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The Dangers of a Failed Presidency

By Michael Krieger, of KAM LP

If moderation is a fault then indifference is a crime.

-Jack Kerouac

Virtue is persecuted more by the wicked than it is loved by the good.


Having fallen from the eternal, the Evil One's desires are endless, insatiable. Having fallen from pure Being, he is driven by the desire to possess, to fill his emptiness. But the problem is insoluble, always. He is compelled to have and to hold, to possess and consume, and nothing else. All he takes, he destroys. Certainly he rules the material, as he is called the Prince of this World in the gospels - but only of the things of this world.

-Denis de Rougemont


I have been calling Barrack Obama’s Presidency a failure for at least six months now and it seems that I now have considerable company in this assessment as it becomes obvious to most.  It is not a failure because of the Republicans.  It is not a failure because of events beyond his control.  It is a failure because this was a man that filled a depressed and downtrodden nation with the audacity of hope.  When I voted for the man I knew it was against my personal financial interests.  It was clear what he would do with taxes.  Nevertheless, I got to the polls and voted for this fifth avenue creation thinking maybe, just maybe he might do some of the things he said.  Most important to me were two issues related to the military-industrial complex (see Eisenhower’s warning on this during his Farewell Address and civil liberties.  George W Bush was turning America into a depressed police state with perpetual war and consolidation of power between a corporate oligarchy and entrenched political class.  A nation where the masses voluntarily gave up many of the liberties the founding fathers fought for merely to ease the fear that consumed them and which was propagated by the administration and the media.  I and many others that voted for him even though they disagreed strongly with his economic policies thought he would at least reverse this trend.  Why did we think this?  Cause he said so.  How foolish we were. 

That being said, the real answer was certainly not John McCain as I think we would be in just as bad shape with him.  I think that what this experience has taught us is that the President of the United States answers to others behind the scene.  There are many theories on who these others are but I will keep it very simple.  There is clearly a power elite that consists of a union between big corporate and financial oligarchs and career bureaucrats in Washington D.C.  These are the folks that pull the strings of all administrations.  All you have to do is look at the trends that have been in place since George W Bush and continue under Obama to see what these players want.  Bigger government and thus more Federal power, more wealth for the oligarchs (thank you Federal Reserve) and an erosion of the middle class, and reduction of civil liberties in the name of the 1984-like never-ending “war on terror.”  I believe in a war on terror of my own.  A war against the terror that Washington D.C. is constantly trying to inject into your head so that you sheepishly give away all you rights and power to them.  That’s my war on terror. 

Ok, so what do I mean by “The Dangers of a Failed Presidency.”  I mean that it is July of an election year and Obama’s magic spell that held sway over the American people and the world for about three months has completely washed away.  I mean that the printed money mirage recovery that we have had to tragically watch is ending and we have no job growth to speak of other than a few hundred thousand census workers.  The public has no appetite for more spending and Bernanke has no cover to print more money (yet).  As such, if people think things are in freefall now for this administration just wait and see how the next several months pan out.  This then brings me to the following quote:

The bottom line here is that Americans don’t believe in President Obama’s leadership,” says Rob Shapiro, another former Clinton official and a supporter of Mr Obama. “He has to find some way between now and November of demonstrating that he is a leader who can command confidence and, short of a 9/11 event or an Oklahoma City bombing, I can’t think of how he could do that.”

I found this quote in an FT article earlier in the week and it sent chills all over my body.  This is how the strategists in Washington D.C. think.  They are sick, twisted people.  This guy doesn’t even realize how sick and twisted what he said is which is why he said it.  Imagine what they say off the record!  You can take this quote in many different ways but none of them are good.  I am not going to say anything beyond the fact that I would be VERY suspicious if some sort of event occurred before the elections.  Google the term “false flag.”  Also remember Rahm Emmanuel’s famous quote of  “you don’t ever want a crisis to go to waste; it’s an opportunity to do important things that you would otherwise avoid.”  Think about this deeply.  This doesn’t mean do what the public wants, or follow the constitution.  It means that that those pulling the strings of power have the opportunity to do what THEY want, what fits THEIR ideology.  Hitler is the most famous modern example of a leader that used a crisis to form his fascist state.  Again, I am not talking about Obama in isolation.  I am referring to the power structure that has been firmly in place since the 9/11 attacks.  Many call it a silent coup.  I agree with this assessment. 

This email is not meant to create fear.  It is actually meant to get people ready if things get crazy for whatever reason.  It is a challenge to people.  I challenge everyone to think about how they would react should another terrorist attack or something along those lines occur.  I was there for 9/11 and I saw the buildings go down in person.  I know what it was like to be manipulated by my own government and media in the wake of such an emotional trauma.  I also see that what we have done since, with things such as the Patriot Act and two wars that are still ongoing, and I have reflected on how they have changed America for the worse and provided a fertile ground for the elite to take away more of our rights and our wealth.  So my rallying cry is that we must be strong and fearless in the face of fearful events.  In the wake of anything that may occur in the years ahead we must not react on emotion and NEVER give away our inalienable rights in the name of protection from big brother.  Be fearless, strong and resolute.  Spend more time with your neighbors and build things up at the local level.  If we have those supports then we will be less inclined to cry to the magicians in D.C. and the Federal Reserve for “help.”



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Thu, 07/15/2010 - 12:33 | 471224 B9K9
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B9K9's Law:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a suggestion involving lack of knowledge by the power-elite approaches 1.

Riddle me this: how does a widely-known slacker of questionable intelligence and proven lack of track record in leadership experience become president of the USA? (Note that this question is applicable to both Bush & Hussein.)

In spite of their corrupt natures, I'm beginning to come to admire both Nixon & Clinton because both of them had what it took to reach the top. (Not least of which, they are certainly the two presidents with the highest IQs.) Sure, they were/are mean SOBs, but compared to our last two failed presidents, I'm not sure which is preferable.

Hussein was put in place as a fall guy - it is a measure of his utter cluelessness that Barry accepted such a position. He is the perfect foil: First, he led the way to assist the banker class to unload their toxic assets onto the public @ the highest possible prices long after the market top. Second, he is now leading the way to ensure a Republican sweep which will implement "austerity" as a means of collapsing property prices via deflation. Once that is accomplished, the bailed out bankers sitting on $trillions of our cash will be able to buy back all remaining assets for pennies on the dollar.

This tragic-comedy farce will only come to an end when the "strong-man" appears on the horizon. If you look closely into the faint distance, you might be able to detect/discern a slight disturbance. He is coming - we will know he has arrived when default/repudiation is placed front & center as the #1 priority of the country.

Until then, it's all theatrics as we dance to our doom.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 12:35 | 471240 Rusty Shorts
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That about sums it up !!

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 15:50 | 471896 Yophat
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Except for the overwhelming ignorance.....Eisenhower was a turd and his comments drip with heavy hypocrisy- Google Operation Keelhaul....and then read "Body of Secrets" by James Banford.....and then read "The Politician" by Robert Welch.

Of course one does need to be truly ignorant to vote for a CIA welp like Obama.....or his predecessor Bush jr (CIA also known as Bush & Co - go back to Allen Dulles/Prescott Bush at BBH)....or the CIA's money launderer Billy Bob Clinton of Mena, AK fame.....or George Sr (Operation Zapata otherwise known as Bay of Pigs, the take out of JFK - smash CIA/Bush into thousand pieces comment, Iran/Contra, attempt of Reagan - Hinckley/Bush family bond).....etc etc


Thu, 07/15/2010 - 16:04 | 471958 Shylockracy
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Fri, 07/16/2010 - 05:34 | 473037 Oh regional Indian
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Hey ZHers, plesae stop by and help... spread quickly if you feel called...



Thu, 07/15/2010 - 16:34 | 472036 bigkahuna
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The reason I like this site is that absolutely nothing slides and no one gets a pass. There is too much MSM BS out there--so it is good you are keeping it real Yophat.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 19:24 | 472496 nabi
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Good post, but Mena is in Arkansas, not Alaska...

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 23:30 | 472864 Instant Karma
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What the fuck is this? A 4000 word Jew hating tirade posted in response to an article about the loss of the Republic to Washington bureaucrats?

