Guest Post: Failure: Don't Despair, It's The New Normal

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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:35 | 1240393 mynhair
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I will take it personally, in that dips far out of my reach, did it to me.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:03 | 1241674 Ahmeexnal
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"This is John Galt speaking."

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:32 | 1240395 Xibalba
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ANOTHER margin hike in silver?!?!?! We're closer to the brink that most realize....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:36 | 1240404 mynhair
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The more hikes, the merrier.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:36 | 1240399 Timmay
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Soooo, Sell?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:33 | 1240400 nope-1004
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In a terrible irony, those who do take their own lives are often those with the highest sense of responsibility and highest personal standards;


That's why a white collar bankster criminal will never commit suicide.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:57 | 1240569 andybev01
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The only people who have such a great sense of despair over what they deem to be 'failure' are those whose yardstick only measures the accumulation or loss of 'wealth'.

Lighten up, open the door, step outside and take a friggin' walk to the park and revel in something real like a beautiful day.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:24 | 1240756 topcallingtroll
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Its only money.

Relationships are more important.

We can live well on rice beans potatoes and cornbread if we choose.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 05:50 | 1242256 uhb
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+10.000.000 Points

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:03 | 1240632 sabra1
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no, but we can surely assist!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:45 | 1241605 flacorps
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For them there are wicker head baskets...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:35 | 1240405 economessed
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I, for one, wish we could fail faster.  The slow motion "extend and pretend" & "fake prosperity" variant of failure we have is getting in the way of the sustainable future I so anxiously await.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:09 | 1240660 cossack55
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Roger that, econo.  Hard Times by Studs Terkel is a oral history of the great depression #1.  Written in 1970, many of the key players were still alive.  Interviewed big players, small players, and everone in between. Some interesting insights into the suicides at that time.  Well worth the time, not some dry history tome.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 02:31 | 1242155 I Am The Unknow...
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+1 economessed  This is like having to go to the dentist every day for years for the same root canal.  I mean, really, please, just fucking get it over with already.   

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:37 | 1240414 Rainman
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Money managers are dissing the banks......can't understand what's inside the box.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:38 | 1240416 lolmao500
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But but but revenues are increasing!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:42 | 1240445 Sokhmate
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I declare the Keynesian experiment a successful failure. Thanks.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:44 | 1240462 TraderTimm
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If you don't have reserves, despair is plentiful. The corollary is those who do, rarely care about those who do not.

It is partly about pride and the overwhelming circumstances beyond their control. It is a hell I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:42 | 1240465 Timmay
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Silver bears, Silver bears, it's Christmas time in the city....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:22 | 1240726 topcallingtroll
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Not to be a troll

but even if the bull in silver is still intact it could be up to 18 months before achieving new highs.

Meanwhile you get to watch everyone else make money whether it is a couple of months or much longer.

It is hard as hell not to puke up the silver in an eventual capitulation, but almost as hard is to continue to buy on the way down. Those who oppose high priced silver want to make this as painful as possible.

Can you handle watching silver drop to high twenties in a long slow downward grind? Think about what you can tolerate and plan accordingly.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:28 | 1240763 Timmay
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Hmmm, you must be thinking the U.S. dollar will survive....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:54 | 1240915 Absinthe Minded
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"Can you handle watching silver drop to high twenties in a long slow downward grind?"

Absolutely, I bought most of my silver in thlow to mid teens and I'm sure a lot of these good old boys did a lot better than I did. Bottom line, do you see this getting any better? Do you see how they can pay off all of this debt without making the dollar worthless? I'm an optimist but to put this as nicely as possible we're not half empty or half full, we're fully fucked.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:29 | 1241558 Id fight Gandhi
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Some old timers or chart readers are looking back at the old peak and still view it as a commodity not alternative to fiat. I think they are the ones in denial that paper money can rebound and all will be ok.

The debt of the country isn't going down anytime soon and there's really no hope for growing tax revenue.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:07 | 1241262 Re-Discovery
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Just as it isn't a profit unless you sell.  It isnt a loss unless you sell.  I added today, in retrospect, at the wrong time.  Then bought several stocks at session lows and bounced right back.  I also have bigger longer term positions I never touch.

