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Guest Post: Destructive Capability Is No Substitute For Freedom

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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man

Destructive Capability Is No Substitute For Freedom

I had the opportunity to tour Chile’s national military school
yesterday. As you may know, I spent some time in the military myself in
places that were not especially pleasant, so the visit was quite
meaningful for me.

My host was a particular gung-ho Chilean Army officer; curiously, he
told me that many of his fellow officers in Chile petitioned the
government to authorize a deployment of soldiers to Iraq and
Afghanistan. They want to participate in the action, if for no other
reason than for the opportunity to improve training at home.

Chile’s politicians wouldn’t hear of it, their response being
something slightly more eloquent than “no way in hell are we sending
Chileans to die in that f’ing desert.” My host seemed rather
disgruntled.

“Trust me,” I said, “you don’t want to go over there… and you should
consider yourself lucky that your civilian leadership has the good sense
to boycott the conflict. There is nothing good waiting for you in Iraq
or Afghanistan.”

Young, gung-ho soldiers just want to get in the fight and don’t think
much about morality, cost, or danger… so it was incredibly encouraging
to hear how opposed his government was to the idea.

I further explained that, when I was at West Point in the post-Desert
Storm era, the biggest thing we had to prepare for was the conflict in
the Balkans. After graduation, things changed; the embassy bombings in
Africa, the USS Cole, then the September 11th incident, all
revolutionized the US military’s role.

In the 1980s, there was one single enemy… and the entire US military
was focused on the Soviet Union. When the wall fell, the US aimlessly
wandered the 1990s as the world’s policeman until ultimately adopting
the role of ‘pre-emptive strike force’ in the 2000s (assuming official
explanations are to be believed).

During my own career, I realized that the military was little more
than a blunt instrument for bureaucrats to achieve political gain. I
remember the night before the invasion of Iraq in 2003 so clearly: as
all the forces were huddled at the border in Kuwait waiting to advance, I
couldn’t stop thinking about the people on both sides who were about to
die because George W. Bush had something to prove.

In the subsequent years, little has come from that conflict other than shattered lives, lost limbs, and a mountain of debt.

You can peel back the onion further and question the benefits of
nearly every conflict– Mogadishu under Clinton, Panama under Bush I,
Grenada under Reagan, the entirety of the Vietnam War under five
presidents, the invasion of Greece in 1947, the occupation of Haiti in
the 1920s… Cuba, the Philippines, Mexico, etc.

There are scores of other instances going all the way back to the
late 1700s. And for what? To install a ruthless, puppet dictator? To
maintain the country’s addiction to oil? To expand America’s domain
until it matches the size of its government’s ego?

Libya is simply the latest in an endless string of folly. This logic
of “let’s indiscriminately bomb a country in order to protect the
civilians” can only come from the mind of a politician who quantifies
benefit in votes and awards taxpayer money to defense contractors that
make warfare more lethal.

Consider that there are entire industries with some of the most
brilliant minds on the planet dedicated to making the military more
‘powerful’, i.e. deadly.

Today, politicians can watch a predator drone or stealth bomber rain
death and destruction on a foreign population from his plasma screen.
They brag about their smart bombs (which are racking up the civilian death toll) or how powerful their nuclear arsenal is, as if the efficiency of one’s destructive power is honorable.

Donald Rumsfeld famously used the phrase “shock and awe” as a
promotional tool during the invasion of Iraq. It was something for the
press to latch onto and fill the country with a dreamy spin on the
military’s ability to exterminate foreigners like cockroaches.

They show us videos of massive explosions and Americans shriek like chimpanzees in boastful approval. Not exactly a far cry from the Roman Colosseum, is it?

In reality, there’s nothing romantic about this; the ability to kill
efficiently should not be a source of pride. And the fact that a small
group of elites has the power to send thousands of people to fight, die,
and kill, as well as cajole an entire society into tacit support, is a
total aberration of humanity.

Our descendents will surely look back on this time and wonder how we
could have been so foolish– to let these people rob our freedoms;
destroy our economies; kill foreigners on their home soil; and shower
themselves with Peace Prize medals… all while keeping society quietly
subdued with games, tricks, and bombastic patriotism.

They tell us to wave the flag, to buy yellow ribbon bumper stickers,
and to remember the fallen on days like today. Truthfully, though, the
memories of the fallen would be much better honored if the government
quit making more of them… and stopped destroying the freedom that they
supposedly died to defend.

* If you have ever doubted that freedom is on the decline, just watch this video recently shot at the Jefferson Memorial of all places.

 

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Mon, 05/30/2011 - 22:10 | 1324114 BigJim
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Keep working on that sense of humour, Trav. You'll get there eventually.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 20:07 | 1323498 gwar5
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I only mentioned 100k+  because that is the figure ( conservative) that has been mentioned and documented by people who have studied the facts on the ground. 100 Billion would be a lot, even considering the current gene pool. 

