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Guest Post: Greek Debt Rollover - Who Is Getting Rolled Over?

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Tue, 06/28/2011 - 21:57 | 1410525 Cognitive Dissonance
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Greek Debt Rollover - Who Is Getting Rolled Over?

I have this crazy urge to recite that joke about fat Greeks, rolling around in flour and finding wet spots.....but I can't remember the damn punch line.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 21:56 | 1410529 Amish Hacker
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I'm sure someone will remember. This is Zerohedge, after all.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:08 | 1410542 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Bollo: "I've got a bad feeling about this."


Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:59 | 1410712 Ahmeexnal
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As former Wall Street economist Michael Hudson notes, the so-called bailout will not help the Greek people, it will enrich the banks at the expense of the people.

“The Greek economy will not end up with the proceeds of any ECB ’bailout.’ The banks will get the money. They would like to turn around and lend it out afresh to the buyers of the land, monopolies and other properties that Greece is being told to privatize,” he writes. “Is this not like military tribute? … The bankers are trying to get a windfall by using the debt hammer to achieve what warfare did in times past.”


Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:29 | 1410578 hardcleareye
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I heard it this way "How do you have sex with a fat Greek, roll them around in flour and look for the wet spots."

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 01:52 | 1410778 monkeyshine
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Jesus I truly cannot believe how many times I hear this joke told so poorly. 

The punchline is "Roll her in flour and go for the dough".

Get it? 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 05:07 | 1410930 falak pema
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roll her good into dough, then go for her flower?

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 00:42 | 1410774 monkeyshine
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Nah, it is the one about how if you owe a bank $1,000,000 you are in big trouble, but if you owe the bank $100,000,000,000 the bank is in big trouble.  Greece is in the power position, though, I'm sure playing their power cards will hurt a lot it is gonna hurt either way they go.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 21:59 | 1410535 Caviar Emptor
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It's not 'Kicking the Can" anymore.

It's full on corporate welfare for banks, channeled through sovereign coffers. All the rest is meaningless theater.  

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:09 | 1410635 knukles
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And all of it! 
The whole bloody ball of wax literally centers around that magical mystery machine of financial forbearance and sacred insanity, the SPV/CDO/CLO/ whateverthefucksomebodywntstocallitrealniceandprettythistime.

Guarantee the principle by buying high quality bonds. 
(Plehhhhhsssss phhft snigger choke)
Like the high quality Greek debt that the ECB bought from the Greeks, or that the French wanted to be the first to sell over the weekend.

And Get This!
That those "evil fucks" (loosely, literally translated from the EU's description of the ratings agencies as "evil fucks") that the EU wants to outlaw and replace with their own ratings agency (independent, fair minded, impartial, etc.) are going to have to rate this piece of shit.

Which they will. 
Nicely, too. 
So that everybody who puts shit in gets better rated shit out, meaning (and I have seen this done first hand a bazillion times) an overall higher rating on the out than on the in so capital requirements against the new shit which is same as the old shit is... ta dah... less!

Victory laps all around..... for everybody!
Except the Greek people.  Ah, and throw in the rest of the European population just for good measure.

But the sad facts remain,
1.)  Greece is still gonna belly
2.)  The rest of Europe is now into this a la tar baby time... too deep to ever get out. 
3.)  The whole rape and pillage by the banksters with the approval of their political puppets rolls along, just fucking fine.

Great.  Just fucking great.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:45 | 1410709 island
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You've really gotta wonder what the hell is going to bring this shit to an end.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 05:09 | 1410931 falak pema
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turning the fan off...

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:48 | 1410708 island
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Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:07 | 1410540 High Plains Drifter
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Cracks Beneath: China, Greece, US and Derivatives


Again with those wascally derivatives......

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:04 | 1410543 BORT
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What did you suspect?  It's the banks after all; doing God's work

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:10 | 1410546 Caviar Emptor
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There's a movement to convert the US to a constitutional monarchy. Would send markets higher. 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:39 | 1410601 oogs66
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With the bush's kennedy's and clinton's aren't we already one? And with the attempt to let only legacies and insanely rich and politically connected into the ivy leagues and then into the halls of power and government we are certainly headed there

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 03:46 | 1410898 PY-129-20
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I hope there won't be a BUSH III. Two of them were already enough for the rest of the world. And I am not speaking against Reps here.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:10 | 1410549 Re-Discovery
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In a couple of hours, Greece will no longer be the word.

But now . . .  the pain in Spain will send Euro down the drain!


Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:19 | 1410561 Caviar Emptor
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Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:14 | 1410551 vegas
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Private gains, socialist losses. Nothing new here really.

