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Guest Post: Chongqing - The Largest Construction Site In The World

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Submitted by Tim Staermose of Sovereign Man

Chongqing: The Largest Construction Site In The World

By some accounts, Chongqing is the largest metro area in the world
with a population of some 32 million. They ought to call it the largest
construction site in the world.

This is a place that, if you believe the official numbers, posted 17%
GDP growth in 2010. It doesn’t take too long to figure out how that
happened. Driving around town, I found that Chongqing is in such a
building frenzy, they’re actually tearing down perfectly good (and
reasonably new) buildings and infrastructure, and rebuilding them.

To give you an example, next to my 45-story downtown hotel was a
building site where the constant drone of jackhammers signaled to me
that there was some breaking of concrete going on. The new tower under
construction had reached the 11th floor, but then they decided to tear
it down and start all over again with something even bigger

[There are a half-dozen other such towers in Chongqing. Most of them
are officially "on hold," signaling to me that China is getting ever
closer to facing its bubble reality-- that demand simply cannot support
such investment.]

Then there are the pavement workers… half of them digging up the road,

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half of them putting it back together.
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It is the literal equivalent of digging ditches only to fill them back up, all in order to create employment.

The government certainly hopes that actual businesses will come to
Chongqing to mop up all the excess productive capacity that they’re
building (and then tearing down and rebuilding).

Chongqing is, in fact, at the epicenter of the “Go West” drive in
China, whereby manufacturers along China’s coast are being encouraged to
move their production facilities inland to take advantage of the
untapped labor pool and cheaper all-around costs of doing business.

Curiously, Ford Motor Company is one of the region’s cornerstone
investors. The company’s biggest concentration of production plants
outside of Detroit is in Chongqing. Ford aims to use the city as its
beachhead in China where its market share currently languishes at a
paltry 2.6%.

Perhaps in the years and decades to come, dozens, even hundreds of
businesses will relocate to Chongqing. Maybe the Chinese have it all
figured out and are thinking 25 years in advance. But today, it’s hard
to see how ripping down buildings and roadways (and replacing them with
ghost towers and the exact same roadways) could prove to be a worthwhile

A half-built building is a liability. A completed building sitting
empty is an even bigger liability. These aren’t signs of clever
planning, but of wasteful misallocations that are starting to crack the
facade of the Chinese economy.

So much superfluous construction did create temporary economic
growth… but now you can see the visible signs of unemployment rising.
The sheer volume of downtrodden and destitute Chinese on the streets,
coupled with rising consumer prices and declining output, all suggest
that deep instability is looming.

The Chinese have an old proverb: “Keep your broken arm inside your
sleeve.” They have been telling lies to the world and masquerading as
an economic miracle for years, but the signs of stress are showing.

Yes, China does have the right kind of potential with over a billion
people, substantial productive capacity, and a high savings rate. But
these dizzying growth rates have been a total illusion. With so much of
the world’s economic hopes pinned on the continued fantasy of 10%
growth, it’s going to be a hard landing for everyone once China’s
reality sets in.


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Wed, 07/13/2011 - 00:25 | 1450506 eigenvalue
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They are creating ghost cities and town for future Hollywood zombie movies. 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 01:13 | 1450600 Fish Gone Bad
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China is such a society of corner cutters.  Anyone remember the melamine problem?  Killed a bunch of kids, poisoned pets, etc.  There was some guy in China who made a stink about the poisonings, so he is in jail.

Does anyone think all the lead in Chinese products went away?

At one time, China really was all that, but those days are long gone.  If China is supposed to be the world's role model, then we are in for a great deal more bad behavior.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:21 | 1450677 AnAnonymous
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China is such a society of corner cutters.  Anyone remember the melamine problem?  Killed a bunch of kids, poisoned pets, etc.  There was some guy in China who made a stink about the poisonings, so he is in jail.


Actually, some german firms were behind the curtains in this story.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 00:27 | 1450509 GoldmanSux
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Is there a new sovereign man? What the fuck? Is it a conglomeration? A franchise? Where's Simon Black? Has he been sacked? Has he appointed a vice president? Is there a Simon Black? I bet Simon Black is a lawyer who processes foreign visas for a fee.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 00:35 | 1450527 Tsukato
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This guy is a fucking idiot. I live here in CQ. Nobody is tearing down good buildings and roads to build new ones. Yeah, they are putting new, and better  sidewalks in the nicer parts of town like where I live, but the old ones looked like hell. Also, there are over 500 foreign companies moving here in the next 5 years. Simon and this guy should quit conning people. Its as big a shit as him talking about Guangzhou station being a ghost station. GZ, Shenzhen, and Dongguan will merge into one megalopolis in the next 10 yrs or so, and this is just forward planning, by building it south of GZ. Too bad American leadership has no foresight. Fuck these idiots.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 00:44 | 1450548 Peak Everything
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Very nice to hear a different perspective. Thank you.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 01:58 | 1450640 dwdollar
Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:08 | 1450654 Tsukato
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You fucking uninformed, back biting little cunt. What the fuck do you know about anything. You probably think those scarey Chi-coms are comin to take yer land and bitches, and yer gonna fight them off with a hunting rifle. Idiot! Learn sthg before you open your stupid fuckin piehole!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:28 | 1450686 dogbreath
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nice bitchslap

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 03:26 | 1450787 The Real Fake E...
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Thank You for setting them straight Tsukato.  I'm also personally tired of people who have personally never stepped foot into China or who are obviously not from the regions they write about (as per author who is staying at hotel next to a construction site) 

Please forgive China for being forward thinking and laying the groundwork and infrastructure for decades to come.  Americans (wall street) have gotten too used to the idea that if this investment doesn't make me money tomorrow, then what good is it?  There's a reason China works in 5 year plans.  They set the bar high with every plan only to fall short, but I suspect they set these high bars so they can achieve what they truly would like.  This newest 5 year plan, no fucking way they achieve even 60% of it, but perhaps that's the real goal?  Who really knows?  

No one complains about forward thinking bills like the New Deal, the GI Bill, the boom in suburban housing construction, University/College construction following WW2 in America because it yielded good results for America for the better part of 40 years.  Of course we now see that so many Universities only created a true bubble of super high tuition costs, dumbing down of the system, schools not producing truly educated people, a glut of educational debt which may or may not ever be paid off - all because Americans were made to believe that a college degree entitles you to a cushy, high paying, white collar job.  

Trust me, China is not and will not make that same mistake.  China's education is super competitive for a reason - they know they won't be able to put everyone in cushy, high paying, white collar jobs like America thought they could.  You either go to a top 10 Chinese school, a top international school or you come back and you earn your living (and are fucking happy and grateful about it,) not handed it, like it's some sort of birthright.   


Is China corrupt in some ways?  Sure, but name me a country in either the civilized or uncivilized world that isn't.  Is the real estate market perhaps a little heated at the moment?  Perhaps, but would I bet it "pops" even in the next 5 years?  I wouldn't count on it.  


So while America's politicians continue to waste taxpayers money arguing about debt ceilings, left vs right, blue vs red, liberal vs conservative...forgive China's politburo for simply taking action that they see will benefit the greatest number of Chinese people in the long term.  


ps - this author doesn't even mention Chongqing's rail connecting them to Germany cutting maritime export in half.  what a joke!  any wonder why China's willing to bail out any European country in dire straits?  It's called an IOU, and China will just come back later to collect bitches!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 04:41 | 1450826 TruthInSunshine
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I've been to China over a dozen times, so I don't have the benefit of living there as you do, but are you static, or do you travel to different provinces?

