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Guest Post: Indiana Supreme Court Dispenses With Magna Carta, Constitution
Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man
Indiana Supreme Court dispenses with Magna Carta, Constitution
May 16, 2011
Santiago, Chile
On
June 10, 1215 AD, after prolonged rebellion and frustrating
negotiation, a group of England’s most influential barons entered London
to force the disastrous King John Softsword into accepting a
revolutionary charter of individual freedoms.
Five days later in the Runnymede meadow of Surrey County, John
affixed his royal seal onto what became known as the Magna Carta. It
still exists on the books today in England and Wales.
This document was one of the more important antecedents to the US
Constitution; its proclamations ended the absolutism of England’s
monarchy and spelled out very clear rights and freedoms, including,
among others, the right of a man to enjoy his private property without
trespass from government officials.
Over 550 years later, the framers of the Constitution codified this
right in the 4th Amendment to be secure in one’s private property. Last
week, the Indiana Supreme Court effectively rejected both documents in
two separate cases.
In the first case of Lacey v. State of Indiana, the Court ruled that
police officers serving a warrant on a private home may simply walk
right in without knocking.
The second case of Barnes v. State of Indiana is far more startling.
The case deals with one Richard Barnes, a regular Joe citizen of
Indiana, who was in the midst of marital problems with his wife one
evening in 2007. The couple was arguing when police arrived to the scene
and attempted to enter the home.
Barnes made it very clear to the officers that they were not to enter
his home. The officers did not have a warrant, and they did not have
probably cause to believe that anything illegal was happening. But they
entered regardless.
Barnes tried to block the door, and as the police officers muscled
their way past him, he shoved one of them against the wall in defense of
his property. Barnes was choked and tasered in his own home,
subsequently hospitalized, then charged with misdemeanor battery on a
police officer.
The case went to court, and the Barnes defense team cited a private
citizen’s right to resist unlawful entry into one’s home. They lost. The
case was appealed, all the way up to the Indiana Supreme Court. Here’s
where it gets interesting.
The Court agreed that the police officers entered the Barnes home
illegally. The Court further agreed that one’s right to resist illegal
entry has existed since the Magna Carta. The Court further agreed that
the US Supreme Court has reaffirmed this right to resist unlawful entry
in numerous court cases.
Seems pretty cut and dry, no?
Yet, in summarizing the court’s opinion, Justice Steven David writes,
“We hold that there is -no right- to reasonably resist unlawful entry
by police officers.”
Wait. Full stop. A citizen has no right to resist unlawful entry by
police officers on his private property? Apparently we’re all supposed
to lay down like two-toed tree sloths while these jackbooted monkeys
turn private property into yet another ‘rights free’ zone.
Americans already have to put up with dispensation of the
Constitution at airports, border checkpoints, political events, many
train station, and soon to be bus terminals and shopping malls. We’d
better add ‘private residence’ to that list as well.
The right to protect oneself and one’s property against unlawful
entry is the hallmark of any free civilization. Conversely, it is the
hallmark of a totalitarian police state when government goons have the
authority to go stomping around on private property without oversight of
a judicious, impartial court.
There is no middle ground here… and a government that is on the way
to denying this right is not far down the road from denying other basic,
seemingly no-brainer rights– like assembly, criticizing the government,
and possession of firearms.
One of the reasons I travel so much is so I don’t have to deal with
this kind of nonsense. I enjoy spending time in countries where I have
no fear of some government agent forcing his way into my home.
There are a number of such places in the world– Chile is definitely one of them.
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By all means, let's have the SC review. Then we'll know whether or not we need the military or the people to send them home once and for all, services no longer required.
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In the first case of Lacey v. State of Indiana, the Court ruled that police officers serving a warrant on a private home may simply walk right in without knocking.
The second case of Barnes v. State of Indiana is far more startling. The case deals with one Richard Barnes, a regular Joe citizen of Indiana, who was in the midst of marital problems with his wife one evening in 2007. The couple was arguing when police arrived to the scene and attempted to enter the home.
Barnes made it very clear to the officers that they were not to enter his home. The officers did not have a warrant, and they did not have probably cause to believe that anything illegal was happening. But they entered regardless."
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Are ZH readers past trading hours ignorant turd fucks?
Domestic disturbance, shouts, screams, yes, retards, that is probable cause.
Who the fuck is writing this shit?
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From the Justice's own mouth, dipshit. Not even a good try at muddying the water.
"We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," David said. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."
Listen you Nazi fuck.
You'd never have made it in Rommel's army, so get over it.
And, as always, you've got nothing.
Consistency is not a virtue if you are a fuck-up, Muir.
Hey cunt, you are the one who chose to name yourself after a Nazi rat.
Muir, you are a fucking nuisance. Even your boobs have become annoying. Get fucking lost, loser.
Hey now you 2 indoctrinated shills need to stand together and show solidarity even if you can't stand each others intellectual stench.
Just because rodent doesn't understand basic cause and effect things like when you send massive corporations to truck loads of cheap ass food to mexico it drives them all of the farms and they come north to pick the crops that then become the cheap ass food that you truck down there. He thinks there's some sort of imigration problem going on when all that happened was the farmer soldiers moved to a new base 400 clicks north northwest. Then you plant the dope in the farms they just evacuated from and surround it with military trained world class kill anybody you want to assholes.
But other people are bitching bout immigrants tooking our jobs so might as well join the stupid army.
And just because muir the tittybaby sec cunt doesn't like having an economic system so fragile that a few thousand people are able to rip it to shreads doesn't mean you two can't get along. So buttfuck each other decide who's top and who's bottom and play follow the leader.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhBRJStz7w&feature=related
It's a very good thing you have those gorgeous bouncin' tits, 'cause otherwise no one would ever pay any attention to you.
Yet, in summarizing the court’s opinion, Justice Steven David writes, “We hold that there is -no right- to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers.”
The portion I put in bold is what people are getting hot about. It's not about whether there was probable cause the enter the premises. I'm actually surprised that the police didn't successfully argue that there was probable cause to enter ... after all, you pointed out why that would make sense. But instead, the failed to make that argument, so the entry was ruled unlawful. Yet, despite this fact, Justice David seems to think that it doesn't even matter anyway. According to his summary of the court's opinion, citizens do not have the right to resist unlawful entry by police officers.
well, clearly some of you are
I still think you have the best moniker at ZH!
But you have the BEST avatar by far!
