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Guest Post: The Enduring Middle East Strategic Framework Begins to Emerge as Iran Surges, and the US Resiles
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The Enduring Middle East Strategic Framework Begins to Emerge as Iran Surges, and the US Resiles
The lingering impact of August 3, 2010, clash on the Israeli-Lebanese border lies in the greater context of, and wider strategic dynamics in, the Middle East. These aspects were highlighted by HizbAllah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah in his speech later that day.
See Defense & Foreign Affairs Special Analysis, August 4, 2010: Clash on Israel-Lebanon Border Holds Potential for Strategic Escalation.
Overall, the issue dominating the overall situation in the Middle East is the reaction by the local powers to the emerging new grand strategic reality: namely, the demise of the United States as the dominant regional power. This is a dramatic reversal of a concentrated US policy of more than half a century.
Back in the Autumn of 1956, the US intentionally undermined the strategic posture of two of its closest Cold War allies, Britain and France. In the late-1960s, the US capitalized on the British unilateral withdrawal from the Persian Gulf and the active Soviet interceding in the Arab-Israeli conflict in order to consolidate the US role as the dominant Western, and later global, power in the Middle East.
This posture endured even after the US betrayed its close ally — the Shah of Iran — and permitted the rise of the Islamic Republic in the late 1970s. Consequently, however, the US has had to intensify its direct involvement in regional crises, culminating in the US active war-fighting in and against Iraq. Come August 31, 2010, the US will be abandoning it all with the disengagement from Iraqi security affairs and the beginning of a year-long withdrawal.
Led by an assertive and determined Iran, the aspirant powers of the region cannot wait to fill the void that is already emerging as the US is disengaging from military operations in Iraq and the Persian Gulf. This strategic posture is aptly demonstrated by the US Barack Obama Administration’s explicit abandonment of the twin-pillars of the US regional posture — Israel and Saudi Arabia — leaving them to cope on their own with a nuclear Iran.
Moreover, the US is exerting immense pressure on Israel not to strike Iran for fear of derailing the rapprochement with Iran which the Obama White House is seeking, and the possibility of Iranian retaliation against the remaining US presence in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the Persian Gulf energy infrastructure.
Tehran is cognizant of the significance of these developments. Iran had already started its drive to exploit and fill in vacuums created by the US in the early 1990s. At the time, Iran exploited the widespread trauma as a result of the US undermining and shaming of both (Iraq’s) nationalist Sunni Islam and (Saudi Arabia’s) traditional-conservative Sunni Islam in the 1990-1 Gulf War in order to push its own Shi’ite-based doctrine of revolutionary-militant Islam. By 1992, Sudan’s Hassan al-Turabi adapted the Iranian jihadist tenets and adopted them into the Sunni neo-salafite doctrine, thus setting the grounds for the ascent of the jihadist trend now popularly associated with Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and their supporters.
Presently, Tehran is ready to surge and exploit the far more significant vacuum which will be created by the US de facto withdrawal from Iraq and Persian Gulf. The continued global preoccupation with Iran’s nuclear program serves Tehran’s interests for it constantly reminds friends and foes alike about Iran’s claim to regional and global preeminence. Tehran uses the nuclear crisis to project self-confidence and threaten its neighbors against counting on the US to protect them.
The Obama Administration is playing into Iran’s hands. For example, on August 1, 2010, the US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, publicly acknowledged that the US had contingency plans for “the military options [which] have been on the table and remain on the table”, but quickly qualified that any military action against Iran could have “unintended consequences that are difficult to predict in what is an incredibly unstable part of the world”.
This caveat did not prevent Tehran from issuing counter-threats on August 3, 2010. “If any threat strikes against Iran, the Islamic Republic armed forces are fully prepared to counter them on the ground, sea and air,” IRGC Brig.-Gen. Ahmad-Reza Pourdastan stated. “Military threats of US officials against the Islamic Republic are nothing new, we’re certain that the US military forces are in an appalling condition. The increasing number of deaths and suicide among American forces attest to the failure of the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
Just to be sure that Tehran’s message was not lost on the West Iran orchestrated on July 28, 2010, a non-lethal attack on the Japanese-owned supertanker M. Star while it traveled through the Strait of Hormuz. Apparently, the IRGC fired a few rockets/missiles with inert warheads at the supertanker, thus reminding everybody of Iran’s ability to do greater damage should Tehran choose to.
No less important was the US Fifth Fleet’s inability to prevent the attack, or identify and strike at the perpetrators. The recent claim by the Abdullah Azzam Brigades that the attack was carried out by a martyr-bomber named Ayyub Al Tayshan cannot be taken seriously because the dent in the tankers outer wall and damage to the crew’s cabin are the result of an external explosion and/or the impact of a projectile fired from sea-level; that is, a boat or a shore battery.
Concurrently, Tehran demonstrated its dominance over the key political developments in the Arab world using Damascus as the implementing proxy.
First came the Iran-sponsored mediation between various Shi’ite factions in Iraq. In late-July 2010, Tehran oversaw a series of meetings in Damascus between Iyad Allawi, Moqtada Sadr and Nouri al-Maliki in which the outline of a Shi’ite-wide coalition dominated by Tehran was formulated and agreed upon. It was in Damascus that all leading Shi’ite politicians agreed to Sadr’s demand that the US-backed Maliki would not be elected to a second term specifically because of the US endorsement.
Former transitional Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, who had been unseated under US pressure for his pro-Iran policies and replaced by Maliki, has emerged as the compromise candidate. Tehran’s overt dominance over the Iraqi Shi’ite political maneuvers — albeit in Damascus rather than Tehran — are a slap in the US face.