I agree with you that there's much misinformation and disinformation about China, spread by those who are ignorant, and also by those who have ulterior motives.

Much of what the Chinese are doing makes sense, but quite a bit of it is clearly born out of desperation, also, in an attempt to keep employment rates as stable as possible. Is the latter an intelligent use of resources, including China's cash surplus? I will defer to history on that.

But let's call a spade a spade on some other issues.

1)  As corrupt and opaque the U.S. Government has become, and also the non-Federal Reserve Bank, the Chinese Central Politboro is at least as bad, and IMO, far worse (as hard as that is to comprehend).

2) As bad as graft and bribes and legal and illegal payoffs for political favoritism is in the United States, it's far worse in China (even with far more severe penalties if caught - something, to be perfectly honest with you, I don't understand; Why do Chinese take such risks?).

3) Shoddy and too quick construction poses real safety and infrastructure problems in many (not all) Chinese Provinces. I have witnessed this first hand in a new development zone under construction near the North Korean border, and without getting into elaborate detail, it was shocking to see how construction crews were operating in terms of lack of safety, lack of proper methods (I know something about construction), and the reckless pace of the projects I saw being undertaken (I talking about not incredibly deficient concrete being poured, not even letting foundations cure properly, lack of proper forms, and even using the exact opposite base material that should have been used underneath roads). It's hard to get much data out of China, but there are lots and lots of road failures there, especially where sand was used as base over clay, for example, before additional layers of base materials were added and compacted (road literally have slid off the ground).

4) Pollution that was so horrific, it not only affected human health, but it literally caused problems in electrical conduit (there was sulfur induced corrosion in electrical wiring and components on commercial construction projects that I set foot on) and sanitary sewer infrastructure (a first time thing for me to actually see).

5) This is more of a cultural thing, but no matter how clear documents were, and no matter how many assurances or how agreeable Chinese 'partners' were to terms that were clearly defined and agreed upon, it was just completely common and with absolute ease to see them deny core, fundamental agreements routinely.

6) In or near some of the new development zones, like Changchun, the disparity between the old and the new, the wealthy and the poor, was incredible, but this is somewhat off topic, and to be perfectly honest, this uneven development was due to the fact that Changchun, at least when I was there, was just starting to be aggressively developed (as an auto parts production development zone). Also, there's great disparity in many parts of urban America, with mere miles separating rich and poor (but the poverty I saw while being driven along the roads of Changchun was incredible to absorb, even for me, with literal dirt floor shacks standing in between two new office towers, for example).

7) This is back on point: This is just my opinion, but much of the non-industrial construction that I saw, such as massive apartment buildings (I am talking complexes of buildings that had 1000 apartments each in them, and there were three dozen of these being built in a cluster, was clearly being done to provide jobs and book GDP growth figures for the central planners, as these apartments were literally in the middle of nowhere, and it would take decades for them to draw occupancy, because they were way further from any development zone that was actually in real progress, and too far for factory workers to travel from a daily commute standpoint (I saw housing for workers built on the outskirts, close by, to the factories and development zones).

The only problems I experienced in China, to be fair, were the pollution, which on some days in Beijing and even Shanghai, caused my eyes to burn, and my unfamiliarity with the food (I know it's a stereotype, but there is no way that what I was told beef or chicken was really beef or chicken - not a chance in hell - and these were the better restaurants I was eating at, including some that were inside the best hotels). I did also see very sloppy construction methods and materials being used in many of the development zones, but there were some others that were as well constructed as any I've seen anywhere else in the world, so maybe it was a regional thing having to do with local codes and standards, or enforcement of those standards.

China is very hard to comprehend from a western mindset. It's very difficult for an American like me to feel comfortable there, not because there's anything sinister about the Chinese People, but because I don't think I've ever been to a country where the approach to day to day living, the concept of time, and the attitude of the individual regarding fate versus free will could be more different. This is not a moralistic judgment, but just a reflection on the cultural differences I perceived.

Chinese are very industrious, seem to accept their fate with very little complaining, and are almost in a zone all the time, focusing on whatever immediate task is at hand. The only time I saw native Chinese in China appear to relax was in the wealthy sections of Shanghai - which were becoming very westernized -, at a few tourist attractions, or at places of spiritual reflection.

As to the issues this article speaks to, I do not have the answer as to whether the author is more right than wrong, but I tend to agree with much of his observations, but you live there and do not, so maybe it's because of the different way by which Westerners and Chinese filter things, or there sense of perception (we are very linear in our thinking, but short term, and I believe the Chinese to be much more circular and long term, by contrast).

I hope I didn't offend you with any of my admittedly but unintentionally biased perceptions and observations, nor the conclusions I draw from them. I think much of the tension between China and Westerners when topics of discussion like this arise are based on vast gaps in our approaches to life, and general cultural and philosophical differences.

Final thought, and I will not sugar coat this: America causes much havoc, with very damaging (and many senseless) wars and foreign intervention, and we are hypocritical by holding out notions of freedom, democracy and individual liberty (and human rights), while we suppress many of these things in other parts of the world when it suits our economic or political agenda.

But the Chinese Government scares me in the sense that they treat any notion of freedom or individualism with such contempt, and they dole out such harsh punishment for things that we Americans can still rightfully claim we can do, relatively unfettered, and without the government sanctioning us, let alone imprisoning or executing us (though we've lost ground on privacy rights and other constitutional rights, and it appears a slippery slope in now in place, unfortunately for us).

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 05:22 | 1450855 Tsukato
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Hi T.I.S,

I will try to answer as well as possible, but I really am no sinologist, just know what I experience first hand.

Actually, I live here in CQ full time, as my wife is Chinese, and we have kids. I do however get around a lot, and have friends, and have been in Jilin in Songyuan, and Changchun. Actually a friend of mine whole is a representative of the area in the peoples congess, introduced me to his friend who is the GM of the VW factory up in CC.

Much of what the Chinese are doing makes sense, but quite a bit of it is clearly born out of desperation, also, in an attempt to keep employment rates as stable as possible

You're right about that. The party's support comes from the countryside. Gotta keep the peasents as happy ass possible. The middle class dont matter so much, and the poor hate them.

2) As bad as graft and bribes and legal and illegal payoffs for political favoritism is in the United States, it's far worse in China (even with far more severe penalties if caught - something, to be perfectly honest with you, I don't understand; Why do Chinese take such risks?).

I don't know if its much worse than the US, but the Chinese view is that its an acceptable  risk for the possible gains. Also, with enough money, you can buy your way out of nearly anything here.

3. You're right. Can't explain it other than absolute greed.

4. Pollution- CQ and Chengdu, where I spend most of my time, don't seem nearly as bad as L.A. or Nagoya, Japan, where I used to live.

5. You are right. Don't get me wrong by my postings. The Chinese will fuck over anyone not in their nuclear family. You cannot trust them whatsoever. The trick is to understand them, and play their game. Once you understand them, and how they are so limited by "face", you have the upper hand.

Lastly, I agree with you about America causing ungodly amounts of misery in the world, but I too am a little worried by a world lead by China. I don't think it will be as dangerous as a world with american hegemony, but it  definately will be more competitive and corrupt. That sucks I know, but humans must learn to   adapt or perish


Wed, 07/13/2011 - 15:11 | 1453089 Quarky Gluon
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Hmm, both in the OP and your post the importance of face is emphasized in Chinese culture.  Would the Chinese government then find it a worthwhile investment to hire a disinfo agent to come on a forum like this and pretend to be writing from and defend the image of particularily important location in China? How do we know you, Tsukato, live in CQ and are not instead posting from somewhere here in America? 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 18:34 | 1453950 qweilo
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Chongqing's pollution is really bad. Much worse than Los Angeles, which is the second most polluted city in America.

