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Guest Post: New Hampshire Man Burns Self At Courthouse In Protest
From Jim Quinn At The Burning Platform
New Hampshire Man Burns Self At Courthouse In Protest
A New Hampshire man burned himself to death in front of a
courthouse. The specific reasons are individual to him, regarding a
domestic violence arrest and prosecution. But the larger reason he
killed himself is that he says the system no longer follows the Rule of
Law. Once you read past the details, he gives a fascinating analysis of
the system. He argues for a complete takedown of the Federal Government
and starting over from scratch.
He may be an example of what is to come - people throwing themselves violently up against the system in order to bring it down.
It's fifteen pages. Longer than Joe Stack's. But much shorter than the Obamacare bill.
Here is the link:
http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/last-statement-sent-to-sentinel-from-self-immolation-victim/article_cd181c8e-983b-11e0-a559-001cc4c03286.html
Editor’s note: On Thursday morning, June 16, The Sentinel received a
“last statement” via mail from a man who insinuated that he planned to
set himself on fire in front of the Cheshire County Court House, and an
explanation of why he intended to do so. Through further reporting, The
Sentinel is confident this is from the victim of Wednesday afternoon’s
fire, although police have not yet received confirmation of his
identity. The 15-page statement is printed in full, except for two
redacted items: The names of the man’s mother and his three children.
Details will be posted as they become available.
Last Statement
by Tom Ball
A man walks up to the main door of the Keene N.H. County Courthouse,
douses himself with gasoline and lights a match. And everyone wants to
know why.
Apparently the old general was right. Death is not the worst of evil.
I am due in court the end of the month. The ex-wife lawyer wants me
jailed for back child support. The amount ranges from $2,200. to $3,000.
depending on who you ask. Not big money after being separated over ten
years and unemployed for the last two. But I do owe it. If I show up for
court without the money and the lawyer say jail, then the judge will
have the bailiff take me into custody. There really are no surprises on
how the system works once you know how it actually works. And it does
not work anything like they taught you in high school history or civics
class.
I could have made a phone call or two and borrowed the money. But I
am done being bullied for being a man. I cannot believe these people in
Washington are so stupid to think they can govern Americans with an iron
fist. Twenty-five years ago, the federal government declared war on
men. It is time now to see how committed they are to their cause. It is
time, boys, to give them a taste of war.
There are two kinds of bureaucrats you need to know; the ones that
say and the ones that do. The bridge between them is something I call
The Second Set of Books. I have some figures of the success of their
labors. You and I are in these numbers, as well as our spouses and
children. But first let me tell you how I ended up in this rabbit hole.
My story starts with the infamous slapping incident of April 2001.
While putting my four year old daughter to bed, she began licking my
hand. After giving her three verbal warnings I slapped her. She got a
cut lip. My wife asked me to leave to calm things down.
When I returned hours later, my wife said the police were by and said
I could not stay there that night. The next day the police came by my
work and arrested me, booked me, and then returned me to work. Later on
Peter, the parts manager, asked me if I and the old lady would be able
to work this out. I told him no. I could not figure out why she had
called the police. And bail condition prevented me from asking her. So I
no longer trusted her judgment.
After six months of me not lifting a finger to save this marriage,
she filed for divorce. Almost two years after the incident, I was
talking with her on the phone. She told me that night she had called a
mental health provider we had for one of the kids. Wendy, the counselor
told my then wife that if she did not call the police on me, then she
too would be arrested.
Suddenly, everything made sense. She is the type that believes that
people in authority actually know what they are talking about. If both
she and I were arrested, what would happen to our three children, ages
7,4 and 1? They would end up in State custody. So my wife called the
police on her husband to protect the children. And who was she
protecting the kids from? Not her husband, the father of these children.
She was protecting them from the State of New Hampshire.
This country is run by idiots.
The police sergeant Freyer screwed this up from the get go. When I
got the Court Complaint form the box was checked that said Domestic
Violence Related. I could not believe that slapping your child was
domestic violence. So I looked up the law. Minor custodial children are
exempted. Apparently, 93% of American parents still spank, slap or pinch
their children. To this day I still wonder if Freyer would have made
this arrest if it had been the mother that had slapped the child.
Labeling someone’s action as domestic violence in American in the
21st century is akin to labeling someone a Jew in Germany in the 1930′s.
The entire legal weight of the state is coming down on him. But I
consider myself lucky. My family was destroyed. But that poor bastard in
Germany had his family literally annihilated.
Arrests are mandatory for the police in New Hampshire for domestic
violence. That is not law. That is police department policy. Laws come
from the Legislature and the Governor’s office together. God only knows
where these policies come from. The State’s Attorney General also has a
mandatory arrest protocol for domestic violence. I call these policies,
procedures and protocols The Second Set of Books. You never cover the
Second Set of Books your junior year in high school. That because we are
not suppose to have a Second Set of Books. This is America-we have the
rule of law.
I am a regular guy, a coffee and cheeseburger type of fellow. As
remarkable as my life has been, I figure that what happens to me must be
happening to others as well. I was 48 years old when I got arrested
here for my first time. So I went looking for the arrest numbers for
domestic violence, this new group that I had unwilling joined. I could
not find anything. So I wrote the U.S. Dept. of Justice in Washington.
They wrote back that they did not keep track of domestic violence
arrests. The FBI keeps track of all other crimes. How come not domestic
violence? I thought some low level clerk was blowing me off.
At the time, I had mailing addresses in both New Hampshire and
Massachusetts. So I wrote to all six Congressional offices, the two
Senators from each state and the two Congressman. They like doing favors
for constituents hoping you will favorably remember their name in the
voting booth. All six offices reported back the same thing. They do not
know how many arrests for domestic violence have been made. I
immediately knew something was wrong. And I also knew this was not going
to be good.
Improvise, adapt and overcome. The Army teaches that to every soldier
it trains. They say that no battle plan survives the first five minutes
of combat. So your people on the ground had better be able to think for
themselves. Taking casualties in war is just an occupational hazard.
Taking casualties and not accomplishing your mission is a disaster.
After 21 years of Army service, I am pretty good at improvising.
The first thing I found was a study not of domestic violence arrests
but of domestic violence injuries for 18 unnamed states and the D.C. in
the year 2000. In the study 51% of the injuries were ‘no injuries’. So I
knew I had a study of police reports. Who else but a police officer
would record no injuries? I populated that out to the 50 states and came
up with 874,000 arrest in the year 2000.
I had originally populated the number back to 1994 when the Violence
Against Women Act (VAWA) was enacted into law. I would later find out
these arrests stated with the U.S. Attorney General’s Task Force of
Domestic Violence ten years earlier in 1984. As individual states data
became available for various years and states, I would incorporated in
to my informal study. The number I have now in 2011 is 36 million adults
have been arrested for domestic violence. I have a gut feeling this
number could be as high as 55 million. But I only have data to 36
million. So 36 million it stays. And there is a really cool trick you
can do once you have this number. You can find out how many American
men. women and children ended up homeless because of these arrests.
Most of the domestic violence statistics I have seen break down with
75% male and 25% female being arrested. So I am going to used the male
pronoun for the one arrested spouse and the female pronoun for the
victim spouse. That should make the domestic violence feminists
ecstatic-man bad, woman good. But that is okay because that is probably
the last nice thing I am going to do for them today.
