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Guest Post: Investment Legends - “Dollar Collapse Inevitable”

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Submitted by Jeff Clark of Casey Research

What will happen to the U.S. economy and the dollar in the near
term? Will inflation increase dramatically? What is the outlook for
gold, and where should you put your money? BIG GOLD
asked a world-class panel of economists, authors, and investment
advisors what they expect for the future. Caution: strong opinions
ahead...

Jim Rogers is a self-made billionaire, author of the best-sellers Adventure Capitalist and  Investment Biker,
and a sought-after financial commentator. He was a co-founder of the
Quantum Fund, a successful hedge fund, and creator of the Rogers
International Commodities Index (RICI).

Bill Bonner is
the president and founder of Agora, Inc., a worldwide publisher of
financial advice and opinions. He is also the author of the
Internet-based Daily Reckoning and a regular columnist in MoneyWeek magazine.

Peter Schiff is CEO of Euro Pacific Precious Metals (www.europacmetals.com) and host of the daily radio show The Peter Schiff Show (www.schiffradio.com). He is the author of the economic parable How an Economy Grows and Why It Crashes and the recent financial bestseller The Little Book of Bull Moves: Updated and Expanded. He’s a frequent guest on CNBC, Fox Business, and is quoted often in print media.

Jeffrey Christian is managing director of CPM Group (www.cpmgroup.com)
and a prominent analyst on precious metals and commodities markets. CPM
Group produces comprehensive yearbooks on gold, silver, and platinum
group metals, and provides a wide range of consulting services. Jeffrey
publishedCommodities Rising, an investors’ guide to commodities, in 2006.

Walter J. "John" Williams,
private consulting economist and “economic whistleblower,” has been
working with Fortune 500 companies for 30 years. His newsletter Shadow Government Statistics (shadowstats.com) provides in-depth analysis of the government’s “creative” economic reporting practices.

Steve Henningsen
is chief investment strategist and partner at The Wealth Conservancy in
Boulder, CO, assisting clients interested in wealth preservation.
Current assets under management exceed $200 million.

Frank Trotter is
an executive vice president of EverBank and a founding partner of
EverBank.com, a national branchless bank that was acquired by the
current EverBank in 2002. He received an M.B.A. from Washington
University and has over 30 years experience in the banking industry.

Dr. Krassimir Petrov
is an Austrian economist and holds a Ph.D. in economics from Ohio State
University. He was assistant professor in economics at the American
University in Bulgaria, then an associate professor in finance at Prince
Sultan University in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. He is currently an associate
professor at Ahlia University in Manama, Bahrain. He’s been a
contributing editor for Agora Financial and Casey Research.

Bob Hoye is chief financial strategist of Institutional Advisors and writes Pivotal Events, a weekly market overview. His articles have been published by Barron’s, Financial Post, Financial Times, and National Post.

 

BIG
GOLD: A lot of economists, including the government, believe the worst
is behind us economically. Do you agree? If not, what should we be on
the lookout for in 2011?

Jim Rogers: It
is better for those getting all the government largesse, but the overall
situation is worse. More currency turmoil. State and local problems,
plus pension problems.

Bill Bonner: None of the
problems that caused the crises in Europe and America have been
resolved. They have been delayed and expanded by more debt and more
money printing and will lead to more and worse crises. Deleveraging
takes time. 2011 will, most likely, be a transition year... not unlike
2010. But the risk is that one of these latent crises will become an
active crisis.

Peter Schiff: To me, it's like
watching someone walk into the same sliding glass door again and again.
Wall Street must know by now that large infusions of liquidity from the
Fed spur present consumption at the expense of investment for the
future. We are an indebted family going out for an expensive meal to
celebrate getting approved for a new credit card. It might feel good (at
the time), but we're still simply delaying the inevitable.

Jeffrey Christian:
We believe the worst is behind us economically, in the short term. The
recession ended in late 2009, and 2010 saw U.S. economic growth in line
with what CPM had expected, but higher than the more pessimistic
consensus had been. In 2011 we expect continued expansion. We think some
economists and observers are too enthusiastic about economic prospects
right now.

For the U.S. in 2011, we are looking for real GDP of
2.5% - 2.8%, inflation to remain low, and for the economy to avoid
deflation. Interest rates are expected to start rising, perhaps
significantly in the second half of 2011. The dollar is expected to be
volatile, rising somewhat against the euro but continuing to weaken
against the Canadian and Australian dollars, the rupee, yuan, rand, and
other currencies.

European sovereign debt issues will continue to
plague financial markets, but market reactions will be less severe than
they were regarding Greece in April 2010.

