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From Jim Quinn At The Burning Platform

New Hampshire Man Burns Self At Courthouse In Protest

A New Hampshire man burned himself to death in front of a
courthouse. The specific reasons are individual to him, regarding a
domestic violence arrest and prosecution. But the larger reason he
killed himself is that he says the system no longer follows the Rule of
Law. Once you read past the details, he gives a fascinating analysis of
the system. He argues for a complete takedown of the Federal Government
and starting over from scratch.

He may be an example of what is to come - people throwing themselves violently up against the system in order to bring it down.

It's fifteen pages. Longer than Joe Stack's. But much shorter than the Obamacare bill.

Here is the link:
 http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/last-statement-sent-to-sentinel-from-self-immolation-victim/article_cd181c8e-983b-11e0-a559-001cc4c03286.html

Editor’s note: On Thursday morning, June 16, The Sentinel received a
“last statement” via mail from a man who insinuated that he planned to
set himself on fire in front of the Cheshire County Court House, and an
explanation of why he intended to do so. Through further reporting, The
Sentinel is confident this is from the victim of Wednesday afternoon’s
fire, although police have not yet received confirmation of his
identity. The 15-page statement is printed in full, except for two
redacted items: The names of the man’s mother and his three children.
Details will be posted as they become available.

Last Statement

by Tom Ball

A man walks up to the main door of the Keene N.H. County Courthouse,
douses himself with gasoline and lights a match. And everyone wants to
know why.

Apparently the old general was right. Death is not the worst of evil.

I am due in court the end of the month. The ex-wife lawyer wants me
jailed for back child support. The amount ranges from $2,200. to $3,000.
depending on who you ask. Not big money after being separated over ten
years and unemployed for the last two. But I do owe it. If I show up for
court without the money and the lawyer say jail, then the judge will
have the bailiff take me into custody. There really are no surprises on
how the system works once you know how it actually works. And it does
not work anything like they taught you in high school history or civics
class.

I could have made a phone call or two and borrowed the money. But I
am done being bullied for being a man. I cannot believe these people in
Washington are so stupid to think they can govern Americans with an iron
fist. Twenty-five years ago, the federal government declared war on
men. It is time now to see how committed they are to their cause. It is
time, boys, to give them a taste of war.

There are two kinds of bureaucrats you need to know; the ones that
say and the ones that do. The bridge between them is something I call
The Second Set of Books. I have some figures of the success of their
labors. You and I are in these numbers, as well as our spouses and
children. But first let me tell you how I ended up in this rabbit hole.

My story starts with the infamous slapping incident of April 2001.
While putting my four year old daughter to bed, she began licking my
hand. After giving her three verbal warnings I slapped her. She got a
cut lip. My wife asked me to leave to calm things down.

When I returned hours later, my wife said the police were by and said
I could not stay there that night. The next day the police came by my
work and arrested me, booked me, and then returned me to work. Later on
Peter, the parts manager, asked me if I and the old lady would be able
to work this out. I told him no. I could not figure out why she had
called the police. And bail condition prevented me from asking her. So I
no longer trusted her judgment.

After six months of me not lifting a finger to save this marriage,
she filed for divorce. Almost two years after the incident, I was
talking with her on the phone. She told me that night she had called a
mental health provider we had for one of the kids. Wendy, the counselor
told my then wife that if she did not call the police on me, then she
too would be arrested.

Suddenly, everything made sense. She is the type that believes that
people in authority actually know what they are talking about. If both
she and I were arrested, what would happen to our three children, ages
7,4 and 1? They would end up in State custody. So my wife called the
police on her husband to protect the children. And who was she
protecting the kids from? Not her husband, the father of these children.
She was protecting them from the State of New Hampshire.

This country is run by idiots.

The police sergeant Freyer screwed this up from the get go. When I
got the Court Complaint form the box was checked that said Domestic
Violence Related. I could not believe that slapping your child was
domestic violence. So I looked up the law. Minor custodial children are
exempted. Apparently, 93% of American parents still spank, slap or pinch
their children. To this day I still wonder if Freyer would have made
this arrest if it had been the mother that had slapped the child.

Labeling someone’s action as domestic violence in American in the
21st century is akin to labeling someone a Jew in Germany in the 1930′s.
The entire legal weight of the state is coming down on him. But I
consider myself lucky. My family was destroyed. But that poor bastard in
Germany had his family literally annihilated.

Arrests are mandatory for the police in New Hampshire for domestic
violence. That is not law. That is police department policy. Laws come
from the Legislature and the Governor’s office together. God only knows
where these policies come from. The State’s Attorney General also has a
mandatory arrest protocol for domestic violence. I call these policies,
procedures and protocols The Second Set of Books. You never cover the
Second Set of Books your junior year in high school. That because we are
not suppose to have a Second Set of Books. This is America-we have the
rule of law.

I am a regular guy, a coffee and cheeseburger type of fellow. As
remarkable as my life has been, I figure that what happens to me must be
happening to others as well. I was 48 years old when I got arrested
here for my first time. So I went looking for the arrest numbers for
domestic violence, this new group that I had unwilling joined. I could
not find anything. So I wrote the U.S. Dept. of Justice in Washington.
They wrote back that they did not keep track of domestic violence
arrests. The FBI keeps track of all other crimes. How come not domestic
violence? I thought some low level clerk was blowing me off.

At the time, I had mailing addresses in both New Hampshire and
Massachusetts. So I wrote to all six Congressional offices, the two
Senators from each state and the two Congressman. They like doing favors
for constituents hoping you will favorably remember their name in the
voting booth. All six offices reported back the same thing. They do not
know how many arrests for domestic violence have been made. I
immediately knew something was wrong. And I also knew this was not going
to be good.

Improvise, adapt and overcome. The Army teaches that to every soldier
it trains. They say that no battle plan survives the first five minutes
of combat. So your people on the ground had better be able to think for
themselves. Taking casualties in war is just an occupational hazard.
Taking casualties and not accomplishing your mission is a disaster.
After 21 years of Army service, I am pretty good at improvising.

The first thing I found was a study not of domestic violence arrests
but of domestic violence injuries for 18 unnamed states and the D.C. in
the year 2000. In the study 51% of the injuries were ‘no injuries’. So I
knew I had a study of police reports. Who else but a police officer
would record no injuries? I populated that out to the 50 states and came
up with 874,000 arrest in the year 2000.

I had originally populated the number back to 1994 when the Violence
Against Women Act (VAWA) was enacted into law. I would later find out
these arrests stated with the U.S. Attorney General’s Task Force of
Domestic Violence ten years earlier in 1984. As individual states data
became available for various years and states, I would incorporated in
to my informal study. The number I have now in 2011 is 36 million adults
have been arrested for domestic violence. I have a gut feeling this
number could be as high as 55 million. But I only have data to 36
million. So 36 million it stays. And there is a really cool trick you
can do once you have this number. You can find out how many American
men. women and children ended up homeless because of these arrests.

Most of the domestic violence statistics I have seen break down with
75% male and 25% female being arrested. So I am going to used the male
pronoun for the one arrested spouse and the female pronoun for the
victim spouse. That should make the domestic violence feminists
ecstatic-man bad, woman good. But that is okay because that is probably
the last nice thing I am going to do for them today.

When then a man is arrested for domestic violence, one of two things
can happen. If they are only dating and have separate apartments, then
he can head home. But if they are living together, then this fellow has a
real problem. Bail conditions and then a possible protective or
restraining order prevent him from being with her. So he needs to find a
new place to live, at least until the charges are resolved. The King of
his Castle is no longer allowed into his castle. A feminist name Pence
who wrote that was absolutely giddy at that outcome. So he can get his
own place if he has enough money. Or he can move in with his mother, his
sister or another relative. He might have a girl friend who would let
him stay with her. And if none of this is possible, well then I guess he
is sleeping in his car down by the river.

If he has minor children, money will soon turn into an issue. Most
men I know do not mind paying child support. They want their kids to
have food on their plates, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their
heads. But it does stress that man’s finances. Child support is usually
33% of the man’s gross income. Withholding for taxes, social security
and health insurance can range up to 28% of his gross paycheck. So a man
making $500 a week gross has only $825 monthly left over after
withholding and child support. That is not enough money for an apartment
here in Central Massachusetts. That does not include other expenses
like heating, electric, gas, groceries, telephone, cable, car payment
and car insurance. So he is in a financial hole. Estimates of homeless
men run 82% to 94%. I am going to round that down to 80%.

After the King has left his castle, his wife runs into a problem. She
was use to getting his whole paycheck for the household. Now she get a
third for child support. Figure they both work and made the same money,
her budget went from 100% down to 66%. If she was running the house on
$3,045. a month when the King was home, now without him she only has
$2,220. Most households in America cannot withstand a 27% hit on the
household account. She’ll juggle the bills but eventually most wives
figure out that they can pay all the smaller bills if they just does not
pay the big bill. That would be the rent or the mortgage. So six to
nine months after the King is out of the castle, the Queen, the Princes
and the Princesses are also on the street. Domestic violence feminists
state that 50% of victim spouses of domestic violence end up homeless at
some time in their lives.

The last group of homeless from these arrests are children. The
domestic violence feminists state that 70% of domestic violence couple
have children. So 50% female times 70% children equals 35%. But children
is plural. So we will double to 70%.

(Odd isn’t it? They know that 50% of victim spouses end up homeless
and that 70% of them have children. How can they know the percentages
when they do not know how many total arrests were made? Those people at
the U.S. Justice Dept. cannot even pull off a credible cover-up. )

Men are 0.8, women are 0.5, and children are 0.7 for a grand total of
2.0 homeless Americans for every domestic violence arrest. Multiply
that by 36 million and you get 72 million men, women and children ending
up homeless at some point in their lives over the last 25 years because
of these domestic violence arrests.

That is a really large number even by Washington standards. That is
almost 25% of the entire population of the U.S. using 2010 census
figures. Which begs the question did these homeless people contribute to
this latest economic meltdown, or did they cause it? Because if they
did cause it then the recovery will not be measure in months or years
but in decades.

Some of the boys in the Father’s Movement think Congress might have
shot themselves in the foot over this one. Personally, I think they shot
themselves some place anatomically higher. No wonder the Speaker of the
House is always crying. The Dummies on the Potomac.

Twenty-five years ago the federal government start pushing these
arrests on state’s legal systems. Now, we have an economy on the rope.
They have thrown a huge amount of money at banks, big business and local
and states government. And we are still in the mud. But no economist
either at the Treasury Dept., Federal Reserve, universities or think
tanks are even looking at the impact of all these broken families. If
that 36 million arrest is correct, then 72 million men and women, have
been throw out of the middle class into subsistence living. Or is the
number 55 million and 110 million? No one knows and no one is even
looking. But why should look? According to the Attorney General, we do
not know how many arrests we have made.

And if the Tea Party is any indication, insurrection is brewing in
the land. Just a coincident? Not likely. This is what happens when the
government wipes out the middle class.