When then a man is arrested for domestic violence, one of two things
can happen. If they are only dating and have separate apartments, then
he can head home. But if they are living together, then this fellow has a
real problem. Bail conditions and then a possible protective or
restraining order prevent him from being with her. So he needs to find a
new place to live, at least until the charges are resolved. The King of
his Castle is no longer allowed into his castle. A feminist name Pence
who wrote that was absolutely giddy at that outcome. So he can get his
own place if he has enough money. Or he can move in with his mother, his
sister or another relative. He might have a girl friend who would let
him stay with her. And if none of this is possible, well then I guess he
is sleeping in his car down by the river.
If he has minor children, money will soon turn into an issue. Most
men I know do not mind paying child support. They want their kids to
have food on their plates, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their
heads. But it does stress that man’s finances. Child support is usually
33% of the man’s gross income. Withholding for taxes, social security
and health insurance can range up to 28% of his gross paycheck. So a man
making $500 a week gross has only $825 monthly left over after
withholding and child support. That is not enough money for an apartment
here in Central Massachusetts. That does not include other expenses
like heating, electric, gas, groceries, telephone, cable, car payment
and car insurance. So he is in a financial hole. Estimates of homeless
men run 82% to 94%. I am going to round that down to 80%.
After the King has left his castle, his wife runs into a problem. She
was use to getting his whole paycheck for the household. Now she get a
third for child support. Figure they both work and made the same money,
her budget went from 100% down to 66%. If she was running the house on
$3,045. a month when the King was home, now without him she only has
$2,220. Most households in America cannot withstand a 27% hit on the
household account. She’ll juggle the bills but eventually most wives
figure out that they can pay all the smaller bills if they just does not
pay the big bill. That would be the rent or the mortgage. So six to
nine months after the King is out of the castle, the Queen, the Princes
and the Princesses are also on the street. Domestic violence feminists
state that 50% of victim spouses of domestic violence end up homeless at
some time in their lives.
The last group of homeless from these arrests are children. The
domestic violence feminists state that 70% of domestic violence couple
have children. So 50% female times 70% children equals 35%. But children
is plural. So we will double to 70%.
(Odd isn’t it? They know that 50% of victim spouses end up homeless
and that 70% of them have children. How can they know the percentages
when they do not know how many total arrests were made? Those people at
the U.S. Justice Dept. cannot even pull off a credible cover-up. )
Men are 0.8, women are 0.5, and children are 0.7 for a grand total of
2.0 homeless Americans for every domestic violence arrest. Multiply
that by 36 million and you get 72 million men, women and children ending
up homeless at some point in their lives over the last 25 years because
of these domestic violence arrests.
That is a really large number even by Washington standards. That is
almost 25% of the entire population of the U.S. using 2010 census
figures. Which begs the question did these homeless people contribute to
this latest economic meltdown, or did they cause it? Because if they
did cause it then the recovery will not be measure in months or years
but in decades.
Some of the boys in the Father’s Movement think Congress might have
shot themselves in the foot over this one. Personally, I think they shot
themselves some place anatomically higher. No wonder the Speaker of the
House is always crying. The Dummies on the Potomac.
Twenty-five years ago the federal government start pushing these
arrests on state’s legal systems. Now, we have an economy on the rope.
They have thrown a huge amount of money at banks, big business and local
and states government. And we are still in the mud. But no economist
either at the Treasury Dept., Federal Reserve, universities or think
tanks are even looking at the impact of all these broken families. If
that 36 million arrest is correct, then 72 million men and women, have
been throw out of the middle class into subsistence living. Or is the
number 55 million and 110 million? No one knows and no one is even
looking. But why should look? According to the Attorney General, we do
not know how many arrests we have made.
And if the Tea Party is any indication, insurrection is brewing in
the land. Just a coincident? Not likely. This is what happens when the
government wipes out the middle class.
The idea for these arrests came from something called the Minneapolis
Police Experiment (MPE) of 1981-82. In the experiment police offices
were given pads with one of three words written on them; counsel, send
or arrest. Counsel meant the officer was to try to mediate the couple’s
spat. Send was to send one of the spouses out of the house for eight
hours as a cooling off period. Arrest was arrest one of the two spouses.
The officer was to do as the top paper on the pad said to do. The
experiment was set up by the Police Foundation and Lawrence W. Sherman
was the lead researcher. The results show counseling resulted in a
future assault in 24% cases, send was 19%, and the arrest option
resulted in a future assault in only 10% of the cases. Perhaps a cheap
way of cutting down future domestic violence.
In 1984 The U. S. Attorney General’s Task Force of Domestic Violence
recommended arrest as the primary weapon in domestic violence assault.
Lawrence W. Sherman recommend not using the arrests because the MPE was
just one study and it could be wrong. They ignored him. And by 1992, 93%
of the police departments in the nation had adopted some form of
mandatory arrest in domestic violence cases.
But by 1992 five more addition studies similar to the MPE became
available. Lawrence W. Sherman reviewed all five studies. Then once
again he wrote that the police should not use arrest. In two of the five
studies, they found the same result as they did in the MPE, that an
arrest cut down the odds of a future assault. But in the other three
studies an arrest actually increase the odds of a future assault. So
arresting someone in a domestic violence situation to cut down on future
assaults did not work any better than just flipping a coin. I do not
know if Lawrence W. Sherman is still alive. But fortunately he wrote a
book call Policing Domestic Violence that was published in 1992.
So we have 800,000 American police officers arresting one in every
six adults in the country and throwing 25% of the men, women and
children out on the streets in an effort to enforce a policy that they
knew did not work back in1992. And I had always assumed that you needed a
man to really screw something up. Oh well, there goes another glass
ceiling.
Why would they push an arrest policy that does not work? There are
two schools of thought on the reason why. The first comes from Lawrence
W. Sherman. He calls it the Law of Just Desserts. Revenge for slights
and offenses, real or imagined. I am sure there are some that would
argue that women are not vengeful. But what is that old saying? Hell
hath no fury…..
The second idea comes from the mother of the second wave of feminism.
I do speak of the brilliant Betty Friedan. In the Epilogue Chapter of
the 20th Anniversary Edition of her book The Feminine Mystique, Betty
relayed why she resigned as the first president of the National
Organization of Women in 1970. Betty wrote that she, “was unable to
openly fight the man haters and unwilling to front for them any more…”
So man hating bigots no only existed 40 years ago, they were also
grabbing power. Now Washington is funding them. Makes you wonder what
bigots they will fund next. Maybe the Klan?
Feminists had always claimed that when women took over, we would have
a kinder, gentler, more nurturing world. After 36 million arrests and
72 million evictions what we got was Joe Stalin.
The third wave of feminists do not like to call themselves feminists.
The word feminist could be perceived as gender oppression. These third
wave of whatever-we-call-you got that right The treachery of our legal
system over the last 25 years may end up giving all feminists a bad
name. Which would make us as bigoted as the man-hating feminists who got
us into this mess to begin with.
So let us talk about those bureaucrats that do. These are the ones
that actually carry out the evil deeds. I like call them the do-bies.
Any one swept up into legal mess is usually astonished at what they
see. They cannot believe what the police, prosecutors and judges are
doing. It is so blatantly wrong. Well, I can assure you that everything
they do is logical and by the book. The confusion you have with them is
you both are using different sets of books. You are using the old First
Set of Books- the Constitution, the general laws or statutes and the
court ruling sometime call Common Law. They are using the newer Second
Set of Books. That is the collection of the policy, procedures and
protocols. Once you know what set of books everyone is using, then
everything they do looks logical and upright. And do not bother trying
to argue with me that there is no Second Set of Books. I have my own
copies at home. Or at least a good hunk of the important part of it.