John Williams: An
intensifying economic downturn – what formally will be viewed as the
second dip of a double-dip depression – already has started to unfold.
The problem with the economy remains structural, where household income
is not growing fast enough to beat inflation, and where debt expansion –
encouraged for many years by the Fed as a way to get around the
economic growth problems inherent from a lack of income growth –
generally is not available, as a result of the systemic solvency crisis.
Accordingly, individual consumers, who account for more than 70% GDP,
do not have the ability, and increasingly lack the willingness, to fuel
the needed growth in consumption on which the U.S. economy is so
dependent.

Steve Henningsen: The governments
worldwide (I don’t pay much attention to economists) want us to believe
that the worst is behind us because the financial system is built upon
the foundation of trust and confidence. Both of these were battered
badly when it was shown that much of the world’s prosperity over the
past few decades was simply a mirage that, once dispersed, left behind
only debt with no means of future production. Now they want us to
believe that they fixed the problem via more debt. 

What I will be
watching for this year is sovereign and U.S. municipal debt corpses
floating to the surface sometime in the months ahead. 

Frank Trotter: Right
now I have a somewhat dark but not dismal outlook. I think that over
2011, we will continue to experience a Jimmy Carter-style malaise that
combines continuing high unemployment, tentative business investment,
rising prices, low housing numbers when looked at on an absolute basis,
and creeping interest rates.

As a very large mortgage servicer, we
are not seeing significant improvements in payment patterns that would
indicate the worst is fully behind us, and with mortgage rates moving
upward, we see less ability for current mortgage holders to refinance
and reduce payments.

Krassimir Petrov: No, the
worst is yet to come. No structural changes have been made, no problems
have been fixed. Printing money, a.k.a. Quantitative Easing, is a quick
fix that has postponed the problem, yet also made it a lot worse. I
would say that we are still in the early stages of the crisis and have
another 4-8 years to go.

Bob Hoye: The worst of the post-bubble economic adversity is not behind us.

 

BG:
Price inflation is creeping up, but the enormous amount of money
printing hasn't really hit the system yet. Does that happen in 2011,
further down the road, or not at all?

Jim Rogers: It is happening. The U.S. and CNBC lie about it. Most other countries do not lie and acknowledge it is worsening.

Bill Bonner: Most
likely, substantial consumer price inflation will not show up in
2011. The explosion of money printing is being contained by the bomb
squad of deleveraging. That will probably continue in 2011. But not
forever.

Peter Schiff: 2010 was the year that
China began cutting back its Treasury purchases in favor of gold, hard
assets, and emerging market currencies. The Fed has stepped in as a
major purchaser of Treasuries. This represents a new phase on the path
to dollar collapse, and it will manifest in 2011 in the form of more
"unexplainable" inflation – as we are now seeing in the prices of
everything from corn to gasoline.

Jeffrey Christian:
We are now beginning to see some increases in monetary aggregates,
suggesting that some of the monetary accommodations are beginning to
filter into the economy. We expect this trend to accelerate over the
course of 2011. This will bring some increase in inflation, but we
expect the major manifestation will be through higher U.S. Treasury
interest rates as the Fed and Treasury seek to sell bonds to sterilize
the inflationary implications of the monetary easing and to finance
ongoing massive federal deficits.

John Williams: The
problems of the money creation will become increasingly obvious in
exchange-rate weakness of the U.S. dollar. Related upside pricing
pressure already is being seen on dollar-denominated commodities such as
oil. There is high risk of consumer prices rising rapidly before
year-end 2011, setting the stage for a hyperinflation. The outside date
for the onset of a U.S. hyperinflation is 2014.

Steve Henningsen: My
guess is further down the road, as the deleveraging cycle continues
with deflationary-housing winds in our face and the banks still hoarding
money like my 9-year-old daughter stockpiles American Girl doll
paraphernalia. I still expect inflation to continue in areas such as
energy, bread, circuses, and whatever else provides sustenance to the
Romans – I mean people.

Frank Trotter: Most
research has shown that over time the increase in money supply is not a
short-term economic stimulus, but rather has a moderate effect in the
18- to 36-month range. In addition, this theory contends that a growth
in the monetary base – which is what has happened so far – only
increases economic activity when accompanied by a decent multiplier;
this is not occurring. The real risk is that with rising rates and
continued soft economy, the Fed will feel obliged to continue to QE3,
QE4, and so on, all of which may have a significant inflationary impact.

I am more concerned about general price inflation here in the U.S. and the potential it has to reduce global growth.

