Guest Post: The Countdown To Sovereign Debt Write-offs Has Started

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Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:48 | 1375139 FreeNewEnergy
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Haircunts, bitchaz!

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:49 | 1375141 falak pema
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Germany is driving the "hair cut " train. If ECB decides to accept this stance, the train will move down this more realistic road. The ECB will supervise contagion risk. The apparent backing of the FED to this German plan now makes the plan the realistic route to go. 

Kudos to RM for having told us this at ZH....Let's see how this plays out. The linch-pin for avoiding EU meltdown is Spain...

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:51 | 1375145 monopoly
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Looks like stagflation to me. The worst of both possible worlds. Until inflation kicks in and roars like the Harley Palin was on. Embarrassing.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:48 | 1375148 monopoly
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This is like a very slow death. Scary.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:51 | 1375149 Andrew Jackson ...
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Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:52 | 1375151 Quintus
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In other words, the losses suffered by the banks as a result of this proposed debt write-down will be made good by their respective Central Banks handing them more free money.  This is just re-organising the deckchairs on the Titanic.  Instead of, lets say, Greece owing Deutsche Bank €1bn, the Greek debt will be written off and replaced by the ECB handing Deutsche Bank €1bn to compensate them.  How does this help lower overall indebtedness?  It's just Global debt monetisation, basically.  Hyperinflation bitchez.
Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:00 | 1375182 pazmaker
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+1000 Quintus

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:49 | 1375153 TheGoodDoctor
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QEIII for the European banks again?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:50 | 1375156 Andrew Jackson ...
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Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:53 | 1375166 monopoly
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If I were long stocks here, any stocks, good ones too, I would be very nervous now.

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Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:20 | 1375240 fonestar
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If I were long stocks I would be drooling on myself watching CNBC.  Not reading posts on ZH!

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1375170 bankonzhongguo
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Well, I'm hearing some Greek lawyers and parliamentarians are seeking to subpoena GS, Paulson, and Blankfein with the intent to jail these guys on the former $25 billion.

Who would of thought the Greeks would do the job of the Irish?

Again, none of this will be heard on CNBC.

Surround the IMF on Greek territory and just suspend debt payments until someone goes to jail.  Meanwhile, expect to not borrow again - except from China.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:59 | 1375175 TruthInSunshine
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Mr. Margin is giddy with anticipation. There are still many good assets to seize to offset so much leveraged ugliness.

Mr. Margin loves downhill skiing.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:00 | 1375180 Mediocritas
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As was posted up on ZH earlier, the required eurodollar reserves to deal with marking Greece to market are already in the system thanks to QE2.

This train is ready to roll. All aboard!

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:05 | 1375201 TruthInSunshine
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Oh, Maximus, you should see the Coliseum!

We will tour, soon; first Greece, then on to Ireland, Portugal, Spain & Italy.

And only Zeus knows where to from there, yet again!

For our journey is just about to begin, Maximus!

Let us raise our chalices, and toast to the splendor of the mess Bernankopolous has made of global economies and finance, where we will freely pillage and plunder!

For by this time next year, we will be Kings, eating and drinking from gold vessels!

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:05 | 1375190 hambone
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Speaking of "write offs" - seems nows a good time to write off all those who bought any Pandora or LinkedIn ever making a profit on that one...the trashing is on!

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:09 | 1375205 hedgeless_horseman
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Don't forget GM!  On its way to ultimate support at $0 AGAIN!!!

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:08 | 1375216 hambone
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IPO crashapolooza!!!  The spectator event of the summer!

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:49 | 1375792 Armando Javier ...
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Pandora's box has been opened and she has an ugly box

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:13 | 1375217 treasurefish
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The question posed by the author if the IMF is prepared to do it's own restructuring sounds odd to me. (Later edit: I may have misread it, but I'll keep the questions open). I guess everyone has their masters. What exactly does it mean for the IMF to default?  SDRs become worthless?  Is that when we all go back to the gold standard?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:14 | 1375231 carbonmutant
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Greeks need to start breaking some glass if they want the money...

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:17 | 1375247 gwar5
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The PIIGS are dead! Long live the PIIGS!