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 06:10 | 1324698 AnAnonymous
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I can tell they are vastly underestimated. Fictional actions that never happen are always under estimated.

On my spare time, I work at preventing nuclear incidents. Without all my dedication consuming an average of 22 seconds once every blue moon, you will not get one Fukushima now and then but 8,541 Fukushima every 30 years.

You can not quantify the value of my work but I can tell you, it is vastly underpaid.

And the data I can provide to support all that will be directly proportional to the money I can charge from the various institutions interested in getting such conclusions.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:50 | 1322812 DosZap
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gwar,

You will likely never read that the gun crime stats are lower each year, and more weapons are on the streets, and privately owned.

More children drown in 5 gallon buckets, or swimming pools, than die from firearms.

Take out the drug cartels, and gang deaths it would be cut by half again.They deserve it,so they don't count.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 20:06 | 1323490 gwar5
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Correctamundo!

If one eliminates the urban (gang) homicides (MSA homicides), the homicide rates in the USA are essentially the same as Canada and Western Europe (2.5 per 100k). Law abiding gun owners are effectively involved in statistically zero homicides in the USA.

The people doing the homicides (about 15K per year, USA) are mostly career criminals who should not have weapons in the first place due to current laws. More gun restrictions only disarm the law abiding citizens more and put targets on their backs.

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 03:46 | 1324635 Seer
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"I believe in a strong military capability."

So do interventionalists.

But... how "strong" is strong?  People can throw out all kinds of shallow shit that sounds good, but how about qualifying?  Are you willing to have your ass taxed to death for YOUR "strong" military?

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 12:23 | 1322625 LeBalance
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Co-existence with government for the awake is continual rape. Illusions and lies are all the garb we have to let ourselves sleep.  But what sleep is that?

Sleep of the sheep?  Wait for the knives?

(1) Oil continues to flow // dispersant keeps it out of mind (if you want).

(2) N. Hemisphere is done, thanks Fukushima.  (and thanks Helen Caldicott for saying things that I could not say to myself that are completely obvious.)

(3) Do you exist with your rapist in a Stockholm Syndrome relationship?  How else eh?  They hold all the power and all the reigns, right?

These are the personal things I wrestle with.

Do not be fooled by folks who say: "They have stolen your freedoms."  Those people are dangerous.  They are mis-educated.

No freedom exists.  No rights exist without achievement such that everyone recognizes that the individual deserves respect and deference.  That is personal power.

"Inalienable rights" is a device used to make you think that you have to do NOTHING to get ahead.

Kick some ass, be a gentleperson, and kick some more ass, and in the balance and partnership with all you will be recognized not as a Nice person but as a person who Commands respect and if you do it right, love.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 12:43 | 1322670 Quixotic_Not
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"Inalienable rights" is a device used to make you think that you have to do NOTHING to get ahead.

It was unalienable (in the final release), you statist boot licker...

 

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Which is derived directly from this, the legal precedent:

The state of nature has a law of nature to govern it, which obliges every one: and reason, which is that law, teaches all mankind, who will but consult it, that being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions ~ John Locke 1690

    Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience. ~ John Locke 1690

But don't let that stop you and your mongrel tribe from demanding The New Feudalism and your need for the Divine Rights of Kings...

Objectivism says there are only two kinds of people in this world; creators and parasites.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:57 | 1322974 Rodent Freikorps
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You should focus on "endowed by their Creator" since that means rights do not derive from government, they come from God.

Therefore, government can not legitimately take them away.

Anyone who gives you something can also take it away.

That is why I hate Liberals. Government is their god. God does not oppress. Governments do.

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 01:40 | 1324560 StychoKiller
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(Yes, I know what "Liberal" really means -- just substitute "Progressive Socialist" for Liberal...)

The Six Problems With Modern Liberalism

1) You really didn't learn everything you needed to know in kindergarten:  Liberals love to think of themselves as sophisticated, nuanced intellectuals, but the truth is they have a kindergartner's view of the world. If it has been defined as "nice" to people they like, they're for it. If it has been defined as "mean" to people they like, they're against it -- and that is about as deep as it gets. Unfortunately, that lack of adult perspective isn't so cute in political leaders who are making life and death decisions that may still have ramifications fifty years from now.

2) "Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition." -- Ann Coulter:  Somewhat ironically, given the hostile relationship that has developed between the Left and Christianity, liberal beliefs have more in common with religious doctrine than a political agenda. There is no significant debate on the Left about the aims of their agenda -- and the only "sins" believers can commit against their religion are no longer being politically useful, deviating from doctrine, or worst of all, cooperating with conservatives in some fashion. No matter how much evidence piles up that big government doesn't work, that welfare destroys families, and that socialism doesn't bring prosperity, it makes no impact on liberals because their dogma is based on faith, not logic.

