Guest Post: Gold Swap Signals the Roadmap Ahead

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Submitted by Gordon T. Long of Tipping Points

Sultans of Swap: Gold Swap Signals the Roadmap Ahead

The news rocked the global gold market when an almost obscure line item in the back of a 216 page document released by an equally obscure organization was recently unearthed. Thrust into the unwanted glare of the spotlight, the little publicized Bank of International Settlements (BIS) is discovered to have accepted 349 metric tons of gold in a $14B swap. Why? With whom? For what duration? How long has this been going on? This raises many questions and as usual with all $617T of murky unregulated swaps, we are given zero answers. It is none of our business!

Considering the US taxpayer is bearing the burden of $13T in lending, spending and guarantees for the financial crisis, and an additional $600B of swaps from the US Federal Reserve to stem the European Sovereign Debt crisis, some feel that more transparency is merited. It is particularly disconcerting, since the crisis was a direct result of unsound banking practices and possibly even felonious behavior. The arrogance and lack of public accountability of the entire banking industry blatantly demonstrates why gold manipulation, which came to the fore in recent CFTC hearings, has been able to operate so effectively for so long. It operates above the law or more specifically above sovereign law in the un-policed off-shore, off-balance sheet zone of international waters.

Since President Richard Nixon took the US off the Gold standard in 1971, transparency regarding anything to do with gold sales, leasing, storage or swaps is as tightly guarded by governments as the unaudited gold holdings of Fort Knox. Before we delve into answering what this swap may be all about and what it possibly means to gold investors, we need to start with the most obvious question and one that few seem to ask. Who is this Bank of International Settlements and who controls it?


The history of the BIS reads with all the intrigue of a spy novel and comes with a very checkered past. According to the BIS web site, as a privately held bank, it decided in recent years to become wholly owned and controlled by the Central Banks of the world - a highly unusual decision for a private enterprise. Lengthy court cases in Le Hague were involved by private members who objected. Something like this is usually called a buy out or takeover, but there are no public records of any of the central banks making such an acquisition - an extremely strange set of events with little media coverage.

I am sure it can all be explained very logically until we get to the size of the balance sheet. We are talking close to a half trillion dollar balance sheet, or more specifically 259 billion SDR’s, which is approximately $400B. Where did the capital or deposits come from? The BIS goes out of its way to specifically assert it only accepts deposits from member central banks, though it does also state confusingly in the financial notes that there are deposits from previous financial statements from recognized international banks. Therefore, are we to conclude that the US Federal Reserve has huge deposits at the BIS? Though I couldn’t find the assets on the Fed’s balance sheet, I’m sure they are there in the small print or on the New York Feds balance sheet somewhere. It would be a legal requirement. It is a forensic accounting nightmare to find these items based on public documents of the various private organizations. Apparently it is just none of our business. For such a major element of the world’s operating financial structure to have such poor visibility, it seems preposterous until you actually do the research. It should be laid out so a freshman Economics class could easily follow the ownership acquisition and money flows. It isn’t and it appears to this researcher that it is intentionally opaque.

Since the BIS goes out of its way to ensure readers in its annual financial report that no private funds are accepted, maybe all we really need to know is what the BIS officially tells us. The BIS is owned and controlled by their member Central Banks. Therefore if the BIS was to do a gold swap of the magnitude of 349 metric tonnes, then board member Ben Bernanke would have known of it in advance and approved it. He would know exactly who the transaction was with and why. If he didn’t then he is legally negligent in his fiduciary responsibility as a BIS board member, because of the size of the transaction and its material effect. Other board members include: Mervyn King, Governor of the Bank of England, Jean-Claude Trichet, President of the European Central Bank, Axel Weber, President of the Deutsche Bundesbank and William C Dudley, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. You can’t have it both ways.

Though we can suspect many things, there is no other conclusion we can reach than the swap is part of an agreed upon plan or concurrence between these board members. So what is the possible understanding or plan?


