Guest Post: Interpreting The Silver Move Yesterday

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Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:08 | 715955 umop episdn
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Buy physical silver, and keep it out of bankster hands. The banksters don't have lots of silver, but they do have lots of gold. Therefore, buy what they don't have, and take delivery. Silver, female dogz! Arrrrooooooo!

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:22 | 715998 flacon
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Maybe we should be ordering from the bullion banks themselves instead of ordering from KITCO/APMEX/GOLDMONEY.COM. We need to get the silver away from the banks. 


I know it's not much, but I've already left ScotiaBank 1000oz poorer. 

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:28 | 716037 SheepDog-One
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Sure sounds like sound logic to me!

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 11:32 | 716299 MarketTruth
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You forgot perhaps the best gold and silver dealer of all:


Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:23 | 716017 jus_lite_reading
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You better buy SILVER AND GOLD NOW before the war begins-- BREAKING NEWS about the missile launch: Reports circulating it was a Tomahawk BGM109, in retailation to Chinese moves.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:29 | 716041 ArgentDawn
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Sorcha Faal is not a credible source. That is who is originating this "reports circulating around the Kremlin today.."

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:45 | 716089 jus_lite_reading
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Correct. A year ago I stumbled upon that hokus pokus site after clicking on a link about the "Financial Meltdown". If true, then that "news" has no merit. The subject line in my email caught my attention... should have done some DD on the real source!

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:31 | 716051 SheepDog-One
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Could have been what was launched, but it could never make it anywhere near China with a range of 1,500 miles.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:27 | 716036 unky
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Keep ownership illegal?

That may happen in the U.S. but I m sure lots of people got physical PMs outside the U.S.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 12:26 | 716574 espirit
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Uh, that's just a pewter 4 ought chain I'm wearing.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 12:11 | 716506 Hearst
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First post here and had to start with that.  Nice to meet you all.  The move yesterday by the CME was an act of desperation.  JPM & HSBC were undoubtedly bleeding because of their nefarious short positions.  Silver in hand is still selling for $30 per oz.  These crooks are being called out and I believe something big is on the horizon. 

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 12:32 | 716605's picture

Welcome, bitch. Bitch in the singular precludes the use of the cool "z." Damn.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 12:29 | 716591's picture

The banksters don't have lots of silver, but they do have lots of gold. Therefore, buy what they don't have,


There's 3 times more gold held in the form of jewelry than is held by the central banks. Cash for gold exists because the bankers are buying what you have and what they want more of. As for silver, carry on...

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 14:26 | 717017 Millivanilli
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Elizabeth, EAT SHIT.

This game is MUCH BIGGER THAN JPM NOW.  The whole FUCKING SYSTEM IS ABOUT READY TO MELT.  China has decreased silver exports by 60 percent over last year.  These fuckers are losing control, starting with the FED.   The government will never confiscate DICK.   We are a heavily armed nation and about the only thing they'll get is SHOT. 

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:10 | 715964 notadouche
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Well am I a fool to believe this weakness is a buying opportunity?

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 11:26 | 716272 mark mchugh
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No way.  But honestly, it's probably not correct to call what happened yesterday "weakness."

The theoretical, day-to-day paper price of silver is noise in the long run.  The stuff is relatively scarce and very useful, so it has intrinsic value (arguably moreso than gold).  The paper money it gets quoted in, not so much.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 12:35 | 716615's picture

The stuff is relatively scarce and very useful

Much like Ron Paul's integrity and courage.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 13:07 | 716753 mark mchugh
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Examples of integrity and courage from RP are very scarce indeed, but would be very useful.

Example: For as much as St. Ron whines about "auditing the Fed,"  he might be interested to know that the Fed has a government appointed, inspector general who is supposed to "conduct independent and objective audits, inspections, evaluations, investigations, and other reviews related to programs and operations of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (Board)."