I got my Second Set of Books when I sued the Jaffrey NH police
department. Under the discovery rule, I write them with the material I
wanted and it would arrive in the mail a few weeks later. I got the
Police Academy Training Manual. I got the Department’s Policy and
Procedure Manual. I got the no-drop protocol that the attorney general
sent to all his or her prosecutors. I even got the domestic violence
protocols for the court system, one hundred pages worth. Once you read
it the material, then you will know what the police, prosecutors and
judges will do. They are completely predictable once you know what set
of books they are using.
The police academy training manual states that an arrest in a
domestic violence call is the preferred response. They cite the
Minneapolis Police Experiment (MPE) as its justification. But the author
of the MPE, Lawrence Sherman, said do not use arrest because five
follow up studies show that it did not work. The would be a violation of
the 4th Amendment in the First Set of Books against unreasonable search
and seizure. Then there is that whole issue of whether the police have
the right to arrest for any reason other than they believe a crime was
committed.
The Jaffrey Police Department Policy and Procedures Manual states
that if a wife says she does not want her husband arrested, the police
are to ignore her, arrest the husband, and get with the prosecutor to
see what they can work out. In other words, make the arrest and then see
if you can Mickey Mouse it. The wife is eligible for spousal immunity.
If she invokes it, then no statement she mades, written or oral, are
admissible because she cannot be cross examined about it under oath. (
Did you say that? What did you mean when you said that?) With no
statements the police have no probable cause in most cases to make an
arrest. Also a violation of the 4th amendment in the First Set of Books.
The actor Nickolas Cage was drunk in New Orleans with his wife.
Everyone else is drunk in New Orleans, so why should Nick be any
different. He and his wife were arguing over which house the rented for
their stay. Nick grab his wife’s arm and started to lead her to his
house. The police arrested Nick for domestic violence. His wife was
stunned. That was not domestic violence. “Nothing we can do,” the police
explained to her. “Just following orders.”
That is an accurate explanation for victims, even if they do not
think of themselves as victims. The police have a zero tolerance towards
any physical contact. Things might get worse in the future is the
feminist logical for this present iron fist approach to domestic
relations. I would have to agree with them. After all the arrests,
poverty, homelessness and misery, I can assure you-things are going to
get worse.
But that nothing we can do, just following orders the officers
explain always sounds so timid and lame. The police need to punch their
explanation up a bit, make it more authoritarian. And there is a quick,
low cost way of doing it. The police officers only need to say it in its
original German.
The state Constitution in NH said the prosecutors job is to promote
justice. The Attorney Generals protocols said that domestic violence
case are no-drop cases. (Unless, of course, they take the Deal. Continue
the case for a year, go to counseling, and everything falls off the
books after the year. They did after all find some way of getting rid of
all these cases.)
The Attorney General can hire, fire, layoff, promote, demote, commend
or award bonuses. The constitution is some old, quaint, dusty document
up in the Statehouse some where. So which one do you think is going to
get obeyed?
Prosecutors are funny. Some, maybe most, have egos the size of Cape
Cod. But of the three, police, prosecutor and judges, prosecutors have
the least protection. Micheal Nifong, the prosecutor in the Duke
Lacrosse Rape Case, was fired, disbarred, convicted of a crime, and
actually jailed for trying to enforce the no-drop prosecution protocol
for sexual assault in the Duke case.
The prosecutor in my criminal case fared a little better. I filed a
complaint with his boss for summoning my two daughters, ages 7 and 4, to
court. I had already conceded that the facts were not in dispute. The
trial would be about the law. No witness were need much less a couple of
toddlers. He still summoned them. (The Second Set of Books tells the
prosecutors to get a sympathetic face in front of the judge or jury.
What’s more sympathetic than toddlers.) The prosecutor could not refute
my allegation because I enclosed a copy of the trial transcript. I had
to pay for the transcript. When the prosecutor read it, he gave his two
weeks notice and then blew town. That transcript was the best $46 I had
ever spent in this life.
There is a name for what happens when a bureaucrat is destroyed by
the First Set of Books for attempting to enforce the Second Set of
Books. It is called the Abu Ghraib Syndrome. The people within the law
enforcement community no longer seem to know the difference between the
law, with its checks and balances, and the policies, procedure and
protocols that constitute The Second Set of Books. In some cases you do
not even know who wrote the policy, procedure or protocol. It could have
been the local high school gym teacher for all anyone knows. Many of
these bureaucrats are eventually going to learn the different between
the First and the Second Set of Books. And my guess is that many of them
are going to learn it the hard way. Because the only checks and
balances in The Second Set of Books is The First Set of Books.
Judges routinely use our children as bargaining chips. Get the adult
into counseling, continue the case for a year, and then drop it. This
will open up the docket for the new arrests coming in next week. These
judges that use our children are not honorable. Which is why I never use
the term ‘Your Honor’ any more. I just call them judge.
Alex Baldwin, the actor, wrote that you have never seen a coward
until you have seen a Los Angeles County judge. I call my
judges-Sullivan, Arnold and even Runyon-cowards, too. When I first
started observing them, nothing made sense. Arnold was completely
infuriated when he was maneuvered into ruling not guilty. He verbally
went up and down me so many times I lost count. What was the big deal?
If I was not guilty just say and then we could all go home. But that was
back in the days before I knew about The Second Set of Books.
I lost visitation with my two daughters when I got arrested. One was
the victim-the other was the witness. After a not guilty, I expected to
get visitation with my girls. But the divorce judge, Sullivan, decreed
that counseling was in order and they would decide when we would
reunite. I told the judge that the decision on whether these two girls
had a father or a fatherless childhood was not leaving this courthouse.
There would be a couple of reason for that decision.
First, by then I knew of the Second Set of Books. As much as I had
prayed for the return of my children, I knew that this counseling might
get thrown in the way. Judges are addicted to counseling like a
meth-head is addict to crystal meth. Sullivan wrote in the divorce
decree that he envision only one or two meetings with the counselor.
There is no counseling done in the first meeting or two. It is
intake-who’s the players and what are the issues. But Sullivan was not
interested in counseling. He merely wanted to unload the decision out of
habit. And if we do not shut them down now, they will be doing it to
our kids in twenty years from now when they have little ones running
around the house.
Second, just exactly where does the buck stop with our legal system?
Police have to make an arrest. The prosecutor has to pursue the case.
Judges now also walk a away without rendering a verdict, and passing the
buck does not constitute a decision. Can those mental health counselors
slide the decision over to someone else? Just where does this end? Who
is responsible? Who is accountable?
The mental health crowd is the third reason I said no. Some people
think they are geniuses with their Masters and PH D’s. Others think they
are so wacky that they call them fruit loops. Well, I have a third name
for them. Suckers. They did not get hired for their medical ability.
They got these because they were willing to take these cases off the
judge’s hands. Which has done nothing for the credibility for their
profession. We are not here to help-we are here to unload. And they
created a liability that did not previously existed. If a judge releases
a defendant and he goes kills someone, that judge or the judiciary
cannot be sued. But a mental health worker, and their employer certainly
can be held liable. Our judiciary is now using the mental health field
like a ten dollar whore.
I sued Monadnock Family Services to make them go away. I told their
lawyer Byron that they were a legitimate target for men. We settled for
no money. They would have nothing to do with this reconciliation. The
counselor was released. And they would no longer get involved in any
domestic violence cases.
Every time we ended back in court over whatever squabbles, I would
ask Judge Sullivan for my children back. The decision belong to the
counselors he would tell me. But he knew he had screwed up. I could see
it in his face. But he would not fix it. He would not step out of that
box those domestic violence/sexual assault advocates had built for him.