In early August 2010, Saudi Arabia’s King ‘Abdallah bin ‘Abd al-’Aziz al Sa’ud traveled to Damascus in order to confer with Pres. Bashar al-Assad. King ‘Abdallah’s primary objective was to explore ways to prevent the eruption of violence in and from Lebanon. Riyadh is most worried about Tehran using the HizbAllah in order to provoke a regional war with Israel, a war which Iran would then be able to exploit in order to further its regional aspirations to the detriment of Riyadh’s vital interests.
Given Tehran’s penchant for exploiting US election seasons for strategic gambits, and given Washington’s indecisiveness and weakness, the King had just experienced first-hand in his visit with Obama, King ‘Abdallah’s apprehension is warranted. Bashar al-Assad made it clear he would not break his close ties with Iran which he considers to be the guarantor of his survival.
However, Bashar agreed with King ‘Abdallah that the eruption of violence in Lebanon would be counterproductive. Essentially, King ‘Abdallah and Bashar have a common short-term objective but conflicting and contradictory long-term goals. Both want to prevent in the near-term a major war which would involve Israel and Iran. In the near-term, King ‘Abdallah fears the ensuing ascent of Iran at the expense of Saudi Arabia, while Bashar fears the destruction of Syria by a vengeful Israel which might lead to his toppling by the Sunni majority.
In the long-term, however, King ‘Abdallah dreads the ascent of Shi’ite Iran while Bashar considers Shi’ite Iran and the HizbAllah as the saviors of the Allawites’ hold onto power against Syria’s Sunni majority.
Hence, King ‘Abdallah and Assad traveled together to Beirut in order to convince Prime Minister Saad Hariri not to challenge Nasrallah’s ascent, fearing that Nasrallah would react with fury to any limit on his power and thus instigate a crisis that would escalate out of control. Just to make sure there was no “misunderstanding” by Hariri, Bashar or King ‘Abdallah, on August 3, 2010, Nasrallah instigated the clash on the border with Israel in order to demonstrate that he could both provoke and flare-up a war (as he did in the Summer of 2006), and that the HizbAllah was in control of the Lebanese Armed Forces or at the least their Shi’ite units.
That evening Nasrallah delivered a major speech in which he stressed the strategy and objectives of Iran and HizbAllah.
“Today we are marking four years since the Lebanon’s victory over the strongest and most terrorist military in the region,” Nasrallah declared. He quickly tied this anniversary with the clashes on the Israeli-Lebanese border earlier that day. “I wanted to start on this topic, but what happened today on the border between Lebanon and Palestine, in which officers and soldiers from our national military fought a battle of heroism, necessitates mention of their strong stance and their sacrifice.” Nasrallah stressed that the latest clashes were an integral part of a continued Israeli aggression against Lebanon.
“Israel’s aggression against Lebanon, its land, and its sovereignty never ceased, but continues in various ways. It has manifested itself in no less than 7,000 Israeli violations of Lebanese sovereignty since August 14, 2006, over which the world prefers not to open its mouth. These violations occur in the air, land, and sea, and what we saw today was just another expression of this.” HizbAllah, Nasrallah stressed, had been the primary guarantor of Lebanon and its interests throughout this period.
Nasrallah then stressed that HizbAllah intentionally stayed out of the latest clash out of respect for the wishes of the Lebanese Armed Forces. HizbAllah notified the Lebanese Army during the first moments of the clash of its willingness to help. “From the first moment, the opposition went on high alert in the region, followed all the events, and was in contact with the command headquarters. We notified the Lebanese military: We are prepared, we are with you, and we will help you with everything, if needed. Our people and our equipment stand at your disposal,” Nasrallah said. The decision on the extent of HizbAllah’s involvement was reached in direct consultations between HizbAllah and the highest ranking officials in Beirut.
“We also contacted the president, the parliament chairman, and the prime minister and updated them on this. We told them that we will not initiate any move, despite the painful images we saw. They asked for a quiet and responsible opposition. The message was clear to the Israeli enemy: Lebanon, all of Lebanon, will not leave any aggression on its occupied land unanswered and will stand by this courageously,” Nasrallah explained.
Nasrallah then addressed Israel and warned of the dire consequences of any Israeli aggression against Lebanon. “You are the ones threatening war, but Lebanon is not afraid of confronting you. All of the military alignments you dealt with are above the surface, but they are within fortified embankments. Even though we don’t have equipment on the same level, our fighters fight with courage and shocked them.” Nasrallah threatened that HizbAllah “is on alert and is ready to help the military in all the villages on the front. We are not concerned and are not hysterical like their coward settlers. The nation, the opposition, and the military have paid in blood for this act of heroism, but they did not bear fruit. Officers and soldiers in the Lebanese military are our brothers and loved ones. How could it be that the opposition will sit with its armed crossed from now on as the military is bombed? I will saw honestly: We will not sit with arms crossed, and the Israeli hand outstretched to strike the Lebanese military will be cut off by the opposition.”
Nasrallah then shifted to the original theme of his speech: the possibility that HizbAllah officials would be indicted by the International Special Tribunal investigating the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri in February 2005. Originally, the Tribunal identified and was ready to indict senior Syrian intelligence officials and their accomplices in Lebanese intelligence. However, this option was put aside for political reasons and alternate low-risk approaches — such as blaming HizbAllah — were explored.
Nasrallah, however, is adamant on avoiding any accusation of the HizbAllah. After all, Syrian intelligence killed Hariri while the HizbAllah’s security command only provided look-outs and perimeter security. Therefore, Nasrallah made Bashar a veiled offer which he knew Bashar could not refuse. HizbAllah would launch a propaganda campaign shifting the blame onto Israel. Any attempt by Damascus to interfere with this campaign would result in the exposure of the Syrian role.