The idea for these arrests came from something called the Minneapolis
Police Experiment (MPE) of 1981-82. In the experiment police offices
were given pads with one of three words written on them; counsel, send
or arrest. Counsel meant the officer was to try to mediate the couple’s
spat. Send was to send one of the spouses out of the house for eight
hours as a cooling off period. Arrest was arrest one of the two spouses.
The officer was to do as the top paper on the pad said to do. The
experiment was set up by the Police Foundation and Lawrence W. Sherman
was the lead researcher. The results show counseling resulted in a
future assault in 24% cases, send was 19%, and the arrest option
resulted in a future assault in only 10% of the cases. Perhaps a cheap
way of cutting down future domestic violence.

In 1984 The U. S. Attorney General’s Task Force of Domestic Violence
recommended arrest as the primary weapon in domestic violence assault.
Lawrence W. Sherman recommend not using the arrests because the MPE was
just one study and it could be wrong. They ignored him. And by 1992, 93%
of the police departments in the nation had adopted some form of
mandatory arrest in domestic violence cases.

But by 1992 five more addition studies similar to the MPE became
available. Lawrence W. Sherman reviewed all five studies. Then once
again he wrote that the police should not use arrest. In two of the five
studies, they found the same result as they did in the MPE, that an
arrest cut down the odds of a future assault. But in the other three
studies an arrest actually increase the odds of a future assault. So
arresting someone in a domestic violence situation to cut down on future
assaults did not work any better than just flipping a coin. I do not
know if Lawrence W. Sherman is still alive. But fortunately he wrote a
book call Policing Domestic Violence that was published in 1992.

So we have 800,000 American police officers arresting one in every
six adults in the country and throwing 25% of the men, women and
children out on the streets in an effort to enforce a policy that they
knew did not work back in1992. And I had always assumed that you needed a
man to really screw something up. Oh well, there goes another glass
ceiling.

Why would they push an arrest policy that does not work? There are
two schools of thought on the reason why. The first comes from Lawrence
W. Sherman. He calls it the Law of Just Desserts. Revenge for slights
and offenses, real or imagined. I am sure there are some that would
argue that women are not vengeful. But what is that old saying? Hell
hath no fury…..

The second idea comes from the mother of the second wave of feminism.
I do speak of the brilliant Betty Friedan. In the Epilogue Chapter of
the 20th Anniversary Edition of her book The Feminine Mystique, Betty
relayed why she resigned as the first president of the National
Organization of Women in 1970. Betty wrote that she, “was unable to
openly fight the man haters and unwilling to front for them any more…”
So man hating bigots no only existed 40 years ago, they were also
grabbing power. Now Washington is funding them. Makes you wonder what
bigots they will fund next. Maybe the Klan?

Feminists had always claimed that when women took over, we would have
a kinder, gentler, more nurturing world. After 36 million arrests and
72 million evictions what we got was Joe Stalin.

The third wave of feminists do not like to call themselves feminists.
The word feminist could be perceived as gender oppression. These third
wave of whatever-we-call-you got that right The treachery of our legal
system over the last 25 years may end up giving all feminists a bad
name. Which would make us as bigoted as the man-hating feminists who got
us into this mess to begin with.

So let us talk about those bureaucrats that do. These are the ones
that actually carry out the evil deeds. I like call them the do-bies.

Any one swept up into legal mess is usually astonished at what they
see. They cannot believe what the police, prosecutors and judges are
doing. It is so blatantly wrong. Well, I can assure you that everything
they do is logical and by the book. The confusion you have with them is
you both are using different sets of books. You are using the old First
Set of Books- the Constitution, the general laws or statutes and the
court ruling sometime call Common Law. They are using the newer Second
Set of Books. That is the collection of the policy, procedures and
protocols. Once you know what set of books everyone is using, then
everything they do looks logical and upright. And do not bother trying
to argue with me that there is no Second Set of Books. I have my own
copies at home. Or at least a good hunk of the important part of it.

I got my Second Set of Books when I sued the Jaffrey NH police
department. Under the discovery rule, I write them with the material I
wanted and it would arrive in the mail a few weeks later. I got the
Police Academy Training Manual. I got the Department’s Policy and
Procedure Manual. I got the no-drop protocol that the attorney general
sent to all his or her prosecutors. I even got the domestic violence
protocols for the court system, one hundred pages worth. Once you read
it the material, then you will know what the police, prosecutors and
judges will do. They are completely predictable once you know what set
of books they are using.

The police academy training manual states that an arrest in a
domestic violence call is the preferred response. They cite the
Minneapolis Police Experiment (MPE) as its justification. But the author
of the MPE, Lawrence Sherman, said do not use arrest because five
follow up studies show that it did not work. The would be a violation of
the 4th Amendment in the First Set of Books against unreasonable search
and seizure. Then there is that whole issue of whether the police have
the right to arrest for any reason other than they believe a crime was
committed.

The Jaffrey Police Department Policy and Procedures Manual states
that if a wife says she does not want her husband arrested, the police
are to ignore her, arrest the husband, and get with the prosecutor to
see what they can work out. In other words, make the arrest and then see
if you can Mickey Mouse it. The wife is eligible for spousal immunity.
If she invokes it, then no statement she mades, written or oral, are
admissible because she cannot be cross examined about it under oath. (
Did you say that? What did you mean when you said that?) With no
statements the police have no probable cause in most cases to make an
arrest. Also a violation of the 4th amendment in the First Set of Books.

The actor Nickolas Cage was drunk in New Orleans with his wife.
Everyone else is drunk in New Orleans, so why should Nick be any
different. He and his wife were arguing over which house the rented for
their stay. Nick grab his wife’s arm and started to lead her to his
house. The police arrested Nick for domestic violence. His wife was
stunned. That was not domestic violence. “Nothing we can do,” the police
explained to her. “Just following orders.”

That is an accurate explanation for victims, even if they do not
think of themselves as victims. The police have a zero tolerance towards
any physical contact. Things might get worse in the future is the
feminist logical for this present iron fist approach to domestic
relations. I would have to agree with them. After all the arrests,
poverty, homelessness and misery, I can assure you-things are going to
get worse.

But that nothing we can do, just following orders the officers
explain always sounds so timid and lame. The police need to punch their
explanation up a bit, make it more authoritarian. And there is a quick,
low cost way of doing it. The police officers only need to say it in its
original German.

The state Constitution in NH said the prosecutors job is to promote
justice. The Attorney Generals protocols said that domestic violence
case are no-drop cases. (Unless, of course, they take the Deal. Continue
the case for a year, go to counseling, and everything falls off the
books after the year. They did after all find some way of getting rid of
all these cases.)

The Attorney General can hire, fire, layoff, promote, demote, commend
or award bonuses. The constitution is some old, quaint, dusty document
up in the Statehouse some where. So which one do you think is going to
get obeyed?

Prosecutors are funny. Some, maybe most, have egos the size of Cape
Cod. But of the three, police, prosecutor and judges, prosecutors have
the least protection. Micheal Nifong, the prosecutor in the Duke
Lacrosse Rape Case, was fired, disbarred, convicted of a crime, and
actually jailed for trying to enforce the no-drop prosecution protocol
for sexual assault in the Duke case.

The prosecutor in my criminal case fared a little better. I filed a
complaint with his boss for summoning my two daughters, ages 7 and 4, to
court. I had already conceded that the facts were not in dispute. The
trial would be about the law. No witness were need much less a couple of
toddlers. He still summoned them. (The Second Set of Books tells the
prosecutors to get a sympathetic face in front of the judge or jury.
What’s more sympathetic than toddlers.) The prosecutor could not refute
my allegation because I enclosed a copy of the trial transcript. I had
to pay for the transcript. When the prosecutor read it, he gave his two
weeks notice and then blew town. That transcript was the best $46 I had
ever spent in this life.

There is a name for what happens when a bureaucrat is destroyed by
the First Set of Books for attempting to enforce the Second Set of
Books. It is called the Abu Ghraib Syndrome. The people within the law
enforcement community no longer seem to know the difference between the
law, with its checks and balances, and the policies, procedure and
protocols that constitute The Second Set of Books. In some cases you do
not even know who wrote the policy, procedure or protocol. It could have
been the local high school gym teacher for all anyone knows. Many of
these bureaucrats are eventually going to learn the different between
the First and the Second Set of Books. And my guess is that many of them
are going to learn it the hard way. Because the only checks and
balances in The Second Set of Books is The First Set of Books.

Judges routinely use our children as bargaining chips. Get the adult
into counseling, continue the case for a year, and then drop it. This
will open up the docket for the new arrests coming in next week. These
judges that use our children are not honorable. Which is why I never use
the term ‘Your Honor’ any more. I just call them judge.

Alex Baldwin, the actor, wrote that you have never seen a coward
until you have seen a Los Angeles County judge. I call my
judges-Sullivan, Arnold and even Runyon-cowards, too. When I first
started observing them, nothing made sense. Arnold was completely
infuriated when he was maneuvered into ruling not guilty. He verbally
went up and down me so many times I lost count. What was the big deal?
If I was not guilty just say and then we could all go home. But that was
back in the days before I knew about The Second Set of Books.

I lost visitation with my two daughters when I got arrested. One was
the victim-the other was the witness. After a not guilty, I expected to
get visitation with my girls. But the divorce judge, Sullivan, decreed
that counseling was in order and they would decide when we would
reunite. I told the judge that the decision on whether these two girls
had a father or a fatherless childhood was not leaving this courthouse.
There would be a couple of reason for that decision.

First, by then I knew of the Second Set of Books. As much as I had
prayed for the return of my children, I knew that this counseling might
get thrown in the way. Judges are addicted to counseling like a
meth-head is addict to crystal meth. Sullivan wrote in the divorce
decree that he envision only one or two meetings with the counselor.
There is no counseling done in the first meeting or two. It is
intake-who’s the players and what are the issues. But Sullivan was not
interested in counseling. He merely wanted to unload the decision out of
habit. And if we do not shut them down now, they will be doing it to
our kids in twenty years from now when they have little ones running
around the house.

Second, just exactly where does the buck stop with our legal system?
Police have to make an arrest. The prosecutor has to pursue the case.
Judges now also walk a away without rendering a verdict, and passing the
buck does not constitute a decision. Can those mental health counselors
slide the decision over to someone else? Just where does this end? Who
is responsible? Who is accountable?

The mental health crowd is the third reason I said no. Some people
think they are geniuses with their Masters and PH D’s. Others think they
are so wacky that they call them fruit loops. Well, I have a third name
for them. Suckers. They did not get hired for their medical ability.
They got these because they were willing to take these cases off the
judge’s hands. Which has done nothing for the credibility for their
profession. We are not here to help-we are here to unload. And they
created a liability that did not previously existed. If a judge releases
a defendant and he goes kills someone, that judge or the judiciary
cannot be sued. But a mental health worker, and their employer certainly
can be held liable. Our judiciary is now using the mental health field
like a ten dollar whore.

I sued Monadnock Family Services to make them go away. I told their
lawyer Byron that they were a legitimate target for men. We settled for
no money. They would have nothing to do with this reconciliation. The
counselor was released. And they would no longer get involved in any
domestic violence cases.

Every time we ended back in court over whatever squabbles, I would
ask Judge Sullivan for my children back. The decision belong to the
counselors he would tell me. But he knew he had screwed up. I could see
it in his face. But he would not fix it. He would not step out of that
box those domestic violence/sexual assault advocates had built for him.
After five years, he retired to a part time position at the Littleton
courthouse 120 miles away.