"shouts, screams"
Is this from the court transcript or were you assuming?
Honest question.
on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 21:26
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In the first case of Lacey v. State of Indiana, the Court ruled that police officers serving a warrant on a private home may simply walk right in without knocking.
The second case of Barnes v. State of Indiana is far more startling. The case deals with one Richard Barnes, a regular Joe citizen of Indiana, who was in the midst of marital problems with his wife one evening in 2007. The couple was arguing when police arrived to the scene and attempted to enter the home.
Barnes made it very clear to the officers that they were not to enter his home. The officers did not have a warrant, and they did not have probably cause to believe that anything illegal was happening. But they entered regardless."
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Cornelius T. Lacey, Sr. v. State of Indiana
state.in.us
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
May 10, 2011 ... Lacey v. State, 931 N.E.2d 378 (Ind. Ct. App. 2010). ... the Court of Appeals rejected the first argument but concluded that the officers' decision in this case to enter the residence without knocking and announcing ...
www.state.in.us/judiciary/opinions/pdf/05101101bd.pdf
In most cases domestic disturbances are CIVIL, not criminal matters. Like it or not you can yell and scream all you fucking want in your home and cops can't do a fucking thing with "enforcement." Courtesy check yes, but you haven't broken any laws.
What are the cops doing interfering with CIVIL disputes? Get a clue, and know your pig rights.
idiot...shouting does not establish probable cause.
Wow. I can't believe you folks forgot about this article:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/
America Might Be a More Gilded Cage than Egypt ... But It Still Looks Like a CageAs the New York Times' Lede wrote yesterday:
America is obviously very different from Egypt. Or is it?
Let's honestly compare and contrast the situation in the United States.
State of Emergency
The United States has been in a declared state of emergency from September 2001, to the present. Specifically, on September 11, 2001, the government declared a state of emergency. That declared state of emergency was formally put in writing on 9/14/2001:
That declared state of emergency has continued in full force and effect from 9/11 to the present. President Bush kept it in place, and President Obama has also.
For example, on September 10, 2009, President Obama issued his continuation of the declaration of national emergency:
An on September 10, 2010, President Obama declared:
The Washington Times wrote on September 18, 2001:
Is the Times correct? Well, it is clear that pre-9/11 declarations of national emergency have authorized martial law. For example, as summarized by a former fellow for the Hoover Institution and the National Science Foundation, and the recipient of numerous awards, including the Gary Schlarbaum Award for Lifetime Defense of Liberty, Thomas Szasz Award for Outstanding Contributions to the Cause of Civil Liberties, Lysander Spooner Award for Advancing the Literature of Liberty and Templeton Honor Rolls Award on Education in a Free Society:
(Most or all of the emergency powers referred to by the above-quoted 1973 Senate report were revoked in the late 1970's by 50 U.S.C. Section 1601. However, presidents have made numerous declarations of emergency since then, and the declarations made by President Bush in September 2001 are still in effect).
It is also clear that the White House has kept substantial information concerning its presidential proclamations and directives hidden from Congress. For example, according to Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy:
Continuity of Government
Continuity of Government ("COG") measures were implemented on 9/11. For example, according to the 9/11 Commission Report, at page 38:
Likewise, page 326 of the Report states:
The Washington Post notes that Vice President Richard Cheney initiated the COG plan on 9/11:
See also footnotes cited therein and this webpage.
CNN reported that - 6 months later - the plans were still in place:
Similarly, the Washington Post reported in March 2002 that "the shadow government has evolved into an indefinite precaution." The same article goes on to state:
As CBS pointed out, virtually none of the Congressional leadership knew that the COG had been implemented or was still in existence as of March 2002:
Similarly, the above-cited CNN article states:
Indeed, the White House has specifically refused to share information about Continuity of Government plans with the Homeland Security Committee of the U.S. Congress, even though that Committee has proper security clearance to hear the full details of all COG plans.
Specifically, in the summer 2007, Congressman Peter DeFazio, on the Homeland Security Committee (and so with proper security access to be briefed on COG issues), inquired about continuity of government plans, and was refused access. Indeed, DeFazio told Congress that the entire Homeland Security Committee of the U.S. Congress has been denied access to the plans by the White House (video; or here is the transcript). The Homeland Security Committee has full clearance to view all information about COG plans. DeFazio concluded: "Maybe the people who think there’s a conspiracy out there are right”.
As University of California Berkeley Professor Emeritus Peter Dale Scott warned:
Indeed, continuity of government plans are specifically defined to do the following:
See this, this and this.
Could the White House have maintained COG operations to the present day?
I don't know, but the following section from the above-cited CNN article is not very reassuring:
As is apparent from a brief review of the news, the government has, since 9/11, continuously stated that there is a terrorist threat of a nuclear device or dirty bomb. That alone infers that COG plans could, hypothetically, still be in effect, just like the state of emergency is still in effect and has never been listed.
In addition, investigative reporter Larisa Alexandrovna (lead journalist at Raw Story), writing about the 2001 Department of Justice memorandum that found that the Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic military operations, wrote:
Alexandrovna not only believes that we have been in a state of emergency since 2001 (which the White House itself has verified, see above), but that the government has been using its emergency powers -- i.e. powers justified by a state of emergency -- in spying, carrying out military actions inside the U.S. (see this), and taking other extra-Constitutional actions.
As Tim Shorrock wrote at Salon:
In 2007, President Bush issued Presidential Directive NSPD-51, which purported to change Continuity of Government plans. NSPD51 is odd because:
Much Ado About Nothing?
This may seem like much ado about nothing. But as I pointed out last September:
And see this.
So the U.S. might be a much more gilded cage than Egypt ... but it still looks like a cage.
Didn't 9/11 Change Everything?
Many have claimed that 9/11 changed everything, and Americans can no longer abide by the idealistic ideas set forth in the Constitution.
However:
WTF? A Bush hate rant? :-z
It runs deep among good Americans.
They jess sittin in the back seat waiting fer you to get the damned car out of the ditch. What's the holdup hoss?
Bush is scum and still has to pay for his crimes.
The crime of daily predator drone attacks upon a soverign nation. The crime of looting taxpayers for graft and political kickbacks. For the crime of usurping the constitution in order to build a 2000 mile alligator moat.