Nasrallah blamed Israel for exploiting the tragic demise of Hariri for its own nefarious objectives. “They [Israel] speak of a big explosion, a civil war, crisis, and more. We want to expose the truth surrounding the circumstances of al-Hariri’s death, something that from our perspective is the right of every Lebanese. We want to protect the unity of Lebanon and the well-being of its citizens.”
Nasrallah then promised to reveal in a week time the whole truth about Hariri’s assassination and the responsibility of Israel. “This coming Monday [August 9, 2010], I will hold a press conference during which I will present evidence of Israel’s involvement in the al-Hariri assassination and the goings-on in the international tribunal in The Hague. We will present significant proof that Israel, via its agents, tried to convince al-Hariri already in 1993 that HizbAllah wants to assassinate him. We blame the Israeli enemy for the assassination, and the figures I will reveal will open new horizons in the investigation that will lead to the identity of the true murderer.”
And with that promise, Tehran and HizbAllah have wrested control over the political dynamic in Beirut, Damascus, and in effect the entire Arab world. And the threat of a regional explosion keeps rising.
Source: http://oilprice.com/Geo-Politics/Middle-East/The-Enduring-Middle-East-Strategic-Framework-Begins-to-Emerge-as-Iran-Surges-and-the-US-Resiles.html
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I have watched and read enough about the USS Liberty from the survivors to gain insight. The fact that you and the Zionist owned media disagree with the survivors is of no value to me or anyone else with 2 brain cells to rub together..
Nice try.. shill..
HAHAHA!
As expected: name calling in the face of details :)
no name calling here. just simple facts.
i worked with someone who was aboard the Liberty when it was attacked.
according to him, first they were hit by aircarft, then torpedoe boats, then the vessel was strafed as the crew members attempted damage control and rescue ops.
i rest my case
Yes, his use of the word "shill" is not name calling, and he definitely did not avoid remarking on the two things I mentioned.
As for your remark, the statement of what happened from one point of view hardly translates to proof of some sorts regarding of how the vessel was perceived by the other side. Nor do emotional appeals regarding loyalty and the sort.
That fact that the ship was hit by airplanes and then by boats hardly builds a case, since that was a way to deal with a perceived enemy vessel.
If you wish to mak a case for an intentional attack, you'd have to articulate it better, and provide a reasonable motive.
Just keep telling American servicemen that they are lying when they tell you how Israel murdered their shipmates. Nothing could sink you faster.
Just "keep telling them" that?
What part of his post "started" that?
The part where he denies that the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a deliberate act despite the testimony of the crewmen to the contrary.
Why do you hate America? And why do you think that a nation which you so disgain should pay your way in the world. This isn't some sort of international welfare program for America haters, you know.
The crewmen are not in a position to know if the attack was deliberate. They can only state what they saw, or their opinion that it was deliberate. Absent omniscience or really keen psychic powers, though, they cannot know it was deliberate.
Why do you hate America?
But I don't. Despising Jewhate does not equate to hating America. Sorry to have to set aside more of your bullshit.
The crewman were not in a position to know what you know?
You do hate America. That's why you try to cover up the murder of our friends on the Liberty. You are so full of yourself that you don't even realize that people object to the murder of their friends.
Go to this site created by the Liberty survivors and read it. Now.
http://www.ussliberty.org/
Purely random thoughts:
You say "he" ...how many men do you know that would openly use 'dkny' (a well known fashion label) as their handle, or place smiley faces at the end of a sarcastic comment? Granted, I may be a quart or two over (or, from your perspective, under) the standard allotment for testosterone, but couldn't your radar be just a bit off, having started this conversation with the end in mind?
And FWIW, I find the stark objectivity presented by 'dkny' to be fascinating. I'm always amazed (read: disappointed) by how (hyper-emotional) people react when confronted by reason and logic.
You are leaving out the biggest Israelis psyops of all: 9/11
The biggest indeed - 9/11. I wonder what false-flag outrage they have planned to get war with Iran underway?
But why do the jewhaters celebrate iran supposedly attacking a japanese oil tanker?
Why do you always cry out "jewhaters" when you attack gentiles?
Crockett - I appreciate your critique and posts in general. I just want to add that I prefer the language "jewhater" to the ridiculous "anti-semite". In the case of "jewhater", at least the semantics of the accusation are correct and therefore much easier to refute.
Labelling critics anti-Semetic obscures the fact that
- the majority of Jews are not Semitic and
- the most aggrieved victims of Zionism are the Semitic, Palestinian people.
I just want to add that I prefer the language "jewhater" to the ridiculous "anti-semite".
I also prefer it when the bigots use the word "jewhater" as that vitriol is so easily turned against them when one sticks to a simple (re)iteration of facts while maintaining a calm countenance.
the majority of Jews are not Semitic
Ashkenazi -- coincidence?
- the most aggrieved victims of Zionism are the Semitic, Palestinian people.
Even Ben-Gurion admitted that the Palestinians are the descendants of the biblical Jews. The current crop of Zionist are actually apostates and, funnily enough, therefore fulfill the role of Anti-Christ so feared by the Christian Zionists.
Why don't you just run along and go play with your Hitler Youth costume or something?
Seriously, the number of anti-Semites on this board is just sad.
Why don't you just run along and go play with your Hitler Youth costume or something?
They ran out of uniforms after these fellows showed up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4QcgKUamBA
HAHAHAHA!
Seriously, I'm goin to start tearing up with laughter whever you post this, as it is getting rather pathetic.
Here, my post will exorcise your deamons:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/israel-vows-retaliate-against-mondays-attack-blames-hamas#comment-503899
Seriously, I'm goin to start tearing up with laughter wherever you post this, as it is getting rather pathetic.
So the Zionist ploy of calling everyone who disagrees with the policies of Israel's government a Nazi is a good and worthy tactic, but pointing out the fact that tens of thousands of Jews served in Hitler's army is "pathetic."