Krassimir Petrov:
This is a tough one. I would have thought that price inflation would
have been raging by now, but this is obviously not the case. I have the
feeling that 2011 will be a repeat of early 2008, with commodity prices
(CRB) making new all-time highs. A falling dollar will trigger a rush
into commodities as a hedge against inflation. I am really tempted to
make a totally outrageous forecast that oil could make a run for $200 as
QE3 unleashes another dollar scare, or maybe even a dollar crisis.

Bob Hoye: Massive "printing" has been widely publicized and is "in the market."

 

BG:
The U.S. dollar ended 2010 about where it started; does it resume its
downtrend in 2011, or are fears about its demise overblown?

Jim Rogers: No, but further down the road.

Bill Bonner: No opinion. But there is more risk in the dollar than potential reward. 

Peter Schiff: It's
hard to pinpoint exactly when the dollar will collapse, but it will
take a miracle to avoid that outcome in the near term. It really depends
on when the creditors of the United States realize that they are not
going to get their principal returned to them in real terms, but rather
in grossly devalued dollars. We have already seen the average duration
of U.S. Treasury debt drop below that of Greece. No one wants to buy a
30-year bond with negative real interest rates as far as the eye can
see.

Jeffrey Christian: We expect the dollar to
be volatile against most currencies in 2011, but that its demise has
been prematurely predicted. The dollar may move sideways to slightly
higher against the euro, yen, and pound, while continuing to deteriorate
against the Canadian and Australian dollars, the rupee, yuan, rand, and
other emerging economy currencies.

John Williams: There
remains high risk of a dollar selling panic unfolding in the year
ahead, as the U.S. economy tanks anew, as the Fed continuously expands
its easing, and as dollar holders dump the U.S. currency and
dollar-denominated paper assets. Such would be a precursor to the
inflation problem.

Steve Henningsen: Similar to
my thoughts last year, I still believe the dollar is headed down
long-term, but it could bounce around over the next year. If sovereign
debts become a problem again, like I think they will later this year,
then everyone will go running back to “Mother Dollar” once again for one
last hug before she lies back down on her sickbed.

Frank Trotter: As
the economy waffles and the global investing community's attention is
drawn from one crisis to the next, I expect the U.S. dollar to bounce up
and down in the current range. After that, however, my analysis
suggests that measured by the key factors of fiscal and monetary policy,
combined with a significant trade deficit, the U.S. does not look as
good as our major trading partners, and I thus expect the dollar to
decline, perhaps significantly, in the intermediate term. Big
geopolitical events may accelerate this or create a flight to U.S.
dollar quality, so hold on to your hats.

Krassimir Petrov:
I think the dollar resumes lower. I expect QE3 and QE4 – a
dollar-printing fest that will eventually sink the dollar. Sure, all
fiat currencies are in deep trouble and prone to overprinting, but the
reserve status of the dollar actually makes it more vulnerable now.
Whether the dollar sinks against other currencies is a fool's game not
worth playing. It is like being in the hospital, where all patients are
suffering from cancer, and trying to guess who will feel best at the end
of next year, or trying to guess who will succumb first. That's why it
is so much safer to play the dollar against gold.

Bob Hoye: Fears
of the dollar's demise have been widely discussed and are "in the
market." The dollar, itself, will not be repudiated – just the mavens
that have been "managing" it.

 

BG: Gold has risen
10 years in a row, so some are calling it a bubble, yet it's roughly
$1,000 below its inflation-adjusted high. What's your outlook for the
metal in 2011?

Jim Rogers: It is hardly a “bubble” when very few own it still. Who knows? Overdue for a correction, but who knows?

Bill Bonner: The
smart money is in gold. It will stay in gold until the bull market that
began 10 years ago finally reaches its peak. It is extremely unlikely
that the top will come in 2011; it's probably years in the future. In
the meantime, gold is bound to have a losing year or two. Don't worry
about it. Buy gold. Be happy.

Peter Schiff: The
funny thing about a bubble is that when it's real, no one can see it.
The same commentators who were blind to the tech bubble, the housing
bubble, and now the Treasury bubble are quick to call gold a bubble. The
truth is that many of them have a personal aversion to gold because
they directly benefit from our fiat money system. Goldman Sachs was paid
100 cents on the dollar in the AIG bailout, which never would have
happened in a gold-based system. It's a lot easier to print a billion
paper dollars than dig up a million ounces of gold.

Gold will
continue to climb in 2011 as the currency war continues and investors
continue to seek stability. Unless there is a major sea change in the
way the U.S. does business, I think the gold trade is a safe one.

Jeffrey Christian:
A price of $1,550 is possible, although given the enormous investor
buying pressure, prices could spike to almost anywhere. After that, we
expect prices to fall back, initially to around $1,340 or $1,380. We
expect gold prices to stay above $1,280 or so for most of 2011, and to
average around $1,369 for the full year.

