans ...anyone going to apologise for the sad-fuks of the Rep Party or are they too embarrased to poke their heads out of the sewer?
I'm torn between hoping they were stupid enough to believe they were making all payroll contributions voluntary and... well, nothing. I'm hoping for stupid.
Outstanding idea from the zoomen !! Now I can redistribute my wealth voluntarily and invite my liberal acquaintences to do likewise. I see win/win.
Listing congressmen like this is a flagrant and heartless betrayal to the assistance they are proving their constituency. All voting records should be private, and not under the purview of the ignorant public. Posting such should be an offense, punishable by forcing the perpetrator to dress in a maids outfit, and forcibly inserting a mouth prop into his/her oral cavity. This will allow the elected to insert various objects that will supply their need for quick tension relief from their day to day activities.
I bought it username. near perfect word choice, a few formatting/spelling changes and you could work for the government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5npVNERoyw
Take good note. Here's just how "small government" your dear Republicans really are. Before you bitch, I'm independent NOT Democrat.
Actually, all these creeps are from the Rino (Romney, McCain) wing of the Repube Pty. Hopefully the TP'rs will break away after Boner caves on the debt limit. Good riddance GOP. One down, one to go.
Note that these are all Repubs on this list. It doesn't matter, Repubs or Dems, they are all pieces of crap.
This will definitely help Obama's re-election bid.........
As for the Texan, all I can say is read his name, and figure who his constituents are.
Akin to Sheila Jackson Lee.
I'm surprised no one has bothered to point out the fact that "compassionate" people like Bill Clointon, Warren Buffet and many other actors and celebrities often state they "don't pay ENOUGH" in taxes.
Many in Massachusetts, years ago, claimed the same thing so some legislators created a bill that allowed such people who wanted to pay more to do so.......the response was as you'd imagine; not even John Kerry bothered to pay state taxes at a higher rate. Not even .1% of taxpayers paid at a the higher rate.
This legislation is identical in intent. It isn't aimed at raising revenue its aimed at exposing liars like Clinton who lament low tax rates but always seem to manage to deduct everything down to their underwear to avoid paying more in taxes than required. Its a gimmick folks, to expose hypocrites.
not even John Kerry bothered to pay state taxes at a higher rate.
Isn't he the tax dodger that paid top dock his yacht in another state, to keep from paying taxes on it?.
Think so.................hypocrites.
From HR 2411: "Mr. CRAWFORD (for himself, Mr. TIBERI, Mr. FINCHER, Mr. LANDRY, Mr. DENHAM, Mr. DOLD, Mr. FLORES, Mr. GRIFFIN of Arkansas, Mr. AUSTIN SCOTT of Georgia, Mr. HUIZENGA of Michigan, Mr. PALAZZO, and Mr. GUINTA) introduced the following bill"
Mr. CRAWFORD (R-ARK)
Mr. TIBERI (R-OH)
Mr. FINCHER (R-TN)
Mr. LANDRY (R-LA)
Mr. DENHAM (R-CA)
Mr. DOLD (R-IL)
Mr. FLORES (R-TX)
Mr. GRIFFIN (R-ARK)
Mr. AUSTIN SCOTT (R-GA)
Mr. HUIZENGA (R-MI)
Mr. PALAZZO (R-MS)
Mr. GUINTA (R-NH)
See a pattern here?
Hmmm...Lemme guess...
Each of them has a penis and no balls?
Taxation without Representation!
have you seen their penis on facebook?
but seriously why don't they ask for something they can use and is worth more. ie food, ammunition, water, fuel, black SUVs, army surplus stuff...
things they use everyday
All donations will be thankfully received and faithfully applied.
so you guys are fine with debt right? hows'bout a permanent income tax increase veiled as a "voluntary contribution"? how does that sound?
So who is this guy, Rick Crawford (R-AR), who is leading the fight against the debt crisis? Here a few of his career "highlights". Well actually, it's all of them.
"bomb disposal technician"....hes doing a great job disarming the big one thats coming...tick....tick.....tick.....tick.....tick....
aww. i found the video of the speech that was given in order to convince his colleagues to vote yes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpSmprqptSk&feature=player_detailpage
THAT is the single most important question...who proposed this?
+ 10,000
Legalize and tax Weed Bitches!
Legalize and tax Weed Whackers
Tax my weed?
NEVER!
Give me tax free weed or give me DEATH!
Tax weed? Ha, I'll grow my own, thank you.
