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Guest Post: More Forensic Evidence Of Gold & Silver Price Manipulation

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Wed, 09/22/2010 - 09:45 | 596966 Horatio Beanblower
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Great analysis, Adrian.

 

CNBS: Orange juice is up!  Take that, gold!

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 10:58 | 597213 B9K9
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Sort of OT, but does dovetail somewhat into the topic of gold and the doomed $USD. I regret not getting a chance to reply to this comment by Shameful on a now stale thread:

I disagree about the importance of the USD. (In terms of maintaining power - the power-elite can simply change hosts. ed)

 

Big changes in society just don't happen without chaos. 

 

I'm inclined to think that real money would be made by riding the new empire on the way up, or sell the empire on the decline.

Excellent observations - I feel like the 'real' conversation (that is, the end of the $USD, USA empire & identifying new areas of opportunity) is finally moving in the proper direction, and regret not having a chance to reply last night.

First of all, nobody likes change. That includes the Fed and the power-elite who are quite comfortable with the present status quo supported by the $USD. That's why so many people mistaken think/thought QE is/was an attempt to actually liquidate insolvent institutions and monetize the debt.

Nothing could be further from the truth! First of all, from a logical standpoint, at a 5/95 ratio, they could never hope to create enough new base money to offset the huge leveraged balance of private credit. So QE really was all about re-charging organic credit growth; hence the stock market run-up, gold suppression, endless propaganda, etc.

OK, so the power-elite tried to restore their present position underlying the $USD, but failed. What next? Well, this gets back to your observations: does one short the failing empire and/or go long the new, emerging empire? I would suggest both.

Domestically, it is clear (at least to me) that the Fed.gov is going to once again take over base money creation and regulate private credit. They will need to do this just to keep government running - if the Fed doesn't go along, then they'll just usurp the present function (Trav7777 portrayed it as parking tanks outside) or create a new greenback.

Either way is highly inflationary; actually it's hyper-inflationary, hence gold. And as you state, it won't be a smooth transition, rather it will be all out civil war, which explains my admonishment to "get out now". As to the Fed, I would imagine they have this completely game played - I mean, I always laugh when someone postulates they don't know what's going on.

So, as to option two, going long the new emerging empire, this is clearly China. The power-elite, while certainly comfortable in the present host (USA), have thousands of years of experience in these kinds of situations - they can read the signs. They are not going to want to be around when the SHTF + they want to get in on the ground floor of the new powerful host.

Quick recap:

The $USD is not critical to the equation underpinning the imperative of constant loan growth. Any monetary vehicle can do, but it's still hell even for the power-elite to get off their duffs and make the move.

Transition isn't clean - rather, it entails choas and perhaps civil war. Do you really want to be around when this fucker explodes? The US has been suppressing building class, race & regional resentments for decades. The blow off is going to be epic.

Ride the short ($USD) - go long gold. Ride the long - go long China.

 

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:47 | 597383 LowProfile
Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:06 | 597813 fiddler_on_the_roof
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good read. I agree with your "Ride the short ($USD) - go long gold. Ride the long - go long China", but I would not go short USD now, wait till Jan 2011. I expect some fireworks, though I could be wrong.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:22 | 597297 Diogenes
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"Orange juice is up!"

 

But sugar is down! Someone is manipulating the marmalade spread!

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:45 | 597375 SGTbull07
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Here's Adrian Douglas in his own words:

MUST WATCH:  The Curious Case For $936 Ounce Silver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bru2tVghbqw

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 13:05 | 597653 JLee2027
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+++

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 09:47 | 596979 Troy Ounce
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Can I safely assume that september 14th was the date the cartel started pissing on their shoes?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:29 | 597319 Ripped Chunk
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LMBA is being raided of physical gold. Jim Willie of GoldenJackass.com has a recent interview with "On the Edge" with Max Keiser where he talks about some of the background battles that are heating up in the bullion world.