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 23:36 | 472868 Rusty Shorts
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Yeah, some guy named Mel Gibstein replied to it.,2587.0.html


Fri, 07/16/2010 - 04:48 | 473020 jeff montanye
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i can take a limited amount of jew (fill in the blank) hating in an otherwise informative comment, but someone who thinks 5,000 pounds in 1492 is worth 50,000 today is beyond hope (2,000,000 to 20,000,000 is closer).  

p.s. i'm as disappointed in obama as most who voted for him but would it be too much to ask that his first name "barack" be spelled correctly in the post?  though his website spell check still rejects his first and last names.  his is, to date, unquestionably a failed presidency and a horrible, horrible extension of the "worst ever" bush administration.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 06:04 | 473043 Bear
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Let's just use his given name ... Barry

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 06:44 | 473050 Freewheelin Franklin
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I prefer calling him "Obummer". Because his presidency has turned out to be one big  bummer, Dude.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 07:27 | 473056 nmewn
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"Let's just use his given name ... Barry"


Why not Barry Soetoro? The man has been conflicted all his life, no wonder he can't make proper decisions...ROTFL.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 03:30 | 491562 Rusty Shorts
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Fri, 07/16/2010 - 02:55 | 472978 Johnny Bravo
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Thu, 07/15/2010 - 12:44 | 471276 ElvisDog
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I would also add that once all the debt has been transferred to the public, that's when interest rates will mysteriously rise. We, the sheeple, will be on the hook for paying 8-10% (or more) interest on trillions in debt to the elite. It's a perfect recipe for Feudalism 2.0

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:15 | 471363 Bananamerican
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for any who happen by this point that remain confused as to the relative merits of our recent amerikan CIC's....

George w Shitstick the 2nd=Mega FAIL

Chocolate Jesus Flipside shitstick the 1st= EPIC FAIL

...neither of whom i voted for.

You CAN judge a people/culture by its institutions/candidates....

what the fuck happened to US if it wasn't Corporate DNA replacing that which the founders passed on.?


Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:11 | 471387 poorold
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Your scenario has been playing out repeatedly for decades.


Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:12 | 471388 poorold
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Your scenario has been playing out repeatedly for decades.


Thu, 07/15/2010 - 12:59 | 471351 chindit13
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Later day brightest, perhaps, but the US was lucky enough to have Jefferson, Monroe and Lincoln at just the right time.  When I look towards 2012 and I see the likes of Sarah Palin, I think the gods are making the US more of a joke than it is making of itself.

As part of a previous government job long long ago, I had the chance to sit down and speak with Nixon for an hour.  I did not like him going into my meeting.  I left astonished by his intelligence.  Guess we are all a mix of good and bad.

I agree that times like these usually lead to a miscreant strong man ( I added the miscreant part), but there may be a few people out there who could do the right job absent the strong man baggage.  Replacement Senator Kaufman seems to be such a man.  Current US Ambassador to China (Huntsman) is bright, practical, already sinfully rich, and might deserve the benefit of the doubt as one who could also do the job well.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:03 | 471371 JLee2027
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Good post.

Lincoln did not appear on the radar until war was inevitable.  Have faith....peril lays ahead but we will prevail.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:39 | 471482 WaterWings
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Lincoln was a racist mass-murderer:

I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

He was perfect for the job of proving that the centralized Federal Gov't is more important than the People and their right to consent to be governed or not. Who fought and died in the Civil War? Not the slaveowners! Same game as always: power and control.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:51 | 471534 merehuman
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WW   Well said and to the point

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 22:03 | 472748 dark pools of soros
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Slavez Bitcheszz!

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 05:08 | 473029 jeff montanye
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racist lincoln may have been (or not) but he did nudge the slaves toward a greater freedom than the slave owners appeared to be doing.  a lot of comments here apparently require an unearthly perfection to be satisfied.  much of life is judging darker and lighter shades of grey.  pick soon before the only color on offer is the dark pool of soros.  

senator kaufman does appear much better than his colleagues (maybe they all should not expect reelection; seems to improve much).  many of ron paul's ideas seem appealing.  who else?

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 07:47 | 473064 pan-the-ist
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I agree with you about Kaufman.  To go with him we'd need a strong behind the scenes figure to keep the elite/CIA in check.  That person is more important then the president.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:58 | 471559 Ripped Chunk
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+ !!

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:19 | 471650 tamboo
Fri, 07/16/2010 - 00:21 | 472909 Rusty Shorts
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+1 un-junk.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:58 | 471771 JLee2027
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I guess saying something basic and positive about America and it's best President brought all the loons and their hatred out.  Sorry people.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 15:53 | 471862 WaterWings
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A racist mass-murderer was America's best President? You've got the loon/hatred thing all wrong. What you were taught in public schools was incomplete; many times an outright lie. YOU are the kind of people that let history roll over you, tsunami after tsunami.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 16:12 | 471972 jimcg
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Let the serfs believe that Government does no wrong, lest they refuse to do it's biddings.

Yes, Lincoln was a true American hero, he saved the Union by gutting the Constitution and paving the road towards the Civil War, killing 700,000 Americans. Yes, he also cared dearly for the slaves. LOL.


Thu, 07/15/2010 - 16:48 | 472097 trav7777
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Who cares about the fucking slaves?  They should have all been repatriated to Africa

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 16:54 | 472131 Cathartes Aura
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dejunking you *here* and *above* WWings!

skool-book history is taught to children in order to shape a point-of-view that supports the nationstate's agenda, no more. . . the schooling mandate is to train citizens - works the same in every nationstate, hence the conflicting historical "perspectives". . .

amrkns would do well to read history as told from different "national's" perspectives. . . but, at minimum, to learn the truths of how amrka came to be, and continues to "be" in the world. . .

time to upgrade that "freedom" meme.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 02:55 | 472976 Johnny Bravo
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And yet when schools try to do this sort of thing, conservatives cry that the "liberals are brainwashing our children."

There are various forms of history taught, especially in higher education, that examine things from a Native American, or woman, or Black viewpoint.

Yet, if it isn't "the founding fathers were Christians, and Jesus created the world in six days" it's liberal.

What really concerns me is the effort made by some on the right *cough, Beck cough* to completely rewrite history for an audience of people who don't know their asses from their elbows.  
I mean really, how fucking retarded would you have to be to actually believe Glenn Beck?  Really fucking retarded.  And these people vote.
28% of the populace CAN be wrong.  Again, and again, and again.

It's all emotion versus rationality.  Being rational is how you make decisions in a world where everybody has an agenda, and nobody tells the whole truth.  Yet, some people look for reasons to support their opinions, instead of basing their opinions on reason.

I cry for America sometimes. (figuratively)

Tue, 07/27/2010 - 15:40 | 490833 Cathartes Aura
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when I was at University, I really wanted to study "history" but every class was taught from a "this war was fought / won in this year" format - all that was needed was to memorise the dates in order. . .

I found it was easier to take "social" history classes - told from the points of view of "other'd" peoples you mention above - the original peoples, women, blacks, etc. - the most valuable perspective for total awareness I've yet come across.

couldn't agree more about the shouty men's idiotbox infortainers. . . can spot their memes a mile away, infecting people's "opinions" like the common cold. . .

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 20:24 | 472574 chindit13
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I'm going to keep Lincoln as a man to admire, despite what you feel is the reality.  History has so few real heroes, I'd like to retain one or two.  David Faraday is another, as is Nicola Tesla.  Also kind of like Franz Lizst and Somerset Maugham, plus Mark Twain's incredibly clever humor.  Don't see anyone today I admire;  don't even know if the world still allows it.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 00:18 | 472906 Rusty Shorts
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Journalism In Tennessee

I was told by the physician that a Southern climate would improve my health, and so I went down to Tennessee, and got a berth on the Morning Glory and Johnson County War-Whoop as associate editor.

..."Blathersville wants a Nicholson pavement--it wants a jail and a poorhouse more. The idea of a pavement in a one-horse town composed of two gin-mills, a blacksmith shop, and that mustard-plaster of a newspaper, the Daily Hurrah! The crawling insect, Buckner, who edits the Hurrah, is braying about his business with his customary imbecility, and imagining that he is talking sense."


About this time a brick came through the window with a splintering crash, and gave me a considerable of a jolt in the back. I moved out of range --I began to feel in the way.

The chief said, "That was the Colonel, likely. I've been expecting him for two days. He will be up now right away."