I suppose that when one belongs to a group which considers itself to be superior to all others and one meets resistance, one finds it impossible to accept that such resistance is occurring.
That's a valuable bit of information and is just the sort of thing that will lead to your downfall -- that and the gross immorality of your cause.
HAHAHA! This is an even more major LOL!
Hitler's Jews, baby, Hitler's Jews.
Try to keep it on your own topic -- which you refuse to address -- instead of attempting to transform it into some nonsense about superiority.
Try to keep it on your own topic -- which you refuse to address
If that's the case then why are you working so hard to try to refute me? Doesn't really make any sense does it? Too much LOL when you'd be better advised to execute a swift and stealthy retreat.
To be refuted, you'd have to make a statement first, but it appears you are too cowardly to do so, or afraid to expose yourself.
I'm merely countering your veiled hints with details and facts.
your veiled hints
I have openly called the Zionist regime liars, thieves and murders, having cited the bombing of the King David Hotel, the Lavon bombings, the attack on the USS Liberty and the ongoing crimes against the Palestinians.
You have ears but you do not hear. You have eyes but you do not see. You have a mouth which runs on to no avail as your lies have lost their luster.
We see you now.
Funny, I could swear there was supposed to be something in there regarding your favorite topic of "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers".
Why won't you cut the strawman items and spit it out already?
Let me help you start: "I think that Hitler's Jewish Soldiers prove that __________" (fill in the blank)
HAHAHAHA!
I have no idea what you're on about. It's your conspiracy theory, you fill in the blank.
You fear so much to say what you think that it is amusing.
Like they say, sunlight is the best disinfectant, and you certainly dread it.
This is one of the strangest methods of "attack" I have ever seen. How is accusing me of believing in "blank" supposed to further your agenda?
Looks like you got nothin' left.
dkny has something like a sound track loop playing through his head that he responds to. He has these aha moments and gotcha's that are totally related to the sound track that only he can hear and have nothing to do with the conversation/exchange he is supposedly engaged in.
In following along, I'd have to agree. And in my opinion, there really is nothing worse than a coward.
Thanks Crockett - Very informative and inciteful. You can see by their reaction the facts are challenging their identy-self. Stand by for dkny-nervous break down. Very entertaining.
"It is a paradox, a conudrum because this is not a situation people think of when they think of World War II." - Larry Price (jewish?) film maker.
Care to share some of those facts challenging "identity-self"?
Seems like you two (or is it one?) are part of the vague brigade, so I wonder if you'll be able to deliver any of those facts.
BI,
You gotta love the way dkny alternates between disputing the arguments we present and saying we haven't presented any arguments at all!
I suppose that that sort roundabout technique might work on some less motivated souls, but when you actually know people murdered by the Israelis it sticks in your craw.
Veiled hints and suggestions are hardly an argument. I've merely presented the facts to nullify them.
No matter between how many accounts you alternte to stroke your own ego, you're still a coward for refusing to answer a direct question and state what you think.
Now you're just grasping at straws. Both BI and I have made very specific allegation against your government. You know EXACTLY what we both think and we've present strong evidence to back up these allegations. That's why you have to LOL your fears away post after post. Whistling past the graveyard.
Again, another example of - dkny has something like a sound track loop playing through his head that he responds to. He has these aha moments and gotcha's that are totally related to the sound track that only he can hear and have nothing to do with the conversation/exchange he is supposedly engaged in.
LOL @ "your government".
That government didn't exist during your Hitler's Jews days, but you still try to point fingers there in order to avoid answering my question, and consequently, exposing yourself as a nutjob.
You're suggesting it's not?
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HJ12Ak01.html
"Jews sell 'em, Catholics buy'em, and Protestants make the commission"
As usual screwing over the friend (Israel) while sucking the dick of the enemy (Iran). Typical fucking Democrat.
Here's a collective junk for all you anti-Israeli dumbfucks. Thanks for making ZH a mockery once again.
The day you stop cheering for the deaths of American servicemen and innocent civilians throughout the Middle East (Israelis included) will be the day when you find some inner peace.
Make tea not war!
++ Crockett.
Re. Tea - what to do when the tea party leading lights, as annointed by the MSM, all want to curtail spending so that there's more available for the Zionist entity?
Scot Brown, Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, even Rand Paul.
Salvation may be coing, but not in November, IMO.
tea party leading lights, as annointed by the MSM,
That's the funny thing. The Tea Party is not "an organization" as such despite the efforts of some people to co-opt the idea and infiltrate it from the top down. And it is just those people whom the media picks up on because they find it impossible to report on a story without presenting it in a collectivist context. Neither the government nor the media has the ability to think in terms of individual actors. Each of us is invisible to them: they will never see "you" or "me," they can only see "us" as members of one special interest group or another.
And that is why they will never truly corrupt the Tea Party. The Tea Party only exists as a vehicle for individuals to voluntarily and temporarily associate in joint objection to government action. Any Tea Party faction that espouses specific candidates or proactive policies can only degrade and deteriorate as no individual politician or socialist cause (either welfare or warfare) can sustain the real passion of the Tea Party which is incumbent on standing up and shouting "No!"
No to taxation.
No to tyranny.
No to slavery.
No to anti-Semitism!
If it's anti-semitic to seek an end to US government support of Israel then I am an anti-semite and I will call it out from the mountain tops.
Yes, it is anti-Semitic to push for the US to end support for Israel. Because everyone knows that without US support, Israel would've been wiped off the map long ago. It's simply a numbers game, no matter how incompetent the various Arab armies and leaders have been.
Some people try to cover their true position and say "Well, I'm against ALL foreign aid, not just foreign aid for Israel". It's a great cover, but the truth is that the majority of aid goes to Israel and without it, Israel wouldn't stand a chance. And that's exactly what the anti-Semitic, anti-foreign aid crowd want.