John Williams: As
the U.S. dollar increasingly is debased, and where gold tends to
preserve the purchasing power of the dollars invested in it, the upside
to gold in the year ahead is open-ended, restricted only by any limits
to the massive downside potential for the U.S. dollar. Any intermittent
gold price volatility, extreme or otherwise, will be short-lived. There
is no bubble – only increasing weakness in the U.S. dollar – with the
gold price fundamentally headed much higher in the years ahead.

Steve Henningsen: I
believe gold will once again prove the bubble-boys wrong and end the
year positive (I have no idea by how much and don’t really care).
However, I think this year will be more volatile and that Gold Bugs
better remain seated on the precious metals express or they might get
squished.

Frank Trotter: I still think that with
price inflation on the rise and big political events occurring, there
may be room to continue to rise. If stock markets take off, then there
will be a reduction in appreciation or even a significant decline, but
based on the factors I mentioned above, I don't see that as highly
likely.

Krassimir Petrov: Gold still has
outstanding fundamentals. I believe that over the course of 2010, the
fundamentals have strengthened significantly: (1) "No Exit [Strategy]
for Ben" as he unleashed QE2, and will likely unleash QE3, QE4, etc.,
(2) no more central bank selling of gold, (3) more central banks become
buyers of gold, and (4) trial balloons for a global gold-backed
currency.

I have no idea how people could even claim that gold is
in a bubble – barely 1 out of 100 people have any idea about investing
in gold. During the real estate bubble, every second person was involved
in it. Maria "Money Honey" Bartiromo has yet to report from the COMEX
gold pits; gold fund managers and analysts have yet to obtain rock-star
status; and glamorous models are not yet dating the gold guys. Who is
the Henry Blodget [co-host of Tech Ticker] of the gold sector, do we have one yet?

Yes, gold will eventually become a bubble, but that feels 5-8 years away.

Bob Hoye: In 2011, gold's real price will resume its uptrend.

 

BG: What's your best investment advice for 2011?

Jim Rogers: Buy the rmb [renminbi, the Chinese currency].

Bill Bonner: We
are in a period much like the period following WWI, in which the great
debts and losses of the war had to be reckoned with. It is an era of
great risk. The U.S. faces many of the same challenges faced by Germany
and England after WWI. Like England, it has huge debts. It is a waning
imperial power. And it has the world's reserve currency. And like
Germany, it is attempting to fix its problems by printing more money.
This is not a good time to be long either U.S. stocks or U.S. bonds. 

Peter Schiff: Don't
be suckered into the idea that recovery is just around the corner. The
current climate is like living in a hurricane or earthquake zone; it's
important to stay vigilant because you never know when disaster will
strike. Physical gold is the financial equivalent of a flashlight,
first-aid kit, and store of canned goods. It's a basic way to protect
yourself from any eventuality. From there, if you're looking for
returns, there are plenty of foreign markets with strong fundamentals,
as well as commodities that feed those markets. 

Investing in the U.S. is now driven largely by force of habit. It's a habit you should resolve to break.

Jeffrey Christian:Do
not invest based on what you believe, but on what you know. Gold is a
market, like other markets. It rises and falls. You probably want to
stay long gold on a long-term basis, but may want to cull the weaker
gold assets from your portfolio in the first quarter, and put some
hedges in place to protect a long-term core long gold position against
the potential of significant price weakness over the next two years or
so. Such a period of weakness would be an excellent time to add to one’s
gold assets.

John Williams: As an economist, I
look for the U.S. dollar ultimately to lose virtually all of its current
purchasing power. Accordingly, for those living in a U.S.
dollar-denominated world, it would make sense to move to preserve wealth
and assets over the long-term. Physical gold is a primary hedge (as is
silver). Holding some stronger currencies outside the U.S. dollar, as
well as having some assets outside the United States, also may make
sense.

Steve Henningsen: Dramamine (for volatile
markets), a stash of cash (for potential investment opportunities), and
move some of your assets offshore if you haven’t already.

Frank Trotter: My
advice is first to look at the other side of your balance sheet – the
liability and risk equation – before seeking out absolute gains. What
are your goals, what resources do you already have to meet those goals,
and what events (health, income stream, upheavals) might impact these
risks? Place some assets to hedge these risks directly, then look to
diversify globally into markets with higher growth potential than we see
here at home, and that may balance your global purchasing power risk.
Almost like a religion, we have had the phrase "Stocks are the only
legitimate hedge against inflation" beaten into our heads. I say, look
at assets that define inflation like commodities and currencies and
evaluate where these fit into your risk portfolio.