He was correct. The Colonel appeared in the door a moment afterward with a dragoon revolver in his hand.

He said, "Sir, have I the honor of addressing the poltroon who edits this mangy sheet?"

"You have. Be seated, sir. Be careful of the chair, one of its legs is gone. I believe I have the honor of addressing the putrid liar, Colonel Blatherskite Tecumseh?"

"Right, Sir. I have a little account to settle with you. If you are at leisure we will begin."

"I have an article on the 'Encouraging Progress of Moral and Intellectual Development in America' to finish, but there is no hurry. Begin."

Both pistols rang out their fierce clamor at the same instant. The chief lost a lock of his hair, and the Colonel's bullet ended its career in the fleshy part of my thigh. The Colonel's left shoulder was clipped a little. They fired again. Both missed their men this time, but I got my share, a shot in the arm. At the third fire both gentlemen were wounded slightly, and I had a knuckle chipped. I then said, I believed I would go out and take a walk, as this was a private matter, and I had a delicacy about participating in it further. But both gentlemen begged me to keep my seat, and assured me that I was not in the way.

They then talked about the elections and the crops while they reloaded, and I fell to tying up my wounds. But presently they opened fire again with animation, and every shot took effect--but it is proper to remark that five out of the six fell to my share. The sixth one mortally wounded the Colonel, who remarked, with fine humor, that he would have to say good morning now, as he had business uptown. He then inquired the way to the undertaker's and left.


 - Mark Twain

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 23:01 | 472827 JLee2027
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A racist mass-murderer was America's best President? You've got the loon/hatred thing all wrong. What you were taught in public schools was incomplete; many times an outright lie. YOU are the kind of people that let history roll over you, tsunami after tsunami.

I went to a private Catholic school and a Jesuit college.  And I'm a Civil War buff.  Lincoln was no racist mass-murder.  

I'm not going to respond to you again, you are so not worth my time.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 00:04 | 472894 WaterWings
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Oh, so if you are so aware of economic tensions during that period then why would you support the false theory that slavery was the main cause for so many to give their lives? Why did Lincoln emancipate and proclamate so far into the war when the affected states no longer held allegiance to the hypocrites in the North? Surely you remember the foreign interests that eagerly awaited maximum bloodshed so that they might conquer the new nation in its darkest hour. Surely you agree that slavery was dying under its own weight as production was improved by actually paying for the work to be done. I am sure you appreciate the work of Howard Zinn and how he described the buffer classes that we see even today.

So many sent to slaughter. So many parallels for us to ponder. So sad that we take our masters' word for everything.

What do you think of the Russian fleets in support of the North in American harbors on both coasts? The English and banking interests ready to strike to show American Democracy as a failure? Surely the Northern boys didn't sincerely want to give their lives in the emancipation of the slaves, thousands of miles away. The Irish rioted against it; you remember the Draft Riots, don't you?

Too much brutality for so little to gain. Yet we lap it up and cry Freedom! How silly we must appear.

No racist? Those words are not his own? Was he not responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands? Eventual millions under the harsh Martial Law imposed on the South?

Racist comments. Millions in estimated deaths in an unnecessary conflict? I can put 2 and 2 together on my own - no need for a response.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:01 | 472980 Johnny Bravo
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Civil War in a nutshell:

The north was disproportionately taking revenue from the South, and redistributing it to the North.  South got pissed, South seceded.  Lincoln sought to reunite the union.  Who knows what his motives were.  He did say once that "If I could free the union without freeing a single slave, I'd do it, and if I could do it by freeing all the slaves, I'd do it."

Still, the South was morally wrong about slavery, etc, and that isn't even debatable in my opinion.
The North was wrong to economically screw the South again and again.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 05:25 | 473035 jeff montanye
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don't expect rationality from humans all the time ('too much brutality for too little gain'). check out the twentieth century, especially the run up and first year of ww1.  there's some real brutality for no apparent gain.  at least the civil war to free the slaves is a useful myth if not a 100% explanation (economic tensions had a big part too, among other causes).  buying the slaves would have been cheaper and saved lives but, like ww2 ending the depression, people (elites/corporations/proles/booboisie) spend more for war than for peace. 

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 09:06 | 473164 nmewn
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Johnny Bravo,

"Still, the South was morally wrong about slavery, etc, and that isn't even debatable in my opinion."

The North was wrong to economically screw the South again and again."

While we continue picking these scabs until they bleed again...let's lay it ALL out on the table. A couple of simple facts needs to be introduced into the discussion. Slaves were already here and no Confederate flag ever flew over a slave ship. I know these little trivialities infuriate the NE section of the country, but frankly my dear, I don't give a damn ;-)


"A list of the leading slave merchants is almost identical with a list of the region's prominent families: the Fanueils, Royalls, and Cabots of Massachusetts; the Wantons, Browns, and Champlins of Rhode Island; the Whipples of New Hampshire; the Eastons of Connecticut; Willing & Morris of Philadelphia. To this day, it's difficult to find an old North institution of any antiquity that isn't tainted by slavery. Ezra Stiles imported slaves while president of Yale. Six slave merchants served as mayor of Philadelphia. Even a liberal bastion like Brown University has the shameful blot on its escutcheon. It is named for the Brown brothers, Nicholas, John, Joseph, and Moses, manufacturers and traders who shipped salt, lumber, meat -- and slaves. And like many business families of the time, the Browns had indirect connections to slavery via rum distilling. John Brown, who paid half the cost of the college's first library, became the first Rhode Islander prosecuted under the federal Slave Trade Act of 1794 and had to forfeit his slave ship. Historical evidence also indicates that slaves were used at the family's candle factory in Providence, its ironworks in Scituate, and to build Brown's University Hall.[4]

Even after slavery was outlawed in the North, ships out of New England continued to carry thousands of Africans to the American South. Some 156,000 slaves were brought to the United States in the period 1801-08, almost all of them on ships that sailed from New England ports that had recently outlawed slavery. Rhode Island slavers alone imported an average of 6,400 Africans annually into the U.S. in the years 1805 and 1806. The financial base of New England's antebellum manufacturing boom was money it had made in shipping. And that shipping money was largely acquired directly or indirectly from slavery, whether by importing Africans to the Americas, transporting slave-grown cotton to England, or hauling Pennsylvania wheat and Rhode Island rum to the slave-labor colonies of the Caribbean.

Northerners profited from slavery in many ways, right up to the eve of the Civil War. The decline of slavery in the upper South is well documented, as is the sale of slaves from Virginia and Maryland to the cotton plantations of the Deep South. But someone had to get them there, and the U.S. coastal trade was firmly in Northern hands. William Lloyd Garrison made his first mark as an anti-slavery man by printing attacks on New England merchants who shipped slaves from Baltimore to New Orleans.

Long after the U.S. slave trade officially ended, the more extensive movement of Africans to Brazil and Cuba continued. The U.S. Navy never was assiduous in hunting down slave traders. The much larger British Navy was more aggressive, and it attempted a blockade of the slave coast of Africa, but the U.S. was one of the few nations that did not permit British patrols to search its vessels, so slave traders continuing to bring human cargo to Brazil and Cuba generally did so under the U.S. flag. They also did so in ships built for the purpose by Northern shipyards, in ventures financed by Northern manufacturers."

Morality indeed. Leave the Bubba's alone and we'll leave ya'll alone.

Sat, 07/17/2010 - 01:29 | 475055 Rusty Shorts
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  + 1 hoghead


"The abolitionists loved black people so much they wanted them to go far, far away. So did the slaveowners, who announced with no evidence at all that free blacks were "promoters of mischief." (I don't know what "mischief" means--maybe they TP'd those Gone With the Wind plantation houses.)

A group of rich white do-gooders including Francis Scott Key, who wrote "the Star Spangled Banner," got together to raise the money to send free blacks back to Africa. For them Key had a special version of the anthem: "Oh say can you see/the home of the brave? If so, you're standing too close/Go about 4000 miles southeast, to West Africaaaa."

Congress came through with a big grant and in 1819, a ship with 88 freed blacks and three white chaperons landed in that other success-story for re-planting blacks, Sierra Leone. After gassing up at Freetown, they headed down the coast to the promised land, Liberia.

