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Guest Post: A Day In The Life Of A “Homegrown Terrorist”

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Submitted By Giordano Bruno of Neithercorp Press

A Day In The Life Of A “Homegrown Terrorist”

There was a time when having one’s name listed in the despised ranks
of those villains that governments often categorize as “terrorists”
involved quite a bit of leg work, as well as an ominous running resume
of death, destruction, and general mean spiritedness. Of course, if one
examines the history of every modern country which eventually
disintegrated into despotism, the definition of who the “enemy” is tends
to become rather broad rather quickly. That is to say, the more
criminal the leadership of a country becomes, the easier it is for the
average person to find himself labeled a criminal by that same

Today, one does not need to blow up buildings, take hostages in
political motivation, send anthrax through the mail, or even wave a gun
around in a public place to be considered a terrorist threat. In fact, a
man could never leave his house and still find himself under suspicion
as an enemy of the state. The Department of Homeland Security has
released numerous standardized guidelines to law enforcement offices
across the country which are meant to make it “easier” for police and
others to identify a possible terrorist. If you were to take at face
value such documents as the now famous MIAC Report, the Virginia Fusion
Center Report, the DHS’ “see something, say something” campaign, the
Enemy Belligerents Act, the post trial statements of the Department Of
Justice in the Liberty Dollar case, or the wild spewing rhetoric of
establishment mouthpiece organizations like the SPLC, then you would
discover that a likely terrorist is:

Anyone who talks frequently about the Constitution, or ill of the government
Anyone who supports the idea of a Constitutional Militia
Anyone who fights against anti-gun legislation, or owns many guns (man do we LOVE guns)
Anyone who supports state sovereignty and 10th Amendment issues
Anyone who supports Ron Paul (the ultimate sin according to the SPLC)
Anyone who believes the private Federal Reserve is destroying our economy
Anyone who talks about the “New World Order”, or global government (does
this include men like George Soros, Joseph Biden, Gordon Brown, Henry
Kissinger, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Strobe Talbot, George McGovern,
Mikhail Gorbachev, Richard Nixon, etc.?)
Anyone who discusses economic collapse as a reality in the U.S.
Anyone who speaks out against the IRS
Anyone who participates in “Hacktivism” (including those who leak documents embarrassing to government)
Anyone who participates in any form of activist group
Anyone who argues that the Left/Right political paradigm is a scam
Anyone who promotes Anarchist views
Anyone who distrusts FEMA (as if Katrina did not give us ample reasons)
Anyone who believes a truly independent investigation of 9/11 is rational and called for
Anyone who home schools their children
Anyone who flies a Gadsden Flag
Anyone who stores survival goods and food
Anyone who uses shortwave radios or HAMs
Anyone who watches movies like ‘Freedom to Fascism’, with anti-Fed messages
Anyone who operates private barter and trade networks
Anyone who stores gold and silver or uses them as an alternative to the dollar

Basically, ANYONE who dissents through independent political
organization or protests through non-participation in the corrupt system
might as well be Al Qaeda…

I could go on for pages with this stuff, but I think you get the
picture. In a world where refusing a naked body scan at the airport
earns you intimidation and a demeaningly thorough pat down, it is clear
that now wherever we go we are all considered “suspects”. Why would I
turn down a naked body scan, one might ask? Well obviously because I
have something to hide; namely my genitalia from the prying eyes of the
TSA. To be frank, my privacy and the privacy of all Americans is more
important than your safety. Get over it.

America is moving closer to financial derailment, and with that kind
of destabilization often follows the escalation of what we call the
“police state”; a governmental framework that is designed specifically
to protect the longevity of the core system that created the disaster in
the first place, remove civil liberties one bite at a time while
demonizing any person who dares to question the necessity of the system,
and institute new social dynamics meant to acclimate the public to the
loss of the freedom and prosperity they once enjoyed. That is, to
condition them to accept the loss as “inevitable” and for the “greater

Most unsettling but absolutely predictable has been the recent
tapping of the SPLC and ever present establishment front man Mark Potok
as the on camera media hit squad against organizations like Liberty
Dollar, and anyone else attempting to promote alternative methods of
currency and commerce outside of the corporately controlled economy.
U.S. Attorney Anne Tompkins’ post trial statement in the case against
von NotHaus that “Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this
country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism” was just the
beginning. Potok has now come forward stating:

“He (von NotHaus) is playing on a core idea of the
radical right, that evil bankers in the Federal Reserve are ripping you
off by controlling the money supply,” said Mark Potok, spokesman for the
group. “He very much exists in the world of the anti-government patriot
movement, whatever he may say. That’s who his customers are.”

Here’s what I love about Mark Potok; his ability to vomit unsupported
accusations and make absurdly false associations all while making the
absolute truth sound “insane” to the useful idiots out there in TV land.
First off, how does Potok define the “radical right”? It sounds
scary, but what does it mean? Who gets to decide what the radical right
is? The SPLC? Is a right wing radical or extremist anyone who just
happens to disagree with Mark Potok’s world view, or the global elitist
vision of the future? Potok routinely haunts the transmissions of MSM
networks to squat on our television screens and unleash a putrid torrent
of Ad hominem attacks without ever having to actually qualify what he
says. It truly is awe inspiring.

His style of propaganda comes from a long tradition of Alinsky-esque
dishonesty in debate. When the SPLC argues a point, their goal is not
to get to the truth of a matter, or to explore the complexity of an
issue, it is to oversimplify the issues, to ridicule the opposition and
taint their image in the minds of audiences before the audience ever
gets a chance to hear the other side of the story. How often does Potok
utter phrases like “radical”, “extremist”, “terrorist”, “white
supremacist”, or hot button names like “Timothy McVeigh” while
discussing legitimate activist groups like the Ron Paul campaign, Oath
Keepers, the Tea Party Movement, anti-Federal Reserve groups, etc? The
purpose behind this is to condition average Americans to automatically
interpret the terminology as being mutually related. To hear Oath
Keeper, for instance, and think “Timothy McVeigh”.

This tactic of false association invariably leads to more generalized
definitions of criminality, or terrorism, and then to more intrusive
legal actions and legislation.

The Liberty Dollar case is now being used by the DOJ in an effort to
set a precedent, which would make it easier for the government to
prosecute any barter network utilizing gold and silver as competing
currencies to the dollar. The message is clear; you are not allowed to
change the system. You are not allowed to buck the system or criticize
the system. You are not even allowed to walk away from the system. You
will sit down, you will shut up, and you WILL participate, whether you
like it or not.

This philosophy is typical of autocratic nations around the globe.
The citizenry is denied the ability to actively have a say in their own
government because the parties involved refuse to represent them, or
even stoop to abusing them, then, they are denied the option to protest
this lack of representation, and then, they are also denied the choice
of opting out and walking away. A slightly more extreme example of this
would be the Chinese propensity for hating the Tibetan people and
wishing they would disappear, while also shooting Tibetan natives who
take the hint and attempt to leave the country by hiking over the
border. Thus, the people are not just an enemy to be silenced or run
off, they are also property which must be fenced in and subjugated.

Potok condescendingly attacks the idea of the Federal Reserve ripping
people off and controlling the money supply as “radical” (both
accusations are true and have been well documented Ad Nauseum by
numerous financial analysts from both sides of the political spectrum. I
challenge Potok to debate me or any other alternative economist on this
in depth). But the real kick is that Anne Tompkins and Mark Potok both
connect the movement towards any barter and trade away from the Federal
Reserve controlled construct as being an extremist endeavor which will
supposedly wreak havoc on the mainstream economy. This casts millions
of Americans into the role of domestic terrorist without them ever
lifting a finger in anger or violence. Again, you are not allowed to
have your own economy, or your own money. You have to play by the
rules, their rules, and become a part of the team.

Being that I apparently seem to fit many of the DHS/SPLC selected
characteristics of a homegrown terrorist, and most of the people I know,
work with, and are friends with, do as well, I feel it is incumbent
upon me to give you a personal peak into the everyday existence of such a
“dangerous affront” to civilized society. For all you terrorism
voyeurs out there, let’s delve into the deep dark recesses of the life
and psyche of the average establishment nominated homegrown extremist…

7:00 AM: I wake up this morning and every morning
with thoughts on how I may better expose the Federal Reserve and the
fetid, morally bankrupt corporate bankers who constructed it. Drink
orange juice. Change out of my Gadsden Flag pajamas and jump into the
shower. Sing the lyrics to Jimi Hendrix’s ‘All Along The Watchtower’.
Rinse. Repeat.

