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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

How Much Would It Cost To Buy Congress Back From Special Interests?

Here's a thought: let's buy our Congress back from the special interests who now own it.

We all know special interests own the U.S. Congress and the Federal machinery of governance (i.e. regulatory capture). How much would it cost the American citizenry to buy back their Congress? The goal in buying our Congress back from the banking cartel et al. would not be to compete with the special interests for congressional favors--it would be to elect a Congress which would eradicate their power and influence altogether.

A tall order, perhaps, but certainly not impossible, if we're willing to spend the money to not just match special interest contributions to campaigns but steamroll them.

A seat in the U.S. Senate is a pricey little lever of power, so we better be ready to spend $50 million per seat. Seats in smaller states will be less, but seats in the big states will cost more, but this is a pretty good average.

That's $5 billion to buy the Senate.

A seat in the House of Representatives is a lot cheaper to buy: $10 million is still considered a lot of money in this playground of power. But the special interests-- you know the usual suspects, the banks, Wall Street, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Tobacco, the military-industrial complex, Big Ag, public unions, the educrat complex, trial lawyers, foreign governments, and so on--will fight tooth and nail to maintain their control of the Federal machinery, so we better double that to $20 million per seat. Let's see, $20 million times 435....

That's $8.7 billion to buy the House of Representatives.

It seems we're stuck with the corporate toadies on the Supreme Court, but the President could scotch the people's plans to regain control of their government, so we better buy the office of the President, too.

It seems Obama's purchase price was about $100 million, but the special interests will be desperate to have "their man or woman" with the veto power, so we better triple this to $300 million.

Add these up and it looks like we could buy back our government for the paltry sum of $14 billion. This is roughly .0037% of the Federal budget of $3.8 trillion, i.e. one-third of one percent. That is incredible leverage: $1 in campaign bribes controls $300 in annual spending--and a global empire.

Once we bought back our government, what would be the first items on the agenda? The first item would be to eradicate private bribes, a.k.a. private campaign contributions and lobbying.

If you allow $1 in campaign contributions, then you also allow $10 million. There is no way to finesse bribery, so it has to be cut and dried: no member of Congress can accept any gift or contribution of any nature, monetary or otherwise, and all campaigns will be publicly financed.

Is this system perfect? Of course not. There is no perfect system. But the point here is that a system which allows even a $1 private contribution to a campaign cannot be restricted; after the courts have their say, then all attempted limitations prove worthless.

So it's really all or nothing: either we put our government up for auction to the highest bribe, or we ban all gifts and private campaign financing and go with public financing of all elections in the nation.

That is the only practical and sane solution. Any proposal that seeks to finesse bribery will fail, just like all previous attempts at campaign finance reform.

Any member of Congress who accepts a gift, trinket, meal, cash in an envelope, etc. will lose their seat upon conviction of accepting the gift. Once again, you can't finesse bribery. It has to be all or nothing, and the only way to control bribery is to ban it outright.

As for lobbying, thanks to a Supreme Court dominated by corporate toadies, it will be difficult to ban lobbying outright. However, that doesn't mean Congress shouldn't try to force the toadies on the Supreme Court to make a distinction between a corporation with $100 billion in assets and billions to spend on bribes and a penniless citizen.

(Those two are not coincidental; in a nation run by and for corporations, the citizens all end up penniless unless they own or manage said corporations, or work for a Federal fiefdom which can stripmine the nation at will.)

Congress should pass a law banning paid-for lobbying. If a citizen wants to go to Congress and advocate a position, they are free to do so--but they can't accept money to do so. If they receive any compensation from any agency, enterprise, foreign government, other citizen, you name it, from any source, then they will be sentenced to 10 years of fulltime community service in Washington D.C., picking up trash, etc.

If the Supreme Court toadies strike down that law, then here's another approach:

Require all paid lobbyists to wear clown suits during their paid hours of work.

In addition, all lobbyists are required to wear three placards, each with text of at least two inches in height.

The first placard lists their total annual compensation as a lobbyist.

The second lists the special interest they work for.

The third lists the total amount of money that special interest spent the previous year on lobbying, regulatory capture, bribes to politicos and political parties, etc.

Every piece of paper issued by lobbyists must be stamped in large red letters, "This lobbying paid for by (special interest)", and every video, Powerpoint presentation, etc. must also be stamped with the same message on every frame.

The second item on the agenda is a one-page tax form. The form looks like the current 1040 form except it stops at line 22: TOTAL INCOME. A progressive flat tax is then calculated from that line. Once again, you cannot finesse bribery or exemptions, exclusions, loopholes and exceptions. Once you allow exemptions, exclusions, loopholes and exceptions, then you've opened Pandora's Box of gaming the system, and the financial Elites will soon plow holes in the tax code large enough to drive trucks through while John Q. Citizen will be paying full pop, just like now.

The entire charade of punishing and rewarding certain behaviors to pursue some policy has to end. Any deduction, such as interest on mortgages, ends up creating perverse incentives which can and will be gamed. It's really that simple: you cannot finesse bribery or exemptions, exclusions and loopholes, because these are two sides of the same coin.

The tremendous inequality in income, wealth, power and opportunity which is distorting and destroying our nation all flow from the inequalities enabled by bribery and tax avoidance. The only way to fix the nation is to eliminate bribery (campaign contributions and lobbying) entirely, and eliminate tax avoidance entirely by eliminating all deductions, exemptions, loopholes, etc. State total income from all sources everywhere on the planet, calculate tax, done.

