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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform

Lies Across America

“Every single empire, in its official discourse, has said that it
is not like all the others, that its circumstances are special, that it
has a mission to enlighten, civilize, bring order and democracy, and
that it has a mission to enlighten, civilize, bring order and democracy,
and that it uses force only as a last resort.”
Edward Said

The increasingly fragile American Empire has been built on a
foundation of lies. Lies we tell ourselves and Big lies spread by our
government. The shit is so deep you can stir it with a stick. As we
enter another holiday season the mainstream corporate mass media will
relegate you to the status of consumer. This is a disgusting term that
dehumanizes all Americans. You are nothing but a blot to corporations
and advertisers selling you electronic doohickeys that they convince you
that you must have. Propaganda about consumer spending being essential
to an economic recovery is spewed from 52 inch HDTVs across the land, 24
hours per day, by CNBC, Fox, CBS and the other corporate owned media
that generate billions in profits from selling advertising to
corporations schilling material goods to thoughtless American consumers.
 Aldous Huxley had it figured out decades ago:

“Thanks to compulsory education and the rotary press, the
propagandist has been able, for many years past, to convey his messages
to virtually every adult in every civilized country.”

Americans were given the mental capacity to critically think. Sadly, a
vast swath of Americans has chosen ignorance over knowledge. Make no
mistake about it, ignorance is a choice. It doesn’t matter whether you
are poor or rich. Books are available to everyone in this country. Sob
stories about the disadvantaged poor having no access to education are
nothing but liberal spin to keep the masses controlled. There are
122,500 libraries in this country. If you want to read a book, you can
read a book. The internet puts knowledge at the fingertips of every
citizen. Becoming educated requires hard work, sacrifice, curiosity, and
a desire to learn. Aldous Huxley  describes the American choice to be ignorant:

 “Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. We don’t know because we don’t want to know.”

It is a choice to play Call of Duty on your PS3 rather than reading
Shakespeare. It is a choice to stand on a street corner looking for
trouble rather than reading Hemingway. It is a choice to spend Black
Friday in malls fighting other robotic consumers for iSomethings, the
latest innovative, advanced TVs, flashy Rolexes, and ostentatious Coach
bags rather than spending the day reading Guns of August by
Barbara Tuchman, a brilliant Pulitzer Prize winning history of the
outset of World War I, which would provide insight into what could
happen on the Korean Peninsula. It is a choice to watch 6 hours per day
of Dancing With the Stars, American Idol, Brainless Housewives of
Everywhere, or CSI of Anywhere rather than reading Orwell or Huxley  and discovering that their dystopian warnings have come true.

 Conspicuous Consumption Conquistadors

Americans have chosen to lie to themselves. They have persuaded
themselves that buying stuff with plastic cards while paying 19%
interest for eternity, driving BMWs while locked into never ending
indecipherable lease schemes, and living in permanently underwater
McMansions bought with 0% down on an interest only liar loan, is the new
American Dream. They think watching the boob tube will make them smart.
They soak in the mass media hype, misinformation and lies like lemmings
walking off a cliff. Depending on their political predisposition, they
watch Fox or MSNBC and unthinkingly believe the propaganda that pours
from the mouths of the multi-millionaire talking heads who read
Teleprompters with words written by corporate media hacks. They tell
themselves that buying stuff on credit, giving them the appearance of
success as measured by the media elite, is actually success. This is a
bastardized, manipulated, delusional version of accomplishment.
Americans have chosen to believe the lies because the truth is too hard
to accept.

Becoming educated, thinking critically, working hard, saving money to
buy what you need (as opposed to what you want), developing human
relationships, and questioning the motivations of government, corporate
and religious leaders is hard. It is easy to coast through school and
never read a book for the rest of your life. It is easy to not think
about the future, your retirement, or the future of unborn generations.
It is easy to coast through life at a job (until you lose it) that is
unchallenging, with no desire or motivation for advancement. It is easy
to make your everyday troubles disappear by whipping out your piece of
plastic and acquiring everything you desire today. If your
brother-in-law buys a 7,000 sq ft, 7 bedroom, 4 bath, 3 car garage,
monolith to decadence for his family of 3, thirty miles from
civilization, with no money down and a no doc Option ARM providing the
funds, why shouldn’t you get in on the fun. It’s easy. Why sit around
the kitchen table and talk with your kids, when you can easily cruise
the internet downloading free porn or recording every trivial detail of
your shallow life on Facebook so others can waste their time reading
about your life. It is easiest to believe your elected leaders,
glorified mega-corporation CEOs, and millionaire pastors preaching the
word of God for a “small” contribution to their mega-churches.

Americans love authority figures who act as if they have all the
answers. It matters not that these egotistical monuments to folly and
hubris (Bush, Obama, Paulson, Geithner, Greenspan, Bernanke) have
committed the worst atrocities in the history of our Republic, leaving
economic carnage and the slaughter of thousands in their wake. The most
dangerous man on this earth is an Ivy League educated, arrogant
ideologue who believes they are smarter than everyone else. When these
men achieve power, they are capable of producing catastrophic
consequences. Once they seize the reigns of authority these amoral
psychopaths have no problem lying to the American public in order to
achieve their objectives. They know that Americans love to be lied to,
so the bigger the lie, the more likely it is to be believed.

The current lie proliferating across the land of the free financing
and home of the debtor is that austerity has broken out across the land.
The mainstream media and the government, aided by various “think tanks”
and Federal Reserve propagandists insist that Americans have buckled
down, reduced spending, increased savings, and have embraced austerity.

Austerity – Circa 1932


Austerity – Circa 2010


They now proclaim that it is time to spend again. It is the patriotic
thing to do, just like defeating terrorists by buying an SUV with 0%
down from GM was the patriotic thing to do after 9/11. Defeating
terrorists by going further into debt was the brilliant idea of those
Ivy League geniuses Bush & Greenspan. Let’s critically examine the
facts to determine how austere Americans have become:

  • Consumer credit outstanding is $2.41 trillion, the same level
    reached in early 2007, and up from $1.5 trillion in 2000. This is a 60%
    increase in ten years. Personal income has risen from $8.4 trillion to
    $12.6 trillion over this same time frame, a 50% increase. Americans have
    substituted debt for income in order to keep up with the Joneses. The
    mass delusion lives.  
  • The MSM declares that the reduction in overall consumer debt from
    its peak of $2.56 trillion in 2008 to $2.41 trillion today proves that
    consumers have been cutting back and paying off debt. This is another
    media lie. Non-revolving debt, which includes car loans, education
    loans, mobile home loans and boat loans sits at $1.6 trillion, an
    all-time high matched in 2008. Credit card debt has “plunged” from $957
    billion to $814 billion, not because consumers paid down their balances.
    The mega Wall Street banks have written off $20 billion per quarter
    since early 2009, accounting for ALL of the reduction in credit card
    debt. Clueless consumers continue to charge at the same rate as the peak
    in 2008.
  • Average credit card debt per household with credit card debt: $15,788
  • There are 609.8 million bank credit cards held by U.S. consumers.
  • The U.S. credit card default rate is 13.01%
  • In 2006, the United States Census Bureau determined that there were
    nearly 1.5 billion credit cards in use in the U.S. A stack of all those
    credit cards would reach more than 70 miles into space – and be almost
    as tall as 13 Mount Everests.
  • Penalty fees from credit cards added up to about $20.5 billion in 2009.
  • The national average default rate as January 2010 stood at 27.88% and the mean default rate is 28.99%.
  • Total bankruptcy filings in 2009 reached 1.4 million, up from 1.09
    million in 2008. Bankruptcies in 2010 are on pace to exceed 1.6 million.
  • 26% of Americans, or more than 58 million adults, admit to not
    paying all of their bills on time. Among African-Americans, this number
    is at 51%. 