So when guys like Alex Baldwin and I call judges cowards, we have
legitimate reasons for doing so. It is not good for judges to be called
coward. It is unlikely that it is good for the rest of us.

I do not claim to have all The Second Set of Book. I know of one book
that I do not have. And I would have love to read that one. That would
be the seminar that the domestic violence and sexual assault advocates
put on periodically for legal personnel including judges. These
advocates are camped outside every state, not federal, courthouse in
America. The U.S. Dept of Justice provides 50-100% of their funding
depending on the program. They have three day seminars at resorts where
everything is paid for except the liquor. Judges in NH are ordered to
attend. Neither Sullivan or Arnold would confirm or deny they had
attended. They actually said nothing. It must be like the Masons where
they will not say anything about the organization until you show them
the secret hand sign.

Supreme Court Judge Louis Brandeis once wrote that the best
description of a judge is the impartial guardian of the rule of law. How
does three days of wine, women and song contribute to impartiality? It
does not. So it should not have been any surprise that they would not
answer me. After all, they were not on trial. I was. But they are going
to be. They were suppose to protect to rule of law not collaborate in
its demise. They have failed miserably.

A guardian ad litem is an attorney appointed for a child. The
attorney solely represents the child. I got one when I was first
separated to get a neutral pair of eyes and ears on the family. I was
disappointed in his findings.

A few years later, another guardian was appointed for one of the
kids. A regular report filed with the Court painted me as some sort
violent psychopath. I thought that was uncalled for seeing as we had
never met. It start a flurry of nasty letters between until we both came
to the conclusion that this was not about us. We ended on a friendly
note.

At a Court hearing later on I approached him. I asked him if he had
had any domestic violence training. He said yes, that it was required to
become certified as a guardian ad litem. Another chapter for The Second
Set of Books that I never managed to acquire.. So men, if you were
thinking about getting a guardian ad litem for an unbiased assessment,
then you should ask for the domestic violence material that certified
the guardian. And do not worry that you are not sure what you are
looking for. It will stand right out.

There are more sections of The Second Set of Books. Medical personnel
are supposed to report suspected domestic violence. The college
professor Angela Davis has a story of a Latino couple in California
getting in trouble feeding the dog his liver for dinner. Mental health
employees are also required. Think of Wendy threatening our kids with
foster care. Teachers, day care providers, the list just goes on and on.
The East German secret police, the Stazi, had 25% of the population on
record as informers. The United States is not that high yet, but we are
still growing.

These people-police, prosecutors and judges-are suppose to protect
us. They are checks and balances to prevent injustice. That is why we
spend so much money of police training. But if the police screw it up,
the prosecutor can catch it. If the prosecutor misses it then the judge
can step in to fix it. But if all three have been compromised, then what
does one need to do to get justice? Go to the appeals court or the
Supreme Court? That seem a little ridiculous particularly when the zero
tolerance has arrests for something as trivial as touching.

On one hand we have the law. On the other hand we have what we are
really going to do-the policies, procedures and protocols. The rule of
law is dead. Now we have 50 states with legal systems as good as any
third world banana republic. Men are demonized and the women and
children end up as suffering as well.

So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and
courthouses. The Second Set of Books originated in Washington. But the
dirty deeds are being carried out by our local police, prosecutors and
judges. These are the people we pay good money to protect us and our
families. And what do we get for our tax money? Collaborators who are no
different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during
the Second World War. All because they go along to get along. They are
an embarrassment, the whole lot of them. And they need to be held
accountable. So burn them out.

In the last 25 years they have arrested one in six adults in this
country and forced 25% of the men, women and children into homelessness.
In 50 years it will be one in three adults arrested and 50% of the men,
women and children ending up homeless. Most of our kids will live to
the age of 68 years old. As bad as it was for you, your children will
have twice the odds of it happening to them.

Some of you will say that 50% homelessness sounds absurd. But 25% is
absurd and that is already here. There is no evidence that the police,
courts, or government is planning to do anything different in the
immediate future. And they will not do anything different until we make
it so uncomfortable that they must change. Bureaucracy at its worst. So
burn them out. This is too important to be using that touchy-feeling
coaching that is so popular with business these days. You need to
flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to
replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!

Most of the police stations built in New England over the last 20
years are stone or brick. Fortunately, the roofs are still wood. The
advantage of fire on the roof is that it is above the sprinklers. But
even the sprinklers going off work to our advantage. There is no way
they can work in a building with six inches of water. And I am certain
we will disrupt their momentum once they start working out of a FEMA
trailers. If they still do not get the message, then burn down the
trailers.

The easiest way of burning a building is with the Molotov cocktail.
It was invented by the Finns when the Soviets invaded in 1939. You fill a
bottle with gasoline and stuff a rag in the end for a wick. You light
the wick and throw bottle, It shatters on impact spraying gas everywhere
and the wick ignites the gas. Simple, readily available, and effective.
And only two things to remember.

First, use a glass bottle. Thinner glass is better than thicker
glass. You want it to shatter on impact. When I was teaching a kid at
the high school on the West Side Worcester, MA. threw a Molotov cocktail
into his school. Fortunately, he used a plastic bottle. It burned about
three square inches of carpeting. I had to laugh when I said to myself,
“Thank God for dumb kids.”

Second, you need to tie the rag to the bottle. Nothing worse that
throwing a Molotov cocktail, landing where you wanted it, and having it
shatter perfectly. Then you noticed the wick had fallen out on the way
to the target. No wick-no fire.

Some of these building will have brick faces and metal roofs. Just
break a window and throw the Molotov cocktail inside. Carpets,
furniture, computer plastic, even paint on the walls will burn. It is
okay if the sprinkler goes off. I wonder if you can get hip waders over a
gun belt?

We had a kid in my hometown that burned down the old junior high
school. He walked up to the front door one night with a can of lighter
fluid. The applicator on the end squirts the lighter fluid out. He
squirted under the door and along the seams and lit a match. The kid
took out the entire old part of the building. Why are kids so competent
when it is something they should not be doing?

There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded,
some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will
be ours.

Now, nobody wants to get killed. But let us look at your life. You
are broke after paying child support. She and the kids are not doing any
better. None of you are middle class any more. You have no say in the
kids education, their health treatment, you may not even have visitation
with your sons and daughters. And everything you thought you knew to be
true-the rule of law, the sanctity of the of the family, the belief
that government was there to nurture your brood-all turned out to be a
lie. Face it boys, we are no longer fathers. We are just piggy banks.

So you are not losing anything by picking up the Molotov cocktail. It
may be too late for us. But without something changing, your kids will
have double the odds of it happening to them. That will knock them out
of the middle class again, providing they ever get back in. And their
kids, your grandchildren, will end up damaged goods before it is over.
So it is okay to run. You just need to turn around and run at them. They
are no way as imposing as they seem. They only do what they do for a
paycheck.

Television would make us believe that people get arrested because of
fingerprints, DNA, facial recognition, and instruments that can tell
where a substance was made and here is the local distributors. It is
Hollywood crap. Most of the people in prison are there for one key
reason. They could not keep their mouths shut. They told someone. That
someone told others. The cops hear it and start looking at them for a
suspect. That how it works in real life.

This need to confess seems to be primeval. Just human nature. But if
you cannot keep a secret, do not expect the one you tell to keep their
mouth shut. There is only three people I know for certain they will keep
their mouths shut. That would be Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

I only managed to get the main door of the Cheshire County Courthouse
in Keene, NH. I would appreciate it if some of you boys would finish
the job for me. They harmed my children. The place is evil. So take it
out

Some where along the line I picked up the crazy notion that it is
better to be dead as a free man than to live as a serf. The government
needs to be a little more careful about what they teach in our schools.

And bring a can of spray paint to these fires. Paint the word
COLLABORATORS ( two L’s with an S on the end) on the building before you
burn it. Maybe we can shame them back to the rule of law. And we do
want the police to know exactly who burned the building. Then the police
can start interviewing the usually suspects, all 36 million of us.

We have covered the do-bies. Now let us look at the bureaucrats that say-ers.

The Second Set of Books originated in Office of Violence Against
Women (OVW) which is part of the United States Department of Justice.
Some of these policies, procedures and protocol were developed locally.
But the local results would be sent up to OVW and, if approved, would
disperse it out to all 50 states. They are smart, clever, bigoted and
able to lie as well as any politician that ever called Washington home.
In other words, they have now become Washington insiders.

But what makes them so uniques is their anger towards men, any man.
They are so twisted in their hatred of men that they are positively
scary. And it is not what they are doing to men that makes them
frightening. You would expect that. No, it is what they are doing to the
women and children that makes them so twisted.

When the Pentagon drops a bomb on innocent civilians the military
calls it Collateral Damage. It sounds better than, “Yeah, we killed a
bunch of women and children.” Those poor, innocent, stupid civilians
have always been caught in the middle since the time we were fighting
with rocks.. Your wife and kids are Collateral Damage in the war against
you, the man in the family. For 25 years these feminists at OVAW have
been willing to sacrifice the women and children to get you. And they
cannot claim ignorance about what they are doing. Under the VAWA the
federal government is funding at least 1,800 homeless shelters. As long
as the Office for Violence Against Women exists in the U.S. Department
Justice , no American man, women or child will be safe in their own
home.

If you ask these feminists why are the shelters all full, they will
not say because of all the arrests. The shelters are full because of
men. But they knew from the beginning that this was not man bad-woman
good thing. The year was 1976. Two things would happen that year.

First, someone at the U.S. Dept of Justice decided to count the dead
bodies. In 1975 there were 1522 women killed in domestic violence. And
for men killed in 1975? The dead for men was 1506. Statistically equal a
friend tells me so.

If you had asked me before the study, I would have assumed that women
were getting the worst of it. But I would be looking at it by genders.
What I should have been looking at was species, homo-sapiens, human
beings. Men are human-women are human. Being the same species you would
expect the same results from both genders. And that is exactly what the
dead bodies told us.

The second thing that happened in 1976 was the first domestic
violence survey was released. It was so new the time that they called it
family violence. Murray Straus of UNH and Richard Gellars from a school
in RI were the researchers. They did not find two perpetrators of
domestic violence, but three. Men initiated violence 25.7% of the time:
women 25.2%, and the other 49.1% was the two going after each at the
same time. These two people going after each other at the same time is
well recognized in law. The law in NH calls that mutual combat. Men are
human. Women are human. And once again we found both genders acting the
same manner.

So how did we end up with the theory of man bad-woman good that the
government at all levels is using? The feminist writer Susan Brownmiller
wrote In Our Time that,” the way you get funding and church donations
is to talk about the pure victims. If you talk about the impurity of the
victim, the sympathy vanishes.” If women get to be good then men get
what is left-bad. Man bad-woman good was originally a funding raising
technique. After 35 years, it has turned into official government dogma
at all levels, from the local cop on the beat to the White House. Men
need to be punished, restrained and retrained. Your wives and children
are, unfortunately, just collateral damage in this effort to punish men.
So you were not dreaming it. There really is a government pogrom
against men.

When a man batters or kills, there is no excuse. When a woman commits
the same act, there is nothing but excuses. Simple though inaccurate.
But there is one redeeming aspect to men being demonized. Now we men can
act like devils. And we do not even need to apologize for it. Men are
going to start acting just like they made us out to be. As an old high
school semi-punk I can assure you boys of one thing. This is going to be
fun. You guys are going to end up laughing like hyenas.