When you think about how tiny $14 billion is compared to the $3.8 trillion Federal budget and the $14.5 trillion U.S. economy, it makes you want to weep; how cheaply we have sold our government, and how much we suffer under the whip of those who bought it for a pittance.

 

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Thu, 06/30/2011 - 12:55 | 1415974 gdogus erectus
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"bout a hundred dollars"

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:02 | 1415996 camaro68ss
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bout a $100 hooker

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:12 | 1416043 gdogus erectus
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No, seriously - 140,000,000 workers in the US.  Multiplied by $100 ....

 

Just mail your $100 to:

TTFO (Throw The Fucks Out)

PO Box 2586

Coeur d'Alene, ID  83815

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:14 | 1416051 mayhem_korner
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Why not pay 'em in food stamps?

Let's see...45 Million times...

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:56 | 1416432 wanklord
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Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. These mules clearly fit in one of Leo Strauss'(*) categories of society: the Vulgar Many

"The vulgar many, are lovers of wealth and pleasure. They are selfish, slothful, and indolent. They can be inspired to rise above their brutish existence only by fear of impending death or catastrophe."

The sooner the US economy collapses, the better, so these brutes will finally learn NOT to live beyond their means.

 

* German Philosopher (1899-1973)

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:12 | 1416489 Conrad Murray
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former KGB agent who was trained in subversion techniques. He explains the 4 basic steps to socially engineering entire generations into thinking and behaving the way those in power want them to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:49 | 1416591 66Sexy
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I like the idea.. really, i do. But it would be much more economical to set up sniper kill teams 'til  either they learn to fear the public again, or one of "us" gets in there...

After alll.. we cook their meals, we iron their clothes, we guard them while they sleep..

The problem is not continuing bribery, it's enforcement. They think they have the enforcment in pocket to protect them and enforce the laws they pass against us. Without enforcement, it is alll just top-bottom jibberish and lip flappng. In reality, thats all it is now anyway.

What if enforcement as whole (including the police and US military) suddenly supported the constitution and the people - instead of corrupt politicians, globalist corporations, and international bankers?

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 19:39 | 1417348 chumbawamba
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Thanks for suggesting the one true viable solution: just kill the mother fuckers and be done with it.  And then go after anyone who wants to "fill the vacuum".

Turn DC into a "no go" free-fire zone.  If you so much as look outside your window, an appropriately stationed sniper will take you out.  Once DC is devoid of humanity, freedom rings.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 01:04 | 1417979 EmergentMind
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I don't think that murdering is the solution.  Politicians and bureaucrats multiply like rabbits you see, and they just love any excuse to ramp up the police-state further.  The real problem is the system that enables people to have these positions of power.  It attracts and/or creates corruption.  These same people who become power and control freaks would probably be quite decent if they were just kindergarten teachers.  Fix the environment, and behavior will follow.  Trying to fix behavior (via murder or otherwise) is only working on the symptoms and not the cause.  What kind of environment would create good people in all levels of society?  I believe the answer has to do with a system that does not allow for the accumulation of wealth/power, and the master/slave paradigm that follows.  Decentralization must be a key element, as well as the redesign or elimination of the monetary system.  I have yet to see how a monetary system can be ethical (in the long term), so perhaps doing away with it is the best idea.  Besides, we are the only species on Earth that uses money, and look how fucked up it has made us.  The "Zeitgeist Movement" is intriguing in this regard, however I am not sure that I agree with it's top-down approach.  I'm more of a bottom-up kind of guy, because all of nature has evolved in a bottom-up approach.  Anyways, my main point here is that looking at individual behavior is not what we should be focusing on.  We need to take a broader perspective and look at how the environment encourages certain types of behavior, and find ways to change the environment. 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:52 | 1416208 HungrySeagull
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Nothing at all. Just stop the Special Interest Lobbying entirely. Outlaw them outright in DC. The more quiet the Congress has the faster it can focus and get work done.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:10 | 1416246 blindfaith
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A better idea is to buy them for what they ARE worth,  and then sell them for what they THINK they are worth, and we would have enough to pay off the national debt.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 23:25 | 1417820 Joseph Jones
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Or as Warren Pollack suggested, outlaw both major parties for all national elections. 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:18 | 1416039 monkeyshine
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In Philadelphia, it's worth fifty bucks.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:24 | 1416072 ShaneAshton
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Some people laugh...others need an explanation.

I'll give y'all a hint....Dan Akroyd utters these famous words.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:36 | 1416133 A Nanny Moose
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You don't seem to know Diddley.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:45 | 1416165 Gubbmint Cheese
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But.. it tells time simultaneously in Monte Carlo, Beverly Hills, London, Paris, Rome and Gstaad!!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:47 | 1416186 Gully Foyle
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gdogus erectus

Everybody misses the underlying problem, it ain't about the money. People either control themselves or they control others. Those who need to control others are those with serious issues.

We ain't speaking about healthy mentally sound people. These are deeply flawed individuals, maybe even Sociopaths.

The money is only gravy.

Unfortunately there is no way to seperate those who crave power from the machine that delivers it to them. They slip past any test established to keep them in check. They game the system for their benefit and the publics detriment.