The middle class does matter. More and more people have ad a taste of freedom and the good life. They know what the governent is trying to do to them. I don't know how they are gonna put the genie back in the bottle.

I don't believe that Chinese can only be trusted by their family members. But family definitely comes first. The rules of engagement are just totally different with Americans and Chinese.


Wed, 07/13/2011 - 05:27 | 1450858 Spitzer
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What you see as poverty is not actually that bad. In Thailand, poor people always have a cheap decent apartment to rent for $80 a month. The cheap living costs is a good safety net.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 05:44 | 1450868 Tsukato
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Boy, you hit that one on the head. In america, if someone is poor, they are completely fucked. In places like Thai, Indo, VN, and China, the poor can still have a pretty nice quality life- cheap rent, cheap restaurants, cheap alcohol. Not such a stigma for the poor in these countries. In america, if you cant afford Starbucks, there's not another cheap starbucks selling cafe for $.50

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:39 | 1450901 King Durian
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Okay, I was reading a lot of this, but this I simply just cannot let pass. I can speak with authority that you may be correct that living while poor is doable and of a decent quality life in Thailand, due to their temple system there. If you are hungry and destitute in Thailand, the Buddhist system of temples will ensure a meal for pets and humans alike. So, you are right concerning Thailand, and Indonesia is somewhat similar to that.

But China is a place where if you do not have food you STARVE. There are NO social safety nets, no salvation armies, and well the smaller the city, the better your hope of having someone give you any money on the street for that food. You starve and collapse in a shrunken heap of a previous human being if you do not have money in China. And for the poor that do manage the get by, their day-to-day existence is MUCH worse than in these other countries. My chinese friends have commented that they think the poorer Thais more live like kings than poor people- just look at the size of their house! And the way Malaysians live- whoa, get out of here- you're talking 1st world living status and thats without considering the bumiputras! So with few exceptions, the poor of China are truly among the poorest in the world in terms of living standards. No NGO's there to help you, no soup kitchen to save you.  Don't let the nouveau riche of China blind you on the way out.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:04 | 1450926 Tsukato
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You've gotta be kidding! There are plenty of cheap alternatives to everything in China. Maybe if you are poor, you shouldn't expect to live in Shanghai, or Shenzhen. But so what. The countryside is super cheap, and people can always farm. It in no way resembles really fukt up places like India or many parts of Africa. Again, you are ill informed.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:05 | 1450927 Tsukato
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You've gotta be kidding! There are plenty of cheap alternatives to everything in China. Maybe if you are poor, you shouldn't expect to live in Shanghai, or Shenzhen. But so what. The countryside is super cheap, and people can always farm. It in no way resembles really fukt up places like India or many parts of Africa. Again, you are ill informed.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:15 | 1450944 King Durian
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What's the monthly salary of workers for a rural internet cafe?

What's the monthly salary of teachers in rural schools?

How much is a bowl of noodles out there?

Start talking numbers, or else this talk of "cheap" is all irrelevant.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:52 | 1451024 snowball777
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Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:07 | 1451075 Tsukato
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Haha! That Durian is such a stinky little bitch :)

Ok Durian, a wangba worker probably makes 600-800 kwai a month plus free room and board. Maybe more or less, but how the fuck would I know cuz I'm not hangin out with  fukn offspring of peasents you fucking dumbass! Noodles maybe 2-3 kwai. Not cheap enough for you einstein?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:07 | 1451076 Tsukato
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Haha! That Durian is such a stinky little bitch :)

Ok Durian, a wangba worker probably makes 600-800 kwai a month plus free room and board. Maybe more or less, but how the fuck would I know cuz I'm not hangin out with  fukn offspring of peasents you fucking dumbass! Noodles maybe 2-3 kwai. Not cheap enough for you einstein?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:29 | 1451129 King Durian
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precisely. you don't know the salary. because you dont know any of these people. you see china through one lense only.wangba workers do NOT get free room and board.

2-3 kuai, is only for instant noodles. and you apparently think a worker eating ramen for life is a good life. versus what they eat in thailand for 4 kuai, which is fresh food.

and 600 is generous for a salary in the country. try 400-500. teachers making 400. I guess that's enough salary for them, huh einstein?

While Thailand people would make a minimum of 1000 rmb at that same comparable job. Huh? Are you that surprised the PPI for Thai Baht is higher than the RMB? Are you so surprised that the RMB doesn't buy anything close to what it used to?

Excluding breakfast, in which you are correct 2-4 rmb gets a meal, your numbers are from 5 years ago. Try minimum 8 rmb for a decent meal now. 15 in the city. 8x3=24 24x30= 720. Whoa, so this 600 RMB isn't so generous of a salary now, is it? Is it any wonder the peasants think that peasants from another country are living the high life.



Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:51 | 1451208 Tsukato
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Bullshit. In the countryside people spend 2-3 kwai for mei shien. And more importantly, who the fuk cares what they are making. These people are doing nothing. How much is a McDonalds worker making back in the states? Is that enough to live on? How about new teachers? Also, why don't you think peasants eat fresh food?! Its cheaper than processed food dumb ass. What the hell are you trying to prove? That I dont hang with peasents? You got me there. Should  I feel some sort of guilt for making a lot of money? I don't. Should I feel ashamed that life in China is becoming better than life in the US, and there is much more opportunity? I don't. Should I feel bad for the american penguin because they lived beyond their means, and have an inability to adapt to a more competitive world. I don't. The smartest and the best will always adapt to contemporary situations, and come out on top. The back biting, passive agressive types with no courage, intelligence, or drive, will always sink into oblivion. That sucks for them / you, but life is tough. Quit whining for the campesinos, cuz its obvious the campesino you cry for is you.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:01 | 1451236 King Durian
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Your contempt for the people of the countryside proves that you are most likely not an American. It more than not proves that you are a Chinese city dweller that believes themselves better than that of the countryside people, a defining trait of the urban citizen in China. I just wanted to identify that you aren't in fact American, and your response provided that nicely.

I would love to see how passive agressive and backbiting these peasants are when they have the power of the uncensored internet and a strong renminbi. Let's see how powerless these people are then. And I would love to see how you compete with these countryside folk when the renminbi equals the dollar, or the ringgit or taiwan dollar at least, when suddenly what they have in their pocket is actually worth something.  Lets see what your ability is to adapt to a competitive world will be when the renminbi itself is forced to be competitive instead of sitting in the playpen at the childcare center.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:16 | 1451271 Tsukato
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Whoa there Mary, in your hurry to brand me a chinky. you fukt up. Of course I don't hang out with peasents. Why would I? But I have no hatred for them. The passive -agressive I was talking about was YOU,  and the majority of Americans. I'm gonna laugh my ass off when the average peasent can fly over to L.A. and fuck a blonde american chick for 100 kwai! Just deserts if you ask me. Maybe they can fuck you for 50? Bitch! 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:25 | 1451300 King Durian
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Mmhmm, you still didnt mention what you would do when you suddenly had to be competitive because the renminbi wasn't in the playpen anymore.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:40 | 1451339 Tsukato
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For God's sake, are you retarded!? You did notice that I live in CQ didnt you? That means I'm already competing, and winning. And, of course I'm waiting for Bernanke to force the party's hand, cuz then, I'm gonna be super rich! Perhaps I'll be able to buy some of my ex-country men and women, and use them as a kind of indentured servant type thing. Hell, I'll pimp out uni grads from back home, and get even richer! HAHAHA! Yeah, good times they are a'commin!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:46 | 1451359 King Durian
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Well, Tsukato, we will see indeed the result when a bowl of noodles in Shanghai is the same price as a bowl of noodles in New York City.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:33 | 1452685 Zone1
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Proof you aren't American: no American calls it uni.  Sorry.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:41 | 1451577 ElvisDog
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I must say, Tsukato vs Durian is the ZH bitch-slap fight of the year. Yes, fucking blonde american women is the non-American male dream around the world. How much would 100 kwai be in U.S. dollars?

