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How Many Senators Does It Take To Screw A Taxpayer?


“Today, the government decides and they misdirect the investment
to their friends in the corn industry or the food industry. Think how
many taxpayer dollars have been spent on corn [for ethanol], and there’s
nobody now really defending that as an efficient way to create diesel
fuel or ethanol. The money is spent for political reasons and not for
economic reasons. It’s the worst way in the world to try to develop an
alternative fuel.”
- Ron Paul

When bipartisanship breaks out in Washington DC, check to make sure
your wallet is still in your pocket. Every time you fill up your car
this winter you are participating in the biggest taxpayer swindle in
history. Forcing consumers to use domestically produced ethanol is one
of the single biggest boondoggles ever committed by the corrupt
brainless twits in Washington DC. Ethanol prices have soared 30% in the
last year as the supplies of corn have plunged. Only a policy created in
Washington DC could drive up the prices of gasoline and food, with the
added benefits of costing the American taxpayer billions in tax
subsidies and killing people in 3rd world countries.

The grand lame duck Congress tax compromise extended a 45-cent
incentive to ethanol refiners for each gallon of the fuel blended with
gasoline and renewed a 54-cent tariff on Brazilian imports. The
extension of these subsidies, besides costing American taxpayers $6
billion per year, has the added benefit of driving up food costs across
the globe, causing food riots in Tunisia, and resulting in the starving
of poor peasants throughout the world. This taxpayer boondoggle is a
real feather in the cap of that fiscally conservative curmudgeon Senator
Charley Grassley. He was joined in this noble effort by another fiscal
conservative, presidential hopeful John Thune. It seems these guys hate
wasteful spending, except when it benefits their states. The
bipartisanship in this effort was truly touching, as Democrats Kent
Conrad and Tom Harkin also brought home the pork for their states.

A bipartisan group of 15 senators signed a letter in late November
demanding an extension of U.S. ethanol subsidies. I wonder if the fact
they have received hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign
contributions during the past six years from pro-ethanol companies and
interest groups like ADM, Monsanto, the National Corn Growers
Association, and the Iowa Renewable Fuels Association had anything to do
with this demand. You can always count on a Senator to do what’s best
for his re-election campaign rather than what is best for the country.
These symbols of political integrity will always spout the standard
talking points:
  • Promoting ethanol reduces our dependence on foreign oil
  • Ethanol is green renewable energy
  • Ethanol is cheaper than gasoline

As we all know when dealing with a politician, “half the truth, is often a great lie.”


Corn is the most widely produced feed grain in the United States,
accounting for more than 90% of total U.S. feed grain production. 81.4
million acres of land are utilized to grow corn, with the majority of
the crop grown in the Midwest.  Although most of the crop is used to
feed livestock, corn is also processed into food and industrial products
including starch, sweeteners, corn oil, beverage and industrial
alcohol, yogurt, latex paint, cosmetics, and last but not least, fuel
Ethanol. Of the 10,000 items in your average grocery store, at
least 2,500 items use corn in some form during the production or
processing. The United States is the major player in the world corn
market providing more than 50% of the world’s corn supply. In excess
of 20% of our corn
crop had been exported to other countries, but
the government ethanol mandates have reduced the amount that is
available to export.

This year, the US will harvest approximately 12.5 million bushels of
corn. More than 42% will be used to feed livestock in the US, another
40% will be used to produce government mandated ethanol fuel, 2% will be
used for food products, and 16% is exported to other countries. Ending
stocks are down 963 million bushels from last year. The stocks-to-use
ratio is projected at 5.5%, the lowest since 1995/96 when it dropped to
5.0%. As you can see in the chart below, poor developing countries are
most dependent on imports of corn from the US. Food as a percentage of
income for peasants in developing countries in Africa and Southeast Asia
exceeds 50%. When the price of corn rises 75% in one year, poor people

The combination of an asinine ethanol policy and the loosest monetary
policy in the history of mankind are combining to kill poor people
across the globe. I wonder if Blankfein, Bernanke, and Grassley chuckle
about this at their weekly cocktail parties while drinking Macallan
scotch whiskey and snacking on mini beef wellington hors d’oeuvres. The
Tunisians aren’t chuckling as food riots have brought down the
government. This month, the U.N. Food and Agricultural Organization
(FAO) reported that its food price index jumped 32% in the second half
of 2010 — surpassing the previous record, set in the early summer of
2008, when deadly clashes over food broke out around the world, from
Haiti to Somalia.

Let’s Starve a Tunisian

“What is my view on subsidizing ethanol and farmers? Under the
constitution, there is no authority to take money from one group of
people and give it to another group of people for so called economic
benefits. So, no, I don’t think we should do that. Besides, bureaucrats
and the politicians don’t know how to invest money.”
- Ron Paul

The United States is the big daddy of the world food economy. It is
far and away the world’s leading grain exporter, exporting more than
Argentina, Australia, Canada, and Russia combined. In a globalized food
economy, increased demand for corn, to fuel American vehicles,
puts tremendous pressure on world food supplies. Continuing to divert
more food to fuel, as is now mandated by the U.S. federal government in
its Renewable Fuel Standard, will lead to higher food prices, rising
hunger among the world’s poor and to social chaos across the globe. By
subsidizing the production of ethanol, now to the tune of $6 billion
each year, U.S. taxpayers are subsidizing skyrocketing food bills at
home and around the world.

The energy bill signed by that free market capitalist George Bush in
2008 mandates that increasing amounts of corn based ethanol must be used
in gasoline sold in the U.S. This energy legislation requires a
five-fold increase in ethanol use by 2022. Some 15 billion gallons must
come from traditional corn-blended ethanol. Nothing like combining PhD
models and political corruption to cause worldwide chaos. Ben Bernanke
and Charley Grassley have joined forces to bring down the President of
23 years in Tunisia. People tend to get angry when they are starving.
Bringing home the bacon for your constituents has consequences. In the
U.S. only about 10% of disposable income is spent on food.  By contrast,
in India, about 40% of personal disposable income is spent on food. In
the Philippines, it’s about 47.5%.  In some sub-Saharan Africa,
consumers spend about 50% of the household budget on food. And according
to the U.S.D.A., “In some of the poorest countries in the region such
as Madagascar, Tanzania, Sierra Leone, and Zambia, this ratio is more
than 60%.”


The 107 million tons of grain that went to U.S. ethanol distilleries
in 2009 was enough to feed 330 million people for one year at average
world consumption levels. More than a quarter of the total U.S. grain
crop was turned into ethanol to fuel cars last year. With 200 ethanol
distilleries in the country set up to transform food into fuel, the
amount of grain processed has tripled since 2004. The government
subsidies led to a boom in the building of ethanol plants across the
heartland. As usual, when government interferes in the free market, the
bust in 2009, when fuel prices collapsed, led to the bankruptcy of
almost 20% of the ethanol plants in the U.S.

The amount of grain needed to fill the tank of an SUV with ethanol
just once can feed one person for an entire year. The average income of
the owners of the world’s 940 million automobiles is at least ten times
larger than that of the world’s 2 billion hungriest people. In the
competition between cars and hungry people for the world’s harvest, the
car is destined to win. In March 2008, a report commissioned by the
Coalition for Balanced Food and Fuel Policy  estimated that the
bio-fuels mandates passed by Congress cost the U.S. economy more than
$100 billion from 2006 to 2009. The report declared that “The policy favoring ethanol and other bio-fuels over food uses of grains and other crops acts as a regressive tax on the poor.” A 2008 Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (O.E.C.D.) issued its report on bio-fuels that concluded: “Further
development and expansion of the bio-fuels sector will contribute to
higher food prices over the medium term and to food insecurity for the
most vulnerable population groups in developing countries.”
These forecasts are coming to fruition today.

It Costs What?

The average American has no clue about the true cost of ethanol. They
probably don’t even know there is ethanol mixed in their gasoline. The
propaganda spread by the ethanol industry and their mouthpieces in
Congress obscures the truth and proclaims the clean energy mistruths and
the thousands of jobs created in America. The truth is that producing
ethanol uses more energy than is created while driving costs higher. The
jobs created in Iowa are offset by the jobs lost because users of
energy incur higher costs and hire fewer workers as a result. It takes a
lot of Saudi oil to make the fertilizers to grow the corn, to run the
tractors, to build the silos, to get the corn to a processing plant, and
to run the processing plant. Also, ethanol cannot be moved in
pipelines, because it degrades. This means using thousands of big diesel
sucking polluting trucks to move the ethanol – first as corn from the
fields to the processing plants, and then from the processing plants to
the coasts.