If you want to fix the system you need to remove people, not money.

 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:03 | 1416242 gdogus erectus
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Hence the name of my newly formed non-profit organization!  TTFO  But seriously - you are correct.  It's just that there are plenty of guys with good intentions that go into politics and find out it's a cesspool.  If you at least took the money out of the system, it would be like draining the oil out of the crankcase.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:17 | 1416300 tarsubil
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You should start in org with the acronym STFITH.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:34 | 1416818 Piranhanoia
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I used to believe that. It has to be like the draft. The person for the job is not going to want it.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 17:18 | 1416965 rosiescenario
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A+...IMHO that is just how our founding fathers looked at serving in the government...it would be more like jury duty...

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 23:08 | 1420754 I did it by Occident
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Yeah, I often think we'd be better off in a "randomocracy"  that's right, just like jury duty, people's names would be drawn out of a pool of eligible voters and they would be sent to DC for 2 years.   It couldn't be worse than what we have now  I bet. 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:12 | 1416256 JohnG
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Ummmm, what do you mean by "maybe even sociopaths?"

 

Of course they are, with a very few exceptions, the lot of them.

And bullets are much less expensive and very effective.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:33 | 1416579 JW n FL
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Amen! Preach it from the Mountain Tops!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:23 | 1416547 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: maybe even Sociopaths.

Hey,  sociopaths are the highest evolved humans.   They are the predators of the dumbasses.    If you don't thin-the-herd it dies.   That's why we need sociopaths,  so that America can be great and glorious again.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:58 | 1416907 Manthong
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Raising $5 bilion to buy back the Senate is an interesting idea.

I'd contribute if it came with a movement to repeal the 17th Ammendment as part of the deal.

You won't have a durable fix of the Senate until you do that, it will always remain for sale.

If the Senators were appointed by the states as the founders stipulated, you would have to buy all of the states to get control of the Senate and that's not doable.

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 23:16 | 1420760 I did it by Occident
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yeah, that should be done, it was the only structural check which guaranteed the 9th and 10th amendments.  After that was done away with the federal spending exploded.  Before that, it was manageable very low percentage of GDP.  Then after 1913, it explodes, what a coincidence! 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:11 | 1416497 ba dum tiss
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bout tree fiddy!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:24 | 1416533 Imminent Collapse
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Just because they have been bought by special interests for such a paltry sum doesn't mean that when you up the ante that special interests won't pony up with more money.  Competition does that, especially when the amount they are making by owning the government is so huge.  Right now buying off our elected officials is the cheapest bribe in world.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:01 | 1415994 richard in norway
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outstanding!!!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:30 | 1416118 JW n FL
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It is Time that "We the Sheepeople" Take Our Country Back! from the Lobby Whores and the Bankers!

 

They are ALL Guilty of Treason! against the United States of America! they ALL have wiped their asses with the Constitution!

 

The Lobby Whores and the Bankers NEED TO GO! We need to send a message that Americans will not forget in 100 years! So that this scum never again robs "We the Sheepeople" of their Freedom and Money!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:06 | 1416481 MFL8240
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Agree! When does this start?

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:29 | 1416552 NOTaREALmerican
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After the next election.    The new guys will be better than the current guys and clean things up.    It's totally different this time.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:32 | 1416574 JW n FL
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well another brother from another mother is found! Howdy Bro!

 

ALL of them! Them being, equaling.. Lobby Whores and Bankers are the same.. the old guy is the new guys is same as the old guy!

 

 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:02 | 1415998 mayhem_korner
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My strategy (repeated from prior):

Enable Congress to share in a one-time 10% of the net spending cuts they can achieve, with three conditions:

1) They must vote in the affirmative

2) They must resign

3) They will be afforded witness protection status.

I believe we could have the chambers cleared in 45 minutes, about $600B of spending wiped out, and a whole new slate to elect.

:D

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:05 | 1416235 Steroid
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Your suggestion seems reasonable. However, this is the US of A. First thing is the price discovery to the American model of "if you can't buy them kill them". This article was just the introduction to this conclusion.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:09 | 1416002 Cognitive Dissonance
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That's $5 billion to buy the Senate.

That's $8.7 billion to buy the House of Representatives.


Chump change. I would have thought Congress would have held out for some real money. I'm so disappointed.

However I am willing to begin collecting money from my fellow citizens to buy Congress back.....minus my 2/20 fee of course. :>)

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:27 | 1416075 hedgeless_horseman
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A tall order, perhaps, but certainly not impossible, if we're willing to spend the money to not just match special interest contributions to campaigns but steamroll them.

Sorry, but no amount of money could buy back a former Chamber of Commerce Executive from business interests...

Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX 8th District)

8th term Republican from Texas 8th District.

Previous Occupation: Chamber of Commerce Executive

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:32 | 1416110 Cognitive Dissonance
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Thanks HH,

I was wondering where I put my butt ugly bowling ball.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:49 | 1416176 hedgeless_horseman
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To his credit, my Congressman is hard working, and loyal to those that put him in office.  I believe that he does reflect and represent his constituency fairly well. 

“Every nation has the government it deserves.” 
Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821)

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:51 | 1416203 Cognitive Dissonance
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To his credit, my Congressman is hard working, and loyal to those that put him in paid for the office.  I believe that he does reflect and represent his paying constituency fairly well. 