There are not a lot of institutions who possess 349 metric tonnes of gold. So who needs $14B worth of cash and has this amount of gold? That shouldn’t be too hard to find.

Sovereign governments have historically created their wealth by invading other countries to pillage their treasuries which held gold, silver and the crown jewels. The winning and seizure of more land allowed the sovereign to give it to the nobles who used it to tax and tithe the feudal tenets. Recurring wealth flowed upward to the sovereign treasury.

Considering today’s EU membership, where sovereign countries can no longer print their own currency (the politicians first weapon of choice), there are three channels (other than the very politically unpopular increase in taxes and fees) open in modern times to raising money for the treasury:

  1. The public sale of debt offerings instruments such as Bills, Notes and Bonds
  2. The more recent and stealthy approach of selling assets, including revenue streams from such things as taxes, fees, licensing etc. These are sold into the securitization market through complex derivative structures such as Interest Rate and Currency Swaps contracts. This approach, as recently discovered, has been rampant throughout Europe even prior to the creation of the EU.
  3. When you exhaust all of the above, you then sell the family jewels – the sovereign treasury of gold holdings.

The BIS was very quick to respond to public speculation about the massive gold swap when they immediately clarified that the gold swap was with a commercial bank.  Since by its own statements, as I mentioned above, it doesn’t accept deposits from non member banks, this seems confusing on the surface. Does it or doesn’t it accept private deposits?  It would be respectful to assume that the BIS is telling the truth and that they did in fact conduct the transaction with a private bank who was transacting the swap on behalf of a central bank or sovereign treasury. This would sort of make everything work. For the BIS to be telling the truth in all their statements, the transaction must be with a member central bank with the involvement of an intermediary commercial bank. But something still isn’t right here.

When you work through the details you quickly arrive at an astounding coincidence. Portugal shows it has 348 tonnes of sovereign gold. The swap was for 346. Portugal is a member bank, though does not sit on the Board, but attends the General Meeting as an observer only.  Portugal, as a member of the PIIGS, only days after the unearthing of the swap, was again downgraded by Moody’s, thereby making its lending costs even higher than the already elevated levels being demanded by the financial markets. There is a very strong possibility that the swap is with Portugal. Though who the swap is with is important to those trading debt and credit derivatives it isn’t quite as important to those interested in the gold market.

Ben Davies the CEO of Hinde Capital in London and a player in the gold market suspects (12:40) we may have a modified form of swap emerging. There is the possibility that the commercial bank is in fact a major gold bullion bank. Some of the bullion banks have major short positions on gold that far outstrip the annual physical production of gold. The disconnect between physical and paper gold along with rising gold prices is likely causing serious strains on their balance sheet. As Davies points out the gold may be transacted from a central bank to the BIS through a bullion bank while the gold physically remains with the originating central bank; is classified as ‘unallocated’ at the BIS but in fact remains on the books of the bullion bank. It effectively is double accounted for. The increase in gold would allow gold prices to be pushed lower, which in fact is what has been happening. A careful reading of the BIS financial statements shows more clearly the accounting for such a transaction.

There can be little doubt that the Gold Swap is with a central bank where the physical gold remains. The transaction is considered a deposit at the BIS (liability) but has been lent to a commercial bank (likely a bullion bank) as a loan (asset). The question is only why a bullion bank needs to borrow this quantity of gold, remembering it never gets the physical gold because it remains at the originating central bank. The reader is encouraged to read the Financial Policy notes #4,5, 6, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 and 19 within the BIS Financial Statement for a clearer understanding along with Notes to the Financial Statements #4 and #11.

The BIS is known as the central bank to the central bankers.
The BIS may equally be referred to as the Central Gold Bullion Bank to the Gold Bullion Banks.