Within three weeks of arriving at their new home, all three whites and 22 blacks died of fever. That's barely time to start naming things "free-" this and "free-that. "

Sat, 07/17/2010 - 22:54 | 475717 nmewn
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As if you haven't guessed by now my main beef is with tea sip snobs from the NE part of my country. Elitist's of the first order.

They are born in a cocoon, they are taught what they think they know in a cocoon. And they are dangerously ignorant while professing to be the smartest people on the planet.

It wasn't long ago, the early part of the last century, that their schools of higher learning taught and believed in eugenics. Hitler put a little kink in that thinking. However, it is my opinion they still harbor those beliefs under different guises.

Think about it.


Thu, 07/15/2010 - 18:21 | 472393 SRV - ES339
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JLee2027... and the "loons" are obviously quite context/nuance challenged.

Lincoln was clearly having fun, and boxing Douglas into a corner, with his remarks. He was ridiculing the Douglas position of new laws to entrench the inferior status of black slaves. Lincoln's remarks, while good fodder for the "loon" brigade, represented the racial "reality" of the day... neither America, or the slave population (dirt poor and illiterate) were anywhere near ready for full integration at the time.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 23:17 | 472843 Missing_Link
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Wait, so you're saying Lincoln WASN'T a horrific racist animal who freed the slaves because he secretly wanted to drink their blood in a satanic ritual?

Bah!  I don't believe you.

Next thing you know, you'll be telling us that 9/11 wasn't committed by the CIA and Mossad in conjunction with their alien masters from Tau Theti, or that our government isn't secretly run by bloodthirsty Jews who spend their free time twirling their moustaches, eating Palestinians, and tying attractive young women to railroad tracks.

I mean, srsly.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 00:06 | 472897's picture

Lincoln was clearly having fun


Here's Lincoln having a bit of fun at his inauguration:


"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 00:47 | 472932 UncleFester
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August 21, 1858, debate in Ottawa, Illinois with Stephan Douglas, where he said: "I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races.... I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position."

I'll take his word, you can take it as political manuevering.


Thu, 07/15/2010 - 15:46 | 471904 piceridu
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Do you think they ever refer to that speech in government controlled schools?

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:03 | 472981 Johnny Bravo
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Yes, but only in "advanced" classes or higher education.

Really dumb people don't get to hear stuff like that.  They can't even find California on a map.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 08:37 | 473114 nmewn
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Hey WW,

Looks like you have challenged the govmint edukation of the masses regarding Lincoln...12 junks...pretty impressive.

I bet if you told them he suspended the writ of habeas corpus for at least 13,000 probably more, arrested newspaper editors for engaging in freedom of the press, arresting former congressman (Vallandigham), arranged an arrest warrant for the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (Taney), among other stirring examples of his love of "liberty" they would go absolutely apoplectic...LOL.

And we have not even touched on that bit of Clintonian double speak called the Emancipation Proclamation ;-)

Junking commencing in 3...2...1



Fri, 07/16/2010 - 11:16 | 473446 WaterWings
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At least 12 people owe me their majestic insight as to why they disagree. I'll be fine without them, however, for the end is nigh, and those that tell the truth are rarely welcome anyway.

Watching Bruce Krasting's appearance on MSNBC with Ratigan last night was simultaneously pleasing and frustrating. We have Wendy butting out Bruce:

"We have to make something happen."

I know people are suffering out there, and feelings matter, but the parasites in gov't and the ones profiting off of the collapse of the USA frankly don't give a damn about you feelings, your suffering, or even your death. If they can profit off of your death they will, be absolutely sure of it. Where does that leave us? Sell everything you absolutely don't need, move in with family, grow your own food, and get ready because with 8,000,000 jobs that don't exist anymore you are wasting your time waiting for somebody other than you to make something happen. Wendy, and millions of others, need to wake up and take personal action! Now! Yesterday!

Revisiting history is just passing the time at this point. Collapse is upon us people - gov't will act as history has shown us: violent grasping to maintain control. Be sure of it and that your very life is at stake. Alarmist? Hell yes - square away your situation because there will be no one to comfort you - especially not the Federal gov't. What an abusive relationship we the People have experienced with the Feds. 

Thomas Jefferson: "I TOLD YOU SO!!"

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 23:48 | 472886 JR
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It is said by many that Lincoln was the father of our modern police state. Why?

It was Lincoln who issued an order for the arrest of Chief Justice Roger B.Taney for refusing to back him on the suspension of habeas corpus during his presidential reign.

It was Lincoln’s Army that put more than 10,000 civilians in federal prisons.

When it looked that Maryland, a Northern state, would secede, it was Lincoln who had its legislative body surrounded, and its lawmakers arrested and thrown into federal prison.

It was Lincoln’s Army that occupied the North’s Delaware to prevent it from discussing the issue of slavery under threat of bombardment.

During Lincoln’s presidency, 630,000 Americans, North and South, were killed.

It was Lincoln who disallowed states their right to secede—several who only had agreed   to become a part of the union on the right of secession—and thus, thereby, denied states any real rights and made them slaves to the central government.

What, then, was the real reason for Lincoln's war?  It was money: “Let the South go? Where, then, shall we get our revenue?” Once it became clear that the South, paying a massive proportion of national revenue, would secede and become a low-tax region with low tariffs at its ports and a challenge to New York City and other Northern ports and that Washington could not collect taxes at Charleston and other Southern ports, war was in the air.

That is the primary reason the South wanted to withdraw from the union: that is the primary reason the North said no

Here is how Charles Adams sorts the seeds for Abe’s War in  “When in the Course of Human Events”:

“The high tariff in the North compelled the Southern states to pay tribute to the North either in taxes or in the inflated prices that had to be paid for Northern goods.  Besides being unfair, this violated the uniformity command of the Constitution by having the South pay an undue portion of the national revenue, which was expended more in the North than in the South; when some of the compromise tariffs of the 1830s and 1840s are analyzed, the total revenue was around $107.5 million, with the South paying about $90 million and the North $17.5 million.

“These are round number, but they also coincide with export numbers.  In 1860, total exports from the South totaled $214 million, and from the North around $47 million.  In both instances, the percentage for the South (taxes and exports) was approximately 87 percent and 17 percent for the North.

“To add further salt to the wounds of the South on matters of revenue, fishing bounties for New Englanders were approximately $13 million, paid from the national treasury, hence 83 percent from the South.  And with a monopoly of shipping from Southern ports, the South paid Northern shipping $36 million.  So the numbers show that the South’s claim to be, in effect, paying tribute to the North had a basis.”

Lincoln, in his quest for “united we stand,” destroyed habeas corpus, used troops against northern states such as Delaware and Maryland, and denied freedom of speech and states’ rights by force. He jailed pastors, newspapermen and citizens. He refused to negotiate peace and in the end he overthrew the Founders’ decentralized, limited government.  .

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 07:07 | 473048 zhandax
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JR, you nailed it, but even you failed to call it what it really was.  The Civil War was about pressing the Federalist agenda i.e. increasing the power of the federal government at the expense of the Republic form of government which was the defining and differentiating feature of the American experiment and what kept us alive for the first 75 years.  It has ever since been thus; hence, the post which started this discussion.   If reduced to the most fundamental levels, this (the unconstitutional assertion of federal over Republic principles) is the raison d'être for almost every other post on this amazing collection of intellect we call ZH.

That is what was stolen from us almost 150 years ago.

Sat, 07/17/2010 - 01:55 | 475081 Rusty Shorts
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Thank you JR

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 23:50 | 474980 Island_Dweller
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Lincoln did not appear on the radar until war was inevitable.  Have faith....peril lays ahead but we will prevail.

Do yourself a favor and learn some history.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:22 | 471405 B9K9
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I'm impressed. Even though my father never spoke to Nixon personally, he was only one of 5 people who knew his code word for you-know-what. But boy did he dislike Nixon; still he reserved his unbridled hate for Bush I. (As part of the CIA/NSA nexus, my dad knew all about Bush I when he was head of the CIA.)