Here's the 3 part interview:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDuZmmz3dqg

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OLyLifIkts

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaWi5heq5mw

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 09:47 | 596980 wafflehead
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with the price of gold skyrocketing i cant even wear my gold chain anymore. I am afraid of getting robbed at gun point

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 09:50 | 596991 Horatio Beanblower
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Mr T is now living inside Ft. Knox.  Mr T IS the gold standard.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 10:38 | 597143 JJ McApe
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rofl

good one

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:29 | 597323 Ripped Chunk
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I pity the fool........

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 10:21 | 597089 kathy.chamberli...
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do U think?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 12:16 | 597502 Attitude_Check
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Why do you seem to have to be such an as**ole?  Sometimes you actually have intelligent comments, and then you make dumb-ass comments like this.  What is your problem - forget to take your meds sometimes?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:26 | 597877 kathy.chamberli...
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you know i have never been an ahole before, starting to like it actually. i am telling people off in the street that try and approach me to sell/sign/solicit something to me. stop harassing me. i don't have to talk to you and i don't want you to talk to me, so there.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 14:09 | 597818 fiddler_on_the_roof
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In India Gold chain snatching, I believe has gone up atleast 1000% since last 2 years. Now women folks are turning to Rold Gold chains.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 09:47 | 596983 wiskeyrunner
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The low overnight in the Dow Mini Futures was near 10650, so we will rise to 10750 before 3:15pm cst. Just watch and see. With out fail it moves 100 points a day 99% of the time.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 09:57 | 597017 hdunn2
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of course. Not Dow, but got a good laugh at the q's this am. We had adobe and a few other negative headlines, come into the open down half a %, AAPL proceeds to rip up and carries the q's into positive territory. 

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 09:47 | 596984 scratch_and_sniff
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Anyone know if the POMO is expected to be significant today?...last one was huge, are they likely to repeat that in a hurry?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 09:48 | 596985 fiftybagger
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Wed, 09/22/2010 - 10:20 | 597084 A_MacLaren
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+25 ($)

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:14 | 597276 SWRichmond
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http://www.zerohedge.com/article/matterhorn-asset-management-sets-three-...

"When silver hits $25.00 I'm sending Blythe Masters a thank-you note."

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 09:51 | 596992 Horatio Beanblower
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"JP Morg & Friends" ARE the government.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:58 | 597427 DaveyJones
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mission accomplished

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 19:05 | 598736 mrgneiss
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Ted K you're an embarrassment to Zero Hedge.  Go back to the Yahoo financial blog.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 19:09 | 598744 mrgneiss
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Ah, my fault!  I didn't know the junk level had been raised to 50!

I thought it was just infinite now.  Now that JB is gone maybe 20 will be more than enough.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 09:58 | 597012 Turd Ferguson
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Wow, Theodore. Do you get tired of having to clean the sand from your ears and eyelids every day?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 10:11 | 597067 EscapeKey
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No, and the Fed MOST CERTAINLY don't artificially support the FREE MARKETS either.

 

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 10:32 | 597128 A_MacLaren
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Drink some coffee and read or listen to the words of Central Bankstas.

 

Paul Volker:

"It was probably a mistake to allow gold to rise so high."

"Letting gold go to $850 was a mistake."

 

Alan Greenspan on gold:

“... is the canary in the coal mine. It signals problems with respect to currency markets.”

 

Debt-based-Fiatistas know their time is coming to an end.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 10:52 | 597194 truont
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Alan Greenspan in 1998:  “Central banks stand ready to lease gold in increasing quantities should the price rise.”

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:56 | 597415 A_MacLaren
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Thanks for adding.  I knew that one had been spoken in the past, but couldn't summon the quote.

Here's another gem:

“The last duty of a central banker is to tell the public the truth.”
Alan Blinder, Vice Chairman of the Federal Reserve
… stated on PBS’s Nightly Business Report

So when Ben Bernanke says:

“Well, the signal that gold is sending is in some ways very different from what other asset prices are sending. For example, the spread between nominal and inflation index bonds remains quite low, suggesting just 2% inflation over the next 10 years. Other commodity prices have fallen recently quite severely including oil prices and food prices. So gold is out there doing something different from the rest of the commodity group. I don’t fully understand the movements in the gold price, but I do think there’s a great deal of uncertainty and anxiety in financial markets right now and some people believe that holding gold will be a hedge against the fact that they view many other investments as being risky and hard to predict at this point.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SsPu1I_1po&feature=player_embedded

Either he is being disingenuous, or he is the CONfidence Fiatista's Fiatista

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 10:51 | 597191 tmosley
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Wow, in the face of overwhelming evidence of manipulation, this is hte best you can come up with?  Handwaving!  