3) "It is not human nature we should accuse but the despicable conventions that pervert it." -- Denis Diderot: There is no dream more eternal in the liberal heart than completely remaking human nature. If we could all just care about the person across the world as much as we do our families, we could live in a utopia! Unfortunately, in practice, human nature tends to be quite a bit more difficult to subvert than in the liberal imagination.  That's why, despite more than 5,000 years of human civilization, very little progress has been made in this area - but, oh, the Left is still trying.  One day, if they just spend enough money on the right government programs, all the wars will end and everyone will be living in identical million dollar mansions while we spend our days humming tunes from the latest Woodstock Tribute Album.

4) "Oh what a tangled web we weave, when at first we practice to deceive." -- Sir Walter Scott:  Like freaky religious cults, liberals have become adept at hiding their more abhorrent views from the public until it's too late.  It's common to see liberals adamantly deny that they hold a position over and over again only to completely switch sides the moment they have one more vote than they need to pass legislation. Whether it's lying about their opponents or what they believe, honesty is certainly not considered to be the best policy on the Left.

5) "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye." -- Matthew 7:3-5: Despite the fact that liberals love few things better than to cry "hypocrisy," there is a rather bizarre disconnect between what modern liberals seem to believe about themselves and how they behave.  Liberals believe that they're compassionate, but only with other people's money. They tie themselves in knots trying to come up with valid reasons why terrorists hate the United States, but they never give a moment's thought to whether the people who dislike them might have a point.  They pat themselves on the back for helping minorities, but never stop to consider that liberal policies have done more damage to black Americans in the last fifty years than the KKK could have done in a millennium. Somehow, stunning hypocrisies of this sort, which are too numerous to recount without doing a whole other column, never seem to be bother anyone on the Left.

6) "Trust yourself. You know more than you think you do." -- Benjamin Spock:  It's great to have a healthy self-image, but there's not much to be said for thinking you're smarter than the collective wisdom and traditions passed down through human history just because you happen to read the Daily Kos.   Unbecoming arrogance of this sort permeates modern liberalism.  The most grave of decisions are undertaken by the modern Left without the slightest regard for the potential consequences.  Past disasters created by similar bouts of whimsical thinking, of which there are many, are treated as acts of God untethered from mere human decision making and prompt no self reflection whatsoever.  That's because to the modern liberal, the real world results of their policies are secondary in importance to the amount of positive self-esteem generated by supporting that policy.

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 03:50 | 1324636 Seer
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"You should focus on "endowed by their Creator" since that means rights do not derive from government, they come from God."

Clearly you show that you're no fucking smarter.

The bulk of the founders were deists, hence the CAREFUL selection and use of "creator."  Not a single mention of "God" anywhere.  Further, why the fuck would "God" channel through a fucking government?  Separation of govt and religion is a good idea, lest one corrupt the other...

Note that I am not in disagreement with the premise that govt should not control my life, but I also apply this to any members of any clergy (or administrators of any religious sect).

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:57 | 1322825 DosZap
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"I--Unalienable rights" is a device used to make you think that you have to do NOTHING to get ahead.

 

Only for Progressives,Left wingers,  and Commie bstds.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 15:47 | 1323069 cosmictrainwreck
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+5 the dude was rambling, semi-incoherent, self-contradictory and generally confused.... sorry he's having to "wrestle" with all that heavy shit. I should post as "reply" to original... maybe will... but unalienable rights ain't got nothin' to do with "getting ahead" WTF

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 12:33 | 1322650 Stuck on Zero
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My favorite illuminati bumper sticker is: "Support Your Troops."  It seems to me that if you really support your young men you will bring them home. 

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:20 | 1322766 oklaboy
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bring them home to what? a socialist/ marxist president? A whore/slut/rag  first bitch? A bankrupt nation/ Get on food stamps? Look for a job in Detroit? War is creative destruction at it's best, and we are good at it.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:52 | 1322818 Alcoholic Nativ...
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So we are good at bankrupting the nation.  Awesome.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 19:31 | 1323434 Alasdair
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"Home to what?"  Wrong question.  Should be: "Home FROM what?"  Granted things are totally hosed here, but how about bringing them back from a war zone?

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 03:56 | 1324639 Seer
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Marxist?  Sigh, another stupid knee-jerking from a programmed political drone...

You'd have been fine if you'd just left out the 2nd and 3rd sentences.

And no, I didn't vote for TPTB's current puppet (I dont' vote for ANY of them).

Sadly, it's your mindset that will condemn us to repeated failures.  Not because you hate socialism or Marxism, but because you can't grasp the basic characteristics of populations (growth leading to collapse).

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 12:43 | 1322678 AgShaman
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Thanks Simon Black

1) Boycott "illusory patriotic functions"

2) Accuse military officers of treason (refuse to shake their hands....remind them of how they are breaking their "oaths of office")

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 12:47 | 1322688 Rodent Freikorps
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Si vis pacem, para bellum, bitchez.

