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A dead Consumer
That's why Bernanke cannot succeed.
Consumer, as a whole, hit the ceiling of debt limit and broke. A dead consumer implies a dead business ( consumers are the final payer of all business activities) and a dead government ( consumers are the ultimate payer of all taxes). Unless Bernanke can figure out a way to revive the consumer, all his printing efforts can only window dressing the balance sheet side of financial institutuions and capital market, but not repairing the income side of consumers which ultimately dictate that the income side of financial institutions and businesses must suffer and face inevitable collapse via bankruptcy.
Bernanke will become the FED chairman presiding the greatest second great depression and prove that his PH D thesis is nothing more than nothing, a failed Friedmanism ( or that Fried Man).
I definitely hit the debt limit. I purposely maxed out my credit cards into the Summer and then stopped paying my bills when I got cut off. I call it the Private Citizen Bailout Facility, or the Obama Bailout for short. You should try it, too! Be sure to change your telephone number on all your accounts so when the banks start calling they'll have some bogus number to dial. I have my auto-attendant running interference for me.
I am Chumbawamba.
I think everyone who disagrees with the idiocy that's currently happening in the banking industry - the bailouts, outright lying about losses via mark-to-fantasy accounting, record bonuses..., should stop paying for mortgages, max out credit cards, and withdraw all deposits. instead of whining about how the life is unfair to poor me.it is your money in their bonuses. from your deeply underwater mortgages, and from your usurious rate credit cards.while the bankers enjoy their record bonuses, you'll be saddled in debt for decades. brace yourselves.
Exactly. I also closed my bank accounts. Well, truth be told, my bank closed them (after 15 years of being with those fuckers!) But I guess they didn't like the negative balance for over a month. Stupid bastards.
GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS, AMERICA.
"I call it the Private Citizen Bailout Facility"
LMAO - snort!!!
I'm cracking up over here... sniff...
What can they do to you? Didn't they change the law so they can garnish wages if you don't pay all your maxed out cards?
Goldman’s O’Neill Sees ‘Silly September’ as Yen Appreciates
"The bankers will tell you that our long-term structural problems reside in the banks (which is why they needed our help in the first place, remember?), but in reality this is a consumer driven problem."
Actually, in reality the real problem is the government. The relationship between the consumer and the banker were brought together by the government. This is understandble. There were people who wanted votes, they offered people things they couldn't afford, and the politicians influenced GSE's to provide what (the politicians) promised. That behavior cascaded through every facet of our economy and as such we were ushered into the age of irresponsibility.
This problem in it's origin began with politicians promising things to people they couldn't afford...The very first dominos that fell didn't begin with investment banks, it began with GSE's (FNM/FRE). As unpopular as this might sound WS banks were a victim, just like the consumer.
Business is based on trust. When the trust is gone, it's time to move on...
WS banks were a victim? Just like the consumer (was a victim?)
I thought I'd heard everything, but, there YOU are.
The only victims here are those who saved their money, consumed frugally, and paid their bills on time.
We have gone thru looking glass, Alice.
... and people believing them.
"This problem in it's origin began with politicians promising things to people they couldn't afford..."
"There were people who wanted votes, they offered people things they couldn't afford, and the politicians influenced GSE's to provide what (the politicians) promised."
Actually the problem lies with people who believed the promises that politicians made but should have rejected as untenable.
OK, self-serving pols are a huge part of the problem.
However, they have been bought by the financial industry (remember the repeal of G/S?) therefore much of what they do that is wrong is at the behest of their masters.
The fact that a few large financial institutions were allowed to implode (Lehman) or be absorbed (Merrill) is meaningless as it works in favor of certain other financial giants, who had it in for Lehman for sure.
The fact that regional banks are going belly up is likewise meaningless for the same reason.
That shareholders are being punished is meaningless because the playerz pulling the strings are making off with the loot, and will create new enterprises with their winnings or just sit back and watch Rome burn.
Let's not confuse the financials industry with key playerz; the playerz have no more loyalty to their industry than they do to the taxpayers, and see businesses as hosts to be bled dry. This has been going on for 30 years, and is a large part of the reason that America has lost such a huge portion of its manufacturing base to offshoring and outsourcing. Shareholders will be burned, but most of the participants in the industry itself are now playing the end game and just want to maximise their individual wealth until the wheels come off.
At all turns in this drama the taxpayers will pay. Bailing out failed banks looted into bankruptcy, paying bonuses, rescuing depositors and shareholders. Bled until there is nothing left. And after that, the taxpayers get the ashes.