You just said:
Yes, it is anti-Semitic to push for the US to end support for Israel.
Again:
Yes, it is anti-Semitic to push for the US to end support for Israel.
Again:
Yes, it is anti-Semitic to push for the US to end support for Israel.
The prosecution rests its case.
What tortured logic! Let's be clear then. I am generally in favor of foreign aid and specifically opposed to aid to the criminal entity Israel. Aid to Israel only buys more death and misery while further impoverishing the American people. Aid to israel encourages intransigence instead of peace. Aid to israel comes back in some portion to buy the spineless American government.
How's that jakoye and you too dkny. Is that clear enough that even you two can figure it out?
Your only option is to get down off your high horse and genuinely seek to make peace. I hope you are successful.
pro -smiteism? you should see my ants semi!
You should see my auntie's embolism. Poor old girl doesn't have much of a chance.
Work for AIPAC, do you?
Shill.
Insults are the poorest form of argument. There is a difference between Jews and Zionists. Crockett is making a credible case for anti-zionism. A case that can be made in other arenas as well (central banks, Rothchilds, etc.)
The jewish people are like all people. They want to raise their children, live in relative peace and a secure future.
The Zionists have never cared for the jewish people and have used them as cannon fodder. They have hid behind them and pushed them in front of the bullets that result from their own actions.
Rarely do people make the distinction between the two and this is unfortunate.
The Zionists have never cared for the jewish people and have used them as cannon fodder. They have hid behind them and pushed them in front of the bullets that result from their own actions.
Entirely true. All these cheer leaders for death and mayhem are calling for their own end.
You actually believe that shit?
Here ya go, jewhater:
"One Cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland" ....Izaak Greenbaum
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/index.cfm
I'd rather throw my lot in with the Jews than the totalitarian Sharia thugs. Now that Muslims are building a mosque near Ground Zero and Europe is overrun with Muslim immigrants, perhaps we can appreciate the genius of The First Amendment.
I'd rather throw my lot in with the Jews
Great. You can join Pollard in prison.
You have done already, dear boy.
Next thing you will tell us is that your moniker "Oswald Spengler" is product of your admiration for German culture and scholarship, and not an imposture intended to hide your ethnic background and deceive the gullible Americans into fighting your wars. Yeah, right.
The "I pick your pockets and you fight my wars" shtick is getting really old.
You conveniently ignore the fact that Saudi Arabia is the country that America fights for. The Saudis were anti-Saddam, the Saudis are anti- Iran nukes. How cum you just say it is Israel? The Saudi oil money has more lobby lolly than Israel, so don't be a dick.
You conveniently ignore the fact that Saudi Arabia is the country that America fights for.
No - we own Saudi. They do what we tell them to. You own us. We do what you tell us to.
Clear now?
Now, now, racists, don't bicker. You are only playing into the hands of the jews. LOL.
How is my comment racist? Rr do you just randomly throw that out there?
This is the famous "Chomsky Gambit": Blaming the Saudis and arguing that Israel is merely a pawn in the hands of American Imperialist Corporate Fascism.
Chomsky's reaction to Mearsheimer and Walt's book "The Israel Lobby":
"Uh, what lobby?"
Go away, Hitler Jr.
Hitler's Socialistic tendencies were inhumane, just like we see now in the bloody ethno-theocracy he helped to create in Palestine.
jakoye
Member for 1 week 2 days
The new arrival demands that the long standing member "go away!" This is HIS forum after all.
Now who could have seen that coming?
That is correct. I go after Nazis whether they're young or old.
Great. There's still a few of these guys around. You can round them up and give them the Adolf Eichmann treatment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcDpptCdYY0
tutor boy will know the force someday.
from one of my favorite american movies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnO9Jyz82Ps
jakoye - don't say "Go away, Hitler Jr.". You will get banned. Just a heads up.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/noamchomskygatekepper26sep05.shtml
Since 9-11, he has steadfastly refused to discuss the evidence of government complicity and prior knowledge.
Furthermore he claims that the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Bilderberg Committee, and Trilateral Commission are "nothing organizations." When critiquing poverty, he...
never mentions the Federal Reserve and their role in manipulating the national debt.
Similarly,
he claims the CIA was never a rogue organization and is an innocent scapegoat; that...
JFK was killed by the lone assassin Lee Harvey Oswald; that the obvious vote fraud in 2004 did not occur; and that peak oil is real and good for humanity.
RE: Chomsky
Back in university my psycology english and poltical science profs were all mentioning Chomsky. I read all of his books and he is an excellent rhetorician. I bothered me though by what he didn't say for he said so much so well and therefore has lost that ultimate credibility "trust". Yes he has lots of facts but carefully seleected to manufacture consent by providing the neccessary illusions.
Now whenever I hear some mention Chomsky in a manner to give their position credibility I feel sorry for them as their education and evoloution as a person still has so far to go.
many of us were "educated" along the same lines, dogbreath. . . and some of us also experienced the awareness of how "education" is often used to structure a mind in a particular fashion, to create loyal, unquestioning "citizens". . .
++ for demonstrating how a real education teaches you how to think, and that is a life-long habit well cultivated.
Jeff Blankfort has made througout the years a thorough exposé of Chomsky's deep cover Zionism. It helps a lot that Blankfort himself is jewish, given the Zionist stranglehold of the American public mind, but even he is not spared the typical Zionazi slurrs; anti-semite, nazi, jew-hater yadda yadda yadda.