           Does This Look Like Austerity? Really?


This data clearly proves that austerity has not broken out across the
land of delusion. The billions in consumer loan write-offs by the Wall
Street banks that run this country have masked the fact that Americans
have not cut back on their spending habits at all. GMAC (taxpayer owned)
and Ford Credit continue to dish out car loans to anyone with a pulse
and a 600 credit score. The Federal Reserve and the FASB have
encouraged, if not insisted, that banks fraudulently value the
commercial real estate loans on their books. The Federal Reserve has
bought $1.5 trillion of toxic mortgage loans from the criminal Wall
Street banks at 100 cents on the dollar. The government’s corporate
fascist public relations firms then spread the big lie that the economy
is recovering and consumers should join the party and spend, spend,

If Americans were capable or willing to do some critical thinking,
they would realize that those in power have created the illusion of a
recovery by handing $700 billion of your money to the banks that created
the financial meltdown, spending $800 billion on worthless pork barrel
projects borrowed from future generations, dropping interest rates to 0%
so that the mega-Wall Street banks can earn billions risk free while
your grandmother who depended on interest income from her CDs edges
closer to eating cat food to get by, and lastly Ben Bernanke’s blatant
attempt to enrich Wall Street by buying US Treasury bonds in an effort
to make the stock market go up, while the middle and lower classes are
crushed under the weight of soaring fuel and food price increases that
exceed 30% on an annual basis. The illusion of recovery is not a
recovery. With a true unemployment rate of 22%, a true inflation rate of
8% and a real GDP of -1.5% (Shadowstats), we are in the midst of the Greater Depression. You are being lied to, but most of you prefer it.   

The Little Lies We Tell Ourselves

“Our ignorance is not so vast as our failure to use what we know.” – M King Hubbert

When Jimmy Carter gave his malaise speech in 1979, Americans were in
no mood to listen. Carter’s solutions were too painful, required
sacrifice, and sought to benefit future generations. The leading edge of
the Baby Boom generation had reached their 30s by 1979, and the most
spoiled, pampered, egocentric generation in history could care less
about future generations, long term thinking, or sacrifice for the
greater good. They were the ME GENERATION. The 1970s had proven to be
tumultuous episode in US history. M King Hubbert’s calculation in 1956
that U.S. oil production would peak in the early 1970s proved to be 100%

File:US Oil Production and Imports 1920 to 2005.png

The Arab oil embargo resulted in gas shortages and economic chaos in
the U.S. Hubbert used the same method to determine that worldwide oil
production would peak in the early 2000s. If long term planning had been
initiated in the early 1980s, combining exploration of untapped
reserves, greater utilization of natural gas, development of nuclear
plants, more stringent fuel efficiency standards, increased taxes on
gasoline, and more thoughtful development of housing communities, we
would not now face a looming oil crisis within the next few years.
Instead of dealing with reality, adapting our behavior and preparing for
a more localized society, we put our blinders on, chose ignorance over
reason and pushed the pedal to the medal by moving farther away from our
jobs, building bigger energy intensive mansions, and insisting on
driving tank-like SUVs, Hummers, and good ole boy pickups. Kevin
Phillips in American Theocracy
explained that hyper-consumerism, fear, and inability to use logic have
left our suburban oasis lives in danger of implosion when the reality
of peak cheap oil strikes:  

 Besides the innate thirst of SUVs, some of the last quarter
century’s surge in U.S. oil consumption has come from Americans driving
more – some twelve thousand miles per motorist per year, up almost one –
third from 1980 – because they as a whole live farther from work. In
consumption terms, exurbia is the physical result of the latest
population redistribution enabled by car culture and the electorate that
upholds it.

Family values are central – if by this we mean having families
and accepting lengthy commutes to install them in reasonably safe and
well churched places. In the 1970’s such households might have been
fleeing school busing or central city crime; in the post – September 11
era, many sought distance from “godless” school systems or the random
violence and terrorist attacks expected to occur in metropolitan areas.

We willingly believe the lies espoused by the badly informed pundits
on CNBC and Fox   that if we just drill in Alaska and off our coasts,
we’ll be fine. The ignorant peak cheap oil deniers insist there are
billions of barrels of oil to be harvested from the Bakken Shale, even
though there is absolutely no method of accessing this supply without
expending more energy than we can access. Environmentalists lie about
the dangers of nuclear power, while shamelessly promoting the ridiculous
notion that solar, wind and ethanol can make a visible impact on our
future energy needs. Ideologues on the right and left conveniently
ignore the facts and the truth is lost in a blizzard of their lies. Here
is an explanation so clear, even a CNBC “drill baby drill” dimwit could

When oil production first began in the mid-nineteenth century,
the largest oil fields recovered fifty barrels of oil for every barrel
used in the extraction, transportation and refining. This ratio is often
referred to as the Energy Return on Energy Investment (EROEI).
Currently, between one and five barrels of oil are recovered for each
barrel-equivalent of energy used in the recovery process. As the EROEI
drops to one, or equivalently the Net Energy Gain falls to zero, the oil
production is no longer a net energy source. This happens long before
the resource is physically exhausted.

File:Hubbert peak oil plot.svg

After the briefest of lulls when oil reached $145 per barrel,
Americans have resumed buying SUVs, pickup trucks, and gas guzzling
muscle cars. They have chosen to ignore the imminence of peak cheap oil
because driving a leased BMW makes your neighbors think you are a
success, while driving a hybrid would make your neighbors think you are a
liberal tree hugger. It boggles my mind that so many Americans are so
shallow and shortsighted. According to Automotive News, at the start of
2008 leasing comprised 31.2% of luxury vehicle sales and 18.7% of
non-luxury sales. This proves that hundreds of thousands of wannabes are
driving leased BMWs and Mercedes to fill some void in their superficial

I bought a Honda Insight Hybrid six months ago. It gets 44 mpg and
will save me $1,500 per year in gasoline costs. I put 20% down and
financed the remainder at 0.9% for three years. My payment is $450 per
month. I will own it outright in 2 ½ years. I could have leased a 2010
BMW 328i with moonroof, bluetooth, power seats with driver seat memory,
lumbar support, leather interior, iPod adapter, 17″ alloy wheels, heated
seats, wood trim, 3.0 Liter 6 Cylinder engine with 230 horsepower for 3
years at $389 per month. At the end of 3 years I’d own nothing. In 2 ½
years I’ll be able to put $450 per month away for my kids’ college
education and I’ll be saving more on fuel as gasoline approaches $5 per
gallon. The self important egotistical BMW leaser pretending to be
successful will need to hand over their sweet ride and move on to the
next lease, never saving a dime for the future. I’m sure they’ll make a
killing in the market or their McMansion will surely double in price,
providing a fantastic retirement.  

