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The EPA is currently trying to destroy the Texas energy production that uses coal.
The commies in charge want energy so expensive, old people die due to lack of a/c.
Coal is dead unless you are willing to hang the EPA.
To the junker(s)
Obama: "When I was asked earlier about the issue of coal…under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket…even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad, because I’m capping greenhouse gasses, coal power plants, natural gas…you name it…whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retro-fit their operations. "
While Congress has been unable to get a bill passed the EPA has taken it upon themselves to enforce a green agenda and several energy plants have threatened shut downs or layoffs.
Wait til the next administration...
I´ve tried to find ways to invest in coal for a long time.
The problem is, I couldn´t find any futures / options / etf´s / etn´s etc.
Buying coal miners like rio tinto or bhp which make about 50% of their revenues from coal seems to be the only way to invest in coal besides buying physical or creating an otc derivative...
LOL - you got junked...but thanks for the info.
Have you written OTC derivatives before?
Certainly after THE RESTRUCTURING EVENT (post collapse) coal should enjoy a renaissance - the feds that are left will have a lot more on their plates than enforcing carbon standards.
Folks waking up?
Not in the USA!
"I'll bankrupt the Coal industry"
"your energy prices wil skyrocket"
The basic premise is true about coal being valuable, the administration is looking to provide all US citizens with nuggets this xmas, ilo capital gains distributions... but you're not allowed to burn it without an expensive permit.
+1 stocking, but there’s a run in it
It's not going to matter, folks. You can't pour coal into car, truck, ship, tractor or plane fuel tanks.
In the end, that's all that's going to matter.
Not true. Coal can be converted into synthetic gasoline, in fact there's a large company in South Africa that does just that. Their name is Sasol, so if you're looking to invest in coal I'd bet that is a good pick.
Their name is indeed Sasol and they've been doing it for about 50 years, and in that 50 years they've reached about 250K lousy barrels/day. And that's where they are capped by local water supply.
Don't throw out glib suggestions like this. If you think they are good place for your money, maybe you thought the same thing 50 years ago.
In the meantime, we need 85 million, not hundreds of thousands, MILLIONS of barrels per day.
Yes, they don't produce 85 million barrels a day. But they're stock price has gone pretty much straight up since November 2008. There will be alternative energy, whether it completely replaces petroleum or not.
Another company to watch is Syntroleum.
It's time to start thinking local, instead of a single centrally planned solution to the energy shortage/conundrum. It is going to become necessary anyway, with the breakdown of central governments in the coming years.
When TSHTF, there will be no central planners (other than a military dictatorship fighting local communities ... much as we have now, but worse!).
Local communities should each develop what works best for them:
In the early days of rail, hand-shoveled coal and wood were the fuels. Then onboard diesel tanks replaced the labour, then electrification centralised the 'fuel' generation. Electric maglev is probably the future, even for long distance freight -- irrespective of the cost (if it's too expensive, it won't be built and remote communities will need to become more self-sustaining).
It seems to me that a single replacement for hydrocarbons is simple-minded wishful thinking. Of course, the central planners would like a single central solution ... but it certainly ain't gonna happen in the short term (or the long-term either, in my view).
Resistance to local solutions by central planners is purely because of the centralised, state-owned power generation paradigm (which is relatively recent and was first pushed by FDR in 1933 with the TVA). Even under privatisation - whether voluntarily or IMF-enforced - the oligarchs love it! ... because they can acquire just one entity and use the state's guns to maintain the state-enforced monopoly, instead of having to compete with thousands of more practical and efficient local solutions.
Reverting to local solutions under local ownership - whether capitalist or co-operative - will regenerate employment, build local wealth and satisfy local needs. What a novel idea!?!
End the Feds!! (Federal Reserve and Federal.gov)
End the Feds!! (Federal Reserve and Federal.gov)
It's even simpler, end the TBTFs, and all the rest follows.
I don't understand your logic ... they only got TBTF because of government protection and a government decree!
GM, AIG, Lehman, etc would have just withered away without the Feds to protect (Fed.gov) and feed (FRB) them.
Perhaps you could enlighten me?
Sorry for the delay i-dog, have not been in here all week.
Who owns the TBTF?
Who owns the Fed?
Who bought and owns the sock-puppets who pretend to originate 'lawz'?
Does "audit the Fed" end the Fed, if the TBTF were the ones who set up the whole thing, so the TBTF could do what they have done?
How can a Govt of analyse econ-data or take economic decisions and make plans, when the Fed printz, and the TBTF's algo networks stir in QE, and then call it a 'market', where there is no real pricing, volume or investment?
If there is printing the market rises, if not, it falls ... if the FedSatan printz in Sept, the market will rise.
It's feckin Pavlovian! And this only occurs because the TBTFs have divorced the mechanism of the
I N V E S T M E N T
that powers a real market, divorced from affordable demand, non-misallocated credit, REAL production, and inventories.
The investmernt mechanism (that's what the NYSE is supposed to be!) is smashed, the TBTFs poisoned it, and sucked out its brain.
The upshot is, the US Govt, OBAMA, has handed over the keys of the kingdom (monetary and fiscal policy, and economic 'planning') to Goldman Sachs and such.