I caught the sarcasm and wanted to add my own.

Fixed it for ya. :)

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:31 | 1416123 JW n FL
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Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX 8th District)

8th term Republican from Texas 8th District.

Previous Occupation: Chamber of Commerce Executive

*************************************************

 

Guilty of Treason! String him up!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:57 | 1416221 hedgeless_horseman
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They certainly are not hiding anything.

From its headquarters near the White House, the Chamber maintains a professional staff of hundreds of the nation’s top policy experts, lobbyists, lawyers, and communicators. Special initiatives covering energy, infrastructure, education and training, and workforce rules help drive the pro-business agenda.

 
http://www.uschamber.com/about#mission

 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:33 | 1416830 Piranhanoia
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anyone got any string?

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:54 | 1416196 Geoff-UK
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Another idiotic suggestion from CHS.  It presumes Congress would STAY bought--they would simply up their bribe number from AIG/GS/JPM/et al.

 

A better suggestion would be figuring a way to hire Mafia hit men to....but I've said too much already.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:52 | 1416210 Cognitive Dissonance
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You could probably purchase radiated Yakuza cheaper. Just a thought.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:07 | 1416004 12ToothAssassin
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Horribly flawed logic - The price will just go up with competition but corps will always have more money to throw around.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:13 | 1416029 eurusdog
Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:46 | 1416161 A Nanny Moose
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Now you are talking. Fear of the mob. Implicit, and explicit.

No more effing Praetorian Guard.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:24 | 1416069 NotApplicable
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Especially the financial corps with access to free money. I guess he doesn't understand that's how they were purchased in the first place.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:38 | 1416140 Turkey
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Right now the price is too cheap for favorable laws and regulations to hinder compitition.  The IRR on pushing a pet project or earmark is phenomenal.  I'm shocked it took this long for business to realize investing 5% of earnings in lobbying gets massive returns.  If we are trying to go full market we need to increase the cost of buying politicians.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:08 | 1416005 12ToothAssassin
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- dupe -

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:03 | 1416006 Bastiat
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That title is an Instant Classic!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:08 | 1416007 bernorange
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$100 million dollars to buy Ron Paul the presidency seems like a bargain in comparison.  Donate today before the end of the quarter reporting period:

http://ronpaul2012.com/

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:41 | 1416153 swissaustrian
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+ 5.000.000 $

That´s his goal.

Buy Liberty!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:35 | 1416835 Piranhanoia
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an existing politician?  how has that worked out so far?

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 17:57 | 1417070 bernorange
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You want politicians who won't be bought by special interests and then ignore them when they seek your support.  You get the government you deserve.

http://electronpaul2008.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/why-washington-lobbyists-dont-like-ron-paul/

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:09 | 1416012 mayhem_korner
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One more thing...

if you eliminate taxes, you eliminate the potential for tax avoidance.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:10 | 1416036 Cognitive Dissonance
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The only reason the tax code is as complicated as is it is to enable Congressional influence to make further changes in exchange for 'support'.

Call it perpetual Congressional job security. I call it a banana republic.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:28 | 1416112 Calculated_Risk
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"The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax."

Einstein

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:51 | 1416190 A Nanny Moose
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When Secy of the Treasry cannot even figure it out, using software, the tax code is entirely too complex. How many resources are misallocated to comply with phony rules from a bunch of people who, I am certain, will soon attempt to repeal gravity.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:18 | 1416216 Cognitive Dissonance
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You are assuming the (future) Sec of the Treasury was actually trying to figure it out and failed. Too much benefit of the doubt in my book.

But then again I used the dog and homework excuse a few times myself so I shouldn't throw stones.............. 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:32 | 1416559 wisefool
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I have been comming around to the idea that Timmy is actually one of us. He knows printing money is bad. He knows that jobs should be meaningful jobs, otherwise people should just relax, live within thier means, and take up a hobby. He maybe a econometrician, but I'd rather debate him than sombody with a sociology/marketing degree.

Junk me/him if you want. But when retires, and he does the typical parting shot most former fed goveners do, I will say welcome brother.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:05 | 1416015 eurusdog
Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:34 | 1416122 NotApplicable
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Here I was, all ready to reply that it wasn't an ass picture, but then I clicked on it.

Nothing but ass.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:06 | 1416017 Cthonic
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Clown shoes for K Street, lolz.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:10 | 1416018 Calculated_Risk
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How about $5 for 10' of rope. You get caught taking kick backs and you hang.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:37 | 1416137 sgt_doom
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Exactamundo, Calculated_Risk!!!

The framing of this question itself suggests endless stupidity (no offense, Charles).

I mean, it should be only worth one bullet apiece to cure a congress critter of their affliction:  hopeless criminality.

 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:21 | 1416297 Calculated_Risk
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And let's not forget, they are ALREADY getting paid by us via tax $!
And to pay them again?! Life time benefits for one term, base pay + kickbacks! Fuck them all!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:11 | 1416021 apberusdisvet
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So $2000/night hookers will now service our corruptocrats for a silver eagle?

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:12 | 1416047 mayhem_korner
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Only if they're West Point proofs.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:08 | 1416023 Innocent Bystander
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Sorry, but money ($) is just notional.  Offices of (relative) power are determined staffed b greater powers notwithstanding all democracy/elections/two party system/lobby etc. etc.