One advantage to being an American even in the 21st century - I'm married to a hot, blonde American woman and get to fuck her all the time.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:47 | 1452088 The Real Fake E...
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the best english speaking Chinese here (in China) would not know how to use slang like Tsukato, so yes I do believe him when he says he's American.  

full disclosure: every once in a while I miss fucking white American women, but the Chinese punani is too easy and fine (though they don't shave/wax here) the feeling quickly passes.  

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:14 | 1452605 tarsubil
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LOL, phishing for where he screwed up? I don't think anyone is going to help you with that.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:36 | 1452427 chumbawamba
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Thanks for the great comment.

- Chumblez

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:57 | 1450916 Thomas
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Somebody has quite a potty mouth.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:35 | 1450717 Non Passaran
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Thanks for posting the link.
This guy and that "laomei" (which my iPhone spellchecker corrects to "lame") seem to be true China scholars!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:14 | 1450881 Tsukato
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Nobody said Laomei or I are China experts. We do however, live here, and our opinions are surely worth more than yours. When people like you make your sorry assed, snide, backbiting, little bitch comments about China, its like me making uniformed comments about doucheviille, alabama, or whatever other cesspool you live in. God made us with 2 ears, and 1 mouth for a reason champ.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:00 | 1450918 Thomas
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I live in Doucheville, Alabama. The French quarter is delightful. 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:07 | 1450930 Tsukato
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Haha! Good one!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 03:22 | 1450782 Double down
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Except he is bad at it.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 00:45 | 1450550 moneymutt
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Agreed, when Vegas was tearing down everything, was it a jobs program or anticipating demand

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:24 | 1450681 AnAnonymous
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Agreed, when Vegas was tearing down everything, was it a jobs program or anticipating demand


When it is done by US citizens, it is different.

When US citizens do something, it is forcefully good.

For example, stealing a land that was never theirs was good.

When others try to recapture land that was theirs, it is bad.

US=good, others= bad.

This is the US world order and the US citizens nature is eternal.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 03:58 | 1450809 Jacks Creation
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Wed, 07/13/2011 - 04:13 | 1450818 Tsukato
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Haha! You probably have that dumbass sticker on your car. Ever been to Tibet? Bet not. Tibet was a lot like El Salvador. A small number of super rich families owning everything. Many tibetan people were actual slaves, owned by the rich, and treated no better than livestock. Ask some old Tibetans. When the Chinese came in, the rich split post haste with the Dalai Lama, and started bitchin and moanin, and hanging out with stars like richard gere. Only fucking retarded, half informed, american "hippies" would post "Tibet..." Get out and understand your world douchebag.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 04:25 | 1450820 AnAnonymous
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Chinese are hated by US citizens on Tibet because contrary to the US, China ended slavery in Tibet.


US citizens love to indulge themselves in believing their own propaganda. The very fact is that the US is a nation that, while proclaiming freedom, maintained slavery. They looked over their shoulders and see that Europeans made the same. US citizens are satisfied with that. Can play the gang game and anytime questioned about their stance on slavery, tells Europeans that they did not end slavery themselves.

US looks over shoulder again and sees China in Tibet ending slavery. By Jove. No longer gang game possible, no longer sharing crime pie blame story possible.

Every time the US looks at Tibet, they are forced to admit their real history, discarding their own pampering propaganda.


The very idea that China ended slavery in Tibet is a disgusting thought to US citizens.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:20 | 1450884 Jacks Creation
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What is this 'sharing crime pie blame story' of which you speak? Should it be served with cream?

Look, if you're going to Astroturf western forums I think you need to suggest to your Handlers that legibility really needs to take a higher priority in your set of achievable goals.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:24 | 1451112 AnAnonymous
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What is this 'sharing crime pie blame story' of which you speak? Should it be served with cream?


What is the story? Known by all US citizens.

Do not oppose the principle. Oppose others acting the same.

So if one states that the US has done this or that, the first reaction of US citizens is to look for common ground, one (or more exactly one's group) has done the same. Many, many occurrences on this site. State the US has stolen an entire continent and poof, the reaction is that US citizens tell that others did the same or it is human nature.

That is why  US citizens are uncomfortable on Tibet. They can not play the game "you did the same" China went into Tibet and ended slavery.

 China did not act like the US on the ground on slavery. The claim that what US has done is human nature takes fully in the face the very fact that one billion people or more did not act the same. 


US citizens are big relativists. Every time one speaks of the US citizens vs their own US set standards, US citizens keep looking elsewhere to find rationalizations to their own doings.

Never miss. Blatant when it comes to their opposition to Muslims. The "Muslims do that too" occurs on and on.

Again, trouble with China and Tibet, they cant tell Chinese have done the same.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:36 | 1451559 Fukushima Sam
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You're a bit obsessed with this American slavery thing.  Meanwhile, most Americans have made peace with their ancestors' past decisions and have moved on.

History is rife with closets containing skeletons.  The best we can do when we open the door is learn lessons from them, not shriek with guilt and fear and crumple into a heap of self-loathing despair.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:05 | 1451794 AnAnonymous
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No. It just underlines that the US citizen nature is eternal. US citizens have not changed a bit since the inception of their nation.

Most 'Americans' have made peace with their ancestors' past decisions and have moved on? I suggest you read your own sentence again and again and test it, I dunno, against this forum and when it is not enough, against another forum. Do not limit yourself to virtual pools of information. Go in real life and test your thesis.

If you return a positive on that thesis, please send me your protocol. I'd gladly use it anytime I need to cook a conclusion.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:53 | 1452134 Rick Masters
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Notice he doesn't deny that he is a troll from the PRC.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 04:56 | 1450841 Jacks Creation
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How long have you worked for the Chinese Govt Tsukato? Which branch are you, MSS? Are you ethnic Han?

Hate to break it to you, It's not only Hippies that are interested in the CPC's human right's abuses.

I'm a big fan of Hu Jia. How do you think your Govt should treat him?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 05:26 | 1450857 Tsukato
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I'm an American you silly little cunt. What about all those innocents in Guantanamo, shit for brains?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 05:42 | 1450866 Jacks Creation
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I don't think you're an American.

Now, I'm going to swerve that particular straw man you're serving up. All torture is wrong, including that carried out by American agents of the state, both actual and proxy. Guantanamo is a concentration camp and should be closed.

You didn't answer my other questions. Are you ethnic Han? What do you think your Govt should do about Hu Jia? Do you think the detention of political activist's in China is wrong?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:23 | 1450886 Tsukato
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are you fucking joking? If I was raving about braziliann bitches, and about good times on the copa cabana, must I be a brasilian? Pull your head out of your ass. Really, you are just like a fucking child.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:35 | 1450894 Jacks Creation
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Still no answer, I see.

I'll ask them again:-

Are you ethnic han? What do you think your Govt should do about Hu Jia? Do you think the detention of Political activist's in China is wrong?

