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The Enduring Middle East Strategic Framework Begins to Emerge as Iran Surges, and the US Resiles

The lingering impact of August 3, 2010, clash on the Israeli-Lebanese border lies in the greater context of, and wider strategic dynamics in, the Middle East. These aspects were highlighted by HizbAllah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah in his speech later that day.

See Defense & Foreign Affairs Special Analysis, August 4, 2010: Clash on Israel-Lebanon Border Holds Potential for Strategic Escalation.

Overall, the issue dominating the overall situation in the Middle East is the reaction by the local powers to the emerging new grand strategic reality: namely, the demise of the United States as the dominant regional power. This is a dramatic reversal of a concentrated US policy of more than half a century.

Back in the Autumn of 1956, the US intentionally undermined the strategic posture of two of its closest Cold War allies, Britain and France. In the late-1960s, the US capitalized on the British unilateral withdrawal from the Persian Gulf and the active Soviet interceding in the Arab-Israeli conflict in order to consolidate the US role as the dominant Western, and later global, power in the Middle East.

This posture endured even after the US betrayed its close ally — the Shah of Iran — and permitted the rise of the Islamic Republic in the late 1970s. Consequently, however, the US has had to intensify its direct involvement in regional crises, culminating in the US active war-fighting in and against Iraq. Come August 31, 2010, the US will be abandoning it all with the disengagement from Iraqi security affairs and the beginning of a year-long withdrawal.

Led by an assertive and determined Iran, the aspirant powers of the region cannot wait to fill the void that is already emerging as the US is disengaging from military operations in Iraq and the Persian Gulf. This strategic posture is aptly demonstrated by the US Barack Obama Administration’s explicit abandonment of the twin-pillars of the US regional posture — Israel and Saudi Arabia — leaving them to cope on their own with a nuclear Iran.

Moreover, the US is exerting immense pressure on Israel not to strike Iran for fear of derailing the rapprochement with Iran which the Obama White House is seeking, and the possibility of Iranian retaliation against the remaining US presence in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the Persian Gulf energy infrastructure.

Tehran is cognizant of the significance of these developments. Iran had already started its drive to exploit and fill in vacuums created by the US in the early 1990s. At the time, Iran exploited the widespread trauma as a result of the US undermining and shaming of both (Iraq’s) nationalist Sunni Islam and (Saudi Arabia’s) traditional-conservative Sunni Islam in the 1990-1 Gulf War in order to push its own Shi’ite-based doctrine of revolutionary-militant Islam. By 1992, Sudan’s Hassan al-Turabi adapted the Iranian jihadist tenets and adopted them into the Sunni neo-salafite doctrine, thus setting the grounds for the ascent of the jihadist trend now popularly associated with Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and their supporters.

Presently, Tehran is ready to surge and exploit the far more significant vacuum which will be created by the US de facto withdrawal from Iraq and Persian Gulf. The continued global preoccupation with Iran’s nuclear program serves Tehran’s interests for it constantly reminds friends and foes alike about Iran’s claim to regional and global preeminence. Tehran uses the nuclear crisis to project self-confidence and threaten its neighbors against counting on the US to protect them.

The Obama Administration is playing into Iran’s hands. For example, on August 1, 2010, the US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, publicly acknowledged that the US had contingency plans for “the military options [which] have been on the table and remain on the table”, but quickly qualified that any military action against Iran could have “unintended consequences that are difficult to predict in what is an incredibly unstable part of the world”.

This caveat did not prevent Tehran from issuing counter-threats on August 3, 2010. “If any threat strikes against Iran, the Islamic Republic armed forces are fully prepared to counter them on the ground, sea and air,” IRGC Brig.-Gen. Ahmad-Reza Pourdastan stated. “Military threats of US officials against the Islamic Republic are nothing new, we’re certain that the US military forces are in an appalling condition. The increasing number of deaths and suicide among American forces attest to the failure of the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

Just to be sure that Tehran’s message was not lost on the West Iran orchestrated on July 28, 2010, a non-lethal attack on the Japanese-owned supertanker M. Star while it traveled through the Strait of Hormuz. Apparently, the IRGC fired a few rockets/missiles with inert warheads at the supertanker, thus reminding everybody of Iran’s ability to do greater damage should Tehran choose to.

No less important was the US Fifth Fleet’s inability to prevent the attack, or identify and strike at the perpetrators. The recent claim by the Abdullah Azzam Brigades that the attack was carried out by a martyr-bomber named Ayyub Al Tayshan cannot be taken seriously because the dent in the tankers outer wall and damage to the crew’s cabin are the result of an external explosion and/or the impact of a projectile fired from sea-level; that is, a boat or a shore battery.

Concurrently, Tehran demonstrated its dominance over the key political developments in the Arab world using Damascus as the implementing proxy.

First came the Iran-sponsored mediation between various Shi’ite factions in Iraq. In late-July 2010, Tehran oversaw a series of meetings in Damascus between Iyad Allawi, Moqtada Sadr and Nouri al-Maliki in which the outline of a Shi’ite-wide coalition dominated by Tehran was formulated and agreed upon. It was in Damascus that all leading Shi’ite politicians agreed to Sadr’s demand that the US-backed Maliki would not be elected to a second term specifically because of the US endorsement.
Former transitional Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, who had been unseated under US pressure for his pro-Iran policies and replaced by Maliki, has emerged as the compromise candidate. Tehran’s overt dominance over the Iraqi Shi’ite political maneuvers — albeit in Damascus rather than Tehran — are a slap in the US face.

In early August 2010, Saudi Arabia’s King ‘Abdallah bin ‘Abd al-’Aziz al Sa’ud traveled to Damascus in order to confer with Pres. Bashar al-Assad. King ‘Abdallah’s primary objective was to explore ways to prevent the eruption of violence in and from Lebanon. Riyadh is most worried about Tehran using the HizbAllah in order to provoke a regional war with Israel, a war which Iran would then be able to exploit in order to further its regional aspirations to the detriment of Riyadh’s vital interests.

Given Tehran’s penchant for exploiting US election seasons for strategic gambits, and given Washington’s indecisiveness and weakness, the King had just experienced first-hand in his visit with Obama, King ‘Abdallah’s apprehension is warranted. Bashar al-Assad made it clear he would not break his close ties with Iran which he considers to be the guarantor of his survival.

However, Bashar agreed with King ‘Abdallah that the eruption of violence in Lebanon would be counterproductive. Essentially, King ‘Abdallah and Bashar have a common short-term objective but conflicting and contradictory long-term goals. Both want to prevent in the near-term a major war which would involve Israel and Iran. In the near-term, King ‘Abdallah fears the ensuing ascent of Iran at the expense of Saudi Arabia, while Bashar fears the destruction of Syria by a vengeful Israel which might lead to his toppling by the Sunni majority.

In the long-term, however, King ‘Abdallah dreads the ascent of Shi’ite Iran while Bashar considers Shi’ite Iran and the HizbAllah as the saviors of the Allawites’ hold onto power against Syria’s Sunni majority.