The person charged with the task of auditing the Fed, Elizabeth Coleman can be seen here, in what appears to be a tranquilized fog, not even understanding the questions she's supposed to answer:

Now, you'd think Doctor Paul would be all over this incompetant, cross-addicted stooge like white on rice, wouldn't you?  Calling for her immediate removal, so that we could get a real auditor (maybe one of his Paultards) in there ASAP, right?

Maybe you can point me to a link where RP calls for Coleman's firing, cause I can't find it.  That to me would actually be an example of "integrity and courage."

Until you can find that link, I think it's pretty safe to assume Ron doesn't have any hair on his nuts.



Wed, 11/10/2010 - 14:41 | 717077's picture

Until you can find that link, I think it's pretty safe to assume Ron doesn't have any hair on his nuts.


Right. Because you have the master plan and any one who approaches things differently or takes his fight to what he considers to be more important venues is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Please plan my menu for the rest of the month. I realize that you hold the key to everything and I wouldn't want to have my eggs over easy when you and you alone know that they must be scrambled.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 15:25 | 717287 mark mchugh
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I'm just curious, are you cool with Elizabeth Coleman and the job she's (not) doing?

No one in their right mind is.  Your boy has been (supposedly) championing this crusade his whole life, yet he won't speak up about this?  Why?  Cause he doesn't think the Fed is constitutional, so he doesn't have to speak up against corruption and incompetant oversight?  That's his fucking job and he's too much of a pussy to do it.

But he'll make it all better when he's president....

Dream on, dude


Wed, 11/10/2010 - 14:38 | 717065 Ludwig Van
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I'm still trying to figure out how the Fat Boys dumped Comex silver after the close out into the Globex.


Wed, 11/10/2010 - 11:48 | 716389 hbjork1
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The country isn't going to shut down, inflation or not.  Companies that are making usable quality product will continue to make money whether it is precious metal based or not. 

I agree that it may be a buying opportunity but am waiting for things to get at least slightly oversold.


Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:12 | 715965 Quinvarius
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Physical delivery of non paper assets is what the world is flocking to.  No way will they stop a rush to physical with a paper game.  The whole idea of leaving paper is why people are going to PMs.  All they did was put silver on sale for 12 hours and make the problem worse.  They need to back off and let silver stabilize at a higher price rather than encouraging more paper shorts come in and load it up with rocket fuel.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:10 | 715967 Stuck on Zero
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All true except for a few factors:  1) The prices of precious metals are being set in markets in Mumbai, Hong Kong and other places just as much as New York and London these days, 2) eBay will tell you what real spot prices are (that's where real metal changes hands), and 3) investors must think long-term e.g. buy and outlast the powerful shorts.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 11:10 | 716173 RockyRacoon
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Selling prices for Silver Eagles on eBay running well over $30 each, with many being over $33.   'Nuff said.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:11 | 715969 unwashedmass
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ah, but, those of us who have bullion....and paid for it in cash......

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:59 | 716134 Dr. Richard Head
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I had some encouraging news this morning.  One of the top sales reps in our company, who has listened to what I was saying two and a half years ago and has noticed what has come to be, just informed me that she bought her first couple of pounds of physical silver.  The unwashed masses are starting to see the seeds, that many of us planted years ago, starting to sprout.  They fear missing the harvest and are starting to act. 

This was the best news I have heard in a long time. Does anyone know the percentage of the US population that holds physical?

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 11:20 | 716220 RockyRacoon
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All of 'em ain't telling -- so any number would be spurious.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 11:33 | 716308 Dr. Richard Head
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You are very wise for a racoon.  Very wise.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 17:19 | 717684 RockyRacoon
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No.  Just spurious.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 15:15 | 717229 Clycntct
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For starters put a number on the % of peeps that can't afford anything.

That will get you closer to what % can.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:12 | 715973 MGA_1
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Hmm.... I think this kind of stuff just slows the bull market down, but seems to me it's still quite intact.  It's possible that a galloping silver price might be more than just JPM.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:12 | 715976 Bearster
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Is this what passes for analysis??