 

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:01 | 1322724 AnAnonymous
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The US duplicitous way of doing works better:

If you want peace, wage war all the time and state that war is peace.

Thus is US peace.

The US citizen nature is eternal.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:29 | 1322779 Rodent Freikorps
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How about those French and Brit war planes over Libya?

 

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:52 | 1322817 AnAnonymous
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When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

In this US driven world, better to walk the walk.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:57 | 1322830 Rodent Freikorps
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What caused this amazing change in attitude from our good, and faithful "allies" on the continent?

 

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 04:03 | 1324644 Seer
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Geezus, you still hung up on Freedom Fries BS?

Just as the US two party system runs in (fascist) lockstep, so to do the western powers.  Anyone believing that there's any real difference between the US, Britain, Germany and France is failing to see the big gameboard.  Lybia's oil in western hands is all that is necessary, that's the aim.  The US would do it on its own if it were politically pallatible: because it is not, the US channels it's desires through NATO- this ensures that the table is open to the US (when divvying up the goods).

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 17:32 | 1323194 sun tzu
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Of course. The roots of all evil can be traced back to America. Nothing is anybody's fault. Blame the system. The Man is out to get you. You simpletons are pathetic.

The center of the financial world is London, Not NYC. OPEC has more effect on oil prices than Exxon and Chevron. The universe does not revolve around America. Grow up. 

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 22:14 | 1324120 BigJim
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I have one word for you, zu: petrodollar.

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 04:05 | 1324645 Seer
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Are you saying the root of all evil is London?  No evil existed in the world before London came to be?

Pot calling the kettle black?

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 06:14 | 1324701 AnAnonymous
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Of course. The roots of all evil can be traced back to America. Nothing is anybody's fault. Blame the system. The Man is out to get you. You simpletons are pathetic.

 

Yep, all evil is rooted in the US. Even the Great Fire of London that happened in 1666.

Is this line of defense allowed in the US courts? Just wondering rhetorically.

Claiming that you committed every crime in human history, in order to get away with your actual crimes? Does it work?

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:58 | 1322827 Shell Game
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Yep, no other way.  Just let's do a self-check and make sure we're not making up the wars we prepare for, and try to recall dangerous liberty..

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 18:16 | 1323273 thriftymost
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Si vis pacem, para bellum, bitchez.

Switzerland's been living that motto the past several hundred years. They're the only really Catholic country in the world.  Sorry, Ireland, Poland, Spain, et al. There's a perfectly good reason the pope maintains a Swiss guard, and not an Irish or a Polish or a Brazilian one. Only Switzerland, in spite of its large Calvinist minority, really lives, breathes and functions as a Catholic state, always prepared for war, always intending peace.  

America is the anti-Switzerland, always starting wars, never prepared for war or peace.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:10 | 1322723 Monedas
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Remember that young CIA operative that was killed at Tora Bora while guarding a bunch of POWS ? The details were never spelled out ? Thank God you have Monedas thinking for you ! The details weren't revealed because they weren't very flattering to the CIA ! This is how Monedas has reconstructed the event ! The young CIA operative was somewhat naive in the ways of terror and hate ! He was guarding about 60 terrorists, squating with their wrists zip tied behind their butts ! They were not happy campers ! They rushed the unsuspecting officer and bowled him over, swarmed over him and bit him to death like ship wrecked rats on a Greek isle ! Not a nice way to go ? Correct me if my fertile imagination got the better of me ! Monedas 2011 A mind for our times ! http://trololololololololololo.com/

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 04:10 | 1324648 Seer
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POWs?  Doesn't the "W" stand for War?  Did the US congress ever declare war?

Further, the CIA was never meant as a physical tool.  Another failure to adhere to fundamentals...

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:17 | 1322749 kumquatsunite
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ur descendents will surely look back on this time and wonder how we could have been so foolish– to let these people rob our freedoms; destroy our economies; kill foreigners on their home soil; and shower themselves with Peace Prize medals… all while keeping society quietly subdued with games, tricks, and bombastic patriotism.

_______

From above article...heck, what does it matter what we do on "foreign soil" when we are making our own country into "foreign soil" via immigrats. Lest we forget, Lyndon Johnson said we should never allow our country to be turned into a hotel/slum for foreigners and yet this is exactly what has been done. When Americans no longer feel they are in their own country, they have been cheated, lied to, and put on the cutting block of disintegration. Lest we forget, we were never ashamed of being white, english-speaking, Christian, capitalist, and jingoistic, and that worked. As to the "diversity" thing, that was to address our beloved black Americans, and we would have figured it out (they, by the way, must do their part by hoisting up the children's pants and boxing their ears...moving on...). As is, our colleges are being gutted with foreigners (find an American student in the engeering classes! Intel has ranted about this...we are told our kids are too stupid to be engineers or physicians and thus we must import foreign students/docs/engineers...REALLY!! funny how we went to the moon on a slide rule). If you don't take back your country we are done. There are fifty to sixty million illegals here. Send all green carders home. End welfare and immigration and that's a good start. No more foreigners and boycott any business that says "press 1 for English"!