             Delusional                                   Practical


The delusion that cheap oil is a God given right of all Americans can
be seen in the YTD data on vehicle sales. Pickups and SUVs account for
48.5% of all sales, while small fuel efficient cars account for only
16.5% of all sales. Americans will continue to lie to themselves until
it is too late, again.

Americans are so committed to their automobiles, hyper-consumerism,
oversized McMansions, and suburban sprawl existence that they will never
willingly prepare in advance for a future by scaling back, downsizing,
or thinking. Our culture is built upon consumption, debt, cheap oil and
illusion. Kevin Phillips in American Theocracy
concludes that there are so many Americans tied to our unsustainable
economic model that they will choose to lie to themselves and be lied to
by their leaders rather than think and adapt:  

A large number of voters work in or depend on the energy and
automobile industries, and still more are invested in them, not just
financially but emotionally and culturally. These secondary cadres
included racing fans, hobbyists, collectors, and dedicated readers of
automotive magazines, as well as the tens of millions of automobile
commuters from suburbs and distant exurbs, plus the high number of
drivers whose strong self-identification with vehicle types and models
serve as thinly disguised political statements. In the United States
more than elsewhere, a preference for conspicuous consumption over
energy efficiency and conservation is a signal of a much deeper, central

M King Hubbert was a geophysicist and a practical man. He observed
data, made realistic assumptions, and came to logical conclusions. He
didn’t deal in unrealistic hope and unwarranted optimism. He knew that
our culture had become so dependent upon lies and an unsustainable
growth model based on depleting oil and debt based “prosperity”. He knew
decades ago that we were incapable of dealing with the truth:

“Our principal constraints are cultural. During the last two
centuries we have known nothing but exponential growth and in parallel
we have evolved what amounts to an exponential-growth culture, a culture
so heavily dependent upon the continuance of exponential growth for its
stability that it is incapable of reckoning with problems of
M King Hubbert

Our country is at a crucial juncture. It is time for thinkers. It is
time for realists. It is time to deal with facts. It is time to drive
the ideologues off the stage. Are you tired of lying to yourselves? Are
you tired of being lied to by the corporate fascists that run this
country? It is time to wake up. Right wing and left wing ideologues will
continue to spew lies and misinformation as they are power hungry and
care not for the long-term survival of our nation or the unborn
generations that depend upon the decisions we make today. It is time to
see how we really are.

 “Most of one’s life is one prolonged effort to prevent
oneself from thinking. People intoxicate themselves with work so they
won’t see how they really are.”
–   Aldous Huxley


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Sun, 11/28/2010 - 23:56 | 760160 Fidel Sarcastro
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Well done!  When I try to explain the US's craptacular financial quandary, 50% of them look at me like a puppy - head slightly tilted, with a dumb look on its face: they know NOTHING. They are literally oblivious to 100% of all that is happening.  The other 50% simply walk away; they do not want to hear what I have to say, for they know it is true.  They want to keep the slight kernel of knowledge from blossoming into full comprehension.  Thus they walk away.  It's sad.  

As the author says above "make no mistake, ignorance is a choice."

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:21 | 760226 Incubus
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There's a time for happiness, and there's a time to be angry:  the average american cattle/citizen is wholly sold on the psychology of happiness and its supposed self-fulfilling prophecy. 

Yeah, I understand that a self-fulfilling prophecy would play out if there were no other factors, but there are.  The entire American system is based on the supposed good faith of men and of the system to keep men honest: both have failed. 

So, these happy cattle smile while everything they know is being dismantled.  And you're right, ignorance is a choice, and it is not innocent, willful ignorance is one of the greatest poisons of any society: their ignorance is an enabler, and they bear as much guilt as the people who've fleeced this country.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:56 | 760371 A Nanny Moose
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Fsck Ziggy, and Kiss-ass-inger, and the horse they both rode in on.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 02:29 | 760413 jeff montanye
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distinguish between their descriptions of the world and its political processes on one hand and their policy recommendations on the other.  for instance zb's statement about the reversal of ease of control vs. killing seems true.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 03:03 | 760437 benb
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And that roach Brzezinski isn't just talking.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:41 | 760265 High Plains Drifter
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Ignorance is a choice. Take for instance trying to tell some veteran that they were lied to and used and their buddies died for nothing and that we should not be at war. They would rather believe the lie, than accept the ugly truth. What is more painful, the ugly truth, or catching a bullet for nothing? Which is more painful?  Believing the lies of this government or accepting the truth and waking up? They think they have pain now. They must wait, but only for a short while. Pain, they know nothing of pain. On on another note, try telling a world war 2 veteran that they fought a war that we never should have been in, and it was for nothing. Try telling them that and see what happens. America's finest generation as Tom Brokaw says, but in reality they were America's biggest chumps. FDR said we would never go to war, yet we did. On and on it goes. Generation after generation. When does it stop?  When?  I myself am a veteran. I was drafted. I did my duty. I was willing to die but I lived.  I went down to the Federal building and me and some other guys stood in a line in front of the US Army sargeant and he said strip and we stripped. So there we were, standing in a line, naked as jay birds. The next they do is say, step one foot forward and raise your right hand. Then they say bend over and spread em.  You quickly learn real fast by these things just what kind of world you are going into. This is my rifle. This is my gun. This one is for shooting. This one is for fun.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 02:37 | 760420 jeff montanye
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or you can resist and not "do your duty."  makes making war harder.  however your only specific example of a war fought "for nothing", ww2, is a bold choice.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 05:35 | 760513 DukkButt
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It was fought for nothing, but you have to go back to WWI for the explanation. WWI would have ended in a more even stalemate if we hadn't gotten involved. Both sides would have gotten tired of fighting, drawn new boundaries (as they had for centuries) and quit. In that case, no war reparations from Germany, no crushing economic disaster and no perfect environment for a demagogue (Hitler) to exploit. WWII was really just an extension of WWI, with a long time out in the middle.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 08:38 | 760577 SWRichmond
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I am delighted to have read your post.  Having studied WW2 in some detail I came to the same conclusions as you: the European war at least was a mere continuation of WW1.  It's amazing how long these political hangovers last, and how fucked up they are.  Both sides WERE tired of fighting WW1.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 09:14 | 760610 Free Radical
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Well and truly said, though I would go back to the Civil War for the explanation. For it was here that the Union was preserved at the expense of the principle upon which it was founded, the powers that be on the North American continent resorting to the same process of "unification, centralization, and consolidation" -- -- that the European continent was undergoing. And while those same powers conspire to complete the process in a World State, such is the nature of the beast that it cannot succeed in this endeavor and is instead coming apart at the seams, never mind the lengths to which it will go -- how much "extending and pretending" it will engage it -- to postpone the inevitable.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 10:18 | 760705 mtomato2
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All of you can go and thoroughly, carefully and completely fuck yourselves.

Your fucking heads have gotten too fucking big for your fucking skulls.

These wars you so blithely write off may have been STARTED under false premises, and that was and is unforgivable...  But, once started, involved actual predators and actual victims...  And the victims needed saving.  God Help You if you are ever in need of saving.