You seem reluctant in answering these questions.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:15 | 1450945 Tsukato
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Hu Jia!? Are you joking?! Why the fuck should I give a shit about him? Better yet, why should you? He knew what he was getting into, and was not a child. Why the fuck should any of us care? Why especially do you care? I know your tupe all too well. You are really PC, and like to use it as a weapon on people who can actually think for themselves. But you never do this mono on mono cuz you have no nuts to speak of. You are a spineless little cunt, and I'd love to run into you some day and give you the trounsing you so need. Now run away little girl.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:27 | 1450962 Jacks Creation
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I care about him, because I haven't swapped my humanity for political advancement.


On a brighter note, Congratulations! You failed the Chinese Spook Turing test. Where would you like me to send the certificate?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:12 | 1451089 DarkAgeAhead
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I'm with Jack's Creation.  If you're intending to sound like the chinese guy in the Hangover, you're doing an exceptional job.

Funny to see Chinese caricaturing Americans.  Good stuff!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:26 | 1451118 tarsubil
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You're a decent attempt as a troll but there are a couple places where your mask slips throughout this thread. Any American who reads your stuff will see it. I'm not going to point it out since that would just help you PRC paid trolls refine your methods.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:54 | 1451672 ElvisDog
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Well, for example, no American would ever use the word "trounsing" even if they did spell it correctly. It seems you're confusing 19th century upper-class British slang for 21st century American slang.

"By jove, if you slander China again, I'll give you a proper trouncing"

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:11 | 1451835 AnAnonymous
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Well, for example, no American would ever use the word "trounsing" even if they did spell it correctly.


Another typical US citizen. Made me laugh. Really gang mindset.

Made me laugh. Reminds of english supporters who think that someone using the word "massive" is a Manchester City supporter and someone using the word "bottling it" a Liverpool fan.

Better to hope that US citizens realize that their propaganda is extremelly shallow. Makes me think of those tribes that purify their members anytime they venture away and come back to the tribe. Shows how much US citizens are tribal.

Just a hint: language skills when abroad are changed. People are influenced by their environment.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:55 | 1452139 ElvisDog
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I have no idea what the point of your response was. It's "propaganda" to point out that someone who claims to be an American uses a word that no modern-day American would use in casual conversation? Clearly, there is a Chinese word that some translation device converted into "trouncing" and Tsukato, who is not an American, didn't know any better and used it in a post.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 23:27 | 1454908 dogbreath
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there are words in the english language of which most are never heard in a trailer court

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 07:28 | 1455371 tarsubil
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Haha, and you wirr get a ritthre surprise, American dogs.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 13:17 | 1452612 tarsubil
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There is no need to point this stuff out. Any American is going to pick up on his odd tendancies. You're just helping the PRC refine their trolling when you do.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 14:15 | 1452851 King Durian
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Ya, just laugh at their mistakes but keep the mistakes they make to yourself. People make a good living out of paid trolling for the government in China. Almost a whole $1000 dollars a month, so watch out, they will refine their tactics otherwise they'll get the shitcan from their superiors.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:22 | 1450954 spanish inquisition
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You must be CIA, are you CIA? Do you work out of DC, how do you like the city. Good job on bringing up human rights and how you hate torture. It is obvious that you are CIA. Do you get to torture? I will ask you again, are you CIA? Why don't you answer me truthfully and tell me you are CIA, what are you hiding? We all know you are CIA....

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:38 | 1450975 Jacks Creation
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Ha! CIA!

I'm not even American.

The only Torture I've ever witnessed is the low level domestic variety inflicted on me by my wife and Kids.

Where are you based?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:07 | 1451248 LFMayor
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you see senor, I know you are pinche CIA.  /sarc off.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:04 | 1451407 TSA gropee
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You're too funny. I think King Darian hit the nail on your pointy head.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:54 | 1450912 King Durian
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He's either an American, or he is an American living in China of the camp that his previous citizenship is thus inferior to the Chinese Miracle. I can profile this guy pretty well based on his comments.

1. Pro-China, obviously, Pro-Chinese Economy. His wife is a patriot, and she doesn't take well to criticism of her country. It rubs off on him.

2. Tsukato lives in one of the nice high-rises that we hear about, accentuating China's development and giving it its GDP flavor of endless construction. However, the vertical style of building in China has taken much away from community interaction, and has created a cold approach to neighbor interaction. Therefore, Tsukato probably has no clue how people are living in his own complex, let alone the rest of the neighborhood.

3. Tsukato loves mentioning that he's met this dang-guanr that dang-guanr (official or one in high position), but there has been a peep out of him regarding the laobaixing (the people) Tsukato seems to have fallen into the trap of looking at China in one lense only. And, well, like I said, don't let the nouveau riche of China blind you on the way out.

Unfortunately, some expats in China deal with the relocalization of their perspectives and habits by taking the Chinese government perspective. This is however understandable, as the amount of media championeering any other perspective is slim to nil. So, Tsukato has soaked in a lot of CCTV and other domestic state media in order to come up with these perspectives. Don't blame him. It takes a strong person psychologically not to get temporarily affected anyways by the effective Chinese propaganda lines in the mainstream media there. There's a whole feel good party, there's not a problem in sight, and Tsukato just wants to be a part of that party.

Granted, I am not saying Tsukato is not profiting from this arrangement, he probably is. But, the lense in his eyes is getting fogged and is not functioning like the reflective light-filtering prism that it should.


Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:06 | 1450928 Jacks Creation
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I don't think he's from the US. He does a passable impression of a self-hating American, but he seems to be over-egging certain aspects of US phraseology. I think he's a Chinese Spook, they have departments set up to counter any anti-Chinese articles in Western media that allow comments.

His reluctance to answer certain Questions regarding the CPC's treatment of political dissidents speaks volumes.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:11 | 1450938 King Durian
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It is true that due to Zero Hedge's accuracy and general superiority in financial news reporting the Chinese as of last year started actively participating in Zero Hedge's conversations. It is also true that some, not all, probably under government direction and a handsome salary of  $700 a month post comments here as well as other websites, proclaiming they are Americans or other nationalities, all the while using these foreign avatars to deliver Pro-China messages.

I would respect them a lot more if they just came out and said they were Chinese, and they weren't so afraid (dan xiao) to simply come on here and say Yes, I'm Chinese, and Yes, I think this. A response like that would not be met with such derisive criticism.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:18 | 1450948 Jacks Creation
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True, but they are unable to speak freely. There is always someone watching them .

Which is why, if you ask them about Poilitical dissidents or any other negative qualities of the one party State and the CPC, they tend to clam up pretty quickly, or start using logical fallacies to try and change the subject.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:55 | 1452147 False_Profit
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jacks, et al:

i appreciate your input on this...i believe in the truth, regardless of national boundaries and you have shined a light on the topic at hand.  i admit i was falling for his first couple entries but then started to wonder about the language he was using...extraordinarily vulgar for a financial/political discourse.  your thread of questioning on human rights was an excellent checksum on his authenticity.

i truly believe you called it and i give you kudos...

ps: in the immortal words in the movie strange days: it's not whether you're paranoid or not, it's whether you're paranoid enough...

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:40 | 1452441 AnAnonymous
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your thread of questioning on human rights was an excellent checksum on his authenticity.


Does it mean that US citizens stand for human rights? If so, how do you explain the US history?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 07:32 | 1455378 tarsubil
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Haha, what you think about this ritthre surprise, American dogs...?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:33 | 1451145 AnAnonymous
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Now, I'm going to swerve that particular straw man you're serving up. All torture is wrong, including that carried out by American agents of the state, both actual and proxy. Guantanamo is a concentration camp and should be closed.