Krassimir Petrov:
Last year I recommended silver, and I would stick to silver again,
despite the phenomenal run in 2010. Then it gets tricky. I usually don't
recommend diversification, but now I would again recommend a broad
portfolio of commodities. Investing in 2011 should be easy: stay out of
real estate, out of bonds, out of fiat currencies, and out of stocks;
stay fully invested in commodities, overweight gold and silver.

What
to watch in 2011: stay focused on the sovereign debt crisis and bond
yields. Spiking yields will trigger the next stage of the crisis.

Bob Hoye: Once past the early part of 2011, the best returns are likely to be obtained from the junior gold exploration sector.

[These
world-class experts are right to bank on gold and silver – because the
U.S. dollar keeps losing more and more of its value. Watch this eye-opening video on how China and Russia are plotting to dump the dollar… why you should be worried… and what to do about it.]

 

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Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:04 | 1094454 Troll Magnet
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fuck the usa. the american government has become increasingly predatory toward its own citizens and is ruled by a bunch of zionist jews who have always ruined every nation they laid their hands on. i wasn't anti-semitic (whatever the fuck that means) but the last ten years have drastically turned me against them.

consider asia. i'm in korea right now and if it were up to me, i'd never go back to america. much lower tax rates, better healthcare systems, very low crimes, no chance in hell of ever getting shot by some asshole cops or random nutjobs as guns are illegal, more job opportunities and the government that actually fears its citizens. just the other day i saw a taxi driver cussing out a couple of cops who pulled him over and eventually just drove away. in the u.s., that SOB would've been shot 17 times. all in all, i feel more free here than i have ever felt in the "land of the free."

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:56 | 1091834 hugovanderbubble
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Guys...

Follow USD/CHF

Reversal to 1 target

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:37 | 1095055 vh070
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Isn't that like trying to park a fleet of jumbos on a three-cow meadow?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:59 | 1091835 lamont cranston
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I remember in the mid-70s one of my MBA professors recommended buying farmland, planting pecan trees on it and leasing the land to a cattle rancher. Cash flow from pecans, the lease plus land appreciation long term.

Wonder what the return on that is compared to the S&P over the last 35 years?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:17 | 1092701 Herman Strandsc...
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'I remember in the mid-70s one of my MBA professors recommended buying farmland, planting pecan trees on it and leasing the land to a cattle rancher. Cash flow from pecans, the lease plus land appreciation long term'.

Last I heard from the professor he decided to keep it afterall. It turned out that Christmas pine trees were more easy to grow.

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:58 | 1091839 onlooker
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I bought gold and silver 10-12 years ago when the smart guys said it was dumb. Now I hear the smart guys say it is a good buy. That makes me think I need to watch these markets closely and when everyone touts them---sell.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:26 | 1092025 Long-John-Silver
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What would you sell your gold and silver for?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:33 | 1092075 hedgeless_horseman
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Only land or cattle.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:40 | 1092107 Long-John-Silver
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You can't really own land due to eminent domain and property tax laws.

The EPA and FDA can deem your cattle hazardous and take them without compensating you.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:21 | 1093939 trav7777
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Watch Hud.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:54 | 1092179 pasttense
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"What would you sell your gold and silver for?"

Wine, women and song!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:58 | 1091841 AmazingLarry
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Liars. Everything's fine. Gold's in a bubble. Buy stocks, spend more, don't save. 

{takes another gigantic hit of acid}

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:01 | 1091849 Threeggg
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Kind of encompasses everything we are dealing with here !!

Don't it ??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuKYBb9wPDs

Look at that %ucker "GLOW" !!

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:39 | 1092109 Amish Hacker
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I assume the Fed was responsible for putting the brick on the gas pedal.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:13 | 1092288 blindman
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curly,

 this video was just getting interesting when they

ended it, right before the qe3 phase transition.  sheesh. 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:02 | 1091862 lynn
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uk is not that much of a shit hole, life is what you make it, we on't have earthquakes, sunamis and it's a green and pleasant land and we don't see many americans heres that's got to be a big plus

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:57 | 1092108 Calmyourself
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MN is a green and pleasant land also no quakes or tsunamis only the occasional tornado but you know their coming in most cases.  Biggest plus is the lack of snaggle tooth Brits laying about on the dole puking out mince meat pies and bitching about the muzzies..  Stay in your not much of a shithole and shut your trap..

 

Oh Lookie, two CHAV junks already.. piss off

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:04 | 1093033 DosZap
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Glad to know you feel just like I do about the UK.

Bunch of pompous asses.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:05 | 1091886 zaknick
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We don't need no water let the motherfucker die,

Die motherfucker

DIE!!!!!!