The current ethanol subsidy is a flat 45 cents per gallon of ethanol
usually paid to the an oil company, that blends ethanol with gasoline.
Some States add other incentives, all paid by the taxpayer. On top of
this waste of taxpayer funds, the free trade capitalists in Congress
slap a 54 cent tariff on all imported ethanol. Ronald R. Cooke, author
of Oil, Jihad & Destiny, created the chart below to estimate the true cost for a gallon of corn ethanol. Cooke describes a true taxpayer boondoggle:

It costs money to store, transport
and blend ethanol with gasoline. Since ethanol absorbs water, and water
is corrosive to pipeline components, it must be transported by tanker to
the distribution point where it is blended with gasoline for delivery
to your gas station. That’s expensive transportation. It costs more to
make a gasoline that can be blended with ethanol. Ethanol is lost
through vaporization and contamination during this process.
Gasoline/ethanol fuel blends that have been contaminated with water
degrade the efficiency of combustion. E-85 ethanol is corrosive to the
seals and fuel systems of most of our existing engines (including boats,
generators, lawn mowers, hand power tools, etc.), and can not be
dispensed through existing gas station pumps. And finally, ethanol has
about 30 percent less energy per gallon than gasoline. That means the
fuel economy of a vehicle running on E-85 will be about 25% less than a
comparable vehicle running on gasoline.

Real Cost For A Gallon Of Corn Ethanol

Corn Ethanol Futures Market quote for January 2011 Delivery $2.46
Add cost of transporting, storing and blending corn ethanol $0.28
Added cost of making gasoline that can be blended with corn ethanol $0.09
Add cost of subsidies paid to blender $0.45
Total Direct Costs per Gallon $3.28
Added cost from waste $0.40
Added cost from damage to infrastructure and user’s engine $0.06
Total Indirect Costs per Gallon $0.46
Added cost of lost energy $1.27
Added cost of food (American family of four) $1.79
Total Social Costs $3.06
Total Cost of Corn Ethanol @ 85% Blend $6.80


Multiple studies by independent non-partisan organizations have
concluded that mandating and subsidizing ethanol fuel production is a
terrible policy for Americans:

  • In May 2007, the Center for Agricultural and Rural Development at Iowa State University released a report
    saying the ethanol mandates have increased the food bill for every
    American by about $47 per year due to grain price increases for corn,
    soybeans, wheat, and others. The Iowa State researchers concluded that
    American consumers face a “total cost of ethanol of about $14 billion.”
    And that figure does not include the cost of federal subsidies to corn
    growers or the $0.51 per gallon tax credit to ethanol producers.
  • In May 2008, the Congressional Research Service blamed recent
    increases in global food prices on two factors: increased grain demand
    for meat production, and the bio-fuels mandates. The agency said
    that the recent “rapid, ‘permanent’ increase in corn demand has
    directly sparked substantially higher corn prices to bid available
    supplies away from other uses – primarily livestock feed. Higher corn
    prices, in turn, have forced soybean, wheat, and other grain prices
    higher in a bidding war for available crop land.”
  • Mark W. Rosegrant of the International Food Policy Research
    Institute, testified before the U.S. Senate on bio-fuels and grain
    prices. Rosegrant said that the ethanol scam has caused the price of
    corn to increase by 29 percent, rice to increase by 21 percent and wheat
    by 22 percent. Rosegrant estimated
    that if the global bio-fuels mandates were eliminated altogether, corn
    prices would drop by 20 percent, while sugar and wheat prices would drop
    by 11 percent and 8 percent, respectively, by 2010. Rosegrant said that
    “If the current bio-fuel expansion continues, calorie availability in
    developing countries is expected to grow more slowly; and the number of
    malnourished children is projected to increase.” He continued, saying
    “It is therefore important to find ways to keep bio-fuels from worsening
    the food-price crisis. In the short run, removal of ethanol blending
    mandates and subsidies and ethanol import tariffs, in the United
    States—together with removal of policies in Europe promoting
    bio-fuels—would contribute to lower food prices.”

The true cost of the ethanol boondoggle is hidden from the public.
The mandates, subsidies and tariffs take place out of plain view.
 The reason blenders (and gas stations) will pay the same for ethanol is
because they can sell it at the same price as gasoline to consumers. A
consumer will pay the same for ten gallons of E10 as for ten gallons of
gasoline even though the E10 contains a gallon of ethanol. Consumers pay
the same for the gallon of ethanol for three reasons. (1) They don’t
know there’s ethanol in their gasoline. (2) There is often ethanol in
all the gasoline because of state requirements, so they have no choice.
(3) They never know the ethanol has only 67% the energy of gasoline and
gets them only 67% as far. The result is that drivers always pay much
more for ethanol energy than for gasoline energy, simply because they
pay the same amount per gallon. When gasoline prices are $3.00 per
gallon, Joe Six-pack pays $4.50 for the same amount of ethanol energy.

You know a politician, government bureaucrat or central banker is
lying when they open their mouths. Whenever evaluating a policy or plan
put forth by those in control, always seek out who will benefit and who
will suffer. Who benefits from corn based ethanol mandates and
subsidies? The beneficiaries are huge corporations like Archer Daniels
Midland and Monsanto, along with corporate farming operations (80% of
all US farm production), and Big Oil. The mandated ethanol levels are
set in law. By providing tax subsidies we are bribing oil companies with
taxpayer dollars to do something they are legally required to do,
resulting in a $6 billion windfall profit to oil companies.  The other
beneficiaries are the Senators and Representatives from the farming
states who are bankrolled by the corporate ethanol beneficiaries and
their constituents who will re-elect them. The environment does not
benefit, as many studies have concluded that it requires more fossil
fuel energy (oil & coal) to produce a gallon of ethanol than the
energy created. The jobs created in the farm belt at artificially
profitable ethanol plants are more than offset by job losses due to the
added costs in the rest of the economy. When subsidies are removed or
oil prices drop, the ethanol plant jobs disappear, resulting in a
massive capital mal-investment. 

Our supposedly wise PhD and MBA leaders have created a perfect storm.
The unintended consequences of government intervention in the
markets are causing havoc, food riots, starvation and intense suffering
for the poor and middle class. Brazil produces sugar cane ethanol in
vast quantities and can export it to the U.S. much cheaper than we can
produce corn ethanol. Fuel prices would be lower without tariffs on
Brazilian ethanol imports. The average cost of food as a percentage of
disposable income for an American is 10%. Averages obscure the truth
that the cost is probably .0001% for Lloyd Blankfein, Ben Bernanke and
Chuck Grassley, while it is 30% for a poor family in Harlem. America’s
horribly misguided ethanol policy combined with Ben Bernanke’s Wall
Street banker subsidy program are resulting in soaring fuel and food
prices across the globe. Poor people around the world suffer greatly
from these policies. Below are two assessments of ethanol.     

 “Everything about ethanol is good, good, good.”Senator Chuck Grassley, Iowa

“This is not just hype — it’s
dangerous, delusional bullshit. Ethanol doesn’t burn cleaner than
gasoline, nor is it cheaper. Our current ethanol production represents
only 3.5 percent of our gasoline consumption — yet it consumes twenty
percent of the entire U.S. corn crop, causing the price of corn to
double in the last two years and raising the threat of hunger in the
Third World.”
Jeff Goodell

Who do you believe?


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Sat, 01/15/2011 - 15:40 | 878899 High Plains Drifter
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Tyler, I said in a earlier post a week ago that I didn't hate anyone. I lied. I hate these crooked, lying , traitorous politicians. I hate them real good and always have.  By the way, is that GM corn or Heirloom corn? 

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:03 | 878929 Akrunner907
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Hate your neighbors and family that don't vote. Hate the people that sit on their ass and don't get involved.  Hate all those voters who plug into the mainstream media to get their daily instructions.  They are the ones that are the cause for running this country into the ground!  When we, the voters, stopped holding elected officials accountable and forcing them to be OUR representatives we now are receiving our rewards.  It only took 100 years to unwind this country, but it is here.   