No more lemonade stands.....you have to apply for a $300 permit inorder to sell "beverages" from an outdoor stand. Sorry kids!!
Awesome! I'm a propane salesman. I just got off a conference call with Tim Gietner and Kathleen Sebelius. They want to know how quickly I can install 100,000,000 back yard hot tubs. And they said I don't have to install thermastats or temperature guages! I am gonna be rich.......lonely but rich!
OMG. Those are wholesale frog boiling devices!
Picked this up this link from a comment a couple days ago...Though some of you might get a kick out of it.
http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/2011/07/american-dream.html
Be easy enough to start a phys holding place here in India.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/july-15th-aug-15th-month-long-window-coming-up-initial-thoughts/
hey ORI, have you heard anything about the Indian Government, having discussions concerning depleted uranium fallout from the middle east wars, poisoning parts of India?
HPD, I have not, not recently. But this is such an old issue. Sellafield in the UK has been sending particles our way (actually the world's way) since it's inception almost, it seems.
They also say that diabetes rates in Europe shot up after Gulf War I due to DU winds via Iraq '91.
Such is how it blows.
ORI
Extensive? The seearch did not even start until the next morning, and JFK, Jr was an important man. So important, he was about to run for...President.
*head shake*
Seriously LH, the excuses have always been weak.
The old privately flown small plane trick. Long list. To me the craziest train of events was the Death of Mel Carnahan and him winning from the grave, literally against that future Attorney General weird man.
ORI
Interesting post Ori , thanks for elaborating.
Thanks e_m. You're welcome.
ORI
ORI,
Send it to you?.LOL
How so, explain how it would be easy.
Dos Cash out in the US, I'll buy it here in India. Full security storage under my direct control.
It's an agreement between "friends". In the coming shit-storm, we can/will find ways to keep exchanging.
In fact, I'd thought of launchign a PM holding fund of sorts. Say yuo want to deposit 30 Kilos. You tell me how much yuo want to speculate(!!!) with with how much you want stored.
Obviously the two key things are trust and repatriation when required.
The first? Individual call. The second is easily arranged.
In fact, with a net 200-300 K USD start, it would/could be sizeable.
:-)
How about that, the ZHer India Phys Phund!
ORI
ORI
@the well endowed one--i keep meaning to ask, where does one download your avatar as wallpaper?
Absolutely! Call The Bernank the greatest American since Harry Truman and start buyin'! It ain't like he's asking u to hold the Yalu at all costs so..,
I believe a history lesson is in order:
It's 1911, do you know where your activists are?
President Wilson preemptively arrested a bunch of activists, best known among them was Eugene V. Debs, the fiery socialist orator, presidential candidate and advocate for the working people.
Wilson would later jail Mr. Debs under the Espionage Act.
It's 2011, do you know where your activists are?
President Obama has preemptively arrested a bunch of activists, and has prosecuted at least five individuals under the Espionage Act.
President Obama has also now gone after more whistleblowers than all previous presidents combined.
His FBI director, Robert Mueller, has dispatched agents with SWAT teams to break down doors and confiscate the property of real American citizen-heroes.
Does anyone really believe it to be a coincidence that the FBI Director Mueller's great uncle was Richard Bissell, the head of the CIA's Directorate of Plans who was fired by President John F. Kennedy, who was later murdered in Dallas?
Other countries also preemptively arrest activists: Bahrain, Syria, China, Russia.
[The Obama administration, working silently with the republicons, have gotten legislation passed in the House severely demolishing small business in the future. This legislation awards precedence in small business loans to those applicants who have already been invested in by private equity firms, hedge fund and venture capital funds, thus effectively destroying opportunity for small independent business ventures.
The Obama administration, working silently with the republicons, has subtly attacked Social Security by altering its revenue stream (FICA). At best, Obama is the obedient puppet of Wall Street. At worst, he's simply another neocon --- just like the Clintons --- in democrat's clothing.]
you can send it to me
Can I put in a negative number and get a pay raise?
It'll be like my own little discount window -- I'll even promise to pay 0.01bps on the loan -- good enough for GS, good enough for me.
You, my friend, are an extraordinarily funny rodent.
You will be indicted for illegal use of a government form and since you sign the bottom and swear to the truth of the data you will imprisoned as a tax protestor and a sovereign citizen and a militia person and a birther and a 911 truther and they will throw away the key to make an example of you for trying to use your brains without a license.
Lunacy. All of it.