I see martial law in your future!!

Yay!!

But but but the empire??? Our empire! Oh no!

Ahhhh to see such evil befall the evil is truly heartwarming!

Now, let us observe how their satraps worlwide are literally picked off one by one.....

FREEDOM bitches!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:08 | 1091904 farragut
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A coupla questions:

1. if I move assets into Canada (for example), what's the likelihood the US "annexes" (for their protection, of course) our good friends to the North if the sh!t really gets bad?

2. Suppose QE3 is a stealth effort? Politically, it's a non-starter. BUT, couldn't the Fed just pump money into the PDs without telling anyone?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:16 | 1092564 JohnG
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1) Damn good reason to go to the CHF instead, among others, such as moving there.

2) Yes.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:06 | 1093042 DosZap
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Ta Ta, they won't let you become a citizen,(unless you are a LOADED SOB) their smart.

Not like UK/France, and the US.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:42 | 1095088 vh070
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You mean move half your assets to Canada and half to the
Canadian tax man? The answer to question one is pretty
close to nil but a bit higher the other way around.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:13 | 1091927 Misean
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I would have held a more Hoyle like positiong, with politics trumping any serious QE3 and a gradual debt implosion with the banksters getting bailed along the way and continued slow middle class destruction. Japan has given Bernutty carte blanche to print an ocean of new money. I doubt this is going to be pretty, when factoring the loss of Japanese production into the mix.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:18 | 1091973 SilverRhino
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BG: What's your best investment advice for 2011?

Jim Rogers: Buy the rmb [renminbi, the Chinese currency].

Fucking idiot.

Silver through 2012.  If you must diversify go long rice and wheat this spring before China, Indochina and Japan ALL figure out that they have to import like mofos to keep the proles from revolting.

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:20 | 1091987 camoes
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Thirty seven m'fers!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:21 | 1091995 Sofa King
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How about we ask the experts, "What happens if the Fed decides to raise rates?" with the stipulation that their answer has to be something other than, "they can't or won't do that".

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:09 | 1093054 DosZap
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Then, I suggest tonight WE DINE IN HELL!!(sorry no spurt,but they have NO choice, NONE).

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:23 | 1092004 apberusdisvet
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@equity_momo:

 

Probably east coast Florida; no state income taxes; housing cheap, rents OK but rising; good prices on veggies grown locally; year round growing season if you want to grow your own; and finally, great weather.  You can actually live without a big expense for heat and a/c.  My average electric bill is $80/month for 1800 sg ft.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:34 | 1092080 equity_momo
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This is somewhere i have never considered and i shall now look into it. Thanks for the heads up.

Hope im not derailing this topic but i think most here believe a  dollar collapse is likely in their lives - if not after a painful bout of deflation it will be via even more painful hyperinflation. 

I think its about time we moved on from discussing the value and lifespan of fiat and started discussing communities and quality of life. The dollar is dead , we all know it , and the old "american dream" is dead with it.

So whats the new dream?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:43 | 1092122 Amish Hacker
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Portland, Oregon.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:45 | 1092137 Lndmvr
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Learn diesel and live in the midwest. Everything runs on it and needs attention after a winter in the barn/field. Cheap housing too. Winters suck tho.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:46 | 1092969 Blano
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I'd encourage you to consider parts of the South, as I'm gonna move there somewhere from Detroit.  Charleston, South Carolina is nice.  Last month spent a week on/around the Gulf Coast of Alabama.....loved it.  That's my top choice so far.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:25 | 1092011 Verstehen
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The US is doomed and can never recover. The fundamentals are so bad it hurts digging them out. It was funny as long as it lasted.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:46 | 1092146 RossInvestor
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Why are Doug Casey & crew trying to rehabilitate the lying criminal Jeff Christian???

Christian is a complete buffoon and corrupt tool of the banksters as evidenced by his own CFTC testimony.  He has been completely torn to shreds and ridiculed by GATA, Max Keiser, etc.

Boycott Jeff Clarke and Doug Casey for giving that criminal any ounce of respectability.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:49 | 1092150 Leo Kolivakis
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The usual suspects, like listening to a broken record. The USD won't collapse! Keep buying them dips!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:49 | 1092152 baby_BLYTHE
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I am 100% certain that the dollar will collapse before I turn 25.

My generation will be the first in Third World America.

By the way I see things amongst my peers, from a broad perspective...

WE ARE DOOMED!