The Israel Lobby and the Left: Uneasy QuestionsBy Jeffrey Blankfort
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/pg-blankfort.html
thank you for the link Shylockracy. . .
you, and many others on ZeroHedge deserve respect for persistence in the face of mega-phony-ness - in my own case, the more I read, the more incredulous I am - of historical agenda & deceits, even to the national secrets that prevent citizens from holding their leaders accountable for actions taken.
the dis-info, the myths, the deliberate lies. . . it can be disheartening, to say the least. . . I'm grateful to the ZH community for the courage to share information, however uncomfortable, so that EACH of us might decide for ourselves what to believe, or not.
Thank you, Cathartes Aura. The respect is reciprocated.
At this juncture it is time for decent people to stand up and speak up. After WWIII starts it will be too late: dissenters will be ostracized, sent to the front as cannon fodder, to the Gulags or straight to shallow graves.
No clean bill of health to the Saudis from me, but the notion that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were for the Saudis is baseless.
You only have to check the Protocols of the Elders of Zion titled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" and the infamous PNAC plea for a New Pearl Harbor "Rebuilding America's Defenses".
"A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm
"Rebuilding America's Defenses"
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a long-disproved forgery. Now I know you are a Zionist disinfo agent, sent to discredit the brave anti-zionist movement led by Comrade Nasrallah! Tell the truth, mossad boy.
Knowing Jewish supremacism and hyper-tribalism, my first reaction would be flattered when a Jew call me a Jew. But then I see, as in your case, that it is just another deceitful attempt at obfuscation and diversion, and I resign to feeling sorry for your tortured soul.
How many shekels are they paying you for this clever plot, rabbi?
Again with the conspiracy theories. I didn't know you could make a yarmulke from aluminum foil.
Sporty.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html
Haha... "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"! Oh, that's almost too rich!
Really, man, you're convincing no one with your hate and your lies.
Try working on your reading comprehension. Start by not moving your lips when you read.
Thanks for the advice, Nazi, but I have no need to read your various conspiracy theories and outright fabrications. Frankly, they bore me. They're all the same: "The Jews did it!".
We get it. You hate the Jews. You're an unrepentant racist. All of which makes you a complete tool.
Another apologist for fascists posing as an intellectual. Where do live? San Francisco?
There's nothing more fitting than having the colonized come to the home of the colonizers and use up all resources just like the colonizers did centuries ago. Westerners may have a short view on history but other civilizations measure time in millenia and don't forget so easily. I'll be happy when the Hope Diamond is back in India!
And I'll be happy when you and all who think like you meet your maker.
Can I just say, I love that picture you're sporting. I look forward to every post you make!
Wow, you are Portnoy. They're gonna find you makin' out with a piece of liver behind a billboard one of these days.
"" This strategic posture is aptly demonstrated by the US Barack Obama Administration’s explicit abandonment of the twin-pillars of the US regional posture — Israel and Saudi Arabia — leaving them to cope on their own with a nuclear Iran. ""
I think there is a lot to this statement; all over the world no one knows where they stand today because of Obama, even the americans dont know whose side he is on. He has been more destabilizing than israel or even the internal islamic "sunni vs. shia or whatever other sect" conflict that rears up anywhere there is a shortage of infidels to kill, like in indonesia, turkey or pakistan. Obama has reset the deck in a way that nobody can understand and that is very dangerous because it makes some powers afraid and encourages others to become agressive.
Obama is the mulatto Jimmy Carter. A giant power vacuum of kissy face.
Yes, of course, the mongrel races should not offend the chosen few.
The only mongrel here is you, dumbass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhJZXOWNdMM
That's my other dog imitation.
jakoye - you're not making any friends are you?
What did WC Fields say? "I wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member"?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on being "friends" with a bunch of Jew-hating racists. As the Vandals said "Nazi punks, fuck off!"
That was Groucho you duche-bag. A joke on the self-hating meme that you wankers love to go on about. Get it? Groucho? Groucho Marks? Ever heard of him?
all over the world no one knows where they stand today because of Obama
What a pitiful statement. I know exactly where I stand. But then again, I'm not the type to go begging for someone else to fight my battles or pay my way.
Know what I mean, comrade?
I know where Obama stands. He stands with every totalitarian organization suppoted by communists and Israel haters.
Why not fire off a memo to Rahm Emmanuel and ask him to get on that right away? What with his native exceptionalism and all it ought to be short work.
Crockett --> ++synergy ;-) We're on the same wave-length. Obama hates Israel? If only ...
He stands with every totalitarian organization suppoted by communists and Israel haters.
Absurd statement. Obama was selected by and is surrounded by Zionists. Do we have to trot out all the names in front of you again?
Here's one. You know, Rahm, the IDF dude, son of Irgun terrorist? Obama's chief of staff? Ever heard of the guy? You want us to believe Rahm hates Israel?
Wow, if you keep this up, no one will believe the 'exceptional' thing any longer.
Obama's handlers are constrained by geo-political and sovereign financial realities. Soon, even you will understand this and it's implications for your colonial endeavor.
You don't know the difference between a Zionist and a Court Jew, do you , punk?
Would you racists make up your tiny minds? Am I supposed to hate the jews or the A-rabs? Or the mulatto Obama? This is soooo confusing.
Its easy. Hate 'em all equally.
Finally, a racist who doesn't take himself too seriously. Cheers.
Hey, most people are idiots, so it is easy to categorize someone pointing out particular idiocies as being racist, when in fact, they are expressing a deep humanistic instinct in their descriptions of human behaviours as being idiotic.
laosuwan - Ah, the fake Lao woman with a hard-on for Israel. Have your friends told you what your name means yet? Care to make another attempt at guessing? Why don't you go away and finish your sex change operation?
kop jai lai lai
Figure that out dumb-ass.
Maybe you are the dumb-ass. You could only deal with the name of the poster but not the material posted.