I have, on a shelf close by, a picture of my Grandfather standing amidst rescued Jewish prisoners who were hollow-eyed and empty.  Life had been driven out of them by actual evil people.  They watched their sons, fathers, daughters, mothers, brothers and sisters literally burned alive.  And before you start, yes, I know that there are actual evil people here and now, yes, even within our own borders.

That man who was my Grandfather was a hero.  He had faults.  He was not perfect.  But his efforts were not wasted, nor his mission in vain.  Fuck you and all the horses you ever ride in on for suggesting otherwise.

Never, for the Love of God, confuse those who START wars with those who fight them.

I, and thousands of other Zero Hedgers, expect myriad and sincere apologies from all of those here who have disparaged the memories and sacrifices of those who have followed their convictions to the very best of their abilities in defending the defenseless and holding up the weak.

I am Mtomato2.  Junkers can go back to hell where you came from.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:11 | 760810 ToNYC
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"...I remember throwin' punches around and preachin' from my chair..." [Who Are You]

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:29 | 760868 mtomato2
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Oh, I could ALWAYS get up and walk away...

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:10 | 761031 SWRichmond
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That man who was my Grandfather was a hero.  He had faults.  He was not perfect.  But his efforts were not wasted, nor his mission in vain.  Fuck you and all the horses you ever ride in on for suggesting otherwise.

Who the fuck said the effort was wasted?  Wouldn't you rather he had never had to go?  I've a relative I've never met because of WW2.  I want to not repeat the stupidity of history that results in millions of deaths.  The seeds of WW2 were sown in WW1; I am amazed that you are so stupid that you can't see that and chose rather to bitch at us for having a different, and probably more informed opinion.  Had WW1 ended differently, had the German nation not been completely destroyed by Versaille, there most likely would have been no WW2 and your grandfather could have stayed home and my lost relative would have had a life.

You are a moron.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 18:00 | 762650 mtomato2
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You agreed with those who implied that the effort was wasted.  And I never called you names, nor did I call you stupid.  You are far more dangerous than stupid.  You think you are smarter than you actually are.

Would've should've could've doesn't fly here, fuckface.  (THERE!)

Despair the honor of a true soldier at your own peril.  Pray you never need one. 

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:01 | 763364 SWRichmond
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Having studied WW2 in some detail I came to the same conclusions as you: the European war at least was a mere continuation of WW1.

Above is my statement.  Wherein does it say the effort was wasted?  Do you understand the difference between unnecessary and avoidable?  You leap to conclusions and take affront because it makes you feel good to feel something like righteous indignation.  It makes you feel you're better than the rest of us.  Your post above positively reeks of it, the same thing you accuse me of.  Yeah, I called you stupid, what of it?  You are stupid.

Would've should've could've doesn't fly here

Those who are incapable of understanding history are doomed to repeat it; the sad part is, even those who DO understand it are doomed to repeat it when they are surrounded by morons who don't.  Here's the bottom line: You can't have an endless stream of my progeny for wars that could be avoided.  WW2 could have been avoided.  It could have been avoided by the generation that was too old to fight it when it finally reared its head. So guess who suffered?  At least you know, or knew your family member.  Count yourself lucky in that regard, and don't imagine you can tell me the first fucking word about soldiers.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 15:45 | 765238 mtomato2
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Truce.  I've shot my wad.  I'm tired of fighting.  If you don't get what I'm saying, I guess I don't care.  Arguing certainly won't solve anything.  I know what I mean, And, I suppose, that's all that matters to me.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:31 | 761132 Winston Smith 2009
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"These wars you so blithely write off may have been STARTED under false premises, and that was and is unforgivable... But, once started, involved actual predators and actual victims... And the victims needed saving."

Yep and there's the time honored formula. Just start a war on false pretenses and then cry that it must be continued so those who fight it don't die in vain and those who are civilian victims of it are saved. Works again and again... on fools.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:21 | 762685 mtomato2
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For you I will withhold my fury, not that it matters.  Because I don't think you're picking up what I am putting down.  I am not questioning the criticism aimed at those who start and perpetuate war.  I am condemning those who question the true motives of the soldiers who fight them.

It may, as you say, work again and again...  But the fools are not the soldiers.  I'm not really sure who the fools are, in fact.  Humans?  Show me a world where wars are never fought.  Death, war, taxes...  Ever since the fall of man, things have been tough all over.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 01:26 | 763767 GoinFawr
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Dare I wade in here with "No indeud, long before the 'fall of man' dinosaurs were all giving each other back massages and tummy rubs"?

Err, probably not; best keep it to myself...

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 07:10 | 760545 moregoldplease
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If that was your draft experience I would say you are lying. Been there done that.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 10:52 | 760773 MrPalladium
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In the criminal law it is presumed that one intends the ordinary and probable consequences of his actions. The consequence of U.S. entry into WWII was that the Soviet Union and Stalin would win. Thus the purpose of WWII was to make the world safe for communism - that was the probable and forseeable consequence. And also, perhaps, to preserve debt based money, as Hitler began printing currency and using it to directly finance infrastructure projects for the Third Reich, bypassing the banks and without creating debt. Bad Hitler!!

It is no surprise, therefore, that WWII has become a holy war, the sanctity and goodness of which cannot be questioned.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 21:05 | 766481 BigJim
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"On on another note, try telling a world war 2 veteran that they fought a war that we never should have been in, and it was for nothing. "

I agree they should never have been in the war, in the sense that if the US hadn't got involved in WWI, WWII wouldn't have happened. And as the US shouldn't have got involved in WWI, that also entails WWII was a war the US shouldn't have been involved in either.

However, to say "it was for nothing" is to ignore what would have happened if Hitler hadn't been stopped. The Nazis were close to making the atomic bomb... I have little doubt they would have used it even more gratuitously than we did.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:42 | 760270 DavidPierre
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Your country is at a crucial juncture.

It is time you big thinkers, you so-called economic realists to deal with facts of 9/11.

It is time to drive the MORONS and economic ideologues off the public stage.

Are you tired of lying to yourself, Quinn?

Are you tired of being lied to by the corporate fascists that run the country?

It is time to wake up Quinn. Fascist ideologues will continue to spew 9/11 lies and more warmongering misinformation.

They are power hungry murderers that you are covering for and care not for the long-term survival of your sick nation or the unborn generations that depend upon the decisions you make today.

It is time to you to see who you really are Smokey Quinn.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:47 | 760280 High Plains Drifter
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Agreed. It has to be done now, whatever it is. There is no more time left to procrastinate. If not, then it will never be done. Right now we still have food supplies and water enough. One day, not so much, perhaps. Then what?  Every man for himself? I hope not.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:29 | 760346 Lucius Corneliu...
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Most Empires don't go out with a bang.  They just slowly (or not so slowly) fade away or have chunks of them taken or broken away.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 09:01 | 760597 MeTarzanUjane
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The zionists have big plans for America and her profitable populance. It's far from over.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 09:18 | 760608 i-dog
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"The zionists have big plans for America and her profitable populance"

Nonsense. Go away, troll. IfUTarzanJaneStupid.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 10:04 | 760644 MeTarzanUjane
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Hello i-digity.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 09:42 | 760651 Max Hunter
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We know who the trolls are... Troll... The Zionist fingerprints are all over the crime scene..