This is a bit OT, but if you want some more lunacy from here in good 'ol Calimexifornica, I just went today in search of plain old road flares. You know...the red sticks you keep in your car for roadside emergencies?
Walmart stopped carrying them a couple of years ago...and nobody there could tell me why? A CA law? An L.A. County ordinance? Walmart policy? Nobody knows. They're just sheeple-employees.
So I searched around and could only find a single store chain in my area that still had them - Kragen Auto Parts (part of a national chain). A bit pricey, but at least I could still get them for my wars against the gophers in my yard.
Today I saw that they were out of them. Again...why? A new law? Company policy? None of the employees or even the manager knew, other than Kragen doesn't carry them anymore.
So you can't shoot off fireworks anymore. You can't buy any type of long guns without registration anymore. If you're under 40, it's almost impossible to buy wine or ammo anymore without being carded and having your DL swiped into their systems for proof.
And now you can't even buy road flares???
I hate Kalifornia. Does anyone have a good-paying, stable job out in Idaho so I can move?
Maybe. Can you run a meth lab?
If you're an illegal technical minority you can, for to even attempt to close you down can be met with vicious counter attacks of violating the civil liberties of an oppressed minority. Might as well throw in charges of racism, intolerance to sexual orientation, religion, size, weight, hair style, clothing preference, who the fuck knows anymore. Oh, and if you're a senior employee of Goldman Sachs, nobody'll even question your actions, it's White Collar Crime which is now "legal".
This is why you have to learn what they have done and how they did it and what they plan to do. By THEY I mean the lawyers and the bankers both jointly and severally and the international corporations and individuals who own the system. See, we're coming into a time when the planners and owners feel the waters are still enough (meaning that the people are sufficiently hypnotized and sufficiently dumbed down, severed from their own history and the truth of how the system works) that the people can be pushed into yet another fundamental shift in governance. America as a body Republic is gone. Very very few still understand how this governmnet was supposed to run. The 'progressives' and 'change agents' have done their jobs well. Go back and study the congressional records of 1929-1934. And further back look into the purpose and goals of the Carnegie Endowment and the Rockefeller Foundation. Look at what they were doing back in 1910-1920. If you do this you will begin to see that the plans laid down back then have come to full fruition and so now they are making the big push into full democratic socialist conversion of America. The goal of 'merging the USA with the Soviet Union' which was openly stated up through the 50's is being implemented. You say the USSR is gone, I say it is simply changed addresses. The government wants us all to believe that their statutes apply to all of us and that they can regulate people and that they are the supreme authority and finally that our natural right come from a document called the Consitution. Well, thats what the common belief is from the many people I have conversations with. This is totally upside down from the original intent. This is why they are pulling all our natural freedoms away. Because we think they can and because they are becoming more and more brazen and willing to use force. A conflict is brewing beneath the surface and it's goddamn ugly.
Yes, the USSR address was 667, ours is right next door.
First liar doesn't have a chance. In California if you are driving a car and an errant landscaping sprinkler douses your windshield and you turn on the wipers and forget to turn on the head lights you can get cited for a moving violation costing $361
I think that they use the phosphorus in the road flares for making meth, IIRC.
Just another victim in the War on Drugs.
pods
Only if one is "streetwalking" meth, and you are probably right. Used to use matchheads for that. Streetwalking meth is VERY dangerous.....heating coleman fuel to dry it out and such. Makes for spectacular fireworks.
Now, the better way to make meth involves hundreds of ephedrine tablets, preferably whats called "amphetamine combo" which is prescribed for narcolepsy, anhydrous ammonia which is near impossible to get (have to hang out at truck stops and steal it from a tanker).....
I know way too much about this don't I.
Never done it, I pinky swear.
I was told that by an old boss of mine who was a DEA chemist. Never looked at the synthesis myself, as I know I would get bored one day. :)
pods
Good paying jobs are really tough to find in Idaho, that is 80% of the reason I left. And let me tell you about effing Californians. They are literally overrunning the state of Idaho, pushing up property values by buying homes to rent or actually moving in themselves. The worst part is the bulk of Californians( not you I hope) move to Idaho and try and turn it into a version of California, they get angry about hunting and snow etc, it is intolerable, they are chaning Idaho for the worse. But it is a great state, not a week goes by that I don't miss it.
Yeah, I grew up here, but a lot of my friends and family over the years put 2+2 together and got out of CA permanently, moving to Oregon, Texas, Oklahoma, Washington, etc.