8:00 AM: I jot down my immediate thoughts for the
next terroristic macroeconomic analysis article I plan to complete later
in the day with my long horrifying trigger happy terrorist fingers on
my terrorist built supercomputer. I also eat a blueberry muffin,
probably heated to sumptuous perfection by bakers of the terrorist
persuasion. As you know, we are everywhere. Booga booga…

9:00 AM: Go out for my five mile jog. Have to stay
in tip top condition if Homeland Security plans to hunt me down for all
those goods and silver I’ve been trading on the evil right wing
extremist ultra maxi secret black market. Flea markets, farmers
markets, garage sales, private exchanges of eggs and milk, all under the
nose of the IRS! You name it, I sully the “pristine” nature of the
Federal Reserve system with it.

10:00 AM: Arrive at my day job where I talk to
fellow employees and even employers CONSTANTLY about the stagflationary
threats to the U.S. economy, the inherent tyranny of the central banking
philosophy, the complete idiocy of the Keynesian methodology, the risk
of Treasury depreciation and the loss of the greenback’s world reserve
currency status, along with the need for sound money initiatives,
localized commerce, state sovereignty legislation, and personal defense.
Somehow, they have not yet realized that I am a terrorist. Mark Potok
needs to get his message out there more effectively…

6:00 PM: Arrive home from a hard day’s work. Make
dinner devoid of artificial sweeteners, chemical preservatives, and high
fructose corn syrup. For some reason, I care about my overall health
and shudder at the prospect of feeding from the corporately produced
slop trough, which only seems to slowly morph any unsuspecting human
being into a 300 pound boil infested bottom feeding kankle troll with
the logical and intuitive capacity of a sea monkey. Watch rerun of
Three’s Company (Hey, that show is funny…)

7:00 PM: Sink into couch for some much needed rest.

7:15 PM: Get up off of couch and start my second job as a terrorist writer. We are indeed relentless.

11:00 PM: After spreading my vicious propaganda
about how the leaderships of both major political parties support nearly
the same exact legislation and only seem to disagree in rhetoric, or
when the particular issue is ultimately unimportant to the progression
of globalization, as well as the inevitable downfall of the American
financial system facilitated by the deliberate creation of the
derivatives crisis by the Federal Reserve and global banks like JP
Morgan, Goldman Sachs, HSBC, etc, I then have a shot of whiskey.
Sometimes its depressing being a terrorist, and you have to take the
edge off.

12:00 AM: I now answer many emails from other would
be terrorists across the country who have been wiled by the undeniably
rich and sexy allure of the lifestyle. Being labeled a terrorist is
truly fun and exciting. Being constantly aware of the Godzilla-like
rampage of international banks and the Fed across the ruins of our
monetary system while half of the public is more concerned about what
kind of Gordita they want from Taco Bell is immensely comforting. All
the extra attention we receive from such highly placed individuals as
Janet Napolitano makes us feel like celebrities. I imagine any group in
history who has been singled out by government for their political and
social views or their desire to fix the obvious inadequacies of their
authority structure has felt the same way……fabulous.

1:00 AM: Time to sleep. Warm milk? Check. Air
conditioning at optimum temperature? Check. Bed spread neatly folded
for easy access? Check. Low playing mood music? Check. Loaded
semi-automatic pistol under pillow? Check. (This is actually true in
some cases, and you know what? I salute those people.) Commence
operation Sheep Count. Try to supplant the concerns and the tensions of
a world tomorrow that could be drastically different and even more
frightening than the one we live in today. Worry that I should be
sleeping less and working more to prepare others for what is coming.
Hoping that my belief in the greater potential of mankind is not a
waste, and that my efforts will yield something better for those
generations that follow my own. Yes, I am an extremist, and a deviant.
I will never stop pursuing the tidings of liberty, regardless of the
cost. I am a madman. However, this makes me wonder, what does it mean
to be deemed a madman in a society run by madmen? What does it mean to
be judged a deviant in a nation dominated by deviants? Why is it that a
so called “terrorist” in an atmosphere of dread and tyranny always
seems to end up being but a man who only seeks to be free?

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Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:00 | 1152083 mynhair
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You forgot arguing with a moron TSA drone that can't read a boarding pass in English.

Took two years to clear.  Ef em, I fly by sail.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:23 | 1152167 nonclaim
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And never attempt to air travel with a 20" cardboard box. It makes you a terrorist, drug mule, arms dealer and anything else TSA can think of, all at the same time. And if you offer to open and show the gifts... back off! In a two legged flight the box was X-rayed three times, tested for chemical traces twice and finally charged $18.00 in tax after 1h of grilling in customs for what was inside without ever being allowed to open it.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 00:32 | 1152302 Xibalba
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A Saiga 12 is a force multiplier like no one has ever seen.  I'll take that over a light-show any day

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 08:27 | 1153082 Zina
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Tea Party Republicans agree with a budget more than 1 trillion higher than that of fiscal year 2007, and will probably vote to raise the debt ceiling above 100% of the GDP!!

All that bullshit was only rhetoric!

Now, just shut up and vote for Obama 2012! There's nothing more to do!

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 08:55 | 1153104 Treeplanter
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Another Obama sucker happy on the Democrat plantation.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:39 | 1153570 CH1
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Or maybe one of our paid trolls.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:13 | 1153638 Zina
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Paid? Send my check, please!!!


I'm anxious to see a Republican in the White House again, and see how the deficit will KEEP GROWING from year to year. 

Even without "Obamacare", the deficit will keep growing, and even with a Republican in the White House, the deficit will surpass 2 trillion per year... 

Then, I will watch some people, which today are so vocal, being completely silent and complacent about the deficit.


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:36 | 1153794 Rodent Freikorps
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We'll all have to wait and see, won't we?

How about you find something else to get excited about until then, eh?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 19:14 | 1153992 Larry Darrell
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I don't disagree that if there is an "R" in the White House the deficit will continue to balloon, butI thought we were all completely over the D vs R crap by now.


"Then, I will watch some people, which today are so vocal, being completely silent and complacent about the deficit."


This future silence from the "Right" over the deficit when they are in power will be no less deafening than the silence from the "Left" right now on the issue of "unjust wars for oil."


Both sides are the same -- criminals.  Either wake up, or shut the fuck up.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 10:43 | 1154807 Founders Keeper
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[Both sides are the same -- criminals.  Either wake up, or shut the...]---Larry Darrell

Dems and Repubs: Both sides of the same criminal.  Now that sings!


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:22 | 1153933 New_Meat
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CH1-looking at the below message:


I'm betting you a super-size that you've found yourself one of the Huff Po'z "junior-apprentice-probationary" trolls.  You know, 'cuz Zsa-Zsz can't afford to spend for anything but the very best.  Although, she'll watch with interest at the biting pool, might throw in some chum every once in a while.

- Ned


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 08:41 | 1153097 SubjectivObject
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Aww shoot shucks, there goes the Saiga secret.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 11:50 | 1153244 DosZap
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Good Luck finding one, or the Drums.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 11:49 | 1153245 Xibalba
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Not to worry.  Finding one in stock is like trying to find a 1000oz silver bar to take delivery of. 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:33 | 1152355 Gold 36000
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You still have to have boots on the ground to control the neighborhood.  That's where we can all get up close and personal.  Your laser thingy won't do you much good in the back alleys.

As far as the saiga 12 get them while you can.  The government is about to ban them.  Shotguns with steel shot are the only legal, non class three weapon that armored troops fear.  If you are up tight against the wall when they come in the door they step inside looking forward before they turn. You aim for the underarm which is exposed when the guy has his gun raised.  Most people are right hand shooters so you need to be up tight against the wall to the right of the door.