America is 100% removed from every great principel that gave us a Constitution and a free society.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:11 | 1092533 falak pema
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don't be such a chicken clucking like a wet hen at your age...Take your clothes off and go for a swim naked..Make love to an alligator...eat parsley and garlic snails and drink red wine...then take a cold shower after a hot sauna...that's living...makes me hungry just thinking of it.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:19 | 1092570 disabledvet
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me three! or is two?  or four?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 22:27 | 1093275 Tail Dogging The Wag
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@baby

The US dollar already collapsed. It has lost 98% of its value since the Fed was created in 1913. Maybe you are referring to the collapse of American society. I think it has collapsed as well. This summer will be very interesting. I predict food riots across several states before autumn 2011. You seem to be a curious person. I would like to suggest a good read: Thomas Jefferson by R.B Bernstein.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:56 | 1092214 Critical Path
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Does anyone give two shits what Jeff Christian says?  The guy has got to be out of his fucking mind.  Inflation to remain low?  Pass the hopium Jeff...... you tool

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:58 | 1092215 the grateful un...
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The American Empire will finally reach full flower, some consider it an extension of the European empire, (Spain, France, England, [Germany], all were manifestations. The political cause will move back and forth between Socialism and Fascism, depending on what the empire's enemies provide in the way of resistance, and how much demagougery the hawks can drum up. But it will be an isolationist empire, not overeaching, more influence than force. The real victims will be those who believe in the social and cultural value of globalism, the American left. Prosperity will be less important than security, that includes volatility, in markets, including the dollar. The American naysayers, those who made money and then tried to take that money out of the country, will find no love, and no security outside the walls, they will come crawling back, not always welcome either. (see Jim Rogers, et al) Militarily the entier world be a US no-fly zone, but rather than rebuild our foreign problems we will simply bomb them and bulldoze the ruins, (if they are lucky and we like them, otherwise we just bomb them and leave). It won't be particularily enlightened, but inside fortress America you may feel like Norman Rockwell meets Big Brother, but there will be many places were nobody cares, and you can do as you please.

Finally when all hell breaks loose no one will want your gold, (as a symbol of rich greedy American imperialism, except the Federal Reserve) But you will be able to live without working, albiet a much simpler lifestyle. Politics will be on automatic pilot. One party rule. If you want to fight in the revolution you will have to go outside the walls, and take your chances, which will be poor and none. The American Empire is dead, long live the Empire.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:25 | 1092914 gmrpeabody
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Does this mean that you won't be going to Disneyland with 'I Think I Need' and his wife?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:59 | 1092230 youngandhealthy
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Where can I buy a Mars bar with gold?....gold is no better than paper money especially now with ETFs and futures monetizing gold

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:28 | 1092372 Republican Lackey
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A contrarian would read that interview and immediately short commodities.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:25 | 1092584 JohnG
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From me.  How many would you like?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:00 | 1092234 thanks for all ...
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Where does John Galt live?   It might be more fun.  So long and ....

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:13 | 1093070 DosZap
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Where does John Galt live?

 

Speaking of Galt, there is a 3 part walk in MOVIE being made, and soon to be released called ATLAS SHRUGGED.

Too bad it wasn't out 3 yrs ago.Hear it follows the book damned close.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:14 | 1092296 I need more cowbell
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For those who continually say Q3 might become politically unsavory, please. Basic math:

- the dems and pubs big argument is whether to cut 6B or 60B from a multi-trillion/year budget, lol.

- Budget-tax income ( outgo versus income )= trillion+ deficit EVERY YEAR as far as the eye can see

- deficit has to be made up from either a. huge budget cuts b. tax all income, 100% ( and still not enough ) or c. combination of a and b; or d.  QE, money printing, whatever nom de plume you like

- a,b, and c are non-starters due to our idiotic electorate and their fearless political heroes. QE to infinity; not really the house of cards does implode somewhere at the end of extend and pretend; when that is is unknowable. Everything else is just kabuki

-

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:20 | 1092332 youngandhealthy
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Suck the Chinese and Japanese dry first...If we fall all should fall

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:24 | 1094064 hound dog vigilante
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Did you sleep through the last election cycle?  New rules, dude... the days of incumbent/lobbyist domination are over. 

 

Poltards that vote to raise the debt limit are toast. Book it. 2012 will be another massacre for 'establishment' shills. Like it or not, the Tea Party is fast becoming the third party that everyone has been clamoring for.

Forget the old rules and axioms... US politics as we knew it is disintegrating in front of our eyes.

 

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:14 | 1092302 QEsucks
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west coast florida. beautiful. spanish is still second language I think. doesn't feel like southern NY- apologies to east coast florida. Panhandle has more gun-toting crazies(of which I'm fond)-you specified.
Finally to hedge your bets, marry a Canadian. She can get you over the border. Even if she is US citizen, Canada recognizes her and kids as Canadian and she can boost you over the border if need arises.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:17 | 1093076 DosZap
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 Panhandle has more gun-toting crazies(of which I'm fond)-you specified.

