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Show some respect.
Obviously, he was a troubled man. I prefer to at least express some compassion in understanding that I don't know and can't comprehend his mental state. I do believe that some mental illnesses are truly that.
Bringing back on point to ZH, I make a distinction between troubled people trying to get by, and the tyrants who know what they do when they steal from the people in plain sight.
You are right.
Adivse, stay out of the law system and mental health system. Once you check in you can never leave.
I wish he had started a blog instead of a fire.
It might have done him, as well as some others good.
they're generally referred to as MRA's (mens rights advocates), this mans story is only exceptional in the fact that he killed himself with fire, and wrote a final statement which so clearly outlined why. there are many blogs by men in similiar circumstances.
After trying to read the content of the article, I'm so emotionally exhausted that I can't do my ordinary read of the comment section. So the guy was fucked up. He also made many specific references to what led him to the point at which he decided to fight against the regime in a way that was much more courageous than a punk assed, CIA coached, suicide bomber.
If there is a heaven, and I happen to get there, I hope that I get to meet this guy.
As a shrink who has worked in the public sector with indigents and those with medicaid medicare and shitty hmo insurance I can assure you we are overworked and always looking for an excuse to drop someone from the clinic or kick them out of the hospital. We are overworked. That is why you always hear of the crazies having been briefly seen by someone then dropped from care right before they do something stupid.
It is easy to get out and stay out of the mental health system if you quit doing stupid shit that attracts the courts and the police.
Surprisingly many people cant stop doing stupid shit. I guess that is why we call them crazy
Tell that to his widow. She picked up the phone.
Sounds to me like a small matter that could have been handled privately.
Or he may have neglected to mention, in his final 'jesus christ pose' manifesto, that it wasn't the first time that he'd hit his kids and wife.
Do you know that for a fact, or are you just making it up?
If you're just making it up, what's your reason?
You seem to know more about this than anybody else...
Simple application of Occam's razor. It it more likely that he went too far too many times and his wife was actually doing the right thing to protect her kids or that she called the cops on him spontaneously or for spite on the first instance of what sane people call child abuse? Either way...he hit his kid, gave up on his marriage, and didn't live up to his responsibilities as a father. As a father, I know this is not a situation that I will ever have to deal with in my home.
.he hit his kid, gave up on his marriage, and didn't live up to his responsibilities as a father
That's lunacy. Do you hear yourself speaking? Kookville!
You cannot "give up" your marriage (it's for life, forever) or your responsibilities as a father. Period.
As a father, I know this is not a situation that I will everhave to deal with in my home.
That statement right there gave you away. You aren't a father. You are a woman.
Insanity is a perfectly rational response to an insane world...
That was another shrinks somewhat more empathetic view. Oh I'm sorry, you are over-worked, all is forgiven.
As a shrink who has worked in the public sector...
Fucking BS. You're the stupid shit.
Many mental health workers have targets to meet for referring people to the police, or keeping people locked up because it makes their employers money - especially prisons and asylums. New York is especially bad for that, they lock up ten times as many people as most US states.
I've had friends who worked in mental health. They tell me that you can pretty much pin a diagnosis of something serious on anyone, if you're creative. Once it's on file - it's there for ever. Good luck removing it, no matter how batshit it is. They told me about one guy who'd been diagnosed by their department head as 'mentally retarded', despite having coming top of his class at university and having a masters degree. He'll never get that 'expunged', and if any court requests his medical records, it can be used against him. You couldn't make it up.
And they told me that the list of psychiatric 'illnesses' keeps growing as big pharma thinks up new uses for its drugs, ever growing its market. Witness the explosion in ritalin and prozac. Psychiatrists are happy to prescribe away. It keeps the industry nice and big.
Many psychiatrists paid for the people they have on their books, or who they refer on to 'treatment'. Many make batshit decisions. I mean, thirty years ago, some cunt psychiatrist would have told a gay person, with absolute arrogant confidence, that their homosexuality was a mental illness. Remember 'hysteria'? That used to be a psychiatric diagnosis, but you could only get it if you were a chick, as it was your womb that caused it, you see. Jesus Christ, lots of psychiatrists believe in Jung's magical 'collective unconscious'! It's so far from science, it's not funny.
Radovan Karadic? Phychiatrist. The Fort Hood killer? Psyhiatrist. Jung? Paid up, senior, active Nazi party member.
The poor bastard who burned himself - I take it on face value that he was right, and he was getting royally fucked by some ego-tripping fucktards.
What page of the DSMMD did you learn that from? Please enlighten us some more with your sanity. I personally wouldn't call what you do "care" as you put it. I'm sure you have good intentions though, right? Sorry you feel you are over-worked. Try taking a break from the carousel ride once in a while for a dose of reality. That might help. Do they mention the word "soul" in your profession's bible? I suggest you feed yours from time to time.
Is that from "Hotel California"???
God Bless the Man!!!
He served the Country for 21 years!
He was fed to the system, which is nothing more than a HUGE money maker for the State and all of those $200k a year Judges!