If they are coming straight at you then shoot for the face plate.  That is the weakest point on the armor.  You won't kill the guy (hell you can't hardly kill a fully armored attacker with a shotgun unless you can hit him from the side in his underarm) but you will break the face plate and definitely fuck up his aim if nothing else, possibly blind him and put him out of the fight. That buys you time.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:54 | 1152414 Xibalba
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GREAT ADVICE, man!  I pair it with an XDM .40 with black talon ammo.  And yes...I'm ready, willing, and able to use them.  I also bought a katadyn microfilter and an ontario afghan knife....among other things.    Gotta get that bugoutbag ready just in case. 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 22:24 | 1152517 SilverBaron
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Surely only a terrorist would spend 300 benny bux on a water filter when the government provides perfectly good fluoridated (for your teeth of course), chlorinated, lithium filled in some cases, water for practically free.  You have just made the list my friend.  Welcome to the club.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:14 | 1152644 Xibalba
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I'm a proud, card carrying member!

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 00:49 | 1152806 BigDuke6
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You weekend warriors are so fucking tough.

You talk lots of shit but do nothing while the real terrorism takes place in your communities.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 00:58 | 1152811 Glass Steagall
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So, you get that place cleaned up in a jiffy, BigDuke?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 01:01 | 1152818 Xibalba
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I have a non-profit.  What you got 'tough guy'?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:54 | 1153350 whstlblwr
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Gold 36000 you make case for US government that you are talking terrorist activity. I say they have right to put you on list. I hope they do, you sound dangerous to me. Your comment is bullshit. Most of you guys are lazy gun horny dudes who want to take it easy and read blogs, not be involved in political process.

They didn't use violence in Egypt, and as shown in history with Boston Tea Party, non-violent, civil disobedience is way to go. I say come on Home Land Security round up these gun toting, scary crazy's on Zero Hedge.

I agree with article though. Potok is trying to make all government disagreement into terrorists and it's not case. Many love US and hate what is happening.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:32 | 1153562 Rodent Freikorps
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You do realize they changed nothing but a few faces at the top, right?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:49 | 1153693 gordengeko
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Sarcasm is evident.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:26 | 1153939 New_Meat
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dude, ever been to baxter state?  Knife edge is really cool.  (do it w/early snow--fricken' bugs can really suck) - Ned

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:34 | 1153949 Xibalba
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Been to NH and ME plenty of times.  That's probably the safest place to run on the east coast when the shtf. 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:24 | 1152663 l.kimbot
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Damn.  Hope it doesn't come to that but stunning detail I won't ever forget.  Thanks!

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:25 | 1152668 notofdahsleeple
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Enter the Tanto sword

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 00:24 | 1152777 chunga
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For the price of one AR you can get two Izmash Saiga .223s. Takes about 10 minutes to strip and clean...using a shoe lace if that's all you got. I'm fond of the Road Blocker -- firing a 3" 12 ga. indoors makes everyone go deaf for quite a while.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:27 | 1153301 perchprism
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You're absolutely right about that.   My ears are still ringing and my ass is still bleeding two weeks after the fact.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 01:52 | 1152880 Golden monkey
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Buying time is a thing; 25 years is too much.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 08:30 | 1153090 Mr. Mandelbrot
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Shotguns with steel shot are the only legal, non class three weapon that armored troops fear.

Don't forget FN FiveseveNs with SS190 armor piercing rounds . . .

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:27 | 1153303 Lednbrass
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There is now an affordable alternative to Class 3 for the AR platform, AK version coming later this year if it isnt banned first.  Yeah, this thing is for real and it works, its a bump fire stock.  I recommend not buying online, find a dealer and pay cash- when they banned the Akins accelerator the customer lists let the BATFuckers reposess most of what made it out.  I will soon be driving to another state to pick one up in cash, as it is a stock and not a firearm no checks or paperwork involved-

Get 'em while you can.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:33 | 1153951 Xibalba
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Thanks for the link.  Will get my ffl on it.  Any rec's on an upper?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:48 | 1155384 Lednbrass
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I tried it on a different brand, but I have seen claims from some various testers on firearms forums and heard in person that it works best on mid length Rock River Arms stuff, and though its not part of the upper their trigger seems particularly suited to this. I have not tried one myself, but am hearing it in enough places that there may well be something to it and am prone to believe it.  Personally I plan to get one a little later this year, I am prone to AK's for sheer reliability but this is worth it imo.

Hope the info helps.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 09:39 | 1154757 ColonelCooper
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Good link.  Thanks.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 11:56 | 1154928 Founders Keeper
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[There is now an affordable alternative to Class 3 for the AR platform...]---Lednbrass

Thanks for the link, Lednbrass.

If necessity is the mother of invention, then limiting the 2nd Ammendment is the step-mother of invention.

Something to consider: In a socio-economic environment that limits availability to plentiful reliable ammo, controlled aimed fire has its advantages.


...the range is clear, the line is hot, you may begin fire.


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:55 | 1155404 Lednbrass
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Agreed on the necessity for controlled fire, but it never hurts to have options. 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:19 | 1153924 paratrooper325
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Spot on man. I will be wearing my dogtags and my 82nd ABN DIV shirt that my Father in Law bought me from a disabled veteran in South Dakota when they break in the door to meet some 0.45ACP. Too many good people have died for nothing. I'm just glad that I woke up before it was too late.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:52 | 1153957 Xibalba
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If $$$ were no object, I'd be sportin a Kimber Warrior in .45.  On my dream list.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 02:00 | 1156879 Rhodin
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"You still have to have boots on the ground to control the neighborhood.  That's where we can all get up close and personal.  Your laser thingy won't do you much good in the back alleys.

As far as the saiga 12 get them while you can.  The government is about to ban them.  Shotguns with steel shot are the only legal, non class three weapon that armored troops fear.  If you are up tight against the wall when they come in the door they step inside looking forward before they turn. You aim for the underarm which is exposed when the guy has his gun raised.  Most people are right hand shooters so you need to be up tight against the wall to the right of the door.

If they are coming straight at you then shoot for the face plate.  That is the weakest point on the armor.  You won't kill the guy (hell you can't hardly kill a fully armored attacker with a shotgun unless you can hit him from the side in his underarm) but you will break the face plate and definitely fuck up his aim if nothing else, possibly blind him and put him out of the fight. That buys you time."

@ Gold 36000

It sounds like you are looking forward to this, like a new video game, if so, that is insane! 

If you know real armored troops are coming for you, leave, regardless of whose troops they are, unless leaving is also a death sentence.  You might take some with you by surprise,  but they will use heavy weapons, gas, fire blitz, grenades, and/or tanks.  Waco was a poorly executed example, real troops are usually quicker, like second wave in a minute to an hour.  The best way to win this game is not to play it.   If you must play, don't be predictable. 

If you are attacked by renegades, or criminals that robbed an armory, then attempting to kill or drive off the first wave might discourage them, especially if you have radio contact with your neighbors and can arrange a diversion or relief attack.  

If you must use a shotgun with civilian ammo against armor, i would suggest saboted copper slugs, if you can still find them.  If choosing a new weapon for this scenario, get some current military armor and conduct your own ballistics tests.  Unless you have class 3 weapons, or are a master of shot placement under fire, you want a round that both pierces the armor and knocks down the target, hard to find in a CQB weapon.  A tanker Garand with AP ammo might work, both the rifle and the AP are scarce, but the '06 ball round penetrates very well too, again, consider your neighbors.

Avoiding this type of conflict is best, and gearing up for it (or saying you are)could cause it to happen, if you piss off the wrong people.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:41 | 1152215 disabledvet
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especially if it has flowers for your mother in it.  then "you're definitely a weirdo."

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:15 | 1152243 Arkadaba
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Worst I saw was a few years ago (pre-groping). I was in the security line and saw agents make an elderly gentleman (and I mean 80+) in a wheelchair stand up go through the metal detector supported by two companions. The detector went off and they went through his pockets and found a minature pocket knife on his keychain. It was the type of thing parents once gave to their kids (well a few years ago). The TSA person exploded and started yelling at this elderly gentlemen who was clearly confused and upset. Very sad ...

Edit: and my personal worst. Once I was driving back to the States after a weekend in Canada - it was late and a major snow storm (in the snowbelt area- I'm sure a few know what that means). Got off the highway ok but close to the border I couldn't see a thing so I followed the lights of the car in front of me. Well ... in retrospect not a good a idea. I guess he drove into an area where they test large transports for chemicals, radiation, etc. 