Hence, King ‘Abdallah and Assad traveled together to Beirut in order to convince Prime Minister Saad Hariri not to challenge Nasrallah’s ascent, fearing that Nasrallah would react with fury to any limit on his power and thus instigate a crisis that would escalate out of control. Just to make sure there was no “misunderstanding” by Hariri, Bashar or King ‘Abdallah, on August 3, 2010, Nasrallah instigated the clash on the border with Israel in order to demonstrate that he could both provoke and flare-up a war (as he did in the Summer of 2006), and that the HizbAllah was in control of the Lebanese Armed Forces or at the least their Shi’ite units.

That evening Nasrallah delivered a major speech in which he stressed the strategy and objectives of Iran and HizbAllah.

“Today we are marking four years since the Lebanon’s victory over the strongest and most terrorist military in the region,” Nasrallah declared. He quickly tied this anniversary with the clashes on the Israeli-Lebanese border earlier that day. “I wanted to start on this topic, but what happened today on the border between Lebanon and Palestine, in which officers and soldiers from our national military fought a battle of heroism, necessitates mention of their strong stance and their sacrifice.” Nasrallah stressed that the latest clashes were an integral part of a continued Israeli aggression against Lebanon.

“Israel’s aggression against Lebanon, its land, and its sovereignty never ceased, but continues in various ways. It has manifested itself in no less than 7,000 Israeli violations of Lebanese sovereignty since August 14, 2006, over which the world prefers not to open its mouth. These violations occur in the air, land, and sea, and what we saw today was just another expression of this.” HizbAllah, Nasrallah stressed, had been the primary guarantor of Lebanon and its interests throughout this period.

Nasrallah then stressed that HizbAllah intentionally stayed out of the latest clash out of respect for the wishes of the Lebanese Armed Forces. HizbAllah notified the Lebanese Army during the first moments of the clash of its willingness to help. “From the first moment, the opposition went on high alert in the region, followed all the events, and was in contact with the command headquarters. We notified the Lebanese military: We are prepared, we are with you, and we will help you with everything, if needed. Our people and our equipment stand at your disposal,” Nasrallah said. The decision on the extent of HizbAllah’s involvement was reached in direct consultations between HizbAllah and the highest ranking officials in Beirut.

“We also contacted the president, the parliament chairman, and the prime minister and updated them on this. We told them that we will not initiate any move, despite the painful images we saw. They asked for a quiet and responsible opposition. The message was clear to the Israeli enemy: Lebanon, all of Lebanon, will not leave any aggression on its occupied land unanswered and will stand by this courageously,” Nasrallah explained.

Nasrallah then addressed Israel and warned of the dire consequences of any Israeli aggression against Lebanon. “You are the ones threatening war, but Lebanon is not afraid of confronting you. All of the military alignments you dealt with are above the surface, but they are within fortified embankments. Even though we don’t have equipment on the same level, our fighters fight with courage and shocked them.” Nasrallah threatened that HizbAllah “is on alert and is ready to help the military in all the villages on the front. We are not concerned and are not hysterical like their coward settlers. The nation, the opposition, and the military have paid in blood for this act of heroism, but they did not bear fruit. Officers and soldiers in the Lebanese military are our brothers and loved ones. How could it be that the opposition will sit with its armed crossed from now on as the military is bombed? I will saw honestly: We will not sit with arms crossed, and the Israeli hand outstretched to strike the Lebanese military will be cut off by the opposition.”

Nasrallah then shifted to the original theme of his speech: the possibility that HizbAllah officials would be indicted by the International Special Tribunal investigating the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri in February 2005. Originally, the Tribunal identified and was ready to indict senior Syrian intelligence officials and their accomplices in Lebanese intelligence. However, this option was put aside for political reasons and alternate low-risk approaches — such as blaming HizbAllah — were explored.

Nasrallah, however, is adamant on avoiding any accusation of the HizbAllah. After all, Syrian intelligence killed Hariri while the HizbAllah’s security command only provided look-outs and perimeter security. Therefore, Nasrallah made Bashar a veiled offer which he knew Bashar could not refuse. HizbAllah would launch a propaganda campaign shifting the blame onto Israel. Any attempt by Damascus to interfere with this campaign would result in the exposure of the Syrian role.  

Nasrallah blamed Israel for exploiting the tragic demise of Hariri for its own nefarious objectives. “They [Israel] speak of a big explosion, a civil war, crisis, and more. We want to expose the truth surrounding the circumstances of al-Hariri’s death, something that from our perspective is the right of every Lebanese. We want to protect the unity of Lebanon and the well-being of its citizens.”

Nasrallah then promised to reveal in a week time the whole truth about Hariri’s assassination and the responsibility of Israel. “This coming Monday [August 9, 2010], I will hold a press conference during which I will present evidence of Israel’s involvement in the al-Hariri assassination and the goings-on in the international tribunal in The Hague. We will present significant proof that Israel, via its agents, tried to convince al-Hariri already in 1993 that HizbAllah wants to assassinate him. We blame the Israeli enemy for the assassination, and the figures I will reveal will open new horizons in the investigation that will lead to the identity of the true murderer.”

And with that promise, Tehran and HizbAllah have wrested control over the political dynamic in Beirut, Damascus, and in effect the entire Arab world. And the threat of a regional explosion keeps rising.


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Fri, 08/06/2010 - 19:15 | 508265 Hedge Jobs
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Nasrallah is a true modern day hero standing up to the terrorist zionist regime. A real freedom fighter of the resistance movement.

If only some leader, any leader in the US had the balls to stand up to the zionist criminals like he does instead of supporting their war, banking and economic crimes.



Fri, 08/06/2010 - 19:21 | 508271 Shylockracy
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Fri, 08/06/2010 - 19:40 | 508286 MarketTruth
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(And take that you self-hating anti-semite AIPAC members)

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:04 | 508308 Shylockracy
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Someone who hates 95% of all semites (that is, the Arabs) justly deserves being named and shamed as an anti-semite.

So you are strictly correct in designating AIPAC agents as anti-semites.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:37 | 508361 Shylockracy
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When Zionists -blinded by their filthy lucre and with innocent blood dripping from their fangs- start hysterically junking you, you know you must be doing something right.

So come and junk me, Zio-Junkers! I'm in the mood to play the freak-magnet tonight!

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:37 | 508364's picture

Why not take some of that energy and head over to and make a donation for the next flotilla. That would be just about the most productive thing you could do for the our Pals in the Middle East while sitting at your keyboard. I did!

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:41 | 508367 Shylockracy
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Fri, 08/06/2010 - 23:52 | 508567 Yardfarmer
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HOLY SHIT!! armageddon has already broken out on ZH!! always the bellwether. I am junked therefore I AM. there will be blood!

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 00:00 | 508578's picture

Hey Yardfarmer -- think the rain'll hurt the rhubarb?