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 15:29 | 761533 i-dog
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This is not a one-act play. You need to differentiate between a Zionist role in the downfall of America, and the plans of TPTB for the aftermath.

The same people who financed the slaughter of up to 100 million Russians and Chinese also financed the holocaust. Those were practice runs.

2 cents.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:04 | 761003 Husk-Erzulie
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While I am not in agreement with many of your posts, or maybe your posting style, I do find this link interesting and informative.  Thank you for posting it.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:46 | 760361 HarryWanger
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Yes, if the number was good it must be wrong. Please....people are spending plain and simple.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 02:03 | 760385 A Nanny Moose
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It's no longer a matter of right or wrong on the numbers. At this point it is about the realization that millions are squatting in their homes, using this new found isposable income with to buy shit they don't need. Eventually the parasites will suck the host this point the real fun begins.


Edit: Nevermind the init black Fri reports are coming in at +.3%....can I has inflation deflator?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 09:53 | 760655 Bob
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Actually, it was primarily that utterly unsupported and counter-intuitive claim that I found absurd--especially since it plays such a huge part in the grandiosely moral rant that is the article. 

Spending as a whole hasn't significantly decreased?  Okay, I'll buy that.  But to assert that it's underwater homeowners extravagantly spending their extended unemployment benefits or running up their imaginary credit cards on electronic trinkets that is the cause is baldly dishonest.  Of course, this would be in keeping with the author's moral revelation. 

But show me some data that demonstrates it.  You can't (and it ain't because of Barry Obummer.) 

This meme is nothing more than self-righteous ignorance and bigotry.  But it's deeply satisfying to that particular constituency. 

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:59 | 760977 RockyRacoon
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Yes, if the number was good it must be wrong. Please....people are spending plain and simple.

You'll have to define "good".  You imply that spending by people who cannot afford it is "good".

Therein lies the problem.  

The article does not say that people are not spending.  It quite clearly states that people are spending as much as they ever have.

Did you read the article -- or just assume that the "figures" are wrong?

This data clearly proves that austerity has not broken out across the land of delusion. The billions in consumer loan write-offs by the Wall Street banks that run this country have masked the fact that Americans have not cut back on their spending habits at all.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:42 | 761185 Bob
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To my mind, this misses the critical question: Who is still buying as much as ever?

Common sense would suggest, at least to me, that the twenty percent of the population that's making out like pigs in shit have actually increased their spending, though I doubt that it's an increased proportion of their incomes. 

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 02:28 | 760411 ebworthen
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Yes, many accolytes of the church of the unreal reality.

"Click your heals three times..."

Well done Tyler; spot on.

Fidel Sarcasto - dumb puppy look, LOL!  Yes, like that.  "Where's my sports channel/sleaze reality show and six pack/cosmopolitan?"

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 04:13 | 760483 AnAnonymous
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they know NOTHING


Duplicity is the key point. Your friends know but prefer not to expand on the causes of their choices. They know it is much better to consume now through a debt mechanics on available resources than rely on a hypothetical future consumption (savings)


They have probably fully understood what is going on. They just dont want to discuss it.

Make a difference. They simply drew different conclusions from you. What you see as a harmful opportunity, they see as a very profitable opportunity.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:02 | 760798 ToNYC
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90% don't want to know that the apple that Eve presented to Adam at the urging of the Serpent was labeled "FREE!". In the Kingdom of Man the need for Capital (stored real other's savings only) and Freedom are inversely proportional. It is among the immutable Human Nature laws along with Gresham's Law which posits that "bad money drives good money (pari passu).

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:06 | 760180 Oh regional Indian
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Now include TV, and the propagandist does not even need an educated audience to get his/her effect.

Interesting, while I don't subscribe to peak oil (not in a literal, Hubbert's Peak kind of way), it's a wall that is coming and no one wants to see it.

We are too damn inefficient.  And the Motor Car is our crowning in-efficiency.

I for one wish I could grind this industrial behemoth, so antiquarian, long in the toooth, into dust with a dose of JQesque fire and brimstone. 

It is a heartless master without a care for collateral damage (us, US, etc.).


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:57 | 760373 Hansel
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Here's my latest piece of antipropaganda: A public service message from Greasy Hair Bear, chairman of F'dIA

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 02:42 | 760425 jeff montanye
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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:02 | 760185 Mark Medinnus
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Pssst, I'm sitting on a holy hand grenade.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:09 | 760202 Fidel Sarcastro
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of Antioch?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:32 | 760251 snowball777
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Three, sir! No, FIVE!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:47 | 760276 mikla
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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:34 | 761152 Winston Smith 2009
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...And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O LORD, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the LORD did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu... [At this point, the friar is urged by Brother Maynard to "skip a bit, brother"]... And the LORD spoke, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:03 | 760186 Accidental Farmer
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I'm almost done with this debt based heap of idiots.  A little more planting, and a little more building, and then I'm done

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:05 | 760192 molecool
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Fucking spot on - thank you for this.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:19 | 760222 CashCowEquity
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Mole Coolio Maximus !!!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:05 | 760193 Cleanclog
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Tomorrow in America will be all about the awesome Black Friday and potential of Cyber Monday.  Consume, buy, consume - your patriotic duty AND it is all going so well.

Page 2 stories will be wikileaks and that Ireland has been saved.  No problems.  Korea?  We have our drills.  Real story is American Christmas buying - not jobs, not real growth, nothing.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:39 | 760263 1100-TACTICAL-12
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CNBS "The Consumer Is Back" all the pent up demand has made this economy turn the to you Rick Santelli...

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:06 | 760194 CashCowEquity
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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:08 | 760200 Sean7k
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Great piece. +1000

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:10 | 760205 Mark Noonan
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We do, indeed, live in the Age of Lies and you are very correct that the underlying issue is a refusal to think.  Forcing everyone to read the Summa would go a long way to cure this but, alas!, as it was written by a Christian Saint, some would get their undies in a bunch over Church/State issues.

But one must, also, not get so down about things.  We're dealing with human beings and thus we are, for the most part, dealing with well meaning people who simply haven't the time to sort it all out.  Shouting at them that they'd better stop listening to corporate fascists won't do the trick.  Better to think of new and efficient ways of getting the truth out to them.  Don't look for enemies - look for means of turning enemies in to friends or, failing that, using the enemy's mistakes against him.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:31 | 760349 Lucius Corneliu...
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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 03:00 | 760435 jeff montanye
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good point.  emphasize the second part (human ethics) of aquinas, not the first and third (the, largely, unseen god and christ).

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:18 | 763396 Mark Noonan
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But that is the part I like best!  But, I see your point - main thing is to start thinking, and getting other people to do so.  The problems of our world are all caused by people trying to get over on others...and the others allowing it to happen by failure to think things all the way through.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:10 | 760206 Timmay
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I beg to differ. In America, we are free to do whatever we wish with our money. If that means buying or leasing a BMW, so be it.


