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Guest Post: Extreme Leverage, Extreme Instability, Extreme Risk

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Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:00 | 1146653 10kby2k
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Replay of 1999.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:05 | 1146680 YouBetYourLife
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Or a replay of 1973.  Only worse.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:04 | 1146684 whatsinaname
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Or replay of 1987 - with a 400 point drop on the S&P ? haha

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:07 | 1146692 the not so migh...
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April 1933

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 07:01 | 1149133 tomster0126
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More like 2012!  Hah, what if the Mayans' prediction comes true in the form of the biggest global economic collapse ever?  The Global Depression



Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:13 | 1146714 tmosley
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More like 476 AD.

Happily, our Dark Ages will be shorter, and less dark, as technology exists and knowledge is spread far and wide--almost impossible to wipe out by any means.  Just so long as we don't have a hoard of uneducated barbarians sweep down on us and kill everyone with such knowledge.

But the hegemon will fall.  Make no mistakes regarding that.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:20 | 1146738 Jonas Parker
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Deja Moo - or, somewhere I've heard this bull before!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:23 | 1146760 covert
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my favorite way to invest. quite right. the only risk is in the unknown.



Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:02 | 1146662 Pat Hand
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Yes.  Oil is the linchpin of the world's tightly-coupled system...  let me re-recommend Bookstaber "The Demon of our own Design"


We are doomed for many reasons...


Thu, 04/07/2011 - 17:38 | 1147124 rocker
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We have all heard about the increases on margin for the metals.

CNBC's guest just said Traders can trade a MILLION dollars of Oil for 50 thousand dollars. (1M vs. 50K).

Guess who trades oil everyday. JPM, C, and GS. Hello. Why are banks trading oil with our money jacking up the price?      

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:02 | 1146667 whoopsing
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great post!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:19 | 1146674 Cognitive Dissonance
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It's all black magic to the average Joe and it's intentionally projected as such in order to generate overall apathy and a general feeling of helplessness. Everyone just sort of hopes everything keeps cooking along and they don't wake up one morning dead as a door nail. Or worse alive, but without mother's little helpers such as gasoline, electricity, food and transportation.

When everyone gets their food at "stores" and their money from machines, it is inevitable that we will worship that which we are dependent upon. All hail Bernanke/BOA, Exxon, GM and Safeway.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:21 | 1146743 whoopsing
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Yes they count on the old shrug of the shoulder's and the 'what can I do?' attitude of the little guy.They know we have to play the game in order to stay in our ' sphere of comfort and safety ' . But this just propel's them to notch it higher and higher. It seem's resistance is coming from somewhere soon . Will the house of card's hold?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:04 | 1146682 TaxEstate
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The ONE thing that brought this house of cards down during the Financial Crisis is still firmly in place, and arguably even worse: Leverage. The last crisis was a 'fart in the wind' compared to what's coming...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:06 | 1146683 99er
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Three targets:

Wolfe Wave 1325

H&S 1312

AB=CD 1246



Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:25 | 1146764 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Utter utter junk son, give it up.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:06 | 1146685 topcallingtroll
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Let us indeed check back in 15 months.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:07 | 1146688 Global Hunter
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These are the same people who think that the crisis in Japan is a local problem and doesn't effect anybody else.  They think its 1 country out of 190, nothing to see here folks.  Tell that to the 25,000 workers in North America affected by Toyota plant closures.  And that's just 1 example.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:21 | 1146751 ziggy59
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you are correct..I guess they never heard of cause and effect - heck this more like the butterfly effect, only im calling it the Godzilla Effect.

he's got radioactive hallitosis

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:28 | 1147302 andybev01
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Mothra effect.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:07 | 1146695 tickhound
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green shoots, crocus, recovery in earnest... The Federal Reserve - A Global Force for Good.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:10 | 1146704 tek77blu
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here's a great interview by peter grandich that talks about these same risks, and a possibly retest of the march 09' lows of the stock market: http://www.contraryinvestorscafe.com/peter-grandich/

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:14 | 1146716 YouBetYourLife
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I'm ready to pull the trigger and order the solar panels I've been scoping out for the past few months.

Things are becoming more surreal by the day. It's as if we're on the Titanic, racing across the frigid Atlantic at night, with Captain Bernanke at the helm.  Full speed ahead - after all, we're unsinkable, right?

When this supply system breaks, it's really going to break. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:33 | 1146798 Catherine007
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yes. cash on hand, gold, guns and a BIG food supply!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:13 | 1146724 Catherine007
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Trump on Obama including birth certificate debate...


Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:23 | 1146761 whoopsing
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 If trump run's and win's there will be gilt column's on the Whitehouse - he's one tacky bastard

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:31 | 1146781 Catherine007
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correct. amazing though he admits they are in Libya for oil and that the rebels could be Al Qaeda. Aren't these the same people who blew up the Twin Towers?? The whole show is just becoming ridiculous. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:46 | 1146865 whoopsing
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As fun as it was to hear him speak the truth , the look on merideth's face was even better

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:53 | 1146886 flattrader
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Birth Cert issue is the best "Rope a Dope" strategy I've seen in a while.

I often wonder if the O Campaign didn't invent it or if it just fell into their lap.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:15 | 1146725 Sudden Debt
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The DOW may end at 36000 points while we'll be at the center of the biggest shitstorm in centuries.


Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:17 | 1146732 nah
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Give me a black swan and i care not who makes the laws.