After five years, he retired to a part time position at the Littleton
courthouse 120 miles away.
So when guys like Alex Baldwin and I call judges cowards, we have
legitimate reasons for doing so. It is not good for judges to be called
coward. It is unlikely that it is good for the rest of us.
I do not claim to have all The Second Set of Book. I know of one book
that I do not have. And I would have love to read that one. That would
be the seminar that the domestic violence and sexual assault advocates
put on periodically for legal personnel including judges. These
advocates are camped outside every state, not federal, courthouse in
America. The U.S. Dept of Justice provides 50-100% of their funding
depending on the program. They have three day seminars at resorts where
everything is paid for except the liquor. Judges in NH are ordered to
attend. Neither Sullivan or Arnold would confirm or deny they had
attended. They actually said nothing. It must be like the Masons where
they will not say anything about the organization until you show them
the secret hand sign.
Supreme Court Judge Louis Brandeis once wrote that the best
description of a judge is the impartial guardian of the rule of law. How
does three days of wine, women and song contribute to impartiality? It
does not. So it should not have been any surprise that they would not
answer me. After all, they were not on trial. I was. But they are going
to be. They were suppose to protect to rule of law not collaborate in
its demise. They have failed miserably.
A guardian ad litem is an attorney appointed for a child. The
attorney solely represents the child. I got one when I was first
separated to get a neutral pair of eyes and ears on the family. I was
disappointed in his findings.
A few years later, another guardian was appointed for one of the
kids. A regular report filed with the Court painted me as some sort
violent psychopath. I thought that was uncalled for seeing as we had
never met. It start a flurry of nasty letters between until we both came
to the conclusion that this was not about us. We ended on a friendly
note.
At a Court hearing later on I approached him. I asked him if he had
had any domestic violence training. He said yes, that it was required to
become certified as a guardian ad litem. Another chapter for The Second
Set of Books that I never managed to acquire.. So men, if you were
thinking about getting a guardian ad litem for an unbiased assessment,
then you should ask for the domestic violence material that certified
the guardian. And do not worry that you are not sure what you are
looking for. It will stand right out.
There are more sections of The Second Set of Books. Medical personnel
are supposed to report suspected domestic violence. The college
professor Angela Davis has a story of a Latino couple in California
getting in trouble feeding the dog his liver for dinner. Mental health
employees are also required. Think of Wendy threatening our kids with
foster care. Teachers, day care providers, the list just goes on and on.
The East German secret police, the Stazi, had 25% of the population on
record as informers. The United States is not that high yet, but we are
still growing.
These people-police, prosecutors and judges-are suppose to protect
us. They are checks and balances to prevent injustice. That is why we
spend so much money of police training. But if the police screw it up,
the prosecutor can catch it. If the prosecutor misses it then the judge
can step in to fix it. But if all three have been compromised, then what
does one need to do to get justice? Go to the appeals court or the
Supreme Court? That seem a little ridiculous particularly when the zero
tolerance has arrests for something as trivial as touching.
On one hand we have the law. On the other hand we have what we are
really going to do-the policies, procedures and protocols. The rule of
law is dead. Now we have 50 states with legal systems as good as any
third world banana republic. Men are demonized and the women and
children end up as suffering as well.
So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and
courthouses. The Second Set of Books originated in Washington. But the
dirty deeds are being carried out by our local police, prosecutors and
judges. These are the people we pay good money to protect us and our
families. And what do we get for our tax money? Collaborators who are no
different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during
the Second World War. All because they go along to get along. They are
an embarrassment, the whole lot of them. And they need to be held
accountable. So burn them out.
In the last 25 years they have arrested one in six adults in this
country and forced 25% of the men, women and children into homelessness.
In 50 years it will be one in three adults arrested and 50% of the men,
women and children ending up homeless. Most of our kids will live to
the age of 68 years old. As bad as it was for you, your children will
have twice the odds of it happening to them.
Some of you will say that 50% homelessness sounds absurd. But 25% is
absurd and that is already here. There is no evidence that the police,
courts, or government is planning to do anything different in the
immediate future. And they will not do anything different until we make
it so uncomfortable that they must change. Bureaucracy at its worst. So
burn them out. This is too important to be using that touchy-feeling
coaching that is so popular with business these days. You need to
flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to
replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!
Most of the police stations built in New England over the last 20
years are stone or brick. Fortunately, the roofs are still wood. The
advantage of fire on the roof is that it is above the sprinklers. But
even the sprinklers going off work to our advantage. There is no way
they can work in a building with six inches of water. And I am certain
we will disrupt their momentum once they start working out of a FEMA
trailers. If they still do not get the message, then burn down the
trailers.
The easiest way of burning a building is with the Molotov cocktail.
It was invented by the Finns when the Soviets invaded in 1939. You fill a
bottle with gasoline and stuff a rag in the end for a wick. You light
the wick and throw bottle, It shatters on impact spraying gas everywhere
and the wick ignites the gas. Simple, readily available, and effective.
And only two things to remember.
First, use a glass bottle. Thinner glass is better than thicker
glass. You want it to shatter on impact. When I was teaching a kid at
the high school on the West Side Worcester, MA. threw a Molotov cocktail
into his school. Fortunately, he used a plastic bottle. It burned about
three square inches of carpeting. I had to laugh when I said to myself,
“Thank God for dumb kids.”
Second, you need to tie the rag to the bottle. Nothing worse that
throwing a Molotov cocktail, landing where you wanted it, and having it
shatter perfectly. Then you noticed the wick had fallen out on the way
to the target. No wick-no fire.
Some of these building will have brick faces and metal roofs. Just
break a window and throw the Molotov cocktail inside. Carpets,
furniture, computer plastic, even paint on the walls will burn. It is
okay if the sprinkler goes off. I wonder if you can get hip waders over a
gun belt?
We had a kid in my hometown that burned down the old junior high
school. He walked up to the front door one night with a can of lighter
fluid. The applicator on the end squirts the lighter fluid out. He
squirted under the door and along the seams and lit a match. The kid
took out the entire old part of the building. Why are kids so competent
when it is something they should not be doing?
There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded,
some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will
be ours.
Now, nobody wants to get killed. But let us look at your life. You
are broke after paying child support. She and the kids are not doing any
better. None of you are middle class any more. You have no say in the
kids education, their health treatment, you may not even have visitation
with your sons and daughters. And everything you thought you knew to be
true-the rule of law, the sanctity of the of the family, the belief
that government was there to nurture your brood-all turned out to be a
lie. Face it boys, we are no longer fathers. We are just piggy banks.
So you are not losing anything by picking up the Molotov cocktail. It
may be too late for us. But without something changing, your kids will
have double the odds of it happening to them. That will knock them out
of the middle class again, providing they ever get back in. And their
kids, your grandchildren, will end up damaged goods before it is over.
So it is okay to run. You just need to turn around and run at them. They
are no way as imposing as they seem. They only do what they do for a
paycheck.
Television would make us believe that people get arrested because of
fingerprints, DNA, facial recognition, and instruments that can tell
where a substance was made and here is the local distributors. It is
Hollywood crap. Most of the people in prison are there for one key
reason. They could not keep their mouths shut. They told someone. That
someone told others. The cops hear it and start looking at them for a
suspect. That how it works in real life.
This need to confess seems to be primeval. Just human nature. But if
you cannot keep a secret, do not expect the one you tell to keep their
mouth shut. There is only three people I know for certain they will keep
their mouths shut. That would be Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
I only managed to get the main door of the Cheshire County Courthouse
in Keene, NH. I would appreciate it if some of you boys would finish
the job for me. They harmed my children. The place is evil. So take it
out
Some where along the line I picked up the crazy notion that it is
better to be dead as a free man than to live as a serf. The government
needs to be a little more careful about what they teach in our schools.