 

Money is used to maintain commerce among serfs and establish boundaries for commoners to interact and feel safe within.  A commoner would be misguided to believe that the money he holds in his hand can be used to change the system that controls him

 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:31 | 1416565 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: A commoner would be misguided to believe that the money he holds in his hand can be used to change the system that controls him

 

SO true.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:08 | 1416027 gwiss
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Interesting thought, but working from the wrong end.  The solution is to end the power.  The corruption starts with the concentration of power.  Once power is concentrated, corruption will inevitably follow.  Don't kill the flies eating the shit -- that task will never end and will never be successful -- you will run out of bug spray before the world runs out of flies.  Instead, remove the shit and the flies will leave on their own.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:29 | 1416111 Apply Force
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Agreed... I trade labor for dollars.  I will not trade dollars for corruptable politicians, dead or alive.  I'd prefer not to even trade dollars!

Our economy is determined by power structures in .gov, banks, and large corps, and until that changes I will labor for only myself and mine as best I can.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:02 | 1416694 pods
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Absolutely correct!

You cannot hope to keep a 3.8 trillion corporation in check.

Of course, it was tried once before to have a small central government with clearly defined powers.  How'd that work out for us?

This really does look at it in a dangerous way. Do not remove the power, but make that power work for the common man.  Of course, someone will always step in a determine how much "help" the common man needs.  Public campaigns?  Yay, put a gun to my head in order for there to be a circus.

I suggest everyone read (purported to be) Davey Crockett's "Not yours to give."

http://www.juntosociety.com/patriotism/inytg.html

(or just google it)

pods

 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:57 | 1416899 Aggie5
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Finally! Someone gets it. Congress and the power of government are the source of the corruption. Any business that doesn't pony up campaign cash is going to be attacked by the crooks in power. Members of Congress are the ones accepting bribes, doling out the goodies, and demanding protection money. Not much difference between Congress and the mafia. Well, the mafia probably has better cooks.

"These men (in government), in point of fact, are seldom if ever moved by anything rationally describable as public spirit; there is actually no more public spirit among them than among so many burglars or street-walkers." ~ H.L. Mencken

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 20:07 | 1417401 gwiss
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Lehman contributed the least -- allowed to fall.  You don't pay the protection, you don't get the protection.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:12 | 1416028 thadoctrizin
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OT:  I just got done reading the book Confessions Of A Economic Hitman and I enjoyed it.  Does anybody have any other non-fiction book suggestions that deal with such topics, big oil, geopolitical strategies, corporatocracy, etc.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:11 | 1416042 Innocent Bystander
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Prize

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:16 | 1416044 eurusdog
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You might like "The Lucifer Principle".

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:05 | 1416250 NotApplicable
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Brzezinski's The Grand Chessboard provides a fairly clear picture of their playbook.

Meanwhile, Guido Preparata's book, Conjuring Hitler. "How Britain and America Made the Third Reich," is a follow-the-money thriller complete with Wall St. and the Dulles brothers.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:11 | 1416713 Bob
Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:13 | 1416033 Caviar Emptor
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Those that sink were righteous. 

Those that float get lynched.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:17 | 1416035 BanjoDoug
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All admirable goals to clean up our Federal Government.   Although I know there are a few honest statesman, most are corrupt career politicians.   I think General Augusto Pinochet cleaned up his country with a one way ticket on the Pinochet Cruise Line.   I hope that doesn't happen here.....  

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:14 | 1416038 Tabarnaque
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About $16 per citizen... 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:16 | 1416045 Sudden Debt
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Why should the election costs be 50 million?

Forbid TV commercials, Forbid incentives to the people and let both parties fight it out with even recources!!

NO MORE CORPORATE FUNDING!!

ONLY 1 TAXPAYERS BUDGET! Make it 3 to 5 million depending on the number of voters per party! Let them devide these funds themselves!

 

LET THE MOST CREATIVE SENATOR WIN!! HE WHO HANDLES THE MONEY BEST!

 

And why does a senator who is in his seat for 20 to 40 years already still able to represent his people WHILE HE HAS ONLY LIVED IN WASHINGTON FOR 20 TO 40 YEARS??!!!??!!

THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR PEOPLE ANYMORE!!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:22 | 1416082 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Senators as per the Constitution are to be appointed by the state legislators allowing them to be recalled @ will if they are not representing the people of their state. But the corrupt fuckers took care of that in short order.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:33 | 1416113 fallout11
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Replace elections with televised cage matches. Winner gets the seat.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:16 | 1416046 G. Marx
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I'll donate a warm bucket of spit.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:14 | 1416052 idea_hamster
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A progressive flat tax

Wait...wut?

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:10 | 1416732 Bob
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It's a "neoliberal" term.  Funny how they fuck the language, ain't it?

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:14 | 1416053 Caviar Emptor
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Those that can lift a red hot cross stay

Those that fail the test get lynched

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:59 | 1416458 Hapte
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This. In every village green.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:22 | 1416054 Rynak
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Bleh. As interesting as the "leverage"-thing is, the proposal alone is pretty weak. It takes all kinds of things for granted, and just tries to "outlaw" bad symptoms. Quite shallow and unimaginative intellectually.

How about.... if such a thing were managed.... we start addressing the premises that even allowed things to develop to the current state?