As to a potential strong-man to finally break it to Americans that we are going to have to deal with this issue head-on, at the risk of revealing my somewhat conventional nature, I tend to think of Petraeus.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:15 | 471632 SWRichmond
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Bush I was attached to Reagan like a lamprey, and after the assassination attempt Reagan was pushed aside.  The agenda has been virogously pursued ever since.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 20:14 | 472560 CIABS
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i would like to know the exact method by which bush senior was attached, or most likely attached himself, to reagan.  who spoke to whom?  what threats were made?  how did they coerce reagan into it?

running mates are often imposed on nominees.  truman was probably imposed on FDR, and very likely FDR was then assassinated.  he would not have used atomic bombs on anyone, and he was trying to work things out with stalin, which he might well have done and which is what they feared.  then truman, a total puppet, created the CIA, passed the disastrous national security legislation, launched the cold war and the arms race, and so on.  easily one of our worst presidents ever.

consider these instances, and maybe a pattern emerges:  nixon in 1952.  LBJ in 1960.  agnew in 1968.  ford (named vp) in 1973.  rockefeller (named vp) in 1974.  bush senior in 1980.  ferraro in 1984.  (quayle was not imposed, he was meant as a prophylactic against assassination.)  lieberman in 2000.  cheney in 2000.  edwards in 2004 (all set up for blackmail).  palin in 2008.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 23:04 | 472832 Mark McGoldrick
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prophylactic against assassination

Classic.  That is god-damn hilarious. 

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 23:26 | 472859 Missing_Link
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consider these instances, and maybe a pattern emerges:  nixon in 1952.  LBJ in 1960.  agnew in 1968.  ford (named vp) in 1973.  rockefeller (named vp) in 1974.  bush senior in 1980.  ferraro in 1984.  (quayle was not imposed, he was meant as a prophylactic against assassination.)  lieberman in 2000.  cheney in 2000.  edwards in 2004 (all set up for blackmail).  palin in 2008.

Absolute utter nonsense and stupid paranoid bilge.  How can you even type this garbage without your brain imploding from the utterly obvious nonsensical nature of what you're writing?

No, no pattern unless you're completely self-delusional (which, alas, some of the ZH commenters clearly are).

Think about it.  Sarah Palin imposed on John McCain?  No, no, no, no, no.  If someone wanted to impose a running mate on McCain, they'd have imposed someone who wouldn't be a complete deadweight and political liability.


Because if they had, they'd have realized that Sarah Palin is a completely shallow candidate and a huge liability to anyone she runs with.

If there are secret manipulators behind the scenes picking everyone's running mates, they have to have a HELL of a lot better sense than to go picking Palin.

Only John McCain could possibly have chosen that relatively-good-looking lady for his running mate, for obvious reasons.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 02:28 | 472969 palmereldritch
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Palin is idiot insurance for Obama's re-election in 2012:

Insuring enough idiots will vote for an idiot or siphon off enough votes from a third party to preserve the re-election of a slick grifter.

You denigrate conspiracists at the expense of insulting the real puppet masters.  A little imagination and plenty of skepticism could show you how the real world works: well in advance of cognition with purpose for profit.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:10 | 472988 Johnny Bravo
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Did it ever occur to you that Obama was SUPPOSED to win?

Think about it.  All the sudden, 500 billion dollars gets pulled from the markets one day and the economy crashes.  This happens at the same time Obama is sure to win the election.  Also, Palin was the gee golly VP also.

I think that once the GOP (and the powers behind them) knew that Obama was a lock (since they fucked up so bad) they did their best to ensure he would get elected and take most of the blame for their policies of failure.
(Well, they failed the country.  They didn't really fail at looting it, which was their plan.)

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 18:29 | 474613 CIABS
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Johnny (#472988): you got all that right.

Link (#472859): your dim view of palin is certainly correct, but let's see how she does in 2012.

there has been some talk here about who the strongman will be to follow obama. i would start with the republican hierarchy. cheney: not with his poor health. jeb bush: did someone say "bush"? petraeus: 2012 would be a quick transition. gates: might remain secdef for as long as he wants to. other than palin, am i forgetting anyone? they will give her a cheney-equivalent running mate (here gates has to be considered), and she'll be the presidential spokesmodel, like the current one and his predecessor, and arguably the one before as well. like a lot of them, in fact.

so, for the record, a tentative longshot prediction: the 2012 GOP ticket: palin and gates.

Sun, 07/18/2010 - 11:52 | 476037 Brindle702
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Palin - McChrystal

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 15:14 | 471829 hbjork1
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I agree.  Track records matter.  Clinton was very popular in Ark. but was known to have trouble "keeping his pants zipped up" but there he was "protected".  Because he was intelligent, humanistic and energic he probably got propositioned more than once.  Given Monica's reported allegded statements to her California friend, he might have been propositioned for the infamous event in the White House.  But, lonely or not, he should have known better. 

Bush had a National Guard contract with a flying training assignment but, if I believe the blogs, he "wimped out"(my term) and didn't complete the flight training.  I thought that should have been fun.  He allegdedly began political activities instead. 

As President, when he had a war to deal with, he let Rumsfeld and Chaney handle it.  

We all tend to repeat our patterns, even when we should know better.  

Petreus is back in Afganstan now, doing his duty, after being away from home for years in Iraq. His intellectual qualifications are a matter of record.

My Navy career stepson, who has done the half "Iron Man" a few times says that Petreus has a reputation for "smoking" everybody in this kind of event as well.


Thu, 07/15/2010 - 15:49 | 471914 Yophat
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Just begging for that iron fist to come down....

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 16:09 | 471967 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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I agree with your assertion re Petraeus. The Afghan-Iraq-Pakistan mess is an unwinable debacle. He can't get promoted any higher, so his next action would be to run for the presidency. Warmongers would vote for him, so will the anyone-but-Barry folks. This is the 'strongman' model that will finish off the remains of the republic.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 17:12 | 472206 Cathartes Aura
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agree with your post, and those above referred to. . .

the "Afghan-Iraq-Pakistan mess is an unwinable debacle" does allow those-who-will-qualify-for-continuance-of-government-placeholders to test their new crowd-control toys though:

The Active Denial System (ADS) is a non-lethal weapon designed to disperse violent crowds and repel enemies.

"Active Denial System" - lmfao - you couldn't make this shit up. . .

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 20:08 | 472550 NullShrub
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Perhaps my tin hat may be useful after all!  Seriously though, there are many conventional means of defense and offense that come to mind on a device with a range of 500 meters.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 00:32 | 472921 Papasmurf
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Same system they used on American citizens in Pittsburgh last year.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 17:27 | 472248 laughing_swordfish
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You've got to be kidding.

This four-star has been a toady to TWO Administrations, always being depended upon to say just the right things that TPTB want to hear about two failed wars.

What we NEED is a re-incarnated Douglas MacArthur - someone LARGER than life thanks to his accomplishments on real fields of battle - In MacArthur's case, think the Phillipines, overseeing the Japanese surrender and occupation, and then the brilliant stroke at Inchon in Korea - something that all the experts said "couldn't be done" but was.

Think we'd be suffering a "Dear Leader" today if Mac had gotten his way with the war?

The real reason Truman fired MacArthur was that a victorious MacArthur would have been an unbeatable Republican candidate in 1952.

Instead, the "firing" paved the way for Eisenhower - a man, that ironically, both Mac and Truman hated passionately. Ike was, in many respects, the "Petraeus" of his day, and widely disliked as such.

I do think that the likely U.S. "Strongman" will come from the military - but it won't be Petraeus, and most likely not McChrystal.

We just don't know who he is yet.


KrvtKpt. Laughing swordfish

DKM Trading Division

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 20:43 | 472612 New_Meat
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Dude, get it right:

"something that all the experts said "couldn't be done" but was."

I think that all the experts had PhD's in Economics, they didn't talk to the experts, the by-God Gator Navy and the FMF.  O.P. Smith, Puller, and the lash-up did a fricken' miracle, rebuilding 1 MARDIV 'board ship and figuring out how to destroy Seoul the first time (along with a mess of DPRK)

Think we'd be suffering a "Dear Leader" today if Mac had gotten his way with the war?

Think that the Korean peninsula, Taiwan, and Japan wouldn't be under PRC control if Truman hadn't fired Dougout Doug?


     We asked for the doggies to come to Tulagi,

     But Douglas MacArthur said NO!,

     When asked for the reason:

     "It isn't the seanson,

     besides, you have no USO!"

You should know the rest...