The money funded under the VAWA is split in two when it leaves the
Treasury. Part goes the Health and Human Services for fund these
domestic violence homeless shelters. If that 36 million number is
correct, and it is all that we have, then the 1.44 million arrests a
year will be made producing 2.88 million homeless Americans each year.
Women and children constitute 60% of these homeless people, 1.7 million
Americans a year. Shutting down these shelters would be cruel. What
would these women and children do then? Go live under a bridge. No, we
are stuck with these shelters for a while. But there is one thing that
Congress needs to fix when they fund them again.

These shelters do not allow men on the property let alone inside the
residences. Why is it against the law to use federal money on
organizations that discriminate against black, Jews, gays or even women
but it is okay to do so against men? Men contributed half that tax
money. Eight years ago a man in California fled with his children after
the police warned him to get out after they had arrested the wife and
mother. None of the shelters would take him and the kids in because he
was a man. I wonder if this would survive a legal gender discrimination
challenge in a federal court?

A society without men is freakier than a world without blacks or
Jews. That is not to say blacks or Jews are any less worthy. It just
that there are more men in the world than blacks or Jews even if you
combined them. If these feminist had to deal with men on a regular
basis, then maybe the country would not be in the pickle we are in now.

There is a third reason to end this discrimination, something of a
more practical nature. Apparently, some women like to have sex with men.
But men are barred from the property. Suddenly, that 15 year boy two
doors down starts looking real good. It might even be fun breaking in
this new meat. So this woman driven into insolvency by the push for
domestic violence arrests now finds herself charged as a pedophile
because someone barred men from her world. With domestic violence
advocates as friends, who needs enemies.

This shelters came up with a novel approach to fixing the pedophile
problem. Male children over the age of thirteen are barred from staying
there. Too troublesome. The family broke up when the father was thrown
out of the house. Now a second break up is happening with the teenage
boys. Perhaps a relative has one bed available. Maybe the family of a
high school friend would take him in their home. If neither option works
then that is okay. He can move in with his father. Then they will both
be sleeping in the car down by the river.

Children of these parents also suffer. They used to have their own
bedroom in a safe town with good schools. First they have a shelter,
then Section 8 public housing. An urban school. Maybe good-maybe not.
Kids learn how to be tough in an urban environment. The kids might go
bad or they could come out just fine. But there will be no clunky car as
a teenager. There will be no saving fund for college. There will be no
monetary gift to use as a down payment for a starter home. This
tradition of the older generation giving the younger generation a
financial leg up has been ruin due to the older generation’s lack of
money. Financially, the older generation is merely treading water. It
will take generations after these present two generations to repair the
economic damage to these families.

So we are stuck with funding these shelters for a while. These women
and children have no place left to go. Some of you guys may think that
these feminist caused the problem and then created the solution. But
homeless shelters are not a solution. They are just barely a band aid.

The remaining money under VAWA goes to the United States Department
of Justice for the Office of Violence Against Women (OVW). As long as
OVW exists then the government is at war with men. As long as there is a
pogrom against men, then women and children are going to end up as
collateral damage. So there is no need for discussion about OVW going.
The only thing we need to figure out is which of the two ways we can use
to get rid of them-the easy way or the hard way.

And boys, do not try to burn down Washington’s Dept. of Justice
Building in an effort to get rid of the Office of Violence Against
Women. Their offices are over at N Street.

The easy way is using Congress. The VAWA comes up for funding every
five to seven years. Next time it comes up, Congress votes no and
everyone at the OVW gets a pink slip in late September. Nice and simple
except nothing is simple in Washington. We, the people out here in the
sticks, do not always know what the dynamics are in Washington. There
might be one method of getting Congress on course. Have Congress demand
that the Attorney General get, and release the arrests figures. Or have
the President order it. He is usually fearless after he makes up his
mind. And this is too large and too well known to continue the
Washington plausible deniable routine. Then they will know how much
trouble they are in because of these arrests.

There are 220 million adults 18 or older in this country of both
sexes. If my figure of 36 million is correct, then that is 16.4% of the
adults have been arrested. It could be as high as 55 million or 25%. It
might be as low as 22 million or 10%. Whatever the number there are two
things that Congress should know. First, is the fellow who discovered
the arrests in Minneapolis back in 1992 said do not use it because it
does not work. And second, the people arrested now constitute a Fifth
Column here in the United States. Our loyalty to Washington is gone. But
what did these genuises on the Potomac expect? They have harmed our
children. If they think Al Qaeda is a pain in the ass, wait to they see
what Americans can do once their fuse is lit.

I am certain the Attorney General will sit for months on the request
for the number of domestic violence arrests. Then he will explain that
they do not readily have the number and that some sort of Manhattan
Project effort will be needed in time and money. Nonsense. When
Washington started these arrests in 1984 over 6.3 personal computers
were sold here in the U.S. That figure does not include all the mini’s,
midi’s and mainframe computers sold that year. There is no way they can
pretend that this data does not exist in electronic storage. A request
to Ohio for the arrests 1984-2010 would tie up a state clerk for an
hour, including their 15 minute coffee break. Time for the truth boys
and girls. Because this is not going away.

The hard way is more time consuming, cost more money and is full of
headaches. Because the only way of removing a department from the
federal government without the consent of Congress is to take out the
entire federal government.

The first time I heard that, I said that is ridiculous. We cannot run
this country without a federal government. But we will replace the old
government with something new and improved. The new government would
honor the debts incurred by the old government. There are a lot of
useful reasons for starting with a clean slate.

The bipartisan debt commission released their recommendation for
cleaning up the $14 trillion we have borrowed over the years. Convention
wisdom has it that Congress has no stomach for any of the
recommendations.

But a new government could install those recommendation on day one.
Three years later, most Americans will not remember that anything is
different. The old government laid off its employees when it closed. The
new government is hiring. But instead of 65,000 employees at the Dept.
of Education, the new government is only hiring 45,000. Instead of an
average federal wage of $70,000 a year, the new average will be $52,000.
The new government will have to write a tax code. Everyone pays 15%
with no deductions. How many IRS employees could you get rid of if there
were no more deductions? Any thing is possible with a new government.

Normally over-throwing a elected government is considered treason.
Treason is punishable by death here in the United States. But there is
one way of over throwing the government. That is through the ballot box.
Then it is not treason but democracy. Allegedly, Washington is in favor
of democracy, particularly if their candidate wins.

There is no legal mechanism in the Constitution or the Federal code
of the United States for dissolving the government of the United States.
So that is what we need first. Congress would need to write it. We get
them to do it through the ballot initiative.

A ballot initiative is when enough registered voters sign a petition
to get a question on the ballot for the next election. The following
would be a sample of what the question would look like in New Hampshire.

That all elected representatives from the state of New Hampshire to
both houses of the United States Congress are to propose and advance a
bill that would set up a legal mechanism to dissolve the United States
government should the people decide to do so in a general election by a
simple majority.

If this initiative passes in all 50 states then Congress will be
stuck. They will have to write the law to dissolve. If they do not I
suspect within ten years they will be standing in a stairwell at the
British or French embassy with a suitcase in hand waiting to get to a
rooftop helicopter. I doubt if they will be thinking about the
humiliation of being thrown out of the country. They will be far too
busy worrying about what will happen if the mob gets their hands on
them.

Washington has not got a friend in the world. Even the British and
Israelis loath them now. Kind of a bad time to be losing domestic
support. And what they done over the last 25 years? They have wiped out
the middle class pandering to a special interest group of bigots. And in
typical Washington fashion, they did not even know they did it.

This Ivy League inbreeding in Washington has produced an elite that
knows what best. Everyone else-husbands, wives, police officers,
prosecutors, judges, attorney generals and guardian ad litems-are to
shut up and do what they are told. The rule of law is gone, replaced by
the policies, procedures and protocols of The Second Set of Books. Which
means the federal government will be going shortly. For the government
being unable to deliver the rule of law is like an auto mechanic who
claims he does not know how to change the engine oil. A certain minimum
competency is required. So it looks like the parents of the Washington
elite were right. One can be too smart for their own good.

Betty Friedan wrote that the feminist revolution, like any
revolution, would have its excesses. Losing the rule of law is too great
to call it a mere excess. It is a catastrophe. It is the heart, mind
and soul between the people and their government. These feelings of
betrayal by losing it may be permanent. I have 21 years of Army service
going back to the Vietnam War. My loyalty to the government should be a
given. It is gone. I am certain it will never return regardless of how
long I might have lived.

It was another woman that lead us in to this decision to clean house
inside the beltway. Something she taught us fifty years ago. You simply
look at those folks in Washington and then ask yourself the old Ann
Landers question, “Am I better off with them, or without them? Are my
children better off with them, or without them?” They are sinking like
stones.

Washington, DC was chose as the capital because it was the
geographical center or the old Colonies. Today, the geographical center
of the country is just west of St. Louis Missouri. The new government
can set the capital anywhere in the United States it wants. Imagine how
many rodents, insects and parasites they could lose by moving 1500 miles
west.

Whether you replace the federal government or not, men are still
going to need a legal defense center for men. Something like the NAACP
used to get black people their rights. The only checks and balances in
the Second Set of Books is the First Set of Books. Which means lawsuits.
Now I know you guys are broke. Some of you have had your wives and kids
thrown into homelessness. So I completely understand when you tell me
that you are broke. But if everyone who has been arrested throws in
$10.00 a year then the legal defense center will have a war chest of
$360 million. You can buy a whole bunch of lawsuit with that kind of
money.

The Ball family has been supplying sergeants to the Army since at
least the Revolutionary War. Elijah served as a sergeant in Cushing’s
Regiment at the Battle of Bennington. His commanding officer was a
general from NH with a name of John Stark. General Start was a clever
warrior. He was responsible for the bulk of the heavy casualties the
British suffer at their victory at Bunker Hill. His orderly, fighting
withdrawal allowed the other units on the hill to not only retreat but
collect their wounded on the way out.

General Stark would repeat this performance on three hill tops
outside the village of Bennington VT one hot August day in 1777. At the
end of the battle, the British lost over 900 men killed or captured. The
Colonists suffered 30 dead. Two months later, the depleted British army
would surrender at Saratoga. That victory at Saratoga would bring the
French into the war. John Stark was the most competent general this
country ever produced. For that reason alone his men loved him.

But as brilliant as he was on the battlefield, General Stark would
become even more famous for something he said. In 1809 the veterans of
Bennington decided to have one last reunion. A delegation called on the
General with his invitation. But the General was old and frail. He could
not attend. But he did send a message, “You tell the boys I said live
free or die. That death is not the worst of evil.” Since 1945 the State
of New Hampshire has stamped Live Free or Die on every pen, coffee mug,
license plate and highway sign that they have gotten their hands on.

I think the General and his sergeant would be please that his words
have elevated from the novelties and bric-a-brac to something more
dignified like a courthouse door. Neither of them would give a second
thought to the mess left over after the fire was extinguished. War has
always been a grim business. Civil wars are usually worse.