Thus you cannot be taken seriously.
zen0 - You need some context. Some Zino-philes [not you ... yet] deny their ethno-centric stake in the contest to hood-wink others into believeing that their Jewish supremacy ideas and rabid hatred of Mulims are commonly held beliefs by just about everybody. They do this by masqurading as someone they are not. I call BS on this tactic to decieve. Here's laosuwan's claimed identity
#495423 "I admire jews for fighting against the racist arabs who want to kill them in order to fulfill their religious duty in the koran. my awareness of islam began after my uncle was murdered by muslims in southern thailand for the "crime" of being buddhist and by my personal experiences living among muslims in middle east in my work. my opinions about them are based on my personal experiences and by studying their own texts. anyone who looks at the outcome of world history can see that islam is an expansionist military cult and a threat to the whole world. Only the stupid multi culti hippies of the west fall for islam's lies."
In addition to exposing laosuwan as an insufferable bigot, this cover-story is complete bullshit because;
- No Laos nationals have been killed in the southern Thailand violence. And ...
- laosuwan does not understand a word of his/her supposed native language.
For example - I asked the simple and appropriate question - What does your name mean?
Here's the response. #494058 "its my nick name. it means sweet girl from laos"
It does not.
If you support this kind of charade, you know - We are the world, We all hate Islam ... and think it's appropriate then f' you too.
I take offense at the peaceful and friendly Laos people being tagged with this slur by the idiot laosuwan.
You know, Laos is pretty much run by the Vietnamese. I have been told that you can not get into Vietnam on an Israeli passport and this link seems to support same. Look for Vietnam under Asian countries that afford visas to Israeli passport holders. It's not there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Israeli_citizens#Coun...
Using resounding non-Jewish monikers and impersonating other races and religions is typical Zionist astroturfing.
Megaphonies: lies within lies in name of theft and murder.
Thank you for the context. I bears the marks of truth.
Very interesting.
A tip of the hat to you too sir for the honesty of your reply.
And a tip of the hat to you, racist pig.
Pig?
That's not kosher.
Would you prefer "swine"? It does have a more sinister sound.
Wife: I don't want ANY spam!
Man: Why can't she have egg bacon spam and sausage?
Wife: THAT'S got spam in it!
Man: Hasn't got as much spam in it as spam egg sausage and spam, has it?
Vikings: Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam. Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Spam spam spam spam!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
A tip of the white hood to you, grand wizard.
Nice!
Just noticed your pic. I love the Vandals!
Thanks. When in Rome, do as the Vandals.
i can't think of a thing to add to this whole over 300 comments, except
I L OV E the V A N D A L S ,, too.
You know I have asked you three times to stop trolling my posts. I never said I am Lao, you did. I am Thai. The word suwan means gold. Its a joke among my friends about lao girls, There is no way you would understand southern thai humor any more than I understand your babble about hebrew . Not that you have any right to demand to know who I am or what my name means in the first place. As for my uncle, yes he was shot in Pattani while buying rubber and you are a real creep to ask me to prove it. I had to sit next to idealogs like you when I went to school there and i am sick to see your kind polluting my country now that I am back. So, again, I ask you to stop bothering me on this blog. Nobody wants to hear from you anyway, Crocket. I mean Bringin it.
Don't let 'em bother you too much. They're loud, but they're few in number. We killed a lot of them in World War II and we'll definitely kill some more soon enough.
Hopefully these turds will put their bodies where their mouths are and go fight against the "gawddamn Jooos". Israel knows exactly how to deal with these racist pigs.
I submit that the vile creature among you ZHers, who called our little jakoye a "gawddamn joo" as he alleges, should have his foreskin ritually amputated as a token of chastisement and contrition.
It is clear this led him to severe mental stress, incoherent speech and -G*d forbid!- even perhaps to 'resile' into phoetal position.
Nobody called me a Jew (I'm not, so it wouldn't matter if they did). But I'm definitely on the side of the Jews, the most persecuted people in history.
Persecuted by scum just like you. You're a Nazi and you and your kind need to be exposed for the lying sacks of shit that you are.
Zionist terrorist supporter!
Shrill sloganeer.
Haha! Yes!
You're not a Jew and neither is laosuwan. No one believes you. Not even you, you pig.
Don't call me pig or RichardP will have you banned.
this pretty well sums it up for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI
That's a funny way to beg for foreign aid.
they / he doesnt bother me per se, we see them in Bangkok and Pattaya but just turn our heads away. what bothers me is seeing the new comment icon in Track and having to waste time going there to check it out for nothing, hoping to find something interesting or useful a memeber has contributed but finding some gibberish and insult instead. That's what annoys me.
speaking of nazis, here is my favorite video of palestinean nazis. you have to laugh when they try to put the nazi label on the jews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HStliOnVl6Q
laosuwan - You lazy, incompitent, good for nothing fool, you are not Thai. You are borderline illiterate and your "Uncle" story is pure hogwash.
The word suwan means gold. No, it does not. Try again bitch.
If you promise to stop being a troll, go away and never come back, I will tell what 'suwan' means and I will also tell you how to say 'gold' in Thai.
By going on like this, pulling fake stories out of your ass and detailing them on ZH, you are providing proof positive that you are incompetent, ignorant and lazy, not the least because you don't know how to look any of this up before you make a fool of yourself.
You better watch it or the tribesmen are going to recognize you as the embarrassment you are and boot you out of the tribe - fool.
I'm saving your post above, #508528. It's priceless man.
Let me know if you want to take me up on the offer above to provide you with some Thai or Lao vocabulary. But remember your part of the bargain, you have to scram, hide your face in shame and never come back.
now its five times I have asked you to please stop harrassing me. I am not writing any posts to you and you keep harrassing me with your crazy stuff about my name. then next time you are in pattaya why dont you look at the name of all the gold shops. Again, stop harassing me. dont post to me; I dont want to hear from you.