Miami to be the 1st City in the Country to use a Predator Drone against American Civilians! http://goo.gl/OeC1A Miami Metro Dade Police Predator Drone on Patrol & coming to a City near YOU! NEXT!
do not oppose, but ENCOURAGE the cut of police force budgets.
The crimes Larry Sinclair. The crimes of Tony Rezko. The crimes Joe Lockhart. The crimes of slow sipping on slurpees.
I hereby nominate you to carry out the sentence.
Go ahead, big talker, get the job done. Go big or go home. A lot of people will be grateful.
Not that they will bail you out or anything, but grateful none the less.
yeah, gotta distract from the man in there now - gee it's all prolly Reagans fault now that I think about it
It seems Bush Derangement Syndrome is forever.
I guess that is easier than admitting Captain Bullshit is, if anything, worse.
there HAS to be character limit on comments.. there just has to.
go fuck yourself asshole
Trying to Understand
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Perspective.
Good post.
Those Presidential Directives are something to worry about.
If/when it goes to the Supreme Court, it will be overturned.
The Lacey v. Indiana case is nothing new.
Judicial opinions in Florida, Oregon, and Virginia have declared that a magistrate lacks the authority to issue a no-knock warrant and that the determination to bypass the knock and announce procedure is to be made only by the executing officers at the time of execution. Ten states, including Indiana, have recognized judicially the validity of the practice of magistrates issuing no-knock warrants. But we find only one jurisdiction whose opinions require police to inform the issuing magistrate of the circumstances believed to justify an unannounced entry and to obtain specific advance authorization for such entry. State v. Wasson, 615 N.W.2d 316, 320 (Minn. 2000).
The police provided the following reasons to justify their forced entry without first knocking and announcing their presence: (a) co-defendant had a warrant stating he might be armed; (b) co-defendant was a felon convicted for dealing in cocaine; (c) police believed defendant and co-defendant were in the house; (d) there would probably be weapons inside; and (e) defendant had a propensity for violence. The trial court correctly denied defendant's motion to suppress, because safety concerns permitted the police to serve the warrant without knocking and announcing their presence. The no-knock execution of the warrant did not violate Ind. Code § 35-33-5-7. The police were not required to present known exigent circumstances and obtain specific judicial authorization before executing a no-knock entry.
The Barnes v. Indiana is a little troubling.
The exigent circumstances rule applies when the police do not create the exigency by engaging or threatening to engage in conduct that violates the Fourth Amendment. Pp. 5–16.
(a) The Fourth Amendment expressly imposes two requirements: All searches and seizures must be reasonable; and a warrant may not be issued unless probable cause is properly established and the scope of the authorized search is set out with particularity. Although “‘searches and seizures inside a home without a warrant are presumptively unreasonable,’” Brigham City v. Stuart, 547 U. S. 398, 403, this presumption may be overcome when “ ‘the exigencies of the situation’ make the needs of law enforcement so compelling that [a]warrantless search is objectively reasonable under the Fourth Amendment,” Mincey v. Arizona, 437 U. S. 385, 394.
I think this will be overturned by SCOTUS.
Stop for a moment and consider their "Citizens United" ruling (which really went well beyond answering the question at hand and instead "wrote" new law). When they're done with this one, we'll need papers to travel to the next county (not country).
Screw that.
Kelo is where they screwed the pooch.
And since when do Libs have a problem with SCOTUS just making shit up?
I would not count on that. Read the link up-thread about what SCOTUS just did TODAY.
it has to be overturned unless they are going to reverse a lot of longstanding jurisprudence on the matter.
The "home" under 4th Amendment jurisprudence, at least when I was in ConLaw, is virtually sacrosanct. You even have an expectation of privacy there.
However, this is a hairsplitting matter; this does not establish the cops' right to enter your home, it merely disestablishes your right to resist.
Your case cites are not on point, counselor. At bar is the question of whether a citizen subject has the right to resist unlawful entry, not the entry on its merits.
In the present case, it appears that petitioner has civil remedies at the same time as being guilty of a crime LOL.
Lots of very good 4th amendment information. I read the blog weekly. www.fourthamendment.com Spells out Circuit Court and SCOTUS cases involving 4th Amendment concerns.
I'm guessing this case will take precedent over the suit(s) being filed against Obama Care.
Just more razzle dazzle. This law is so unconstitutional it shakes the core of common sense.
Exactly what are you selling and how much does your newsletter cost, Simon?
Huh? And what exactly did you pay for this article?
Chile is pretty right wing borderline fascist. Pinochet did a good job thumping those poor people down. Be very careful with those extreme catholic countries in South America. There is always a Franco around the corner.
It's been almost 37 years since Pinochet left office.
Chile has changed immensely since then.
I gather from your ignorant post that you've probably never been to Chile, or anywhere in South America.
I have been from Vina del Mar to Puerto Mont and I can tell you with certainty that those poor people are little less than grown up children. Pinochet's legacy lingers on. They still listen to Elvis Presley on the radio for christ sake.
Do you think Tierra del Fuego is far enough? I think the drive would be nice. If I survived, of course.
I rather be in Buenos Aires. At least the women are prettier. Tierra del Fuego if you really want to get away from it all.
OMG! They listen to Elvis instead of Dr Dre or Lady Gaga? Those aweful people. The next thing you know, they'll be listening to Frank Sinatra. Oh the humanity!
If you folks here had a better understanding of "hoosiers" and Indiana, you would not be so surprised by any of this. I lived in Indiana much of my life, until I left in disgust many years ago. If there were ever a people who couldn't be bothered with the responsibilities of being free, it's hoosiers. They deserve every bit of injustice being done to them.
Better wake up and raise Hell folks. We've got the FDA shutting down an Amish farmer for selling milk. TSA sexual assault groping while they nuke you with x-rays for nude photos. Any authority now (Indiana) can bust in your home for any reason. They're stripping your rights to train you to be subservient to the tyrants. All of this crap assuming your guilty until proven otherwise. Take our rights back.
The "knock and announce" requirement is a joke. They bang the door with a fist. Yell, "police!", and batter the door down with a battering ram. Then they enter with guns drawn, force all occupants to the ground, break all of the interior doors by kicking them open, throw all the contents of drawers and closets into the middle of the rooms, walk on all the same, bring the dog through the house, and then let all of the occupants up from the floor and tell them that they are free to go about their business because the police found no evidence of illegality.
This is all in the name of making the police officers job "safe". It is safer for those officers to "shock and awe" the occupants than to announce their presence in an orderly and dignified manner.
