Guest Post: Could Basel III Create A Floor For Sovereign Debt Prices?

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Tue, 06/14/2011 - 12:58 | 1368055 SheepDog-One
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There are regulators that need to be appeased? What?

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 12:59 | 1368067 Greeny
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"McKinsey estimates the liquidity shortfall of meeting this requirement is ~$800billion."

So? Bernank will need additional liquidity pumping

in the "system" near 1 trillion $. QE3?

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 14:11 | 1368278 SheepDog-One
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Then what?

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:09 | 1368092 zaknick
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Funny money shell game.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:26 | 1368095 hedgeless_horseman
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Darth Geithner: And the banks, they are still buying treasuries eventhough QE is ending?
Nute Gunray: The bids have... disappeared, my Lord. One Dagong report got past the blockade.
Darth Geithner: [snarls] I want those auctions bid!
Nute Gunray: M-my lord, it-it's impossible to locate buyers. The U.S. is now out of the banks' risk profile.
Darth Geithner: Not for a Sith. This is my new LCR requirement, a part of Basil III. It will create your lost treasury bids.
Nute Gunray: This is getting out of hand! Now there are three of them!
Rune Haako: We should have not made this bargain.
Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:12 | 1368096 swissinv
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Another try to find a bullish reason to buy CCC treasuries. Banks outside the US with lower inflation will rather deposit the cash at 0% at the national bank than going into this experiment... Apart from that there are also good quality gov. bonds available like "Deutsche Bundesanleihen" or SGS.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:11 | 1368097 dasein211
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Bullshit. This isn't going to be implemented until2015! The house is on fire NOW! Even if they want to move to liquid assets the default of soverign and US debt is a very realistic event. Even if you wanted to add liquidity the FORM that takes is in question right now. Whats the dollar or the Euro or treasuries going to be worth in two years. Even in a deflation if you can't pay your debt the debt instrument will be worthless and no one will want to deposit that turd in their banking toilets. We all know where the safe long term haven is right now no matter how many times they extend and rig the markets. Math is a bitch.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:21 | 1368121 oogs66
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2015?  If it doesn't suit the banks it will be pushed back another couple of years anyways.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 14:09 | 1368283 SheepDog-One
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Yes the house is burning to the ground, but no problem theres word a tiny firetruck driven by 2 spider monkeys will show up 4 years from now!

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:11 | 1368098 Sean7k
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So, we're talking about tying up additional capital in US debt instruments? Debt that is defaulting? Or, is this just a deal to absorb Japanese and Chinese bond sales? 

Europe is talking about reducing Basel III capital requirements because their banks are not able to meet the new standards, but US banks won't?

They just suspended the derivative market requirements from DonginFwank, but they will require these?

I won't hold my breath. 

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:17 | 1368109 ping
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So, can anyone recommend a good, basic Swiss Bank account? I sure as hell don't want my money here. 

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:20 | 1368117 swissinv
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Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:47 | 1368199 ping
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Thanks swissinv, I'll take a look!

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:26 | 1368132 cm44888
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This is old news and poorly reasoned
Banks are unlikely to buy govt debt outright to meet the LCR (too much duration risk and no desire to hedge in case they might need to sell quickly)

Maybe they will reverse repo govt debt for short term. This won't suppress yields

Most likely they will hold cash at central banks.

Nobody wants to own that toxic sovereign stuff

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:24 | 1368137 narnia
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Any argument that the market floor for sovereign debt is greater than zero long term... is not based in reality.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:27 | 1368148 archfool
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The Bernank has outsmarted us again! Currently FedR buys 70% of treasuries.... this new move will create demand for treasuries. Banks will start loading up now to meet 2015 deadlines for "on hand liquidity" HOWEVER... in the NEXT systemic crash... what then happens to price of treasuries? In a Major Banking Event, you WANT treauries to keep stable as a "safe haven" They cannot be a safe haven if everybody sells en masse to CYA. BOOM... treasuries implode instantly. THAT is how the Treasury Bubble will implode. Holy Shit. They've been PLANNING to pop the bubble!

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:32 | 1368153 fbrothers
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And Treasuries will be worthless.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:35 | 1368161 Everybodys All ...
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Really incredible ... create you own demand through legislation and tell everyone it's about making the banks more stable.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:39 | 1368189 hedgeless_horseman
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The Force is strong with you.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:38 | 1368180 Peak Everything
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snake eating tail

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 19:26 | 1369319 Poor Grogman
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That's why they pay these guys the big bucks.

PHDs in Ponzinomics and Sleight of hand.

Unlike those pesky inedible metals, the new form of ponzi wealth is unlimited.

Everyone a millionaire, gotta love that ponzi....

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:45 | 1368204 oogs66
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The governments and the banks have never done a good job estimating liquidity.  More importantly, if they all hold the same 'liquid' assets and all need to sell them at the same time, what are the chances they will be so 'liquid' at the time?  About zero.

Then in the meantime, banks will find some way to create the riskiest investment possible that still meets the legal definitions of the liquidity requirement and that is all they will own.

AAA CMO's did not invent themselves.  They got created because they were the cheapest AAA paper out there and risk departments viewed them as very safe and very liquid so banks and others could build massive positions. 


Even if these rules ever get implemented, they will likely fail to work when finally required.


Tue, 06/14/2011 - 13:48 | 1368214 JLee2027
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Wouldn't this demand only be temporary? 500 billion of treasuries...the Government prints that in a couple months.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 15:23 | 1368607 AldoHux_IV
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Sounds more like me that capital and risk-- especially relating to liquid/safe assets are grossly mispriced and understood by Dodd-Frank, regulators, and banks.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 15:48 | 1368695 youngandhealthy
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Hahahaha....its hilarious. No one can take this seriously...Basel III is 2019 and hybrids are still being allowed. PDs R trying to lure people in and buying 10s at ridiculous prices

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 16:12 | 1368799 dcb
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well we all know sovreigns carry zero risk.

I hate when they do stupid stuff like this. that is one of the ain problems with the system is a "risk free rate". that does not exist!!!

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 16:17 | 1368809 dcb
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oh, I think the next potential s and P short is about 1325!!

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 16:16 | 1368816 ivana
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no f... way.

You need Basel MCMVXIII for that

Anyway any of Basels don't apply for TBTFs, correct?

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 16:50 | 1368963 Cthonic
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Could someone explicate how in the world these ad hoc Basel agreements gain the force (or color) of law in U.S. jurisdiction without a ratified treaty and or why no Fed member banks complain about such arbitrary regulator discretion in adopting the same?

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 22:11 | 1369707 gillimus
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Because it's crap.  Imagine all your friends from college getting together and having a party.  There is no DD so you all agree not to drink too much, and write up a contract that states you will all be sober in 4 years.  In the meantime, kegs are tapped and shots are shat and someone drives into a tree.  But hey, you agreed to get your shit together in 2015, so it's all good.

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