I say, to each his own.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:13 | 760210 Mark Noonan
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Indeed - but I'm thinking that instead of dropping 25 grand on a new car, why don't I drop 5 grand worth of engine and transmission in to the old car?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 09:15 | 760612 jimijon
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Don't. Buy a better used car for the 5 grand. Trust me. I did that and so did a friend. We just wasted our money. Once your trans and engine start going, it is not worth replacing.

just sayin

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:30 | 761128 LFMayor
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Yes, if you can find one.  That's what cash for clunkers was about, preventing that pawn of yours, call it thrift and frugality, from running to the end of the board and becoming a queen.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:16 | 763390 Mark Noonan
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Thanks for the tip - I'll try both, as an experiment, as both cars are getting on in years.  Whichever works out as most cost efficient will continue.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:16 | 760213 Sean7k
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Timmay, thank you for illustrating the author's thesis.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:26 | 760337 Founders Keeper
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[Timmay, thank you for illustrating the author's thesis.]---Sean7k

I think Timmay's post: [...In America, we are free to do whatever we wish with our money. If that means buying or leasing a BMW, so be it.] makes a very important point.  As Americans, we are free to lease that Beemer, instead of buying a gas efficient Prius.  Right or wrong.  My liberty includes the right to be wrong, or impractical, or fashionable, silly, egotistical, tasteless, etc.  As long as it does NOT interfere with YOUR liberties. 

I like Jim Quinn.  Have read dozens of his articles.  He's intelligent and insightful.  He's very good at what he does.  Unfortunately, it's impossible for one to be brilliant in all things.  Ideology does not appear to be Mr. Quinn's forte.  In fact, I think it perfectly escaped him (in his assessment that information is readily available to any individual who seeks it) falls under the "right wing ideology" he later chastised. 

Nevertheless, I wish I had Mr. Quinn's analytical mind. 

I'm not a big "peak oil" guy, but hey, until last year I didn't know the Bilderbergs were an actual organization.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 02:28 | 760412 Seer
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"As Americans, we are free to lease that Beemer, instead of buying a gas efficient Prius.  Right or wrong."

I'd encourage you to watch The Century of The Self (part 1:

One other thing, and that's subsidies.  Oil being highly subsidized (anyone still thinking it was about WMD needs to be locked up) might just make that BMW more affordable... NOTE: I think Priuses and the like are nothing but an extention of a failing paradigm, so don't count me in on that bandwagon (I drive a 20 year-old econo car that averages about 33 mpg).

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:35 | 760891 Sean7k
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Timmay is focusing on a single issue attempting to destroy an entire argument. The author is not against the freedom to choose. This is an article about American consumption and ignorance and our unwillingness to do anything about either.
By changing the focus, he hopes to weaken a rather strong argument. It is exactly this type of ignorance the author is clammering against.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:34 | 760252 The Grifter
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Damn straight.   This article makes some good points, but the dude who wrote it is 6 months into a car payment and talking about how smart he is.   You can talk like that after driving a car 10 years on the road with no payments, or actually having saved money for your kids college education first.   

Besides you can buy a used BMW off lease at a good price for less, and have a much better ride.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:27 | 760856 ToNYC
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JD Rockefeller ruled because he was able to perfect a monopoly on refinery. Whatever sum was channeled into owning strategic refineries in an un-regulated environment. It was all good for Corporate rights, not so very much for the environment driven to excess and 1st credit, then debt slavery

He would fcuking love it that you chose a car that runs on Premium!

Talking my book here: my 200 mile range CNG (UNLD fuel switchable)  mobile just feels like the real deal.

The need for Capital (stored real saver's income) and Freedom are inversely proportional. Shuite yourself.

It won't change, Until you do.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:41 | 760266 snowball777
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Long live the American right to be stupid!


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 08:50 | 760585 SWRichmond
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Or not.  I spent Black Friday at the range.  And I don't mean the driving range.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:37 | 760896 Sean7k
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Here's to tight patterns. Hope it was a good weekend.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:18 | 761067 SWRichmond
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It's going quite well, and I will reserve the details.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:44 | 760272 Mark Medinnus
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To each his own provided we all do it together: e pluribus unum imbecillitas.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:18 | 760322 Sespian
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Bravo! Way to show him...that he's right.  Let me guess, the BMW remarks hit too close to home?

Yep, here in America we have the right to self-delusion and the right to herd ourselves into an economic disaster of historical proportions.  Yay American Freedom!


 "Centralization produces apoplexy at the center and anemia at the extremities." -Hugo Felicite Roberto de Lamennais


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 08:31 | 760576 ibjamming
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But it's not their fault...really...just like Eve with the apple...she/we was/are being corrupted by those out for themselves...Satan/corporations.



Wed, 12/01/2010 - 03:28 | 767222 Sespian
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sure...who needs personal accountability?  That would be sooo un-American...some (talking heads) might even say unpatriotic.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 03:42 | 760467 midtowng
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I saw something unusual today.

While cutting through the parking lot of a grocery store, I saw someone with a new Nissan sedan. They had let it run while they were digging through the trash bins for food.

What is one supposed to think about that?

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:19 | 763657 heron
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Indeed.  And I think most of us are aware of the button busting pride generated by Jimmy Carter fans upon the purchase of a new hybrid.  There was even a South Park episode about it.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:12 | 760207 molecool
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"It is a choice to play Call of Duty on your PS3 rather than reading Shakespeare."

COD Black Ops logged more than 5.9 million multiplayer hours by the end of launch day, November 9. Folks, that is over 600 years worth - on the first day. Now imagine those 600 years would have been attributed to something useful or productive.

Fact is this: The majority of people are fucking dumb ass idiots who don't deserve better than to be robbed blind by the financial ruling class. They have a choice - and they decide to be who and what they are. Period.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:16 | 760216 tmosley
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I see, so you wish to rob people of their recreation.  How progressive of you.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 09:10 | 760605 MeTarzanUjane
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Molecool is a zionist let him be.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 06:28 | 760260 Incubus
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there's no idealism to be had, at any rate.


So, fuck it all.  Why try when everyone is either jaded, ignorant, or corrupt to the goddamned core? 


Maintain delusions of progress?  Mindless bullshit entertainment on some XX" HD 3D LED TV is progress?  Ipads, iphones and the other nonsense?  That is not progress -- that is mind-numbing bullshit.  And while I don't play any stupid ass military/combat simulation games, if my choice is only that of bullshit wastes of life, I'd prefer to pick what kind of bullshit I want to waste my time on--because there is no progress.  Fuck what you know about the capitalist indoctrination.  More production of JUNK--more fiat does not equal anything but spinning the goddamned wheels of civilization.

There is no progress, there's only social farms and the milking of the herd. 


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 06:27 | 760261 Incubus
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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 06:27 | 760264 Incubus
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multi-posted - edited to remove duplicate posts

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:48 | 760282 snowball777
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A few fallacies here:

a) That people don't also go see or read Shakespeare

b) That they aren't already familiar with the bard's work

c) That there isn't value in the story told by Black Ops

d) That the PS3 can't also be used for delivering Shakespeare

e) That the majority of people aren't smarter than you

f) That the people playing weren't bonding, co-workers, or biz partners

g) That having a good time is not productive (look up stress on WebMD, we'll wait)


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:50 | 760285 molecool
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Yeah sure - and pigs can fly...

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:08 | 760314 Sean7k
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and one big truth: wow, did you miss the whole point. 

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 03:11 | 760444 molecool
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I say - you hold him and I punch him...