And bring a can of spray paint to these fires. Paint the word
COLLABORATORS ( two L’s with an S on the end) on the building before you
burn it. Maybe we can shame them back to the rule of law. And we do
want the police to know exactly who burned the building. Then the police
can start interviewing the usually suspects, all 36 million of us.
We have covered the do-bies. Now let us look at the bureaucrats that say-ers.
The Second Set of Books originated in Office of Violence Against
Women (OVW) which is part of the United States Department of Justice.
Some of these policies, procedures and protocol were developed locally.
But the local results would be sent up to OVW and, if approved, would
disperse it out to all 50 states. They are smart, clever, bigoted and
able to lie as well as any politician that ever called Washington home.
In other words, they have now become Washington insiders.
But what makes them so uniques is their anger towards men, any man.
They are so twisted in their hatred of men that they are positively
scary. And it is not what they are doing to men that makes them
frightening. You would expect that. No, it is what they are doing to the
women and children that makes them so twisted.
When the Pentagon drops a bomb on innocent civilians the military
calls it Collateral Damage. It sounds better than, “Yeah, we killed a
bunch of women and children.” Those poor, innocent, stupid civilians
have always been caught in the middle since the time we were fighting
with rocks.. Your wife and kids are Collateral Damage in the war against
you, the man in the family. For 25 years these feminists at OVAW have
been willing to sacrifice the women and children to get you. And they
cannot claim ignorance about what they are doing. Under the VAWA the
federal government is funding at least 1,800 homeless shelters. As long
as the Office for Violence Against Women exists in the U.S. Department
Justice , no American man, women or child will be safe in their own
home.
If you ask these feminists why are the shelters all full, they will
not say because of all the arrests. The shelters are full because of
men. But they knew from the beginning that this was not man bad-woman
good thing. The year was 1976. Two things would happen that year.
First, someone at the U.S. Dept of Justice decided to count the dead
bodies. In 1975 there were 1522 women killed in domestic violence. And
for men killed in 1975? The dead for men was 1506. Statistically equal a
friend tells me so.
If you had asked me before the study, I would have assumed that women
were getting the worst of it. But I would be looking at it by genders.
What I should have been looking at was species, homo-sapiens, human
beings. Men are human-women are human. Being the same species you would
expect the same results from both genders. And that is exactly what the
dead bodies told us.
The second thing that happened in 1976 was the first domestic
violence survey was released. It was so new the time that they called it
family violence. Murray Straus of UNH and Richard Gellars from a school
in RI were the researchers. They did not find two perpetrators of
domestic violence, but three. Men initiated violence 25.7% of the time:
women 25.2%, and the other 49.1% was the two going after each at the
same time. These two people going after each other at the same time is
well recognized in law. The law in NH calls that mutual combat. Men are
human. Women are human. And once again we found both genders acting the
same manner.
So how did we end up with the theory of man bad-woman good that the
government at all levels is using? The feminist writer Susan Brownmiller
wrote In Our Time that,” the way you get funding and church donations
is to talk about the pure victims. If you talk about the impurity of the
victim, the sympathy vanishes.” If women get to be good then men get
what is left-bad. Man bad-woman good was originally a funding raising
technique. After 35 years, it has turned into official government dogma
at all levels, from the local cop on the beat to the White House. Men
need to be punished, restrained and retrained. Your wives and children
are, unfortunately, just collateral damage in this effort to punish men.
So you were not dreaming it. There really is a government pogrom
against men.
When a man batters or kills, there is no excuse. When a woman commits
the same act, there is nothing but excuses. Simple though inaccurate.
But there is one redeeming aspect to men being demonized. Now we men can
act like devils. And we do not even need to apologize for it. Men are
going to start acting just like they made us out to be. As an old high
school semi-punk I can assure you boys of one thing. This is going to be
fun. You guys are going to end up laughing like hyenas.
The money funded under the VAWA is split in two when it leaves the
Treasury. Part goes the Health and Human Services for fund these
domestic violence homeless shelters. If that 36 million number is
correct, and it is all that we have, then the 1.44 million arrests a
year will be made producing 2.88 million homeless Americans each year.
Women and children constitute 60% of these homeless people, 1.7 million
Americans a year. Shutting down these shelters would be cruel. What
would these women and children do then? Go live under a bridge. No, we
are stuck with these shelters for a while. But there is one thing that
Congress needs to fix when they fund them again.
These shelters do not allow men on the property let alone inside the
residences. Why is it against the law to use federal money on
organizations that discriminate against black, Jews, gays or even women
but it is okay to do so against men? Men contributed half that tax
money. Eight years ago a man in California fled with his children after
the police warned him to get out after they had arrested the wife and
mother. None of the shelters would take him and the kids in because he
was a man. I wonder if this would survive a legal gender discrimination
challenge in a federal court?
A society without men is freakier than a world without blacks or
Jews. That is not to say blacks or Jews are any less worthy. It just
that there are more men in the world than blacks or Jews even if you
combined them. If these feminist had to deal with men on a regular
basis, then maybe the country would not be in the pickle we are in now.
There is a third reason to end this discrimination, something of a
more practical nature. Apparently, some women like to have sex with men.
But men are barred from the property. Suddenly, that 15 year boy two
doors down starts looking real good. It might even be fun breaking in
this new meat. So this woman driven into insolvency by the push for
domestic violence arrests now finds herself charged as a pedophile
because someone barred men from her world. With domestic violence
advocates as friends, who needs enemies.
This shelters came up with a novel approach to fixing the pedophile
problem. Male children over the age of thirteen are barred from staying
there. Too troublesome. The family broke up when the father was thrown
out of the house. Now a second break up is happening with the teenage
boys. Perhaps a relative has one bed available. Maybe the family of a
high school friend would take him in their home. If neither option works
then that is okay. He can move in with his father. Then they will both
be sleeping in the car down by the river.
Children of these parents also suffer. They used to have their own
bedroom in a safe town with good schools. First they have a shelter,
then Section 8 public housing. An urban school. Maybe good-maybe not.
Kids learn how to be tough in an urban environment. The kids might go
bad or they could come out just fine. But there will be no clunky car as
a teenager. There will be no saving fund for college. There will be no
monetary gift to use as a down payment for a starter home. This
tradition of the older generation giving the younger generation a
financial leg up has been ruin due to the older generation’s lack of
money. Financially, the older generation is merely treading water. It
will take generations after these present two generations to repair the
economic damage to these families.
So we are stuck with funding these shelters for a while. These women
and children have no place left to go. Some of you guys may think that
these feminist caused the problem and then created the solution. But
homeless shelters are not a solution. They are just barely a band aid.
The remaining money under VAWA goes to the United States Department
of Justice for the Office of Violence Against Women (OVW). As long as
OVW exists then the government is at war with men. As long as there is a
pogrom against men, then women and children are going to end up as
collateral damage. So there is no need for discussion about OVW going.
The only thing we need to figure out is which of the two ways we can use
to get rid of them-the easy way or the hard way.
And boys, do not try to burn down Washington’s Dept. of Justice
Building in an effort to get rid of the Office of Violence Against
Women. Their offices are over at N Street.
