Guest Post: Former Shell Oil Chief Predicts $5 Gas by 2012

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Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:14 | 834306 ZeroPower
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This will simply further decrease the difference between what lucky Americans pay versus Canada ($5.25/g) and Europe ($8/g).

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:45 | 834423 trav7777
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Gasoline will be going up in those places too, doofus

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:58 | 834454 malikai
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$5USD gasoline would be a pretty damn good thing in Canada. Especially when you consider the fact that the USDCAD would probably be about $.80 or less by then. Remember, Canada exports about 2Mbbl/d mostly to the USA.

Wed, 12/29/2010 - 01:03 | 835127 Malcolm Tucker
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Then good luck getting across the border to fill up or buy anything. Speaking of getting across borders, when is the US going to finally cave and institute Israeli style profiling? the Germans are thinking of doing it:

I wonder if they can profile mortgage fraud...

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 18:16 | 834501 ZeroPower
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Sure, but by a lesser amount thanks to 1) a stronger CAD for an oil producing nation and as for Europe, considering where prices are currently, theres little higher they can go without completely collapsing the demand for the region.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 21:04 | 834806 Mark Beck
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ZP, The stronger argument is available Canadian reserves per capita. Which is very attractive.

Also, with the unfreezing of the northwest passage for all year shipping, tanker convoys can transverse the country year round like never before. In fact, IMHO Canada should commission a new fleet of ice tankers for shipping of oil.

Mark Beck

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 18:29 | 834534 CrashisOptimistic
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Sigh and facepalm.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 18:33 | 834547 clymer
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John Hofmeister: "Who do the politicians listen to? They will listen to the people that put them in or take them from office."


Wed, 12/29/2010 - 18:10 | 836703 Geoff-UK
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Maybe Hofmeister is unfamiliar with the Goldman Sachs/JPM "rent to own" style of politician management.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 18:37 | 834551 Confused
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Yes, but my guess is, it will not be as disastrous for them as for Americans. Different cultures is all I'm saying.


Maybe bikes will become as popular in America as they are in Europe? 

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 21:37 | 834867 philgramm
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Highly doubt it..........mostly b/c we americans live in a suburban wasteland.  Most ppl commute long distances to work (so they can live in gated communities).  No good public transportation in most places either

Wed, 12/29/2010 - 09:17 | 835388 Confused
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Thats fair. But there are some cities that do have fairly decent public transportation. I know alot of people that drive around the NY area. But your point is well taken. 

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 23:58 | 835049 trav7777
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riiiight...because Canada's culture is miles apart from the US's.  They have all their own TV channels and they walk and bike everywhere.  BTW, what's the mean temperature in Calgary in the wintertime?

Wed, 12/29/2010 - 02:28 | 835194 Printfaster
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In knew two people in Minnesota that bicycled to work.  One ended up in a snowbank, the other in a body cast.  Both had black streaks down the middle of their back.

I knew another that used a motorbike 365.  He found that it took five minutes to get his hands unfrozen from the handlebars.


Wed, 12/29/2010 - 10:49 | 835383 Confused
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Wed, 12/29/2010 - 06:23 | 835292 Bokkenrijder
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You're forgetting that taxes make up for a lot of the gasoline price here in Europe.

Wed, 12/29/2010 - 06:46 | 835295 fockewulf190
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Indeed.  The European governments don´t give a crap about the tax  burden they heap onto the price of energy.  Have taxes on oil and gas ever gone down in Europe?  Not here in Germany.  The sheeple put up with it and allow the unlubed raping to continue year after year.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:49 | 834427 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Why?  Because of Tar Sands?  No way.  The EROEI of tar sands is worthless.  Have fun destroying your old growth rainforests.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:55 | 834448 Freddie
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Canada has old growth rainforests?  Global warming 

If you are thinking of Chavez or Lula's predecessor in Brazil chopping down rain forests - they don't give a shit. They are fascists like Hussein.  