Good night, and good luck!

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:11 | 878946 High Plains Drifter
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As I have stated around here before, as you say also, it took a hundred years to get into this mess. So now , it will take a hundred years to get out of it. I look upon the horizon, I don't see too many who are willing to make such sacrifices. Our children have been taught to be selfish and self serving. There was a time in this country when we had at thing called front porches. This was a place where the family would go sit in front of the house, after dinner etc and talk. Now we have back porches, because we need our "privacy" Heck, many people don't even know their own neighbors and yet somehow someway, someone is supposed to build a coalition based upon this mindset. How can this be? I think this nation is overwith.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:18 | 878954 Akrunner907
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The only thing I can be grateful for is that Al Gore invented the internet! :)

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:26 | 878960 High Plains Drifter
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Oh yeh, the same guy who tried to rape his massage therapist and the same guy who got a Nobel peace prize for his bogus global warming theories. Yeh I remember his fat ass. Let us not forget how he used to call anybody and everybody from the VP's office trying to get them to give campaign contributions to the democrap party. Yeh he is a real peace of work. He too, belongs dangling at the end of a chinese made rope, the fat fuck.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:32 | 878972 Mark Medinnus
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Let's set him swinging and try for the fleas on his ass at 100 yards.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:41 | 878984 High Plains Drifter
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His fat ass and a hundred yards. Piece of cake....

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:39 | 879043 Malcolm Tucker
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If you want to see what Fascism looks like read this. Written by a Tunisian. it's a sector by sector, company by company listing of the huge concentration of wealth and power in the hands of former Tunisian Dictator Ben Ali:

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 18:00 | 879067 High Plains Drifter
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It was said he was like his own little mafia , him and his extended family. He stepped on his dick , when he went against the Israelis and wanted to support the Palestinians. Then all of a sudden not long after this, there are riots in the streets. Imagine that. There are many jewish Islamic converts and Berbers living in North Africa. Names,  faces and religious philosophies  do not mean much. It is what a man believes on the inside that matters and money talks , there as here and bullshit walks and as here, who has the money.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:41 | 879044 Rick Masters
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The scary thing is some of the stuff you said may become illegal soon. I can't believe I just said that. It's like a bad dream that I keep waking up to each morning.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 18:02 | 879069 High Plains Drifter
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Oh yes. If I lived in Canada, or Europe or Australia, I would receive a knock at my door over some of the things I say around here, and yes I would go to jail and then to prison. I promise you this. Dissent is a thing of the past, soon around here, believe me when I say that.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:49 | 879291 Hicham
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I highly doubt that. Have you ever been to Canada?

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 03:22 | 879655 WaterWings
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Speaking of Canada, and energy, where is Leo "Chinese Solars" Kolivakis?

Wonderful news if you aren't worried about unemployment!!

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 22:05 | 879280 Village Idiot
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They're working on a 1000 yard minimum...

Vol. 18, No. 2      01/14/10

Tucson Tragedy Prompts Renewed Calls For Gun Control

Click here to vote in this week's poll.

This week, the NRA and countless Americans offered prayers and condolences for those killed and wounded during the senseless assassination attempt on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.).

Yet while those of us who defend the Second Amendment were respecting the heartache of the people of Tucson and waiting to learn the full facts of the case, anti-gun activists were renewing their push for more gun control laws.  ("In the wake of these kind of incidents, the trick is to move quickly," the Violence Policy Center's Kristen Rand told MSNBC.)

Rand and other gun ban advocates were quick to push several schemes.

The most widely publicized is the proposal by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) to re-impose the 1994 ban on new manufacture of ammunition magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition, and to criminalize the transfer of existing magazines between law-abiding gun owners.  These magazines are standard equipment for self-defense handguns and other firearms owned by tens of millions of Americans.  Law-abiding private citizens choose them for many reasons, including the same reason police officers do: to improve their odds in defensive situations.

Also, Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) proposed to ban possession of firearms within 1,000 feet of the President, Vice President, Members of Congress or federal judges.  Obviously, this proposal would be ignored by anyone who intends to harm a government official.  But it would impose extraordinary burdens on honest gun owners, creating potentially hundreds of square miles of roving "gun free" areas throughout the United States. 
There's no question that the debate over gun control will continue after the Tucson attack.  Please rest assured that the NRA will, as always, stand front and center in defense of the rights of gun owners.  And, as always, watch your NRA-ILA alerts for the latest news and calls to action on these critical issues.


Sat, 01/15/2011 - 23:07 | 879374 Ned Zeppelin
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Who really needs clips holding 10 or more rounds of ammunition? It's not a sporting arm for hunting, after all.  Time to be reasonable. 

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 23:13 | 879379 nmewn
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"Who really needs clips holding 10 or more rounds of ammunition?"

Someone facing eleven Jared Loughner's.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 23:52 | 879427 trav7777
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what the fuck does "need" have to do with anything?

NEITHER YOU nor the GOVERNMENT is the BOSS of everybody.  this is OUR country, NOT THEIRS

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:23 | 879456 azusgm
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No kidding.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 10:11 | 879814 ReeferMac
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Say it again Brother!

Mon, 01/17/2011 - 01:00 | 880948 i.knoknot
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spot on trav, and in terms even some of the local idiots can actually understand.

what part of 'we have the right to be left the fuck alone' are these folks not getting?


Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:13 | 879451 WaterWings
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Yeah, why do cops carry around multiple high-cap mags?

Lets make a bunch of laws and ask criminals after the fact which ones they considered.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:41 | 879473 Chupacabra
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Where is it written that a weapon must be "a sporting arm for hunting," you effeminate little wimp?  And who cares what a groveling sniveler like you thinks is or is not reasonable when it comes to their choice of weapon?  F*ck you, Ned, you're exactly what's wrong with the world today.  Lop those balls off quick, son, they certainly ain't doing you any good.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 04:31 | 879668 Red Neck Repugnicant
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I support the second amendment, because I believe in whatever freedom we still have.  If you want to burry 10,000 rounds of ammo in your backyard like a feral, undomesticated RamboSquirrel, go for it.  Our quest for freedom from oppression is more important than any tragedy that might arise from it.  

For me, though, the problem with the second amendment are the wannabe-Rambo, Gunsmoke-douch-bags that are so often attached to the cause.  You know the ones I'm talking about: they always cowboy-up the rhetoric until the gun becomes a metaphor for their swinging dicks. Sometimes you don't even need to hear them to spot them - look for one or more of the following: flat-top, mustache and/or goatee, cowboy boots/hat, mullet, musky cologne, spitin' tobacco, oversized vehicle, barbed-wire tattoos and a preoccupation with Pamela Anderson (that's a must!). 

There's very little in the Constitution that elicits more ego-charged rhetoric than the second amendment; it's like halloween for their fragile, power-starved egos. We don't retreat, we reload! Fuck n' A! Saddle up the Camaros, baby!

These idiots are no different than those goofy Christians who babble in tongues and give Christianity a bad image.  Same with so many of the second amendment wing nuts who can't have a legitimate conversation without dressing up their ego into a tough-guy costume first.  They fit in the same box of lunacy.

Talk to me about Christ or freedom, and I'll listen and engage with civil discourse. Talk about faggots, effeminate little wimps, how God needs money or the upcoming rapture, and I'll just dismiss you as someone exercising their right to be a fucking moron. 



Sun, 01/16/2011 - 07:18 | 879728 WaterWings
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Engaging, yet still stinks of agenda. The "bad image" kind, if the reader knows what I mean.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 11:00 | 879865 High Plains Drifter
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What did he just say?

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 11:28 | 879901 nmewn
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I think he said anyone without a degree from Eton College is a lower form of life than he and is not entitled to an opinion without first clearing it through him...or sumpin.

I could be wrong ;-)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 10:50 | 879851 Chump
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What a lot of blather just to say, "I think I'm smarter than people I think are stupid."  Wow, what a success for you.

"Talk to me about Christ or freedom, and I'll listen and engage with civil discourse."

Ahahahahahaha.  Boy, phew, hahaha, thanks for that.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 19:14 | 880504 NumberNone
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What the fuck is wrong with you? 

Which of your so-called second amendment lover characteristics ""flat-top, mustache and/or goatee, cowboy boots/hat, mullet, musky cologne, spitin' tobacco, oversized vehicle, barbed-wire tattoos and a preoccupation with Pamela Anderson (that's a must!)." is associated with Jared Loughner?