The March 31 2010 Financial Statement of the BIS shows 43.0B SDR’s of gold or 16.6% of total assets. According to note #4 to the BIS Financial Statements: “ Included in ’Gold bars held at central banks” is SDR 8,160.1 million (346 tonnes) (2009: nil) of gold, which the Bank held in connection with gold swap operations, under which the Bank exchanges currencies for physical gold. The Bank has an obligation to return the gold at the end of the contract.”  It is very important to appreciate this note is pertaining specifically to BIS ‘assets’ which in the case of banks are what the reader would consider ‘loans’. Under Financial Policy notes #5 to the Financial Statement the BIS is clear that under banking portfolios “all gold financial assets in these portfolios are designated as loans and receivables”. Separately, but very interestingly the BIS additionally states “ the remainder of the Banks equity is held in gold. The Bank’s own gold holdings are designated as available for sale”. 


If problems get worse for Portugal, as possibly the global economic climate worsens, then the gold may never legally belong to Portugal. The contracted swap terms at some point may simply reclassify it a net zero sale, if Portugal fails to return the cash portion of the swap. The BIS would have 346 tonnes of gold and Portugal the $14B of Euros it has long since spent to solve a 2010 problem. By then Portugal likely would need even more loans in whatever currency would replace a crumpling or possibly extinct Euro.

Up until 2004 the BIS denominated its financial statements in Gold Francs. It now has made a major shift to denominating itself into Special Drawing Rights (SDRs). The calculation is exactly the same as used for the IMF. The SDR is operating as a defacto currency.

It takes a little arithmetic (which is not done in the financial statements) to be able to get values in any currency that can give the reader a perspective of the scope of the activities at the BIS. The SDR reporting obscures the BIS’s significant size and scope.


For those who followed the European Sovereign Debt Crisis and the negotiations with Greece, you know that the IMF was an unwelcomed intruder into EU financial affairs. Greece on more than one occasion held the IMF as a negotiating ploy and as a funding alternative to the EU’s procrastination and lack of decisiveness.

The IMF’s willingness to interfere created a lot of bad feelings within the EMU and Germany specifically. As Ambrose Evans-Prichard reported:  “The ECB is barely on speaking terms with the IMF – the "Inflation Maximizing Fund" as it was dubbed in a Bundesbank memo - - The IMF has not caught up to the reality in Europe said ECB über-hawk Jürgen Stark on July 9th” The final EU bailout in fact heavily involved the IMF participation. The very busy IMF is the dominant crisis lender of last resort throughout all Central & Eastern European current financial problems.

What we are seeing is the emergence of another funding structure based on the SDR - SDR’s that have a degree of gold backing. The BIS now has a total of 12.4% of its deposits (32B SDR) in the form gold deposits. Note #11 to the BIS financial statements states: “Gold deposits placed with the Bank originate entirely from Central Banks. They are all designated as financial liabilities measured as amortized cost”.


Are we moving towards the BIS and IMF being fractional reserve banks that will create money & credit - a reserve currency that will satisfy Russia and China with an element of Gold backing? A bank such as the BIS could easily assume this role (if it hasn’t already) as could the IMF with possible banking charter adjustments.

The chances are high that this is the roadmap we will find ourselves taking. Like all banking that started as Gold backed you could expect that in this case the little gold backing that starts the process is quickly diminished so a limitless money machine could begin functioning. The gold backing would likely be an initial requirement by Russia and China. The partial gold backing would lend credibility to the acceptance and a possible reserve currency alternative and eventual establishment as the global reserve currency.


The collapse of the Shadow Banking system and its attendant  SIV / CDO structures were at the root of the financial crisis.  That structure which is representative of a huge amount of the credit growth since the dotcom bubble burst isn’t coming back soon, if ever. The world needs more liquidity than the central banks or sovereign treasuries can currently deliver politically. The central bankers, huddled in their bimonthly board meeting at the BIS in Basel, Switzerland, know this better than anyone. Their discussions in the very halls of the BIS must resonate with them to use all the tools available at their disposal - quickly.