How about, we give the population the power to veto any gov policy via direct vote. This wouldn't involve the usual issues of direct democracy (who has the time to vote on every stupid program for it to be passed), and instead would just allow the population to reject highly unpopular programs. So basically, the worst of the worst couldn't happen: When really big shit happens, the gov can no longer ignore the will of the population (lotsa examples for this nowadays).

Next up, how about we address the issue, that politicians manage the nation, but are not responsible at all for the consequences of their actions - and thus are exempted from consequences? How the hell does this stupid population believe, that voting for people managing a shitload of power and money, without having any stake in the consequences, is going to result in anything desireable? Politicians shouldn't be expected to manage a nation well, just because they're "nice people" (what a fucking braindead idea). They should be expected to manage stuff well, because the consequences of their actions also affect themselves - not by some stupid votes, but in cold hard cash.

 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:45 | 1416163 Turkey
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Dude politicians don't manage the nation.  The people who put the politicians in place manage the nation.  Politicians are a buffer, that's their job.  They just don't tell you that.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:18 | 1416055 maxcody
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Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:20 | 1416058 1100-TACTICAL-12
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How did we ever let it get this rotten and corrupt. Makes me wan't to puke when I think of what's ahead for my three young children :(

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:36 | 1416132 JW n FL
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time to put that gun to use!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:12 | 1416270 NotApplicable
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By voting for, and otherwise supporting the system that empowers criminals.

As long as there is a system of power, the criminals will capture it.

The nation states that have emerged from the Treaty of Westphaila in 1648 are responsible for killing more people than all the previous collectives combined. Over one hundred million in the last century alone.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:32 | 1416347 JW n FL
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as soon as the summer re-runs for my soap operas are here I will make sure to go out with all the other Sheepeople and start caring enough to lift a finger to fight the Largest Robbery in History! The Sheeppeople are so very upset that they are being Robbed Blind that some change will occur, when the Newly Elected Lobby Whore are in Power! more cuts in Benefits and More Tax Cuts.. but the Tax Cuts only effect the top 1%, but will be packaged as usual! to sound like they are inclusive of all!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:22 | 1416059 Seasmoke
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you only need to buy back 51%....... so $2.6 billion should do it for the Senate and $4.4 billion for the House......

 

just saved us $7 Billion ( i will take a 2% vig commission)

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:42 | 1416168 Turkey
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+1

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:45 | 1416856 Piranhanoia
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sorry, we need 2/3 and 3/4 majorities for amendments so that they can not be changed by the next set of supremes or congress gets a better offer. Bills and laws and rules and regs are not worth the paper they are printed on.  Amendments have a little better luck.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:23 | 1416065 Shameful
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Ridiculous.  The idea of out bribing the money printers is insane on it's face.  Hard to out spend a person with literally limitless funds.  And then making the insane leap of "We could bribe them and then they would pass laws to prevent bribery", yeah and "I promise I'll only stick the tip in".  I think old Mr. Smith has a better chance of dominating Kobe one on one.  Might as well make a plan that involves super heros saving us.  "All we need is Superman and the Green Lantern to stop the Central Bankers!"

Lets just hurry up and get to acceptance, there is no fixing the system as is because it's rotten to the core.  Either you live in the termite riddled house or you knock it down gut it and start over.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:24 | 1416091 centerline
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Think of it in more of a Jonathan Twist sort of way (Modest Proposal).

And not for the sake of people waking up and forming some magical, unified, fix-the-world army... rather so that folks don't forget what the hell happened to them when the TPTB through all the mechanics available to them turn people against each when the SHTF.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:50 | 1416198 Gully Foyle
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centerline

"Think of it in more of a Jonathan Twist sort of way (Modest Proposal)."

Twist? Swift.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:31 | 1416344 centerline
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Oops.  Must be some sort of "keynesian slip" on Operation Twist.  LOL.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:19 | 1416067 centerline
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At the rate things are going, being a politician may soon qualifiy as hazardous work.  I can definately see a day in the near future where many in office (or even retired from office) are forced to flee and/or find themselves in front of a strongman tribunal on charges of treason.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:16 | 1416274 MachoMan
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of course, also accused of treason would be the fiscally prudent and non-mouthbreathingconsumer classes...  don't want any reasonable opposition to the strongman...  and sure as hell don't want any righteous indignation...

nothing but bad options at this juncture.  An ounce of prevention...

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:23 | 1416068 Clay Hill
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What a twisted train of mental gymnastics designed to free the Republic from entrenched special interests, and control of our Federal Gov't. by Central Bankers.

And completely unachievable, to boot.

 

Why not complete the sale, force delivery, and then default on the whole lot of them?

Left to their own devices, that's where they'll take us anyway.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:20 | 1416070 exiledbear
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That's about $50 for every man woman and child (if you count the current population as 300 million).

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:21 | 1416078 ShaneAshton
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I'm sorry but this is the stupidest idea I've ever heard.  There is no way we can fight the banking cartel besides encourage the people of the world to take their cash out of their accounts, cash in 401k's, and eliminate direct deposit.
then and only then can the beast be starved.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:23 | 1416088 JW n FL
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fuck that! hang those fuckers on T.V., 24 hours a day 7 days a week on those useless Corporate Owned News channels! those fucking bankers will straighten up, but quick!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:57 | 1416212 Gully Foyle
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JW n FL

"fuck that! hang those fuckers on T.V., 24 hours a day 7 days a week on those useless Corporate Owned News channels! those fucking bankers will straighten up, but quick!"