Which of your characteristics "flat-top, mustache and/or goatee, cowboy boots/hat, mullet, musky cologne, spitin' tobacco, oversized vehicle, barbed-wire tattoos and a preoccupation with Pamela Anderson (that's a must!)" tied to the gun toters in Chicago that killed 217 people during the first half of 2010. 

You hate because your an elitist.  You hate because you think are smarter than they are and you think you know better than them.  Mostly you hate because they hate your liberal bullshit, have no fear of you, and have no qualm sticking a middle finger in your face to tell you to FUCK OFF and there is nothing you can do about it....except bash them in blogs and pray someday "daddy" government squashes them.   

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 10:42 | 879846 Chump
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Who really needs a semi-automatic rifle?  They're fast repeaters and unnecessary for skilled marksman.  Time to be reasonable.

Who really needs a KA-BAR?  It's designed for fighting and even has a "blood groove."  Time to be reasonable.

Who really needs knives with points at all?  They're good for stabbing and unnecessary for most kitchen applications.  Time to be reasonable.

Who really needs a nine pound sledge hammer?  This isn't the Wild West and we aren't building any railroads.  Time to be reasonable.

Who really needs your uninformed and useless opinion on what is or isn't reasonable, anyway?

Mon, 01/17/2011 - 04:40 | 881091 hardmedicine
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I still don't understand why fully auto isn't legal.  It says "shall not be infringed"  .... that means I should be able to carry around a fully automatic machine gun I think.  Go ahead and junk you pussy liberals.  And I'm a woman!!



Mon, 01/17/2011 - 09:34 | 881266 nmewn
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Give em hell lady!

They're not "liberals" they're progressives (socialists)...a liberal...a classical liberal, would never empower the state to take from a citizen.


The failed, vacuous logic of the progressive mind is simply this.

They agree, that the Bill of Rights is a document for all citizens outlining what the government >>>cannot do<<< against the citizen.

So far, so good.

Except for the Second Amendment...which they somehow strain to make the argument that it (and only it, the Second Amendment) applies to the government, the state.

There is no other of the remaining nine Amendment's where they try to make this do so would incite full scale rebellion.

This is where the progressive/socialist lie of "militia" falls flat on it's face.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 13:32 | 880062 Atlas Shrugging
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To directly answer your question, I do, because I WANT them (they're MAGAZINES, not "clips").  Either your head is so far up your ass or you want to control me, and either way, you are part of the problem.  I recall recently about a Marine on leave that was out with his girlfriend at a movie and was attacked by dozens of feral punks.  What better way to defend yourself than with a semi-auto (preferrably a .45, but a 9mm does generally have more capacity) and several high capacity magazines?  This situation is oh-so typical of the deflect-the-blame mentality of the Left.  Instead of infringing upon my rights to defend myself in the most efficient manner possible, why not just hold scum like this accountable for their actions and put this guy at the end of a short rope on a tall tree within a month?  That's the message we need to be sending!

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:28 | 880140 Red Neck Repugnicant
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What better way to defend yourself than with a semi-auto....

.....infringing upon my rights to defend myself in the most efficient manner possible

You (and your violence-mongering ego) completely miss the most salient point of the second amendment.  In fact, in doing so, you are no different than the Left who tries to use the statistically irrelevant event from last weekend to bolster their anti-gun propaganda.  The Left's point from last weekend and your post above both reflect a "head up ass" mentality.  

The second amendment is about freedom from oppression and freedom from a government taking your rights.  

Gun rights should never be questioned when a retard goes ape-shit, nor should it be validated by another statistically irrelevant scenario regarding punks in a parking lot. The second amendment is NOT about being able to turn a movie-theatre parking lot into a blood-soaked, urban warfare video game with chunks of carnage hanging from the rafters because you want some punks to pay the ultimate price for their transgressions against you. 

I don't want retards taking my rights, nor do I want blood-lusting wing-nuts protecting them. 


Mon, 01/17/2011 - 01:11 | 880962 i.knoknot
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you've proven many-times-over that you have it in you to be a complete asswipe in here.

but, regardless the source, a well-made point is simply that. props.

disclosure: i do like the parts of the movies where the 'leave me alone' good-guys beat/blow the shit out of the persistent bad-guy antagonists.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 01:46 | 879553 g
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What!?!? Al Gore did not invent the internet. Al Gore is just another pompous fool who loves to hear himself talk, plenty of idiots blindly worship this false god.

To the point, this is an enlightening article for sure.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:42 | 879046 imapopulistnow
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Progressives must always find a villian.  Ethanol is the villian of the day.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:43 | 879231 flacon
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Trans fat. 

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:12 | 879258 damage
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Uhm... I don't know a single libertarian, or conservative that believes ethanol used as fuel is good... only one or two idiot progressives...

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 11:16 | 879881 Eric The Red
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Uh, Grassley is a republican.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:27 | 879460 trav7777
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huh?  Corn based ethanol is NET ENERGY NEGATIVE.

It burns MORE OIL to put into your tank than oil it replaces!

Progressives with their idiotic green fetishes had as much to do with this boondoggle as the moron conservatives who are bankrolled by the big agra companies.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:43 | 879476 Cistercian
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 And not only is it energy negative it is also something that leads to a loss of topsoil.Farming is very much better in this regard today...but there is still loss.The ultimate mortgaging of the future!

   Starving the poor is just a wonderful happenstance for our dipshit lawmakers...they cave to evil shortsighted lobbies, and are rewarded by enough payola for reelection!

  The system works!

 For the Evil.

Mon, 01/17/2011 - 01:14 | 880964 i.knoknot
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and we refresh that topsoil with ... oil-based fertilizers...

we're so friggin doomed.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:54 | 879004 johnnynaps
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I don't vote anymore......have you seen the choices? Why would you want to support a McCain or Obama, both suck. I am tired of voting for the lesser evil. Oh, and I guarantee that I am doing more to starve the BEAST than you! Keep working and paying those taxes.....there might be another worthless war we need you to fund.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:37 | 879036 High Plains Drifter
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I used to say that when I voted. I have not voted for a very very long time now. It doesn't matter who we vote for, nothing good for the people happens never.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 18:59 | 879124 malikai
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The light at the end of the tunnel is when this whole bogus "reality" collapses. At that point, there will be no more subsidies, and the corruption which goes with it should also cease. I just hope it is us who inherit the new system, not the fascists of today. Here's to the Chinese cutting their losses and dumping treasuries en masse.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:29 | 879464 trav7777
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if you want subsidies and corruption, China is your country

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:39 | 879224 philgramm
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No vote is also a vote.  You are opting out and disagreeing with a rigged system.  If all the sheeple stayed home on election day the politicians would soon realize that no one supports the ponzi.  More importantly, the people would realize they are not alone, that the rest of the citizens are also fed up.  The state is very good at creating a problem, orchestrating a reaction, the offering up a solution (I read this somewhere but I don't recall where but credit is due tothe person who saw this).  It is the only way for the useless mafia known as the state to stay relevant.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:48 | 879238 High Plains Drifter
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I have never really thought about it, since on the surface it seems so benign, but just thinking about it, what would it possibly really mean?  Just think about it. If not one person voted, for anything, the shock to the system would be so great, that this one simple act, similar to every person taking their money out of the banks, would in fact, collapse the system. Imagine that.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 23:14 | 879375 Ned Zeppelin
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I tend towards HPD's view, at least on the national elections. Why bother picking between tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber?  Talk about a waste of gas, heading to the polls is an egregious waste of gasoline. Look at the last election: Obama (bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs) and Biden, or McCain (ZZZzzzzz) and the psycho, and dumb as a stump, Palin.  Great choice. If it were a restaurant you'd have already dissed it on the online reviews. 

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:42 | 879474 Chupacabra
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Whiner.  Be a man and do something about it.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:25 | 879458 merehuman
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and election results would be close as usual. 48-52 not much margin for many years. In my opinion its because the machines vote too, and their vote counts.


Sat, 01/15/2011 - 22:30 | 879335 pods
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The problem-reaction-solution was developed by Hegel, and is used by the state for achieving most of their goals.


