Guest Post: The Final Form of Human Government

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Sat, 06/04/2011 - 16:38 | 1339826 Yen Cross
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 Humans can't govern them selves (pun intended) SINGULARITY?  I like my Maid with a fleshy mouth.

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 17:10 | 1339880 Michael Victory
Sat, 06/04/2011 - 17:36 | 1339912 JW n FL
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what the fuck does this post have to do with silver?

utopia trading silver, and equal distribution of silver to all?

same shit different day.. stop posting your shit at the top of every fucking post.


Sat, 06/04/2011 - 17:56 | 1339943 Yen Cross
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 Absolutely nothing! Thanks JW n FL.

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 10:16 | 1341085 ibjamming
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SOME "humans" can't govern themselves.  Seems the darker you are...the shittier you are at it.

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 16:39 | 1339830 jakethesnake76
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Why is this site and you Tyler such a socialist ?? It takes a village like hillary says ??Communes Suck !!

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 16:36 | 1339831 jakethesnake76
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Why is this site and you Tyler such a socialist ?? It takes a village like hillary says ??Communes Suck !!

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 16:50 | 1339849 QuantumCat
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Social "Community" through a voluntary free market as opposed to the brute force of government. You need to think first, type later.

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 17:14 | 1339886 traderjoe
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From the article: "And as the state atrophies, we can therefore expect utopia". 

Do you read articles before you comment? If you don't like a FREE site that gives thoughtful articles on a Saturday afternoon, intermixed with some news in an interesting format that has one of the most robust commenting engines around...well, the exit is that way ===>

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 23:06 | 1340500 FIAT_FixItAgainTony
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amen.  don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya...

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 23:02 | 1340498 JPG101
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ZH has an ideology called reality maybe? Socialist: no. Have you been brainwashed into thinking anything which questions the established order is a socialist plot?

Think about who is served by MSM spin: billionaires and multi millionaires? If you are from the 'low million dollar' class on down: ZH is on your side. When the super rich attack us with Pravda style media spin, reality is our best and only weapon. Don't attack your source of real news.

ZH might be reality for those who can't afford the services of a MSM translator...

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 16:47 | 1339837 BumpSkool
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Damn Straight, Tyler... Damn Straight...


... you go

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 00:23 | 1340617 Hurdy Gurdy Man
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Sat, 06/04/2011 - 16:39 | 1339840 Mr.Kowalski
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I often wonder if life was better for the Pawnee and Sioux before the pale faces came than we now have it. It was simple, you were accepted as part of a close community, there was fewer instruments with which man could impose his will upon another.. 


That said, I believe that any post modern society begins with a currency system built from the bottom up instead of from the top down making indentured servants of us all save the few who can master the complexities of the economic system.



Sat, 06/04/2011 - 17:35 | 1339911 Yen Cross
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 Who cares! Ponder South Park!

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 17:52 | 1339942 dark pools of soros
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they would be frontrunning smoke signals by now as well...

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 16:45 | 1339841 QuantumCat
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We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force. Ayn Rand

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 18:02 | 1339954 tamboo
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her real name was alisa  rosenbaum and she clearly got off on the brute force.

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 16:39 | 1341803 QuantumCat
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Attacking the messenger, not the message... We grow weary of your simpleton tactics. You can't own me, looter. Peddle your trash elsewhere.

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 23:06 | 1340508 FIAT_FixItAgainTony
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"where the government is free to do anything it pleases"

yep, enter the court system and see how the gov't works for the banks.

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 00:07 | 1340595 Oh regional Indian
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The court "system". Hmmmm, everyone should look up BAR and then ask what swearing the oath that gets you a BAR registration. That will explan the court thing to most people.

Elaborate scams, one and all. Government, religion, politics. Three things that run/rule are all pure, multi-generational frauds. 


Sat, 06/04/2011 - 17:28 | 1339900 WaterWings
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I wonder if Tyler and Banksy are good friends.

Thank you for this post. And thank you, Tyler, for your fuerza.