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 20:10 | 1323499 thefatasswilly
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So you must be indoamerican, then.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:17 | 1322751 Sqworl
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A veteran is someone who, at one point in his/her life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including my life."

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:23 | 1322770 Quixotic_Not
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A veteran is someone who, at one point in his/her life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including my life."

To be redeemed with parades of pomp & circumstance, preferential economic standing and close to unlimited bennies once the mercenary completes his contract.

Poor wittle warmongers...

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 15:04 | 1322988 Moe Howard
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What a pathetic little jealous winer you are, pussy. You want the great bennies? Get shot at, cunt. Then you will find out how little the bennies are. A retired LA cop gets about 8 times what a retired Army Staff Sergeant does. Ever been in a VA hospital, pussy? Go in there and start mouthing off your mercenary shit and unlimited bennies there. If you have the balls, which I don't think you do. Go outside and mouth off the same shit you just wrote here to the first veteran you see, pussy, I dare you. Cunt.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 16:00 | 1323086 cosmictrainwreck
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Concur, Moe. Methinks Snake is just a little too impressed with himself. Wonder when he last personally engaged in anything threatening (besides shoot-'em-up video games). Sorry, Quix, but in my world "ya gotta pay yer dues if....." In other words, if you aint "been there" STFD & STFU

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 16:54 | 1323153 JohnG
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He's just another troll posting from mommy's basement.  Don't feed him.

Carry on.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 22:20 | 1324146 BigJim
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_by_combat

I can't think of a better way to establish truth, can you?

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 04:17 | 1324651 Seer
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I don't particularly care for the guy(?), but where is anything he said incorrect?  Go check out any of the recruiting crap and you'll see pretty much what he's stating, sans the "mercenary" comment (but then again, people are already programmed with this mindset via all the computer war gaming crap, which, btw, recruiters also engage in as a tool [suckering in high-schoolers to play their shoot-em-up games]).  Granted, his delivery sucks, but that's to cause a reaction (got your attention did it not?).

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:15 | 1322754 oklaboy
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having a bad day? War is politics by other means. You forgot a few good wars?  Revolutionary, WW 2, Korea, Vietnam? Mankind has been fighting since the apple tree. It is our nature. Your piece wreeks of Vogue magazine, and Oprah has a slot for you in her network. Evidentally they cut your balls of at West Point. You dream of a Pax Romana , which never was. 

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:49 | 1322784 Monedas
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War is happily our defining characteristic ! It is the evolutionary mechanism that has most distanced us from our inept monkey ancestors ! Greed is good, war is the best ! Let's rejoice in our reality ! Our challenge is to make war more effective in promoting intelligent gene pool enhancement ! Monedas 2011 Me happy ! http://trololololololololololo.com/

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 04:25 | 1324655 Seer
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"War is the Health of the State" - Randolph Bourne (http://antiwar.com/bourne.php)

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:38 | 1322794 thriftymost
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If fighting were our nature, we'd have no cities or civilization.

Fighting may well be America's nature--if so, it will also be America's downfall. Other countries will see to it.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:54 | 1322814 Monedas
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We do not have a monopoly on war ! It is mankinds universal heritage ! You are a "Blame America Firster" ? Get over your obsession with America ! There's a fascinating, sick World out there to enjoy ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad World Sport Fuck

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:41 | 1322916 Britons
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It is mankinds universal heritage !

So, when was the last war you personally fought in?

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 15:09 | 1322993 Moe Howard
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Name the country that never fought a war.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 17:39 | 1323198 sun tzu
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I was led to believe that America is the root of all evil and the world would be a utopia if not for America. 

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 20:05 | 1323496 vocational tainee
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Monaco!

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 04:29 | 1324659 Seer
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"If fighting were our nature, we'd have no cities or civilization."

That's a bit of a big brush there... clearly we've seen several cities and civilizations crumble from war.

Perhaps to help what I believe is your intended argument, Peter Kropotkin's book Mutual Aid suggests that we are, by nature, more cooperative than combative, that there's no way that we could have achieved our population numbers if cooperation wasn't the greater force.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 15:14 | 1323013 Moe Howard
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Exactly. I have a son at West Point now. He is not a Oprah boy like the author.

Of course a real professional soldier would like to participate in combat.

It is the ultimate test of technical and tactical knowledge. Which army would best defend a country, and in fact respect life more, an Army salted with combat veterans or an army that has never seen war? The best men I ever served with wore the CIB, most of the trash never saw combat.