In any case, I get pulled over, roll down my window and this muscle-bound idiot starts barking at me: "What are you doing here? Do you know the people in those cars?" And on and on. I tried to answer him rationally but he wouldn't stop. I was getting close to tears (hey I'm a girl so I'm allowed) but then I realized he was getting off on it. Just something in his eyes. That stiffened my resolve and I shut down - answered his questions but absolutely no emotional reaction. He soon got bored and send me on my way.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:47 | 1152399 iota
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I was in San Diego a few years back and hit the highway going the wrong way. The last chance turn off had been blocked off and so I ended up in Mexico. Fortunately the person I was with had thier U.S Passport and so they were told they could go on my way.

I had the misfortune of being questioned by Cpt. Shithead

"Are you a citizen, yes or no"

"*explained situation*"

"Are you a citizen, yes or no?"

"But I just explained"

"Are you a citizen!?"

Eventually I thrust my UK drivers licence at him in exasperation. My name is distinctly English and I have blond hair, green eyes and deathly pale skin. In the end he 'deported' me back to Mexico. Three hours later my friend cam back with my passport and my visa waiver form. Coming through again I got the same guy and the prick still tried to grill me.


US customs and borders agents are by far the worst in the civilised (used loosely) world.


Fri, 04/08/2011 - 22:12 | 1152498 Arkadaba
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Thanks for sharing. Yeah, I have a few more stories as well and I was legal!

Currently looking at new opportunities but given the current US economic conditions and my past experience there - maybe not. I was thinking about that tonight. First, given that my currency is stronger and the USD is in who knows what territory - coupled with the pain in the ass Canadians have to endure to move there? Maybe not. 

Wondering if there might be an exodus of HIBs from the US? Just askin?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:08 | 1152629 superflyguy
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Yes, there will be or there is. I'm leaving and many like me already left... my H1B got fuxored because they changed the rules about a year or so ago. Many people are in the sme boat. I regret leaving because I met some of the best people I know in this country but at the same time I want to get out before things unfold which seems to be coming very soon.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:06 | 1153268 CH1
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I know MANY people who are running away. And they are universally intelligent, productive people. Adios tax receipts!


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 09:33 | 1153117 gordengeko
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There are many many things you are not being told.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:45 | 1152410 disabledvet
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well, actually..."that's what i told them."  it was actually a tommy gun with 1000 rounds.  you have to say SOMETHING ya, know?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 07:15 | 1153045 johnQpublic
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after waiting about forty five minutes to cross the US/Canada border at Rainbow bridge, the conversation turned to "star wars" MOVIES.

when we got to the booth, i did the arm wave and said 'we are not the droids you are looking for'

apparently i was wrong....we were the droids he was looking for.

we were searched for about 3 hours.

he found a bag of white powder, gymnastic chalk for rock climbing

i told him to taste it

he said ' we only do that in the movies'

what a nightmare....waiting while being grilled for chalk to be tested to make sure it wasnt coke, or anthrax


i'd do it again.....makes for a great story

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 10:14 | 1153162 optimator
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It's the SS midset those kind of folks have.  "Vy dit choo leave your door open, my troops didn't have the pleasure of smashik it din!"

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:09 | 1153271 CH1
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Let's face it, airports and border gates are Ghestapo offices. 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 23:17 | 1154345 Xibalba
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Don't insult the SS.  These are groping gorillas that the TSA has given unlimited power to.....

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:53 | 1152245 RafterManFMJ
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Blow their minds...make sure the cardboard box is sealed, and empty. Offer no reason for having it. Fondle it lovingly.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:18 | 1152317 Gold 36000
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I like that idea!

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 00:28 | 1152786 Dugald
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Yup, show no mercy, fuck with their minds, the little they have.....!

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 03:14 | 1152938 mt paul
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empty box with a short note inside ....

how many home land security agents

does it take to check an empty box ...

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 08:49 | 1153101 ReeferMac
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Ahaahahaa! Good one!

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 10:57 | 1153211 bonddude
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The trap is about to spring on this homegrown FINANCIAL terrorist who ripped off hundreds of millions and helped kill at least 7 - 8 banks including IndyMac. Youtube the whole series.

Story about to break in NYTimes affiliate Santa Rosa Press Democrat.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:53 | 1154123 krispkritter
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I brought a 30" horned cattle skull home from Mexico in a monitor box. I was clearing customs in TX and they asked me to put the box on the xray conveyor. I nearly pissed myself as the large woman behind the monitor got huge eyes and actually backed away from the monitor for a second.  As it came out the other end she still looked startled and asked me what was in the box, I said 'a skull', 'A what?', 'a skull, it's a cows head'. She asked me to open the box. I did, all the while trying not to bust out laughing. She looked in the box, looked relieved, and had me seal it back up.  I laughed for a half hour straight on my connecting flight and I'm sure the people around me thought I was insane...

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 19:28 | 1155928 LeaveYouAloneToo
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You can get anything smaller than 9"x13"x ~3" through security like this: Bake a pan of very aromatic chocolate brownies in a metal pan. Put whatever you want to get through security in another 9x13 pan. Stack the pans. Wrap them together with aluminum foil.


No kidding. I went through security at two different airports on the same day, offering to let them see the brownies (I was taking to a family gathering). They could smell them. They said: baked goods, no problem.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:02 | 1152610 OldPhart
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This just in, no Government Shut-Down...fuck!


Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:59 | 1152742 Sedaeng
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Just as ZH predicted...

I am disappointed as well sir.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 00:34 | 1152791 Dugald
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Just circus, you were expecting better?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 08:56 | 1153106 UnRealized Reality
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I do not disagree with the Article but people need to read the Cconstitution. It clearly states the main purpose is to protect the Gov't, there is no interpretation. The only rights we have are The Bill of Rights. First 10 Amendments. I am not defending the Gov't, Just saying. Don't take my word for it, READ the Constitution.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 10:01 | 1153142 Urban Redneck
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Mason, Madison, Jefferson (Virginians)

The VA Declaration of Rights was drafted by Mason and adopted June 12, 1776.  It is still in force today as the VA State Constitution.

The Declaration of Independence was drafted by Jefferson and adopted July 4, 1776.  It was effectively replaced by the US Constitution.

The Constitutionof the United States was drafted by Madison, and adopted September 17, 1787.

The Bill of Rightswas drafted by Madison and Adopted September 25, 1789, Its exclusion from the original Constitution (supported by the federalists and A? Hamilton of BofUS fame) led Mason to refuse to sign the Constitution.

A DECLARATION OF RIGHTS made by the Representatives of the good people of VIRGINIA, assembled in full and free Convention; which rights do pertain to them and their posterity, as the basis and foundation of Government.

Article 1

That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.

Article 2

That all power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people; that magistrates are their trustees and servants, and at all times amenable to them.

Article 3

That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation or community; of all the various modes and forms of government that is best, which is capable of producing the greatest degree of happiness and safety and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration; and that, whenever any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community hath an indubitable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public weal.

 ... right to bear arms...

... Founder's Intent ...

The broken educational system may teach one how to read, but it rarely teaches one what to read. 

einer für alle, alle für einen
sic semper tyrannis


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:16 | 1153206 UnRealized Reality
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And what people read they only see what they want.First read your own posting and Website. The right to bear arms to PROTECT the STATE(Gov't) is pretty clear. And further more it is still a circle jerk, it gives any body the right to overthrow a gov't because of what they perceive as the gov't fucking things up. So the next one will be overthrown too when the next set of people decide that that gov't is fucking things up. Also keep in mind that all this stuff was made up By, wait for it, the elite of the time. All our Forefathers' were Aristocrats.


PS Your website is for VA not the Country!!

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:24 | 1153937 Urban Redneck
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I did read my own postings, both the one above from 10:10, and the one below from 10:13- I think it is perfectly clear that I am not proposing than any one has the right to overthrow the government.


Yes, all the founders were aristocrats, but as far as I am aware- they were not psychics, and hence could not know precisely how the documents they drafted would evolve and be used by the State they created- either for or against both the aristocracy and the peasantry.  Fear of tyranny by the State is nothing new, and tyranny by the State has been argued to be one of the causes of the American Revolution.