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 00:07 | 508583 Yardfarmer
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without a concerted effort, it's nearly impossible to kill rhubarb

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 08:03 | 508736 Sean7k
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+1 Rhubarb is hard to for this call for military escalation crap, please save it for the MSM. Iran is all bluster. The Persians have a history of megalomania and on only rare occasions has it been justified.

The world doesn't need more US police work. The problem with taking on more power and influence is the expense in manpower and resources. These resources are what Iran is short on. 

Our money would be better spent on becoming less dependent on the straits of hormuz and its' products. 

There will always be countries clamoring to be the next big dog. Nothing will dethrone you quicker than the expense to your economy. The bankers love to whip up the froth to insure more debt spending and interest payments for what is futile spending.

Wake up America. If we are to go to war, it needs to be with the FED and bankers who would starve our children, kill our sons and daughters and waste our wealth for the transfer of wealth through interest payments on a debt we cannot afford.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 10:51 | 508808 jeff montanye
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cogent analysis.  the foreign policy of the u.s. needs to be aid (non-military) and trade.  even handed (or maybe a little muslim favoritism to make up for decades of abuse) re: kashmir and palestine.  the u.s. msm is at its most destructive on this issue; may have something to do with the owners/managers personal ideology.  thank goodness for the "self-hating, anti-semitic jews" on the internet (greenwald, et. al.)

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 11:12 | 508816 Turd Ferguson
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"Iran is all bluster". Not.

Hmmm. The Turd's Middle East sources tell him that the Japanese supertanker that was hit by a rogue wave/earthquake was actually hit by an unarmed version of what's mentioned below. To send a message.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 23:25 | 508545 dkny
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A little Caveat emptor here:

I think it should become apparent the necessary preconditions for all that aid money: people living in refugee camps. Once you start pondering how it could be that people have been labeled refugees for the last several decades -- especially considering all the billions thrown at the palestinans while the peace process was somewhat still alive -- then you'll understand why progress has been so difficult, or rather unlucrative.

So, careful with your donations, as you never know what portion will end up in a Swiss bank account.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 23:39 | 508557's picture

So, careful with your donations, as you never know what portion will end up in a Swiss bank account.

I've donated $100 to each of the eight Free Gaza voyages and when the IDF started murdering folks on Memorial Day this year I didn't hesitate to send in another $500.

I have also donated to the ISM and sponsored a Palestinian boy for five years.

Feels good to fight against tyranny. Cheap at twice the price. And I have always felt comfortable with the fine folks out there doing the hard work.


Donate at

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 23:53 | 508568 RichardP
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I think the question was - how can you be certain your money did not end up in a Swiss bank account?  Can you be certain??

That is the value of good works by proxy, I suppose.  One can feel good about doing good without having to look too closely to see if any good was done at all.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 00:05 | 508582's picture

I think the question was - how can you be certain your money did not end up in a Swiss bank account?  Can you be certain??


I think the question is can you be certain that the mailman isn't sleeping with your wife?

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 10:59 | 508810 jeff montanye
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and it was his idea: "you said 'fuck him, give him a buck'; the light lunch was my idea".  too bad, but we can't all be rachel corrie (may her name never die).

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 15:18 | 509667 TBT or not TBT
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Saint Pancake's name will live on.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 23:59 | 508576 dkny
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Feels good to fight against tyranny.

Yep, always have to frame it as a grand battle between good and evil.

Reminds me of Arafat's calls for sacrifices and "resistance" from all those poor people, while he was pocketing all those billions. He really milked that refugee cow dry.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 00:11 | 508585's picture

And how much of my tax money has been sucked up by Israel.

That's my money, taken without my consent and used for purposes I find objectionable (to put it mildly). When I donate to my Palestinian friends I like to multiply the amount of that extorted blood money many fold.

The ships are going to keep coming and coming and coming.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 00:45 | 508606 dkny
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Been a while since I saw numbers, but I believe the bulk of it is recycled directly to the american military industry.

I know it is your intention to frame the discussion in such a way that fits your world view, but others undoubtedly appreciate the complexities of such matters, as well as the existence of other interested parties which may have to lose if the aid is cut.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:01 | 508617's picture

I believe the bulk of it is recycled directly to the american military industry.

...which buys high-tech American weaponry, much of which Israel resells to our enemies, just like they sold the Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard's information to the Soviets. It's as if the stereotype is all to true in some cases.

I know it is your intention to frame the discussion in such a way...

There is no need to frame you when all the readily apparent facts point to your guilt.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:32 | 508635 dkny
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Yep, those F-15s are poping on the black market like fake LV bags.
Care to back that up that assertion? Or is that a strawman to avoid the inconvenient truth that companies like Boeing might want the arrangement to go on?

...point to your guilt.

HAHAHAH! Pathetic....

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 08:03 | 508737 ISEEIT
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I submit that you are wrong in positioning these sales as 'secret'. The arms are sold by Israel being our proxy. The MIC desires the tension. It is considered desirable to have viable threats so as to justify the care and feeding of our military. All part of the Farcist/Corporatist doctrine of control.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 11:09 | 508815 jeff montanye
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there is some truth in what you say but it falls far short of a full explanation.  any objective study of the genesis of the war in iraq will show that the impetus came from extreme zionist israel firsters in the sharon and bush administrations.  to put much of the wild errors of u.s. middle east policy since ike on the mic is only less misleading than to put it on the oil industry.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 12:12 | 508837 Cathartes Aura
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Rocking This Thread Crockett!

some of us are not so silently cheering you on, just letting you know. . .

peace. intentional.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 18:06 | 509076's picture

Nice to see you!

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 16:14 | 509712 dkny
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Interesting stuff, yet hardly proves the point you're trying to make that Israel is some sort of middleman, reselling whatever it gets and pocketing the money.

Simplification of the issue is your goal, while many companies are involved in development of weapons/technologies, and needless to say some will "bleed" between projects, and might end up where the USA doesn't want.

That's why, as one of your links pointed out, Israel cancelled a sell to China.

Still, as I've already said, go ahead and cacnel all this military aid/financing to Israel -- and Egypt while at it -- and then check to see who gets riled up the most stateside. There are more players in this game than you wish to admit, since that would invariably detract from your conspiracy agenda.

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 16:33 | 509736's picture

Conspiracies by definition involve more than one party. By suggesting that "(t)here are more players in this game than you wish to admit" makes YOU the conspiracy theorist.

But no on seems to be buying your worldwide gentile conspiracy theory. Is it due to bad marketing or is it just a bad product? Probably both.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:20 | 508628 Bringin It
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You keep making these foolish accusations against Arafat.  About him stealing money.  Yeah, it's clear he skimmed it all off and was living like a king while you kept him trapped and harassed in a  small office building, occasionally blowing holes in the building and poisoning his food.  Yes, obviously, the man was living large at the expense of others - Not.

If you are looking for stealing of the peoples money, you need to look no further than your friends on Wall Street, the recognized world thieving champs.  Are you trying to divert attention from what your friends are up to or are you just a dense ideologue?