Sun, 01/16/2011 - 11:40 | 879911 jackplata
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Isn't that the truth.   We need a third party soon

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:54 | 879060 Bearster
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hate all the people who think that government can or should tax some things, subsidize other things, force people to do or buy some things, force people not do buy or do other things...

They do this stuff in the name of the "public good", the "environment", the "children", "saving lives" or "safety", etc.

Until people can agree that all variants, flavors, colors, and styles of this same idea are *EVIL*, it will continue.

/sarcasm  Hey, we need to weaken the dollar to encourage exports

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 08:02 | 879738 creviceCaress
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hate the dupes who think voting makes A FUCKING DIFFERENCE in anything......hate the people who get off their asses and think they're doing something.........hate the MSMzombies because they make the grate-est country in the center of north america bad? 


it only took 230 years to unwind this country, but it is here.


<ahem>...nationalism is a disease, patriotism is cognitive dissonance(no offense CD)


get off the uncle sam train bucko, it's old, dewd.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:05 | 878936 colonial
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hey clint, aren't we out of the hate business at least for a week?

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:17 | 878953 High Plains Drifter
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During the week, I let my gun barrels cool down and regroup. It is a cold rainy day in south Texas and I must say what is on my mind now. I am under the influence of Starbucks coffee and its all good.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:27 | 878961 Mark Medinnus
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HPD, speak your piece or with your piece.  From reply to report, anything you have to say or spray is something I wanna hear!

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:34 | 878975 High Plains Drifter
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Hey, I am thinking of getting on the band wagon about this Glock business. I see a Glock in my immediate future, not because I need one, but because the government and Brady now hate them so.  I love glocks....

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:47 | 879054 Mark Medinnus
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I'm in.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:16 | 879197 TreadwCare
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Meh . . . I'll just add another Kimber.  Or continue saving up for a Wilson or Ed Brown.  American made excellence.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:50 | 879241 High Plains Drifter
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Wilson combat?  $2,000.00 , no ?

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:50 | 879486 Cistercian
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 Expensive...but epic grade in the hands of a master.

 Worth every penny for the qualified.


Sat, 01/15/2011 - 22:11 | 879310 mynhair
mynhair's picture, fool.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:17 | 879198 TreadwCare
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the old 4 char captcha double post . . .

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:34 | 879218 RobD
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Get a G-20 or G-26, 10mm baby, rock your world. Ted the Nug packs the G-20.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:51 | 879242 High Plains Drifter
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Have you checked out Armalites entry into the 9mm world?  AR-24?


Made in Turkey. I hear good things about it.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 01:12 | 879521 WaterWings
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Nice price. I prefer web-grip and trigger safeties myself.

Condition Zero.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:26 | 878999 G-R-U-N-T
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Don't want to add to much fuel to the fire but with anger over unemployment and lack of personal freedom which is happening in 'Tunisia' could very well happen here.

Didn't take long for the people to eject President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali. He has fled the country.

"Who do you believe?"

Well if I was Zine El Abidine Ben Ali I would be believing the angry mob....


Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:38 | 879039 High Plains Drifter
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Well it needs to happen here, very badly.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 18:12 | 879076 G-R-U-N-T
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There is a surge of rebellion welling up whether it will be diplomatic enough to solve some of these massive problems is hard to tell. If diplomacy fails and voters continue to re-elect foolish politicians then yes, I see several or a blend of different scenarios happening and indeed revolution is one.


Sat, 01/15/2011 - 18:22 | 879087 azusgm
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South Texas, huh? The state attorney general is on your side. Here's his letter from yesterday to a couple of congressional committee chairmen.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:42 | 878989 quasimodo
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You probably know this HPD, but it's ALL fucking GM corn. I live in the corn belt, in Iowa, and most people around here think ethanol is the greatest thing since sliced bread, dumb fucking sheep. The only place you will find any heirloom corn is somebodies garden, and even if a farmer wanted to plant some, it would never hold up to all the GM corn across the fence line of the neighbors field and all the shit they spray and cropdust on it. What is really neat is when there is volunteer GM corn that gets left behind during harvest, to grow next year with NO EARS....terminator technology. It ain't right. It's almost amusing that folks in my area think since they are surrounded by fields of corn and soybeans they will never go hungry.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:46 | 879051 High Plains Drifter
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I have a friend that lives in Iowa. She tells me things. I remember when I was a kid growing up, we used to travel to my grandfather's farm in Georgia. I used to watch the crop dusters dusting the crops. I smelled the strong odor of the DDT they were using at the time. Being young, I never stopped to think that smelling that stuff is not so good. Fools they are , destroying themselves and calling it good. The dusters would fly right over my grandfather's house ,dusting away on the crops around his home. People thought there was not a problem, because the nice government man said it was ok. FDR was their hero because he "helped" them with the new deal. Yeh right. It is like the old Iron Butterfly song says, slower than guns....

We listened then, we agreed then, but we never really acted upon our beliefs.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 19:17 | 879148 W.M. Worry
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You ain't lying about that DDT. Long term effects include paranoia , agitation, inappropriate verbal outbursts, and facial tics. No, not ticks - tics t-i-c-s . I did not say you had facial ticks. Hey! Put that gun away. Are you craz.......

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:44 | 879232 nmewn
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LOL...the only people melting down are found on the other usual.

"Toward the end of the taping, Amanpour brought up the issues of gun safety and mental health. As one member of the audience stood up and expressed his support for gun ownership, Fuller, seated near the front in an area reserved for victims and special guests, appeared increasingly frustrated and agitated.

Fuller then swiveled in his chair, raised his camera and took a photo of the pro-gun speaker, muttering, "You're dead," according to Joel Tranter, who was sitting behind him."
Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:05 | 879250 High Plains Drifter
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Well, you see, when a person says something, that makes some of those who have a very narrow focus, have , shall we say itchy ears, they don't like it. They wear their chains proudly and they want their daddy to "help" them at all times. They will look nice, when their job to destroy liberty is completed, marching side by side with those who they used to argue with over such issues, to the camps, that they themselves helped create for those who they disagree with, never really understanding or knowing that during these times we live in, they were useful idiots, idiots that are no longer of any use, then, and in the end, thrown away, like so much of yesterday's garbage. Such is the way it will be. Our people are taught to be spies on each other, our children too. So they use our people against us, in the struggle for liberty now, which now, is informational, but one day, may soon, turn out to be a life and death struggle. Such are the times we live in now. Neighbor against neighbor, a rat on every corner, those who say things that are disturbing and make the ears itch, must be rounded up , for the good of the country doncha know. Fuller is a classic example of a bafoon and a useful idiot , who in the end will be eliminated for exactly the same reasons , why he was useful for during the information war. A strange dichotemy, I myself will not worry too much about, nor lose any sleep over. Another words, he will get his one way or the other. What goes around comes around. Someone there, silently watching and listening, took notes on this. In the days of anarchy and no law, the account will be settled as if in a moment in time.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:33 | 879272 nmewn
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"A strange dichotemy, I myself will not worry too much about, nor lose any sleep over."

Yes it is a dichotemy...and I have never lost a moments of sleep over the fact that the producers would always be desired and needed by society in a post apo world...the simple truth is, we are needed...others, well, not so much.

The not so much crowd would do well to re-read that. 

It does seem however, cooler, more rational heads are beginning to pop up out of the fox holes...on both sides of whatever divide the folks have built against each other.

A well thought out & reasoned (in my view) piece from a liberal, not a progressive it would seem...but a true liberal;

"Let’s go back to this Saturday. When news of the incident first broke, bloggers began to speculate that this was a Tea Party-related incident. No evidence of that emerged. Once a little more information trickled out, The New York Times and other outlets linked Loughner to a far-right publication called American Renaissance. That likewise had no basis in fact. Over the next day or two, as Loughner turned out to give off numerous indications of mental illness but very few of right-wing ideology, the dominant analysis became, “Okay maybe this guy was nuts, but, still, he was at least indirectly a product of a climate of political hysteria.”

By Monday, The New York Times’ editorial page had kicked into action. It conceded that, sure, Loughner operated “well beyond usual ideological categories,” but, still, it was “legitimate to hold Republicans and particularly their most virulent supporters in the media responsible for the gale of anger that has produced the vast majority of these threats, setting the nation on edge.” The Los Angeles Times followed suit. It admitted that, sure, Loughner and “his own demons were primarily to blame,” but it still condemned the “increasingly incendiary and violent rhetoric that characterizes today's political debate,” for which “the right bears the brunt of responsibility.” Meanwhile, dozens of opinion writers were busily adding related but equally ethereal musings to the heap. Writing in the Guardian, blogger Jessica Valenti blamed a “country that sees masculinity—especially violent masculinity—as the ideal.”