 

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:20 | 1375262 TruthInSunshine
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I still haven't found a truly catchy acronym that captures the full essence.

PIIGS+UK+US

PIIGSUKUS?

USPIIGSUK?

What about China & Japan? How am I going to work those in?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:33 | 1375292 treasurefish
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(J)esus (C)hrist! (U) PIIGS (S)UK!

 

- Essence captured? Check.

- Catchy? Check.

I hereby coin.  Feel free to add France wherever you deem fit.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:40 | 1375361 TruthInSunshine
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France!

I forgot about France, too!

scheißen!!!

 

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:46 | 1375365 treasurefish
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Simpler:  JC! FUK-US-PIIGS!!

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:23 | 1375260 Which is worse ...
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The ECB will have to be bailed out itself if Greece delivers a haircut.

When means the NY Fed bails out the ECB.

TIMMMMAAYYYY!!!!!!!!

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:26 | 1375275 1inchRacker
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Zero Hedge, thanks for great articles such as these.

I live in France, and if I didn't have access to analysis such as this to counterbalance the BS we're fed in mainstream...they take a story, skim off 5% to look at, twist that to fit this or that slant and what you're left with is nothing short of downright lies. Thank you once again.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:42 | 1375339 spanish inquisition
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The options are defauting like Iceland and rebuilding in 5 years or becoming a slave for the next 20. Will it work?

“Iceland should be humble and avoid advising other countries, especially when it comes to banking,” Sigfusson said. “What happened was an emergency situation which couldn’t be avoided.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-15/greece-ireland-can-t-default-like-iceland.html

What it means is "Fuck yeah, do it!..(I just can't say so, otherwise they will invade our ass.)"

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:41 | 1375363 slewie the pi-rat
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i will take a number...

...ok, USA goes 9th. 

just wait till our turn?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 15:02 | 1375437 Roger Knights
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You can't bail out the Titanic.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:52 | 1375389 gorillaonyourback
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1 quadrillion of derivatives, dat gonna sting

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 18:39 | 1376049 Mad Cow
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As it goes *poof* into computer bit heaven.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 15:03 | 1375427 P-K4
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Good comprehensive article, well written.

"So if a bank took 100 million of 2 year bonds, and exchanged them for 80 million of 10 year bonds, they would take a write off of 20 million"  poses two questions: wouldn't the CDS costs be different for 10 year bonds ... and who expects Greece to remain in the EU ten years from now let alone two years from now?

I can see many of the restructured bonds making their way into American pension plans courtesy of Frank-Dodd (i.e. providing cover). It'll be called the "Build Europe" bond with interest rates subsidized by the IMF.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:13 | 1375688 TheProphet
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Well, even if they could get CDS protection on the bonds, the ECB will not allow them to use the bonds as collateral.

 

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 15:25 | 1375533 Commander Cody
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If Greece default is not such a big deal, then why is it such a big deal?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 15:37 | 1375589 XitSam
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Q: Why are all these negotiations done behind closed doors?

A: If the serfs knew what was going on, the hangings would begin tomorrow.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:43 | 1375770 taraxias
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Oh sure, everything is contained, just print some more CB money, hand it to the banks and everything will be okay.

What a crock of shit !!!!!

It's derivatives baby, derivatives, trillions and trillions of them. Deal with that......

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 17:00 | 1375822 Jack Sheet
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Interesting perspective and worth posting but most of it appears to be speculation. Where are the author's sources ? Greek Deep Throat ? DSK's attorneys? Treeshay's secertary?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 19:05 | 1376112 oogs66
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sadly most things are just available on public sites and through some knowledge of credit, but the media has no interest in giving full details on what people said, except for ZH.  check some old zh and ransqwak headlines and you will see most of it. the rest is that some people did do credit for a living.  some posts here on nuclear power were amazing and correct, but were from different sources, because that was their area of expertise.  its why an open site like ZH blows away traditional news sources

 

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 17:16 | 1375865 swissinv
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fully agree - you speak out of my soul... a residual risk is still inherent though

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 17:37 | 1375912 YHC-FTSE
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Papandreou was a director at Goldman? It's not listed on his CV. That, I didn't know and it makes so much sense now why GS was instrumental in hiding Greek debts from budget overseers then charged hundreds of millions of euros for the work. He's also got 27 Billion dollars worth of CDS with IJ Partners to look forward to (If he isn't hung for treason), when he leaves office. 