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 18:09 | 834480 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Canada has old growth in their rain forests.  Global warming?

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 18:18 | 834510 Drachma
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AGW cult-induced dyslexia?

Wed, 12/29/2010 - 02:47 | 835203 UnBearorBull
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But the oil sands are nowhere near Canada's rain forests, which are all in British Columbia. They are in the northern boreal forests of Alberta, which looks more like Siberia.

Wed, 12/29/2010 - 03:48 | 835226 johan404
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Siberia is mostly planes and pastures, with little forests here and there, nothing like the boreal forests in Alberta. They are more like the ones in central Finland and Sweden. Canada is shooting itself in the face in the long run by strip mining those forests for oil sands. Stupid as fuck.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 18:15 | 834499 Flakmeister
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Typical.... another fucking moron

Yes, Canada has old-growth rain forests: Sitka Spruce, Western Hemlock etc... Any place that averages 12 ft of rain a year and has a higher biomass density than the Amazon is in every sense a rain forest. Temperate, mind you. Go back to school and take a geography course.

Sat, 01/01/2011 - 17:04 | 841758 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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"... they are fascists like Hussein..."

You've got to remember that, sure, they are "fascists" in a truer sense of the word than most other people are fascists, but there is a bigger, badder fascist out there, hidden in plain sight.

The fascist that has a long history of supporting puppet strongmen dictators extensively in the Middle East and Latin America, where those puppets would enable his agenda. Saddam Hussein was put in power and removed from power precisely on the whims of this fascist.

Venezuela's "president" since 1998 is exceptional, much like Iran, in that he maintains power despite defiance of this fascist. He is not at all exceptional for being a "fascist" himself. 

Who is this fascist, hidden in plain sight, who I am talking about?

Well, he has no one personage. He has lived longer than any man living today. You can call him "the Stars and Stripes", you can call him "Rockefeller capitalism", you can call him "business as war and war as buisness"... I call him "The New World Order".

He is mostly defined by his imposition of power and control over as many governments around the world as possible, bankrolled (and generally directed) by an international banking cartel, sustained by corporations which succeed terrificly only when they start to behave like psychopaths — private gains, negative externalities, total disregard for human life. And a populace he controls in the so-called First World, Developed Countries which has been receiving historically plush lifestyles from the scraps that trickle down to them, in total, blissful ignorance of the big picture of the globe.

Excuse me for waxing prosaic... I just tend to laugh at and then point out the absolute irony of members of the subsidized, ignorant populace who don't see the fascism that is operating at the level above people like Chavez and Hussein.

The secret of wealth and opulence in our wealthiest and most opulent societies is to take part in a fascist machine that exploits peoples and resources and calls it business as usual, natural, and inevitable.

... oh hey, cool, the new Zeitgeist installment is coming out soon...


Tue, 12/28/2010 - 18:26 | 834526 ZeroPower
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Yes tar sands, and as I mentioned above, we are an oil producing nation and coupled with a stronger $, gas won't be as inflated in price here as it will be south of the border. I agree w/r/t to the EROI of the tar sands, though in the short term, we'll still benefit greatly from the immediate exports.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 21:05 | 834807 gkm
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Yeah, $145/bbl did wonders for USD.CAD.

Wed, 12/29/2010 - 00:00 | 835051 trav7777
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forex doesn't fix supply and demand

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 18:02 | 834466 Cdad
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Who cares about energy prices, anyway?  What is the big deal?  Without jobs, gasoline will be discretionary.  And who cares about nat gas, too.  I mean nat gas prices are a reflection of manufacturing.  We don't manufacture things anymore.

All we need is Bernanke bananas.  Nothing else.  So let's quit this old fashioned notion that cheap energy creates growth and expansion in the economy because the economy doesn't matter anymore anyway.

Quit interrupting my repeat viewings of Julia Borstad's important cut today on "Glee" and how that enterprise is the new solid gold real estate in the media market.  That is important stuff.  No energy prices, buddy. 