But they would be trouble by the new enemy. Oh, they understood when a
government betrays it people. They took up arms against the super power
of their day to get relief for their grievances. But the enemy we face
now is the government that these men birthed at places like Bennington,
Saratoga and Bunker Hill. Government is no different than the food in a
refrigerator. Given enough time both will go bad.

The smartest person I knew in this life was my mother. Perhaps that
is true of all of us. Maybe I just got lucky. She was a nurse by trade.
She worked in a time when Western medicine made that final transition
from butchery to science. But it would not be her nursing skills that
made her extraordinary. No, it would be this one incredible knack she
had that I had only modest success at mimicking in my life. If she had
something important to say to you, she would say and then never mention
it again. She would talk about it if you raised the issue. But she never
mentioned it twice on her own. And, oddly, you always heard her.

But she did have one favorite saying. I must have heard in a thousand
times in the eighteen years I lived under her roof. It always came at
the end of the conversation as she peeled away to see if it was time for
Perry Mason or Lawrence Welk. She would turn her head to the side, and
over her shoulder she would say, “And the only thing you really have in
this world is your family.” Now, thanks to the United States Government,
neither we nor our children have that.

. I have three things to say to my children. First, Daddy loves you.
Second, you are my three most favorite people in the world. And last,
that you are to stick together no matter how old you get or how far
apart you live. Because it is like Grandma always said. The only thing
you really have in this world is your family.

 

 


 

And this is the pre-story:

Keene Police were not giving out much info, but there is a dead body
out front of Cheshire Superior Court and a large amount of charring on
the sidewalk in front of the courthouse. Police scanner recordings
confirm this is a case of suicide by self-immolation. You can listen to
the Keene police scanner here.

Makes you wonder what the court did to the poor guy/gal. More details as we learn them:

UPDATE: Here’s the Sentinel’s piece with comments from a witness.

UPDATE: Here’s audio from the police scanner feed after the man sets himself ablaze.

This isn’t going to just wash away.

June 16, 2011 by Ian Freeman
Filed under: Issues, News, Update 

This morning, locals report that government workers were spraying and scrubbing in an attempt to remove the evidence of yesterday’s apparent self-immolation in front of the Cheshire superior court.
I stopped by early this morning to file some motions in another case
and talk to the Sheriffs about yesterday and took a picture of the
damage. Click the pic for a full size version.

It’s going to take more than a hose and brush to make this issue go
away. People need to know who this man was and why he made this horrific
choice.

More as it develops. Thus far, no return calls from Keene Police or Cheshire Sheriffs.

 


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Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:21 | Link to Comment traderjoe
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Show some respect.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:46 | Link to Comment traderjoe
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Obviously, he was a troubled man. I prefer to at least express some compassion in understanding that I don't know and can't comprehend his mental state. I do believe that some mental illnesses are truly that.

Bringing back on point to ZH, I make a distinction between troubled people trying to get by, and the tyrants who know what they do when they steal from the people in plain sight.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 13:20 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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You are right.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 14:14 | Link to Comment max2205
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Adivse, stay out of the law system and mental health system. Once you check in you can never leave.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Manthong
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I wish he had started a blog instead of a fire.

It might have done him, as well as some others good.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:54 | Link to Comment knowless
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they're generally referred to as MRA's (mens rights advocates), this mans story is only exceptional in the fact that he killed himself with fire, and wrote a final statement which so clearly outlined why. there are many blogs by men in similiar circumstances.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 10:14 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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After trying to read the content of the article, I'm so emotionally exhausted that I can't do my ordinary read of the comment section. So the guy was fucked up. He also made many specific references to what led him to the point at which he decided to fight against the regime in a way that was much more courageous than a punk assed, CIA coached, suicide bomber.

If there is a heaven, and I happen to get there, I hope that I get to meet this guy.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 17:07 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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As a shrink who has worked in the public sector with indigents and those with medicaid medicare and shitty hmo insurance I can assure you we are overworked and always looking for an excuse to drop someone from the clinic or kick them out of the hospital. We are overworked. That is why you always hear of the crazies having been briefly seen by someone then dropped from care right before they do something stupid.

It is easy to get out and stay out of the mental health system if you quit doing stupid shit that attracts the courts and the police.

Surprisingly many people cant stop doing stupid shit. I guess that is why we call them crazy

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:01 | Link to Comment Misstrial
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Tell that to his widow. She picked up the phone.

Sounds to me like a small matter that could have been handled privately.

~Misstrial

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 01:24 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Or he may have neglected to mention, in his final 'jesus christ pose' manifesto, that it wasn't the first time that he'd hit his kids and wife.

 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 06:22 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Do you know that for a fact, or are you just making it up?

If you're just making it up, what's your reason?

You seem to know more about this than anybody else...

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 13:47 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Simple application of Occam's razor. It it more likely that he went too far too many times and his wife was actually doing the right thing to protect her kids or that she called the cops on him spontaneously or for spite on the first instance of what sane people call child abuse? Either way...he hit his kid, gave up on his marriage, and didn't live up to his responsibilities as a father. As a father, I know this is not a situation that I will ever have to deal with in my home.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 14:21 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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.he hit his kid, gave up on his marriage, and didn't live up to his responsibilities as a father

That's lunacy. Do you hear yourself speaking? Kookville! 

You cannot "give up" your marriage (it's for life, forever) or your responsibilities as a father. Period.

 

 As a father, I know this is not a situation that I will everhave to deal with in my home.

That statement right there gave you away. You aren't a father. You are a woman.

 

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:50 | Link to Comment ViewfromUnderth...
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Insanity is a perfectly rational response to an insane world...

That was another shrinks somewhat more empathetic view. Oh I'm sorry, you are over-worked, all is forgiven.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 09:00 | Link to Comment ping
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As a shrink who has worked in the public sector...

 

Fucking BS. You're the stupid shit.

Many mental health workers have targets to meet for referring people to the police, or keeping people locked up because it makes their employers money - especially prisons and asylums. New York is especially bad for that, they lock up ten times as many people as most US states.  

I've had friends who worked in mental health. They tell me that you can pretty much pin a diagnosis of something serious on anyone, if you're creative. Once it's on file - it's there for ever. Good luck removing it, no matter how batshit it is. They told me about one guy who'd been diagnosed by their department head as 'mentally retarded', despite having coming top of his class at university and having a masters degree. He'll never get that 'expunged', and if any court requests his medical records, it can be used against him. You couldn't make it up.

And they told me that the list of psychiatric 'illnesses' keeps growing as big pharma thinks up new uses for its drugs, ever growing its market. Witness the explosion in ritalin and prozac. Psychiatrists are happy to prescribe away. It keeps the industry nice and big.

Many psychiatrists paid for the people they have on their books, or who they refer on to 'treatment'. Many make batshit decisions. I mean, thirty years ago, some cunt psychiatrist would have told a gay person, with absolute arrogant confidence, that their homosexuality was a mental illness. Remember 'hysteria'? That used to be a psychiatric diagnosis, but you could only get it if you were a chick, as it was your womb that caused it, you see. Jesus Christ, lots of psychiatrists believe in Jung's magical 'collective unconscious'! It's so far from science, it's not funny. 

Radovan Karadic? Phychiatrist. The Fort Hood killer? Psyhiatrist. Jung? Paid up, senior, active Nazi party member.

The poor bastard who burned himself - I take it on face value that he was right, and he was getting royally fucked by some ego-tripping fucktards.

 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 13:43 | Link to Comment Drachma
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"...crazies...stupid shit."

What page of the DSMMD did you learn that from? Please enlighten us some more with your sanity. I personally wouldn't call what you do "care" as you put it. I'm sure you have good intentions though, right? Sorry you feel you are over-worked. Try taking a break from the carousel ride once in a while for a dose of reality. That might help. Do they mention the word "soul" in your profession's bible? I suggest you feed yours from time to time.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:12 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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Is that from "Hotel California"???

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 13:28 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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God Bless the Man!!!

 

He served the Country for 21 years!

 

He was fed to the system, which is nothing more than a HUGE money maker for the State and all of those $200k a year Judges!

 

He fought for his Rights! He educated himself only to be run over by little dicked egos!

 

This Man is a HERO! for sharing the knowledge and completing what he was capable of completing in the face of a mountain of Lies created to keep him a captive of the Judical Money Machine.

 

I will say that it will be nice when people stop hurting themselves and opt for hurting those that have hurt them.

 

But other than that.. what are we shorting next week! gotta feed the family and work on the pension! I can NOT! wait for the system to come crashing down around you fucks that have ignored this issue for the last 30 - 40 years! I wish I could savor the moments that it sets in for each and everyone of you fucking cowards!

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 13:59 | Link to Comment ArmchairRevolut...
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"I will say that it will be nice when people stop hurting themselves and opt for hurting those that have hurt them."

Exactly. Seriously, if you are going to off yourself, take a few good targets with you.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Whoa Dammit
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This person was NOT a hero, nor did he behave like a mature man. He was a loser who hit his 4 year old daughter in the face when she tried to show him affection by licking his hand. He then went on to ruin his life and the life of his family because he could not admit that he was the one with a problem. I for one am glad he did not harm anyone else when he ended his worthless life.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 16:27 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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and how many of years of your life were dedicated to keeping this country secure? whether you like what the army does or who runs the army.. it was a selfless act of service for 21 fucking years of his life.. someone should cut your fucking fingers off for typing that shit you fucking pinko, commie, tree huggin, anti-violence tripin, moron! you sitting on your hands doing nothing but smoking weed and bitching about how the man holds you down has not slowed the man's progress. you are worthless to your coward self anf one better worthless to your fellow man!

 

The guy was a Hero, if only for his selfless service alone!

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Whoa Dammit
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It seems that JW has some anger issues. Heh.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 17:20 | Link to Comment MrButtoMcFarty
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One match short of a BBQ perhaps??

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:58 | Link to Comment prole
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Fuck 1183 and WhoDammit. Which one of you is Dave Duerson's wife? (oops-- widow)

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:35 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Nah, JW is perfectly fine.

You're the one who has anger issues- namely, you're too dimwitted to see that you *should* be righteously angry.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:01 | Link to Comment msamour
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Come on people stop feeding the troll, please. and Thank you.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 03:07 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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and how many of years of your life were dedicated to keeping this country secure? whether you like what the army does or who runs the army.. it was a selfless act of service for 21 fucking years of his life..

21 years keeping this country secure?  Selfless service?

How delusional.

That's insanity if I ever heard it.

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:05 | Link to Comment Misstrial
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Whoa Dammit:

How do you know the licking was due to affection? Where you there?

More likely than not, the licking was done as a sign of disrespect or to degrade her father sexually.

She deserved what she got and now her father is dead - all traceable back to her.

~Misstrial

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:33 | Link to Comment US Uncut
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What an IDIOT comment. Degrade her father sexually? GOOD FUCKING GRIEF. I have  4 year old and she likes to lick me on occasion. Kids are very tactile. They are also very powerless. And they know licking BUGS us. Put that all together and kids like to lick. Traceable to the HER? CHILDREN ARE NEVER RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ADULT PARENTS BEHAVIOR. EVER. Not, at least for one so young. 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 23:53 | Link to Comment MrButtoMcFarty
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A voice of reason.

Thank you.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:40 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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That is a flat-out load of crap.

