Guest Post: The Domination of Government And The Decline Of Self-Reliance And Community

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Wed, 05/18/2011 - 11:32 | 1287211 NOTW777
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conservatives and the tea party have been preaching self responsibility/discipline for some time.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:00 | 1287357 LawsofPhysics
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Yeah, that must be why Nixon (a conservative president) took us off the gold standard and every conservative president since has increased the deficit during their term.

Still believing in that two-party lie?  Your politicians speak for the central banking cartel and not you.

PMs demand accountability, because NO government representative, party shill, or harvard trained fuckwad economist can create them out of thin air.  Markets and economies that refuse to deal with the fraud they create will die as capital (in many forms) and talent will see the fraud and find another market to participate in.  History shows this over and over. 

I love how those "conservatives" love to have wars that they can not afford, yeah, that's discipline for you.  Care to bet me an ounce of gold that that "conservative"-controlled house of representatives will still vote to raise the debt ceiling?

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:02 | 1287399 BobPaulson
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Deconstructing the dualistic and simplistic model is a good place to start. Both sides thing the other is the childish "dark side" of the Force. For some it feels like an atavistic impulse that must be an inherent truth of the human condition. Sure, Marx said some smart things but the bipolar model reads like a fairy tale.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:13 | 1287453 LawsofPhysics
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Yes.  I guess the real question becomes, what happens when all the world markets become corrupt and capital and talent has no where to really "go" per se?  I'll hold my physical gold and silver just the same and still play the markets when obvious trades present themselves.  

One does wonder when do humans recognize the finite nature of their existence and devise an appropriate economic model?  Do they ever?  Just the same, I'll stay self-sufficient and make sure my neighbors do likewise.  I have this funny feeling that, regardless of the fiat currency in play, economies are going to become increasingly more "local".

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:50 | 1287636 ex VRWC
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I can only say, in a nutshell, your comment is far too indicative of the attitude around here.

You say the world markets are corrupt, then you say you play them when obvious trades present themselves.  Does that make you corrupt?

You cay that humans need to devise an appropriate economic model, and you say your strategy is to hold PMs.  Is that a component of an 'appropriate economic model?'

I am not picking on you in particular, I just find it striking how we can all talk about how corrupt and doomed it all is while strategizing how we play it for maximum advantage for ourselves.  

What constitutes a 'principled stand' in these times?  I don't think 'hold PMs and trade' is really it.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:01 | 1287720 LawsofPhysics
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"Does that make you corrupt?"

To do nothing, is to allow the corruption to continue.  I look for and support equities that bring real value to the economy.  I do my own homework and I still need to pay bills.  If everyone did the same thing, bad business models would eventually fail.  Get busy living or get busy dying dude. If you see a problem, get off your ass, do your homework and at least try to make a difference instead of just blogging about it.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:17 | 1287797 MachoMan
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It's ok to say that the nanny state (and its FED enablers) make us all corrupt...  albeit to differing degrees.

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 17:15 | 1293382 ex VRWC
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Wow assuming much aren't we.  I find 'ways to make a difference' as you say while operating 3 separate businesses that employ people or get money to them in some way or another.  I fail to see how trading the market will help bad business models (such as the FIRE economy) to fail.  If you search my posts you will find I have little time to blog, and I have things I am doing to 'try and make a difference'.

For me, I don't trade the market in any way. I have completely checked out of the casino.  Just because the game is there does not mean I have to play it.  I also do not participate in the debt based economy.  I am forced to pay taxes so I do that.

My comment was not directed at anyone in particular, just in general, we will not look at how our own actions fuel the system we decry so much.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:17 | 1287786 Missiondweller
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Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 14:01 | 1288001 BobPaulson
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I'm not the Dalai Lama here or anything but maybe don't hate anything? I can't say I practise that, by the way.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:16 | 1287474 mtomato2
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He never said anything about politics, much less party politics.  He said "Conservative," a word that actually MEANS something, like liberal and progressive.  "Conservative" the ideology has been thoroughly hijacked by "Republicans" the party.  As has the Tea Party Movement itself.  Conservative, almost by definition, MEANS self-reliance.  Party politics, almost by definition, means the polar opposite.

Conservatives would NEVER vote to raise the debt ceiling.  Republicans almost certainly will.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:03 | 1287732 LawsofPhysics
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He did in fact say "the tea party".  What other facts do you like to ignore?

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:28 | 1287861 mtomato2
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What in hell are you talking about?  Who is "he?"

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 15:19 | 1288420 LawsofPhysics
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The comment I replied too (and presumably you replied to my comment), just reading English dude.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:58 | 1287987 malek
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While I agree, you should refrain from using the word "liberal", a term that has become distorted so much it is now meaningless without a modifier (like "liberal in its original meaning two hundred years ago" or "liberal as in freedom of choice, not freedom from responsibility nor guarantee of results").

