Guest Post: Boiling Frog Alert: Congress Wants Automatic Wage Deductions To Pay Down The Debt

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Fri, 07/08/2011 - 16:53 | 1438279 mayhem_korner
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Fri, 07/08/2011 - 17:27 | 1438404 gorillaonyourback
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agree, silly fuck still doesn't get that there is no difference btween dems and repubs

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 19:19 | 1438643 toady
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Me, or the other guy?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 21:54 | 1438938 Pez
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By liberalism you mean free market capitalism of course.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 17:20 | 1438384 Tunga
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"... our tax go to the Treasury..." 

ERRRT!!! No iinthesky that is not how it works. IRS is a private collection agency of the IMF. Your payments go to an IMF account that is used to pay against the interest generated by the national debt. 

Any thing you pay to the US Treasury is totally outside the purview of the tax code enforcers.Timmah would be free to spend your foolish fundage on Cuban cigars if he wants.

Also the Internal Revenue is only generated by federal employees. Hence the definition of the term "income" which means profit derived through the exercise of the privilege of working for the federal US Government. All others "volunteer" when they swear under penalty of purjury that they are US citizens on a W-4 form. 

Reclaim your status as a freeborn American by reclaiming your national status. 

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 21:26 | 1438883 arizona11912
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I've read a little about claiming your strawman. How does the process actually work?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 01:05 | 1439187 Tunga
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claiming your strawman. - arizona11912

The idea that you can claim on a tax form that you are not a taxpayer is bunk. It doesn't work. Not a US citizen or a federal employee? Stop using their forms. A withholding exemption certificate per US code 26 3402 that satisfies the requirements of section (n) is used in place of a W-4. See findlaw or for the code.

 it should look like this;§ 3402. Income tax collected at source

n) Employees incurring no income tax liability  
Notwithstanding any other provision of this section, an employer shall not be required to deduct and withhold any tax under this chapter upon a payment of wages to an employee if there is in effect with respect to such payment a withholding exemption certificate (in such form and containing such other information as the Secretary may prescribe) furnished to the employer by the employee certifying that the employee— (1) incurred no liability for income tax imposed under subtitle A for his preceding taxable year, and (2) anticipates that he will incur no liability for income tax imposed under subtitle A for his current taxable year.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 03:06 | 1439253 arizona11912
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Thank you Tunga! I'll do some research.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:30 | 1439776 DosZap
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That may work for a while.If your born here, your a subject of the American system, and obligated to pay taxes.

Many have tried this, and some have eluded the payoff,but most get nailed.

VOLUNTARY in the IRS guidelines, does not mean you can choose to pay or not to pay.

It means the Filing of same is voluntary,you get to do the paperwork,but is certainly doesn't mean you get to decide if you want to pay or not.

Lots of folks in prison for Voluntary non compliance.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 08:30 | 1443123 fallout11
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True that, DosZap. Ask Wesley Snipes how this approach worked out for him.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:46 | 1438011 SheepDog-One
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Oh dont worry! We're about to be saved by QE3! AHHHH HA HA HA HAAAAA HA HA HAAAAAAA!!!!

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 21:29 | 1438889 Founders Keeper
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Hi SheepDog-One.

You've been around here for awhile. How do you see things going down?


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 16:37 | 1438214 knukles
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The cuter, nicer the name of the legislation, the more ominous... or something along those lines as written above... 

             ........try Patriot Act.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 17:05 | 1438336 robertsgt40
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Fri, 07/08/2011 - 18:34 | 1438546 Dan The Man
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helloooo!!!  black market !!!

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 22:27 | 1439002 Mad Marv
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The only answer at this point is to withdraw from the system.  Get your income down so that you don't pay taxes, don't keep money in banks or 401ks (But I'll use their lockboxes), and buy nothing except Food and utilities. 

I wonder if I can convince my employer to pay me as a contract worker?  I'd just as soon not be W2 employed. 

Fuck these plutocrats.  I'm tired of supporting people sitting on their brains while I'm out busting my ass.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:16 | 1439737 DosZap
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 (But I'll use their lockboxes)

Not a smart move.................

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 05:57 | 1439307 thunderchief
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The USA will never be productive and competative if these nutjobs push this slave wagon through. What kind of professional would want to work in the USA and pay taxes up the spinkdo and and not get dink in return?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 05:55 | 1439309 thunderchief
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It will create an Army of Professional Ex-Pats.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:21 | 1439752 DosZap
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If there were any REAL intelligent smaller/med sized nations out there, they would put out a blanket invitation, to apply for citizenship(for free) to those w/ample means,and passing back ground checks.

This  would be great building blocks added to their national growth, add millions to their systems, and bring their populations up to speed with REAL workers, and quality people.

Hell, we are already exporting most everything of value now, why not another mini Exodus.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 08:16 | 1439353 detroitbluessax
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People can already do this.