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:29 | 508633 dkny
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I was wondering when the alter-ego will tag team.

Welcome to the party, but unfortunately reading skills are required, unless you call B.S. on the CBS link I gave, and plenty other info on the net.

I'll give you a smiley face for that attempt to associate me with Wall Street crooks.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 02:10 | 508657's picture

I was wondering when the alter-ego will tag team.

If all the so-called anti-semites in the world are really just one stupid but prolific person then why do you need Megaphone?

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 16:24 | 509726 dkny
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I love it how you guys are trying so hard to defend a guy that stole billions from a group of very impoverished people, while prodding them to commit self-sacrifice ... literally. All this while lamenting over their impoverished state.

Some cognitive dissonance that must be.

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 18:28 | 509860's picture

Some cognitive dissonance that must be.

"One Cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland"

....Izaak Greenbaum

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:02 | 508618 laosuwan
Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:21 | 508629 Bringin It
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Go away you lunatic troll with nothing to offer.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:21 | 508630's picture

Sure, Gaza is a paradise. However, there's a wall around it and no one is allowed to get in or out, so we'll just have to take the IDF's word for it.

That sounds reasonable.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 08:29 | 508741 Max Hunter
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Look.. These Zionist shills need to relinquish themselves from any guilt over suffering of Palestinians for the misery Israel has caused in the region.

They will not look at the pictures of people DYING and SUFFERING, but they want to point to an occasional store that opens up the get everyone to take their eye off the ball.

I guess i'm suppose to not believe the pictures and videos of children dying in their mother's and father's arms because there was a mall that opened in a section of town that probably paid Israel (in one way or another) handsomely to not bomb.

Like the guy above me stated.. you offer nothing but lies and deception, just like your jewish masters.

Free Palestine !

(comment not a reply but an addition to Crock)

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 16:30 | 509733 dkny
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(comment not a reply but an addition to Crock)

And what a crock it is....

The only one with agenda, or intentionally blindfolded, is you buddy.

Ignoring all the actions undertaken by the Arab League since 1947 is nothing short of criminal neglect of historical facts. Oh, how quick you are of absolving them from any responsibility....

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:38 | 508365 Internet Tough Guy
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Tyler, cleanup on aisle five. Seriously, this isn't project mayhem-worthy.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 21:33 | 508418's picture

cleanup on aisle five.


I'm pleased to see that you have followed the good advice that one should write about what one knows.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 00:12 | 508587 Yardfarmer
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ITG, bwahahahahahahahahaha! priceless!

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 21:29 | 508414 RichardP
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But it is educational, on several different levels.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 22:50 | 508514 MarketTruth
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Agreed, it is educational and yes it is part of Project Mayhem. The political and banking/central bank scene is such that the truth about AIPAC and the assassins Mossad and controlling Zionists are coming to light. As such, Project Mayhem may need to go to action accordingly.

Remember: Within the United States current sitting Vice Preseident Biden said he is a proud Zionist. Ask yourself, is this guy working for the USA's We The People or for the Zionists and their agenda?


Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:23 | 508631 Bringin It
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++ MT

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:59 | 508651 desgust
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* 1 !!!!

you are so right! It took us/me also so long to get to some truth! The whole western world kept lying us for decades!

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 19:39 | 508284's picture

Nasrallah is a true modern day hero standing up to the terrorist zionist regime.

As bad as the Israeli government can be there's no need to go over the top. Nasrallah is just another politician who exploits war anxiety and economic hardship amongst the his own people. If there's a war I'll root for the Lebanese but first I'll root for no war at all.

Best not to get caught up in the hysteria which articles such as this seek to stir up.



Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:13 | 508326 Clayton Bigsby
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what do you base this assertion upon?

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:27 | 508349 Shylockracy
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For starters, you can read the informative and always entertaining War Nerd, aka Gary Brecher:


From Lebanon To Iraq: We’re In Deep Shia Now


A Hezbollah Upon All of Thee!

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:33 | 508360's picture

I prefer objective rationalism to theocratic socialism. I think that folks are pretty much the same all over and most of us just want to be free.


Of course, that's why they need the war hysteria -- to keep folks in the traces.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 21:00 | 508384 teaddy bearish
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Fri, 08/06/2010 - 21:17 | 508398 Bringin It
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++ DC is occupied teritory.

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 00:53 | 509341 Guillermo
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ZOG. Damn right. ZOG.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 21:53 | 508450 Oswald Spengler
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Is that you Adolf?

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 21:57 | 508456's picture

Naw, Adolph is hanging with these guys:

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 23:08 | 508534 dkny
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Wow! Either your are obssesed with this, or it is your tactic to disseminate misinformation by not remarking on this irrelevant issue of Mischling in Germany.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 23:43 | 508559's picture

it is your tactic to disseminate misinformation

There you go again with your gentile conspiracy theories.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 00:10 | 508586 dkny
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I think I've called you on your B.S. enough times on this matter.

You may continue with your charade, while those who wish to learn something may do so by following this thread:

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 00:22 | 508594's picture

I think I've called you on your B.S. enough times on this matter.


Oh yes, you're well on the way to proving that gentile conspiracy theory of yours, just a few more calculations and then -- EUREKA!

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 22:56 | 508518 jakoye
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And here we go again. Why does this site attract so many anti-Semites?

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 23:45 | 508562's picture

so many anti-Semites?


But I love Palestinians. What the hell are you talking about?

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:25 | 508632 Bringin It
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I agree - these Zionist Jews don't give a tinker's dam about the life of a Semite.  They waste them at will, for sport even.  It is sickenning.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 08:35 | 508745 Max Hunter
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@ jakoye


“There is a great danger for the United States of America. That great danger is the Jew. Gentlemen, in which ever land the Jews have settled, they have depressed the moral level and lowered the degree of commercial honesty. They have created a State within a State, and when they are opposed, they attempt to strangle the nation financially, as in the case of Portugal and Spain.

” For more than 1700 years they have lamented their sorrowful fate, namely that they were being driven out of the motherland; but gentleman, if the civilized world today should give them back Palestine as their property, they would immediately find pressing reasons for not returning there. Why? Because they are vampires and cannot live on other vampires. They cannot live among themselves. They must live among Christians and others who do not belong to their race.

” If they are not excluded from the United States by the Constitution., within less than a hundred years they will stream into this country in such numbers that they will rule and destroy us, and change our form of government for which Americans have shed their blood and sacrificed life , property, and personal freedom. If the Jews are not excluded, within 200 years our children will be working in the fields to feed the Jews, while they remain in the Counting House rubbing their hands.

“I warn you gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jew forever, your children and your children’s children will curse you in your grave.

“Their ideas are not those of Americans. The leopard cannot change his spots. The Jews are a dnager to this land, and if they are allowed to enter, they will imperil its institutions.

“They should be excluded from the Constitution!”