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 15:40 | 1288514 BobPaulson
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Also keep in mind the word "liberal" has almost the exact opposite meaning in Europe as it does in the States.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:22 | 1287515 NOTW777
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you sound like an angry obama voter

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:05 | 1287739 LawsofPhysics
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Go back a bit.  Via hard work and good choices I am a very fortunate, but somewhat disappointed, Ross Perot voter.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 15:32 | 1288486 weinerdog43
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And you sound like a dipstick.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 17:25 | 1288934 mtomato2
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...and YOU sound like a wiener.  Dog.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:30 | 1287546 NOTW777
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do you count libya as a war started by conservatives?

who wants to raise the debt ceiling more - geithner and obama or conservatives

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:59 | 1287625 downwiththebanks
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Anyone who supports bailouts for banker-gangsters and the annihilation of the world's Black and Brown people supports taking on more debt from banker-gangsters who charge the people interest to bail them out.

What an amazing racket they're being allowed to carry out!

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:05 | 1287742 LawsofPhysics
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They are all the same evil, what is your point?

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:12 | 1287774 Missiondweller
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"Still believing in that two-party lie?"


No, that's why the Tea Party started genius.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 15:27 | 1288473 LawsofPhysics
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Oh yeah, the jumped right out there and established themselves as a bunch of geniuses now didn't they?  Why do they caucus with the republicans then?  In short, they have done a piss-poor job of breaking ties to the republicans.  I guess they like that republican tit.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:43 | 1287617 downwiththebanks
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They do so rather than confront the fact that their economic system has failed to provide a satisfactory life or income for the vast majority of the people it enslaves.

Rather than blame the slaver, GOPers would rather blame the slaves.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:45 | 1287628 tired1
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I've been trying to figure out the 'end game'. China's Treasury holdings can be dumped by some concocted scenario, same with Japan and the rest. What about the Fed's holdings? How do they expect to get away with this? Sooner or later most of even the most stupid of Americans are going to figure out that debt payments are going to this parasitic entity, and then what? Or am I being too optimistic?

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:03 | 1287718 Meatier Shower
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I believe it was Einstein who once said that there are only two things that are infinite. The universe, and human stupidity.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:21 | 1287800 MachoMan
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He also said he wasn't sure about the latter...

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:33 | 1287869 tired1
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Question: What's the most powerful force in the universe?

Einstein: Compound interest!

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 11:29 | 1287214 Tense INDIAN
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Have u guys listened to this SPEECH from 1994:::

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 11:32 | 1287215 WALLST8MY8BALL
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Getting off the couch is just another Job American's dont want to do.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 11:37 | 1287234 TheTmfreak
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Its not really even a couch anymore its a computer chair. Although I guess now with laptops the couch has made a comeback.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 14:00 | 1288017 Clampit
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I'd love to get up off this computer chair, but as it turns out the only way to make any real money in our central planned republic is through "knowledge work." Allen wrenches, oscilloscopes, TIG's, etc. are all the spoils of a $60-70K salary.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 11:36 | 1287231 Gamblor
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This piece is good, however, it's hard to take it too seriously when it mentions nothing about the national question and immigration.

When you import 25M low-IQ, manual labor providing Central Americans into your economy, not only do you keep poor people poor by expanding the labor pool, you contribute to Putnam's "Bowling Alone" philosophy.  People don't trust those different from them as easily.

As the population mean IQ drops because of these additions, more government is needed to support the bad choices that inevitably come along with these immigrants.  This is a funny, if sad primer:

So, yeah.  The government is unwieldly and inefficient.  I got it.  But what creates the need for more government?  What is the justification? 


Wed, 05/18/2011 - 11:46 | 1287276 LFMayor
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Spot on.  More seeds to grow in the vote gardens.  Watered with tax dollars taken from the productive.  They sprout into droves of voters, who ensure the encumbant with the watering can gets the job of gardener every time. 

Inner city Blacks had hit a ceiling, they weren't ever going to be enough percentage wise of the population to ensure perpetual job security for the political parasites.  Solution: influx a new crop of hyper breeders who view any step up from their shithole countries of origin as a plus.  That's an added feature, they're satisfied with less for a generation or two, making them a better value to the upper level parasite class by extending the game 20 years or so before the productive are bled dry by demographics.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 11:59 | 1287379 topcallingtroll
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Sadly this is true.