"So why did the press go so far astray this week? How did many fine, otherwise fair-minded journalists allow their judgment to become so clouded? Let’s venture briefly—and hopefully not too speculatively, lest I be accused of double standards—into the realm of cognition. Organizational theorists such as Karl E. Weick, a professor of psychology at the University of Michigan Business School, have researched how we react to unexpected events. In his 1995 book Sensemaking in Organizations, Weick notes that we humans automatically categorize what we encounter, ushering messy new complexities into tidier established categories (“myths, metaphors, platitudes, fables, epics and paradigms,” to be precise). When something bad and inexplicable takes us by surprise, our brains reach for the handiest existing narratives, and accuracy falls by the wayside in favor of simple plausibility. “The stories are templates,” writes Weick. “They are products of previous efforts at sensemaking. They explain. And they energize.”

I guess at the end of it all...I still hold out hope that death & destruction will not come to our door...but a wise man will always be prepared for it.


Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:59 | 879299 Real Estate Geek
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So why did the press go so far astray this week? How did many fine, otherwise fair-minded journalists . . .

That's where he went off the rails.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 22:32 | 879337 nmewn
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Yeah...I try to take it all in the context of the author's viewpoint.

He also said Barry told everyone to cool it and that's when the bubbling cauldron stopped...which is a bit of a stretch...Tucson T-shirts notwithstanding ;-)

But I think his larger point is well made...and received by me.

That is, people are pre-disposed to view current events through past prisms...I'm no different...HPD knows full well I called this guy as a leftist anarchist when it first broke.

Well it turns out he was not a leftist (at least in my sense of the word) I was wrong, at least partially.

In the larger issue it is dominance of progressive thought in MSM and how they can get it so completely wrong via group think on a breaking story...then compound the error by the "yes, but's" trying to save some shred of credibility that has long been lost anyways.

It's no wonder subscription rates are plummeting. Charles Blow, a columnist for the NYT also did a semi walk's really pretty pathetic...but it was an matter how weak, it's good to see they are at least semi conscious.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 23:21 | 879394 Ned Zeppelin
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Even better that as I told my wife for a couple of hours I swear it was the three syllable name Jared Lee Laughner, since all psycho assassins in USAMedia Land must have three names. 

Anybody else notice this? 

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:39 | 879471 trav7777
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garbage...trying to give a reason to the irrational.

The liberal establishment and all liberals are irrational.

None of them had a problem with the 1000s of times GWB was burnt in effigy.  In fact, they held it up as proof positive of his evil nature.

Have an anti-obama sticker, the secret service shows up.  Everything against him is racism or terrorism.  It's really as simple as that.  By definition, everything on the left it pure and if you don't agree, you are a psycho or a terrorist.  Calling for your murder is reasonable and just; if you do the same thing, you are an evil and vitriolic psychopath.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 01:50 | 879563 Bear
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Again right on the money 7777.

Mon, 01/17/2011 - 01:27 | 880975 i.knoknot
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bingo again...

and... agreeing with trav here, does in NO WAY indicate any love for ANY OTHER political movement that may agree with this particular criticism.

dispising liberalism does not imply ANYTHING more than dispising liberalism.

so fuck off if any of you read anything more into what is written, than what is actually written.

your dots don't connect.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 22:17 | 879318 mynhair
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Fight Malaria in Africa!  Bring back DDT!

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 23:02 | 879367 nmewn
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A good point, that will be completely lost on progressive's trying to assuage a sense of guilt assigned by others onto them. 

But, it is what it is.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:39 | 879470 Rusty Shorts
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Hell no, not DDT guy, it's all about Sweet Wormwood (Artemisia)


Artemos (TM) (B--Artmether)

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 23:23 | 879259 G-R-U-N-T
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Thank God we have each other to pull the covers of all the crap that these idiots come up with.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:52 | 879059 High Plains Drifter
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now they kill our bees. I want people to understand something. No bees, no life. Is that crystal clear?

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:37 | 879467 merehuman
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we are  without a doubt on a suicidal path.

cant see the sky with my eyes in the gutter, looking for more, and more and yet MORE.


Sun, 01/16/2011 - 01:11 | 879517 Cistercian
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 You can't see the sky while adoring yourself in the mirror either.And self adoration is something these idiots are truly expert at.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 06:51 | 879716 Golden monkey
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How can I be sure that Dick Cheney will not survive all that shit?

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 18:14 | 879080 scythian empire
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Here is some info for the lobby to outwit!:


Consider that growing corn requires heavy amounts of fertilizers, especially because this new corn crop for ethanol is growing on less fertile, marginal land. Of course, producing fertilizers requires (shocking!) oil and natural gas.  And guess where they typically come from... of course, the Persian Gulf!  And what do we do with corn?  We subsidize it!  If you look at the relationship of costs of producing ethanol with corn, you'll quickly learn that a lot of the corn subsidies go back to the input manufactuers of fertilizers... which is oil in the middle east and venezula. 


You're supporting the terrorists then with your tax payments!  Oh no, no, no, no!

Remove the subisidies and let the markets determine who makes our gas.

Or better yet!... lets just build the nuke plants and get it over and done with and take power out of the lobbyist's hands (and have carbon free, low cost, long term, reliable energy source)!  Society wins!

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:31 | 879271 DarkAgeAhead
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Yep, true.  Pimentel at Cornell has made this scientifically clear.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 22:27 | 879334 Ras Bongo
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Have you read this?

The Stakes Are Huge: There's Another Bank Crash Looming, and We Must Prevent Another Bailout's_another_bank_crash_looming,_and_we_must_prevent_another_bailout/?page=entire

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 18:03 | 880400 Problem Is
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"By the way, is that GM corn or Heirloom corn? "

Monsanto GM All The Way
Watch the documentary "King Corn" sometime for a primer on the ag-corn industry...

Original website for reference: <HERE>

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:05 | 878902 High Plains Drifter
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By the way, perhaps some of the readers would like some big bootay to go with that ethanol.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:29 | 878966 Mark Medinnus
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That's good, but I prefer some Alexis with my Texas.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:47 | 879235 philgramm
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Porn stars always welcome in fight club................Long live Nina Hartley (I'm a nostalgic type).

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:06 | 879253 High Plains Drifter
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Speaking of porn stars, looks like Charlie Sheen is back in Vegas again.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 01:14 | 879524 WaterWings
Sun, 01/16/2011 - 01:43 | 879556 Cistercian
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 That was hilarious.Thanks for the laugh!

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:18 | 879201 bugs_
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I'd like three big macs and a diet coke

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:38 | 879469 merehuman
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and 10,000 calories to you.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 15:45 | 878907 LawsofPhysics
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The thermodynamic of ethanol have never worked.  The energy required to make fertilizer for the soil, grow the corn while protecting from disease, water the corn, harvest the corn, extract the sugars (corn stover and oils are useless), ferment the sugar to ethanol, isolate the ethanol, ship the ethanol, and finally blend the ethanol is far greater than the amount of energy you get out of burning the ethanol.  It would be more efficient, thermodynamically to burn the corn plants directly.

But this is what you get when special interests run the government through lobbying.  The greater good has no voice in our government.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:05 | 878935 Fish Gone Bad
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You said that much better than I could have.  Since there is less energy in a gallon of ethanol than in a gallon of gasoline, peoples' gas mileage will also go down. 

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:51 | 879000 Calmyourself
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Less energy is true and it is also hydrophilic, loves water.  It does not transport well in pipelines and must be trucked.  Garbage, imo, but oh so loved by politicians who get to hand out more money.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:08 | 879254 High Plains Drifter
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So is a whisky bottle full of gas more explosive than a whisky bottle full of ethanol?  Hmmm.....

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:39 | 879042 duo
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Ethanol also requires 10 gallons of water for the fermentation process for every gallon produced.  Water that comes from an aquafer somewhere the will go dry sooner due to ethanol.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:48 | 879236 nmewn
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More statist unintended consequences.

Let's use food for fuel & deplete the water supply at the same time.