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 12:13 | 508839 yakmerchant
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Seriously?  I try to stay out of these ridiculous flame wars between hyperactive ideologues, but please do not smear the good name of Benjamin Franklin. The shit that was made up by the propaganda ministers of the progressives and Nazi's has cursed our nation for the last 75 years and it makes me sick to think how the current group will "change the history" as they see fit in the future. 

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 12:52 | 508857 Max Hunter
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Of course, the adl is an authority on the truth.

No one can prove whether is was or was not said.. It sure as hell sounds about right..

I don't see it as a smear at all.. Neither do many others..  As a matter of fact, i've heard repeatedly how the fathers of this country were so called "anti-semites".. It adds up..

Your funny.. accusing people of changing the past... LMAO..  If that's not a zionism MO I don't know what is.. Thanks for your reluctant but "much induced" response..

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 13:05 | 508861 Citizen of an I...
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No one can prove whether is was or was not said...

Yet you still quote it as authentic.

It sure as hell sounds about right...

Perhaps to a mind poisoned with Jewhate.

Go ahead, quote the Protocols now.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 18:35 | 509089 Max Hunter
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'Yet you still quote it as authentic.'

That's because I think it is..

'Perhaps to a mind poisoned with Jewhate.'

Translation: someone that is not afraid to call it like he sees it..

'Go ahead, quote the Protocols now.'

Why bother.. You will deny that too..

No.. your right.. Jews have nothing to do with the Banking and money manipulation that has had us by the throat for 200 years.. In addition, they treat the Palestinians with the respect and humanity they deserve.. Plus, they have nothing to do with the media and AIPAC has no influence on our politicians..

You're a fucking joke..

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 21:53 | 509225 Citizen of an I...
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That's because I think it is...

That makes you a fucking idiot.  Enjoy it.  Revel in it.  Brag to your Bund meeting about it.

Keep it in mind as you masturbate to the fantasy of Jewhatemurder.


Sun, 08/08/2010 - 07:55 | 509426 Max Hunter
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Host: I don't think I need you anymore

Parasite: Your survival is due to my presence

Host: Hmmm.. I don't think so..

Parasite: Don't be crazy, i've shown you it's true.

Host: No, no.. I don't need you.

Parasite: You are an evil person full of hate.

Host: No.. no.. I'm aware of what's going on here. I don't need you..

Parasite: 'Keep it in mind as you masturbate to the fantasy of Jewhatemurder.'


Sat, 08/07/2010 - 15:20 | 508916 yakmerchant
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"No one can prove whether is was or was not said.. It sure as hell sounds about right.."

Okay then why did you post it?  Sounds right to who?  If I post some fake quote about how George Washington said "Mahometans are direct descendants of Satan" you couldn't prove he didn't say it either, however it would be actually closer than this piece as it would be closer the language of the times.


"I don't see it as a smear at all.. Neither do many others.. "

Speaks volumes.


"As a matter of fact, i've heard repeatedly how the fathers of this country were so called "anti-semites".. It adds up.."

Heard repeatedly from who?  Your Klan brothers?  What adds up?  I seriously think there are plenty of bad guys in Middle East politics, and I think the State of Israel is not without blame, but if you think that fraudulant quotes containing blanket condemnations of religions or races is something you should be posting on here to enlighten us, then maybe I shouldn't be so "reluctant" next time.  


Sat, 08/07/2010 - 18:41 | 509094 Max Hunter
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Don't be so reluctant.. I won't.. In addition, I will find quotes from other famous and well respected men about Jews and international jewry.. It's not hard..

Klan folk,, that's a good one.. Age old, time tested defense..  Nobody is buying it anymore..

The smell of coffee is filling up the whole damn house..

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 21:56 | 509229 Citizen of an I...
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In addition, I will find quotes from other famous and well respected men about Jews and international jewry.. It's not hard...


It's even easier, Jewhating scumbag, when truth and authenticity are non-factors.

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 08:05 | 509428 Max Hunter
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Actually, my best friend is a Jew.. He's the only person that knows the combination to my safe. I would trust him with my life.. Best friend i've ever had. Most trustworthy and selfless person I know.

No.. I don't hate Jews. I just hate ignorant ones like you.

I have the deepest admiration for many Jews.

I know that doesn't fit with the picture you are trying to paint of me so i'm sure you will call me a liar.  But then again.. That's what you guys do best right??

Why is it there is no response from the pro-Jews on here about this post:

You people are indifferent, pathetic, and transparent. I hope with all of my heart that I see the exposure and destruction of Zionism before they kill another cool million..

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 09:07 | 509440 Citizen of an I...
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Actually, my best friend is a Jew.....

LOL.  Suuuuuure he is.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 20:08 | 509143 Bringin It
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Max - Of course, the adl is an authority on the truth.  - Of course.  LMAO. 

Ah another day, another fire fight.

RichardP - How's that banning project working out?

Not too good it seems.  I'm still here.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 12:14 | 508840 Citizen of an I...
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Franklin never said that.  It's a fraud.


It's as fake as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 21:21 | 508846 Cathartes Aura
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[edit: given that I deleted my comment directly after posting it, "lol" to you indiscriminate mass Mega-phoney junkers who troll to junk posters you hate -disagree with my " . " all you like - reality is creeping in, you might want to just creep out]

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 00:19 | 509322 Suisse
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It's because it's "doom and gloom financials," this sort of site attracts some oddballs.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 00:00 | 508577 lynnybee
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why do ZEROHEDGERS junk the truth ?

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:00 | 508616 caconhma
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Another piece of Zionist propaganda.

The author is trying to present his BS as if it was the fact. The article is portraying Obama as somebody hesitant to commit American troops to a perpetuate mercenary for Israel. 

The Middle East is populated by more than 550 millions Arabs and less than 5 millions Jews. Consequently, Zionist want America to continue to fight their war.


As for America, it is an economically bankrupt country.  It is in no industrial position to continue its world gendarme status. Neither the USA nor NATO can afford endless wars.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 11:01 | 508812 Problem Is
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+11111111. Logically valid retort.

Thank you caconhma...

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 07:33 | 508729 Hedge Jobs
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i dont often reply ot my own posts from 12 hours ago but ive been out for dinner and and a few drinks, come home and found i have 18 junks for telling the truth!

fuck you junkers! +100,000,000,000 hedge jobs! on topics such as these the more junks you get the more you know you are right as the AIPAC trolls go through the site.

Nasrallah is one of the bravest men on the planet, defying one of the most blood thirsty, evil and murderous enemies humanity has ever seen.

long live Nasrallah and the resistance movement!

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 05:56 | 508746 Shylockracy
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Sat, 08/07/2010 - 08:33 | 508744 Remington IV
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we can only hope that hedge Jobs and Shylockracy get assassinated in the next week or two

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 09:07 | 508764 Hedge Jobs
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Thats not a very nice thing to say R4, wishing murder upon your fellow ZH'er who express an opposing veiw! Although a very typical zionist way of dealing with political opposition. I am not a palestinian buddy so you cant wipe me out that easily. ill be keeping an eye out for you though.

