Guest Post: Don't Forget - The Deadline To Come Clean Is This Thursday

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Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:31 | 1406578 johngaltfla
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AKA:

Under the HIRE Act, Capital Controls.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:46 | 1406627 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhx2KjaASh0#at=3m29s

I am afraid... that there is a problem, Mr. Jung. The banks have gone through a change. Nationalization. I am afraid that... your funds have been appropriated by the government. Please forgive me. My apologies.

$30M gone.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:02 | 1406665 Hugh G Rection
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The form is known as the FBAR.

 

You forgot the U.  It should be FUBAR

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:07 | 1406699 flacon
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Can we claim gold @$42.22/ounce like THEY do? In that case I have less than $10,000 worth of gold. 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:21 | 1406722 Landotfree
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Now that is funny.  

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 02:47 | 1408065 Popo
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Dear US Citizen:

We own your ass.  You belong to us.  Do you understand that, serf?   Even if you live in another country all year long,  you still have to pay US taxes.    If you want to abandon your US citizenship for tax purposes,  the answer is "no":  We'll keep collecting taxes from you for an additional 10 years after you give up your US passport.  Why?  Because you are our bitch.  That's why.    

If you place money in a foreign bank,  you need to report back to us and tell us what you're doing even if it's outside of our jurisdiction.   In short:  There is nothing you can do to escape financial bondage.

Why?  Because we own your ass,  serf.   You think you are free?  Hahahaha.   You're property.   Your sole purpose in this world is generating tax revenue to feed the machine.   No matter where you run,  no matter what you do:  We will track you down and make you pay, slave.     Yes,  we know that citizens of other countries like England,  France, Japan,  Brazil, etc.  don't need to pay taxes to their respective governments if they live abroad.  But those people aren't 'property' like you are, serf.   You're an American and that means you're ours.   No matter where you live and no matter what you do,  we still own you and your earnings are ours.

Is that understood?  Oh, and if you resist we will imprison you.  And if you think you can "run out the clock" under the statute-of-limitations,  surprise!  There is no statute of limitations on tax debts.  We own you forever, bitch.

Thank you for your time,   

The Internal Revenue Service

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 15:23 | 1409696 molecool
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Actually, giving up one's U.S. citizenship is procedural if you are up to date with your IRS filings. All you have to do is to relocate, acquire a 2nd citizenship (or are lucky enough to already have one) and then to officially denounce your U.S. citizenship at a local consulate. It's all explained here:

http://www.taxmeless.com/USCitizenRenounce.htm

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:54 | 1406822 tip e. canoe
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that actually is a very interesting legal argument to make, if one must.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:08 | 1406700 flacon
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Can we claim gold @$42.22/ounce like THEY do? In that case I have less than $10,000 worth of gold. 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:11 | 1406704 lincolnsteffens
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Never noticed your nome de plume before. Far fucking out!

 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 19:16 | 1406884 Pladizow
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Fuck these US Gov IRS Nazi's!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 00:15 | 1407850 Popo
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Simon Black ... Working for Uncle Sam? This article seems like something from the IRS itself.

The whole article makes it seem like the reason you put money offshore is for dollar stability. Bullshit! The reason you put money offshore is to keep Uncle Sam's grubby fingers off it.

Signing a FuBAR defeats the entire purpose of offshore accounts.

My suspicion of Simon grows...

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:27 | 1406579 phraseshifter
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Long sandbars...

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 08:08 | 1414917 Zero Govt
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Short US citizens

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:34 | 1406585 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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U.S. citizens will put up with anything. The past 3 years have PROVEN that.

The average U.S. citizen must have a steel re-inforced asshole.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:12 | 1406707 gall batter
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The past three years?????

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 19:12 | 1406878 slewie the pi-rat
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it hardly seems possible!

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:12 | 1406709 chumbawamba
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Self-lubricating.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 19:57 | 1407003 Hulk
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Its just an oily anal seepage due to too much olestra ingestion...

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:56 | 1406833 gall batter
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The past three years?????

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 19:10 | 1406864 slewie the pi-rat
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lol!

+ :44  +

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 19:45 | 1406962 gall batter
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thanks, s pi-rat.  the only way to survive these years: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuxS-9t3tnY

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 20:30 | 1407148 slewie the pi-rat
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ty2, g_b.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:31 | 1406590 YesWeKahn
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Is this a joke?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:51 | 1406626 nonclaim
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The idea is that you should provide evidence against yourself on your tax evasion strategies. So yes, kind of a joke and another lawful right flushed down the sewage pipe.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:54 | 1406635 JohnG
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Nope.  FBAR's are real.

 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 00:03 | 1407827 Popo
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And if you accidentally forget to provide the US government with evidence against yourself?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:38 | 1406607 Bastiat
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"The gold ruling is new this year, and we first reported this back in March. The Financial Crimes Enforcement Division (FinCEN) made it quite clear that any gold held in the custody of another firm or individual constituted a foreign financial account and needs to be reported on the FBAR."

So, as written, that would include gold held in a private vault in the US? 