Maybe it had to be this way. Maybe it always would end like this. But it's a sad commentary, and probably the idea of free-market capitalism at the global scale will die as a result. I don't know what comes after, but you might have to look back 600 years to recognize it.
there is a great article by barry eichengreen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Eichengreen
in the sept oct issue of foreign affairs about the dollar's stance as international reserve currency and the likely future of the SDR, the renminbi and the yen.
i'm no expert and i defer to barry's expertise in his claim that the tremendous inertia behind the system impedes any sudden changes to the status quo, but I think he doesn't give enough treatment to changes in political/military developements that could result in various nations rapidly changing their policies vis vis reserve currrencies and the imf.
furthermore, he doesn't mention russia and opec's push to sell oil in non-dollar currencies. And i believe that is relevant to the discussion.
i really feel that someone from zerohedge should post the article, or call barry and at least put up some discussion or a posting on it.
I don't see any miraculous new productivity gains (like debt securitization of the '80s, or the PC of the '90s, or real estate flipping of the '00s, etc.) coming along anytime soon to drag us out of this great recession... I think many Americans are taking this opportunity to permanently stop adding more crap made in China to their overflowing houses. Consuming is so yesterday! Let's instead take this opportunity to improve our world by picking-up some trash or coaching little league or putting burning bags of dog shit on bank execs doorsteps or something more life-enriching like that.
I like all those suggestions ;-))
Chapter 2 is called "The Name of the Game is Bailout" Creature from Jekyl Island -1998 (Surmized from previous books see ZH for links on Mullins)
I am getting kinda sick of people thinking that Ben is stupid. ...STOP!
They have managed to convince many of us that debt is good as if it is noble to have debt and credit much like a crack addict who needs a fix.
I am not trying to be insulting just rather pissed at what we as country have allowed ourselves to become, stupid -mindless collective drones who accept the status quo and believe that these people are stupid. Seriously...
BEN AND ALL THE BANKERS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE F&*K THEY ARE DOING, WE JUST REFUSE TO EXCEPT THE REALITY THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS EXISTS IN THIS "FREE COUNTRY".
At some point there will be a very rude awakening. Very rude awakening!
We (as a country) will either shrivel in the corner like the meager politically correct sheep we have become or they will be thrown out on their ass like Andrew Jackson did....judging by our fat uneducated population I think we are in BIG BIG trouble....
When the music stops, some people are going to find out that there are more angry people with weapons than the giant piles of cash can stop.
Some of those pulling the levers have lost sight of the simple fact that when push comes to shove, they're vastly outnumbered. If the pitchforks come out, no government, police force, or military can save them.
This is a simple military fact.
That's why they have Blackwater. Er, I'm sorry, Xe.
That's very true. I don't think the powers that be realize that if the general population reaches a breaking point they will full on kill them. I think our corporate overlords can only comprehend the consequences in terms of finance or lawsuits. They need to realize that their lives could be at risk.
Right now my fear isn't the people at large but one or two completely broken disillusioned folks gradually morphing into the next McVeigh with Wall St. in the cross hairs.
What are these angry mobs even waiting for if it's such a forgone conclusion? Lack of balls?
There will be no revolution. The spirit of forging one's own destiny was lost 3 generations ago.
And we are 3 generations away from getting that spirit back. but 60 years of deprivations will certainly do the job.
I can tell you that I was in DC on Saturday for the march. I'd say there were enough pissed off (Taxpayers) people to pack about 8-9 Rose Bowls.
That many people could be rounded up and sent to Wyoming within 3 hours.
When we get to 40 million people at the barricades, I'll be impressed.
Very well written paper...
"As Anna Schwartz said, we are fighting "the last war" and she is deeply concerned that we have lost it."
I am with Anna on this one... that is what I feel everyday...
What is "the last war"?
It is referenced in the article referring to the 'boom-bust' economic cycles that we keep creating... we will eventually loose the 'war' and it will be one big 'bust'.
Speaking of busts... the one shining thing about these high unemployment levels is that the quality of strippers in the clubs has never been better!
I can't agree with ya. This "thing" is getting it's butt kicked. Harder and harder day after day.
Anna is referring to the futility of the boom-bust cycles we keep creating... the jig will be up and it will just be a big 'bust'.
Seems like TPTB assume the occilations are self-damping. They don't have to been. The system may have no stable equilibrium toward which it swings. If not, it may eventually swing far enough to one extreme to break.