I have a four year old- she can be irritating sometimes, but there is no doubt at all that she is not even remotely capable of attempting to degrade someone sexually.  She doesn't even know what the F*** that means.

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:59 | Link to Comment Gordon Freeman
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WD: Fuck you

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 06:39 | Link to Comment oulous
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This is correct. I have had times in my life where I have spun massive yarns to explain away a mistake I have made and it always ended in me blaming a large unbeatable system.

If you have the fury and the fire inside you don't hit a four year old girl, do your homework and make your violence count. There are plenty of guilty people in this world and if thats your fate, to be violent then do it with purpose.

So many acts of violence and terror are randomly directed and end up killing or hurting innocents. We have leadership that brought us into Iraq resulting in the deaths of soldiers and innocent Iraqi's, we have bankers that are pushing people to extreme levels of poverty, we have judges that rule in favor of the guilty.

Why not use your violent energy to forcibly arrest them and take them to jail in a symbolic citizens arrest? You will be the one arrested and prosecuted but you will make a strong sacrificial point. Why not attack a mob boss? Go find al zawahiri and collect the reward and start a charity (thats a tough one).

 

Blaming blaming blaming and then burning yourself is a waste. Design your violence, think it through so it is spent wisely. 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 17:03 | Link to Comment Hacksaw
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JW, this is just a preview of things to come. Probably the hardest thing for most folks to deal with in this destruction of the family and the middle class that's been happening for the last 30 years or so is the crushing of the belief system they have built their lives around.

When you come to the realization that most, if not all, of your beliefs were nothing more than propaganda foisted on you by those trying to control you or an attempt to take your hard earned money in exchange for some worthless crap, it can make you crazy.

I've been amazed for several decades now that there hasn't been more shoot outs in family court than there has been.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 23:18 | Link to Comment SilverFish
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What do you mean he served his country for 21 years?

Seems to me, he served the very douchebags that made the system the way it is, which helped put him in the situation he was in.

I get real tired of all the "he was a brave man who served his country" flag wavin' chest pounding BS. How about serving your own interests and let the politicians send their own kids to fight their battles? Theres a novel idea.

The last war were involved in where you can even remotely say a soldier "served his country" was WWII. The rest were bullshit, at the very least.

 

I do feel for the guy and the situation he was in, but it has nothing to do with the fact he was a soldier. He was a human being. Thats all it takes.

 

Served his country indeed........... yee-haw!!!

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 06:29 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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SilverFish, I think the coming social troubles will demonstrate clearly just how patriotic soldiers and police men really are...

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 12:24 | Link to Comment SilverFish
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Well, if things get bad enough, the govt wont be paying them and they will no longer be professional soldiers and policemen. Which is fine with me. People should serve their own best interests, soldier or not, policeman or not, instead of serving a government that disconnected itself from the people 50 years ago or more.

Doesn't take a title to make a man. He is what he is whether he has a uniform on or not. Bravery and toughness, patriotism and loyalty are just words that sound nice until they are truly put to the test. My guess, you'll have just as many non-soldiers and non-policemen showing bravery in hard times as you will paid ones.

 

In my eyes, those are the true patriots, not some guy that gets his paycheck from the government to do their bidding for them, like a dog that comes when you snap your fingers at him.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 01:56 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Agreed, JW.

The "people" that run the system are diseased to the point of soullessness. They deserve every torment that Hell holds for them.

In their adherence to the motto "Profits before people or planet" they have not only shit where they eat, they've shit where everyone eats.

As for you subhuman invertibrates continuously bleating, "but what about the CHEEEEELDREN," try reading the whole article. He was found not guilty of abuse, but you don't care about that. All you know is that some "official" somewhere said he was a bad man to a child, so therefore he must be crucified. Of course, you'll ignore all evidence indicating that this system is fucking the children in every way. You sanctimonious parasites make me sick. You are the lowest scum from the ocean floor, and when the system crumbles, your only potential contribution to what follows will be as compost.

I, too, gleefully anticipate the imminent collapse of the entire corrupt system. Life won't be easier, but it will be far more dignified.

 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:07 | Link to Comment msamour
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"You are the lowest scum from the ocean floor, and when the system crumbles, your only potential contribution to what follows will be as compost."

I like that, i'll have to remember that one for my repertoire.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 18:35 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Fourth Stooge, well said. Listen, I just moved my office from NH and moved my home several years ago.

If some of you people actually understood what the family courts in New Hampshire have done to fathers you would not be so quick to judge this man. He is a hero. The punishment doesn't fit the crime for Sgt. Balls slap to his daughters face.  

If you are a man in NH, you are a major target of the police state for the family law racketeering. Of course, the police beat on both men AND women in New Hampshire. But once in the family courts and your a father a common outcome is not seeing your kids for a year and if you oppose like Sgt. Ball did you wind being crucified. It lasts years and years. 

 The gender bias and social revenge is out of control. My ex-wife lied in Superior Court in Concord. That is called perjory. But the 'gentle' marital master let her get away with it. For nine years of my sons life, my ex who is a LPN ($18-$22) per hr job paid me no support. Every time she had built up support, she would make up a bogus charge ex-parte. Instant custody, my temporary support payments offsetting what she owed. I had support lowered to $25 a week to avoid the hassle but ex still did it again. A total of three times this happened. And each time she would claim she wasn't working so I had to pay for the Guardian Ad-Litem to investigate myself! 

 That this happened with Sgt. Ball immolating himself is no surprise to me at all. New Hampshire seemed like one of the trial-balloon states for an American police state. At one time, it was a near perfect place to live and conduct business.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 13:44 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Obviously, he was a troubled man.

NO....he was a man trapped by a troubled system. The system is broken. If you haven't raised a family and been through that hellish system of DV, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 14:13 | Link to Comment traderjoe
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Umm...I specifically did not reference what I thought he was troubled by. And, by definition, I cannot. My statement was a generic one - that I cannot know a man's mind because I do/did not walk in his shoes.  

My sense is that we largely agree, and therefore there's not as much difference then you perceived. 

I comment on this because I sometimes get the sense that the ZH comment board has become more angry over the last few months. Not that I don't think a good argument is worth it. But comments (many from trolls) like the one at the top (which hopefully will be gone soon) are a detraction from the information dissemination and discussion medium of ZH. Your comment, as an example and in my interpretation, sought the difference(s) between us, instead of merely informing me of your opinion, or attempting to bring us together. But, from your comment, we likely share more about this topic then disagree. 

Just some thoughts - trying to bring us together where applicable (to form a community of 'learners' and 'actors').

Perhaps CD should write an article about the ZH comment section... ;)

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 14:42 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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Thanks for a very insightful, and more importantly, constructive comment. Been reading zh since mar 09. Never thought I'd get massive junk for opposing child abuse. What happened to intelligent discourse

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 15:17 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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We all oppose child abuse. But what is child abuse? The government says any injury. But that's horseshit. 

The problem is the Government trying to tell you what is wrong and playing parent. That's not their job. Only God can judge you wrong, not the Government. So pray for guidance and protection and raise your children according to his laws, not theirs.

Spare the rod and spoil the child and you end up with an undisciplined child who is a disaster. The government won't care, but you will and so will God hold you accountable.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 15:42 | Link to Comment traderjoe
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And not just telling you what's wrong, but also determining guilt, determining the punishment, and then administering said 'justice'.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 15:45 | Link to Comment trav7777
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slapping is not abuse.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 16:29 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 23:55 | Link to Comment MrButtoMcFarty
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It was a 4 year old girl you fucking tools. 

What part of that do you fail to understand?

Slapping a 4 year old girl in the face hard enough to bust her lip ABSOLUTELY IS FUCKING ABUSE.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 00:54 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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He was found not guilty of abuse. What part of that don't you understand, skidmark?

 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 14:36 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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Maybe he doesn't understand all the stupid posts excusing this guy's behavior, sparky?

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 07:50 | Link to Comment Solid
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Slap in your kid does not give them a bloody lip. He lost me right there.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 07:55 | Link to Comment Solid
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Slapping your kid does not give them a bloody lip. He lost me right there.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 16:52 | Link to Comment Josey Montana
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I'm thinking you are the father of no one...

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:34 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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A very unintelligent comment which adds value to nothing has been deleted

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Whoa Dammit
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FOC 1183: re: massive junk for opposing child abuse.

It seems that some posters would be supportive even of a puppy torturer, if said torturer accompanied his actions with a long winded anti-government rant. Sad that.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:20 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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Agree, and thanks. May the FOC junkfest continue.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:32 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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No, your junked-into-oblivion comment was stupid, pointless, and sexually-oriented. A man chose to take his life, whatever the reasons. What a joke you can't figure out a little more solemnity is in order.

RIP 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:54 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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Stupid is somewhat subjective. The 'point' was that, regardless of how much compassion we feel for someone, certain actions destroy 'respect'. The ultimate pilots on 9/11 also chose to take their own lives. In their honor, should i have 'solemnity' for them, or the UST trader I was on the phone with when the plane hit (who subsequently jumped to his death)? And, still working on the sexually-oriented aspect. Any enlightenment would be appreciated.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:00 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Ah, reference to male anatomy? Ring a little bell?

What a waste of time.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:18 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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Now I see! Brilliant! I can now move on to finalizing my GUT of the physical universe. Einstein and quantum mechanics finally reconciled! Thanks for your contribution!

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:50 | Link to Comment traderjoe
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I don't think FOC had the lead comment that was junked into oblivion. 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Jaciems
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by Whoa Dammit 
on Sat, 06/18/2011 - 16:06
#1380889

This person was NOT a hero, nor did he behave like a mature man. He was a loser who hit his 4 year old daughter in the face when she tried to show him affection by licking his hand. He then went on to ruin his life and the life of his family because he could not admit that he was the one with a problem. I for one am glad he did not harm anyone else when he ended his worthless life.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:05 | Link to Comment mind_imminst
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No one here saw the incident. No one here knows how bad the "cut lip was". How can you definitely say it was something BAD, BAD, BAD. You are just playing into the hands of the bureaucracy and radical feminists. The minute you hear "child abuse" or "domestic violence" you ring the bell just like pavlov's dog. I was slapped many times as a kid, and spanked, what-not. Everyone I know has received some sort-of corporal punishment as a child. Every one of their parents (the men mostly) could be arrested in today's system.

 

You are not getting heat for coming out against child abuse, just getting heat for presuming to know every last detail, as if you were in the room when it happened, and then by default, supporting the un-ethical, un-constitutional domestic "law" in this country.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:57 | Link to Comment sleepingbeauty
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I am having a real problem coming up with a scenario where slapping your 4 year old daughter in the face, is not abusive. And yes the term abusive is subjective. I believe that I would subjectively call it abuse given that he described the situation and did not seem to think it was wrong.

However, I think he was a very smart man who took the time to understand the system and to write a cohesive piece on his experience. I think that the 2nd set of books is a huge danger to us all. It is a way to skirt the legislative process and that, in my books is putting power into the hands of people who have no right to that power. Bureaucracy on a huge power trip. I see evidence of a second set of books here in Canada as well.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 00:49 | Link to Comment Debt is Slavery
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A woman in Corpus Christi Texas was just given 5 years probation for spanking her child...

http://www.volunteertv.com/national/headlines/Mom_pleads_guilty_to_spank...