 

 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:49 | 1406641 Cole Younger
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Maybe...but fuck them.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:59 | 1406655 Bastiat
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It must mean foreign.  But it's interesting that what the IRS consideres a "collectible" is now consider a financial asset.  What about silver?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:38 | 1406790 Silver Kiwi
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what about the gold & silver under the bed??

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 21:22 | 1407299 RockyRacoon
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Not unless your Serta has a charter.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:39 | 1406609 buzzsaw99
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telling the usa gubbermint about assets abroad defeats the purpose of having them there in the first place imo. corporations hold shitloads of cash abroad, nobody fvkks with them about it why should i play by their fukktarted rules?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:54 | 1406634 Widowmaker
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You bet your ass, this is exactly what is going on.

See, when Uncle Sam knows your privates, they sell that information, without your consent, and without you getting any part of that action.  Total ripoff by USA Inc.

TBTF corporations don't have to follow any rules related to money or transparency/disclosure or even truth. 

Next they will be trying to marry and vote.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:10 | 1406697 nonclaim
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Next they will be trying to marry and vote.

They don't vote but choose/finance the candidates you vote for... as for the marriage process that goes as joint-venture, merger, buy-out, spin-off/out etc, same things with different names. Interesting huh?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:02 | 1406664 drB
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Most EU banks report any transfers/deposits of US residents to US government. Most Asian banks do the same. They have people by balls in any case - both if you report or do not report.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:23 | 1406726 buzzsaw99
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bank? lulz

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:28 | 1406757 drB
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An average person in US can not set up a corporation - while transfer to some reasonable bank (Singapore, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway) can be done but the bank most likely will report this back to US. Holding Au or Ag at home presents some risks if shit hits the fan - risk of looting/stealing. I have not seen a reasonable way how someone who is not worth $xMM can hide his money, just slogans.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 19:34 | 1406946 buzzsaw99
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Not where you can access it by wire. There is always a risk no matter what you do.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 20:14 | 1407075 Boston
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How about opening a safe deposit box in Canada, and storing your PM's there.

Unlike Europe or Asia, Canada is accessible by car.  And because there's no electronic record of the box contents, there's nothing to report.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 01:20 | 1407956 Tangurena
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You still need a passport and positive permission from DHS to leave the US via car. So if for some reason the Department of State decides that they don't want to renew your passport, you are going to have some trouble getting to your lewts.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 08:51 | 1408379 Boston
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Just did it.  Passport yes (good for another half decade); DHS permission, nope.

Also, I know here in New England at least, there are many small road, "honor system" crossings, where no guards are stationed.  Most of these are for locals who cross over, back and forth, regularly.  I can get across, no problem, trust me.

 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 21:39 | 1407334 i-dog
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"Holding Au or Ag at home presents some risks if shit hits the fan - risk of looting/stealing"

Cheeses, the bankstas have the sheep well trained!!!

Ummm ... what's your definition of "when TSHTF"? ... errrr, bank holiday? gold confiscation? government looting of safety deposit boxes? ATMs offline? SLV/PSLV default? mint/commercial vaults frozen? airports closure?

What are the odds of all of the above in the event of TSHTF? 1:1

What are the odds of an individual being robbed of well-hidden gold at home? 20:1 ... 100:1 ... 1,000:1 ... 10,000:1?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 17:05 | 1410013 naughtius maximus
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If you don't want to be robbed then don't tell anyone there is anything worth robbing you of in your house.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 04:38 | 1408131 LudwigVon
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"I have not seen a reasonable way how someone ... can hide his money"

 

You have GOT to be kidding me. They have been around forever. Pirates even had them. If it must be hidden then do just that, hide it in your home. If you rent, find a place you will stay for a while, and hide it there. Preferably you move to a state which still obeys they constitution regarding defending said property should anyones life be at risk. This is how America was meant to be. Sound money, sound communties via the lack of inflation ensuring poverty combined with the profligacy of armed homes.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 01:52 | 1408008 Oracle of Kypseli
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If you gonna have a foreign account you should have at least $50k otherwise, I suggest a good mattress. If you have $50k, then you can afford $10k for a foreign passport.

Those who have travelled and worked in other countries, are comfortable doing this and know which countries will give you passports. If you have the need, the money and the desire to do this, you will find the way. Stay away from banks that have branches in the US.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:00 | 1406669 SilverIsKing
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Good point.  How about setting up a corporation in Belize which then opens bank accounts in Europe or Asia?

a) Would a FBAR be required since the individual would not personally have a foreign bank account?

b) Would earnings of the Belize based company be taxable in the US if the funds remain in the bank accounts in Europe and/or Asia?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 20:30 | 1407165 FeralSerf
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They've got you covered.  There's probably a special exemption if your name is Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, etc.

"US taxpayers are obliged to report all foreign financial accounts in which they have either a beneficial interest or signature authority, so long as the aggregate value of all the accounts exceeds $10,000 at any time during the calendar year. . ."

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 20:40 | 1407186 YHC-FTSE
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Hell, if Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and their friends at Haliburton and Blackwater shell companies fail to disclose some of their 1.9 Trillion dollars in deposits in Cayman Island accounts why should YOU? 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 00:13 | 1407844 sun tzu
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Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney

 

Get with the times. It ain't 2008 anymore

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