That's because it is the most CONSERVATIVE part of the state.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:44 | 1094380 edotabin
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ahhh the redneck riviera :-)

Not my term.  It is really called that.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:25 | 1092368 Republican Lackey
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Contrarian analysis of the above panel says SELL gold and commodities.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:39 | 1092420 primalplasma
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So with the money from my paycheck can I go to a currency exchange place in Times Square and buy the renminbi? How do I get a hold of those bills?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:20 | 1092569 youngandhealthy
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Of course you can not...and Jim Rogers is a wanker..Rnmb is not convertible. Thats the problem.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:51 | 1092642 gwar5
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He lives in Singapore, and in whole other world inhabited by billionaires.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:24 | 1092580 JohnG
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You CAN buy RMB at the airport (Thomas...something)  somthimes buy a small amount of wherever I'm goings currency, but a forex account would be better.

Just make sure you know what you are doing (paper trade for a little while, and read, read, read) or you'll lose your ass.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:02 | 1093001 ziggy59
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not sure if there is a branch of the Bank of china (BOC) near you..i think there are 2 in NYC. 

http://www.boc.cn/sourcedb/whpj/enindex.html

 

locations:

http://www.boc.cn/en/aboutboc/ab6/200812/t20081216_494260.html

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:07 | 1092521 Debtless
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So there you have it folks.

A big thanks to our panel - and remember...buy Apple.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:21 | 1092577 youngandhealthy
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you mean buy an apple...keeps the doctor away

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 22:31 | 1093291 Tail Dogging The Wag
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better yet, grow your own apples.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:15 | 1092656 ebworthen
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"Frank Trotter: Right now I have a somewhat dark but not dismal outlook. I think that over 2011, we will continue to experience a Jimmy Carter-style malaise "

This about says it:

"Jimmy Carter-style malaise"

OMG I remember those years; hot women but pain, pain, pain for most everyone.

This time we are the waning world power and the women are distracted by tweets and hip-hop.

I'm long gold and mayonnaise.

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:48 | 1093172 brandy night rocks
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Like everyone else, I don't know what's going to happen to the dollar.

 

But I do wish I had a dollar for every time an "Investment Legend" said something-or-other that failed to materialize was "inevitable."

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 22:29 | 1093288 DoctoRx
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Coastal central California.

Esp if you don't mind glowing just a bit . . .

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 22:59 | 1093402 mdwagner
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Even if a gold bubble pops, it's still the same amount of gold.  Can't say that about CDS, tech stocks, fiat currencies, etc.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:06 | 1093686 PulauHantu29
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Yes, I added more gold, silver and oil today...as a matter of fact.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:56 | 1093848 Bansters-in-my-...
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Jeffrey Christian sucks horse cocks,and loves it.

He swallows too.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 04:36 | 1094173 TwoShortPlanks
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And have a listen to this Knob Jockey, Dan Gross.

http://www.businessinsider.com/krugman-and-keynes-were-right-2011-3

Can't wait to see pictures of this fat bastard eating out of a rubbish bin in "3-4 years time".

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 05:57 | 1094243 Djirk
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You had me at "The problem with the economy remains structural"

Until the banks start doing some managed write offs and the Guv cuts some discretionaty spending it will be a long painful time.

Move some offshore, good luck US citizen trying to buy assets outside the US. The guv has a lock down. US based securities in $$'s may help but you are still tied to the $$.

 

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 06:18 | 1094254 ViewfromUnderth...
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I am sure you have everyone's best interests in mind when you posted that but just to make sure you are not some sowing-seeds-of-doubt troll...post some evidence, otherwise, I call bullshit.

In fact, I do call bullshit...

Edit...I got bounced to the end of the queue...this was to some guy who said all these "experts" were against gold when he bought it 10-12 years ago so now he is concerned...

PS, everyone I know who bought it around then remembers the date.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 06:23 | 1094263 Sathington Willougby
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Gold isn't going up.  Silly monopoly money is getting shelled like Libyan citizenry.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:42 | 1094372 Troll Magnet
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god i hope you're right.  the next guy might end up being worse but i'd really like to see obama's ass thrown into jail for crimes against humanity and war crimes.  will never happen but one can dream.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:30 | 1094526 GFORCE
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Interesting but their gold bubble analysis is flawed and hypocritical. They slate Wall St etc but crave the spoils of a paper Wall St melt up in gold to signify a bubble.

Not many are buying it Jim? Dealers are out of silver.

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