Getting back to my post of 10:13- in order to divide one’s enemy, it is necessary to engage on multiple fronts.  Examples might include the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches.  Ironically, judicial review was inaugurated by Marbury v. Madison.  Originalism is a widely accepted methodology for judicial review.  A marriage of originalism and judicial activism may be abhorrent to philosophical purists, but even Sun Tzu was an anathema to contemporary Chinese culture.  Regardless, the Virginia Declaration of Rights, particularly as it reinforces and expands on ideas and ideals repeated in later founding documents, is relevant to the entire nation.


In regards the use, definition, and common characteristics of the word militia, originalists would do well to read Washington’s correspondence with the Continental Congress, for those who do not have access to it, or who would prefer a more functionalist persuasion, I would direct them to the text of Hague and Geneva Conventions, treaties signed and ratified by the United States.     


My primary point though was in regards to education and my primary purpose was to provoke thought.  Most political discussions of the foundation of the nation today do not get beyond the Declaration, Constitution, and Federalist Papers, if they even get that far.  Discussions of the roles and authorities of the different levels of government are rarely more than supremacy clause vs. 10th amendment shouting matches.  The same core debate over the role of government has repeated ever sense the initial federalist-anti-federalist debate in countless guises: rural-urban, agrarian-industrial, isolationist-interventionist, progressive-tea party (rinse, repeat).  Look at my avatar, einer für alle, alle für einen, sic semper tyrannis.  The Swiss power balance between federalism and states rights is exactly the reverse of the United States situation (cum hoc ergo propter hoc, the US must find its own unique solution), and despite the EU curse, the outlook here is about opposite that of the US.  Switzerland is unique and peculiar, but so is the perspective it provides.  In this part of the country (northern), people like complain about the lazy Germans coming across the border in search of work.      


At the present time, I am actually an advocate of symmetrical warfare in the US, as I believe that the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches are all being exploited in the pursuit of eroding Liberty.  Symmetrical warfare, in the current context, is non-violent.  However, since this is Fight Club, Marighella’s Seven Sins should also be required reading, but I am distracted by a woman yelling Portuguese now, I think she wants something..


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 03:32 | 1154573 AnAnonymous
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Fear of tyranny by the State is nothing new, and tyranny by the State has been argued to be one of the causes of the American Revolution.


Indeed. Nothing more odious that a tyrant who prevents his subjects from stealing from the Indians and kept his words to slaves on the matter of freedom.

How wonderful US citizens can not admit that their words ring hollow when put to their actions.

All men created equal in Virginia? Well, they had the opportunity to live by those words. They did not.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 21:48 | 1156375 Borrowed Merkin
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Samuel Adams was not an aristocrat. Read a book before making blatantly ignorant statements.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:12 | 1153275 DosZap
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Our responsibility, and all LE,and Military's primary responsibility is to the Constitution, NOT the Government.

Government is a raging fire, it is a neccessary evil.

When the Gov't starts issuing orders that are against the Constitution, then those orders are Null and Void, and are not to be followed.

To do so makes them the terrorists. 

Any law that is passed that is in  contradiction to the Constitution, is No law, and are to be ignored.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:10 | 1152088 FOC 1183
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"Loaded semi-automatic pistol under pillow? Check"
Every focking night. it cuts down the number of sheep necessary.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:09 | 1152117 Max Hunter
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i'm guilty on ALL counts... Fuck em...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:16 | 1152305 live free
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As am I... I put "I am a terrorist apparently" on my facebook account when I had one... and posted the documents and got lots of interesting replies.  I also put myself on the "list" when I told the whitehouse email, that I spread the "truth" about the healthcare bill.  Also, I take pictures whenever I have to fly of the TSA.

Come get me....


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 23:25 | 1154356 Xibalba
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MAn after my own heart <3

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 23:25 | 1154357 Xibalba
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Man after my own heart <3

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:21 | 1152324 TBT or not TBT
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Round in the chamber?

Is there a safety on the thing or is the first round DA?

It is hard to practice being woken up suddenly in bed, grasping a hopefully holstered pistol lost under your pillow or jammed against the headboard somewhere, getting it out of the holster, racking the slide (if there is no round in the chamber), deactivating the safety (if any), and getting on target with a grip that will ensure the next round feeds.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 22:35 | 1152546 WaterWings
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These are questions every man asks himself as he ponders the gaping maw of the gulag.

Don't you have a fucking dog? If you are attempting to instill uncertainty you have picked the wrong crowd.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:06 | 1152626 TBT or not TBT
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The neighbor's cat is exceptionally loyal to me.  

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:27 | 1152674 l.kimbot
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Sat, 04/09/2011 - 08:32 | 1153076 FOC 1183
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"it is hard to practice being woken up suddenly in bed"

No, with a willing wife it's really not. And if you're not willing to practice, you probably shouldn't own a firearm (and with two large Dalmatians in the bed with us, the wake-up is unlikely to be sudden)

Best of luck with the neighbor's cat.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:07 | 1152633 jeff montanye
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my thoughts exactly.  no substitute for a good dog (or two). and a strong no key inside bolt.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:26 | 1152665 pods
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I would recommend a Fila Brasileiro.  Finest guard dog, period.


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 07:48 | 1153059 Arkadaba
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One of my sisters has a similar breed:

Ugliest dog ever but great. 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 22:20 | 1154278 pods
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Yeah, kind of like a mastiff with an English Bulldog face.  Have not studied the French Mastiff.  I can see the mastiff in them.

Filas are big loose skinned semi hound looking dogs (fawns especially).

As far as temperament, nothing will compare.  They are extremely lovable with their family, but distrust all others.

There are some striking mastiffs, Cane Corso being tops on the list.  But they do not have the same temperament.

Filas have the look of a big old lazy hound.  But they will not back down from a threat.  No special training (Schutzhund) required, as this is inate.  They even have become a Brazilian proverb, "faithful as a Fila".  Have been prepping the family for a couple months before we get ours.  Much different than our old dog (lab/chow mix).  Alot of US breeders have turned them into a regular mastiff, being much heavier than a true Fila, and losing that high rear end.  Temperament is also lost on many.



Sat, 04/09/2011 - 00:59 | 1152813 seek
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Seismic and break-beam optical intrusion sensors around the property line come pretty close, substitute wise.

Plus they provide much earlier warning than the dog can muster.

I really don't like surprises.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 02:21 | 1152907 The Mighty Monarch
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A loud, intimidating looking one will do almost as well. My 88 pound Black Lab/American Bulldog mix with his low bark, dark eyes and sleek build hides the fact that he's a loveable spaz, but man does he scare the piss out of anyone walking by. Anyone dumb enough to try and get past that will be greeted by a blast or two of double-ought buckshot to the gut.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 07:21 | 1153048 johnQpublic
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2 dog home monitoring system

pistol on the nightstand

kibble in the kitchen

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:27 | 1156508 Rhodin
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Dogs, geese, (other fenced livestock where permitted) perimeter alarms, motion sensor lights, increase your response time.  As for practice, try backpack hiking/camping in bear country,  or try sleeping in a camper van starting in a state park, then move to a slightly worse neighborhood each night.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:02 | 1152093 NOTW777
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u should include republicans because as dems say they just want to kill women

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:07 | 1152098 mynhair
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and 600 million seniors, ala Pelousy.

Shut it down!  Expose it for the fraud it is!

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:17 | 1152143 NOTW777
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yesterday she explained that many people will starve if there is a shut down.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:10 | 1152639 jeff montanye
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it's theater, kabuki, opera buffa.  made to distract, divide and confuse.  they all work for the same people for the same ends.  nader was right.  

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:21 | 1153406 DosZap
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She is a uber rich cunting stunt, and insane to boot.

The eyes have it, look into the eyes, they wreak of an insane person.

I am SO sick of these doomsdayer Dems, God almighty, if  pathological lying were punishable by death now, there would be maybe a handful of people  left in D.C.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:05 | 1152096 chumbawamba
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Gerald Celente just kicked everyone's ass:


Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:15 | 1152137 chumbawamba
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And let me remind you, especially the cunts that like to take sorry pot-shots at me from the safety of their perfectly ensconced world, that I did and am doing my part.  And I'm doing it for everyone, even you assholes.