Yea, I am pissed.
gh
They usually toss a flash grenade in there first too. Many babies,children, pets, innocent bystanders have been hurt by those.
I don't think it will make the coppers' job safe.
Quite the contrary.
When a threatened family head can't tell the difference between 'the law' and a criminal invader, s/he'll tend to shoot first and ask questions later.
I know my first focus would be disabling the threat.
Self-defence is very instinctive, especially when family (children) is involved.
WHich seems to be the actual point. Erode the common person's ability to tell what is up or down in any way. Only then can true salvation be sold without question.
Don't forget shooting the pets.
I think this blatantly terrible decision is a trial balloon . . . we're being pushed and pushed to see how much (if anything) will get the public to push back.
Now they're moving from more passive denial of rights -- like you agree to waive your right against an unreasonable search in exchange for the "privilege" of flying -- to purely erasing fundamental rights by a 3-5 judge fiat. 3-5 politicians in black robes are doing the bidding of their masters who put them in the no-work jobs.
“How ‘secure’ do our homes remain if police, armed with no warrant, can pound on doors at will and, on hearing sounds indicative of things moving, forcibly enter and search for evidence of unlawful activity?” Justice Ginsburg asked.
I'm pleased to say I completely side with Justice Ginsburg on an issue.
And she was the only dissenting opinion??? WTF is wrong with our country?
Not even a peep about this on http://www.drudgereport.com Where the hell are you Matt Drudge???
I'm not sure how Ginsburg can be so right on this issue and so delusionally wrong on so many others. It's the paradox of the Court. Each justice is a veritable CHAMPION for a certain right yet the anathema of others.
An old tale- you lose your freedoms one at a time, and without a single whimper.
Tyler, I'm starting to think this democracy thing ain't all its cracked up to be ;-)
“Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.” Plato
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy." - Alexander Fraser Tytler (?)
If only we were practicing democracy under a federal republic. In reality we have fascism maquerading as democracy.
That's why the founder made sure it wasn't a democracy.
It "Was" a Democratic Republic.
A democracy, Majority Rules.
Democratic Republic, The majority cannot over run the rights of the individual.
That's how it started out. America as a Democracy was a planned blurring of what it was.
Like naming something the "Federal" reserve bank
samsara & all others who commented,
Of course democracy is a flawed system of governance. This thread shows it and I'm not so sure Tyler isn't sittin back somewhere LHAO about it...LOL.
Did anyone bother to look into the known facts of the case?
They took the presentation of the article at face value and ran with it, each drawing their own conclusions. The facts are different from what the author portrays.
I posted it once...here it is again;
http://www.slideshare.net/IndianaBarrister/barnes-v-state-of-indiana
The cops didn't just knock on his door and barge in. They were called there by his wife.
When they got there Barnes was in the parking lot of the apartment complex where they lived. They identified him as Barnes in the parking lot. His wife was also in the parking lot and threw a bag of clothes at him and went back inside the apartment.
Barnes walked back to the open door of his apartment turned and confronted the police who were following him. Barnes wife asked Barnes to "just let them in", Barnes refused.
If she had not said that maybe I would feel the same way as everyone else, she has the same rights as he.
However, it was still rental property and I make no claim to know what Indiana law is on apartments. In Fla., if an apartment building has a hotel/motel license, the landlord or maintenance people can enter without a warrant as well, with nothing more than a courtesy knock on the door.
Everyone knows my position on the Constitution is absolute. My disdain for an overpowering monolithic government of any kind is unlimited. How the opinion was written is a travesty of mind boggling proportions only to arrive at the correct outcome in this case in my view.
But as a society if we will not take the time to gather all the facts and submit ourselves to hyperbole we are indeed completely fucked.
And this is one case in my opinion, we the people, do not want to ever have SCOTUS hear. Because that is how it is done...the degradation of everyone's rights on flawed cases.
Not exactly trying to pick a fight with you but you are wrong. All of the details you brought up I don't contest yet as I've only read the first page. BUT- the entry was ruled illegal even in the circumstances presented. You are wrong.
As I said, I don't know the law in Indiana.
But the circular logic they used to say it was an illegal entry is confounding me when you have the wife (who also lives there and in fact called them there via 911 in the first place) was saying "just let them in".
She has rights as well, even though she did not explicitly invite them in, the inference is there. She said it...it was heard...and is listed as such in the facts of the case.
Also, a private residence is different from an apartment/hotel/motel. An apartment complex is communal by its nature, meaning someone accepts a certain measure of less privacy by living there. No, I'm not saying "kick in the door less privacy", I'm saying just what I said, its open, communal. If someone walks by my door they will be confronted by me with a gun and two slobbering pit bulls...LOL...this will not happen in a apartment complex or it would be an empty apartment complex pretty soon.
On illegality, the court dove off into "public policy" instead of the law and natural common law to make the some weird leap to deny the appeal.
My thing is, they could have told him to stop walking back toward the apartment in the parking lot (a public place by anyone's standard)
They did not.
From all appearances it seems to be an error in judgement by the officers to not stop him from re-entering the apartment, now compounded by a precedent in that states law in order to keep a conviction intact, which happens all the time and is wrong.
No, I'm not trying to pick a fight either but this is not one SCOTUS should be involved with.
If Indiana is like Florida this State Supreme Court should be voted out by the citizens at the next election and replaced.
The fact is that the judges did not bother to look into the known facts. Either they should have ruled that "she allowed them in", or the defendant was just in defense. Arriving at the "correct outcome" via a wrong action is (was?) verbotten in US law.
The fact is that the judges did not bother to look into the known facts. Either they should have ruled that "she allowed them in", or the defendant was just in defense. Arriving at the "correct outcome" via a wrong action is (was?) verbotten in US law.
"The fact is that the judges did not bother to look into the known facts."
That is my view as well.
Not only that, but they judged Barnes rights as superior to his wife's for some reason when she asked Barnes to "just let them in". The cops made a split second decision that they always have to do as a course of doing their job, right or wrong.
I'll fault them for letting him go back toward his wife & the apartment but not for entering after she said that.
The court should have given greater weight to her rights/wishes than they did in my opinion.
The judges' ruling is chilling: someone might get hurt, so screw the Constitution.
Whatever-comes-after-fascism, bitchez!
I would think that this would be challenged to the Supreme court
Now given their track record of late we may not like the answer
I wasn't one to give much credence to the whole conspiracy theory of the banking cartels. Nowadays I'm convinced its real.