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:46 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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You warn a child three times and then slap them and that is abuse. The governemnt schools are strong in this one... The intelligent thing to have said was that you did not see the "abuse" you supposed there was abuse and your commentary started there. In other words the Governments word is worth more than a deathbed statement to you. Your side is known, move along.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 23:53 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Yes, everyone is getting more angry.

And yes, that sucks.

It goes back to the big issue, and that is that we are all being hurt by a faceless, nameless foe who is only ever identified obliquely.  Those of us who try to fight back find nothing but a blank and featureless fog for a target, and it leaves no outlet for aggression.

And so it goes- I can't find my real enemy, so I fight the ones I can see.  It's not good for any of us, but it's a fundimental component of human nature.  While it would be wonderful if we were all able to curb our animal instincts, I fear it's going to get much worse before it can get better.  I'm as guilty of this as anyone else, and probably worse than many.

Don't blame this site or it's comment board- as a guy who lurked for a long time before signing up to comment, I can see what you're saying- but it's still better than most of your other options these days.  Blame the ones who did this, not the ones who are tired of being abused.

We can't have the conversation that should be occuring, because this is a public board.  No reason to be rounded up and imprisoned or executed before the fireworks begin.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 10:32 | Link to Comment forexskin
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+1

 

good comment, and finds the mark with respect to the article as well.

 

this guy, right or wrong, had the leviathan fog focused on him.

 

hell on earth

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 17:12 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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The system is troubled.

Nonetheless he contributed to the problems. Projecting blame and rationalizing all setbacks as the fault of others guarantees one will continue to make the same mistakes and one will never full mature as an individual.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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psychiatrist, now that is illuminating..

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 06:29 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Traderjoe, the perason who wrote this whilst clearly pissed at the whole system does not strike me as mentally ill.

Perhaps he was one of the few people one comes across in life that is prepared to back up mere words with action...

whatever the cost...

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Total Collapse
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This man, like Joe Stack, was pushed over the edge by an out of control and totally broken bureaucracy.  Expect to see a lot more of this when the SHTF big time.  I suspect a lot of judges, politicians, lawyers, mental health care workers, CEO's, bureaucrats, etc will be taken out in the process.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:55 | Link to Comment samseau
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So slapping your child means you deserve arrest, restraining orders, complete barring of your children, and confiscation of 1/3 your income for child support.

 

You are a fucking moron, go fuck yourself.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 13:28 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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"The beatings will now begin!" - Bill Cosby

We could use more public canings IMO

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 14:04 | Link to Comment ArmchairRevolut...
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Public canings of bankers is not such a bad idea!

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 16:57 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Robespierre had a more effective solution.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Rhodin
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The beatings will continue until the recipients are overly gratefull! 

"Animal House" had it right.  "Thank you, sir.  May I have another?"  spoken with sincerity, is the only response that confuses them.

/sarc off

Was this guy a child abuser?  Possibly.  I wasn't there.  One could stop a child licking one's hand by simply withdrawing the hand though.

Does the criminal system tend to eat up and destroy families, as alleged?  It does, per this and much else i hear.

Will violence against local police help this situation?  I doubt it.

This guy (says he) had 21 years in the Army, and wants others in his situation to attack police stations.   I doubt others will be inspired to such attacks by his example.  If I'm wrong, I doubt that attacks will do any good.

 

 

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 16:39 | Link to Comment chubbar
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What a fucking asshole you are! You've done nothing in your life to deserve the respect I would give to a man who stands up for what he believes by giving his life for a cause. You didn't read a fucking thing he had to say. Discipline is not a crime. He didn't "beat" his kid, he slapped her. I wouldn't have done it to my girl but he's her dad, not you or I. Fuck you for trying to delegitimize his well researched manifesto on how this country treats domestic violence.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 20:04 | Link to Comment Shock and Aweful
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"kind of hard to respect a man who hits his daughter in the face"..

 

Shit fool...you make it sound like he smashed her face in with a lead pipe or something...

 

What you SHOULD take away from this story is that a man, who had NEVER had any run-in's with the law or legal system...got pissed at his daughter...and in a moment did ONE stupid thing...maybe just hit her a little too hard...and voila!  He is dogged by the local/ state penal apartatchiks for the next ten years.

 

If you have kids...you had BETTER NEVER  spank them in a store or anyplace where your "saftey-watch" neighbor might see and turn your ass in...

You never know....once your ass is labeled as an "abuser" of children and women...your life will never be the same...and maybe in 10 years...we will be reading a story about your dumb ass...and how  you splattered your brains all over the courthouse....

 

DID YOU READ THE FUCKING STORY DIPSHIT?

 

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:04 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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Run-ins. Plural, not possessive.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 23:35 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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You are a clown.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 04:52 | Link to Comment Gringo Viejo
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Things fall apart; the centre canot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.     William Butler Yeats

 

 

Say what you will, this man had conviction.

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:40 | Link to Comment LowProfile
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It's just you, and it's not anywhere near as big a dick as you are.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:49 | Link to Comment J.B. Books
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I read this yesterday..  It has very little to do with this man's personal issues and more to do with Government's intractability.

Try opening a business of any size in this country.. it's impossible, unless of course you got the $$$ to "pay off" the paper pushers.

J.B. Books. 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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You have to ask yourself just how fucking stupid and corrupt Mexico is, that they can't see just how much money they could make sharing a border with a suicidal giant.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 10:11 | Link to Comment Mec-sick-o
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Half truth at its best.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 14:51 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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One of the first principles of government I like to tell people and burn into their brains is "No government agency or bureaucrat anywhere at any level in this country has the job to do anything for you or get you something. They all have one job only and it is the same for all of them. That job is to execute government policy." I hope if this is a new concept to you that you will read it over and over until a lightbulb goes off and then tell others. Look in your own experiences with government and you will confirm the truth of it.

This story is a perfect example. It is full of probably otherwise reasonable people who simply go "by the book". As he calls it, it is the "second set" of books. The only way a government employee, including a cop gets in trouble is to go against policy. It does not matter how stupid or inappropriate the policies are, they will execute them and collect their paychecks. The best you will get is a statement of sympathy.

It is why I assert that you do NOT want government to provide any service they don't have to. I even believe police forces should be private security. Speeding tickets, seatbelt laws, etc would drop to virtual zero plus the insance time, stress and money losses these things create.

I really feel sorry for this guy but he is symptomatic of what is wrong in America. I think it is this underlying but growing recognition that we cannot move, breathe or speak in this country without crossing some government agency's jurisdiction. Frankly, we are subjects not citizens and I think the Tea Party and others knows that instinctively. Fortunately, they actually resent it, too which gives me hope.

I truly believe that about 40% of the country is happy being sheep and don't mind if their neighbor gets sheared so long as they get part of the take. A small number actually value liberty and resent the everpresent iron fist of the State. The rest are in the muddled middle and are just uncomfortable with things but don't really know why. They might be convinced over time.

I feel sorry for this guy but I kind of admire his conviction and that he didn't harm others. I hope his gesture results in some good.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 17:58 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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"There's no way to rule innocent men.  The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals.  Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them.  One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.  Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens?  What's there in that for anyone?  But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted--and you create a nation of law-breakers--and then you cash in on guilt.  Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with. --   Dr. Floyd Ferris

 

We were warned.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:11 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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That book is a freakin' prophecy.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Mec-sick-o
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"The past does not repeat itself, but it rhymes."

Mark Twain


Sun, 06/19/2011 - 05:25 | Link to Comment BayAreaAlan
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One thing that has been bothering me lately is the thought that Alan Greenspan was a insider or follower of Ayn Rand.  This is not mentioned very often.

 

I generally believe Ayn Rand's philosophy and books are good, I don't take them all literally.

 

And i know Mr. Greenspan has commented in practical compromise, his pre-fed business was empirical statistics.

 

But, still, this bothers me -- the dichotomy of a woman who wrote such incredible things, and a follower who did such poor things.

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:11 | Link to Comment Misstrial
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+1000.

Never underestimate the power of the bureaucracy to make your life miserable.

AKA: Code of Federal Regulations.

~Misstrial

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Sabremesh
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LRC Fan - Why are you posting on ZH, you imbecilic cunt? This site is not for you.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 13:31 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 13:18 | Link to Comment treemagnet
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I actually logged in just to junk you asshole.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 13:54 | Link to Comment septicshock
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seriously, did the same thing.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 13:49 | Link to Comment septicshock
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You fucking puke, show some respect.  This man gave his life to bring an issue to the forefront.  He never denied that he slapped his child ONCE.  He feels guilty for it and has paid a price many times over for it.  

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 22:18 | Link to Comment sleepingbeauty
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He is very bright and has written an excellent piece on this issue, but there is no hint of remorse. But it was quite long, I read it twice but might have missed it. He may have paid dearly but he never admitted guilt or even seemed to think slapping her was wrong.

And no where does he claim it was an isolated incident.

He does deserve respect for his military service and for bringing the 2nd set of books of the law into the public eye.

 

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 11:41 | Link to Comment HangSorosHigh
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"Starting over from scratch" is like turning a clock back: the clock will just move forward again to whatever it was at before.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:19 | Link to Comment BKbroiler
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You slapped a four-year old for licking you?

Right?

Even Hitler could write engagingly.  This guy is better off a stain on the sidewalk.

 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 18:19 | Link to Comment Dental Floss Tycoon
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In the great scheme of things a cut lip is a small evil compared to the monstrous atrocities committed by the state.  

 

Having said that I have more respect for the "real" Tyler Durden or Tim McVeigh than Tom Ball.

 

Many in this fight club have become a bunch of statist pussies.

 

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:20 | Link to Comment deepsouthdoug
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Agree.  Hitting a little girl so hard she bleeds is not acceptable.  Bring on the junk ratings.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:54 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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Yep.

Seems like he could have avoided all his 'troubles' if he'd simply taken a few precautionary steps:

1) Don't marry a vindictive wife.

2) If you must marry a vindictive wife, don't have kids.

3) If you must have kids, don't smack them for licking you.

4) If you must smack your kids, at least try to reconcile with their mother.

5) If you refuse to reconcile with the mother of your children, at least pay your child support.

I see this everyday; idiots who blame everyone else for their own stupid actions.

To these fools, 'freedom' means the ability to avoid responsibility for bad behaviour.

 

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 13:38 | Link to Comment Tejano
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OK. Here are some more general precautionary steps:

- Don't "get married".

- Don't join anything (esp. army and national guard or anything with a Human Resources dept.).

- Read and re-read Harry Browne's "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World"

- Live free. The dying part will take care of itself.

Thomas Ball got on the wrong bus back in the Viet Nam era, and never got off.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Incubus
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living all of that, except for the last two. 

I'd be delusional if I called this "freedom."

And yeah -- the conditioning and socialization that comes from joining "groups" makes me sick just thinking of it.  I am not "syncing" my mind with anyone or any group.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Tejano
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My people have an aphorism, "Man who stand on hill with mouth open wait long time for duck soup."

See Epcitetus - or Harry Browne.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 15:13 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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I categorically agree but the details are not there. A fingernail could cut, a bit lip, what? Even assuming the worst you want to, I don't see the need for the extremes presented in his letter. I would like to see the other side perhaps. However, life is not perfect and we all always think we can run and intervene in other lives better than our own.