When I brag that I defaulted on my credit cards and went to court to fight them off, it's not because I'm proud of defaulting, it's because I'm proud of taking their fiat capitol and converting it into provisions, weapons, and precious metals, the very things I will use to fight them.

When I brag that I haven't paid my taxes in 4 years and haven't even bothered filing for the last 2, it's not only because federal income taxes are a sham that pay for absolutely nothing except foreign wars and occupation plus a little off the top for the bankers, but because I am depriving Mollock of my labor and my production.  Mollock has no right to that.  It is mine and I never signed it away.  I do not work for free and the federal government does not get a pass, and certainly not the fucking military.

When I talk about these things, it is not to brag.  It is in the hope that you knowing there are others out there doing this, fighting, that you, too, can do this.  And that you, too, must do this.  I can't do it alone.  I want you to know that you can fight these bastards, and you can win, or at least slow them down and make them earn it.

But to win, you need only to outlast them.  If they shut the government down this weekend, it won't be the end of the war but it will buy me time.  But eventually, they will shut it down, for good.  And you had better be prepared and know how to fight, because that's when the real war starts.

Time and a fighting spirit is all you need.  I can show you the way if you just ask, but you must want to do it.

Get off your fucking asses and do something already!  I can't fight this alone!

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:29 | 1152180 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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A true patriot. Fight on warrior, you're fighting the good fight.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 22:59 | 1152600 Glass Steagall
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+10,000 Chumbawamba. I'm with you - got outta the consumer credit trap a few years ago and Uncle Sam can suck a dick - I went 15 years as a wage earner without filing. Been 4 years now on this run and I suspect I will out-live this regime so, fuck 'em.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:38 | 1153569 Ruffcut
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You gotta call a leechfuck when you see one.

You can't fight this alone, because you are totally alone.

I've stored some essentials, and pay my credit card off every month.

Justifying not being responsible and talking warrior shit is merely a sick chumybooble illusion. Chances are you would be the first to go raiding the neighborhood. That is why I have weapons, for the day when you will go on your cockeyed binge of some xbox warrior, wannabe.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:43 | 1154209 WaterWings
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Maybe you need to learn a little more about fractional reserve banking.

Fuck the the banks and fuck the IRS.

Ruff, you have a lot more in common with you fellow citizen then those that receive your timely payments.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 04:37 | 1152967 Mark McGoldrick
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A true patriot

I disagree. Vehemently. 

Chumbawamba is nothing more than a delusional American deadbeat, who hides his financial failures behind the thin veil of faux patriotism. Make no mistake, he's nothing more than a cheater and thief who can't pay his fucking bills.  Of course, being a deadbeat is certainly not easy on the ego, so Chumbawamba has cleverly crafted a rather bizarre reality for himself: "I'm not a deadbeat, I'm a..... revolutionary!  Yeah, that's it!  I'm fighting for you!  I maxed out my VISA card, then defaulted on it to save America.  I'm a credit martyr! I'm an American Patriot, revolutionizing our great country one unpaid bill at a time. The lower your credit score, the more patriotic you become!"

That certainly sounds better!  If you can't change reality, just change the definitions.  


Pathetic. It's fascinating how deep the bullshit can flow when your ego is on the line. 

Speaking of questionable definitions, Chumbawamba routinely calls Obama a "nigger" then derails an entire thread, defending its usage by broadening the definition.  In reality, he's just a racist pig and attempts to hide it behind semantics.  So let's play the Chumbawamba game tonight, shall we?  What are the actual  definitions for the word "nigger"?

Of course, the only definition that applies to Chumbawamba's routine usage is the overtly offensive and disparaging one that everyone already knows. Curiously though, one of the definitions is: "a person who is economically, politically and socially disenfranchised."

Ding. Ding. Ding.  I'm fixin' to do some irony, now. 

It would be difficult to find someone at ZH that is more "economically, politically and socially disenfranchised" than our favorite deadbeat, Chumbawamba. He's not a patriot; he's not some revolutionary. He is, by definition, a fucking NIGGER.  Now, THAT is irony.  

Chumbawamba - you may have some of the doomer goons fooled into believing that being a deadbeat is somehow revolutionary. It's not, nor is it patriotic.  It's just a delusional cop out.  And hilariously, it appears you might be a nigger, too.

Good night.




Sat, 04/09/2011 - 05:58 | 1153002 The Rock
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Do you have any idea that we pay the "Frauderal Reserve" (Central Banking Cartel) to print our money with interest?  40% of all of the federal income tax revenue goes to these Bankers to pay interest on the national debt!!

Fractional Reserve Banking is slavery. It is not economic freedom. Both sides of wars are funded by these evil, inhuman bankers - the loser signs a treaty and agrees to 'pay it all back'.


You're working for someone that never worked for the money in the first place. They 'printed' it. They increased the number of zeros on their ledger because you've agreed to make payments on that money, but it never existed in the first place. That is, the Frauderal Reserve has the ability to increase the money supply and then pass it on to their 'member' banks: Wells Fargo, Citi, Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, etc. These banks will only take a loss if you stop making payments - and they threaten you with a lower FICO score if you decide not to play anymore. So how is this slavery? You are paying interest on money they did not work for. But you had to sweat to get the money to pay that interest. Your sweat goes to these bankers without them doing a damn thing!

"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws, for I shall rule." --Mayer Amschel Rothschild


1980 Banking was 10% of US Profits
2007 Banking was 40% of US Profits
2010 Banking is NOW 65% of US PROFITS!



“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.” -- President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, November 23, 1933, in a letter to Colonel Edward Mandell House


“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debt.” --Henry Ford


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 08:24 | 1153075 BigJim
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Good post.

But it's wasted on McGoldPrick, who is almost certainly a paid Statist troll.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:15 | 1153279 CH1
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Yup, Paid Trolls are the new technology of simplified rulership.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:37 | 1153317 Mark McGoldrick
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A Statist troll?  You guys are whacked-out nuts.  You're so delusional, and the groupthink is so fucking thick around here, you remind me of a cult. How long before you guys move into a rural compound and jump on a comet's tail? I would think that burying ham in your backyard and filling your house with pepperoni is some sign that you're well on your way, right? 

I don't need a pedantic history lesson on the Federal Reserve to better understand the poor excuses of not paying your bills, and not honoring your signature.  In your world, being a credit deadbeat is the first step to becoming an American warrior or revolutionary - and that's pure, unmitigated bullshit. That's called being a loser, grasping for relevance.  

If you think that not honoring your debts and not honoring contracts is indicative of an American patriot and warrior, then by the exact same logic, AIG was the brightest example of American patriotism, up to the point of their bailout. Then, once they got rescued, they were evil - right? But the moment before the bailout?..... a corporate warrior?  Let me guess, this sort of logic only applies to libertarians, not corporations.   

Chumbawamba is a credit deadbeat, and he has - of course - convinced all the whacked-out doomer goons that he's some sort of American warrior, instead.  

Hilarious, if not pathetic. It's a disgrace to the true patriots of America.

Go plant some ham seeds. 



Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:17 | 1153401 gordengeko
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So the credit enslavement system of the british empire is the way to go right?  You just told everyone what side you are on, lemme guess you probably have an MBA, CPA or CFA or some other designation you've received from one of these euro-eugenic-keynesian institutions right?  The battle is on, good luck.  Troll or deliberate ignorance = one in the same. 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:39 | 1153691 Let them all fail
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OR, here is a novel idea from a 25-year old who thinks that our system is completely fucked up: don't buy things you can't afford, if you have to buy something with a credi card and can't pay it off right away or afford the ridiculou interest they charge, maybe you shouldn't have bought it in the first place. When someone takes a loan or uses a credit card, it is not free money, it is a loan which you have agreed to pay back, nobody made you take that loan. 

That said, if someone wants to default on their credit card I don't really care, I don't want those companies getting the money anyways, just don't act like a patriot about it, its like when Obama says we go into Libya for their people, its just a lie used to justify the actions.  Whether the person saying the lie has convinced themself that its true is irrelevant.