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 17:41 | 1339906 Yen Cross
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 Robots can't kill racoons on my Apricot trees either. My shovel and a late nite on ZH will!!!  Lighten up with the junks, Girlie boys. Or should I say girls with egos and law degrees!  You are toast on this site! BITCHES!

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 17:39 | 1339916 Azannoth
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Life is a constant struggle, and must remain so to be healthy, any type of Utopia even an Anarchist/Libertarian type is doomed to failure through stagnation

Constant struggle for domination and constant struggle for survival are necessary for a healthy society, examples of the opposite are former Soviet Union, North Korea, European Union(soon to be former) etc.

Trying to take out the element of survival from society dooms it from the get go, in today's society where even people who are in a vegetative state are kept alive so that they maybe wake up in 20 years is a perversion of the Laws of Nature and Nature does not see kindly for it's laws being perverted, you have been warned

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 22:17 | 1340447 eddiebe
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Check out the movie "Idiocracy". Funny! the premise is that intelligent people have less and less children maybe because they worry about over population, but those a bit challenged dont give a shit and keep cranking out babies. So the 'stupid genes' keep gaining til we have Idiocracy. The rule of the stupid by the stupid.. Hey wait, now that I think about it, we're pretty close to there..

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 02:06 | 1340692 Redneck Makin-tosh
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makes you wonder about the movie's definition of intelligent

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 11:54 | 1341204 I did it by Occident
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Brawndo!  It's what plants crave!

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 12:31 | 1341264 A Nanny Moose
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If survival is the measure of victory, then "the stupid" stand a better chance, by sheer numbers. But what is "stupid?" Is it merely another straw-man? Is it just a tool to perpetuate the us vs. them paradigm? Shall we go steal their mascot, and deface their school statue?

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 18:10 | 1341930 New World Chaos
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Ironically, what we need is more intelligent, alturistic people.  The kind of people who are likely to worry about overpopulation.  If the elites were truly worried about overpopulation they would print up a few clownbux for anyone who gets fixed.  I know they want to reduce our population by 80%, but they would rather do it through war and starvation so they can exploit the chaos and consolidate power.  Also, the elites are trying to breed our dangerous traits out of us.  Smart, honest, independent people cannot be trusted.  The elites steal from such people so they can't afford kids, and some of the loot goes to indolent baby-pumpers.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 10:22 | 1343160 Azannoth
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You know you just might have said something very smart, so the destruction of the productive and smart people might be by design

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 17:48 | 1339928 Medea
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Dear God.

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 18:08 | 1339963 serotonindumptruck
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I appreciate the article leading off with a quote from Mikhail Bakunin, the ideological nemesis of Karl Marx. A few years back, when I was reading as much Marx as I could lay my hands on, it struck me that Marx spent an inordinate amount of time trash-talking Bakunin.

After getting my fill of Marxist ideology, I began studying the tenets of true anarchism with such authors as Peter Kropotkin and Pierre Proudhon.

Capitalism, much like Marxist-Leninist philosophy, seems valid in theory, however when applied as a system of governance, the flaws become self-evident.

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 18:14 | 1339981 Azannoth
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The problem is the humans always try to find a 'System' I guess it's how the brain is hardwired, however true intelligence is spontaneous, abstract and impulsive and does not need a system to function

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 22:23 | 1340451 Cthonic
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Ah, but those with a will to power require a system that will scale up beyond their immediate reach.  So long as the mass of men hold aspirations in their hearts and are unable to shed their fears, there will always be some who intentionally (and successfully) yoke others to their designs, even if such control is purely psychological in nature.  The economics of scarcity and the specialized division of labor are nearly insurmountable impediments to the attainment of ones natural rights, even before the coercive designs of men come into play.  Like voting booths, markets are violent places for the expression of majoritarian preference, too.

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 23:33 | 1340546 mayhem_korner
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Capitalism is not a government system, seritonin, it's an economic system.

Let's try this in kindergartenese: government systems include: theocracies, autocracies, monarchies, constitutional republics, democracies, etc., etc., etc.