When the market falls and you are long do you wish death upon the sellers as well?

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 20:12 | 509147 Bringin It
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Hedge - Thats not a very nice thing to say R4, wishing murder upon your fellow ZH'er

Indeed, where is RichardP that wants to ban people (me in particular)?  What about calling for the murder of other posters RichardP?  Is that a bannable offense?

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 12:39 | 508851 Cathartes Aura
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we can only hope that hedge Jobs and Shylockracy get assassinated in the next week or two

that comment is fuct up on so many levels Remington IV.

I'm sure your "god" is well proud of you.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 13:38 | 508881 jakoye
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+1 billion

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 15:02 | 508961 Shylockracy
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You see remington, political assassination follows a different logic than ritual murder, or murder tout court. Political assassination is part of "terror", the preferred tool of illegitimate governments. To be effective, political assassination must strive for maximum publicity in order to instill terror in the hearts of the masses. If your wish is granted, and I, a mere private guy, end up being assassinated for expressing criticism of Zionism, you would not make any political gains unless you  manage to turn this into an very public example of Zionist terror and oppression. I reckon that in our present political climate, such an endeavour would backfire.


If I actually happen to die of unnatural causes in the next few weeks, be certain that your IP Address on ZH servers will be recovered through judicial warrant, and that most likely you will be investigated as a principal or at least as an accessory to murder. Mind you, the Jewish Defense League is listed by the FBI as a terror organisation, and we will make sure any suspicious connections of yours be included in the proceedings. You made a death threat over the internet, you are now on record.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 15:11 | 508966 jakoye
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Look at the Nazi invoking *the law*!

Run scared, little Nazi. Make sure to say "wee, wee, wee" all the way home.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 18:29 | 509084 Eally Ucked
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Everybody is a little nazi, and you guys are taking the best out of their books. If you look at what the nazis did AND YOUR CURRENT ACTIONS THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, is there any? I know the explanations, and they had their own too, but still when they lost the war, they were condemmed to death! You must have something better than that to explain your actions. You and us are building walls which will never work, nazis did it too, like in Warsaw ghetto or communists in Germany, did it help them? 

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 11:51 | 508832 Hammurabi
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Houzballah is very racist armed militia, homogenic members that belong to the same ethnic religious backgound, it is remind us of nazis in the 1920.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 12:24 | 508845 Citizen of an I...
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We'll they're both hell-bent on killing Jews too, so there's yet another similarity.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 20:18 | 509152 Bringin It
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Hezboullah is the valiant response to your years of oppression and murder in Lebanon.  Every time they thump you they thump you worse.  Think about that as you continue to provoke them.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 19:30 | 508268 breezer1
Fri, 08/06/2010 - 19:40 | 508281 Shylockracy
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The article correctly suggests that the American policy for the region in the past 50 years has now collapsed. It wrongly implies however that a more proactive involvement, i.e., war against Iran on behalf of Israel, might reverse the trend. The author fails to mention that it is precisely because US support for Israel is such an enormous political and financial burden, that US power is rapidly declining. In a nutshell, the author focuses on the symptoms of decline without mentioning the underlying geopolitical causes.

It is always worthwhile to reiterate the obvious: Israel is a hopeless colonial project, and no amount of nukes, AIPAC subvertion and propaganda could revert the political, geographical and demographic realities of the region.

Mitgegangen, mitgehangen as they say in, buh buh Israel, buh buh USofA.

PS. Gwynne Dyer has a short analysis on Mullen's 'plan' and the real military options the US has vis-à-vis Iran:

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 21:16 | 508396 TBT or not TBT
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The 800 kg gorilla in the region is still the USA.    It carries the world's biggest stick in that area, and in every ocean on the planet.   The US surrounds Iran with the most capable army and the most sophisticated weapons systems ever seen, while Iran is mired in the poverty that naturally emerges from a theocratic kleptocracy of the islamic variety, isolated, and hated by its non-persian neighbors.    Iran is struggling with a weapons technology the US got right the first time, 65 frickin years ago using leather and bailing wire, without even testing it first:  The worlds' first ever U-235 based bomb, proven on a Japanese city.   65 years ago dude.   They're still not there yet.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 19:49 | 508293 sysin3
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"Resiles" ??

I'm just a dumb-ass cracker from Alabama, but I'm pretty sure that resiles is not a word in any language that I know.  It does not even bear a resemblance to any word that I know.

Just sayin'.


Fri, 08/06/2010 - 19:55 | 508297 Shylockracy
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I think the author meant "recedes".

resile (rî-zìl´) verb, intransitive
resiled, resiling, resiles
1.To spring back, especially to resume a former position or structure after being stretched or compressed.
2.To draw back; recoil.

Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition  © 1996

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:21 | 508322 sysin3
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I acquiesce to you, Sir, or Madam, as the case may be.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 22:44 | 508507 RockyRacoon
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Like the word "resilience".  Not commonly used, however.  You have every right to be baffled.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 11:51 | 508831 OldTrooper
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Wow, junked for posting a dictionary entry!

A post with Israel, Arabs, US Military, Jews, Zionists, etc. sure does stir up mindless passions!

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:07 | 508316 zen0
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Don't fear new words. They may be something you have not heard before, but if their lineage is proper, it should be o.k. English is good for that.


Fri, 08/06/2010 - 21:36 | 508424's picture

Don't fear new words.




Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:58 | 508382 Johnny B
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Main Entry: re·sile; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; cursor: pointer; height: 11px; vertical-align: bottom; width: 16px; background-position: 0% 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; padding: 0px; border: 0px initial initial;" title="Listen to the pronunciation of resile" type="button" /> Pronunciation: \ri-?z?(-?)l\ Function: intransitive verb Inflected Form(s): re·siledre·sil·ing Etymology: Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin resilire to withdraw, from Latin, to recoil Date: 1529

: recoilretractespecially : to return to a prior position <resile from an agreement>


Fri, 08/06/2010 - 19:50 | 508294 newstreet
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Here we go again, soon to be another 300 comments full of anger and hate.  Can't we all just sell Euros and be friends?

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 19:58 | 508301 KAckermann
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That's the point.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 12:07 | 508836 OldTrooper
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Here we go again, soon to be another 300 comments full of anger and hate.  Can't we all just sell Euros and be friends?

No kidding!  But then this may be why the whole Israel-Palestinian thing hasn't been settled already.  Too much blame, not enought thought.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:01 | 508306 zen0
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Nasrallah, however, is adamant on avoiding any accusation of the HizbAllah. After all, Syrian intelligence killed Hariri while the HizbAllah’s security command only provided look-outs and perimeter security. Therefore, Nasrallah made Bashar a veiled offer which he knew Bashar could not refuse. HizbAllah would launch a propaganda campaign shifting the blame onto Israel. Any attempt by Damascus to interfere with this campaign would result in the exposure of the Syrian role.  

Do people actually read the material on these ME threads or just leap in with some reguritation??