I have little respect for the author based on his article.

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 04:31 | 1324661 Seer
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All hail the praetorian guard!

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 07:53 | 1324757 BigJim
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So... if your son (god forbid) gets hurt or killed in Yemen, or Syria, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, or, one of the other scores of countries we see fit to poke our noses into, will you believe his sacrifice was for 'US interests'?

In this context, what is the 'US'? Is it the American soil and mountains? Is he serving the mighty Mississippi? Obviously not. Is it the average American citizen? Again, no.

Your son has volunteered to serve the interests of the US elites, which, I'm afraid, are directly contrary to the interests of the rest of us - invading countries that are no threat to us, killing people who are no threat to us, and squandering our resources.

I'm sure both you and your son think you're being patriotic. But you're both wrong. America's military is slaughtering civilians and needlessly stirring up hornets' nests all over the world, and your son has volunteered to contribute to our wars of aggression.

Of course a real professional soldier would like to participate in combat.

Well, anyone who 'likes' to participate in combat can't really complain if they receive some of what they're so keen to unleash on someone else - particularly when they've invaded that someone else's country. Think on that for a while, Moe.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:16 | 1322755 kumquatsunite
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http://www.federalnewsradio.com/index.php?nid=35&sid=2387275

 

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So the article says that the retirement for the post office is a problem...well, i'm fine with that since no one at the post office seems to speak english...and why is that? can you say "discrimination"! no natural born americans need apply? what is going on in the federal government that it is packing our government with foreigners? who is allowing this and why is it happening?

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:20 | 1322773 Widowmaker
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I agree with others, thank you for your service, and sharing your perspective.

The whole world knew George W. Bush was trying to prove something, and by something it was obviously nation-building for big oil.  The most disgraceful president in US history paved the road to self-enlightenment with lies and soldiers' lives, as far away from home as possible.

Next on the chopping block was the dramatic move towards Fascism, this time using money as the battlefield also under the complacency of none other than George W. Bush.    All one has to do is be mindful of what a parent feels when their child is punished in the classroom because of someone else's class clown kid acting out.  That is total bullshit, and no parent should stand for it.   Western banking has been circumvented by Fascist presidents acting like the class clown, and masquerading as capitalists.

Is it any wonder why the US government is entrenched with sympathy towards the pleading of Socialist banks, and willing to throw their own "soldiers" (savers and productive workers) in front of the failures of others?  Hell, now a spineless ignorant Congress wants to even go one step further and are trying to fabricate generational slaves, and poverty of the middle class to preserve their mistakes.

Mission accomplished.   Now, it's time to break apart 'too big to fail' Socialist organizations, the Fascist market participants behind them. Round up their perpetrators to be served justice, else the United States be destroyed, which you and countless others of us fight to preserve.

Remember, austerity is a tool of free market oppression with the intent of inhibiting true price discovery.  It's a financial weapon straight out of the Socialist playbook to insulate those at the top from failure. 

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:41 | 1322922 Alcoholic Nativ...
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George Soros.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 16:29 | 1323061 Widowmaker
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For every one you know, there are countless you don't, all over the world.  Globalization has cannibalized the very concepts that provided it's genesis.  Incorporated fraud is literally everywhere.

To show how devoid of principle these institutions are (and their directors, regulators, and BOD's), look how Wachovia turned a blind eye to the war on drugs.  This is the same war on drugs that threatens the US as a police state.  Patriot act ain't for terrorists, that's a fact (unless you define terrorist as one with discontent with the way things are heading)!

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:35 | 1322778 Quixotic_Not
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Warning Against the Search for "Monsters to Destroy," 1821

And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind?

Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government.

America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.

She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.

She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.

She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.

She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.

The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....

She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....

[America's] glory is not dominion, but liberty.

Her march is the march of the mind.

She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace.

This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice. ~ John Quincy Adams

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:47 | 1322807 Use of Weapons
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

The United States declared war on Britain for a number of reasons. As Risjord (1961) notes, an unstated but powerful motivation for the Americans was the desire to uphold national honor in the face of what they considered to be British insults (such as the Chesapeake affair).[3]

...Of the four, only Ratford was British-born; the other three sailors were American citizens who had served in the Royal Navy. Leopard carried the men to the ship HMS Halifax for trial. The British citizen, Ratford, was sentenced to death and hanged from the yardarm of HMS Halifax on August 31, 1807.[1] The three Americans were sentenced to 500 lashes each, but the sentence was later commuted, and the British government eventually offered to return them to the U.S. and pay reparations for damaging the Chesapeake.

***

Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

...

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.


Tue, 05/31/2011 - 04:46 | 1324666 Seer
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Are you trying to get me to like you? :-)

Very appropos, thank you.