Thu, 04/07/2011 - 17:02 | 1146947 Vendetta
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Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:25 | 1146765 LawsofPhysics
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Mark to unicorn baby.  Now where did all those unicorns go?!?!?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:28 | 1146780 Caviar Emptor
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Leverage is another way of saying "we'll make it all up with more growth in the future". Otherwise there would be only risk and dubious benefit. 

So a central question is: are the expectations for future growth delusional? 

One look at Paul Ryan's budget proposal answers that question. But that's a problem straight up and down the economy where most institutional investments are predicated on a rosy picture. 

Our mature post-industrial, post-capitalist economy predictably won't generate growth levels we've seen in the past. During the first three years coming out of the Great Depression, Real GDP growth was 10.8, 8.9 and 13%. Coming out of the 1981-82 recession Real GDP growth in 1983 hit 4.5% and 7.2% in 1984. Now we're happy with 2-3% coming out of a deep recession. 

I won't even mention jobs recovery and growth during those periods which was brisk and rapid. All that points to a new paradigm of low growth. Unfortunately it's not because of national debt but in spite of it. It's the result of the consumerist economic model which neutered America's industrial base. Even if we cut the Federal deficit we still have a giant trade deficit because the consumerist economy is fully import dependent. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 17:26 | 1147080 tawdzilla
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If you consider our deficit is 10% of GDP, real GDP growth right now is really more like -7%.  We are circling the drain indeed with unserviceable debt and a weak tax base.  Paul Ryan says our debt/GDP by 2037 will be 800%, but I'm not sure if we'll even be around that long to see it.    

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 17:07 | 1146959 blindman
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risk = probability x consequence.

consequence is subjectively determined and valued.

my 2 cents

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 17:08 | 1146969 mind_imminst
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It certainly looks like the another leverage shit storm is coming our way, but as someone mentioned earlier, knowledge is more widespread (as well as mass communication systems). Efficiency is improving. People and companies are still inventing things. Some market participants (entrepreneurs and innovative companies) are creating real value. The only problem is that I don't think the efficiency and value creators can keep up with the destruction being wrought by the central banks.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 17:09 | 1146986 toros
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Thu, 04/07/2011 - 17:11 | 1146987 Smiddywesson
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Excellent post Tyler. 

This has occupied my thinking for quite a while.  A highly efficient society is just another way to say you live in a society that will fail if anything at all goes wrong.  Squeezing more zing out of the system comes at the cost of lost robustness.  In a society where millions of people live without sufficent local sources of food, water, and energy, what happens when something goes wrong?  The Japanese earthquake is a good example.  In a world of zero inventory and just-in-time delivery, the shelves were bare in under three days.

Because of leverage, the number of things that can crash that efficient system has multiplied.  Because of leverage, people are at an historic level of ignorance about the possibility that it can happen to them.  A $50k hummvee, yeah they have that, but a few sacks of rice and beans and a water filter, that makes you a kook!  People will spend thousands of dollars on stuff they don't need, including all kinds of insurance, but real insurance, the kind that feeds you and your family just in case, they won't spend a lousy $100 on that.  They are too busy discussing American Idol I guess. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 17:25 | 1147075 Geoff-UK
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CHS is not value-added on ZH.  Please cancel his posting privileges soonest.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 17:40 | 1147123 flattrader
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No effn' kiddin'.

CHS wrote--

Extreme Leverage, Extreme Instability, Extreme Risk

and the went on to state the

Extremely Obvious

to all the the brain dead.

If he wanted to discuss real leverage, instability and risk a discussion of derivatives, which seems to have fallen off the radar recently, might have been worthwhile (but, probably beyond him.)

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:19 | 1147268 SHRAGS
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Oil is to modern society what gold is to the financial system - Exeter's Pyramid.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:23 | 1147279 honestann
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The predators-that-be don't care how completely they destroy the people, the nations, the economy.  They do what predators do... grab whatever they can.  Unfortunately, unlike other predators, human predators do not just grab what it takes to fill their belly today, they grab what it takes to fill their insatiable desire for wealth and power, which knows no limit.

The predators-that-be, and the entire predator-class need to be dealt with exactly like predators of other species... they need to be exterminated.  Nothing less will do, because nothing else will stop them, and because today the entire predator-class support and protect each other.

On the practical matter of leverage, synthetic leverage must be eliminated.  All forms of fractional reserve practices must be eliminated.  All forms of creating "loans" or "assets" or "money" or "currency" or any other financial instrument out of thin air must be eliminated.

We must return to real, physical gold, silver, and any other real, physical, valuable assets as "value", not pieces of paper called "money" or computer bits.

Time for humanity to "get real"... or go down in flames.  There are no other choices.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:16 | 1148285 Milestones
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Right on post!  Hell yes, I'll drink to that. I think the species has come upon the shit-or-get-off-the-pot decade.There is no mere of kick the can.     Milestones

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:27 | 1147298 gwar5
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I guess I must be a contrarian investor these days... I'm just looking to preserve what I've got and keep it from being confiscated by the Fed through exessive printing.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:52 | 1147817 thedrickster
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I'm writing a 20K credit card check and buying FAZ in the morning.

Is that considered leverage or karma? 1:10 reverse splits make me rich in the Bernank's nominal terms, suck it bitchez.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:42 | 1148621 Bartanist
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You can add "food & water" as being highly leveraged as well. The entire world food system is now very dependent on the highly leveraged energy sector.

Without cheap energy supplied by a small and decreasing number of players 6 billion people starve to death globally.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 07:02 | 1149135 tomster0126
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The New Dark Ages are here, the collapse is inevitable.  Start stocking seeds and look for splots of arable land to swoop up once disaster hits, it's gonna be rough.



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