I think they are on a mission to strip us of everything from our wealth to our freedoms
Lisa Simpson: Ralph can't be president. He's the dumbest person on the dumbest percentile group.
Homer Simpson: A president doesn't have to be smart. All he has to do is point the army and shoot.
Lisa Simpson: But he's eight, and the Constitution says you have to be thirty-five to be president.
Bart Simpson: Lis, I'm pretty sure the Patriot Act killed the Constitution to protect our rights.
Dream on SCOTUS overturn Bitchez
Anybody yelling police, (who could very well not be police), while they bust down my door will be decapitated with 00 buckshot.
I may die, but I will die a free man.
Count on it.
And no one give me any bullshit that this is just a rant. This American (of 19th Century vintage) has had enough.
They will come in with shields, better get some slugs.
no, you better just vote republican and roll over when they show up at your door!
You won't go down alone I can tell you that much.
Now they know.
So they'll just use a drone. You'll never hear it coming.
Seriously, people, if you're going to resist.... don't tell the entire world about it beforehand. You think the NSA doesn't know who we are?
You think when the police shoot you down like a dog, unarmed, that they won't have posts like this on file to produce to the MSM and say: he was going to resist with deadly weapons! He said he would!
Jim, your assessment of making overt statements is correct.
There are several options that may help level the playing field. The web is full of good home hardening techniques that can be put in place cheaply, and without specialised knowledge. In fact some are so effective, that in Australia for example, they even passed laws against it. Luckily for the Aussies they were struck down.
Clay, links would be appreciated
Simplicty itself.
http://www.ou.edu/oupd/hardhome.htm
Searching the comments on survivalist blogs is also fertile ground. Consider not only the constuction of your front door itself, but the area to be crossed before arriving there.
Do you have a gravelled walkway to provide warning of approaching footsteps?
Is your lighting placed to shine in your visitor's eyes while you respond from a darkened foyer?
If you go to the expense of remodeling certian walls, of what ballistic and thermal use will sandbags be?
Edit
http://www.ci.canfield.oh.us/Police/Manual%20security1.pdf
http://www.penticton.ca/police/Links/documents/Homesafety.pdf
In addition to hanging exterior doors to swing outward, can you place it so that the handle butts against a perpendicular wall to prevent jimmying it open with a pry bar?
Are weld-on, pinless, or continuous hinges the right option for you?
Don't forget the windows.
http://www.weatherguardshutters.com/
http://www.hurricaneshuttersflorida.com/
And there you have it.
Come on, there's a reason why molotov cocktails are popular.
I'm sure we could mix up some particularly nasty stuff when the time for "revolution" comes. All that bullet-proof armor means nothing if you're being cooked.
ah, shit. I was trying to avoid making any overly suspicious statements...oh well, I never really flew anywhere, anyway.
Mitch Daniels appointed this police state judge. He will never get my vote if he gets the nomination.
Martin Armstrong had an excellent essay on the 4th Amendment dated May 4th, ten days before this judgement. It is titled "OBL, The Man Who Changed Our Way of Life.
this is why you can buy property in Indiana for $0.25 on the dollar and that price is declining!
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Barnes tried to block the door, and as the police officers muscled their way past him, he shoved one of them against the wall in defense of his property. Barnes was choked and tasered in his own home, subsequently hospitalized, then charged with misdemeanor battery on a police officer.
The case went to court, and the Barnes defense team cited a private citizen’s right to resist unlawful entry into one’s home. They lost. The case was appealed, all the way up to the Indiana Supreme Court. Here’s where it gets interesting.
The Court agreed that the police officers entered the Barnes home illegally. The Court further agreed that one’s right to resist illegal entry has existed since the Magna Carta. The Court further agreed that the US Supreme Court has reaffirmed this right to resist unlawful entry in numerous court cases.
Seems pretty cut and dry, no?
Yet, in summarizing the court’s opinion, Justice Steven David writes, “We hold that there is -no right- to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers.” *****
1. dont open the door, stupid!
2. if anyone kicks your door in without a warrant, the jury will let you off..
3. dont give yourself up to the guys you just banged up coming thru your door, wait for the F.B.I. to show up.
4. if the F.B.I is NOT! on their way, you are screwed!
http://goo.gl/M4bcP FBI Don’t Need No Stinking Warrants! Personal / Civil Rights are a thing of the past!
"Unfortunately, the PATRIOT Act did Not! Include Checks to PROTECT! Americans” Senator R. Durbin (IL) http://goo.gl/MfmKXhttp://goo.gl/3bto9 Use Twitter? Do you Blog? Do you Chat? YOU! are a Home Grown Terrorist(s) Per Home Land Security! See Link(s) and Official Report(s).
POLICE FATALLY SHOOT UNARMED MAN - Laying Face Down and Shot in The Back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHjhtYZpX0
the Police are Nazi's everywhere.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63FEamhpA0 A nice Lady shot in the back and face, with rubber bullets.
Police (6 - 8 officers) Kick Child in the Face after trying to run him over with a car. http://bit.ly/fT59zI
you can get maybe shot in the back while cuffed? or? go standing? its a personal choice that some will have to make.. most will never think it will happen to them, until it does!
The new rule of Law Enforcement EVERYWHERE! is if there is no camera there is no foul! and your word v. his word.. well you are fucked! truth? they dont care about the truth!
welcome to the new normal! the Heart Land has done away with anyones right to protect thier home! those farmers and thier republican elected scumbags!
they promised less government! they told the truth! less government to protect "We the People"! LMFAO!
in Florida we have the castle law.. or no retreat law.. if I feel like you are a threat and you are on my property.. I can kill you. no muss, no fuss. its the law and we are almost an open carry state as well! almost! http://www.open-carry.org/
all you fucking heart land farmers in Indiana need to vote some pro gun people in who are pro personal rights as well! hence the whole gun thingamabob!
Castle Doctrine would not apply to the police under this ruling.
This ruling establishes that you, the citizen subject, have NO right to resist even unlawful entry by police officers.
Your only recourse will be the civil courts or court of public opinion. If those do not avail you, then you have no recourse. The cops can come over any time they want.