The dog returns to its vomit, indeed.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:23 | 508344 Internet Tough Guy
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Just looking at the names of some of the posters here is enough to turn the stomach of most reasonable people. I wonder how far ZH will let comments go toward Stormfront territory. Not good for credibility.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:29 | 508354's picture

Off on a tangent about gentile conspiracies again, eh?

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 08:48 | 508755 Max Hunter
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Yeah.. I guess Hunter is a well known Scottish name that lends itself to hate..

Of course, now any dissent of Israeli war crimes will be promptly dismissed as racism and hatred.

Give me a break.. Are you fucks ever gonna give that angle a rest? You know it's total bullshit.. And so does everyone else.

(again, for add not reply to Crock.. Trying to keep my reply close to original comment)

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 21:30 | 508413 Bringin It
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Just looking at the names of some of the posters here...

For a group of people that regularly [that is until recently] went on and on about how exceptional they are, you are really proving to be rather dense.

Look at your idiotic name.  Read it.  That's right.  What does it say?

Internet tough guy - LMAO

Worry about your own credibility.  ZH is doing fine.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 22:47 | 508504 Chump
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Dense is what we call people who don't realize self-deprecating humor when it smacks them with a brick.


Fri, 08/06/2010 - 23:01 | 508525's picture

self-deprecating humor


Hey -- great! Tell us that one again where you strafed, torpedoed and napalmed the USS Liberty and killed 34 Americans including a friend of my Mom. I love the part where you throw up your hands and say, "Host du bie mir an avleh!" That part always cracks me up.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:07 | 508621 Arkadaba
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wrong post

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:58 | 508650 merehuman
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hi Bringin it. Whats with the common sense. You seem out of place here.

This tread is for wing nuts and lurkers like me,you didnt know?

Hey have a happy step in your step.

Ach du lieber, no wonder there is a problem

Captcha  x30= 1,080  too easy,  what no minus?

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:06 | 508314 Bagbalm
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Resiles is uncommon enough to establish how clever the author is so you are intimidated into giving his other ideas credit.

The US has the physical ability to destroy Iran in a day. It simply does not have the will. It has not had the will to fight a war and destroy an enemy to a clear and victorious end since WWII.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:30 | 508356 umop episdn
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So, how's that 'physical ability' working out for ya in Iraq or Afganistan?  Nobody wants to win a radioactive hell hole. Even the crude would be too hot to handle.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 12:41 | 508852 OldTrooper
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The US has the physical ability to destroy Iran in a day. It simply does not have the will. It has not had the will to fight a war and destroy an enemy to a clear and victorious end since WWII.

The US could not destroy Iran in a day without using nukes.  I doubt even the use of nukes would completely destroy Iran.  With or without nukes, the survivors would be tough, bitter and relentless - not exactly a foe that is going to sucumb easily.

The world wars skewed what we percieve as a 'victory'.  Victory is achieved when your political (international not domestic) objectives have been achieved.  This may or may not require the complete destruction of the enemy's armed forces, occupation of the country or unconditional surrender. 

Thus, the first gulf war was a victory.  Kuwait was liberated, Iraqi military forces were largely destroyed and, for a time at least, Iraq ceased to be a threat to its neighbors.  Wasn't that what the stated objectives were?

I'd say that WWII and the Civil War were the only US wars where 'unconditional surrender' was the political objective.  To say we haven't 'had the will' since WWII is not really true.  We haven't had CAUSE to utterly destroy a nation since WWII (or at least TPTB have not been able to sell on the cause since WWII).

See (not the best translation, but the only one I've been able to find online).

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 11:53 | 509540 TrulyStupid
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There is a problem with using nukes in a first strike war, other than it would be  illegal and genocidal of course. It would gaurantee an eventual response in kind, and fire up the same mentality on all the other hot spots in the world. There will be no "winners".

Even the most rabid war mongers during the Vietnam era eventually gave up the nuke thing and accepted a humiliating defeat at the hands of a third world country fighting for their own independance.

Keep in mind that the war and the threat of war is a huge profit centre for the military/industrial complex, Wall Street and particularly an ally whose name cannot be mentioned without personal attack from the Defamation Leaguers. It's in their interests to keep the dialogue hot.

Try to view these wars as a fight between transnational financial interests and the people of all the countries, Jews, Arabs, Persians, Christians et al.

Try not to be an unwitting shill for the transfer of wealth to these ruthless, amoral folks.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:21 | 508336 Internet Tough Guy
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Oilprice makes some unsupported wild claims; nothing new. But why do the jewhaters celebrate iran supposedly attacking a japanese oil tanker?

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:24 | 508342 Shylockracy
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That sneaky bit of disinfo -like a few others hidden here and there- and the tenor of the text did not go unnoticed.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 21:52 | 508440 Internet Tough Guy
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Disinfo? You believe the parts of the article you like, and dismiss the parts that don't fit your narrative as disinfo? That's convenient. Let me guess, jews blew up the tanker to blame the peace-loving Iranian head of state. You really are too good to be true. Maybe you are a zionist secret agent acting in a false flag psyops role, pretending to be a jewhater masquerading as a zioprovacateur. Oh, the possibilities. LOL.

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 22:17 | 508479's picture

Let me guess, jews blew up...

The King David Hotel bombing

The Lavon Affair

USS Liberty incident

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 00:18 | 508591 dkny
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Ergo Israel attacked a Japanese Tanker.

Your proof is indeed irrefutable.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 00:27 | 508599's picture

The usual suspects are the usual suspects for a reason. I notice that you did not attempt to refute any of the terrorist bombings committed by Israel which I cited above.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 00:52 | 508608 dkny
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I am not an ideologue like you, so there is no reason for me to do so. There are always details to be considered, particularly in the case of the Liberty.

In any case, pointing out events that took place a half a century ago (or more), hardly makes one a usual suspect, or absolve another (Iran) from any suspicion.

By the way, no Hitler's Jews in this post?

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:06 | 508620's picture

By the way, no Hitler's Jews in this post?

You play the role well enough, no need to guild the lily.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 01:44 | 508640 dkny
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Let me know when your "usual suspect" logic departs from the British Mandate times and enters the 21st century.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 02:23 | 508663's picture

On  May 31, 2010 your pirates attacked a ship in international waters and shot several people dead.

And, yes, you'll yawn and LOL and do everything you can to obfuscate, but the simple fact of the matter is that your day is done. It's just a damned shame that so many innocent Jews will suffer for the acts of murder you have endorsed in their name.

How anyone can cheerfully call for their nation to enter into a war of choice -- a war of convinience -- is beyond me. But that's the mentality that declared, "One Cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland."


The Brutal Zionist Role in the Holocaust The price of Zionism:




Sat, 08/07/2010 - 20:30 | 509155 Bringin It
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Cha Ching!

"By the way, no Hitler's Jews in this post?

You play the role well enough, no need to guild the lily."

Crockett - RichardP says be careful what you say to people like dkny or he might ... leave.  You can imagine how diminished ZH would be without the Zino-pumping of dkny, et. al.