After all, Joe T has been telling us over and over that the really hard trade is being long the S&P. 

Drink your "juice" ZP.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 18:18 | 834511 ZeroPower
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Gasoline will be discretionary just like that 52" flat screen you watch Glee on! Im enjoying the koolaid, thanks:)

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 21:58 | 834899 bigelkhorn
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This is a sign of what is coming for the economy. WTF? Shitty Economy - Shops selling human excrement In North Korea =>

Wed, 12/29/2010 - 03:55 | 835232 johan404
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That's what we should be doing. Composted shit is a valueable resource which we are throwing away. You can put shit in a biogas digester and get methane (nat gas) from it to cook your food, heat your home, produce electricity etc., then after that you can use it as fertilizer. It's fucking beyond stooooopiiiid to be pumping it in the rivers and oceans where it doesn't do any good.

Wed, 12/29/2010 - 12:08 | 835723 goldsaver
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Too bad we are designing homes re-saleability and not for sustainability

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:16 | 834314 NotApplicable
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If we’ve learned anything in the past few years, it should be that government is totally incapable of taking the necessary steps to prevent a problem before it happens.

It's known as government creating its own demand. There is absolutely nothing they do that isn't better to do after the fact, as it creates the so-called "mandate for change."

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 22:39 | 834954 GreenSideUp
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Heh, government creates all the problems.  Of course they do nothing until a problem becomes a big, festering, oozing sore.  And they always have such fabulous solutions.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:18 | 834322 Internet Tough Guy
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Gas bludgeoned upward again? Say it ain't so robo. LOL... 

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:17 | 834323 Xibalba
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The dollar menu on McD's goes up to $5 as well....




Gotta slap these Americans outta their stupor.   

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:21 | 834335 downrodeo
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i think we're going to need a bigger paddle...

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:23 | 834344 furieus
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Price is and always will be the best "signal"

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:29 | 834369 Motorhead
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What, you mean the stupor of not having gasoline taxed as much as in the UK, mainland Europe, or elsewhere?  Jealous!  Geeesh, the average citizen is taxed enough.  But boy, oh, boy, I'm sure glad that we are getting something for all the taxes we are paying.  In fact, it is so successful, we usually just get taxed more.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:20 | 834334 mauistroker
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$5 gallon? $2/gallon? $8/gallon? No one knows. And it won't matter. Out of work, underwater, indebted J6P won't be able to able to afford it. Here comes the suburban ghetto.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:25 | 834355 Internet Tough Guy
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Forget price, let's talk availability. Economy collapses with any kind of widespread shortage/rationing.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:39 | 834399 Missiondweller
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In much of California, the urban ghetto is already here.

Wed, 12/29/2010 - 01:16 | 835135 mtomato2
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Well-written article.  Thanx.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:21 | 834338 RobotTrader
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Natural gas is now at world record lows vs. crude oil.

Either crude oil is going to crash, or natural gas is going to catch up.

If you believe in reversion to the mean, then here are a couple of setups you can play on the long side.


Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:23 | 834345 Johrny Bravo
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Natural gas going to catch up, time to go long on nat gas...

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 17:59 | 834461 Freddie
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Most people do not realize that the USA is now the largest producer and holder of nat gas thanks to horizontal drilling.  This is happened in just the past 3 years.  F*** the saudis.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 18:05 | 834472 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Natural gas cars?  The problem to service the American car/truck highway infrastructure is 20 years behind mitigation.  World natural gas production will peak in 2040 at the latest.

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 18:59 | 834596 Sudden Debt
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In Europe LPG cars used to be the future 5 years ago.

It's been over a year since I've seen one and all the installers went or are going bankrupt fast the banks can say "BONUSTIME".

And the electrical car?


A 100 miles radius if you drive like a retard? Won't happen.

We lack about a decade of research to replace fuel cars.

And 100 dollars a barrel of oil will be like a crossfire Kennedy headshot for the economy.



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