Guns of Brixton Lyrics
Artist(Band):The Clash
When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun
When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting in death row
You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh, Guns of Brixton
The money feels good
And your life you like it well
But surely your time will come
As in heaven, as in hell
You see, he feels like Ivan
BORN under the Brixton sun
His game is called survivin'
At the end of the harder they come
You know it means no mercy
They caught him with a gun
No need for the Black Maria
Goodbye to the Brixton sun
You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh-the guns of Brixton
When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun
You can crush us
You can bruise us
And even shoot us
But oh- the guns of Brixton
Shot down on the pavement
Waiting in death row
His game was survivin'
As in heaven as in hell
You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh, the guns of Brixton
Oh, the guns of Brixton
Oh, the guns of Brixton
Oh, the guns of Brixton
Oh, the guns of Brixton
It's time judges understood that upholding the Constitution as written is mandatory, with no deviation...Failure to uphold their oaths is a very very very very very serious offense.
Treason works for me?
who has got a rope? and who wants to take a road trip to Indiana! since no ones preacher up there is going to allow anyone to defend thier rights as Americans!
anyone?
Bueller???
Bueller?????
Bueller???????
The guy who resisted the cops is a motherfuckin' hero and his whole neighbourhood should throw him a party.
I believe this is why we wrote a Constitution...so that we wouldn't have to worry about whatever this dipshit Justice David's opinion was. Remember, we are the ones who ultimately decide what is Constitutional or not, right? If you can read, you know what is and is not Constitutional. If you leave it up to a bunch of judges who get paid by the govt to decide for you, what do you really expect?
If enough people resist, they'll stop. If people don't, they won't. Pretty simple really.
the reason the flood gate of non-english speaking.. 3rd world people were allowed in.. was so the majority of voters would not have a reasonable say..
do you get the math of it all now?
the majority rules and in the next 5 years the majority will not speak english as a 1st language!
welcome to corporate land of the cowards!
Dominique Strauss-Kahn Associated Press video: http://tradewithdave.com/?p=6390
Dave Harrison
www.tradewithdave.com
...R.I.P USA...I am so sorry to say that you are (and have been for some time) a total fascist state
Cornpone Nazis.
Unfortunately, yeah.
sounds like not too many of you [us] like living in a Police State. It'll be alot easier to handle if you remember this: the Government, along with it's minions [the States] are the largest terrorist organization in the world. They talk about us......it's actually THEM. They've begun all these wars to promote their NWO scam, and they're destroying the world's financial system to advance this plan also. These f**king Gestapo Pigs are assholes....
My strategy so far comes to this:
- education of loved ones (persistent word of mouth and refusing to be shamed or silenced)
- self-education - learning to THINK and ASSESS VALUE completely away from government-scrip numbers
- refusal to co-operate trustfully with them, stonewalling/lying whenever possible, refusing to support 'the troops' or 'the police', refusing to sign up for anything I can refuse
- stealth - hiding whatever real wealth I have, gradually divesting ourselves of all their records and fiat and taxable transactions - getting the ID, licence, passport, credit cards (in case 'papers' are demanded) and then NEVER using them - even our sole bank account has nearly zero in it, except for laundering a paycheque and a couple monthly bills
- contributing to a 'black market' economy wherever possible - organising this with people I trust - slowly trying to collect a few 'contacts' for specific items only
- not drawing attention - we have stopped any international travel
- wearing the disguise of a good subservient cowed sheeple whenever there's any chance of the enemy government looking my way
Well these are sort of the way I've been trying to learn to live.
I don't trust that the police, the government, any agency or any corporate including my employer, is on my side.
Sometimes I feel like a double agent.
Capt. Nately: You talk like a madman.
Old man in whorehouse: But I live like a sane one. I was a fascist when Mussolini was on top. Now that he has been deposed, I am anti-fascist. When the Germans were here, I was fanatically pro-German. Now I'm fanatically pro-American. You'll find no more loyal partisan in all of Italy than myself.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
Capt. Nately: How do you know?
Old man in whorehouse: Because I am 107-years-old. How old are you?
Capt. Nately: I'll be 20 in January.
Old man in whorehouse: If you live.
- Catch 22
Thank you thank you. I have been trying to find that dialogue.
The most succinct nugget of the whole book/movie. It made a big impression on me when I heard/watched it.
Another point, In the whole movie, the people who at first you thought were crazy turned out to be the only ones with sense. The one's you thought Seemed normal turned out to be crazy.
The guy who kept crashing his plane and everyone thought was nuts and didn't want to fly with, Was really practicing. At the end of the book he flew to a neutral country and sat out the war. REALLY the Sane one after all.
Thanks again.
- wearing the disguise of a good subservient cowed sheeple whenever there's any chance of the enemy government looking my way
What I learned as the chinese revolution.
"Obey the the Emperor only when the emperor is watching"
When they turn their backs, drop your broom and walk away...
As Dylan said, "To live outside the law you must be honest"
That is, Honest with yourself, and move as many of your transactions outside "The System".
You got it man. It's gonna get worse before it gets better.
Fare thee well...
Thanks, you too.
"When they turn their backs, drop your broom and walk away."
I love that. Gonna steal it.
No, you are not a double agent. Welcome to the resistance.
One day we'll be yelling " Wolverines" against our LEO.
Oh, please.
Remind me when "property rights" [which is what you're quoting, not Magna Carta, which was about Barons vrs Deified power, and censuses to determine whose "subjects/cattle" where whose to tax] were ever greater than "individual rights" in America.
Newsflash: (and PLEASE stop quoting Magna Carta - try 1642, the ENGLISH CIVIL WAR WHERE WE EXECUTED A KING AND INSTITUTED THE FIRST REPUBLIC IN EUROPE FOR 1,000 YEARS): Property > People is a function of hierarchical power structures. Back on track, name me a time within the American Republic when Public rights > Property rights.
Newsflash: Never.[Hint: Founding fathers owned slaves. QED you muppets]
Do some damn research, on protestors getting shot, environmental 'activists. Please insert irony here: mostly it takes a 5 year FBI sting @ multi-million $$ + x3 paid police infiltrators to ever get the "radical" greens to actually do anything, and when they do.. zero impact. At best, 10 SUV's [insured] get torched, and the perp gets 25-35 in jail. No, really. In the UK, there was an undercover policeman for SEVEN YEARS full time, plus all the trappings of over-time to make sure he was "safe from the aggressive bongs" to do.. actually. Nothing. They did like one protest [peacefully] on a power station, because the police man instigated it and drove them there.