The easy way is using Congress. The VAWA comes up for funding every
five to seven years. Next time it comes up, Congress votes no and
everyone at the OVW gets a pink slip in late September. Nice and simple
except nothing is simple in Washington. We, the people out here in the
sticks, do not always know what the dynamics are in Washington. There
might be one method of getting Congress on course. Have Congress demand
that the Attorney General get, and release the arrests figures. Or have
the President order it. He is usually fearless after he makes up his
mind. And this is too large and too well known to continue the
Washington plausible deniable routine. Then they will know how much
trouble they are in because of these arrests.
There are 220 million adults 18 or older in this country of both
sexes. If my figure of 36 million is correct, then that is 16.4% of the
adults have been arrested. It could be as high as 55 million or 25%. It
might be as low as 22 million or 10%. Whatever the number there are two
things that Congress should know. First, is the fellow who discovered
the arrests in Minneapolis back in 1992 said do not use it because it
does not work. And second, the people arrested now constitute a Fifth
Column here in the United States. Our loyalty to Washington is gone. But
what did these genuises on the Potomac expect? They have harmed our
children. If they think Al Qaeda is a pain in the ass, wait to they see
what Americans can do once their fuse is lit.
I am certain the Attorney General will sit for months on the request
for the number of domestic violence arrests. Then he will explain that
they do not readily have the number and that some sort of Manhattan
Project effort will be needed in time and money. Nonsense. When
Washington started these arrests in 1984 over 6.3 personal computers
were sold here in the U.S. That figure does not include all the mini’s,
midi’s and mainframe computers sold that year. There is no way they can
pretend that this data does not exist in electronic storage. A request
to Ohio for the arrests 1984-2010 would tie up a state clerk for an
hour, including their 15 minute coffee break. Time for the truth boys
and girls. Because this is not going away.
The hard way is more time consuming, cost more money and is full of
headaches. Because the only way of removing a department from the
federal government without the consent of Congress is to take out the
entire federal government.
The first time I heard that, I said that is ridiculous. We cannot run
this country without a federal government. But we will replace the old
government with something new and improved. The new government would
honor the debts incurred by the old government. There are a lot of
useful reasons for starting with a clean slate.
The bipartisan debt commission released their recommendation for
cleaning up the $14 trillion we have borrowed over the years. Convention
wisdom has it that Congress has no stomach for any of the
recommendations.
But a new government could install those recommendation on day one.
Three years later, most Americans will not remember that anything is
different. The old government laid off its employees when it closed. The
new government is hiring. But instead of 65,000 employees at the Dept.
of Education, the new government is only hiring 45,000. Instead of an
average federal wage of $70,000 a year, the new average will be $52,000.
The new government will have to write a tax code. Everyone pays 15%
with no deductions. How many IRS employees could you get rid of if there
were no more deductions? Any thing is possible with a new government.
Normally over-throwing a elected government is considered treason.
Treason is punishable by death here in the United States. But there is
one way of over throwing the government. That is through the ballot box.
Then it is not treason but democracy. Allegedly, Washington is in favor
of democracy, particularly if their candidate wins.
There is no legal mechanism in the Constitution or the Federal code
of the United States for dissolving the government of the United States.
So that is what we need first. Congress would need to write it. We get
them to do it through the ballot initiative.
A ballot initiative is when enough registered voters sign a petition
to get a question on the ballot for the next election. The following
would be a sample of what the question would look like in New Hampshire.
That all elected representatives from the state of New Hampshire to
both houses of the United States Congress are to propose and advance a
bill that would set up a legal mechanism to dissolve the United States
government should the people decide to do so in a general election by a
simple majority.
If this initiative passes in all 50 states then Congress will be
stuck. They will have to write the law to dissolve. If they do not I
suspect within ten years they will be standing in a stairwell at the
British or French embassy with a suitcase in hand waiting to get to a
rooftop helicopter. I doubt if they will be thinking about the
humiliation of being thrown out of the country. They will be far too
busy worrying about what will happen if the mob gets their hands on
them.
Washington has not got a friend in the world. Even the British and
Israelis loath them now. Kind of a bad time to be losing domestic
support. And what they done over the last 25 years? They have wiped out
the middle class pandering to a special interest group of bigots. And in
typical Washington fashion, they did not even know they did it.
This Ivy League inbreeding in Washington has produced an elite that
knows what best. Everyone else-husbands, wives, police officers,
prosecutors, judges, attorney generals and guardian ad litems-are to
shut up and do what they are told. The rule of law is gone, replaced by
the policies, procedures and protocols of The Second Set of Books. Which
means the federal government will be going shortly. For the government
being unable to deliver the rule of law is like an auto mechanic who
claims he does not know how to change the engine oil. A certain minimum
competency is required. So it looks like the parents of the Washington
elite were right. One can be too smart for their own good.
Betty Friedan wrote that the feminist revolution, like any
revolution, would have its excesses. Losing the rule of law is too great
to call it a mere excess. It is a catastrophe. It is the heart, mind
and soul between the people and their government. These feelings of
betrayal by losing it may be permanent. I have 21 years of Army service
going back to the Vietnam War. My loyalty to the government should be a
given. It is gone. I am certain it will never return regardless of how
long I might have lived.
It was another woman that lead us in to this decision to clean house
inside the beltway. Something she taught us fifty years ago. You simply
look at those folks in Washington and then ask yourself the old Ann
Landers question, “Am I better off with them, or without them? Are my
children better off with them, or without them?” They are sinking like
stones.
Washington, DC was chose as the capital because it was the
geographical center or the old Colonies. Today, the geographical center
of the country is just west of St. Louis Missouri. The new government
can set the capital anywhere in the United States it wants. Imagine how
many rodents, insects and parasites they could lose by moving 1500 miles
west.
Whether you replace the federal government or not, men are still
going to need a legal defense center for men. Something like the NAACP
used to get black people their rights. The only checks and balances in
the Second Set of Books is the First Set of Books. Which means lawsuits.
Now I know you guys are broke. Some of you have had your wives and kids
thrown into homelessness. So I completely understand when you tell me
that you are broke. But if everyone who has been arrested throws in
$10.00 a year then the legal defense center will have a war chest of
$360 million. You can buy a whole bunch of lawsuit with that kind of
money.
The Ball family has been supplying sergeants to the Army since at
least the Revolutionary War. Elijah served as a sergeant in Cushing’s
Regiment at the Battle of Bennington. His commanding officer was a
general from NH with a name of John Stark. General Start was a clever
warrior. He was responsible for the bulk of the heavy casualties the
British suffer at their victory at Bunker Hill. His orderly, fighting
withdrawal allowed the other units on the hill to not only retreat but
collect their wounded on the way out.
General Stark would repeat this performance on three hill tops
outside the village of Bennington VT one hot August day in 1777. At the
end of the battle, the British lost over 900 men killed or captured. The
Colonists suffered 30 dead. Two months later, the depleted British army
would surrender at Saratoga. That victory at Saratoga would bring the
French into the war. John Stark was the most competent general this
country ever produced. For that reason alone his men loved him.
But as brilliant as he was on the battlefield, General Stark would
become even more famous for something he said. In 1809 the veterans of
Bennington decided to have one last reunion. A delegation called on the
General with his invitation. But the General was old and frail. He could
not attend. But he did send a message, “You tell the boys I said live
free or die. That death is not the worst of evil.” Since 1945 the State
of New Hampshire has stamped Live Free or Die on every pen, coffee mug,
license plate and highway sign that they have gotten their hands on.
I think the General and his sergeant would be please that his words
have elevated from the novelties and bric-a-brac to something more
dignified like a courthouse door. Neither of them would give a second
thought to the mess left over after the fire was extinguished. War has
always been a grim business. Civil wars are usually worse.