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 02:41 | 760419 ebworthen
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Shakespeare, aiming a .308 at Lloyd Blankfein's head as he is taking a crap on his golden toilet reading "King Henry III", with every debauched bondholder and pensioner watching the spectacle on their Wii/Xbox 360/PS3 via Netflix..."Priceless"!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:35 | 760890 Oh regional Indian
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You forgot the part where he wiped his arse with FRN's, six ply to boot. SInce the man clearly enjoys pain.



Mon, 11/29/2010 - 04:21 | 760486 AnAnonymous
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Fallacies, possibly.

Yet let it straight.

Shakespeare's english is one of old fashion, that you can not read on today version.

It requires hours of training to seize the meaning. It requires training to be able to voice the verses and taste the music in them. It requires training to comprehend the historical context.

The fallacy in my book is that people can do all the things, that there is no time limit.

At one point, people have to choose to invest their free time in video games or in reading Shakespeare. Both require heavy time investments. Days are still 24 hours long. And  activities come to conflict more than often.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 10:02 | 760677 Bob
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Shakespeare's precious tomes are the Bible of intellectual dilettantes. I guess the masses are to be mocked and condemned by the cognoscenti for not appreciating caviar. 

Find me a guy that will say Branagh's Henry V doesn't rock, though. 

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 08:47 | 760583 ibjamming
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You know...a lot of those gamers ALSO own an assault rifle...and they also know tactics.  Whom will be more of a benefit if the SHTF?  Someone who can quote "The Bard" (personally never cared for him, too much work to understand, like trying to figure out a foreign accent, or making it as complicated as thanks, it may be clever, but it doesn't interest nor entertain me) or someone who has defended themselves from or hunted down actual people?  I'm making friends with the local "COD nerds" when it looks iminent.  If I remember correctly, those Columbine shooters in the school were just "COD nerds" and they shot up the place/people pretty good.  Not that I condone/approve of what thay did, they did execute it well.  For a couple of nerdy kids.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:04 | 760800 tallystick
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I'm bigger and stronger than you.  I could physically beat the shit out of you and rape you.  You could have spent time in the gym, but you're a lazy weakling. You're physically inferior to me. I guess you deserve  for me to beat  you and rape you.

Fact is this: The majority of people are weak slobs who deserve to get beaten and raped. They have a choice - and  they decide to be who and what they are. Period.


Financial oligarchs dumbed down the population  BY DESIGN!


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:42 | 761188 LFMayor
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Man!  When all you console junkies feel that the pleasure box is threatened you go to foaming weed-eater mode!  Addicts...  (said the unrepentant but former WoW head).

Pretty sure I read it on Rawles' site... take an hour a night a few times a week and do something constructive.  Like smelt wheel weights into .32 cal balls to mix with #4 in some "buck n ball" 12 gauge shells.  You know, shit like that.

Enjoy your games too, that's how you network and let off steam.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 16:41 | 762367 laughing_swordfish
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+ 100 and an UNJUNK.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:18 | 760218 Rusty Shorts
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Our Civilization Engineers will arrive and take stock of the situation...

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:35 | 760354 DavidPierre
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Black Friday, a dark day for America.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:19 | 760220 Timmay
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I agree, I bought a car but got a used one at less than half the MSRP when it was new. It had 19,000 miles on it.


Let's take this article to a logical conclusion, Why save $450 to send your kids to college? WHAT College? What will they "learn" there? The same propaganda crap that we are railing against now?

IF you like cars and like driving them, then why not get the most bang for your buck NOW, before the dollar gets flushed down the toilet, Germany leaves the EU, and the Chinese market becomes the predominant export for one of Germany's finest products?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:44 | 760273 High Plains Drifter
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Not only this, but heck, the amount college cost nowadays is staggering. This is why they are doing the old college loan slavery program right now, so they start off in life heavily indebted to you know who, not to mention the fact that there are no jobs for them anymore except in the military industrial complex.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:00 | 760301 Shameful
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The rate of increase is the real eye popper. My alma mater doubled their tuition rate since I graduated...about 3 years ago. Doubled...yeah there is totally no cost inflation. Oh and looks like more increases in the pipe.

We are told our only route to a middle class life is through education. To get that education we have to go into debt slavery, stripping us of the ability to have the middle class lifestyle. I long for the day the student loan system dies and colleges will be forced to charge a sane tuition.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 02:40 | 760422 ebworthen
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Take out gub'ment loan for the whole degree that you never intend to pay back, since all loans go through Uncle Spam anyways.  Take job overseas and never look back.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 08:50 | 760586 ibjamming
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THAT sir is EXACTLY what's wrong with us!  EVERYONE is looking to get something for free.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 13:02 | 761260 RKDS
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Aren't businesspeople who demand this expensive degree and then cry about the cost of American labor also looking to get something for free?  Sorry to say but getting a BS and staying in the US is looking more and more like a sucker's game all the time.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:20 | 760223 Green Leader
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"Our culture is built upon consumption, debt, cheap oil and illusion."

Topic sentence.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:20 | 760225 Timmay
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Shakespeare and Call of Duty are both diversions.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:56 | 760296 SoCalBusted
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But CoD seems to have more practical application in the near term.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 02:48 | 760428 robertocarlos
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I know that I could make this world so peaceful and calm,

If only I could get my hands on a hydrogen bomb.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:56 | 760372 Adam Neira
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Shakespeare uses less bandwith.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 08:58 | 760594 CR Bill
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Shakespeare and Call of Duty are both diversions.


then try 1984 and Animal Farm, learn something about your present condition (both written over 50 years ago)


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:23 | 760231 amanfromMars
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Posted by AmanfromMars on 11/28/2010 11:09:33 PM

The Abiding Fundamental MetaDataBase Dilemma.

Whenever Unlimited Funds are Conjured from Nothing, why Loans with Predatory Punitive Interest rather than Gifts to Driver Enterprise and SMARTer Enabled Entrepreneur Ships ........ Cosmic Intelligence Vessels for Global Operating Devices.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:25 | 760238 Nat Turner
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I'm not buying a goddamn thing this Christmas. This past quarter was one of the best for corporations, and the worst for me personally. I'm not participating in this lie any longer.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:52 | 760288 molecool
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Good for you!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 09:25 | 760630 MeTarzanUjane
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Why not "buy" yourself a little gift.

Many in the US believe in the notion of multiculturalism. Afterall is it not what has made America great?

The ability to cross the borders that define those cultures is a great freedom. Use it to your advantage.

Stuck in a quagmire? Where policy has rubbed deep to expose bare nerves. Explore your options and be proactive. It will be the greatest purchase that you have ever made.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:13 | 760818 GoinFawr
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The first comment (I've seen) of any real value you've posted on ZH so far ujane, please continue.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:10 | 761032 RockyRacoon
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Weird, huh?  The clouds must have parted for this one ray of lucid sunshine.

I, too, would like to hear more of the same from the jungle dweller.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:45 | 761202 MeTarzanUjane
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Oh really?! I'm so excited! I wonder what my score was from Kerry Ann Inaba?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 13:22 | 761323 RockyRacoon
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That's about as close as you'll get to a compliment from the old Coon.

Languish in it and enjoy the moment.