And pay your damn taxes for the public services that you do use, otherwise you are by definition no better than our government, leeching off others' hard earned money.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:22 | 1153757 chumbawamba
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I was smug and ignorant at 25 also.  Do yourself a favor and borrow a clue:

I've explained at length what and why I did what I did and don't need to regurgitate it here.  You can find it in the ZH comments.  But regardless of motives, and whether or not I'm a deadbeat are irrelevant.  You perfect worlders seem to think all is still rosy and peachy, and somehow don't notice the guy ramming his cock into your ass this very moment.


If you are still living that life then you are either a parasite of the system, and therefore a burden on everyone, or you are running on vapors and either don't know it or are ignoring the evidence.

The system died in 2008.  They managed to revive life functions but the brain is dead, and so the bankers took over the decision making process.  Did you not happen to fucking notice this?  The so-called "President" just openly and brazenly violated the Constitution without even feigning an attempt to justify it.  He just straight up said, "War, niggers!" and off they went.  Did you not appreciate the ramifications of this?


Do you fucking get it?

This is a war between YOU and people who do not give a shit about YOU.  They only care about you insofar as they can exploit you for capital and labor, and then slaughter you like a used up milk cow and render you into fodder for the next round.

If you want to continue merrily "paying your way" in this system?  Be my fucking guest.  But I'm sorry, I will resist.  I will defy.

I will not obey, mother fucker.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:42 | 1153809 Let them all fail
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I agree with you, just don't apparenly agree with how to go about doing something about it.

I am well aware the our elected officials don't give a fuck about me unless I have the money to make them care, based on which I assure you they don't care about my opinion.  However, defaulting on your debts is not necessrily patriotic, neither is not paying taxes.  They may be strategically beneficial to you personally and smart financially for you, or maybe not depending on your situation, I don't know.  But they make no difference in the big picture, your small amout of default does not bother them unless its done on an absolutely massive scale where millions agree to all do it together. 

Until then, what you are doing is in your own self interest, go ahead and encourage others to join you, I would actually love to see people all together refuse to pay their debts because I both think that our credit system has been shoved down our throats to get people to take on debts they could never repay and I also simply enjoy choas.

I will not be doing so because I'd rather not have any debts to be slave to, but thats just me. 

Anyways, don't take things so personally, we are on the same side, if you want to encourage others to join you and truly feel what you are doing is right you should educate others instead of taking the lecture-like tone you have where you say a lot yet very little, like a philosopher.

I am definitely not Chumbawamba

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:52 | 1154225 WaterWings
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The system is dead. Over. The political process with it. Votes don't matter anymore. The time for civil discourse is over. We are on the hook for unpayable debts - try feeling good about that. Your personal debt is insignificant because unless you practice loud and proud civil disobedience you are a just another slave that must continue to play their part; hauling cut stones to build the pyramids.

Get it?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 22:39 | 1154302 chumbawamba
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Exactly.  The old order is irrelevant, unless you continue to patronize it and give over your hard earned capital and labor willingly, like an idiot.

And as far as being a philosopher, you're damn right I am.  But I didn't just come up with this philosophy in a vacuum and pretend it works.  I live this shit.  So you'll excuse me for being offended at your continued servitude to your slave master.  May your chains rest lightly on your shoulders.

I see everyday how people who stand down and forfeit their inherent rights get rolled over like garbage, because that's what they are!  Anyone who doesn't respect themself enough to stand up before a corrupt system and refuse to be bullied deserves to get railroaded.

I know the empowerment defying a corrupt system gives one because I've experienced it first hand.  I've gone toe to toe with sheriff's deputies, court administrators, the head of facilities for the entire State of California Judicial system, etc.  I talk to these people as my servants, because that's what they are, having chosen that role willingly and voluntarily.  Once you establish their place in your life, they will take you as seriously as you deserve to be.

You can continue to fear your government, but I refuse.  I withdraw my Consent, which is my Right.  This government and nearly everyone in it broke their oath to uphold the Constitution.  That contract is broken.  Why do you continue to respect an agreement that the other side is brazenly violating?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 03:55 | 1154577 AnAnonymous
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So the credit enslavement system of the british empire is the way to go right?  You just told everyone what side you are on, lemme guess you probably have an MBA, CPA or CFA or some other designation you've received from one of these euro-eugenic-keynesian institutions right?  The battle is on, good luck.  Troll or deliberate ignorance = one in the same. 


In UK, rather easy to find people who support the idea that anyone showing a US earned diploma in the economics field should not be employed.

Betting against an always favourable future, one of growth, is the US way of economics, inherited from the great expansion wave of the 19th century. When the US bet that there would always be more Indian land to rob and that ends in the GD.


There is nothing alien in the US economy. Ben Bernanke did not learn his economics in Zimbabwe. Mugabe is a copy cat.

The big delusion of making the current situation the result of an alien influence.

The situation is the result of US economics.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 11:26 | 1154864 nmewn
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"In UK, rather easy to find people who support the idea that anyone showing a US earned diploma in the economics field should not be employed.

"inherited from the great expansion wave of the 19th century. When the US bet that there would always be more Indian land to rob..."

Well well well...the man without a country reveals himself as having one...and it is British...LOL.

So when England was doing that whole world domination thingy (you know, African slave trading, conquering people across the planet for fun & profit including both sets of Indian's...sub-Asian & North American) those transgressions should be overlooked as an encapsulated moment in time which has no relevence to America's past?

Don't you think you should be giving that loot back?...your ancestors stole it ya know.

I knew you were a leftist europeon dingbat stuck in a time warp from the moment I laid eyes on your obnoxious posts.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:22 | 1153935 SheepHerder
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@McGoldrick here's something I'd like you (and anyone who agrees with you) to refute.

Let's say you and I make a contract that I will loan you $100 and you will pay me back at the end of the month.  Well two weeks into the month, I break into your home and steal $200 worth of cash and $300 worth of valuables.  My question to you (and anyone else) is would you honor your promise to pay me back the $100 after you found out?

I doubt most people would.

I'll use 2008 as an easy clear-cut case for theivery.  In 2008 an ex-Goldman exec went to Congress and told them unless they gave the banks $700 billion of our tax dollars the economy would fail.  Taxpayers vehemently opposed and Congress said no first time around.  The bankers came back again with the same shit and this time Congress gave them our money. They took our money, ramped up the stock market and paid out big bonues (while unemployment increased, inflation increased, wages went stagnant, government debt ceiling skyrocketed, etc.). 

Did I mentioned they paid out big bonuses?  That's like me stealing your shit and then coming over your house and saying, hey look what I got.

So my question to you is, how can your really demonize someone who decides to break their contractual agreement after being robbed?  If you wouldn't pay back a friend or family member that did this to you, how can you elevate the banking institution and be okay with that.  The only thing I can think of is fear and indoctrination.  

If you can't refute my  line of logic, then I'll say what I initially wanted to say when I read your post...go fuck yourself.


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 23:06 | 1154332 The Rock
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Sun, 04/10/2011 - 00:29 | 1154428 chumbawamba
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Man, thanks for that excellent analogy.  This is what I've been saying since 2008.  Some people get it, but too many simply do not.  And I wonder: what's it going to take to reach those knuckleheads?

Or can they be reached?

Sadly, I think with some people the answer is simply no.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 11:46 | 1154882 Mark McGoldrick
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And there's Chumbawamba!  My favorite racist deadbeat, who equates bankruptcy proceedings with Medal Of Honor ceremonies.  

I must admit, I'm quite surprised that you turned into such a pussy yesterday - couldn't muster the nerve to battle wits with me, could you?  At first, I thought Tyler had converted the Captcha question into an Experian check, and you couldn't make it through the front door anymore. But then I saw you spewing your garbage around the bottom of this thread, too embarrassed and nervous to defend yourself against my accusations directly.

This post of yours is the closest you've come to me all day, and it's only because you can hide behind someone else's comment which you feel has credibility.   

In fact, the analogy voiced above is nothing more than circular nothingness.  Our representatives gave full legal authority for TARP; it wasn't stolen. 99% of TARP has been repaid and it actually yielded $20 billion in profits for taxpayers. No banker walked into your house and stole your television. Now, am I ok with TARP?  No, I'm not.  I think it sucked balls for a million reasons. Does that give me the right to steal from my creditors, in turn?  No.  