He fought for his Rights! He educated himself only to be run over by little dicked egos!
This Man is a HERO! for sharing the knowledge and completing what he was capable of completing in the face of a mountain of Lies created to keep him a captive of the Judical Money Machine.
I will say that it will be nice when people stop hurting themselves and opt for hurting those that have hurt them.
But other than that.. what are we shorting next week! gotta feed the family and work on the pension! I can NOT! wait for the system to come crashing down around you fucks that have ignored this issue for the last 30 - 40 years! I wish I could savor the moments that it sets in for each and everyone of you fucking cowards!
"I will say that it will be nice when people stop hurting themselves and opt for hurting those that have hurt them."
Exactly. Seriously, if you are going to off yourself, take a few good targets with you.
This person was NOT a hero, nor did he behave like a mature man. He was a loser who hit his 4 year old daughter in the face when she tried to show him affection by licking his hand. He then went on to ruin his life and the life of his family because he could not admit that he was the one with a problem. I for one am glad he did not harm anyone else when he ended his worthless life.
and how many of years of your life were dedicated to keeping this country secure? whether you like what the army does or who runs the army.. it was a selfless act of service for 21 fucking years of his life.. someone should cut your fucking fingers off for typing that shit you fucking pinko, commie, tree huggin, anti-violence tripin, moron! you sitting on your hands doing nothing but smoking weed and bitching about how the man holds you down has not slowed the man's progress. you are worthless to your coward self anf one better worthless to your fellow man!
The guy was a Hero, if only for his selfless service alone!
It seems that JW has some anger issues. Heh.
One match short of a BBQ perhaps??
Fuck 1183 and WhoDammit. Which one of you is Dave Duerson's wife? (oops-- widow)
Nah, JW is perfectly fine.
You're the one who has anger issues- namely, you're too dimwitted to see that you *should* be righteously angry.
Come on people stop feeding the troll, please. and Thank you.
and how many of years of your life were dedicated to keeping this country secure? whether you like what the army does or who runs the army.. it was a selfless act of service for 21 fucking years of his life..
21 years keeping this country secure? Selfless service?
That's insanity if I ever heard it.
How do you know the licking was due to affection? Where you there?
More likely than not, the licking was done as a sign of disrespect or to degrade her father sexually.
She deserved what she got and now her father is dead - all traceable back to her.
What an IDIOT comment. Degrade her father sexually? GOOD FUCKING GRIEF. I have 4 year old and she likes to lick me on occasion. Kids are very tactile. They are also very powerless. And they know licking BUGS us. Put that all together and kids like to lick. Traceable to the HER? CHILDREN ARE NEVER RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ADULT PARENTS BEHAVIOR. EVER. Not, at least for one so young.
A voice of reason.
That is a flat-out load of crap.
I have a four year old- she can be irritating sometimes, but there is no doubt at all that she is not even remotely capable of attempting to degrade someone sexually. She doesn't even know what the F*** that means.
WD: Fuck you
This is correct. I have had times in my life where I have spun massive yarns to explain away a mistake I have made and it always ended in me blaming a large unbeatable system.
If you have the fury and the fire inside you don't hit a four year old girl, do your homework and make your violence count. There are plenty of guilty people in this world and if thats your fate, to be violent then do it with purpose.
So many acts of violence and terror are randomly directed and end up killing or hurting innocents. We have leadership that brought us into Iraq resulting in the deaths of soldiers and innocent Iraqi's, we have bankers that are pushing people to extreme levels of poverty, we have judges that rule in favor of the guilty.
Why not use your violent energy to forcibly arrest them and take them to jail in a symbolic citizens arrest? You will be the one arrested and prosecuted but you will make a strong sacrificial point. Why not attack a mob boss? Go find al zawahiri and collect the reward and start a charity (thats a tough one).
Blaming blaming blaming and then burning yourself is a waste. Design your violence, think it through so it is spent wisely.
JW, this is just a preview of things to come. Probably the hardest thing for most folks to deal with in this destruction of the family and the middle class that's been happening for the last 30 years or so is the crushing of the belief system they have built their lives around.
When you come to the realization that most, if not all, of your beliefs were nothing more than propaganda foisted on you by those trying to control you or an attempt to take your hard earned money in exchange for some worthless crap, it can make you crazy.
I've been amazed for several decades now that there hasn't been more shoot outs in family court than there has been.
What do you mean he served his country for 21 years?
Seems to me, he served the very douchebags that made the system the way it is, which helped put him in the situation he was in.
I get real tired of all the "he was a brave man who served his country" flag wavin' chest pounding BS. How about serving your own interests and let the politicians send their own kids to fight their battles? Theres a novel idea.
The last war were involved in where you can even remotely say a soldier "served his country" was WWII. The rest were bullshit, at the very least.
I do feel for the guy and the situation he was in, but it has nothing to do with the fact he was a soldier. He was a human being. Thats all it takes.
Served his country indeed........... yee-haw!!!