Citizens who wish to make a general donation to the U.S. government may send contributions to a specific account called "Gifts to the United States." This account was established in 1843 to accept gifts, such as bequests, from individuals wishing to express their patriotism to the United States. Money deposited into this account is for general use by the federal government and can be available for budget needs. These contributions are considered an unconditional gift to the government. Financial gifts can be made by check or money order payable to the United States Treasury and mailed to the address below.

Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:04 | 1437748 sabra1
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it should be mandatory! no?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:14 | 1437811 Dr. Richard Head
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It's all in the words.  I think the definition of "voluntary", for the purposes ofthis bill, is stuck down on page 843,612,;Section A, subsection 3, paragraph (c), article 413,998; "whereas voluntary, as it pertains to all subsections of this bill, is determined to be considered a representation of mandatory required withholding. Failure to do so will result in enhanced water interrogation or contingent military exercise conscription.  Mommy government loves you"

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:15 | 1437819 coppertop
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A little high toned for most tastes but keds was a great shoe nonetheless.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:18 | 1437844 youngman
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It should be mandatory for DEMOCRATS

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:50 | 1438032 RockyRacoon
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Did you count the names of Republicans on that bill's sponsors?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 18:30 | 1438534 Greenlight
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Looks like 100% Republicans. 

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:51 | 1438041 LetThemEatRand
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It should be mandatory for anyone who intends to vote again for any Democrat or Republican.  Last time I checked, the water was already boiling.  Big O is just following a long line of c[r]ooks who apparently like their frog legs well done.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:23 | 1439756 DosZap
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Voluntary is the first step to mandatory.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:05 | 1437755 AlaricBalth
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The US government is so broke it is now seeking donations.  What's next, a telethon?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:06 | 1437760 WestVillageIdiot
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They could have Pelosi and Clinton do a strip act.  I'm sure that people would pay a lot of money to see them, "put it back on". 

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:09 | 1437782 AlaricBalth
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Great idea! What other acts would the ZH community like to see?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:15 | 1437818 Dr. Richard Head
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Pelosi's coin slot would be appropriate for the new pennies in circulation. 

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:28 | 1437904 I Am The Unknow...
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Sooooo....THAT's why people say pennies taste like that!

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 16:55 | 1438295 andybev01
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Eww...that is gross on so many levels.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 20:30 | 1438774 Sancho Ponzi
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We could balance the budget if Palin stripped. That's my kind of hopey changey feeley.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:55 | 1438056 Hacked Economy
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+1  +1  +1


I almost spit up my soda on my keyboard!  One of the best come-back lines I've read on ZH in a long time!

(...but now I have that nasty image in my head of Pelosi's wrinkly coin much for my lunch...)

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 16:46 | 1438251 Dr. Richard Head
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Yeah, I am still giggling over that one.  Apparently we have a Pelosi fan lurking as I was junked. 

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 19:46 | 1438700 Hook Line and S...
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Pelosi is kind of hot in a GILF way. Come on, anyone else out there willing to take it to task?

Imagine... come on... imagine it... ohhhh yesss.... uhmmmmm!!!

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 21:20 | 1438874 BoeingSpaceliner797
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I junked you.  Calling your disgusting fantasy above (sarcastic or not) "junk" is giving junk a bad name.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:16 | 1437831 WestVillageIdiot
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I would put up 30 silver pieces (eagles) for each member of the scum class that commits hari-kari on live TV. 

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:17 | 1437839 FEDbuster
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PPV event hosted by Anthony Weiner and Charlie Rangle?  With special guest host, Jimmy Carter?  WTF???

Buffett was on CNBS the other morning and said that the feds collect an extra $700K to 3 mil from voluntary contributions to lower the debt.  Some ass wipes in congress must have seen it and said "if we only made it easier, more idiots would give us their money".  I like to think my tax payment went to build the "shrimp treadmill".  I can only fantasize where a voluntary contribution would go (maybe to help fill AF1's gas tank for a family trip to Martha's Vineyard or better yet pay for the dog's plane).

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:20 | 1437862 WestVillageIdiot
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Why won't Warren just die already?  He has already outlived his reputation.  Now he is just a panty sniffing old fool with more money than decency or sense and a traitor to his nation.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:31 | 1437921 FEDbuster
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Becky Quick gives him a viagra induced blow job for each "American Sunrise" interview.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:57 | 1438059 Confused
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double post.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:56 | 1438063 Confused
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That is one way to reduce the population without lifting a finger.



This is a joke right? They couldn't be seriously thinking that this is a good idea.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:07 | 1437770 the not so migh...
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o yuck, nancy pelosi jumping up and down in bikini trying to get all phone lines busy.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:10 | 1437795 sabra1
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would you rather janet napolitano?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:16 | 1437827 coppertop
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I'll take Janet Reno any day!

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:16 | 1437828 TheTmfreak
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Just stop! All of you stop! I can't stand another image of such things in my mind.

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