The Federal Govt is no longer in control of it.
The Joo-confetti machine is.
End the TBTF and all the rest follows, as the Fed and the puppeteers and puppets then all come unhinged.
I thought this went without saying - my bad mate.
OK. I get your point now, Element ... and you are right about the JPM-GS Gang controlling the US money supply ... but the rabbit hole goes much deeper and broader than that. And non-jews have a major hand in it.
That JPM-GS Gang is working to an agenda that is controlled by "another level of government altogether" (to quote a Privy Councillor) than the one we see in the MSM. The rabbit hole is also much older than the rise of the Rothschilds and zionists to real wealth and influence.
If you are looking at the Jooz, then you are only watching the magician's right hand while his left hand is still hidden behind his back! (The jooz really only came into the power picture in the early 19th century, and were only able to intermarry into the Wasp establishment--thereby merging banker and industrialist wealth with establishment land and power--towards the end of that century. Jooz were still not accepted into Skull & Bones until the 1970s - apart from one Rockefeller in the 1920s).
To start to see what I mean, take a look into the Pilgrims Society (here) and the ancestral connections in the bio's of most of its members.
Most say "follow the money", but I say "follow the blood ... since they already have access to more than enough wealth and power".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py8QYt54EpE get creative
liquefied coal bitch
Coal? Common now, lets all go back in the stone age and
start burning the trees.. F*ck Coal, we have enormous amount
of Natural Gas.. It's clean, cheap and All Made in USA.
Coal my A$$ :))))
Not a coincidence. Seems like someone knows what direction things are going. Peak oil?
EPA is going after NatGas as well. Where have y'all been?
For God's sake, look things up.
Nat gas, methane, CH4, has 1/1000th the energy density of oil in gaseous form. If you want to cryocool it for liquid form, you burn energy doing that.
Oil is oil for a reason. It's amazing stuff. It powered the 20th century from 1 billion population to 7 billion. As it becomes unavailable, so will food for the 7 billion.
Billions are going to die. And it won't be over a century. It will be over 5-10 yrs.
And yet the EPA is still gonna fuck with it.
Makes you wonder just what their agenda is.
Not really: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/climate-of-denial-20110622
Lol don't tell me people still believe in Global Warming? Don't they ever stick their head out the window?
Yah: Climate Change: It's bad and getting worse
Also: A link between climate change and Joplin tornadoes? Never!
I'll refrain from wondering if people ever pull their heads out of their asses.
bullshit. very little of that 85 mb/d goes into food production/distribution. Billions may die but jamie dimon's yacht will still be fueled.
Very little of nothing left is still nothing left. And Jamie Dimon's yacht will have to be moored off of Saudi Arabia or some other country that has oil for internal consumption once there's nothing left for export.
But... but... Al Gore says that I should not buy coal. He does probably, but he surely has good reasons.
Coal is available and plentiful.
If the price is going up, still, then we are going back to the inflation thingy..
The tape says the selling is about over.
Enough of this deflation thingy...
I have done very well with KOL, the ETF for coal.
Can't see taxing carbon at the source taking hold in Australia. The current debate is for polluters that use coal and not miners of. If and when a carbon tax is introduced shall thus make little difference on coal prices.
No need to panic. King Coal will run the world on steam forever.
You could say Amtrack's Northeast corridor with it's nuke juiced wires is run by coal when it needs to.
Also, how easily we forgot about two winters ago when old Londoners were buying huge big books that burn so slowly instead of a bucket of coal. They essentially emptied the dusty book stores in the area. The bigger, dustier and older, the better.
Boy we just seem to move from one mess of fucking shit to another don't we. I think here in the US we need to declare the gov't and the Fed a threat to national security and have the military take their worthless asses over.
Still working on my hillbilly foundry, currently building a charcoal maker out of 2 55 gallon steel drums and lots of bricks. Get scraps and make charcoal for my metal furnaces. I'm sure the fucking cock suckers at the EPA would just love my ass and probably will attempt to shut all us hobbyist down as well.
Cap n trade, carbon tax? get fucking real who are the real benefactors of this horseshit? Al fucking Gore with his 7 AC unit mansion?? Die motherfuckers.
Austrian wood gas comes to mind Neighbor.
Al and his ilk, including EPA thugs, want the Carbon Xchange market. It will rear its ugly head again. It's hibernating due to the economy and Ice Storms.
The CCX died an enjoyable to watch death.
Coal's future will grow when new Coal to Liquid technology, in particular the new process developed at U Texas Arlington where CTL costs are very low and getting lower. The future will be coal mines everywhere, and CTL plants next to them, producing solid coal or liquid fuel as the market demands...It could be that the price of a gallon of gas would go back below a dollar...not bad, eh?
the issue for ctl is simply one of cost of feedstock, i have posted about this before but tend to get shouted down by the monkeys. mining coal (or using natural gas for that matter) for feedstock is neither scaleable or economic - the future is what linc energy do which is underground coal gasification which generates feedstock for the ctl process that works out at one tenth of sasol, syntroleum etc etc - means you can produce a barrel of synthetic deisel for around $28. foding and peabody looking to do a jv in powder river basin with this company
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