Sat, 01/15/2011 - 18:18 | 879084 scythian empire
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and fertilizers are made from forgein compounds (nat gas and oil)... and there the subisidies flow back (approx .45 of every $1 of ethanol).

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 18:31 | 879094 azusgm
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"burn the corn plants directly"


Oh no, that cannot be allowed. A sawmill in this area recently decided not to rebuild after a fire in large part because the EPA was giving them grief for burning their sawdust to run their electric generator.


These people must want America to fail.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:17 | 879262 High Plains Drifter
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The sawmill has wood chippers don't they? 

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 01:01 | 879502 azusgm
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I'm sure they had planers and bark chippers.


Somehow it is supposed to be more green to burn diesel to truck the biomass elsewhere and dispose of it. At the same time, the sawmill would have needed to buy hydrocarbon generated electricity from the grid. (It's pretty much coal, lignite, or nat gas up here.)

The sawmill is closed now and the jobs are gone.


Sun, 01/16/2011 - 01:58 | 879577 Cistercian
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 Yet another win for the enemies of common sense.

   I type this just after putting more wood in my wood stove.


Sat, 01/15/2011 - 20:49 | 879239 Bagbalm
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And good luck explaining that to people who came out of the public schools. Physics and chemistry? They can't even count out change.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:35 | 879276 DarkAgeAhead
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Too true.  Pimentel at Cornell demonstrated this well.  Yet another boondoogle, blessed at the altar of traditional environmentalism.

If only more environmentalists actually understood or followed the laws of nature...  Their worst fiction is believing you can actually preserve the world by not using it.


Sat, 01/15/2011 - 15:46 | 878909 steve from virginia
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A lot of words dancing around the real problem which is @ the end of your driveway. You have to think about making the 21st century choice:

"Do I eat or do I drive?"

Our toys are at war with us over resources. Right now the toys are winning.

At some point more than a few Tunisians are going to die for making this choice incorrectly, by then it will probably be too late.

Time to start thinking outside the 'auto only' box and make ready to reinvent something else.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:03 | 878931 High Plains Drifter
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For a while there , in 2008 , I believe , when gas was over $4.00 a gallon, rumblings started about the death of the bedroom communities across this land, and how people will have to move near where their jobs are , in order to save money on gas. Gas around here is over $3.00 a gallon for super unleaded. High gas prices will cause some major problems in this FED orchestrated economic "comeback" out of this "recession", as they call it. With real unemployment sitting now at about 17 to 20 percent, I ask, now, what difference does it really make?  We now have students getting out of college, who cannot find jobs, who are waiting tables and also burdened with student loan debt. I am here to tell you, that imho, this student loan debt situation did not come about by accident. It is a scam, and among other things , it creates debt slaves of our children, as they set out on their careers. They say that there is standing room only in the lines at the armed forces recruiting stations. Can you imagine it. Johnny cannot find a job, so he joins the army , never mind , we are fighting wars based upon lies, but he must eat and get on with his life, and to him, this is a last resort, but in their minds, a necessary and reasonable choice to make. God help us. The military industrial complex laughs as the fools line up to go into the war machine because the cousins of those who own the military industrial complex, also own the financial means of this country and as they destroy the country financially, they use our young people to destroy their enemies and in the mean time, their friends who own the military industrial complex, benefit greatly by monies spent on this insanity. I wonder sometimes, if such thoughts cross the mind of some volunteer soldier , somewhere, lying in a ditch being shot at, by some guy , whose only crime is that he wants us to get the hell out of his country and leave him alone?  A simple request and a simple desire and a justifiable want, in my opinion because if I were in his shoes, I would do the same. So with the bad economy, we have many who would rather volunteer to fight a war, based upon lies, than do the honorable thing and refuse to fight them, only because of a few fiat dollars placed in his wallet. Sad times we live in.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:04 | 879014 johnnynaps
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Correct, correct.....did I say correct? Gas, will be the wild card. The student loan disaster is a scam. And, there are members of the army questioning WTF they are doing and why!

Funny, how the older generation ridicules the younger one by saying we are lost. Yet, we see right through the Ponzi scheme they have set for us!


Sat, 01/15/2011 - 15:50 | 878914 ranrun
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I live in Minneapolis and I've noticed the past couple years there is always some sort of ethanol ad on the buses.  Pretty discussing that my money is stolen from me and then used to convince me that it for a good cause.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:15 | 878951 High Plains Drifter
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Back in the 70's and 80's , the goverment talked our family farmers into buying heavy farm machinery on credit. The terms looked nice and the farmers bought into it. Needless to say, things did not go as planned in many cases. So the banks foreclosed on the family farms and sold the farms to the food conglomerates, the same ones who impose GM foods on us. Was this by accident? I think not. It was part of a long range plan to control food. Take a look at the old movie " soylent green". Do you all realize, they do not just get the ideas for these movies out of the thin air. A lot of times, they tell you what they are thinking and what is coming. And they laugh at you. We are all cattle to be fattened up and when the time comes, to be killed. But cows have guns. This is a problem for the cow owners.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:01 | 879010 ranrun
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Yea I think I've heard people talk about that...  Part of that story I remember is those big shiny metal silos (think they are blue with white tops...).  But they were suppose to be the next big thing for who knows why and ended up being worse then the original.  Left farmers with un-usable silos and debt.  Gotta love our elastic money supply.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:33 | 879033 High Plains Drifter
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The whole thing kind of reminds me of the Billy Sol Estes scam. He was personal friends with Lyndon Baines Johnson and now he is a very old man, who goes to church. LBJ was involved up to his armpits in this deal, yet he got elected to the Senate with the votes of dead Mexicans , who were buried in a grave yard in Duval county, a county controlled by another one of his good buddies, the Duke of Duval, Judge Parr...

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 22:19 | 879319 quasimodo
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Ah yes, the good old Harvestore silo..A.O. Smith should have stuck to water heaters

I can name about 10 farms I pass every day to work that went belly up during the early 80's, so what did the bank do? They hired bulldozers, dug a hole next to the silo and pushed it over. Yeah, that'll learn 'em.




Sun, 01/16/2011 - 01:21 | 879532 Cistercian
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 One section makes for an epic aboveground pool.Yes, I too have taken a dip in one!!!

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:48 | 879484 Rusty Shorts
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Harvestore  = FAIL

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:37 | 879035 Mariposa de Oro
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We are all cattle to be fattened up and when the time comes, to be killed.

I had a similar thought the other day while contemplating my local herd of sheeple, who, btw, are STILL waiting for their Hope-N-Change to arrive.  My thinking had them more as dozy sheep calmly waiting for the shepard to bring them more food.   The herd has been well fed and cared for in these last 30 years, but now its time to shear the sheep, and cull their numbers.  So first the sheep will be completely fleeced, and then sent to the slaughterhouse, with only a few individuals of higher future shearing potential returned to pasture.  Most of the herd around me is completely docile and would never be like a  cow and get gun.

I wonder if sheep can eat Hope-N-Change?

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 18:12 | 879077 High Plains Drifter
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Yes hope and change gathered last weekend in Arizona, the most stupid idiotic display of brainless drivel I have seen in a while. They all had their little shirts on, shirts that were provided to them, with the words , "together we thrive"  . They really didn't give one good damn about those people who got killed , but only to start some stupid politcal movement for the man of change for 2012.  It sickens me to think that  I live among people like that. It sickens me to think that many of our founding fathers did so much to try and start this country out on the right foot but now look at it dying on the vine. Who is there that will stand for her, in her time of need?  Who is her champion now?  Where is he or she?  No where to be found. The silence is deafening as this nation dies.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 18:35 | 879100 Mariposa de Oro
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I refused to watch the political rally/BS theater.  I'm on the other side of the international dateline, so it was being broadcast live during work hours.  We have TV monitors in our work area with a live news feed.  One of my co-workers was quite smitten with The One and his teleprompter.  I muttered under my breath and started to leave the room.  My associate commented that I sure don't like The One.  I had to agree.   So he asked me why and I told him because I think The One is full of shit.  To which the answer was 'at least he isn't Bush'.  I requsted I be informed of all the things the evil Bush had done, that The One had undone.  The hemming and hawing began and then he stated, 'well, it takes time'.  I pointed out The One has not undone a single thing in two years, and in fact, has built upon Bush the Evil's actions.  We just looked at each other and a decided to let it go since this is a small place and we all have to live and work together.