What's really at stake here is getting by the corrupt ratings agencies. A "wink-wink" here, a "nod-nod" there, wrapped up in financial technical jargon your average money-honey at CNBC couldn't decipher if her life depended on it, and you have the financial equivalent of Neville Chamberlain's "peace in our time". WTF.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:20 | 1410560 nmewn
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"While lawmakers have taken a 25 percent pay cut, they still have drivers, leased cars, bodyguards and immunity from prosecution."


Its good to be king.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:17 | 1410564 Cognitive Dissonance
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The ultimate moral hazard.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:22 | 1410574 nmewn
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Mmm, depends on "the laws" staying current, they never seem to think that far a "head" ;-) 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 01:04 | 1410797 carbonmutant
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 This is one of the reasons the Founders of this country wrote the 2nd Amendment...


Wed, 06/29/2011 - 04:21 | 1410911 Reptil
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Did that help sofar? This doesn't look encouraging: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEF7bvO0Yvc

We got a Constitution too. They've "replaced" it without bothering to tell us. (Treaty of Lisbon) Laws don't help, if the people are not willing to stand up and have a revolution.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:23 | 1410569 XenoFrog
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Maybe this is one of those things that Democrats are talking about when they suggest we be more like Europe.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:04 | 1410627 topcallingtroll
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Ok I will have to admit that is one difference between the parties. Republicans fear european socialism coming to our shores. But you probably got junked by someone who doesnt believe there is a difference between the two major parties.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:24 | 1410570 Rynak
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Fuck immunity....... just hang them right there.

This is how stuff will at least metaphorically ultimately be sorted out.... this is the "default" that they're steering towards: Raw collective force, that doesn't give a shit about "immunity" and "laws". It may be years off, but it is unavoidable if the current course continues.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:30 | 1410582 nmewn
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I believe you're correct Rynak, long term.

But of course they brought it on themselves...as long as the gravy train was rollin they were all good with it, workers/pols...human nature.

The Bloomie article reads like the way major metro American cities are run today (drilling down to a local level)...as long as the gravy train is runnin its all good...sad people can't see it before it gets this far.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:07 | 1410642 knukles
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Good to be a thug.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 04:40 | 1410919 GeneMarchbanks
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"While lawmakers have taken a 25 percent pay cut, they still have drivers, leased cars, bodyguards and immunity from prosecution."

Did it mention anything about immunity from execution?

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 06:24 | 1410981 Henry Hub
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"...immunity from prosecution."

Mussolini had immunity from prosecution, he still ended up hanging from a lamp post.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:22 | 1410568 Caviar Emptor
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2011-12 will be another Bailfest like 2008. On a grand scale

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:29 | 1410579 High Plains Drifter
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Greeks should learn Slick's 3 rules of wrestling dynamics.




Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:30 | 1410580 Smiley
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Rolled over?  More like bent over!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:42 | 1410596 agrotera
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the Greeks are the Greeks, and THAT is the Greek heritage,  period... --didn't you all learn about Marathon and Thermopylae? 


Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:10 | 1410639 topcallingtroll
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Yeah back then greeks were real men.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:23 | 1410647 High Plains Drifter
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Ah yes, the good old days when greek men buggered boys.....

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:43 | 1410602 lynnybee
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please .... honest question .... who makes up the "troika" ?   I know that the word troika is a russian word for 'three of a kind' , but don't understand who they are referring to ..... the government ?  the bankers ?  ........ thank you !  

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:43 | 1410604 oogs66
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IMF. ECB. EU governments. It has all become so confusing that I think people use troika so they don't have to say which articular entity is doing what. Especially since they have secret meetings amongst themselves. Though maybe there is a better answer

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:17 | 1410653 Ahmeexnal
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How about calling them the Molochian Trinity from now on so as to avoid further confusion?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:44 | 1410606 nmewn
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IMF, EU & Greek officials I believe...could be wrong...I'll be corrected if so.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:22 | 1410665 knukles
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They all sit on all of each other's decision making bodies, committees, whatever's... so it's dynamic social democratic justice for all in action. 
The ultimate confusion.

Can't wait to see what the creditor group looks like after all this.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:46 | 1410609 Cognitive Dissonance
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First paragraph. I somehow missed it as well.

Working through the details as best possible shows it strengthens the positions of the banks and weakens the IMF/EU/ECB (“Troika”) and is expensive for Greece.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:03 | 1410624 nmewn
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I stand corrected ;-)  

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:04 | 1410626 lynnybee
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o.m.g. .... i feel like such a dumb shit on this website sometimes.   yes, now i see it & now i understand ...... thank you !    Troika = the International Monetary Fund, the European Union & the European Central Bank !   (i'm getting good !)

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:11 | 1410651 High Plains Drifter
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don't worry about it lynnybee. its a jewish thing.

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