But they would be trouble by the new enemy. Oh, they understood when a
government betrays it people. They took up arms against the super power
of their day to get relief for their grievances. But the enemy we face
now is the government that these men birthed at places like Bennington,
Saratoga and Bunker Hill. Government is no different than the food in a
refrigerator. Given enough time both will go bad.
The smartest person I knew in this life was my mother. Perhaps that
is true of all of us. Maybe I just got lucky. She was a nurse by trade.
She worked in a time when Western medicine made that final transition
from butchery to science. But it would not be her nursing skills that
made her extraordinary. No, it would be this one incredible knack she
had that I had only modest success at mimicking in my life. If she had
something important to say to you, she would say and then never mention
it again. She would talk about it if you raised the issue. But she never
mentioned it twice on her own. And, oddly, you always heard her.
But she did have one favorite saying. I must have heard in a thousand
times in the eighteen years I lived under her roof. It always came at
the end of the conversation as she peeled away to see if it was time for
Perry Mason or Lawrence Welk. She would turn her head to the side, and
over her shoulder she would say, “And the only thing you really have in
this world is your family.” Now, thanks to the United States Government,
neither we nor our children have that.
. I have three things to say to my children. First, Daddy loves you.
Second, you are my three most favorite people in the world. And last,
that you are to stick together no matter how old you get or how far
apart you live. Because it is like Grandma always said. The only thing
you really have in this world is your family.
And this is the pre-story:
Keene Police were not giving out much info, but there is a dead body
out front of Cheshire Superior Court and a large amount of charring on
the sidewalk in front of the courthouse. Police scanner recordings
confirm this is a case of suicide by self-immolation. You can listen to
the Keene police scanner here.
Makes you wonder what the court did to the poor guy/gal. More details as we learn them:
UPDATE: Here’s the Sentinel’s piece with comments from a witness.
UPDATE: Here’s audio from the police scanner feed after the man sets himself ablaze.
This isn’t going to just wash away.
This morning, locals report that government workers were spraying and scrubbing in an attempt to remove the evidence of yesterday’s apparent self-immolation in front of the Cheshire superior court.
I stopped by early this morning to file some motions in another case
and talk to the Sheriffs about yesterday and took a picture of the
damage. Click the pic for a full size version.
It’s going to take more than a hose and brush to make this issue go
away. People need to know who this man was and why he made this horrific
choice.
More as it develops. Thus far, no return calls from Keene Police or Cheshire Sheriffs.
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Here is an interesting story that happened to me. I was witness to an attempt at accusing a guy of indecently touching a woman in a bus. The guy's hand brushed past a woman's behind while on his way to his seat, and I saw that it was not intentional. The guy seemed absent minded, and not even notice the woman. She grabbed his hand, and started screaming that he had touched her inapropriately.
After that the Bus driver stopped the bus, and the poor guy was trying to tell the woman that it was an accident, and that he apologized, and that it was not his intention to be inappropriate. The bus driver was about to call the police. I decided that it was enough. I got up, went to the bus driver, Identified myself, and explained that the woman was making baseless accusations, and I told the bus driver that he brushed past her, and did not even look at her, or seemed to aknowledge that she was present. I told the bus driver that it seemed to me that she was making false accusations. After I said that, 3 more people came and said the same thing as me. (sheeps won't have the courage to say anything until someone else says it, our society works like that.)
In the end that woman gave me a look full of hatred because she could not get her way. The driver then kicked her off the bus. What I got from this is that, there are women in this society that will stop at nothing to destroy a person's life because they know they can use the system to their advantage. I have seen other cases too. Some women can be very malicious in their intents, others do harm innocently because they do not understand how the system works. One has to always be careful of the opposite gender, and in my case, I generally don't even go any closer than arm's length of a women I don't know. You never know what kinds of intentions they may have.
I got the exact opposite story. guy and his girlfriend at the bus stop relize they forgot to get a transfer. guy says dont worry about it. I get on the bus befor and sit down to see what he gonna pull. guy "falls" on the last step up as he fake putting money in the money box. Girlfriend leaps over him. he get up and head to the back. However his girlfriend was right on his ass and messed up his fake fall. he elbowedthis old women in the in the small of your spin. she goes into the frozen postiion then kinda lean over into the seat. he get up and head to the back. laughing with other people about his fall. then the sick part happens. he sees the old lady trying to communicate to the bus driver that she hurt. start making fun of her. rediculeing her and calling her a scam artist trying to get money. start calling her a "fucking liar" and so on. mocking her spasms of pain. everyone laughing. then people laughing with him in the back of the bus start saying they where sitting in the front of the bus when it happened and saw that he never touched her. It was sick. so very sick. i told the bus driver everything. the bus driver treid to get a statement from the guy. he just got more beligerent. the police where called cause an ambulance was called. i told the police what really happened. i ever stated that i have no problem stating it in courtroom. or writting up a statement. the police told me to get on the bus and i was sent on my merry way. on was on a bus full of liars bad mouthing this poor old women for 40 minuts before i told some stupid bitch that she was the "fucking liar" and she knows it. her boy friend tried to get all huffy. i asked him to step off the bus and talk about it like men. we where at my stop and i got off. he flipped me off from the window.
-people are evil evil fucking monkeys.
Yep, read
Taken into Custody: The War Against Fatherhood, Marriage, and the Family
by Baskerville
You cannot possibly imagine what goes on...think the constitution applies to you? Heh, so, so very wrong. Just get accused of DV and watch your entire life ebb away
I am not invovled either, but I have a brother who is. His wife is mentally ill and started taking seratoin reuptake inhibitors, got manic, and called the cops. He never hit the kids in any way, but they determined he 'potentially could be violent'. Result - hasn't seen the kids in several years, family destroyed, upper middle class family destined for poverty. Crime? He is a man.
Moe,
Your brother must fight back to see his kids. The system will separate all forever w/o thought. It's evil, but that's
how it is. Do not put up with it - the kids need him.
ROTFL...the glibness with which you guys just talk shit on this topic. You have no fucking clue.
You have no concept of the reality of this "family law" industry. I thank god every day I live in a shared custody state, something men's advocates had to fight for tooth and nail with "feminists" and their shit punk ass bitch dickless man enablers opposing at every inch of the way because it means less LEVERAGE for them in a court.
The kids to women are a possession. Note how many of them kill all their kids because the mom cannot separate her own depression and bleak outlook from the kids' reality.
Many states enable this and there are punk ass bitch dickless men like toptroll who are right there to help them do it. The libtard states give women sole custody 95% of the time.
+1
Looks like they've got some baked on grease they need to deal with in front of the courthouse. May I recommend some Dawn Power Dissolver?
He slapped his daughter and she got cut up, that is where the story begins and ends for me.
Yup; all the "they're out to get me" BS that followed is just plain denial. This is what happens when you need help and don't seek it.
Agreed williambanzai7; that is just a highly odd account. People are going very slowly insane over here. You are better off in Kowloon eating wontons like Tony Leung. We'll be over there next month; I'm not sure I want to come back!
Not only do they beat kids in Kowloon, they will probably beat you too. You are right you probably will not come back, not on your own power that is.
So slapping your child means you deserve arrest, restraining orders, complete barring of your children, and confiscation of 1/3 your income for child support.
You are a fucking moron, go fuck yourself.
Yup, you've been conditioned well. Good for you. Say, I hear a bell. Are you salivating?
Then you stopped thinking a little too soon, WB7.
You voted for Obama, that is where your story begins and ends for me.
That is very "black and white" thinking, are there no shades of gray to consider? You are usually very thoughtful about your post, it would be interesting to understand why you are so "binary" on this issue.