I'm not sure who Kerry Ann Inaba is....  Google shows her to be an insignificant blip on the commercial TV landscape.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 13:47 | 761426 GoinFawr
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"The first comment (I've seen) of any real value you've posted on ZH so far ujane, please continue."

Well, that didn't last long.

Colour me Jack's utter lack of surprise.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 13:04 | 761272 RKDS
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I took a different path and did my damndest to not buy anything imported for Christmas this year and only slipped once.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:26 | 760239 ILikeBoats
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I remain unconvinced about PeakOil, however the rest of the article rings very true to me. 

Nephews and nieces look down on my fully paid for 35mpg Toyota with 160K miles; soon to be replaced by a low-end Chevy Equinox that will get high-20s to low-30s despite giving me more much-needed cargo room; which will also be paid off at a decently low rate of interest and, properly taken care of should last to 150K miles or more. 

What did niece #1, E4 or E5 in the US Army buy - off lease 2009 BMW 3 series.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 02:00 | 760380 Adam Neira
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Peak oil is a myth.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 03:38 | 760461 StychoKiller
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Is the surface of a planet the right place for an expanding
technological civilization?

Check your premises.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 09:28 | 760633 MeTarzanUjane
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Adam's got an app for that.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:26 | 760240 docmac324
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Local mall is jammed packed.  Shuttles available for parking 2,3 + blocks away. Even traffic lights are configured to let you in, but not let you out.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:35 | 760255 Timmay
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This guy is a clown. Save money on gas when it is 5$ gallon eh? What happens when all the smart people buy electric cars and plug them in at night? Electric costs going down??


Yes, BMW is delusional for SOME. Honda Hybrid is practical for SOME. 


I have no doubt we have lived a lie and though we were "rich" when all we were was in debt. Yes, ALL of Europe is waking up to that fact as well. 

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:36 | 760256 steveo
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I posted up a Boatload of Charts for those interested, lots of new posts so please scroll down as needed.

Also posted a funny "What's wrong with the world today" piece, please add to it.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:54 | 760289 molecool
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So, you spam here now too? ;-)

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:51 | 760368 dnarby
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Lay off Steveo, he's OK.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:37 | 760257 minus dog
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"You are nothing but a blot to corporations and advertisers selling you electronic doohickeys that they convince you that you must have. "

The irony is that a lot of people do need a lot of doohickeys... but the things they need are things that guarantee their supply of food, heat, transport, clean water, etc., not the latest gizmo from Apple, movie tickets, or another case of Ho-Ho's.  The average American has a lot of crap, but little of what really matters.

"Americans are so committed to their automobiles,"

Do not forget that this is not Europe.  For a large chunk of the population there is no mass transit alternative for day to day transit, and even if there was you can't replace a work truck with a transit bus or high speed rail.  Point to a plug-in full size pickup with a 400+ mile range, and then we can have a serious conversation.  A Prius, Volt, or Leaf is utterly useless to me and about 80% of the people I know.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 03:40 | 760465 StychoKiller
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Can't see lugging 4'x8' sheets of drywall on a car! :>D

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 06:25 | 760531 scatterbrains
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or a couple of front end loader buckets full of horse shit for the survival garden for that matter.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 09:40 | 760649 MeTarzanUjane
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Very acidic try the cow.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:29 | 760846 GoinFawr
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"Can't see lugging..."

Well-trained asses with blinders never see anything but where the reins coerce them to look...

"Keep them dogies rollin'..."

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 00:41 | 760267 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Huxley never impressed me as a writer or a thinker.  He was a globalist, and his quotes rub dirt in the face of peoples everywhere.  But this post has a point, a good one.  We were given our chances; to make amends, to right our wrongs, to give justice a place in history.  We chose the other path, a path taken many times in our history.

For those that say history repeats itself, remember, history may have repeated itself, but it does not have to.  The past is set in stone, but we can always leave it and move to the road seldom walked.  In fact we must, or we wash rinse and repeat.  The future does not yet exist, and we will make it.  So how should we make our future?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:34 | 760352 Oh regional Indian
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Not so hard to take the road less traveled.

In fact, and I can attest to it, it can be a lot of eye-opening, mind-popping, paradigm busting fun!



Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:49 | 760365 Adam Neira
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Did you know that Aldous Huxley died just hours before JFK was shot ? His wife injected him with a large dose of LSD to see him off into the netherworld.

"Island" is his antidote to the dystopian "Brave New World". He was a great thinker and brilliant writer. Everyone should read both these books.

I can hear the mynah birds right now..."Attention ! Attention !"


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 02:30 | 760415 robertocarlos
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We read Brave New World in HS. I also read Eyeless In Gaza but I can't remember it right now. I know I liked it.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 03:42 | 760468 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Brave New World is a horrible read.  His speeches are nearer to Greenspan lectures than anything notable.  Huxley believed only elites such as himself should be able to use LSD; he felt his un equals would not understand its effects and thus waste time, like he knows anything of time.  Time is work, and he was born globalist spoon fed.  Also, I will add, his grandfather, TH Huxley, perpetrated one of the biggest lies ever known to man-the "science" of Darwinism.  It pushed humans to believe in "survival of the fittest" and worked perfectly in tandem with Manifest Destiny by promoting selfish behavior.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 08:47 | 760572 Mercury
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Selfish behavior doesn't need much promotion and 'Survival of the Fittest' doesn't necessarily mean survival of the strongest or most aggressive.  For human beings right now the "fittest" will probably turn out to be those people or groups of people that crank out the most babies and suck up the most resources from Western welfare states.  Check out recent demographic trends.

'Brave New World' may have it's faults but I find it hard not to deploy the term 'Epsilon' in a derogatory manner on an almost daily basis.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:07 | 761016 tallystick
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Ever read Kurzweil?  Some would say elites are trying to create two seperate species of humans.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:45 | 760884 GoinFawr
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"Brave New World is a horrible read."

Yeah, I'd have to say that is entirely a matter of opinion.

So before anyone takes this denigrating 'review' of Huxley seriously, I recommend you take a shot at "Brave New World" yourself.

You just might find yourself wholeheartedly disagreeing with LH.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 16:52 | 762438 laughing_swordfish
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If "Brave New World" is a little tough for you, try "Island" or "Eyeless In Gaza" - both great reads.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:23 | 761092 trav7777
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JFC, you start with an assessment of BNW, which is a fine piece of literature, a true classic, and then buttress it with an ad hominem screed against Huxley and his fuckin GRANDFATHER?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:34 | 763294 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Brave New World was drivel, he couldn't hold a pen.  He used ideas suggested to him by friends to come upon a story where everyone does drugs and fucks- the future.  No shit that is what would happen in the future!  Easy credit on easy oil and what you think will happen?!And he is a horrible writer.  He lacks imagination, and his detail is filthy.

Huxley was pop culture at best.  He is pulp fiction, and his work wasn't mysterious in the least.  BLAH.

TH Huxley was a con man and an "elitist" (muah) of the highest degree.  I was pointing out the obvious, that Aldous ran in this circle from a young age.  His only insight was from the Eugenists themselves.

Who the fuck cares anyway.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 01:48 | 763821 GoinFawr
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Yah, the detail in Lord of the Rings kicks Brave New World's ass. And the allegory, oh ghod the allegory!


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