Now, if the correlation was perfect and had never changed, then one might have said that it was natural, but with one sudden change like that in the face of no structural change in the market, it looks totally artificial.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 10:54 | 597196 RockyRacoon
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I junked you because you are stupid.

You have learned nothing here after 1 year 11 weeks.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:37 | 597264 Cognitive Dissonance
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Some people have nothing to learn because they know everything. Rock solid beliefs and conviction of purpose works wonderfully when charging machine gun nests and looking in the mirror.

Hum, who is that handsome raccoon? :>)

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:52 | 597401 NotApplicable
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For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible. -- Anon.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 18:09 | 598608 iDealMeat
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+1 to you Coon..  Claiming your junks is admirable.

Thu, 09/23/2010 - 23:05 | 601481 RockyRacoon
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I never junk 'n' run.  It's only polite.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 15:48 | 597334 Ripped Chunk
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Ted is on his way to 40 junks. Anybody? Anyone? Bueller?

Later:  He's at 45 can we see 50?  50 anyone?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:39 | 597345 DaveyJones
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Ted Kennedy is back from the dead! No wonder the statement makes no sense. Ted, now that you're "off limits," can I ask you something about Chappaquiddick? 

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:50 | 597392 Justibone
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Gov't and big banking interests are correlated, with a p-value well north of .95, if one were to put a number on it.

New gov't (ditch the elitist scum) and watch for a gov't-bank decoupling.  Future-woot!

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 12:44 | 597598 Confuchius
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To Ted K;

 

Perhaps you might take the bag off your head once a year...

 

Tell us all you know about government intervention...

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 15:21 | 598078 JohnG
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Riiiiight.

You should give up trading and go help some more retarded persons.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 09:51 | 596994 Turd Ferguson
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Again, Adrian provides great, great stuff. I waited and waited however to get to the crux of the matter and here it is:

"Forward sales of silver through the LBMA OTC London market are approximately 8.5 Billion ozs. This is almost all the entire global reserves of silver that are yet to be mined! But the silver miners who own the remaining reserves are unhedged, so who ever has sold 8.5 billion ozs of silver forward by inference does not own 8.5 billion ozs of silver. It is a naked short position of 11 years of global production."

This is the moment folks like Adrian and Harvey have been waiting for. The Comex is broken. It is shattering into 8.5 billion little pieces. If...and its truly a big if...the silver comex can forestall a collapse this month, they will only be postponing the inevitable. If not now, then November.

Do not monkey around with this. Awareness of the massive fraud that is the Comex will have global financial implications. Buy physical. Buy miners, they will surely move swiftly forward, too.


Wed, 09/22/2010 - 10:23 | 597097 kathy.chamberli...
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is Adrian, a boy or a girl?

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 11:05 | 597248 BearOfNH
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Adrian is normally the male spelling. My sister uses Adrienne (OK it was actually her parents who spelled it that way, but they were educated).

 

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 17:33 | 598528 Al Gorerhythm
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Why? Do you want to trade fashion tips? 

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 17:53 | 598570 kathy.chamberli...
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no, i like to interrupt female or male writer. cause yves smith was on MAX KEISER last night. i didn't listen to them, cause i like to watch how M A X talks with his hands. he is very articulate fluently with hand gestures. so does stacy. i like to see that, passion in the words that speak and meaning coming from both hands and mouth. i didn't like yves hair up, though. she is pretty.

not like some people, i know†

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 17:58 | 598581 Al Gorerhythm
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I rest my case.

Wed, 09/22/2010 - 19:07 | 598738 mrgneiss
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Like your new avatar, Kath.

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