I seriously doubt the "strongman" argument with the general officer corps of today.  There are fighters among them, sometimes more junior (classmates), more senior under current selection rules, not so much.  Not like Regan with Don Starry, Al Gray, Art Cebrowski and all.  Warriors.

So, no, Dugout Doug was not the guy, and civilian control of the military was maintained by the Pendergast machine pol who got that one right.  Along with some other decisions he made.

- Ned




Thu, 07/15/2010 - 23:30 | 472862 Missing_Link
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This four-star has been a toady to TWO Administrations, always being depended upon to say just the right things that TPTB want to hear about two failed wars.


Two failed wars?  What?

We've already won in Iraq.  War's winding down.  Saddam's gone, Ba'ath party gone, insurgency whittled down to a nub.

Sorry you didn't get the memo.  WE WON.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:18 | 472991 Johnny Bravo
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What did we win?

Nothing.  That's what.  I mean really.  What IS winning anyway?  Spending 2 trillion dollars that doesn't benefit anybody?

And, if we won, why the fuck are we still there, spending 454 million a day?
The only people who won in the war on terror is Al Qaeda. 

OBL always said his goals were to bankrupt the US.  Wow.  What a great job he did.
We went from having surpluses and a roaring economy to... well, you know how the economy and government budgets are now.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 04:52 | 473024 Yippie21
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Winning is kicking Hussien's ass; he and his murderous sons rein of terror on that country and neighbors OVER.  No more UN-bullcrap no-fly zones endangering our pilots and costing us millions.  There is an end in sight now... not before.  Of course, you're probably one that ends every argument with ..  none of our business.... then... it's the Jew's fault....  oh yeah, and I'm not even an American and I never vote.  Got it.  Enjoy your mental BDS and letting others live in the real world while you talk bullshit.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 23:31 | 472863 Missing_Link
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double post

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 07:38 | 473062 God
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I left astonished by his intelligence. Guess we are all a mix of good and bad.

Proving you never really know a man until you know a man.

Many of the opinions herein are the resultant vector of years of manipulation by the media. This manipulation shows the student how ineffectual the office of Commander-and-Chief really is.

"If you don't do as we say we will destroy you, if you challenge us directly we will Gibsonize you". --AIPAC lobbyist

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:21 | 471423 aurum
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I really don't think their plan is to drive home prices down further for repurchase at later date. What happens to all the derivatives in that scenario that are currently hidden by the lack of FAS 157? They can't let that happen. They will prop until the end until the fiat system implodes.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 22:02 | 472746 BrosMacManus
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You got it.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:50 | 471513 fiddler_on_the_roof
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excellent - you read my mind. Austerity here we come to destroy you.

it would be good if you refrain from using "Hussein", because you would be unknowingly implicating muslims for Obama's current situation. He is just a Barry.

The (Tea) Party is being led to undesired places. Look how they supported the wolf in sheeps  clothes - Mr Brown from Massachussetts. Even bright people from Mass(highest Education in US) can be fooled.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 16:05 | 471959 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Yes--the same bright people of Mass. who keep electing Bawney Fwank.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 20:11 | 472555 NullShrub
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And Ted Kennedy.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 20:46 | 472618 New_Meat
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Dang, don't we get to do that any more?  Maybe go after SanFranNan next?  Harry's son won't use his last name. 

Line 'em up and knock 'em down

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 22:04 | 472749 BrosMacManus
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J Kerry-Heinz....

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 16:20 | 471996 ATG
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Barry Soetero then?

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:18 | 471645 Miss Expectations
Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:27 | 471671 Brutlstrudl
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Can't wait to meet the guy waiting in the wings.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:31 | 471683 Brutlstrudl
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Just show mw the damn birth certificate and I'll shut the hell up

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:22 | 472993 Johnny Bravo
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Do a damn google search.  You'll find it in 20 seconds or less.

God people are lazy. has at least 20 pictures of his birth certificate, and the announcements from the Hawaii newspapers when he was born, etc, etc.

And yet, there will still be some mouth breathing mongoloid fucking retard saying... "Dernh... wasn't he born in Kenya?"

I mean, there are enough of his policies to disagree with.  Pick one and stick to it.  
Why look like a goddamn fucking retard by saying stuff like "Derrrnhhh... he's a Muslim from Africa."

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 16:13 | 471976 ATG
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Will Petraus betray us because Stan the Man did not go into Iran?

Seriously, when a President is toast, every appearance sends the Dow down further...

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 16:15 | 471980 CIABS
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B9K9:  pretty good chance that things will play out as you describe with obama, and almost certainly that scenario was intended by some of those who cooperated in putting him in power.  i have to wonder whether they cooperated with others who had different intentions, namely that obama would implement more liberal policies.  many people think his policies are very liberal, but i don't.  your scenario leads to republican tyranny that goes well beyond bush/cheney conditions.  this might be why there seems to have been a willingness to trash the stock market before bush left office.  hank paulson might well have been the point man for the operation.  i wonder whether there was hostility toward the bush family involved, since the stock crash ended up being one of the biggest reasons that americans might refuse to give any more votes to members of the bush family.  i don't assume that cheney has ever been well-intentioned toward the bushes, given his and rumsfeld's power struggle with bush senior during the ford years.  there's a story behind cheney becoming W's running mate, and i think i know part of it.

as for nixon and clinton, they had whatever it took to get to the top, but what was that in each case?  how did nixon get on the ticket with eisenhower in 1952?  that was quick.  it started in 1945 when he got a job in the brooklyn navy yard dealing with cargo logs.  he learned a lot about illicit trafficking of various sorts and seems to have taken the information, directly or indirectly, to allen dulles.

i have a small amount of admiration for nixon because he was beginning to abandon the agenda that had been given to him, which is why he was removed.  this was done by (here's that name again) the dulles network, although dulles had recently died and the network was in flux.  if you study real history, you find the same names popping up all the time.

clinton?  he studied with carroll quigley, became a rhodes scholar, spent some time in the USSR, attended (better to say "infiltrated" or "spied on") anti-war demonstrations in england.  yale law, arkansas (governed by winthrop rockefeller during 1967-1970), mena airport, etc., etc.  he had some dirt on bush senior in 1992, which is probably why clinton survived the campaign.

presidents to admire?  FDR and JFK for sure.  i think eisenhower wanted to be a good president, but they had him blackmailed all along and dictated policy to him (including who his running mate would be).  like nixon later, he tried to be a peacemaker late in his presidency, but the usual suspects sabotaged him with the U-2 incident, which was not as it is described in the grade-school history books.  eisenhower's farewell address was a parting shot.  it was veiled in the form of a warning, but what he warned about had come true long before.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 21:58 | 472739 Janice
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Until then, it's all theatrics as we dance to our doom.

Billy Idol

So let's sink another drink
'Cause it'll give me time to think
If I had the chance
I'd ask the world to dance
And I'll be dancing with myself

Oh dancing with myself
Oh dancing with myself
Well there's nothing to lose
And there's nothing to prove
I'll be dancing with myself

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 02:45 | 472973 Johnny Bravo
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First, do you know who the president with the highest IQ was?  Obviously not.
It is well documented that it was Jimmy Carter.

We all know what kind of job he did, although arguably, his economic policies strengthened the dollar immensely.

So, you can't necessarily say that high IQs translate to high results.

Next, to compare the IQ of Obama with Bush is like comparing apples and oranges.
Bush failed at pretty much everything he ever did.  He ran a flipping baseball team into the ground, after running oil companies into the ground, after barely passing at Yale, etc.  At least Obama was first in his class, and a constitutional law professor.  While he hasn't run businesses and stuff like that, at least he didn't outright fail at running businesses and then hide behind being a "MBA president."

I'm not saying that Obama is great, or that he is the answer.  Still, you have to consider things I said here.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:10 | 472987 KevinB
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Proven lack of leadership? Bush ran for, and won, the governor of Texas position twice, and was governor of one of the largest states for six years.

I have plenty of criticism for Bush's policies, and his response to 9/11, as the OP noted. But to compare Bush's prep for president - a number of private sector jobs, six years as a governor - compared to Will Smith's few months as a state senator, and his accidental elevation to the Senate where he votes "Present" is ridiculous.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:24 | 472994 Johnny Bravo
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Yeah, except that Bush ran every company he ever worked for into the ground and sucked balls in the private sector.