Read The 500 Year Leap and you will understand more clearly that the current U.S. government system doesn't even resemble its founding.  That is what has failed.

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 23:41 | 1340560 serotonindumptruck
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Thanks for the recommendation. Maybe I'll check it out.

What precisely is the system of government in the USA? A constitutional republic? A democracy? Please enlighten me.

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 23:51 | 1340572 mayhem_korner
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Read the book (and the Constitution while you're at it) and see what it was designed to be.

USA has never been a democracy and was never designed to be one.  It isn't a functional representative republic these days either.  It is an "amorphocracy" shifting through "socialist dictatorship" to "hell-in-a-handbasketocracy"...

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 00:00 | 1340582 serotonindumptruck
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So we can just make up words as we see fit?

I can't tell if you're trying to be clever, or just condescending.

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 00:10 | 1340598 mayhem_korner
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I am.

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 00:15 | 1340608 serotonindumptruck
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Therefore I exist.


Sun, 06/05/2011 - 00:15 | 1340606 mayhem_korner
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Non-clever, non-condescending comment:

I am most times both, but always with intent.  I pick my spots where I (believe I) add value - mostly macro-economic stuff and history.

What drives me nuts is when folks converse - even quite intelligently - about stuff without having researched the original documents and/or events.  As an example, one of my mantras (to tip my hand a bit farther) is that the Bible is the most criticized book by those who've never read it.

The suggestion on The 500 Year Leap is an earnest one. 

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 00:31 | 1340627 serotonindumptruck
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I stand corrected. Capitalism is not a system of government.

I will say that the theory of capitalism is flawed, and no, I haven't read Keynes or Mises, so that is just my opinion, based upon the world as I view it. Capitalism has corrupted the US government, to the point that it resembles a socialist dictatorship.

I'll check out The 500 Year Leap.

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 12:43 | 1341289 A Nanny Moose
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I use to think this way. Then I started reading. It was not capitalism that corrupted the government, but the nature of people in positions of power. This was part of the reason, this nation was designed to illicit competition among the states, and the people.

What you are saying amounts to, "guns kill people." They do not. It takes an event, usually at the hands of an individual to cause the weapon to discharge. No it is not a false equivalency. You conflate mis-use of a tool, or idea, to enable coercion with flaws in the idea itself. I suspect you also expect that there is a "perfect system" which will end poverty, disease, and generally correct nature's "mistakes." There isn't. Never was, never will be. Life is terminal.

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 16:21 | 1341767 serotonindumptruck
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I don't claim to be knowledgable about everything in this world, which is one of the reasons that I like ZH. I'm here to learn and to be educated, and anyone who claims otherwise is most likely an arrogant asshole anyway, and not worth my time.

Your second point is a false equivalence, with me anyway. As someone who proudly owns a few dozen firearms, I am not delusional enough to buy into that false logic about "guns kill people". Bad example, and you don't know me at all.

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 18:09 | 1339970 Yen Cross
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 And the YOUTH ( JUNK SQUAD on something ) Postulates. Loosers living off their Mommies. Never held a HOE! The kind that never sows a crop.

      I have an appointment over seas. SUNDAY open. Jets and all!

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 18:59 | 1340076 Yen Cross
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 Girls can't find JOBS! I'm so sorry NOT
Sat, 06/04/2011 - 19:12 | 1340094 Roaming Uranus ...
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Yen Crossover, you are 45 and live at home.  You weigh over 400 pounds (on a good day) and have no life.  What, you think women dont play a part in our society?  Since you are so downtrodden on the women, I can say with assurance that you have never had a lady friend.    Enough said...................


Sat, 06/04/2011 - 20:26 | 1340232 Yen Cross
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 I'm 44 and wish I lived at home. I own a G-5 , and thats about it!

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 19:22 | 1340104 mynhair
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Oblahma is human?

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 19:31 | 1340137 SWRichmond
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OT: the OCC just issued a Cease and Desist Order against MERS.

My Deed of Trust states: Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems , Inc. as beneficiary.  Later it also states: MERS is the mortgagee under this security instrument. 

Diamond in the rough?

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