They all said they never regretted the move, but it was REALLY tough at first to be accepted by the locals, since nobody has a positive view of Calimexifornicans. Not all of us are stupid or plain nuts. Just the ones in Sacramento, and the ones in charge of L.A., and the ones in charge of my taxes, and the ones who banned plastic shopping bags, and the ones in front of me on the road, and...
(sigh)
Same problem in the south with northeasterners. The idiots crapped where they lived for years then left because they didnt like it, only to then try to turn their new area into a copy of the craphole they left.
If there is over a breakdown in social order those folks are in serious trouble lol.
Well, there's the Mormon nepotism problem too.
Idaho is 85%+ is Federally owned, and Calfornicators did the same thing to Colorado.Absolutely ruined the state.
Everywhere they try and remake a new Communist stronghold.
They are just like the NEW breed of radical hispanics,taking over and remaking states in Mexicos image,except here they have more rights and protection than they ever did in Mexico.The Muslims are getting a pass on a lot of new Shariah law rulings, and totally separate and form their own NEW Islamic fiefdoms in downtown USA.
With Fed gub, protections,both groups.
Truck stops sell them. All truckers have to have them.
Hmm. Hafta try that. There's a major truck supply stop a few miles from me up the interstate. I should have thought of that myself...but a nod from a fellow ZeroHedgie is what it's all about. Thx.
Not "Have to."
It's actually the DOT triangles you refer to.
Flares are prohibited for Hazmat Loaded Vehicles.
But yes, truck stops are one of the last few remaining holdouts to sell stuff that is very common.
just issues any kind of 'paper' to portugal (ie. toilet, cardboard, etc)...they can pass it along to the ECB. i hear they are taking any and everything these days. NQA (no questions asked).
Fuck. Them.
they have names-
Mr. CRAWFORD (for himself, Mr. TIBERI, Mr. FINCHER, Mr. LANDRY, Mr. DENHAM, Mr. DOLD, Mr. FLORES, Mr. GRIFFIN of Arkansas, Mr. AUSTIN SCOTT of Georgia, Mr. HUIZENGA of Michigan, Mr. PALAZZO, and Mr. GUINTA) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means
I saw a white horse and on it rode Government. And in its wake came misery, disease, violence and death.
misery - GS
Disease - Pfizer
Violence - GE/GM/MIC
Death - Monsanto
Pfizer is your safest play of this group. If you are more of the gambling type, MIC looks like it is going to run up some more.
Hey uhmm what? So let me get this straight.. According to my peers who are as teachable as a petrified tree our tax go to the Treasury to pay for good things like roads and skools and military and pretty little ribbons and condoms especially (gotta keep that population from exploding now). Ohhhh yeah.. i forgot, the Federal Reserve System endorses and deposits all that tax money for us. The international bankers love people so much they stepped in to handle all that cash nice and safe. Oh yeah Treasury will get some charity from all the little people and will promptly deposit it at JP Mordor so they can prop up the ponzi. This is true patriotism! I love my country and pledge allegiance to the Bank of America and I will be the first to volunteer on my W4 to help SAVE YOU ALL!
You know whats absurd is if you go back in history and check.. the income tax also started nice and voluntary. Help up beat Zee Germans! The books say it still is voluntary only today things have changed. The world is different and the constitution doesn't REALLY matter so much does it? So says TIME magazine. The framers didnt REALLY mean what they wrote. The world is a different place today and voluntary today mean volunteer or we will SWAT team you, jail you, and likely shoot you and your family for not volunteering. Thats freedom baby! I love this new bill.. I hope they pass it. We need CHANGE !!!
People will get as much tyrrany as they can stand.. then its fucking on like donkey kong! It seems to me that there is a destinct agenda to push until the people revolt violently. Thats what it looks like to me.
a bit wordy but it sure beats hand signs
Fucking cock.....really. If you wish to throw a punch try being fucking on target. All I read from you are punk ass remarks that are missing any relevance to the post or the remark you comment your nonsense toward. Now, no one minds a babbling idiot around these part to stir the pot, as you thick heads can be fun. For the love of (enter diety here) fucking be on point.
"I pledge allegance to the Bank of America... and to the republic on which it steps, one nation under water. With liberalism and and foodstamps for all!"
HAHAHAHAHAH CLASSIC!
Good stuff.
'I pledge allegance to the Bank of America... and to the Republicans for which it stands, one nation, under water, with 'deficits don't matter' and 'voodoo economics' for all.