Funny as funny. So what? Another US citizen looking to play the gang game.

Facts are facts, no matter where they come from, no matter the group one is said to belong to.

What is your opinion worth? Nothing. It has no influence on your own government. Why do you ask other people's opinion to have influence on their government? Especially when they do live an authoritarian system.

See, the US is a government such that nothing is done without the consent of the US people. Torture is done by people empowered by the US people, on their behalf. They are hit men for the US People.

In an authoritarian government, an autocratic government, the government is not empowered by people, the government acts without the consent of their own people.

So instead of blaming chinese or some others for some actions they have no influence on, maybe you should put your priorities right and exert your own power on your government.

What are you looking for? That the chinese condone their government actions so you have a moral ground to kill them?

Because so far, we have a practical evidence that both governments torture but only one is doing it with the approval and the commendation of its own people, that is the US.

So wanting to push Americanism on other people can not be sold as a way to prevent torture.

Harsh return to reality maybe but hey, this is US driven world and things are not nice in the US world order. 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:43 | 1451591 Fukushima Sam
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Hey, you are not by any chance... Chinese?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:18 | 1451883 AnAnonymous
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But of course. This is the most sane explanation that can be given in this US world order.

People pointing at deep malfunctions in the US political theory or at severe gap between talks and reality can not be US citizens. I totally agree on that.

Once this settled, clearly, people complaining about torture should come to terms that the US system of government has not prevented torture promoted by the State.

The only difference is that while in old orders, torture was authorized by the quality of rulers themselves, not including their subjects, torture thanks to the US political theory is now authorized and enforced through the will and approval of the subjects, citizens or anything like that.

And if it takes to be a Chinese or anything else to admit that fact, well, I am what it takes.

But it certainly not takes to be a US citizen since, by their own admission, people stating those facts can not be US citizens.

US citizens can not deal with facts. Only with propaganda. Their own words and wishes.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 07:05 | 1455324 Jacks Creation
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Christ, you're dull.

Look, if you are going to troll for the PLA, could you please at least do us all the courtesy of making it a bit snappier.

You'd send a glass  eye to sleep.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:45 | 1450904 King Durian
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And your Tibetan friends told you this? You understand the Han perspective on this quite well, but I think you should be a little bit more duoyuanhua in your thinking to understand the Tibetans are people of quite different perspectives on the issue. So, until someone dons you with the white cloth of Tibet, I suggest you keep your Tibet musings to yourself.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:19 | 1450950 Tsukato
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God I'd love to school you and Jack's creation in person. You think you are so very clever, but you come across as uninformed, crass, losers. Nothing more. Go fuck yerselves.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:45 | 1451000 King Durian
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Name the bar, name the KTV in Taiwan where we meet and I would love to entertain your schooling. Just remember, you need your ru tai zheng (Taiwan permit for Mainland Chinese) to come to Taiwan buddy. Better line up, there's a 20 day waiting period. Of course, if you're an American, then come right on over and we'll have an intellectual PK in Taipei. 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:47 | 1451007 Jacks Creation
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I'm sure you would. You will never get the opportunity. You're failure here will hopefully limit your advancement within the party ranks.

It's very good of you to expose your true nature. Thankyou.

On a side note, would you and your colleagues come for me between midnight and dawn, as is traditional; or would you use the 'bundle into a car' option?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:09 | 1451820 ElvisDog
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Today's lesson in impersonating an American:

Americans are vulgar people who swear all the time. In every sentence you write, include at least one, and preferably more than one, swear word. The words "fuck", "asshole", and "shit" are good choices.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:35 | 1451151 AnAnonymous
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And your Tibetan friends told you this?


Some Tibetans are pleased, some are unpleased. What has it to do with it?

Should the same be done with US negroes or Indians to compare? Maybe time to come to and realize that the US has no ground to lecture even a country like China and the even weights a lot.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 01:01 | 1450581 infiniti
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Massive over-investment in real estate and deeply inverted yield curves usually end well.

Skittles, unicorns, and rainbows for eternity... welcome to China!

A not-so-hot property

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 01:40 | 1450627 eigenvalue
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Yeah, everything is "in the future". This is utter hopium. Do you know why these is such large scale construction and investment right now in Chongqing? That's because Bo Xilai wants a seat on the Politburo Standing Committee next year! All the "prosperity" in Chongqing is simply his casino token in the power struggle.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:39 | 1450727 Non Passaran
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Haha, true that!
There's quite a few articles on that Maoist.
Maybe he's real good, but probably not!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 04:00 | 1450812 Jacks Creation
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Shhhhhh.......don't break the spell.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 04:54 | 1450840 Tsukato
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What the fuck do you know about Bo Xilai? Do you know he was sent to CQ to fight corruption aand organized crime? He put nearly 3000 local officials in prison and cleaned up the crime in this city. He had to live under armed guard at all times, and use a helicopter for transport. He is one of the good guys with a genuine zeal for cleaning up this country. He's definately not the shit you like to make him out to be. 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:51 | 1450908 tarsubil
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When you say "corruption and organized crime" do you mean "unsanctioned corruption and organized crime"?

Oh and Tibet... (I love how this one word makes you commies bust a nut).

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:04 | 1451064 snowball777
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He's the Dubya of Chongqing and your sycophantic drool is disgusting. I'm with Jack; you're a fucking Chinese propagandist...and not even a good one.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 01:45 | 1450631 ahamer
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  + 100 what is it with these guys who visit a place for 5 minutes and become an expert on how it works. The shorts must be really burning as we have been hearing about the collapse for some time now.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:32 | 1451315 Smokey1
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Well said. I agree with you.

I hear so much fucking shit propaganda about China's "fake" growth that it makes me want to puke.

This work of fiction posing as an article is a journalistic embarrassment.

America is upside down $100+ trillion, yet so many people here are quick to point at China's alleged money troubles.

The economic future belongs to China. The USA has a rendezvous with catastrophe.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:46 | 1451617 Fukushima Sam
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The US has a rendezvous with crisis.  Time will tell if it is catastrophe, or if instead it is creative destruction enabling our rebirth.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:00 | 1452176 False_Profit
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Gott mit uns...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 06:37 | 1455303 bakken
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Another one?  Where did you come from?  Catastrophe?  You guys unfortunately are soon to run out of water, bitch.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 00:37 | 1450530 moneymutt
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China construction sector is 60 percent of GDP, in US, construction is 4 percent of GDP.....somewhere in between these two percentages is a healthy in China is waaaay bigger than their manufacturing sector, when the building stops, the music stops

When the FED prints money, they hand it to the financial sector to speculate or buy Treasuries so we can pay banks interest on our least when China prints money they get a new road or high speed rail or a 110 story building to replace a 10 story building. Maybe it's a waste but I'd rather have 110 story building with few tenants than a banker getting his bonus and hiring hookers and coke.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 03:07 | 1450771 boiltherich
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I live in Southern Oregon, the other day I was dismayed to find the Taco Bell at a major intersection being torn down though it was only 6 years old, and they were smashing it down with a huge machine that just ripped it up, no apparent effort to salvage anything.  I don't even eat at Taco Bell, but I wondered why they were doing this so I asked and was told they wanted a newer restaurant.  The new one will be a few hundred square feet larger with a better drive through.  They even tore down the sign for god's sake, I bet the new sign is exactly the same.  I had no idea profits at TB were so great, but then one day the USA will be wall to wall empty WalMarts and Taco Bells I guess, now if they spent half the money on putting actual meat in their tacos as they do tearing down perfectly good buildings I might actually consider eating at one. 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 04:49 | 1450837 TruthInSunshine
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They do this because it's in the franchise agreements, which is like a vice grip upon the franchisee, imposed by Yum-Yum (which owns the Taco Bell, KFC and Pizza Hut franchises).