All you're doing is trying to weave together a strawman argument to excuse the fact you're a deadbeat who doesn't want to pay his bills and honor your signature. You may find a bunch of doomer goons to agree with you around here, but you are EXACTLY what's wrong with this country. No one, from subprime house flippers to credit card warriors to derivative traders on Wall Street to politicians in Washington want to take responsibility for their actions.  This was/is a systematic failure across the whole of our society.  It's pathetic, and you're part of it. 

If you sign a contract, fucking honor it.  If you take out debts, pay it fucking back without hiding behind a manifesto about fractional reserve banking. If you truly feel so passionate about the evils of our banking system, then you shouldn't have attempted to buy on credit in the first place. It's so convenient to get passionate about fractional reserve banking when you're VISA bill is due, isn't it?

There are too many frauds and losers and leeches and thieves within our system.  You're no warrior or revolutionary, fighting to change America.  You're a delusional deadbeat who suddenly joined a cult of doomer goons right when the debt collectors start ringing.  You are part of the problem, not the solution. 






Sun, 04/10/2011 - 18:57 | 1155883 chumbawamba
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You're a stupid fucking cunt.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:00 | 1159077 SheepHerder
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Wow, $20 billlion profit!  How'd they make that money?  I mean what'd they invest in?  And GDP went up as well during that time.  It was crazy.  Well not quite because government spending drove the GDP increase.  But still it was awesome that GDP didn't go down, while unemployment went up to 10%, small businesses went under and corporate layoffs soared.  Lucky governemnt.  Well there was the treasury debt that was issued.  Do you know about those?  How the taxes pay for the interest?  I don't completely understand it either, but it's crazy.  Not as crazy as $20 billion in profit though.  On $700 billion bailout us taxpayers made almost 3% interest.  That's fucking awesome dude!  Especially given how those same banks only pay me about 1% on my savings.  And with my local gas prices rising 3% a week, I'll take all the interest I can get.  That was so nice of the banks wasn't it?   It was a good deal for the banks too, since all that money was lent to them at 0% interest.  I wonder what they invested in?  That interest is still bugging me.  Who pays treasury bill interest?  I have a five year old.  You have any kids?    Me and her mother divorced a year ago.  Child care is a bitch, but hey I love her and make sure to pay more than I owe to look out for her future.  Don't want to be a deadbeat.  But I digress...those interest payments are going to be bitch.  April 19th is right around the corner huh.  Interesting times.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 03:40 | 1154574 AnAnonymous
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Let's say you and I make a contract that I will loan you $100 and you will pay me back at the end of the month.  Well two weeks into the month, I break into your home and steal $200 worth of cash and $300 worth of valuables.  My question to you (and anyone else) is would you honor your promise to pay me back the $100 after you found out?


The US citizens did worse on the Indians and others later.


US tax payer money is so drivel. Unfortunately, it seems that the duplicity natural to US citizens keeps them from admitting that the US system could work with no taxes, meaning that the US citizens are irrelevant to their elite (hence a feeling of insecurity as the US elite could offload them anytime)

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:03 | 1159081 SheepHerder
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My ancestors were brought over as slaves, so what's your point?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 09:11 | 1154734 BigJim
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A Statist troll?

No, that's not in question, what's in question is whether you're paid for it.

Let's examine this whole 'honoring your debts' thing, shall we? The banks create 90% of the borrowed money out of thin air (try researching 'fractional reserve banking'). I'd say if Chumba has paid back 10% of his debt, with maybe another 4% pa for admin costs and honest bank profit, he's 'honored' his debts.

Your AIG analogy makes no sense whatsoever, by the way.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 10:22 | 1153172 Another Texan
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While I agree with your statements, Chumbwamba will only in up costing the remainder of the "taxpayers" due to his perceived fight against the machine.  It takes our effort to elect an official who can change the system.  Thats what a democracy is about.  No more sitting around positing on blogs all night, and take action.  Run for office, if you are so inclined.  Most here seem to stop at words.  If you dispise the system this much move to Libya.  I hear they need some additional "dissenters."

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 10:31 | 1153184 The Rock
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The system is completely broken.  Running for office won't work.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 11:32 | 1153230 cosmictrainwreck
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hasn't every single candidate for anything always promised "change"? did you see Jon Stewart's re-cap of John McCain over 20-some years (30?): same line every time "gonna change it, by God". NOT. Failure rate = 100%, across the board. this would be a statistical indication that................ 

try winning the lottery

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:19 | 1153287 CH1
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Elections are irrelevant.

"America" is over. If you care, take action and build something better.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:26 | 1153672 Confused
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Part of what you say, makes sense in theory. But if you've been paying attention the last few years, you know that its bullshit. 


Run for office? If you despise the system move? 


And for the record. Dissent is about as American as you can get. The country was founded on it. 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:53 | 1154228 WaterWings
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JUNK. We were never a democracy. And now we are no longer a Republic.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 06:29 | 1153012 Broder_Tuck
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Still, between the two of you it's you who come of like a douche.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 08:24 | 1153078 BigJim
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C'mon, M'GoldPig, admit it - what really upsets you is that Chumba's not paying 'his' tax.

You're worried your masters' income stream might dry up if enough of us did the same thing.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 08:31 | 1153088 Holodomor2012
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Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:33 | 1153311 Lednbrass
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You make a fine slave Mr. Mc Suckdick.  Your focus on meaningless semantics makes the Ministry of Truth proud of such a fine product.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 22:14 | 1154270 UninterestedObserver
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If you think the Fed and banks are providing any "service" except fucking everyone and making everyone poorer while enriching themselves then you sir, are a fucking moron.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 03:46 | 1154576 AnAnonymous
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If you can't change reality, just change the definitions.


US citizens have troubles depicting themselves as they are.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:37 | 1152205 SaulA
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Maybe you need a good divorce lawyer.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:43 | 1152223 Seer
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I agree with you on principle.  Some, however, use this as an excuse to not share: if one deprives from the federal government then I'd hope that they pay their social dues in their local community: pay your own way, it's the libertarian way- you use roads or other such, then you should contribute to paying for their construction and maintenance.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:07 | 1152285 BigJim
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Roads existed long before income tax, fiat currencies, the Federal Reserve...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:18 | 1152312 Gold 36000
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not very good roads.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 12:20 | 1153283 CH1
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Anything the state does, entrepreneurs can do better.

True in 1910, true now, and it was true in 1910BC.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:24 | 1153775 chumbawamba
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Government didn't build those roads, contractors did.  Business folks, engineers, people who actually produce.

All government did was extract the money by threat of force from the People.

They don't actually know how to build anything, but they're good at collecting taxes!

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 00:29 | 1154275 UninterestedObserver
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LOL THE ROADS - what a fucking pathetic joke. Govt is run by morons if you want proof go look up Palumbo in Illinois. They built shit roads for decades and finally got busted by the feds for bribery. Palumbo gets shut down and then his cousin starts Orange Crush and then they win the road contracts.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:19 | 1152326 Max Hunter
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In addition, it's my understanding that the taxes on fuel pay for the roads... Or at least the bulk of it..

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:26 | 1152350 Arkadaba
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Well that is what they tell you .... Actually, I don't know but might be worth looking up.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 06:42 | 1153021 flacorps
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Tires too.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:31 | 1152363 nmewn
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"it's the libertarian way- you use roads or other such, then you should contribute to paying for their construction and maintenance."

It's called a gas tax.

One can't use a vehicle on the roads without buying gasoline...first.

Now about those snobby ass cross country bicyclists with those little tiny mirror's on their helmets who see me coming up behind them from a mile away...and insist on clogging the road three abreast...a little "social" common courtesy might be in order before I accidently graze an elbow with my mirror.

Just sayin ;-)

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 22:02 | 1152449 Broker NotBroke
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Grow up, cyclists drive cars just like you. Also they paid for those parts to be shipped and manufactured.


The problem isn't cyclists, It's a tragedy of the commons. Every road a private toll road and you don't have any of this shite. Probably get your potholes filled right quick too.



Fri, 04/08/2011 - 22:16 | 1152507 NOTW777
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"cyclists drive cars just like you"  not really. one just got crushed by a "car" near us.  I drive by the memorial on the side of the road every day. some of those cyclists get killed. 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:03 | 1152618 Broker NotBroke
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Serves them right, shouldn't have been breathin' all the taxpayer's air! That'll teach em!

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