A broken system does not come back. It is replaced. Replacement is a very ugly and long-term prospect from which nothing now present will emerge intact.
You can lead a customer to the store, but, you cannot make him open his wallet.
Slightly off topic but I thought I'd mention something that was brought to my attention
Sept. 11, 2001 Dow closed @ 9605
Sept. 11, 2009 Dow closed @ 9605
What are the odds of this? Is this mere coincidence?
No...Goldman Sachs planned it
there is absolutely no chance of that happening
as a random act of kindness but certainly as a
planned act of cruelty....
that was a signal from the oligarchy to other
oligarchists that they are in control and
that some traumatic event is imminent....
shit is going to fly by the barrel....my guess
is that 20 days from now or on 9/20 we will see a dramatic
catastrophe either in the states or overseas....
this is not a joke....the rockefellers, bundys,
harrimans, bushes, and windsors have something
evil in store for us....
after looking at the calendar i say that we are 20 business
days from a mess....
We didn't trade on Sept 11.
Here's some real time proof of lack of consumer green shoots. As an ex Customs broker, this time of year should be the busiest for imports. Not this time; watch Dry Ships stock zoom tomorrow. Extremely bullish...
I happened to drive the length of the Long Beach (California) port 10 days. Hardly saw a ship. Having never been there before I thought 'Maybe it's because it's Sunday....'
And acres upon acres of U-P locos and train cars are being parked on the storage rails in San Bernardino, CA.
Even the hobos are complaining about transportation problems.
Nuthin' like a good old fashioned post-recession inventory ramp up.
What happens with simultanneous asset deflation and currency implosion...our houses and all the crap we buy is getting cheaper, but the dollar is cratering at the same time...
What would things look like with a strong dollar....it would be horrific...
"We can be certain that Christmas 2009 will be disappointing for everyone's children in the United States except for those whose parents are employees of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan - record bonuses are coming."
A hopeless optimist might interpret this as a good trend. Maybe will see the decoupling of happiness from money. (indeed this could lead to a decoupling of our society from this dirty money that we know as the federal reserve note... *fingers crossed*)
They might get a Lexus for Christmas but they'll have to wonder why everyone hates their daddy. Children of The Salt of the Earth will hopefully find that family and friends are the true measures of wealth.
Goldman Sachs/JPM didn't steal from the taxpayer.
Government officials GAVE them the money.
If traders at GS/JPM are driving nice cars on your dime don't blame them...
Look at the politicians who handed it to them on a silver platter.
If someone gave me a million dollars...I'd take it.
The reason the government gave them the money is because GS/JPM gave politicians substantial campaign contributions. If GS/JPM is buying influence so that politicians act on their behalf at the expense of the general interest, then I will go ahead and blame them as well.
PS: I love this site.
it takes two to tango.
Good grief !!
Who was it who gave all that stolen money to
Goldman Sux & JP Mendacious PDM???
Would it have been Hanky Panky.
His former employer being???
Who does BBernanke work for??
Either you are very dry with your sense of humour or a GS troll.
Not to worry about the holidays, Obama will be rolling out "Cash for Christmas".
Falling tax reciepts will be the next crisis; beyond what we are already seeing on state levels, especially in small towns and rural counties. The scourge of rural America, meth, is comsuming all available resourses in terms of law enforcement and health care and family services and the very soul of many of these communties. We have to figure some way to deal with this or we risk the very backbone of our country. I think we start by becoming active on a local level economocally and politically. Get to know your neighbors, start co-ops, neighborhood watches, whatever. It's really the only way to build any type of political power. This may be our only hope for a peaceful resolution. People are pissed, those who are paying attention anyway.
As a muni analyst, I can assure the dear readers that the above post is true. Municipalities mostly rely on property taxes to fund operations. Furthermore, in almost all states the local govt. receives its share of property taxes based on the prior years' valuations. I.e. The City of Cleveland, OH, is right now receiving tax receipts based on Jan. 1, 2008 valuations. Assuming that the county assessors do their job correctly, and reflect the devaluation of real estate from 1/1/08 to 1/1/09, we could see revenue drops of 10-30% from today's already reduced levels.
I thought the mil rates were derived from the municipal budget divided by total assessed value base. Property value drop would not affect net municipal receipts. The revenue drop would be primarily due to those who could not pay the taxes... they'll get that back when they foreclose... maybe.
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