I think the hidden message in the Hitler's Jews story is that the common Jew gets thrown under the bus, one way or another, while the elites make off with the cash.  So all the Zionist apologists on ZH baying for the blood of innocent Iranians, may just be unwittingly calling for their own demise.

My advise is let's not bomb anybody.

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 00:27 | 509325 RichardP
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Crockett - RichardP says be careful what you say to people like dkny or he might ... leave.

I wonder if you are being truthful in this statement. That is, I wonder if you truely think that is what I meant by my heads-up to you.  It's sad if that is all you got out of what I said.  On the other hand, you are twisting my words here just like you twist the words of others.  Same old same old.  My guess is the twisting is intentional.  I wonder if you understand what that does to your credibilty.  I think you are capable of better.

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 12:38 | 509561's picture

My guess is the twisting is intentional.

Tue, 08/17/2010 - 22:14 | 527473 Bringin It
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Chubby Checker!  Great.  About 1:20 in, Chubby can twist.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 02:03 | 508653 merehuman
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Details like USS Liberty being napalmed by the israelis? Or was it the detail about the strafing of our fellas?

Pardon my ass , but being x military, even as a fuckup i still have loyalties to our boys and the USS Liberty incident shows what a good friend the israelis are. Aint forgetten jackshit.

Now thats how i feel about, back to being mellow.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 02:27 | 508666's picture

John Spicher who went to school with my mom was murdered on the Liberty. He was hit by a rocket and died on deck as his crew mates tried to give him aid.

Here he is:

You can see his grave and those of his crew mates here:



Sat, 08/07/2010 - 03:02 | 508684 dkny
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It is truly despicable the way you abuse this incident, and the dead, to further your own agenda.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 03:17 | 508695's picture

Yes, it's despicable to remember old family friends that you murdered.

Fuck off.



Sun, 08/08/2010 - 15:50 | 509690 dkny
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So you claim, but yet you don't think even once before bringing that up as an attempt to evoke an emotional response to further your agenda.

The discussion is not about whether the vessel was attacked, but rather whether it was intentionally tragetted as an American vessel.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 20:37 | 509162 Bringin It
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dkny- As the mask falls, we see how inhumane you can be.  Have some sympathy for the victims of our outrages.    And to think RichardP is worried that you might be chased away from ZH.  What a loss that would be.

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 00:32 | 509326 RichardP
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For the record, RichardP is not worried that dkny might be chased away from ZH.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 02:58 | 508683 dkny
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With all due respect, the ship was in an active warzone at the time, and every war has its share of, well, friendly fire.

Just by skimming the wikipedia article I see things like this:

On the night of June 7 Washington time, early morning on June 8, 01:10Z or 3:10 AM local time, the Pentagon issued an order to 6th Fleet headquarters to tell the Liberty to come no closer than 100 nmi (120 mi; 190 km) to Israel, Syria, or the Sinai coast (Oren, p. 263). [2](pages 5 and Exhibit N, page 58).

According to the Naval Court of Inquiry[18] (p. 23 ff, p. 111 ff) and National Security Agency official history,[19] the order to withdraw was not broadcast on the frequencies that the Liberty crew was monitoring for orders until 15:25 Zulu, hours after the attack, due to a long series of administrative and communications problems.

So, there are two ways to look at the matter of the Liberty: one is that it was a case of friendly fire, and the other, which the original poster has an agenda to push, is that of an intentional attack.

You seem to be in the "friendly fire" camp, so in that case I don't see how "loyalty" has anything to do with it. Also, the type of ammo hardly prove or disprove a case of friendly fire (assuming we agree on that), since, for example, the same kind of ammo was used in Korean war case of friendly fire:

To me it appears to be quite, as you said, a fuckup, but others wish to shamelessly employ this incident for their propaganda, while ignoring its proximity to the area of hostilities (raises the risk), and also failing to provide any motive (backed by facts) to justify their conspiracy theory.

The wikipedia page makes for an interesting read that highlights the complexity of the event and the confusion that took place at the time. However, as I've said, others wish to simplify certain details away for their own agenda.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 03:26 | 508696's picture

I believe the American sailors who were there -- not you.


Others agree:


"Accidents don't occur through repeated attacks by surface vessels and aircraft. It obviously was a decision made pretty high up on the Israeli side, because it involved combined forces. The ship was flying an American flag. My judgment was that somewhere along the line some fairly senior official gave the go ahead. I personally did not accept the Israeli explanation."  -- US Secretary of State Dean Rusk

"...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty."   -- CIA Director Richard Helms

"I have never believed that the attack on the USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity. That is ridiculous. Israel knew perfectly well that the ship was American." -- Admiral Thomas H. Moorer

"I can tell you for an absolute certainty  that they knew they were attacking an American ship."     -- Oliver Kirby, former deputy director for operations/production, National Security Agency.


Lots more here:



Sat, 08/07/2010 - 11:36 | 508824 dkny
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Soundbites sound good, but obviously don't convey the complexity of the engagement.

I should note that the three guys you decided to quote, pretty high up in the chain of command -- undoubtedly for effect -- are usually most removed from the details, just as Obama recently demonstrated with his remarks regarding the Cambridge police department.

Still, I have to admit, they look very convincing, and relieve you from doing any critical thinking or presentation of a rational argument.

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 09:02 | 508763 Max Hunter
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Are you really going to go that route DKNY?.. Wow.. that's about as fucked up as i've seen on here.. How about the sailors? How they repeatedly raised U.S. flags?...

This proves 2 things about you.

1) you are an obvious piece of shit zionist that cares nothing about human life in particular Americans.

2) you are pushing Wiki like it's the gospel.. Only a pure idiot moron or shill would be stupid enough to do such a thing.

Whatever ever U.S. or Israhelli agency sending these shill should really look into getting better ones. Even the stupid people you normally collect with your bullshit are able to see through this crap..

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 11:20 | 508819 dkny
dkny's picture are pushing Wiki like it's the gospel.. Only a pure idiot moron or shill would be stupid enough to do such a thing.

I think you just had a case of friendly fire on your buddy, since he's the "pure idiot moron or shill" that originally linked to it.

How about the sailors? How they repeatedly raised U.S. flags?

Yes, I'm sure that if I was there I'd also be convinced that the other guys are morons for not noticing my attempts to "clear things up", but on the other hand, I also understand that a guy in a plane zooming by might not be able, or have the skill to properly distinguish between different ships. Additionally, such details as the speed of the ship prior to the attack and possible wind conditions may very well have impaired the visibility of the flag, regardless of the fact that it was on the mast. And once an attack starts, identification is even less of a concern, regardless of how hard they may have tried on the ship.

So, if you wish to remark on such complicating factors as the proximity of the ship to the shore, or the possibility that the flag was not clearly visible prior to the start of the attack, then we might have a discussion.

A proper discourse would be much more preferablethan to the usual zionist-psyop-shill babble that you usually post.

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