SilverFish, I think the coming social troubles will demonstrate clearly just how patriotic soldiers and police men really are...
Well, if things get bad enough, the govt wont be paying them and they will no longer be professional soldiers and policemen. Which is fine with me. People should serve their own best interests, soldier or not, policeman or not, instead of serving a government that disconnected itself from the people 50 years ago or more.
Doesn't take a title to make a man. He is what he is whether he has a uniform on or not. Bravery and toughness, patriotism and loyalty are just words that sound nice until they are truly put to the test. My guess, you'll have just as many non-soldiers and non-policemen showing bravery in hard times as you will paid ones.
In my eyes, those are the true patriots, not some guy that gets his paycheck from the government to do their bidding for them, like a dog that comes when you snap your fingers at him.
The "people" that run the system are diseased to the point of soullessness. They deserve every torment that Hell holds for them.
In their adherence to the motto "Profits before people or planet" they have not only shit where they eat, they've shit where everyone eats.
As for you subhuman invertibrates continuously bleating, "but what about the CHEEEEELDREN," try reading the whole article. He was found not guilty of abuse, but you don't care about that. All you know is that some "official" somewhere said he was a bad man to a child, so therefore he must be crucified. Of course, you'll ignore all evidence indicating that this system is fucking the children in every way. You sanctimonious parasites make me sick. You are the lowest scum from the ocean floor, and when the system crumbles, your only potential contribution to what follows will be as compost.
I, too, gleefully anticipate the imminent collapse of the entire corrupt system. Life won't be easier, but it will be far more dignified.
"You are the lowest scum from the ocean floor, and when the system crumbles, your only potential contribution to what follows will be as compost."
I like that, i'll have to remember that one for my repertoire.
Fourth Stooge, well said. Listen, I just moved my office from NH and moved my home several years ago.
If some of you people actually understood what the family courts in New Hampshire have done to fathers you would not be so quick to judge this man. He is a hero. The punishment doesn't fit the crime for Sgt. Balls slap to his daughters face.
If you are a man in NH, you are a major target of the police state for the family law racketeering. Of course, the police beat on both men AND women in New Hampshire. But once in the family courts and your a father a common outcome is not seeing your kids for a year and if you oppose like Sgt. Ball did you wind being crucified. It lasts years and years.
The gender bias and social revenge is out of control. My ex-wife lied in Superior Court in Concord. That is called perjory. But the 'gentle' marital master let her get away with it. For nine years of my sons life, my ex who is a LPN ($18-$22) per hr job paid me no support. Every time she had built up support, she would make up a bogus charge ex-parte. Instant custody, my temporary support payments offsetting what she owed. I had support lowered to $25 a week to avoid the hassle but ex still did it again. A total of three times this happened. And each time she would claim she wasn't working so I had to pay for the Guardian Ad-Litem to investigate myself!
That this happened with Sgt. Ball immolating himself is no surprise to me at all. New Hampshire seemed like one of the trial-balloon states for an American police state. At one time, it was a near perfect place to live and conduct business.
Obviously, he was a troubled man.
NO....he was a man trapped by a troubled system. The system is broken. If you haven't raised a family and been through that hellish system of DV, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Umm...I specifically did not reference what I thought he was troubled by. And, by definition, I cannot. My statement was a generic one - that I cannot know a man's mind because I do/did not walk in his shoes.
My sense is that we largely agree, and therefore there's not as much difference then you perceived.
I comment on this because I sometimes get the sense that the ZH comment board has become more angry over the last few months. Not that I don't think a good argument is worth it. But comments (many from trolls) like the one at the top (which hopefully will be gone soon) are a detraction from the information dissemination and discussion medium of ZH. Your comment, as an example and in my interpretation, sought the difference(s) between us, instead of merely informing me of your opinion, or attempting to bring us together. But, from your comment, we likely share more about this topic then disagree.
Just some thoughts - trying to bring us together where applicable (to form a community of 'learners' and 'actors').
Perhaps CD should write an article about the ZH comment section... ;)
Thanks for a very insightful, and more importantly, constructive comment. Been reading zh since mar 09. Never thought I'd get massive junk for opposing child abuse. What happened to intelligent discourse
We all oppose child abuse. But what is child abuse? The government says any injury. But that's horseshit.
The problem is the Government trying to tell you what is wrong and playing parent. That's not their job. Only God can judge you wrong, not the Government. So pray for guidance and protection and raise your children according to his laws, not theirs.
Spare the rod and spoil the child and you end up with an undisciplined child who is a disaster. The government won't care, but you will and so will God hold you accountable.
And not just telling you what's wrong, but also determining guilt, determining the punishment, and then administering said 'justice'.
slapping is not abuse.
It was a 4 year old girl you fucking tools.
What part of that do you fail to understand?
Slapping a 4 year old girl in the face hard enough to bust her lip ABSOLUTELY IS FUCKING ABUSE.
He was found not guilty of abuse. What part of that don't you understand, skidmark?
Maybe he doesn't understand all the stupid posts excusing this guy's behavior, sparky?
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