Almost every parent has times when they thought they were too harsh or severe, at least these days. The question is what the norm is. I can tell you growing up that most of us kids in my neighborhood had some broken skin or a bruise from belts or wooden spoons or my favorite...the switch...a branch off a tree in your yard your mom told you to get so she could swat you with it, lol!

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 15:25 | Link to Comment wisefool
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And giving some peace for the man, (without know his details) in his discussion, about his own mother. My mom did that to me once, "go get a switch". I did and the 2 "swats" I got were probably the lightest sensations I ever had in my life. But from that moment forward,  she could shape my behavior with one phrase "You are going to have to go get a switch" which never really happened again. I still misbehaved, but not unchecked.

I hope Barack and Boehner fire some golf drives in the woods today and find a switch or two.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:16 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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Picking the swtich was an art. Too small and mom would go out and come back with some real lumber. Too big and you really get hurt. Hard decision for a little guy, lol.

Look, this guy may have been too harsh in a moment of frustration. Dare I say we've all done that and been on both ends of that? Feeding him to the bureaucracy and treating him automatically from day 1 like a true wife and child beater and molester is way over the top. I have to think a guy that writes as well as this is capable of reasonable self control and decision making. He didn't know it but his life was over in an impulsive moment. No matter how you spin that, it doesn't sit well.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:57 | Link to Comment samseau
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So slapping your child means you deserve arrest, restraining orders, complete barring of your children, and confiscation of 1/3 your income for child support.

 

You are a fucking moron, go fuck yourself.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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+1

Let the self-hypnotized ZH morons junk you all they wish.  Hitting a four year old girl that hard for doing nothing wrong is way fucked up.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 15:45 | Link to Comment trav7777
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and?

You shouldn't have your life destroyed for one fucking mistake.

Don't watch old movies; people used to get slapped in them.  Hell in 12 angry men, the dude told the guy who was mouthing off to the old man, "you talk like that to him again, I am going to lay you out."

Now look at what type of society we have...no civility whatsoever.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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Seems to me the guy destroyed his own life with his behavior and choices. I'm guessing (hoping) you're not a father.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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+1

Let the self-hypnotized ZH morons junk you all they wish.  Hitting a four year-old that hard for doing nothing wrong is way fucked up. Hitting a kid hard enough to break their lip is not a spanking.

Suicide is a selfish, chickenshit way out.  He abandoned his kids by depriving them of a father.  As bad as the system may be, his act did nothing to change it. But it's not surpising hat a negative act like this is more appealing to ZH kool-aid drinking nihilists than a positive act would have been.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 17:10 | Link to Comment chubbar
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He didn't desert his kids, asshole. The state took them from him. The judge refused him access. Read the fucking brief, then go fuck yourself!

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 23:17 | Link to Comment trav7777
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and the guy is right!!  there is NO REAL LAW in this arena.

The fucking departments MAKE UP POLICY.

For example, the county I live in has its OWN guidelines from CPS as far as how old a child has to be to be home alone and for how long.  There IS NO LAW.  They just promulgate their own opinions on it and if you run afoul of these, they can peremptorily take your kids from you.  You cross a street and you are in another county with its own set of rules on this. 

And some judge acting on no legislative authority can bless this bullshit.  The entire institution of divorce and family law is garbage.  Anyone who's been through a divorce has had their lawyer tell them it comes down to whatever the judge feels like today.

ONLY laws expressing a presumption of shared custody spare children from being awarded as a stack of chips to the mom who always has the superior hand.  A divorce lawyer cannot even show you any freaking PRECEDENT, which is the bedrock of everything every lawyer in the country studies in law school in terms of establishing what the effective law IS.  There's no precedent, no rules.  A judge can decide on that day for any reason whatsoever to take every fucking dollar you have and eliminate you from your children's lives and there is nothing whatsoever you can do about it.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 00:56 | Link to Comment Debt is Slavery
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As per the stories I've seen, children are in much more danger while under CPS supervision.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 01:25 | Link to Comment Rick64
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 The IRS/Gestapo is the king of policy production wherein the public believes it is law because they falsely proclaim it to be.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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Learn to read, dumbshit.  I was referring to his suicide, which deprived his kids of a father, forever.

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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The State deprived him of their father for years, then he finished himself off. I don't believe you read the story as other commentators have pointed out. The backlash of these politics on women as the economy unravels is going to be severe. That is a part of his suicide letter he alluded too and condoned which I didn't like. But factually he will proven correct.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 18:35 | Link to Comment mind_imminst
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It is amazing to see so many comments from posters who seemed to have been in theroom when the "child abuse' happened. WTF. Now it is a "broken lip', not a cut lip (according to your post imagination. No of us were there. It might have been bad. It might not have been bad. I have gotten "cut lips" very easily on the inside of my lip from my teeth, just from bumping into something. Maybe the guy deserved it. Maybe not. I just can't believe how many dogs of pavlov are in the comment section, blindly supporting unconsitutional domestic violence laws, when they weren't even there to see the incident.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Even on ZH, there exist many whom the Government indoctrination is strongly embedded they may not even realize it. The yearning for a daddy or mommy makes the indoctrination pleasurable and disbeleieving the party line is painful. So yes, if it takes their placing themselves in the room to still love mommy government and daddy "second set of books" well then they will. Sides are being drawn in this country you all be careful which side you end up on.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:25 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Well said.

And corporal punishment is not child abuse.  The linking of these two things is the work of state and county bureaucratic entities, the busy body cogs of the State, the nanny state.  I find it shocking that so many here cannot differentiate between corporal punishment and child abuse.  It is pure ignorance and group think.

Very disappointing to see this utter lack of critical thinking here on the Hedge.

 

 

Sun, 06/19/2011 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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Violence is the first resort of the incompetent.

I can tell the difference between a swat on the butt and slapping a toddler in the face. I don't know too many parents who would punish their FOUR YEAR OLD daughter by slapping her hard in the face... for doing nothing wrong.  The guy obviously had issues, all you idiots trying to make a big political case out of this just don't want to see it.

 

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 10:44 | Link to Comment forexskin
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asshole!

one man can make a mistake, many mistakes in his life. i have.

only the state can retaliate like this, which is the point of the article.

what f@cking planet are you on?

you just ran into a tree, and you want to blame your nose for being the first to feel the pain?

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 11:39 | Link to Comment falak pema
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The Tunisian torch comes to USA.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 11:47 | Link to Comment drB
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No, the population is too busy watching Dancing with the stars and following Weiners escapades. Tunisian people apparently care more about country they live in, here it is bread and circuses.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:03 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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YES........Our Tunisian moment has arrived!!

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:22 | Link to Comment falak pema
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is that ghost talk or Cheney talk? '

'Cos if its Cheney talk I smell a red herring, a false flag to start a war on Syria!

"Blame it all on "Osama bin Assad"...

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:34 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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Syria, Iran, Pakistan, China........take ur pick......its coming.....the "war department" will not be denied..........

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 16:10 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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So, when are you hitting the streets?

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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That came and went in 2009 Falak

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,501864,00.html

But, the lids are heavy

comfortably numb

Not dumb

just tired

been lied to

2 much.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/nuclear-american-cross-other-thoughts/

 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 14:32 | Link to Comment I Got Worms
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Unfortunately, Joe 6-Pack stopped reading as soon as he saw the guy was behind on child support, and started looking around for the remote control.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 15:10 | Link to Comment Incubus
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LOL>

 

yeah right.  Not even this can get this nation of sycophants to do anything.   The only way you will spur them to -anything- is if you take away their phones, computers, and televisions.

 

Until then, good luck.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 19:14 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Nice, just told my wife the story of the Tunisian fruit seller and the American Army sergeant. Perhaps Petreaus is coming home to save us all from ourselves...

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Zetetic
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Self-Immolation on this here soil.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:47 | Link to Comment Saxxon
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+1 it is a remarkable monstrosity of an event to occur in hometown U.S.A.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 11:50 | Link to Comment SmoothCoolSmoke
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...and slowly, the storm clouds grow.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 11:48 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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Anyone who wants an interesting journey, spend a few months reading about the Domestic Violence (DV) Industry.

Do not misinterpret:  I am not involved, have not been involved in any way at all.  But if you'd like more examples of how rights are routinely trampled, and how double standards exist and are ruthlesslly enforced, there are examples aplenty.  I started reading after the Duke rape case, and was revolted by what I found. 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 11:53 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Dukes don't ever rape...they penetrate new territory. The legal system understands that only too well.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:15 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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My husband is a shrink. SW, you are right that it is an industry. He used to run a DV program for the state. He dropped out of doing it because the state had so many mandates and things that had to be said and done to the (mostly) guys that you couldn't do any real counseling and get at the underlying issues. Everyone shows up and is fake, the assailant because the judge says to comply, my husband because he is trying to do all this stuff to be in compliance with state regs. Sometimes he had to do underhanded stuff to try and get through to these guys that he was on their side and really wanted to help. He wanted to get to the bottom of why they were in the pain, why they were compelled to beat folks up in the first place. My husband was convinced that some of them could be worked with and genuinely helped, but the state got in the way too often. A therapist has to cultivate trust with a client. The state does nothing to help cultivate trust. My husband, like you, came to it that this was an industry (then again he is very critical of his entire profession as an "industry") and that he, finally, wanted no part of doing to these guys what was being done. He knew he wasn't helping, only getting a check from the state to go through the motions of helping.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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++  Thanks for sharing that.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 13:28 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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Therapy, done for the State, becomes something other than therapy.

Research, done for the State, becomes something other than research.

Charity, done for the State, becomes something other than charity.

Defense, done for the State, becomes something other than defense.

Education, done for the State, becomes something other than education.

I have begun to detect a pattern.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 15:48 | Link to Comment trav7777
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I have been caught up in this same industry.  However, I am an attorney and I knew how to play the game and I ultimately won.

I have friends who didn't know how to play and ended up repeatedly in jail.  There are certain things you have to know to say and things you cannot say.  Certain things you can do and certain things you must not do.

Women will try to utterly fuck you up in every which way imaginable these days and the law facilitates it.  The society in its aggregate is in complete terminal decline

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 16:06 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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You, an attorney? The angriest ahole on here?

LMAO. 

Man, you need a new profession.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 21:12 | Link to Comment prole
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Soundsl like he has the perfect profession.

(removes hat...)

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 16:35 | Link to Comment hardcleareye
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"Women will try to utterly fuck you up in every which way imaginable these days and the law facilitates it." 

This begs the question, what did you do to piss them off? 

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 23:19 | Link to Comment trav7777
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ROTFL...you blame the man as a reflex?

She was fucking crazy...she at one point accused me of being the fucking DC Sniper.  Guess who has custody now?

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 17:02 | Link to Comment Azannoth
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I came within 1 bad decision of getting kicked out of school(at university) because a girl accused me of stalking her(yes I was into her but didn't do any stalking),

there was no fact checking no nothing I was summoned into a room and was told that a procedure was going on against me 1 week after it started so I was completely in the dark as to what was actually happening, I think I only got a 2nd chance because I made a good impression on the Head who was a guy, however it was made clear to me that if I ever come within 10 meters of her I would be out

"This begs the question, what did you do to piss them off?" That does not matter if a woman accuses you of anything your basically guilty till prooven innocent

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