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 18:07 | 1375977 Slipmeanother
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The USA and Wall St need to understand this: Europe continues to be the worlds leading economic and trade grouping having both the largest savings and political stability, It is the economic and trade group with the most multilateral experience. In addition thanks to the Euro the EU has the only real credible alternative reserve currency. The recent support and bi-lateral meetings with the BRICS countries has seen dollar to Euro diversification by the BRICS--headed by China. Without the Euro the BRICS would be condemned to suffer Washingstons unipolar world. So de-facto its the Euro which breached the Dollar wall, a breach that now the BRICS are enlarging using their wealth to stimulate the Euro as an alternative to the Dollar. No amount of BS spin from Wall St or the City of London can change the facts. Forget about the BS, the Euro is here to stay and the crisis has strengthened the EU institutions far quicker than would have been possible without it---watch and learn

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 20:54 | 1376315 Noah Vail
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Is that all? Anything else you'd care to add to your prepared and oft repeated remarks?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 21:31 | 1376378 Buck Johnson
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We truly don't know how much debt they are in trouble with.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 22:14 | 1376458 zippy_uk
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Argentina 2001 = Greece (EU?) 2011

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1721103.stm

 

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 22:25 | 1376480 Wolf in the Wilds
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With respect to CDS,  I think the DTCC data is incomplete.  The key is CDS done before the Big Bang event in 2009.  BIS data indicated that there were Eur41b exposure to Greece sitting in the US.  And the bulk of the exposure is indirect (ie through credit derivatives).  I believe that these exposures were created pre-crisis through credit CDO products that were placed to US investors during 2005-2007.  These generally have a maturity of 5-7years making them mature during the next 2-3years.  This will pose a problem for a voluntary extension of maturity.  The banks who sold these CDOs will be holding bonds against it.  If these bonds are extended, then the risk attached to the bonds will no longer be hedged as the derivatives expire.  Eur41b is not a small sum.  It represent 16% of the debt outside Greece.  Without this participation, I cannot see how a voluntary debt exchange can work.

 

http://viewfromthewilds.blogspot.com/2011/06/voluntary-restructuring-of-...

 

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 00:30 | 1376706 Tjemme
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Great article!
(*) I agree that the term 'private sector participation' has probably enabled a political discussion of default. And ECB insistence that a default is unacceptable has probably created the time to properly prepare for a default.
(*) But I am not fully persuaded by the other comments:
- The IMF insisted on a guaranteed one-year financing. This suggests that they may not participate if European governments only want a few months delay. But, yes, IMF is unlikely to be spoilsport.
- I think the main problem for the ECB is that they don't want to have defaulted securities as collateral. Restructuring into higher-grade debt needs to accompany a default.
- Most banks can handle defaults? Perhaps most European banks can handle a default of the Greek government, but regulatory exclusion of sovereign exposure from concentration risk leaves the Greek banks vulnerable. Indeed, their capital flight suggests that they need a parachute sooner. To avoid a Lehman, banks need to demonstrably handle defaults of Greek banks as well. Perhaps a 'stress test', just for Greece?
- Contagion risk handled by a bigger plan? I am not sure politicians are ready for this. I personally think contagion risk (at least as described by the ECB) is primarily a (hopefully manageable) investor issue. If Europe can't even avoid a small Greek default, investors realise Portugal and Ireland also need to stand on their own feet. Yes, rating agencies are known to be slow, but if Greece can, at this time, still cause downgrades of French banks, it is clear that we need as much preparation time / clarity as possible.
- Greek politics. one interpretation of 'tough conditions' is that Greece urgently needs to make some major changes. This requires maximal pressure and Greek political support.
- CDS. Some people suggest that only CDS only has a notional of EUR 5bn. I agree with Wolf that this exposure may well be bigger (http://streetlightblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/betting-on-pigs.html).

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 07:30 | 1379903 JohnsonSmith
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