This is one of the things that's typically beneficial to both Yum-Yum AND the franchisee, even though it can cause short term financial pain for the franchisee.

By dramatically upgrading the aesthetic appearance of the building, putting in new equipment, retraining the staff, implementing a lot of cost saving and efficient technology, it dramatically increases revenue and traffic on a same store sales basis.

Also, this is typically done where the location is good, but the building is at least 15 years old.

And some of these tear downs and rebuilds are corporate owned stores. McDonald's has also been aggressively doing tear downs and rebuilds at both company owned and franchisee stores.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 00:43 | 1450543 ViewfromUnderth...
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I remember reading a Michael Pettis post in 2009, about ghost-cities, and all the comments piled in lampooning the stupidity of the Chinese. Except one, who said "this is the way the Chinese do it...I saw it in the 90s and I am seeing again now".

Now, if you had to house hundreds of millions would you build accommodation and infrastruture in advance or would you wait for everyone to arrive?

A little further reading...

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 01:57 | 1450642 Missiondweller
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I'd wait till they could afford to buy them. Empty buildings don't do anyone any good.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 00:43 | 1450544 iDealMeat
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Who Cares? ...  So what??.  As in, So Fucking what you dirty little slut!


Wed, 07/13/2011 - 00:50 | 1450558 ThoughtCriminal
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communist collectivization in reverse: move the proletariats from the villages and back into the cities

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 00:50 | 1450560 blunderdog
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Are they going to offer the Chinese equivalent of the H1B so out of work 'Merkins can go there for jobs?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 00:59 | 1450580 skywalker
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this thing is ture, chinese have no far sights, but only want to get a quick outcome within little days.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 01:05 | 1450591 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Yeah, and American suburbs are so zen.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 01:16 | 1450606 Tsukato
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Its maddening to see how little westerners understand China. I'm not saying the govt./party are angels, but jesus christ, there is no way to make china into a functioning unit without a strong central govt. Chinese are not americcans. They are very greedy, with no consciouses. They will fuck anyone to make a buck. This is a cultural trait. The party has to crack the whip to keep these people in line. Democracy would be an absolute joke here, and the country would collapse into anarchy instataneously.

Regarding Simon and his friends- putting boots on the ground-  HAHA. God help any organization that depended on these fucktards for intelligence gathering. These cunts are just two bit con men.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 01:49 | 1450634 eigenvalue
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It's maddening to see such idiotic rubbish. Taiwanese are also Chinese with the same culture and language. Democracy is being practised there in Taiwan. Do you see collapse and anarchy there in Taiwan? Of course not. You are either a brainwashed critter or simply a shill!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:01 | 1450648 Missiondweller
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Thank you.

The Chinese here in San Francisco seem to be doing OK in a democratic country also.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:53 | 1450910 cosmictrainwreck
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holy shit am I disappointed - thought most here could parse concepts. eigenvalue & missiondweller defending the Chinese race and/or "culture". he's talking about the Chinese in China, within the Chi-com structure, as it exists at present, ya dip-shits. PS, in case anybody's listening, I'd remind you that some of this is just smoke: if you want to look "long-term" consider the reality that the real power-brokers are the PLA.... just crank that into your strategic plannning

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:12 | 1450659 Tsukato
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Ever watch their paliament brawls, with people bashing each other with chairs? By the way, whats Taiwan's population fucknuts?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:29 | 1450692 eigenvalue
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Parliament brawls? So what? The Japanese also have parliament brawls. It doesn't matter as long as people are represented. Taiwan has a population of 23 million but population has nothing to do with whether democracy is applicable to a certain country or not. The first democracy was in the city of Athens which had a population of fewer than a million. If population is a problem, why is democracy being practised in the US, a country with 300 million people. Finally, get yourself better educated because your replies are full of spelling and grammatical mistakes, moron.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 03:08 | 1450773 dogbreath
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reccomended reading:  The Soong Dynasty  by sterling seagrave also the author of Yamashita's Gold.


shut up

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:17 | 1451879 ElvisDog
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The Athens that you speak of had a population of less than 30,000 citizens. Pretty amazing to think of what essentially is a small town these days coming up with all those advances in philosophy, mathematics, astronomy, and so on.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:04 | 1450650 dwdollar
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Assuming for a moment that's true, then the joke's on you.  You're the one living with them.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:15 | 1450661 Tsukato
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Yeah, jokes on me huh? I'm getting wealthy, and you sad little cunts are watching your world end. Enjoy the rest of your sorry little life.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:34 | 1450712 dogbreath
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Stick around cuz you fight good.  Things were getting a bit stale of late.  Been to china twice btw and planning to go back soon.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:18 | 1451100 Tsukato
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Hey Db, Thanks for the kind words. I've gotta go though. This place is being overrun by apes. I'm thinking maybe alex jones put a king sized link here today. What a fucking waste of a day. Have a good one.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:16 | 1451272 LFMayor
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Apes?  you little rice eating bastard.  Keep mouthing off like that and we'll start importing opium into your "celestial paradise" of a homeland again.

How'd that work out last time?  Us "apes" had you over the barrel for what, a century or two?  The magnificent cradle of civilization prostituted it's entire heritage for a couple of dope balls and a clay pipe.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 06:48 | 1455315 bakken
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Hey, YO, the Communist authorities execute thousands every month for dealing drugs.  Drugs in China today are a reality,  drug use is a reality.   The Chinese dystopia creates a lot of users and the Chinese do have a weakness for opiods, or their newer commercialized synthetics which mimic it.  China is advanced enough that it has lots and lots of labs!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:37 | 1450718 eigenvalue
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Yeah, keep on ignoring your miserable present and always live in your "wealthy" future.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 03:09 | 1450777 dogbreath
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and you value yourself so highly.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:28 | 1450891 Tsukato
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Miserable present?! HAHAHA! I'm netting more every year than you'll probably see in the rest of your life, and paying 0% taxes. My 2 houses are paid off, I go out of country on trips 4 times a year, and wake up after 10am nearly every day.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:01 | 1450919 tarsubil
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But you live in China with 1 billion + Chinese. You get to leave 4 times a year but I get to be outside of China all year long.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:28 | 1450892 Tsukato
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Miserable present?! HAHAHA! I'm netting more every year than you'll probably see in the rest of your life, and paying 0% taxes. My 2 houses are paid off, I go out of country on trips 4 times a year, and wake up after 10am nearly every day.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:01 | 1450873 RagnarDanneskjold
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I have lived in China for several years and I side with Tsukato on this, though not entirely. I do believe that the 2008 stimulus has led to an overrun and a buildup of bad debt will be fobbed off onto the central bank/government, just like they did a decade ago and just like the USG/Fed did with TARP, TALP,etc. I think we may see a serious slowdown, perhaps even a recession, and then we'll see whether the hardliners or reformers emerge as the victors. At least from what I see, the next inline to be premier is much more economically focused than Wen Jiabao. Li Keqiang seems to favor the policies that we'd associate with the U.S. circa 1950, i.e. building a big middle class.