Every company he ran failed.  The Texas Rangers failed with him at the helm.  Guy's retarded, which I hate to say because I kind of like him as a person.
His policies suck though.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 04:58 | 473025 Yippie21
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AGain... JB, BDS!!  The Texas Rangers failed with Bush at the helm??  He was a minority owner ( by a large margin) but the public managing partner of the group.  I live here next door to the freakin' baseball park and have for 20 years ... voted for GWB everytime (figures... right?) and you just don't know what you speak of.  You are clearly a biased BDS-posting ninconpoop.  Bush did our State right, did an honorable job for most of his 2 terms as POTUS, failing badly in the second term under the relentless pressure of NON STOP back stabbing by the left and the dems.  The GOP didn't help when they controlled the Congress.... put us into much of the mess we enjoy today!  yeah!

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:52 | 471537 barkingbill
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only in very narrow propagandized eyes. the bush family destroyed this country building on the false reagan revolution. obama is just the icing on the cake. 

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 00:39 | 472927 Papasmurf
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More like a turd on your shoe.  Plenty is gonna stick and it smells.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:58 | 471557 YourAverageDebtSlave
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Here’s my take on this article.  The president represents the people who elected him.  I think sites like ZH and a few others attract people who are smarter and more read than the average American.  I think the average American votes based off of warm fuzzies, does not do their due diligence in researching the candidate, and would probably rather watch an episode of Dancing with the Stars than research military industrial complex or how the Corporatocracy got to power. 


Even people I speak to who consider themselves well read, usually get their information from the media propaganda machine (ie. CNBC, Fox News, MSNBC, etc.).  They don’t know about false flags mean, or the theories surrounding Peak Oil, or Skull and Bones or even how money is created out of thin air. 

When I was a teenager, my dad would always tell me, that with freedom came responsibility.  To me it seems the average citizen is an infant and has shirked the responsibility of being involved in the political process and being well informed on the issues that affect their lives.  Since when in America did we start viewing the government as Santa Claus?  Why have we given the government the responsibility of taking care of us?  Was that the role laid out for it in the Constitution?  Is it any wonder, that our freedoms are being stripped away while most blindly turn away.

A long time ago, I gave up trying to talk to average Americans about what is really going on.  No one seems to care.  Sure they whine about Obama, the economy, etc. but try to tell them about what is really going on behind the scenes and they tune out.  From my vantage point, most Americans are fools.  If you don’t believe me try taking the issues that come up on ZH and discussing them the next time you are in line at the grocery store or waiting in the doctor’s office.  Most likely you will get a blank stare.  Obama is the king of fools and America like every other empire in history is on its way toward failure.

I’ve stopped visiting sites like these as much.  I’ve given up the notion that there’s a chance that America will turn things around.  I’ve accepted the fact that sooner or later, I along with most citizens will be fucked.  I’m starting to expect the next World War in the next 3-18 months depending on when America or Israel decides to invade Iran.  In the meantime I just live for the moment and try to make the most of it.


Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:32 | 471689 kennard
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People are smarter than you think.

Don't give up.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:51 | 471731 SMG
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He's right. If you give up and and don't try and do anything, they've neutralized you.  If enough people find out the truth about the aristocracy pulling all the strings, there is hope. Certainly a worthy cause to devote a life to.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 15:32 | 471860 koaj
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the Founders were only a small percentage of colonial americans. our enemy today is greater but the people have awoken. its taken a while but we are here. from what i hear, 2010 mid term elections will make 1994 look like a rounding error. moreso, if the GOP congress doesnt put the kaibosh on almost everything, there will be people even further to the right willing to take their place in 2012.


the states will begin to nullify federal laws and statutes after AZ wins the illegals lawsuit against the Feds. the 10th amendment is the last check against unstopped federal power. it hasnt been used yet

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 17:26 | 472246 Cathartes Aura
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there will be people even further to the right willing to take their place in 2012.

oh. joy. can't. wait.


Fri, 07/16/2010 - 01:03 | 472937 UncleFester
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Yeah the Right will set us straight, it's all the Left's fault.  Yawn....

Same playbook every 2-4 yrs.  When is everyone gonna recognize?  The Left is the Right, different flavors for sure, but it's all ice cream (or is it ass-cream?).

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 06:32 | 473045 Bear
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Such cogent commentary places you in the ZH Hall of Fame. Uncle Festus, you have lived up to your name.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:55 | 471761 SilverIsKing
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You are 100% correct.  I do think people are slowly wising up but the majority still gets their news at 11 from their local station.  They equate the economy with the stock market and have no interest in the reailty of the situation.  The fact that Krieger voted for Obama n the first place puts some of the blame squarely on his shoulders although McCain wasn't a steller choice.  I recall intelligent colleagues telling me that they were planning on voting for Obama and when I asked why, given everything that was coming out of his mouth, the response often was, "he won't really do that."

You can't blame Obama as much as those who voted for him.  If you did any research, you knew what you were getting and he's been true to form.  Horrendous!

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 17:01 | 472154 trav7777
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again with the two-party false dilemma.  Boxed-in, pigeonholed minds.

People voted for Obama to absolve themselves of the 80 years of race guilt the Tribe's racebaiting machine has fed them.

That is so pervasive, just look around you.  You see knockdown dragouts over being called "racist."  People fear it.  That's how all-encompassing this thing is.  The machine was big enough, using its cousins who own all the major studios, to push through movies suggesting that YOU are the cretin. 

They can wave a black candidate around and get people to salivate to the bell over it.  Just to try to prove a negative!

Eazy E and the JDL built gangsta rap.  You're being played for fools by dual citizens who basically despise you.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 22:42 | 472798 BrosMacManus
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When the system gives you choices like Bush v Gore, Bush v Kerry and Barry v McCain, many that took the time to vote (like myself) vote for what they perceive to be the less bad choice. Dem v Rep, a false choice, but the only one we've got at the moment.   

How do you fight back against a corrupt system, except by aligning yourself with a limited gubmint platform? This has been framed as a culture war, and our one issue voters lap it up. Even here on ZH, instead of it being an ideological battle between right and left, it's a battle between the tyrannical oligarchs/m-i complex versus the cannon fodder, or Chumba and his crowd blaming it all on those evil Jooooooooooz....The Tea Party is a move in the right direction because its been grassroots up to now, but if they allow themselves to be co-opted by the Reps, and put up Palin for anything but as an attack dog RNC chair to roll back the creeping commies/anarchists, more epic fail/reset coming.

Le-a (le-dash-a), cuz the dash don't be silent.


Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:27 | 472996 Johnny Bravo
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 "I think sites like ZH and a few others attract people who are smarter and more read than the average American"

Some of the people here are.  Some of the people are tin foil hat conspiracy theorists and morons too.
"Goled to 50000, cause armageddon is coming, dog!"

I'd say half the people here are the smartest people on Earth, and half the people are the dumbest people I've ever talked to.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:05 | 471600 bigdumbnugly
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"Why did we think this?  Cause he said so.  How foolish we were."

Who's "we," krieger?

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 17:05 | 472173 Shortbus Bully
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I thought it was pretty obvious from the context, he was talking about Obama voters like himself.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:34 | 471669 Mercury
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Close ZP. Bush may have been a failure but there is no "failure" now.  This guy is getting exactly what he voted for and Obama's presidency is going just swimmingly.  All the man has ever wanted to do is destroy everything that has made the U.S. special and exceptional compared to every other country in the world (I'm not even sure he wants to end up in a place where there even are sovereign countries.) That's all he's ever talked about, worked toward or sought from a laundry list of radical personal heroes and mentors.  It's all there in his books and writings and he's always been perfectly open about it.  Why the surprise?  Things probably aren't moving along quite as swiftly as The One would like but we're pretty much right on track.  Are we supposed to all be stunned as hell her  that another smarty-pants rich liberal who never did his fucking homework is feeling a bit disillusioned?  Thanks asshole but it's a little too late for navel-gazing.  I'd say "better luck next time" but there isn't going to be a next time. Obama won't just be the worst president, he will be the last.

It's over.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:30 | 472997 Johnny Bravo
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Next on Rush Limbaugh... fuck Obama.  Followed by Fuck Obama.  Followed by the Barack the Magic Negro song... followed by Fuck Obama.

Mega Dittos Mercury!