While I have no doubt that regulations are for the benefit of rich, politically-connected incumbents, that didn't change yesterday.

What did is the price of silver. And gold. As stocks. And the Euro, the pound, the CHF, copper, and practically everything else under the sun. All at the same time.

I don't think one can ignore all of the rest. I don't think what happened yesterday has its explanation in the silver market.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:13 | 715978 rsi1
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Simple, if the price goes up, it makes perfect sense to increase margins, since the contract remains 5k oz, so the risk is higher, because the notional is bigger. If you buy something on margin, and they asked for 20% margin initially, and every day they pay you any P&L you make, and the price goes up, if you always have to post 20% margin, your margin will of course be higher every time.. and the opposite if things go against you.. I think its just logical. and margins are still relatively low.

What is interesting was the reaction and the timing, a lot of people were scared and as soon as there was a catalyst, stops went on flying..

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:14 | 715979 London Dude Trader
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That's bullshit, the CME always varies margin requirements on any futures contract when there is a significant change in market conditions. $6.5K margin for an SI contract is probably still too low, as yesterday's move would have easily exceeded the margin itself.  

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:13 | 715982 unum mountaineer
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Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:14 | 715984 Charley
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QE is a weapon against non-dollar denominated assets. You are being herded lemming-like into other currencies to bid them up. This will force those currencies to squeeze their population to wring out more tribute for the empire. If you run into metals, you are defeating the purpose of the thing.

You are troops being deployed in a currency war, but you want to be home safe in bed. Not happening. Not until China capitulates.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 16:19 | 717482 Cathartes Aura
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QE is a weapon against non-dollar denominated assets. You are being herded lemming-like into other currencies to bid them up. This will force those currencies to squeeze their population to wring out more tribute for the empire. If you run into metals, you are defeating the purpose of the thing.

worth repeating. thank you.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:16 | 715988 TradingJoe
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Best way to protect yourself, DO NOT TRADE ON MARGIN! I do have a margin account but I use margin very seldom and close out fast, no chance for the pigmen to get me! Not looking to make a killing, rather little by little beat them at their own game! Soon it will be over anyways, markets are setting up for a huge drop, between Nov 15 and Dec 15 it will all be "said and done"! POMO/QE2 or not, this is DONE!

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 12:15 | 716525 SilverIsKing
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Please expand upon the November 15th date.  What happens on or after November 15th and why?  Thanks.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:17 | 715990 NOTW777
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"There are good people with good intentions out there trying to keep the markets level and fair, but the money determines the rules now in a significant way."

really? who?

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:21 | 716007 SheepDog-One
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I dont know...and whose business is it anyway to be fairness monitor for silver purchasers? What, shorts weren't getting a fair shake somehow?

FUNNY how the market playground monitors only see a fairness problem when the SHORTS suddenly are getting creamed!

If theyre worried about fair trading go to the FED and shut down the manipulation masters at the source. Hypocrites everywhere.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:18 | 715992 Steak
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Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:25 | 716024 CD
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Thanks, Steak. Firin' it on up.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:18 | 715993 SheepDog-One
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I guess the secret was buying silver at $9 and putting it in your own safe, NEVER allow banksters or traders access to your money or trades. Worse than Barbary Coast pirates.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:19 | 715999 JonNadler
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I have it on good authority that silver will colapse to 3.58 by tomorrow.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:35 | 716063 Womb Service
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Jon, you ignorant slut.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 11:21 | 716228 JonNadler
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hey hey, a bit more respect here, after all am a senior ANALyst

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 10:53 | 716115 TheDriver
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Love the new avatar, Jon. I feel like I've seen it before somewhere.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 11:06 | 716156 Al Huxley
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Thanks for the heads-up Jon.  And here I thought you were only a gold analyst.

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