These poor immigrants come here for economic purposes and have no understanding of traditional american values. As a generalization they believe in, and vote for, big government solutions, in spite of their experience with failed, despotic, corrupt, overbearing governments in their countries of origin.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:25 | 1287511 tip e. canoe
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"These poor immigrants come here for economic purposes and have no understanding of traditional american values."

i've met more than my fair share of 'poor immigrants' in my life, and much more often than not, they understand & embody "traditional american values" (as long as you consider these values to be hard work, honesty & ingenuity) far better than any native-born Amerikan i've ever met.

you might be right that they still by & far believe in big government solutions, but this is simply because they still believe in the Myth of American Dream.   silly them.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:38 | 1287581 Holodomor2012
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Since we are contributing anecdotes, I've met my fair share as well.  Far too many are untrustworthy.  If you turn your back on them they will steal your tools or the property of your clients.  Yes they work hard - the first generation.  Their children just end up violent, anti-American (white), lazy criminals.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:46 | 1287632 tip e. canoe
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"If you turn your back on them they will steal your tools or the property of your clients."

and i've met my fair share of white good ol' 4th generation + southern boys who have done the same thing.   when caught, they always try to weasel their way out of it using that charmin' syrupy sweettalk of theirs.

does that mean i should make a generalization that all white southern boys are untrustworthy and full of palaver?

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:54 | 1287645 Holodomor2012
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Yeah, you can generalize if you want.  I like generalization.  Although I think you're exaggerating the ratio of white to non-white criminals.  Did you know that blacks are 7 times more likely to rape than whites?  Also you might be interested that the FBI categorizes Mexicans as White in order to rig crime statistics that would otherwise be shocking.

I'm not making assumptions as to why that is, although the old canard "it's the poverty" has shown itself to be false.  We need to look elsewhere.  I suggest we start by looking at the evil whitey meme that is reinforced by the Jew media.  There is a good chance that this might be inflaming criminal behavior and a sense of entitlement. 

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:05 | 1287734 tip e. canoe
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not exaggerating mate, just relating my experience which is no more or less valid than anyone else's.   don't doubt the feds manipulate any and all stats to suit their purposes, though i wonder why you choose to believe the 7x's figure if you agree?  also wonder if that's just Mexicans or is it dudes from Guatemala, Costa Rica & Honduras as well?

"I like generalization."   so does the Nation of Islam, so you're in good company.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:35 | 1287883 Holodomor2012
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You're NOI?  I have to say, LF is one of the rare truth speakers of our time.  God bless.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 14:06 | 1288020 tip e. canoe
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naw, but i do like to read the Final Call from time to time just for shits & giggles.   there's actually some good articles in there on occasion.   definitely more of a bang for the buck than the Times or the Post.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:48 | 1287646 Gamblor
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You'll be happy to know that your empirical knowledge is backed up by the several studies that have shown regression from the first generation of immigrants to the second and follow-on generations.  First generation works hard and the rest backslide.  This is not necessarily true for higher-IQ immigrants, but they get on the back end with "chain migration".  The US Government is open for business, and it grows with every dependent citizen.  Welcome one and welcome all for your free healthcare, educational prioritization and cheap mortgages (pre-2007, of course).

Open borders advocates think that our current crop of illegals are comparable to the Irish, Italians, Poles and Germans in the early part of the 20th century.  There is some truth to that (IQ-wise).  But the US implemented a 50 year immigration moratorium to allow those ethnics to "melt together".  This led to the creation of a "white" people as intermarriage rates rapidly increased and led to what some of have called the "golden years of America" - the 1950s and early 60s.  Intermarriage rates these days are quite low (under 10%) as more groups self-select not only their spouses, but where they live and who they associate with.  It's human nature!  When they vote, they don't vote for what's best for the nation - they vote for someone from their group.  Why shouldn't they?  I'd rather get screwed by someone I know than someone I don't.  Oh what a tangled wed we weave...


Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:04 | 1287722 downwiththebanks
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If this regression is true (and it sounds like fake science)  what does that imply about the White decedents of the original genociders?

Does it make them less efficient, useful, and productive overall, or just less able to carry out genocide with efficiency?

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:07 | 1287753 Gamblor
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Always a bad move arguing with a troll, but here's some of that fake science:


Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:15 | 1287780 downwiththebanks
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Exactly what I thought:  total junk science, based on poor methodology like test scores and crime rates, which we know are RIGGED worse than the CPI.

I think it's previous title was "Journal of Blame the Slave for Slavery".

And before that it was the house organ for the Know Nothing Party!

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:45 | 1287941 Byronio
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Gamblor Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:07 #1287753

I read a report by STEVEN CAMAROTA of CIS a few years back and he showed that Mexican-Americans use more welfare, more government services than they pay in taxes, a LOT more. These were 3rd generation.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 13:10 | 1287768 LawsofPhysics
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Good points, the immigrants that came here during WWII learned English and didn't demand schools that spoke their native tongue.  To be fair, if you don't like the current system, work to change it but don't rob me and my children in the process.

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