I could buy and forget.  Or I could just wait til its lower.  Either way, it IS going higher than the old highs.  (And I didnt see anyone else making money today.)  If everything goes down, Silver's coming back faster.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:15 | 1241514 Bicycle Repairman
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"Can you handle watching silver drop to high twenties in a long slow downward grind? Think about what you can tolerate and plan accordingly."

It won't be a slow grind.  Then there is this: Fuck you.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:11 | 1241981 Diogenes
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Looking forward to it if I am so lucky. Missed the boat @ $16 - $18.  Will load up if I get a chance like that.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 02:47 | 1242165 I Am The Unknow...
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I would jump for joy at the chance to buy again at $17.  I don't think that is going to happen unless the New World Currency happens to also be called "dollar" and is denoted by "$" 

Meanwhile, I bought May 6 $41 SLV puts yesterday at a decent price.  I had no idea margin hikes were coming and I hope this gives me some profits on the way further down.  This is total F*ing B*shite what is going on, but I hope to capitalize on it as it goes further down.  If my June $45 SLV calls expire worthless I will be one pissed off mofo.   

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 03:55 | 1242203 Urban Redneck
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If someone didn't capitulate after '87 or '08 or the intervening corrections they are not going to now.  If they are buying silver in the first place, they might also be less concerned with keeping up with the Joneses and their fiat profits.  However, if someone recently came to the silver market to lose their virginity riding the volatility machine, then they are fucked.  The veterans in the market learned to embrace the suck a long time ago.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:43 | 1240483 Seasmoke
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i never understand if people think the powers have messed them up so bad that they have no other options, why they dont take a few of them with them......i doubt i will ever get that feelingof despair as i love to fight, but if i do, i promise i will not be going solo

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:10 | 1240667 I Got Worms
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Joe Stack says Hi.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:13 | 1240670 topcallingtroll
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So would you just take out your boss?

Maybe a grandma and a couple of kids at Lubys?

Or would you have the balls to attempt to go to the lair of one of the beasts?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:25 | 1241985 Diogenes
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You don't understand depression. You get to the point where you look forward to death the way others look forward to a Caribbean vacation, for the same reason.

If you are still capable of caring about anything in this world you aren't there yet.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:56 | 1240567 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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"pushing individuals into a deep sense of failure"

- And rightly so, failing to stop fascism entrenching a once great land and people. Oh well, too late now, irreversible... let it burn before it infects the whole planet terminally.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:13 | 1240669 cossack55
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Gotta match?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:15 | 1240694 jm
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Is it really so wrong to feel a sense of failure when you fail? 

Let's say you live in a house that you haven't paid a dime in mortgage on for a year.  Isn't a sense of utter pathetic failure the appropriate prelude to getting your shit together?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:36 | 1240814 cossack55
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If the note is held by any of the TBTF or fraudclosure firms, I would feel a sense of VICTORY.  I would not be so happy if it was a small, local bank. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:44 | 1240849 jm
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There is a lot of denial going on, and it is what is getting in the way.

Banks have a bailout, so they aren't willing to restructure mortage debt.

So people live in denial about their income, and they don't make their house payments.

Creditors and debtors both get subsidized.  Guess who pays?


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:46 | 1240869 Id fight Gandhi
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We used to be Captialistic nation where businesses that fail go out of business. Now, if you're part of the crooks you get the tax payers to bail you out.

These banks then have the nerve to call struggling people deadbeats when they don't pay the mortgage. Fuck them.

Wheres the fairness?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:52 | 1240890 jm
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If one can't pay the mortgage, stop the denial and live within your means.

Instead of all this end of the nation durge, people and need to get their head out of their ass and accept the reality of their situation.

There are worse things in the world that moving out of a house one can't afford. There's is no despair in that at all.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:57 | 1240914 Id fight Gandhi
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The whole country can't live within its means. The solution is to borrow more, print money, keep debt servicing low. Why should the little guy do any different?

Besides these overvalued houses will just sit and rot. Better to have someone living in them.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:58 | 1240933 jm
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If there were no bailouts the price of houses would fall and people with capital would buy them and rent them to people that don't have capital.  This is how the market redistributes wealth.