Most of these articles come from people visiting the country. We see things through Western eyes that do not make sense. If you build a whole city of empty buildings, you go broke and fail in America. If you do that in China, you can wait it out a year or two and then...magically a boom hits and the place fills up. I think they are playing musical chairs with development and they will overbuild and have a crash at some point, maybe in the next couple of years, but the U.S. had the Depression and came out the other side in good shape. Chanos may get rich, good luck to him, but Chongqing probably will fill up.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:54 | 1451664 Fukushima Sam
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Lol, life's not ending, just getting started! The reason America sucks these days is because the herders have been able to keep the sheep happy and compliant.  Once that is over then we will be able to really live again!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:58 | 1451701 Fukushima Sam
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Sorry, double post.  Looks like the Chinese bots and script kiddies are hitting the site hard today.  ;-)

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 07:05 | 1450929 King Durian
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The resurgence of religion in China being legalized allowing citizens to go to church services without the chapel being surrounded by security forces whilst churchgoers are photographed and video recorded in the chapel by the police would nip the morals problem in the bud.

It is an unnatural and forced result that the Chinese are as nonreligious as they are now currently. So this is a "athiesm bubble" so to speak. When we consult historical norms, it is easy to identify that this is a bubble. When you look to Taiwan and other free economies and countries with Chinese roots, you see a historical norm in the level of religious belief in these areas. Consequently, "fucking anyone to make a buck" is less prevalent in these areas. And you, Tsukato, would most know, would you not? Surely you would know of the massive religious resurgence going underways in China? The silent but omnipresent force of believing in Guan Yin, Jesus, Allah, Ma Zi, I'm sure you're aware these forces are rising yoy? And as these forces are rising yoy at perhaps double digit growth rates in the New China, and knowing that religion is the most effective force of restraint upon humans, wouldn't you hesitate at your statement that "cracking the whip to keep people in line" would be the best idea to rule the Chinese people? I would think you surely would hesitate before making a statement like that. A statement like that would make you the enemy of the laobaixing you're trying to sell products to as well as the rest of the American majority that you write to on this website.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:39 | 1451160 AnAnonymous
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When you look to Taiwan and other free economies and countries with Chinese roots, you see a historical norm in the level of religious belief in these areas. Consequently, "fucking anyone to make a buck" is less prevalent in these areas.


Does it read as it reads? Does it mean that religious people are less likely to fuck anyone to make a buck? Since when? And where?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 08:48 | 1451197 King Durian
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I believe so. In the macro sense of things, a society just tends to be more honest with their dealings when religion is involved. Key example: moneychangers in Malaysia adhere to not making riba when they change their money. Consequently, their rates are moral, lets say. They do it because they believe Allah told them not to charge riba. If that system of thought were not in place, well, there would be little stopping them from charging 5-10% to change money. The only remotely scientific thing I can claim as some evidence of this is the collapse of the Soviet Union. Morality plummeted after the collapse, and levels of selfishness and generally trickery increased when the iron curtain collapsed but the religious imperative was not reintroduced. So yes, I see religion as a stabilizer of societies, it keeps the ball rolling, and it keeps the world turning.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:18 | 1451279 LFMayor
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+1 very well said.  Morality is what keeps the inner animal locked up safely.  When the cage is open, that's when smokestacks get built in order to dispose of undesireables,  or worse.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:33 | 1451985 AnAnonymous
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Morality is what keeps the inner animal locked up safely. 


Quite a shame to imply on a Chinese thread that morality and religion are the same thing.

Religion is no guarantee of morality. Religions are not even moral themselves so what?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:24 | 1451919 AnAnonymous
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Ah, if this is belief. People are free to believe anything. Including there is a superior entity watching over them and scrutinizing their actions.

Does not make it real though. Beliefs are not facts.


What collapsed with the USSR is the social structure. Religious people outside a social structure has no record to be more moral than non religious people. The comparison is moot since the environment was not the same. In Malaysia, the structures are set. After the Soviet Union, the structure had collapsed.

Comparing a policed social order and unpoliced social order and one can draw any wrong belief one wants from it.

US world order.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 06:52 | 1455319 bakken
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Fa Lun Gong?  It hasn't gone out of existence, it is just very deeply underground.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:48 | 1451627 TSA gropee
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I just returned from two weeks in China, 3rd trip this year and went from Shanghai to Taian and I saw tsukato types almost daily. Self centered, infantile egomaniacs, whose worth is measured by their portfolio and station in life and whose disgust for less fortunate countrymen is only eclipsed by their disgust of foreigners, especially Americans.

As I see it, his color metaphor laced rants are indicative of someone who's insecure about the merits of his own arguments, hence the need to begin and lace his posts with grade school name calling.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 01:33 | 1450622 slewie the pi-rat
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Submitted by Tim Staermose of Sovereign Man

i'm waiting to see if the author transforms into simon black

some kinda smuggling involved?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:11 | 1450657 reader2010
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The China Reform Monitor reports the following:

Behind a thick wall of green shrubs, iron rails and monitoring cameras sits Chongqing’s “Internet special zone,” a 10 square km island in central China free from the Great Firewall, Internet monitors and restrictions. Foreign companies Singapore Pacific Telecom, Hewlett Packard, Cisco, and other IT firms have already expressed interest in carrying out offshore digital businesses in the designated area, which is located within the Liangjiang development zone. The special zone is for authorized admittance only and Chinese employees undergo strict inspections. Nanfang Zhoumo (Southern Weekend) broke the news but was quickly ordered to remove the online version. Several news outlets including the Apple Daily reran the story. (English translation)

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:26 | 1450683 Bindar Dundat
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I was in QC last April and saw first hand what they are doing.  

Closing smokestacks and moving villages into the 21st Century.  

They are master planners....I like what they are doing.



Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:01 | 1450872 Jacks Creation
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Is it the peasant land seizures you like best? Or is it the bit where they 'disappear' people who expose the corrupt practices and connections between local officials and private Developers?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:30 | 1450699 AldousHuxley
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23 Things They Don't Tell You About Capitalism

Thing 1: free market doesn't exist;  NAFTA is 1000s pages long when free market should make it just 1 page. free market means child labor. etc.

Intellectuals are leading the new paradigm

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 02:49 | 1450757 dogbreath
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went to my favorite itaian grocery store the other day to give some feedback.  The sunflower rye bread i bought a few days earlier was sliced to thick for its style.  Throw this loaf at someone and there will be bruising.  I ended up talking to a youngish baker who leases the bakery of the store.  He quit school at 16 and and owns apartment buildings and rental houses.  smart young capitalist this guy.  what the fucck is child labor but the apprenticeship to give these people skills.   life is work.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 06:04 | 1450876 Jacks Creation
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I for one, am convinced by the wheat based argument you have presented here.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 16:35 | 1453465 AldousHuxley
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With that logic, how much would you sell your daughter for? I have ex-IMF director interested in a one night stand. he will teach her what kind of work her life will be.


Idiot. How does putting high IQ children to flip houses to make a quick buck instead of developing and giving support to develop a cure for diseases we may need one day benefit us?


If you like child labor, go move to north korea. They have children born in prison camps who don't even have a concept of choice.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 23:47 | 1454957 dogbreath
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wtf.  all i said was here is a guy who quit school and went to work and is now a very successful dude.  Life is work.   i guess he could have gone to university and wraked up a fat student debt for the bankers.  

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 23:48 | 1454961 dogbreath
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wtf.  all i said was here is a guy who quit school and went to work and is now a very successful dude.  Life is work.   i guess he could have gone to university and wraked up a fat student debt for the bankers.  

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