Paul McCulley and Richard Clarida at Pacific Investment Management Co. (PIMCO) have written extensively about the Shadow Banking System and its growth. An extensive slide presentation on the Shadow Banking System can be found on my web site at TIPPING POINTS. I won’t go into the detail here, but suffice it to say that the shadow banking system collapse has created a massive hole in credit creation that central bankers can’t fill in the manner in which they presently appear to be approaching the problem.  Of course appearances can be deceiving

The problem has now reached crisis proportions and the central bankers know they must urgently act in a coordinated manner. Deflation now has a firm hand on the global economy and this must be reversed. I have been calling for a US Quantitative Easing QE II of $5T in my writings for some time. This amount is required for the US alone. The entire global requirement is three to four times this amount.

The above chart serves as an illustration to simplify the essence of the Shadow Banking System . The international bankers prefer to refer to the process as Capital Arbitrage. An arms-length agreement allowed the banks to invest in a Structured Investment Vehicle (SIV) as an affiliate investment. The large spread that an SIV captured made it an excellent investment, but more importantly it allowed the banks to use their fractional reserve (10X) money creation abilities to buy risky securitization products without them appearing on their balance sheet. The banks received huge multiplier leveraged returns from the high yielding Collateralized Debt Obligations (CDOs) until the crisis imploded the game.


When the financial crisis unfolded you may recall that then US Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson’s (former Chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs during the explosion of Shadow Banking structures) first solution was to create a $100B Super SIV. The SIV leverage thinking was so entrenched that this was the first ‘go to’ solution to fight de-leveraging. If we were to jump forward to today when we are further along in increasing and unprecedented de-leveraging, what the central bankers need to replace the shadow banking system is a vehicle that will deliver the previous scale of leverage PLUS an order of magnitude more. The answer is the Bank of International Settlements. The SIV model is used as illustrated ‘Shadow Central Banking System’ above.

With the use of the SDR ‘currency’, central bankers can compound fractional reserve lending.


It is my view this process is already well along. The following Bloomberg global money supply growth chart graphically shows this.  As the circles indicate, once again money is flowing into the pipeline or at least into global bank reserves.


The advantage of this approach is:

  1. Leverage: Compounding money creation between banks
  2. Partial gold backing: Present BIS levels of  12.4%
  3. SDR: Offers a basket of currencies approach versus a single currency dependency.
  4. Former Communist bloc regime backing: China and Russia would likely support this approach for a number of reasons, which they have already expressed as short comings to the current global reserve situation.
  5. Reserve Currency: The SDR approach offers a migration path from today’s US$ reserve currency to an alternative bank reserve currency to a future global reserve currency.


This may be the final lever required to initiate a Minsky Melt-Up (see: EXTEND & PRETEND - Manufacturing a Minsky Melt-Up) and the $5T in QE II (see: EXTEND & PRETEND: A Guide to the Road Ahead) I have been writing about for some time now.

There are many questions that are raised in the above discussion - many about the future role and safety of gold. Time and space don’t allow for this here. I hope to work through the answers in forthcoming articles.

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The following gave me concern when I first read it many years ago and something for you to think about:

"...the powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations."

Professor Carroll Quigley
Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time (1966)
President Bill Clinton’s Georgetown Professor

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God's picture

Drogo is obsessed and blinded by the possibility of an unlikely event; that rare occurrence is his raison d'etre. At thirteen she encountered the book, little did Yevgenia know that she would spend an entire life playing Giovanni Drogo in the antechamber of hope, waiting for the big event, sacrificing for it, and refusing intermediate steps, the consolation prizes.

French Frog's picture

There was a very good article by FOFOA a while back describing the fact/possibility that the BIS is the entity organising the sale/purchase of VERY LARGE AMOUNT of PHYSICAL GOLD by central banks, completely independently of Commex/LBMA pricing & suggesting a difference in price between these 2 markets by a factor of 20.

maddy10's picture


Nut cases on the loose!

I haven't heard of any gods controlling nearly 500 tons of gold in homes of India!

stop this nonsense and move on

This entire thread should be flagged

crzyhun's picture

Nothing to worry about, please move along! Move along, I said.