Look if you are going to keep making completely false statements directed at me you are going to get a response.
"... then next time you are in pattaya why dont you look at the name of all the gold shops. Again, stop harassing me."
You know this is completely untrue and you are just making it up as you go along. To set the record straight, No, 'suwan' from your name laosuwan has nothing N-O-T-H-I-N-G to do with gold as you claim. How stupid do you think people are?
If it appears I have no respect for you, it is true, I don't. You are just lying thru your teeth. But don't dispare, RichardP loves you and could care less what kind of BS you are spreading.
For anyone else that may be interested at this point, 'gold' in English is 'tong' in Thai
http://www.thai2english.com/dictionary/gold.html
I have asked you six times to stop harassing me. What business is it of yours how I got my nickname in the first place? The joke lao gold means roughly beautiful girl or guy who likes beautiful girls in the southern dialect, because there are so many in Songkla. That’s it.
Tong is the common word for gold used in everyday speech. The reason I say go look at a gold shop is that normally we use suwan in the written form for the noun gold, especially for place names. For example, the first syllable of the name of our airport, Suwanapoom. I would spell it for you in Thai if I could get the font to stick on the web page but I can’t so here is the link.
So stop sending me your replies as you are not part of the thread and I don’t want to hear from you. You are making this blog unbearable.
http://english-thai-dictionary.com/index.php?cx=partner-pub-8648041545939821%3Albkxf2j87k5&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=UTF-8&q=%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B8%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A3&sa=Dictionary-search&fields%5B%5D=related&siteurl=english-thai-dictionary.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddictionary%3Bsa%3Dsearch#882
@BringinIgnorance:
So you speak Thai, huh? Yeah... I seriously doubt that. Most Jew-haters are horribly uneducated and can barely pull off English.
You, sir, are a true piece of shit.
The pot calling the kettle black. The oh-so educated resorts to ad-hominem attacks.
Benjamin Freedman Warns America
The following transcript is a word for word copy of the speech made by Benjamin Freedman in 1961 at the Willard Hotel. This is a very famous lecture that still causes controversy today as within the speech he outlines the Zionist influence in America at the time and how they used their influence to bring the USA into the second world war in return for a promise by the British (the Balfour declaration) that they could settle in Palestine.
Mr Freedman was an ex Zionist himself who later converted to Catholicism and was part of the Zionist delegation that attended the Treaty of Versailles in which the seeds of World War 2 were laid. In the speech Mr Freedman discusses how the Balfour declaration was a reciept given by the British government to the Zionists in return for their help in bringing the USA into the war on Britains side. He also outlines how this was seen by Hitler and others in Germany as treachery of the highest order and was one of the primary reasons why the Nazi’s hated the Jews so much.
Not only does this speech look at a part of history that still affects the world today from a different perspective it is also used by those on the far right as proof of a global Jewish conspiracy. For this reason Mr Freedman was seen by the pro-Israeli lobby as a self hating Jew and for that reason alone its worth understanding why they hated him so much. Whether you agree or disagree with the views outlined by the speaker is irrelevant to me but it’s worth reading for its historical significance.
http://www.darkpolitricks.com/benjamin-freedman-warns-america-part1/
Sorry klansman, that is a forgery. You are so dumb you would probably burn a cross on your own lawn.
For once, ROFLMAO applies!
click on his own link. when you see the word tong click on reverse lookup and you will see the formal noun for gold, suwan. you know, there is a saying, never argue with idiots because people watching may not be able to tell the difference" and its true. I am staying off comments on anything to do with israel from now on because it brings out the inner cable guy in some people; its not worth the hassle you go through in hopes of finding something useful or new.
You total dis-information hoser. The link you provided above is not the reverse look-up.
This is the original link I posted. http://www.thai2english.com/dictionary/gold.html
This is the reverse look-up link. http://www.thai2english.com/search.aspx?q=gold&rl=y
Notice the syntax. 'q=gold&rl=y' rl=y as in reverse lookup = yes.
When looking at the 10 entries in the reverse look-up page, you will notice that 'gold' is mentioned in every entry and 'suwan', from laosuwan is nowhere to be found. Why? Because 'suwan' has nothing to do with 'gold'. 'Suwan' means ... I'm not going to tell you laosuwan as in your ignorance, you will just make another attempt to rework your bogus story.
So, Good Bye. I can imagine the energy involved in maintaining your fake persona is a heavy burden on you. I applaud your decision to move on. I hope it's true. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. And say hello to your "uncle" for me.
Stop harassing me with your lies.
Thanks.
>>>When looking at the 10 entries in the reverse look-up page, you will notice that 'gold' is mentioned in every entry and 'suwan', from laosuwan is nowhere to be found. Why?<<<
Because 'suwan' is not an english word, so it wont be found in the database. enter the word correctly in thai script to look it up or look in a real dictionary, if you can read Thai. Really, how are you able to come to my country and survive here with such little skill? I am guessing you must be an english tutor or some other low level job like that . Here, I will do it for you.
http://www.thai2english.com/dictionary/20223.html
A note to Bringin It - you can be banned from this blog if you cross a certain line. I'm thinking you will cross that line soon if you continue harrassing a fellow poster like you are doing. I, for one, won't be sad to see you go. Your insults aren't teaching me anything, and I'm here to learn.
Bringin It has harassed no one.
jakoye, on the other hand, says he wants to see people die.
Somehow you missed that. It just wasn't obvious to you that death threats coming from a Zionist might be a bad thing. And you wonder why people are finally catching on to your little game.
Bringin It has harassed no one.
You are not the one who will decide whether he gets banned. TD may see things differently. I'm just giving BI a heads up.
You're not frightening anyone.