Yes, our country is dying on the vine, but it is self inflicted.  I look forward to it.  The ones responsible for it will pay the highest price.  Once they remove themselves from the surface of the earth, the rest of us will, hopefully, be able to rebuild our lives.  Probably not the USA as we knew it, unfortunately.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:40 | 879286 azusgm
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"The ones responsible for it will pay the highest price."


I highly doubt that. Nice thought though.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 02:13 | 879597 Cistercian
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 Many would be better than the scum currently in charge.But that which marks us as excellent to serve in these evil times also marks us as unelectable.Any serious threat to TPTB suffers the usual doom.

 I was talking to a man today, who believed as I did.Which was fun and entertaining.As well as rare...too bad.I live in North Carolina....and getting a Senate seat here will cost at least 40 million dollars.

 That excludes a giant swath of the population.

 And pretty much explains the horror we face.The media is owned by our mortal enemies, so actual change will be difficult.Very difficult.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 19:11 | 879137 malikai
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So first the sheep will be completely fleeced, and then sent to the slaughterhouse, with only a few individuals of higher future shearing potential returned to pasture.

Pretty much. I'll note here that instead of the slaughterhouse, the best usage for the sheep will be thermolysis or perhaps pyrolysis. This will yield a high quality crude oil which will then be cat cracked to power the elite's vehicles. And to that end, the fatter the sheep, the better.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 19:23 | 879152 Mariposa de Oro
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And here I am, thinking my extra 30lbs might come in handy when the food shortages happen....  (:-<

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:53 | 879003 Calmyourself
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MPLS is a liberal hole paid for by the outlying taxes, that said.  The MN state Government spends all kinds of our money telling us to behave, put on our seatbelts etc..

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 17:42 | 879045 duo
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Monsanto:  "Give me control of a nation's food supply, and I care not what the Rothchilds do"

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:03 | 879157 Mariposa de Oro
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Monsanto:  "Give me control of the world's food supply, and I care not what the Rothchilds do"

Fixed it.  Would probably make a good T-shirt.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 15:54 | 878921 tmosley
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Trick question.  With the Fed around, you don't need ANY senators to screw taxpayers.  Of course, they help if they are.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 15:55 | 878922 Flounder
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You need to understand that ex. food and energy everything is okay.  So don't you worry about it, besides the game comes on in an hour and food and energy don't play much of a part in the X's and O's of football.

Core CPI (ex. food and energy) is important because it is one of the indicators economists look at to detect an out-of-the-ordinary change in inflation.  The annual rates of growth in core CPI have been decreasing at a steady rate for some time.  An unusual deviation from this trend would suggest that the Fed should take some sort of action.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 15:58 | 878924 Fat Ass
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The USA is insane.  This ethanol business could only be produced by a large caste of people (the politicians) who are literally insane - not functioning mentally.  Mere horrific corruption can't explain it.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 07:12 | 879722 Golden monkey
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When Palin will hit the switch, you will know what insanity means.

Watch the Quebec gvt video explaining why Obama is a terrorist :

When there will be no more Muslims, they will kill you all.




Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:01 | 878926 ZackLo
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ethenol eats up fuel pumps too! but you know politicians are all seeing, all knowing super lets not fudge around with the details...another consequence of the "we don't vote on bills we wave at them as they go by" (forgot who said that someone from the 30's)  policies that always preclude mass upheavels and social unrests...stemming from politicians trying to buy votes with said bills.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:02 | 878928 Jerry Maguire
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Indeed our rulers will never do anything other than toady to the banksters.

If we want something done, we're going to have to do it ourselves by amending the constitution in the US.


Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:03 | 878930 Trundle
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The Senate detects angry, even hostile language.

You will have to go under the Mou Mou. 

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:04 | 878932 Hephasteus
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The futures market is not important here. What's important here is that they break your car.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:31 | 878970 Rogerwilco
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I know a guy who owns an equipment rental business. Ethanol cost him over $20K in repairs last year and now he specifically discourages renters from bringing equipment back with a full tank. Some idiots were refilling tanks with E85 and it was rotting out the seals and lines.

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:00 | 879437 Spalding_Smailes
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 ........ " Starting Jan. 1, 2012, Form 1099s will become a means of reporting to the Internal Revenue Service the purchases of all goods and services by small businesses and self-employed people that exceed $600 during a calendar year. Precious metals such as coins and bullion fall into this category and coin dealers have been among those most rankled by the change. " ...............

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 00:07 | 879442 Spalding_Smailes
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28%, This week is brutal for doomers ... A monkey hammer in the nutz'


WSBear ~


One of the reasons Rasputin took an extended break from posting publicly on this board is the sheer magnitude of mis-information, false beliefs and other goings-on that frustrate one who seeks to disseminate the truth. 

And, yet again, when the Mad Monk posted that he recently paid his LEGALLY OBLIGATED 28% capital gains taxes on his whip and spoon sales in 2010, a poster chimed in with TOTALLY INACCURATE information, stating that it wasn't necessary to bother with paying income taxes on shiny coins, since they are supposedly "exempt" from taxation. 

Well, below please find a private message response that Ras made to the poster in question (with the name changed to "anonymous" in order to save said poster embarrassment), which Rasputin just sent, describing that--indeed--all GHS/SHS types are ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED to file and pay capital gains taxes on their barbarous rock profits. 

To wit: 

"(Un-named poster): 'I have sold some AMERICAN denominated gold coins and was told by more than one coin dealer and accountant that American denominated coins were not taxable.' 

(Ras Reply): You were TOTALLY MISLED by the coin dealers and this accountant. Period. And here's the proof: 

First, let's begin with "IRS Topic 409", right from the IRS' own Website, found here: 

In it, you will find the following description of what qualifies as a "collectible": 

'Net capital gain from selling collectibles (such as coins or art) is taxed at a maximum 28% rate.' 

Now, where you--and your advisers--have COMPLETELY MISINTERPRETED the tax code has to do with the IRS ruling on what constitutes a DISTRIBUTION (or not) regarding transferring coins into an IRA. Period. 

And here is the ruling on that little matter, again repeated from an IRS "Private Ruling" LETTER: 

...whereby IRS determined--that SOLELY for the purposes of whether or not to treat putting shiny coins into an IRA (and for NO other intent or purpose)--the transfer of these assets into the IRA (and NOT, I repeat NOT the general sale of coins) MIGHT be treated as a tax-free DISTRIBUTION INTO THE IRA. 

However, if you actually take the time to read the private ruling, you will see that the IRS DENIED the request of the taxpayer to have his coins treated as a tax exempt DISTRIBUTION INTO THE IRA, because he was allowing a third-party to act as "custodian" for his PMs. 

So, once again, we have people making half-baked, INCORRECT, AND POTENTIALLY VERY COSTLY (in terms of tax penalties and interest) assertions, that have ZERO BASIS in fact, when it comes to having to pay 28% capital gains taxes on selling gold and silver coins. 

So, rather than be 'upset' and 'taken aback' at my response, perhaps you should thank me for saving you the pain, humiliation, embarrassment and cost of making ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT assertions, then contacting IRS, begging for their forgiveness, and paying up the taxes, penalties and interest that you owe. 

And if you still won't accept my well-researched reply, perhaps you should contact IRS directly and ask them what their position is on this matter. 

I trust you are going to get the exact, same answer that I just gave you--and one that is IN DIRECT OPPOSITION to the horrid (and absolutely incorrect) advice you received from those other parties. 

Heh, perhaps Ras should charge you for his help. 


Sat, 01/15/2011 - 16:09 | 878943 profoundlogic
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Excellent post, and the reason I drive a turbo diesel with 40 mpg! The idiots in Congress are the same crooks who gave us 100% write-offs for Hummers, only to claim ingnorance when gas prices climbed to $4 a gallon.  I will not buy another traditional gasoline-powered vehicle.  Doing so only supports the status quo, and the status quo is screwing us blind.

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 21:39 | 879282 DarkAgeAhead
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One of my next and most happy steps will be converting a hotwater heater into a biodiesel plant in one of my barns.  Can't wait.  SVO or B100 summers, B30 winters.

Thinking a 1970's Toyota LandCruiser diesel at 30mph and all aluminum (I think?) is the way to go.

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