As Smedley Butler stated in War Is A Racket: We must limit our military forces to home defense purposes.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 13:52 | 1322816 apberusdisvet
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The Globalists haven't had a successful war in years, but they keep pushing on to provide chaos to distract the sheeple from the theft of wealth, sovereignty, and human rights.  One thing to keep in mind:  the globalists are supported by the American military machine.  They cannot stop the wars, otherwise 100s of 1000s of soldiers would enter an economy with no prospects for employment in atmosphere of a 2nd Great Depression.  How long would these well trained soldiers stand by  and accept poverty without starting a revolution?

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:10 | 1322844 Rodent Freikorps
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Wow. Hundreds of thousands in a nation of 300 million.

Don't know how the nation could survive that.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 15:13 | 1323005 Use of Weapons
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In most situations, you can discount the morbidly obese from any equation.

So that's a couple of hundred thousand in a nation of 150 million.

Active serving: 1,580,255

Reserves: 864,547

Paramilitary: 11,035*

Total: 2,455,837

Total / 1000 capita: 7.9

Active total / 1000 capita: 5.1

Now, if you figure in the 50% of the nation who can barely waddle, let alone run around revolting, you've got 15.8 & 10.2. For reference, Greece is sitting on the impressive 37.1 & 14.6. Israel hits 103.6 & 24.4. Interestingly, this means that Israel is the 3rd most militarised society / Nation on earth, only being beaten by Eritrea and North Korea [although - I'd imagine figures for the Congo etc are hard to get accurately].

 

Of course, the USA keeps a majority of its forces out policing the Empire. But 1 in 10 isn't a healthy historical number, it has the associations with 'decimation' written all over it.

 

 

*I think this number is vastly under-reported, but there we go. Xe probably has good links to military / paramilitary groups around the world it can subcontract for.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 15:52 | 1323063 Rodent Freikorps
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I object to your BLS-ish abuse of statistics.

I think I heard them cry out in terror.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 16:33 | 1323133 Use of Weapons
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If you don't abuse the statistics, someone else will.

 

But I'm not joking about 150 million fatties being dead weight. At all.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 16:47 | 1323145 Rodent Freikorps
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That sucks.

No nation can recover from 51% being on the dole.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 19:51 | 1323465 Use of Weapons
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On the plus side, when peak oil hits, whale oil has a proven history of success.

150,000,000 units waiting to be plundered.

Just saying.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:04 | 1322820 TruthBeforeAll
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"...all while keeping society quietly subdued with games, tricks, and bombastic patriotism."

And don't forget illusionary investment growth brought on by computer manipulated markets.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:04 | 1322838 TruthBeforeAll
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All of these wars in the middle east are simply practice for the real enemy of the Harvard/Yale/MIT econimic and social engineering elites. That would be the average US citizen. You can already see the rise of the millitary mindset in many police forces around the country.

 

The Ivy League has done more than enough damage to this great nation, they need to be let go and replaced with those who actually care about their fellow man.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 17:43 | 1323201 sun tzu
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They created so many wonderful things like Facebook and MySpace

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:11 | 1322845 Kilgore Trout
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"Shock and awe...".   Didn't that used to be called Blitzkrieg?

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:32 | 1322890 Segestan
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Tell you're BS to the Kurds. Of course the world has always dreamed of peace, real leaders have always known they cannot lead a people without peace.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:34 | 1322894 Mec-sick-o
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Leonardo da Vinci had to do machines of war to fund his real interests.

We are approaching dangerous times as oil dependance remains and increases its use for human consumption (fertilizers, medications, plastics, transportation, etc).

I see rather alarming the way we continue to burn fuel just to power vehicles, as if oil were renewable.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:59 | 1322969 cosmictrainwreck
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a law of physics comes to mind: "an object in motion..." applies to all insanity in motion today, from your cite, to da gubbmint, to the Bernank, to ...... you name it. compounded by desperation of a junkie looking fo his next fix. sadly, the only solution, to either, is a BRICK WALL <splat> 

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 04:29 | 1324660 Mec-sick-o
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"BRICK WALL <splat>" LOL, I don't know if laughing or crying now.

Agree.  REALITY is the BRICK WALL.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:40 | 1322913 sellstop
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"All of human unhappiness comes from one single thing: not knowing how to remain at rest in a room."

Blaise Pascal

Every one of us has a burning in our heart, that desire to make our mark on the world. For most, the needs of just surviving everyday rob us of the time and the energy to take the steps to fulfill that desire, but in our few spare moments, among friends, and maybe after a few beers, we let all who will listen know that we, in our wisdom, know what would make things better. If only someone would listen. And that that man or women who is in the position of authority does not know what we know, does not see what we see. And if they ever did know things or see things as we see them, has been corrupted and is therefore weak, or even complicit, in a conspiracy to keep us voiceless and impotent.