Are you leading by example? You sure talk big. So what is your body count? How long you been doing Gods work? You capping them in the day like a man or sneaking at night Ninjariffically?

Everybodys balls grow fucking HUGE on the internet, don't they.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:09 | 1416259 JW n FL
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My name is James Edward Workman You fucking coward! who the fuck are you?

 

and I am doing what my fellow Sheepeople are doing! waiting for Jerry Springer re-runs to stop! so that I dont miss any of my Fav T.V. shows!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:00 | 1416443 Gully Foyle
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JW n FL

"My name is James Edward Workman"

Jimmy you know you aren't supposed to chug that liter of Pepsi and play Call of Duty, it gets you wound up then you be posting the crazy shit on the internet.

I did find your pic though.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100831221459/southpark/images/6/...

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:07 | 1416470 JW n FL
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I am in my late 30's.. yes I have a video game problem.. addiction.. and no I am not quiting! I am a highly functioning addict!

 

But my Crio! is not on TV its in the safe.. that would be part of my other addiction.. Benelli!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:15 | 1416289 topcallingtroll
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I have the biggest balls of all!

just take my word for it

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:32 | 1416106 ShaneAshton
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I don't advocate such violence....greedy baby boomers will get theirs once their retirements are destroyed.  Its just these 535 who think they are holier than thou and can get rich taking special interest money.
now encouraging the unemployed to seek revenge anyway they wish to by sacrificing themselves for the greater good.....now thats something I can get behind.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:39 | 1416144 JW n FL
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you want to send in other people to do your work?

 

you are a coward and when the ligts go out I will be lining you fucking lazy fucks up with the Pig Bankers!

 

Lazy, Spinless, Good For NOTHING! Trash!! will be taken out during the clean up! and you coward are trash!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:56 | 1416209 ShaneAshton
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I may be a coward now, but when the hit sh*ts the fan (sp) i won't be stuck with the masses searching for food.

The experiment is over...run for the hills and prepare while you still have time.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:07 | 1416254 JW n FL
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run for the "Hills" and come back after all the work is done and then profit on all the others hard fought work? You sound like a Rothchild, all you need to do is support both sides.. "O" wait! you already do! by not lifting a finger to fight the Treason but promoting the fight!

 

You and your kind will be known, America doesnt need any more wanna be Rothchilds!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:45 | 1416380 ShaneAshton
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Continue to advocate murder and see where that gets you.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:01 | 1416463 JW n FL
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advocating murder? is that what you call Prosecuting Acts of Treason?

or is that the spin you would like to put on what I have said so that I may be silenced?

given the language.. and your cowardice.. I will just bet that you would love for people like me to be silenced so that cowards like you could move up in the world.. news flash, scumbags rule the world! not real people.. so your people are already at the top.. be mad at them that you didnt get an invite.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:49 | 1416630 ShaneAshton
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you're baiting me to let loose....but i know in my heart of hearts...that their scams are about to come crashing down and in the mean time, I will continue to live my life as I see fit.

there are 7 billion of us on this plant and only a couple hundred elite bankers and policitians pulling the strings...the odds are in your favor....so do what you gotta do.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:21 | 1416079 JW n FL
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It would cost whatever a 1,000 rounds of .22 ammo costs. I am saying a 1,000 so that if we have any miss fires that we will have plenty of ammo so that none of those Lobby Whores get away. All the Lobby Whores are Guilty of Treason Against "We the Sheepeople".

 

Tax Cuts for the Rich!

 

Benefits Cuts for the Elderly and Poor!

 

Anyone without a Billion Dollar Lobby is NOTHING! Shit under the shoe of the Lobby Whores! but the sheep keep on watching the 24 hour news channels and believing that abortion is the hot button issue! while Congress and the Senate Rob the Middle Blind!

 

I understand most of you are old and just want to be able to enjoy you twilight years.. enjoy the fruits of your labors.. like the labor of ignoring the Nation being robbed Blind over the last 40 fucking years.. and thats why I LOVE the FACT that you lazy scumbag fucks will suffer most of all!

 

Change is coming.. "We the Sheepeople" have had enough of letting Corporate America Rob "U.S." Blind! 

 

All of you Hippies! All of you wanna be conservatives who took part in the Greatest Robbery in the History of Man Kind! All of you could have made changes, you could have protected your children and their children.. instead you turned a blind eye.. or! even worse you talked about it! for 40 years you have been talking about it! and shit has gotten worse.. time to shoot some fucking bankers in the face! time to hang some Lobby Whores on the White House Lawn! enough of your talking about talking while "We the Sheepeople" get Raped over and over and over again!

 

40 Years of Bankers Raping America!! and it was on your watch you lazy good for nothing old fucks!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:25 | 1416096 1100-TACTICAL-12
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I am just as pissed as JW ...

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:15 | 1416265 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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.22? Gabby Giffords survived a 9mm to the dome. Step up to .40 or .308 and get the job done the first time. 

Then again, don't use a gun at all - that just gives them more opportunities to hack away at the 2nd am. 