*hits chest, bites at ear*

At least try not to sound like you just parrot bullshit from right wing propaganda networks.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 06:39 | 473049 Bear
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Wow, we now have our own Sara Palin (attack dog of the RNC) ... are you one of the smartest or dumerest people in the world?

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 07:58 | 473071 ZeroPower
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Indeed, interesting thoughts Mercury.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 15:22 | 471844 caconhma
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Obama presidency did NOT fail.

Obama goal is to destroy the USA by

  • Enhancing the ruling oligarchy
  • Impoverishing US populous
  • Debasing US$
  • Eliminating still existing $ functioning free-market sectors of the US economy
  • Getting away with the US Constitution and the rule of Law

Obama  and his administrations have made an enormous progress in advancing and reaching almost ALL their goals and objectives.

A comparison of Obama and GWB is just unfair. Marxist Obama is much more dangerous.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 15:49 | 471915 SamuelMaverick
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Thu, 07/15/2010 - 17:12 | 472201 trav7777
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I agree.  Bama is incredibly dangerous.  Because, like a crocodile, the racist!! label lurks just under the water to destroy anyone who objects to the fucking color of his suit.

He's the ultimate teflon trojan horse.  There are at least 3 or 4 incredibly well-funded advocacy groups, essentially run by people with cousins as the heads of the major banks, forming a familial nepotistic interlocking directorate with the Fed, private finance, and all the major "respected" media, who will straight up destroy you.  In an adjacent cube, I see some rag with a big headline "Is the Tea Party Racist???"  It's goddamned everywhere like the Sword of Damocles prepared to come down on ANY threat to the status quo or ANY assemblage of critical mass of caucasians.

Meanwhile media holds as paragons groups with average IQs of 85 and homicide rates 10x baseline.

Unless the monoethnic interlocking directorate is broken apart, this will all lead to a very dark place.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 01:12 | 472941 SheHunter
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....Bama is incredibly dangerous. Because, like a crocodile, the racist!! label lurks just under the water to destroy anyone who objects to the fucking color of his suit.....


OM F-ing G.  Educated guess:  you are a caucasian male over 50 years of age who has been "happily" married to the same woman for 30 of those years.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 08:27 | 473044 Shylockracy
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"Unless the monoethnic interlocking directorate is broken apart, this will all lead to a very dark place."

Are you citing some late 19th Century text -in which context the line makes sense- or just being optimistic about the present? </irony off>

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 22:25 | 472775 DoChenRollingBearing
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My two cents.

Obama is an odd mixture of Marxist and Wall Street dupe.  I do not think those contradict.  Wasn't it some rich guy who said that once you are already rich it is better to keep others from becoming rich too?  (as in getting better seats at high end restaurants, cheaper European sports cars, etc.).

I have bought kind of a lot of gold and have an investment in a decent company (family owned business) outside the USA if I/we decide to leave.

If I stay, and they try to take me or my money away, I always have Mr. Kalashnikov and Mr. Beretta on my team. 

"There are more of us than there are of them."

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:32 | 472998 Johnny Bravo
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Do you really think that those are his goals?  Are you high?

I don't think Bush planned to be inept like he was.  He was just retarded.
Likewise, Obama isn't failing on purpose either.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 20:48 | 472621 Inspector Asset
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Sucks to be you.

I cant say that I wasnt fooled myself.

When I heard him spoke as a senator of Illinois, I reall liked him.

But when I found out that GS was his main backer, I was done,



Fri, 07/16/2010 - 07:58 | 473074 ZeroPower
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Yup, that was the best tell

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 12:13 | 471173 Let them all fail
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I agree, its too early to use that term, though it certainly appears to be heading that way, which is disappointing since it sounds like I had the same hopes as the author above...foolish me I guess, if only there were still a "new world" to inhabit (though preferably without the destroying of a people and culture in the process per the USA way...)

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 12:43 | 471275 Miss Expectations
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Clearly, it's going to take more than an airport strip search to convice you.  Why is that?

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:46 | 471506 Let them all fail
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simply a technicality, obviously he will miss expectations by a long shot...I think he needs to take up smoking weed again, might help him see things more clearly

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 15:09 | 471816 Goldust
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Everyone who voted for this fraud Obama is a fool, delusional, or both.  His personal history foreshadowed his failed presidency and you ignored it.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 22:37 | 472792 DoChenRollingBearing
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His history, his friends and his cover-ups were ALL out there for anyone to see.

- Rev. Wright

- Bill Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn (& Chicago politics)

- Most liberal voting record in the Senate

- Covering up his birth certificate, college records, Pakistan trip, etc.

- Barrons big money poll chose him as the next likely President before the primaries began


It was all out there in the open.  Fools!  But, if it makes you fools feel better, McCain would have been bad too.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 23:14 | 472842 BrosMacManus
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Soon as I heard about 20 years in Rev Wright's church, gobbling up Black Lib Satan worship, I knew this is what we'd get. That, and being in the same party as San Fran kind of abomination is third in line to the "highest" office in the land, when her constituents are the fucks at the Folsom Street Fair?



Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:34 | 473001 Johnny Bravo
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Where do you people come from?

I've never even seen you before, and there you are spouting off stupid shit.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 21:28 | 474776 BrosMacManus
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How's this?


Fuck you JB. Who gives a FUCK whether you've seen me here before, douchebag? Punk school lib, talking as if you're more intelligent, enlightened, educated, world wise, when in reality, the world is gonna eat yo ass up.


Fri, 07/16/2010 - 00:32 | 472922 uraniuman
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Looking around, one can see there are plenty of people stupid enough to have voted for Obama. What I find amazing, is how many of them are here on this site - I thought this was where the smart people congregated.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:35 | 473002 Johnny Bravo
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"I buy physical goled, because when it gets to 50000 an ounce next year, we should have a zerohedge convention.  The United States is Zimbabwe.  Fiat currency is to wipe your ass with.  GOLED BITCHEZ!!!!"

Smart indeed.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 12:19 | 471192 BlackBelt
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He served 2 terms because he stole an election...exactly the behavior this article is alluding to.  Remember folks...the US is the longest continuously running government on earth.  Revolutions happen for a reason... 

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 12:41 | 471266 CIABS
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"an" election? they (not he) stole at least three big ones, recalling a certain minnesota mishap.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 03:37 | 473004 Johnny Bravo
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How is Al Franken getting more votes than that douche Coleman "stealing the election?"

It isn't like he got LESS votes, like Bush did.

Fri, 07/16/2010 - 17:34 | 474504 CIABS
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JB:  i was referring to wellstone and the 2002 senate shift.

p.s.:  one would say "fewer votes," not "less votes."

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 12:46 | 471292 ElvisDog
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To be fair, Bush did not "steal" the 2004 election. He was elected with something like 53% of the popular vote.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 12:47 | 471300 Ripped Chunk
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"he did an amazing job at keeping the country safe after 9/11"

Who are you?

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:07 | 471379 Ripped Chunk
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No response from Tarheel.  Not delusional. Only a contrarian troll planted by "them"

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:23 | 471428 Max Hunter
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Who: we will never know

What:.. a full blown idiot.. or disingenuous troll.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:01 | 471575 WaterWings
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19 junks @ 10:58 Pacific time.

Comment implosion in 3...2...1...

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:02 | 471364 Red Neck Repugnicant
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In fact, he did an amazing job at keeping the country safe after 9/11.

This is one of the finest examples of willful self-delusion ever on record.  

What about 9/11, itself?  We weren't safe on that day.  And Bush's response to 9/11 (invading the wrong fucking country) was quite a doozy.  

I'd say that Bush didn't keep us safe.    

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:08 | 471380 JLee2027
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I did not vote for Obama, but I accepted his win and decided to give him a year to change my mind about him because I thought he could grow into the job. He failed, but at least I was objective and unbiased about it.

In your case, blind rage and hatred distorts the view and leads to a loss of objectivity.  You can't tell who is good or bad anymore.  Do you even realize that?

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 13:48 | 471520 Jeff Lebowski
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+1 on all points.  Well said.

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:53 | 471754 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Blind rage and hatred?

Hardly.  More like cynicism, humor, and digust mixed evenly.  

Thu, 07/15/2010 - 14:59 | 471777 rapidsingleflux
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I did the same. And for the first few months I thought he was actually going to do some good. Unfortunately we know how it went...

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