Btw: if you want scary, then you really should actually engage your brains. School of the Americas has trained a couple of generations in effective insurgency, and god forbid we forget this silly fantasy about "RADICAL GREEN HIPPIES" [lol.. wut? Not even "useful idiots"] and remember: The USA has trained circa 43% of globally market engaged trained assassins, hit men and "for hire" individuals, not counting private limited companies such as Xe.
Ye Gods. QQ.
The USA has trained circa 43% of globally market engaged trained assassins, hit men and "for hire" individuals, not counting private limited companies such as Xe.
Sources, please.
To all posters! The Multi Paragraph responses are, just pre planed Garbage. ( No one can type that fast!) This is a trading site. You English Charter (Whimps) Magna Carta? Susie Pussies!
Let every Man (who will) proclaim loudly, "Give me Liberty or give me Death", so that the usurpers of Liberty will be given pause, seeing the daunting task before them.
Make them aware that it will not be easy. For they very well know that not all will proclaim such an oath, and those that do have to be just the tip of the iceberg.
Let the spooks and goons who would neuter Liberty mark me for death. I would consider it an honor.
Better to end well than to whimper out.
In some context the civil war was a mistake. The country would be better off as three or maybe even four or five seperate countries. All these tree sloth idiots in Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Arkansas and so on could be one country where only 65% of the population has indoor plumbing. Yeah we're #1! The NorthEast could be it's own country, The plain states another the IntermountainWest could be Mormon-land or ville, or berg or New Zion or whatever those idiot roundheads wanted to call it and California, Oregon, Washington, and maybe Idaho could be the Left Coast. Then what the people in Indiana do would be comical. As it is it's worrisome. Those Nazi so and sos can't even find a State Supreme Court justice with a lick of sense. Because it's the police doing it - it's not illegal??? Any legal code worthy of the name restricts the enforcers of the law as well as its subjects. There are some things you simply cannot do. Unless of course you live in Indiana.
The Civil war was England's saving grace!
"Americans already have to put up with dispensation of the Constitution at airports, border checkpoints, political events, many train station, and soon to be bus terminals and shopping malls. We’d better add ‘private residence’ to that list as well."
and that is precisely the point.....having accepted the airport bullshit, there is no basis for resisting entrance into the home...this the bankster-plutocrat utopia where the gestapo police state is now official. and of course the bohemian grove judge made the obscene ruling just to infuriate people and give citizens the finger....
i pray a curse upon that evil judge and a curse upon his family.
yes, at least one cop reads ZeroHedge.
I also own physical gold and silver and a couple of copies of the constitution.
not all cops are jackbooted morons although I understand the feeling.
be careful of your prejudices. they are YOUR blindspots to the reality surrounding
you and do not serve your best interests.
omg, if i need a calculator to do the math problem at the bottom does that make me a borg?
so the truth comes out! piggie is a lover of the constitution! well the FBI will track you down and have your badge taken away post haste! how dare you go against the father land!
dont you wanna be first in line for the government hand outs when the economy rolls over dead from being drown in paper money?
wait, dont answer any of these.. they are watching... no really!
heres the language from the Homeland Office.. their words not mine buddy!
http://goo.gl/3bto9 Use Twitter? Do you Blog? Do you Chat? YOU! are a Home Grown Terrorist(s) Per Home Land Security! See Link(s) and Official Report(s).
Great, nice avatar. Keep in mind there are a few retards posting here. A salt shaker might be needed.
+1
The Supreme Court...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-police-w...
Starve the beast, it lives on FRN's.
buy nothing that you can not live without,
Gasoline you must have,groceries can be bought at roadside stands and form local farmers,
Boycott Wallmart and the mall, support black economy people.
Starve the beast, deny taxes whenever possible,
Contradict, deny and delay all desires of the criminal government.
Pay your bills late and douche your credit rating,
Starve Treason.
Utah has been doing this stuf too. The people of Indiana need to revolt and arm themselves with the constitution. If I had to live in indiana and was under threat of a home invasion by the police... I'd have my property setup tactically. In fact, maybe make a business out of helping people defend thier home from unwarranted intrusion. Even if it was a mistake that they broke in there. The government has no place invading your property without a warrant. Hell maybe a lawyer can make a business there fighting for people who have been unjustly invaded.
Indiana... in the case of DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, if police are sent to respond to a call about a violent home situation - even a POTENTIALLY violent situation - they are COMPELLED to prevent or stop violence that may harm (or kill) a victim, even behind closed doors of a home or apartment... with or without a warrant for entry.
Obviously, if dispatcher gets a call of domestic violence in progress, the police are NOT going to have time to obtain a search warrant!
Not to say that the cops (did or) did not use excessive force in this particular case, but you have to know, cops despise Domestic Violence calls - jealous & enraged spouses can be a deadly threat... and, having arrived at such a scene, the situation if far from over, just because the (potential) perpetrator walks from public space into his own private home.
(Same with roads & highways: if cops suspect that you are driving while impaired, you would pose a threat to others, your privacy rights go flying out the window, and the cops are COMPELLED to make an arrest to protect the public.)
did you just flush?
my, don't you have a potty mouth!
I'm a big fan of ZH, but it you & ZH think cops have to stand outside a door, as they hear domestic violence taking place inside, because they don't have a "signed warrant" to enter... well, you're both flushing your credibility down the commode...
This new power given to cops will be expanded further. All for protecting the public.
listen, clueless people like you need to STFU about the law.
At NO POINT in this case did the police argue that the entry was legal or justified by exigent circumstances. They stipulated that they had no probable cause.
The central question was whether the petitioner had the right to resist the ILLEGAL entry. The Court decided that he did not.
Criticizing the government is so blasé. Now kindly pull down your pants for your 'enhanced patdown' sir. You're Al Qaeda until proven innocent.
...ZH is populated with intelligent, engaged citizenry...but verbal expression of anger and indignation wont change a thing. An event though is close to horizon ... some event to provide spark to the tinderbox of societal fucked-offness.
And then?
Well then, to quote Gandalf on the walls of Minas Tirith facing the evil multitudinous hordes of Sauron on the battlefield below: "at last we come to it; the great battle of our time".
They say everything changed on 9/11. Unfortunately it did. That's when the hacks really started doing a fuckover on liberty. It continues today, regardless of who is in charge. Come on America, you can be something to really admire for the rest of the world. What the hell happened?
It looks like we attempted to trade freedom for security and lost both.