Rollerball's picture


We're "seeing" it only because the "First Seed" (TPTWAB) want us to see it:  so to know who's "seeing" it and, to reinforce (that) there's absolutely nothing we will do about it.

Trade accordingly.

Bartanist's picture

Been thinking about this a lot: The collection and disappearance of gold, the BIS, the meek shall inherit the earth, zionism and (here's where I lose ya) Enlil/YWHW and the Annunanki/Nefilim who came to earth hundreds of thousands of years ago to mine gold (for whatever reason), created man through genetic engineering, combining Homo Erectus and their own genes and became man's slavemaster and "god(s)". For full verification all you have to do is read and ascribe to Zecharia Sitchen's translations to the Sumerian records of events leading through the flood and up to the cliff notes version of the history in the bible.

If the BIS is collecting gold and is primarily run by those who have been left as caretakers of mankind (now who do we know that feel they have that responsibility), it makes sense, given the assumptions, that they are getting the gold ready for a shipment ... odd though from the Sitchin timeline, the planet Nibiru is not due for its reappearance for another millenia. Suppose he could be wrong or possibly it no longer matters what distance the planet (you know the one that Nasa found in 1983 that is 4X the size of earth) is from earth.

But consider the gods from the old records still here on earth and being the Invisible Hand of Providence that has been leaking technology into our society, not for the last several hundred years, but from the time right after the flood... but that would mean that Enki/Ptah were still here ... the provider of technology and brother to Enlil/YWHW the warrior and leading god of earth.

Not really sure if there is anything that makes any MORE sense.

tanerlorn's picture

Agree, and it should be pointed out that the 2012 Olympics are in London, which is being billed as the new Zion, and we have a timeline.

Trial of the Pyx's picture

I know this all sounds like crazy talk. I can hardly believe I am replying in this subthread myself...but I have seen first hand what happens to people the first time they encounter gold in the wild...the look in their eyes as they swirl the pan over and over again.


Homo Sapiens is one enormous and fiendishly clever piece of concentration equipment...creator or no.

Steaming_Wookie_Doo's picture

I've read Sitchin as well. However, I cannot ascribe to "god appeasement payments" what can more easily be credited to thieving criminal bastards right here on planet Earth.

As for an 'invisible hand of providence', have you had a look outside today? It's more like the invisible boot stamping on the face of mankind. 

Bartanist's picture

It would not necessarily be god appeasement payments, just mining operations as usual with the collection through agents.

Have someone else do the work. Control the system through debt and influence on government. Trade fiat (nothing) for gold on some type of schedule that fits with deliveries. It could go on for a very long time, essentially unnoticed.

There are all sorts of conclusions that could be made into the conspiratorial. One thing the gods of old supposedly did for us was "decrease the burden of man on the earth", through the creation of wars. It was seen as something of a kindness and not necessarily an evil. An analogy would be increasing the hunting limit on deer so that the remaining animals would not be starved to death during the winter.

I think "why gold is needed" has been a major topic of speculation and one that we may not have the technology yet to answer.... although there is a theoretical high temperature gold superconductor... see when one discusses it as if it is normal, it almost sounds sane.

... and yeah typo on the "YHWH".

Bartanist's picture

Anyway, just for grins, notice the pyramid motif on their buildings.

Oh regional Indian's picture

Doo, the boot stamping on the face of mankind is not even invisible anymore.

Out in the open for all except the most "blind". This is the challenge phase.

We'll do this to you, will you squeal?

Sitchin's work is impeccable but the fact is that India has even older creation mythology. SO, who really knows.

I guess only the future ever really clarifies the past.


Walt Whitman's picture

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

     -Edmund Burke (1770)

New_Meat's picture


Hey, God, waddya think?

- Ned

Snidley Whipsnae's picture

"the planet Nibiru is not due for its reappearance for another millenia."