But, as we castigate those who promised us salvation. Those who led us to believe that THEY could save us. That THEY could make the world a better place, while we sit and watch, we lose sight of the fact that we consider them to be more powerful than any of us. And they ARE more powerful than most of us, for we gave them that power in our support for the promises they made. But, just as some of us are more powerful than others in our own small circles, yet find others who more than match our influence, and stymie our will for the changes we seek, so also do those that we have thrust in front of us find that there are others with voices. They find that there are other leaders in the world who have different outlooks, different desires, and different expectations of the future. And those desires and expectations do not always co-incide with our expectations.

And thus we, sometimes are forced to admit that even as we attempt to project our collective power. Even as we push our visions of a world that would be the model of our vision, reality intrudes.

And that reality is the need of every human for survival, and those things that ensure survival. Food, and shelter. At the individual level. It is our instinct for survival that gives us this burning in our hearts. It is our instinct for survival that keeps us from being quiet even as our bellies are full and we are comfortable in our warm houses, watching our televisions for entertainment as the cat sleeps on our lap.

So, we grumble, and we agitate, and we blame those we elected for our indignitys, real and imagined. And our leaders, knowing that they depend on us for their power and survival, do what they can to keep us content. If they can't keep us quietly content then they focus our attention on someone or something besides them. For they know that we need someone, or some thing to blame for our minor irritations.

 And again, as we all bring to bear our collective wills, we focus the power of our society. And the focus of that power is often the victim of our power.

So we destroy that which we wanted to create. Prosperity.

And quietly and without fanfare we continue our lives of quiet desperation. A seething mass of humanity engaged in a personal struggle to survive.

Happy Memorial Day,

thanks to all of those who have been the point of our collective spears.

gh

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 15:59 | 1323028 Monedas
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Thriftymost ! Without the marvelous mechanism of war there would be no cities and civilization ! We'd be swinging on vines and scratchin' our ribs ! Leftists are soooo proud of themselves that they barely comprehend the mechanics of evolution ! They think no one else gets it ! They seek out Creationists to ridicule.....and in my opinion the Creationists, especially the Biblical scholars, cut them to pieces ! I don't mess with them ! I tend to believe evolution is in God's mix ! Anyway, these low brow Marxist evolutionists are uncomfortable with war as an evolutionary essential ! They also are uncomfortable that some monkeys are smarter than others (look at those Japanese island monkeys ?) and some humans may have more "evolutionary dominoes" in their gene pool history ! Suddenly, these Marxists discount evolution ! I am not a racist ! I do have some "Northern Latitudenist" (a term coined years ago by Monedas to explain why human societies that have had to deal with more challenging environments have distilled their gene pools to a finer liquor) leanings when I observe the differences in human societies ! There is no hate in my approach ! Therefore by definition I am not a racist and to call me one is the equivalent of using the "N" word ! Not really ! I'm not up tight ! Me happy ! Monedas 2011 http://trololololololololololo.com/ Have you ever seen a middle Earth Muslim with the joy for life that this young Russian singer has ? He's from the Northern Latitudes !

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 16:58 | 1323161 Atch Logan
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DosZap, thank you for your comments. Esp. that those who voluntarily signed up for the service, thus contributing/killing women, children, old men, etc., as well as guys trying to protect their country are "just following orders."

Well, little boy, this sounds like the Nuremburg defense:  well, duh, we killed all those jews and and old Russian men and women because we were following orders. What a crock.  Since you are so good with tripe, here is one you might understand: if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem: even if you are in the military. 

I hear your "we are just following orders" crap here in Kansas on a daily basis.  It is usually from morons who could not get a job outside of the military; if someone did not give them an order, they could not wipe their butt.

Are you one of these?  I think so.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 17:10 | 1323173 Atch Logan
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Oh, yeh, little boy.  All this medical experimentation taking place on prisoners in Gitmo and other (non)US prisons hidden around the world.  You probably think this is fine:  guys, like you and me, fighting to protect their invaded country, captured, put in prison and then medically experimented on.

You epitomize what is wrong with America hypocritically. You and yours make me totally ashamed to be an American. 

 

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 17:18 | 1323186 Fix It Again Timmy
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With the Atlantic ocean to our east, the Pacific ocean to our west, Canada to our north, and Mexico to our south - there is no nation on earth that could have the means to mount a sustained attack on the United States - it's just that goddamn simple.  Now, nuclear war is a different story; the only thing that could keep us out of that horrific scenario is behavior modification - it's just that goddamn simple.  Unfortunately, our leaders hate simple; it's no fun for them and they can't make any money...

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 18:29 | 1323295 nah
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Libya is like an expreiment... the globalists are just rolling the dice in africa, its not the harvard educated libyan zionist UN representatives whos opinion means a damn thing in them parts

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real people live in those cities

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Tue, 05/31/2011 - 09:27 | 1324965 celticgold
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