Dadburn founding fathers warned us about that kinda shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F_pY47hE5U&feature=player_embedded ...and so the prophetic last generation goes bat shit crazy over the New World Order lawless rule, it's corruption, deception, propaganda, ...begets violence, so, the suicide final solution takes hold of the weak murderous hosts whom offer no mercy as law.
What a world of contempt we are in. Standing fast and doing no harm takes guts and brains, two things lacking among all the nations. The governments are bat shit crazy. The religions are 501c3 and eye for an eye blind. The people are lukewarm, insane, clueless, debt slaves, poisoned and pissed off. If you can find a normal person they are saying stuff like this http://wn.com/Food_security,_local_farms_and_FEMA
...as they witness stuff like this happen all over the planet at an epic record rate http://www.standeyo.com/NEWS/11_Food_Water/110516.nat.diz-crop.impact.html
http://lucaswhitefieldhixson.com/united-states-nuclear-power-plants-threatened-spillway-flooding ....and as in the days of Noah, keep right on trucking down the same black hole. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9SKxL9CnW0
I havn't read all of the comments here so I don't know if this has been posted. It seems to me the only place a citizen can make a difference any more is in the jury booth. I will no longer convict my fellow citizens of laws with which I do not agree. They would never have gotten a guilty verdict from me if I would have been on one of those first juries. If we nullify enough laws they will eventually stop prosecuting. Also never forget that judges are government employees too.
Well, Red Beckman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNHcKnjrSNE offers some of the same sound advice but, the people are not sound and the Judges over rule the Jury and prevent evidence etc... The physical paper chase now is a moot point, the government proved they will take your physical at will, in the name of the ''public trust they broke'' to secure the criminal status QEternity, their ''moral hazard'', at the expense of ''The Truth, liberty, freedom, independence and justice for all''. The Constitution is just food for domestic and foriegn enemies in power, they consume it and claim dominion, then wash their hands before the people as Pilot setting free The Great Wal Mart of China shopper http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Psva5Z1qTw on Black Friday with blood on their hands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVQKiqCZ9No
its the bad guys you got to worry about not the cops
Law Enforcement Officers and Soldiers have no call other than a false claim of dominion at this point, which is defended by their use of lethal force. The country is broke, the ''moral hazard'' now presides as law. That has already been established and proven, the numbers do not lie, the criminals are in power and their defenders are out of order. It's time for the people to ''self police'', that's all they can afford now, as a result of their own failure and criminal neglect. We do not have a Republic under Law/Constitution, we have persons under the global new world order claim of dominion, democracy ''change''/fascism.
If you agree to remain in service to the ''change'' upon this generation, you are in contempt of life, liberty, freedom, independence and justice for all. You are a socialist bastard under the strong delusion of short term gains that demand the destruction of liberty freedom and life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHoone_x5rY&feature=related
dup
Cops were the guys problem in Indiana.
And now you know why liberal-activist judges do the dirty work for liberal-activist special interest groups; because they can't steal American Freedom via democratic elections, they have to do it through the courts. They can't make any headway by getting their communist politicians elected so they put them in the more benign judgeships to which they rise through the ranks and create new legislation via the courts, ie the ninth circus court which is consistently overturned by the US Supreme court time and time again.
Rock beats paper.
Why should livestock have any right to any thing?
So shut up, slaves.
Why R U so surprised? Oh, I know....because traders dedicate their entire freaking lives playing the guessing game on the market casinos and think they are productive and in-tune! What a waste of a life second guessing these motherfuckers that enriched themselves on your petty actions, greed and ignorance.
Here's my recommendation to you. stop trading. stop playing THEIR game. Maybe something will change. AND
READ THE "INVISIBLE CONTRACTS" by Mercier.
BTW - where are the "silver bitchez" fools? Trader blogs are the perfect example of how corruption, deception and fraud have been incorporated into the lives of many, while most think its their bread and butter.
Enjoy the police when they show up at YOUR door. Probably a wrong address but it is the way it is, so suck it up.
END the police state!
RON PAUL ftw 2012.
well living in Indiana, and since this "supreme court" ruling....is obviously counter to the Constitution...can "fraud upon the court" be declared====> further questioning the oath taken by the states members of the "BAR assn", and ban any/all "BAR" member activities in the state? plus hold them to inquiry for RICO, as a whole, and each individual "BAR" member for conspiring, add in the "educators & financiers" of these "BAR" members. Could this "fraud upon the court" be used as grounds to revert law in IN back to the "Supreme Law", aka, "Constitutional Law"....we need to rid the US of the "BAR"......ASAP....its destroying our nation. The BAR IS NOT "practicing" law as written "By the People"....Shit if the "BAR" wants to address the "Constitution" as an "open document" ......i demand all state and federal employees sign it! since they take an oath to protect it..i see no reason they can't sign onto it as well.
UP GO THE BEAR TRAP SIGNS IN THE LAWN!!!
civil recourse my ass.....i have yet to find 1 member of the "BAR" willing to speak the truth, THE WHOLE TRUTH before a court....not even the IN state's AG is willing....
http://www.wsbt.com/news/sbt-state-waited-too-long-to-sue-madison-center...
This story is soooooooo close to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc-XrrpGu60
yet no willing member of the "BAR" has the testicular fortitude to bring forth the evidence.
this whole thing is obvious collusion.....
makes me wanna puke daily........
just a relevant link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers
Simple solution. Secure your house properly. Don't depend on the police to protect you or your rights. Don't depend on phony security systems that call the police. Take responsibility, do the research, do the work. Houses used to keep more than just the weather out.
Abandon (almost) all hope. They aren't even pretending that we have freedoms now. It has been moving towards this at an accelerated rate since 9/11. I am from the UK and the same process has taken place here over the last 10 years.
but...
"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." right?
The only hope now is that the elite aren't competent enough to cement and maintain a full police-state.
We'll see soon enough.
Wow...this seems to me to be an incredible situation for a homeowner to do a "set up" and then get a HUGE payday from the city/state. Have someone call in "screaming and yelling" at your home....refuse entry when they arrive...get into a big scuffle and of course fall and hurt your neck/back....have your wife/significant other come around the corner with a camcorder...get it all on tape(of course theres nothing going on at all except you were watching a movie)...and call your Attorney !!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, asshole. Maybe you can get some cash to make up for a family member being injured or killed. Great plan. And you're brain has been in a coma for how long?