How do the folks on Nibiru stay warm when their planet's elongated orbit takes them so far from the sun that it looks like another tiny star? Extended low temp of near absolute zero. Just askin'

trav7777's picture

blankets made out of Krugerrands?

robobbob's picture

gold fueled furnaces

that's why they need so much

Bartanist's picture

No Clue ... never been there. We who live on the surface of earth would have to guess because we have no first hand knowledge. Is it impossible? ... Again, I do not know. But, what I do know is that scientists originally vastly underestimated the age of the earth based on the temperature of the core because they did not take into consideration the heat generating effects of radioactive decay.

So, can you tell me why the earth has both gravity and a magnetic field? How does it work and why?

Bringin It's picture

So, can you tell me why the earth has both gravity and a magnetic field? How does it work and why?

That's a pretty good answer.

snowball777's picture

Portugal. 389 >= 374. And they're hole is about $14B deep.

ShaneAshton's picture

Lengthy and informative...i just wanna know how and when these criminals will hang for their treason and i can retire by selling my krugerrands at $54k a piece

anony's picture


Can a sitting or squatting POTUS really, all by his lonesome, take the disUnited States off the gold standard?



Geoff-UK's picture

Are you asking a legal question, or a reality question?

Cuz the answers are 'no' and 'yes', respectively.

Progressives have fought clear laws and clear execution of same since the first Progressive was spawned from Satan's bowels.

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

"Who is this Bank of International Settlements and who controls it?"

I always say that the BIS is the central banks central banker. The BIS is the maestro, the conductor, the center of the universe and where all power flows from and to. The players behind the BIS are the secret hands, the powers that be, the gods of our world. They will never grace the cover of Time or be mentioned in Forbes, at least not by their real names. If you know who they are, you're instantly dangerous to them.

Cue the black helicopters.

GoinFawr's picture

"Therefore if the BIS was to do a gold swap of the magnitude of 349 metric tonnes, then board member Ben Bernanke would have known of it in advance and approved it. He would know exactly who the transaction was with and why..."

Uh, Privately owned, non-military helicopters can be black too, right? 


Cognitive Dissonance's picture

If you mean those black helicopters owned by CSC, SAIC, Xe (Blackwater), DynCorp, Booz Allen Hamilton, CACI and so on, then YES I include them. Especially them because most of the really dirty illegal (for the government) work is now done by "private contractor", particularly those on the Fortune 500 list.

HumbleServant's picture

I would think that by now the Zero Hedge community would be a group of the most faithful Christians in the world.

We can all see the book of Revelations playing right out in front of our eyes while the vast majority of Americans are most concerned about when Lindsey Lohan is getting out of jail.

Even as recently as the 1990's, could you have realistically envisioned some kind of a mark that was required to be able to make any economic transaction?  When all of this collapses, I could easily see a one-world electronic currency controlled by the BIS.

Could you have ever realistically thought of a way that there could be a one-world leader that ruled from somewhere in Europe?  With everybody having instant worlwide visual communications on their personal telephone now, it is very possible.

The great news is that God is not going to let his children who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ live through the coming hell.

When is it going to be?  Nobody knows but I would rather be 10 years early than one day late.

There are no atheists in fox holes.

HumbleServant's picture

I once heard a preacher talking about a debate he had with an atheist.  They went back and forth and it finally came down to the fact that neither one of them could absolutely prove or disprove the existance of God.

The preacher said in his final statement that he could provide a list of hundreds of people he personally knew that would testify that their lives had been radically changed by Jesus Christ.  People who had literally been in the gutter, suicidal, drug addicts, alcoholics, abusers, murderers and on and on that now had lives that would be considered rich and fulfilling by all standards.  Lives with happy marriages, productive jobs, fulfilling relationships and generally full of love.  In other words, multi-decade, quantifiable results that showed the evidence of a radically changed life that all parties would agree indicated a happy, well adjusted person. 

He asked the athiest how many people he could list whose lives had been radically transformed through atheism.  The atheist said none.

jesusfreakinco's picture

I am one!  Betcha couldn't have guessed that, eh?