And explosives are so blassé. I would like to see people get creative - maybe a samurai sword or a flesh-eating virus. 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:18 | 1416301 JW n FL
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I believe in a FREE! America! where the Population gets to make the call!

 

We can have a vote! until "We the Sheepeople" can decide we can put the Lobby Whores and Bankers in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillory Pillory and let the kids (patrols) who are visiting Washington DC go and throw rotten Chinese Vegetables at them!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:12 | 1416271 JW n FL
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333 rounds per box for $115.54(? don't quote the pennies)! we need 3 boxes! maybe Cheaper than Dirt will donate 3 boxes for some air time every nite when we line those Treaonist Bankers up to prosecute them!

 

"and tonight's execution of bankers is brought to you, in part by. Cheaper than Dirt!" 

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:14 | 1416496 Hapte
Thu, 06/30/2011 - 17:33 | 1416990 JW n FL
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Groovy! where's the still? dont hold out fucker!

 

I fav'd the tune.. nice change of pace.. you and ridge runner related? or what part of the hills are you from?

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:22 | 1416081 Ace Ventura
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$14 billion? The House of Rothschild alone will stroke a check for twice that without even mustering enough effort to burp.

Buying back the gubment is a losing proposition, as even all us peasants...collectively...could not even begin to match the pockets of ONE of the 12 Vampire-Bankstah Clans, much less all of them.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:22 | 1416083 Silver Dreamer
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The whole idea of ending corporatism with pay offs is laughable.  Good luck with that!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:24 | 1416306 JW n FL
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BUT! BUT!! Ben-O-Cide and Infini-Timmy said it would work?? all hope is lost when the Federal Reserve is against us! they control the money!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:25 | 1416084 pepperspray
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And it is with my downright honesty in servitude that I am happy to be with you today-- to announce my candidacy to be your next congressman in the house of representatives of the great united states of america.  Together, we will take back this seat.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:25 | 1416095 zhandax
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Welcome to the club.  This is the same concept I have espoused for several years.  You may be interested in a couple of the corollaries;  no lawyers or bankers can hold public office; no one is allowed more than one term in public office at all levels.  And I replaced prison terms and clown suits with public hanging, codified by Constitutional amendment declaring that it is not 'cruel or unusual'.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:21 | 1416310 JW n FL
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sure.. as soon as all of the Lobby Whores and Bankers are Executed for Treason we can start doing things that way!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:53 | 1416431 Hacksaw
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How about just amending the constitution so that any office that is part of a law making body is no longer elected. Instead have a system where people to fill those offices are selected like jury duty and those selected serve a 2 year term and then are exempt from serving for another 10 years afterword. Change the voting for law making bodies and make them like a grand jury, one no vote ends the vote.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:56 | 1416445 JW n FL
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you are on too something there!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:31 | 1416105 New American Re...
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Your on the right track, but your spending too much money.   Your litmus test is a good start but you don't take it far enough to capture the hearts, minds, and imagination of America; and if you can do that the price shinks.  It's not easy, believe me I just spent a year and one half writing a book that does what your sharing here, which is on the end of a 40 + year oddessy (so I'm slow).    But I'll have the book on the street by Labour Day and you'll find the price of a take over is no more than $1 Billion, which in anybody's book is one hell of a deal.

And yes, your right, why bother trying to win the Presidency when its out of the question for now.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:32 | 1416108 honestann
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Sorry, no can do.  Once 1913 happened, your option vanished.  Remember...

The federal reserve can... and would (through zero-interest loans to banks)... generate any number of billions or trillions or quadrillions of campaign contributions to assure their predator-collaborators continued to control congress and senate.

This is why so many people quite reasonably claim the very core issue is destruction of the federal reserve, and end of fractional reserve practices, and gold as money (because quantity is limited).

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:29 | 1416323 JW n FL
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After or before we round up all the Lobby Whores and Bankers.. "We the Sheepeople" can re-instate Executive Order 11110! that the no good womanizer who did nothing for the Country and who was shot by a lone gun man while the Secret Service stood down tried to get enacted.

 

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/executiveorder11110.htm

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:12 | 1416501 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Once 1913 happened, your option vanished.

Corporations being declared people didn't help either.   

After all, we now can't keep a soulless "person" from buying all the politician "he" needs to do "Gods work", now can we?

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:28 | 1416109 carbonmutant
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Actually the real question is, "What would congress do if we took away the lobbyists?"

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:23 | 1416303 MachoMan
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I think a few sessions dedicated to taking laws off the books (none of which are there to protect/expand our freedoms) would be a good thing...  in order to pass new legislation, you'll have to take 2 off the books...  bureaucratic saturation...

If no one will represent their respective locales, then we do congressional duty, just like jury duty and randomly select people...  some may get excused for cause...  (90 years old and can't remember not to poop on themselves)...  but they would have a civic duty to do just the same...  some will be dumb...  some will be smart...  some will think they know everything there is to know about civics...  in the end, they'll probably do a better job than the present lot.  At worst, they would be just as bad...

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:05 | 1416479 NOTaREALmerican
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Another real question is:

 

When you have only a few suppliers and a few buyers (which, if I recall from Econ 101 means you have a monopoly) what OTHER system is possible other than lobbyists battling for political influence over their victims?

If people don't want lobbyists, that means you got to break up the power of the corporations.  Who's gonna do that?   

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