Ultimately, the little guy can't do this because he is the little guy.  The big will fuck him in the end.  You can count on that.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:34 | 1241130 oogs66
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I agree 100 per cent! Though lavorgne (the db guy) and Erin Burnett were giddy over the prospect of bulldozing houses! Screw them. Let shit settle where it should and those who still have money buy it up.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:00 | 1241237 Slim
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Honestly, with so many homeless and unfortunate people in this country/world, the day someone tries to implement bulldozing livable viable homes to help prop up prices due to oversupply is the day I go balistic.  Hell, you hear about rents rising right now and households doubling up - guess what, rent the shadow inventory for whatever the market will bare.  Issues largely done.  We have plenty of housing, it just needs to be distributed according to economics.  Those who are about to lose it or can't hang onto it (people and banks) need to barf it.  Want to use government money to incentivise people to live in and keep up those homes while it works out, go ahead but at this point stop funneling it through banks and do it openly in the communities to people who warrant it (i.e. not the guy who bought at 6x gross income living for free going on 2+ years while I'm funding him and his bank via my tax dollars).

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:45 | 1241404 QQQBall
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Really, is that what you are waiting for? Until then give them hell on the blogs. hahahahha

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:37 | 1241583 Id fight Gandhi
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At this point I honestly want people who can't afford or don't want to pay their mortgages to stay in their homes. The banks that made these mortgages would be gone if not for tax payer bailouts and accounting changes. There is no moral risk. That just the fear they try to put in everyone.

The homeless will end up eventually on the government tab for benefits or jail - jail costs 30-40k per prisoner (last I heard) not including the social damage and economic damage a criminal does.

We have a two track economy going with fed money and outsourcing pumping to the rich, and the other getting royally screwed over.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:18 | 1241880 ceilidh_trail
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If people don't want to/ won't pay their mortgage, they should move on. I live within my means. I didn't buy the Mcmansion, drive a 12 year old truck, and continue to save and invest, and pay my bills. All choices that I make every day. Why should I subsidize a couple who bought more house than they could afford, drive a 2 year old and more expensive base price vehicle, buy every video game out there, continue to travel, go to movies and restaurant meals out? Answer- I SHOULDN"T! This is a true couple- they lost their house, blaming the bank and builder, and now live next door to me in the in -laws basement that they converted into a living space. Their kids run all over, hitting my vehicles with baseballs, run all thru my property, and scream and yell all day. God help this country as this will be the next generation... What ever happened to personal responsibility, respect for others private property and good citizenship???  Bottom line:  what are they teaching their kids?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:24 | 1242001 wisefool
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A keynsian would say that you are the irresponsible one. If you would have just bought a new vehicle, took a trip, etc that would have created a ton of jobs, and a ton of taxes. Then the folks you are talking about might have gotten one of those jobs, and been able to afford to stay in thier original house, and you would not have to deal with them.

<sarcasim> Basically, you brought this on yourself because you refused to participate in a virtuous cycle </sarcasm>

But you are going to pay for it anyway through escalating taxation and/or means testing. If you don't have debt, you are automatically richer than anyone who has debt. Regardless of the relative actual assests you each control. And that is the lesson every child in america is learning. Same old song every society sings when it wants a bunch of drama queens "running around" and "doing stuff" and "getting to work on time"

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 03:58 | 1242205 Law97
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Yes, but the lesson is not that people should have stopped paying their mortgages, but rather the banks should not have gotten bailed out.  We should all have to live under the fair rules of capitalism and suffer the consequences or reap the rewards according to the wisdom of our choices.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:55 | 1240568 Yen Cross
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I'll bet my P-Zeros on that one!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:33 | 1240803 RunningMan
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This article resonates. It has been a difficult period. The fiscally irresponsible have it even harder. I have hunkered down for 2011, for this year will be worse than 2008. I watched a guy pulled off the train today with a suspicious bag... things will get far far worse before they get better. We are talking a decade of pain. I hope we all get through with our humanity intact. If any is left after being swallowed by greed and self-importance.

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