Sabremesh's picture

As far as religious brainwashing goes, this is quite clever, but how is it relevant to the topic?Can't you find somewhere else to do your happy-clappy stuff?

gmrpeabody's picture

Uh....., you mean the topic of alien peoples that came to Earth thousands of years ago and genetically engineered man so we could mine gold for them? That topic?

jesusfreakinco's picture


I watched the video.  I found it to be quite entertaining actually, even though I am a born-again Christian.  You can cite the 'apparent' contradictions, but you can't refute my estimony.  I was once lost and now I am found.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

It says whoever shall believe in HIM, not whoever shall believe in the Bible.  The Bible is an instrument of His truth, not THE instrument.   Jesus is THE instrument.

Name another who has risen from the dead after being in the tomb for three days?

Bringin It's picture

Well, there is Lazarus ...

And then ther's this.

"You see, in Egyptian mythology it was the role of the son of God and saviour, Horus, to raise his father, Osiris, from the dead and in a sense resurrect himself, as Horus was Osiris resurrected."

and this -

Moses was way off course.  The "promised land" is Kashmir.  You have to dig a little deeper. ... or not.  Up to you.

Oh regional Indian's picture

Interesting links.

Thanks. Share more if possible? I like to see what other off-the-wallers read.


Bringin It's picture

ORI - I have a great book titled - "Jesus Died in India".  On the back cover it has the strange words - Not for sale in North America.

The story goes that Jesus escaped Herod's henchmen by fleeing to Egypt, specifically Alexandria, where his subsequent upbringing exposed him to Egyptian beliefs and Buddhist teachings.  Alexandria was a/the main trans-shipping point between India and the Mediteranean via the Red Sea.

So many of the psalms are similar to the sutras that predated Jesus by 500 years.  Compassion modified the depiction of the firey God of the old testament.  When He returned and started teaching he lived with, hung around with the Essenes who Essenes led a strictly celebate and communal life as in a monestary. ...  And it goes on from there, leading to the conclusion that the saints shrine in Srinagar contains the body of a holy man with his hands and feet pierced.

Have you ever run across any of this?

A lot of the West behaves as if hermeticly sealed off from those unrestrained thinkers out East.  Yet one of the last Pharos -Ptolemy, father of Cleoptra was formerly a general in Alexander's army that invaded and conquered the Indus River valley, home of the Vedas.


ps. I went to your site and read a story about not taking baths which kind of put me off.  It's not so bad it I don't ever take a bath maybe, but if all the people around me don't, then that's a different kettle of fish entirely ;-)

Blankman's picture

Who wrote the bible?  Man, not god nor jesus.  Belief in oneself is stronger than any belief in organized religion.


"I am like God and God like Me.  I am as large as God. He is as small as I. He cannot above me nor I beneath him."

- Angelus Silesius



Bringin It's picture

Well said.

Yet 9 junks so far.


zapdude's picture

I'm with you, brother, but we're a quiet minority.

The reality is "wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.  But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matt. 7:13-14)

Guys, you can't take your money with you (what little we may have left after all the crooks & thieves!), so think about where you will spend eternity, because we all will die someday. 

And besides, this skullduggery has been going on for thousands of years in various forms and levels of complexity, all because of mankind's greedy and selfish nature.  The connected dots go back a long, long way.  Certain doom seemingly lies ahead -- but I know how it ends.  The 'good guys' win.

I will be a solid fan of ZH for a long time.  I am a Christian forever.

zapdude's picture

Great article, 20, thanks.  "Radical" sounds like a book I should read.

The "American Deam" indeed -- it lasts only as long as you're comfortable & asleep.

And I don't expect Fawr or Furker to accept or understand...

UncleFurker's picture


Not quiet enough, unfortunately.



HumbleServant's picture

You know, I read somewhere that on a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

nmewn's picture

I have always marveled at those who scream at those with religious views, especially Christian views.

Yet when fearing the end of their life on this Earth, whether being chased by a bear, a murderous meth head or even in a passionate embrace to bring forth life they always scream one name consistently ;-)