Judging from afar - not being a direct witness, yet supporting the state by default. I expect better from you.
Your photo caption things are very uninteresting if I may say so. They are not funny or intellectual. I did better at that stuff when I was in grade 7.
Look.
I have a 4 year old daughter, a 6 year old son, and a 10 year old daughter. I've never hit any of them aside from one or two symbolic only spankings that may as well have been delivered with a feather duster- but you are way the f*** off base here.
Having kids, I know what they do to one another and to themselves. Just yesterday, my four-year-old was screwing around walking home from the park and fell down on the sidewalk, resulting in the nastiest damn case of skinned knee I've seen in years. Rocks and bits of sticks were poking out of the damn thing, and it was bleeding pretty good.
She walked the two blocks home, and I cleaned it up and bandaged it with some ointment. It was not the end of the world, and I did not sue the city for making an abrasive walking path.
I've seen those kids haul off and smack one another with anything from sticks to rocks, and it always comes to the same thing- two minutes of tears, and then back to playing. Those little monkeys are way tougher than you think, and resiliant as hell.
But you, oh enlightened one, come in and "cut her lip" becomes "she got cut up," and that somehow justifies a decade of torture by a Kafka-esque bureaucracy ending in self-immoliation.
Don't be an idiot.
so i guess you cant comprend written words unless theyre in a stupid picture...
Time to take down the entire federal goverment...??? Pitter patter,lets get atter.
Joe Stacks....you won't be forgotten....
My condolence.to the family's involved.
Stopped reading here. Cut lips are from punches, rarely slaps. Guy was FUCKED up. Nothing else to it, and not wasting my time feeling sorry for the delusional being.
So slapping your child means you deserve arrest, restraining orders, complete barring of your children, and confiscation of 1/3 your income for child support.
You are a fucking moron, go fuck yourself.
"Cut lips are from punches, rarely slaps"
Any data to back that up?
A fair sized female in front of my obnoxious self was wearing Guess jeans. I did, my lip bled. Open hand slap caught my lip between her hand and a canine tooth.
Don't drink and bleed!
Not true. An open hand delivers a fat and bloody lip quite effectively. I would be surpised if she wasn't wearing a hand-sized bruise on her cheek, as well. The incident he described is really quite disturbing. What was so threatening about the child licking his hand (she was probably pretending to be a kitty or something) that caused him to overreact so terribly that he put his mark on such a small child for all the world to see? His wife requested that he leave so that things could calm down. He must have frightened her badly for her to call the police after he was gone. Women with three small children to raise do not take such steps lightly.
Go read the article again - the wife didn't call the police until after the G-man told her that if she didn't call the police on the man, she would be arrested for child abuse. She was frightned by the G-Man, not her husband.
Read it again yourself. I read quite well, thank you very much, and retain more than most. When he returned home after she asked him to leave after slapping the child she told him the police had been by. He was arrested at work the next day. See the exerpt below. Several years later, one of the children's therapists told his wife that if she hadn't called the police she would have been arrested as well.
My story starts with the infamous slapping incident of April 2001. While putting my four year old daughter to bed, she began licking my hand. After giving her three verbal warnings I slapped her. She got a cut lip. My wife asked me to leave to calm things down.
When I returned hours later, my wife said the police were by and said I could not stay there that night. The next day the police came by my work and arrested me, booked me, and then returned me to work. Later on Peter, the parts manager, asked me if I and the old lady would be able to work this out. I told him no. I could not figure out why she had called the police. And bail condition prevented me from asking her. So I no longer trusted her judgment.
He was born too late. If he had been raising children in the 50s, he would have fit right in and could have beaten them to death, if it pleased him, with a fair expectation of impunity. The authorities and medical profession would have covered it up because such things were not acknowledged unless it was something so egregious and public it was impossible to hide (As happened to a child who lived nearby and attended my church). My sisters and I were grateful, our father was a softy and all we had was an occasional bruise, rather than the wire marks the neighbor kids displayed because the handles of wire flyswatters and hangers make excellent paddles. The neighbor kids on the other side used to have to flee their house when their father came home drunk and looking for a fight after the bar closed. If it was cold out they would hide in our garage with the dogs. The most shocking thing was that friends of my parents had a wooden paddle hanging on the wall by a leather thong. It was painted with a scene of the young of forest animals and had a poem on it that indicated it was for the instruction of the dear little deer with a little bear behind. They thought it was cute.So you missed the part a little further down:
Almost two years after the incident, I was talking with her on the phone. She told me that night she had called a mental health provider we had for one of the kids. Wendy, the counselor told my then wife that if she did not call the police on me, then she too would be arrested.
What was that about reading comprehension?
Whoa partner, it is customary at ZH to use a little lube when we RAM home a point like that; from the squeal that sounded dry..
Reading comprehension indeed... lol..
I think his comprehension experienced momentary laspe due to a bump.
edit: her
Yes, there were problems in the "good old days" that needed fixing, but that doesn't justify the current system.
Or so the wife may have told him so that the nut wouldn't come after her or the kids.
Women with three small children to raise do not take such steps lightly.
Of course they do. All their girfriends told them the man was a heel and real men never do that. And it's illegal, so he should go to jail - he's an abuser. And the man hating, pretend victim appears and snowballs downhill.
Don't be so stupidly naive. THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO HATE MEN.
I'm a woman, JLee, and an old one at that. Don't tell me I'm naive about this. I know better than you how a woman calculates risks and benefits. We are talking about resources for her children here.
I think we're talking about how you omit parts of the story to push your own agenda.
Oh, I thought we were taking about some guy who hit his kid and then immolated himself.
Except you keep changing the details to make your point.
We are talking about resources for her children here.
Resources? Your husband is a resource?
You are a crooked POS. This is your husband, not a fucking "resource".
I'll tell you what I do know - the only true love any of you will ever have is mother love. The rest is pale friendship in comparison.
And you are so lost in feminist man hating confusion it's not funny.
You're lord and master is your husband. And you are married for life, and cannot be divorced by any judge, REGARDLESS OF THE REASON OR EXCUSE. This is all a false and sinful path you have followed.
I hope you find repentence. Your advice and help must come from your husband, not me or anyone here.
Done, no more responses to you.
So you refer me to my husband for correction and instruction and leave the field (and the last word) to me. And not only that, you will do me the honor of never replying to me again. How sweet.
Trudat, because that's all typical bitches like you offer anymore.
Oh, Trav, the love a mother has for her children is hardwired into us and ensures the survival of the species, as I am sure you very well know. A woman will die for her children - for her man not so much. Did you know they have a test now for Huntington's disease? They can even tell you the age you will be when you develop symptoms by counting the number of repeats of a certain chain of proteins on a certain gene. Women who have that disease in their family generally opt for the test. Men mostly prefer not to know. The difference in the sex of people being tested was noticed early on and it was felt to be because women love their children. Men love themselves.
Tell that to Caylee Anthony. Or what about the women who load up their car with the kids,then drive it into the lake or river, or that one that drowned her kids in the bathtub. I'm sure if I spent 5 minutes on Google - I could find hundreds more examples of your "mother's love for her children" philosophy gone astray... Men haters like you don't belong on ZH.
There is alway the cat who eats her young.
you women are mindfucked; you are synthetic persons. You are empty. You don't have honest or real love for anyone or anything.
Women routinely kill their children, more frequently than men by far. Women are the ultimate narcissists.
Men routinely die for others, including their kids. Males are what drive evolution, not women. Literally everything you say is ass backwards because you don't have a soul or any concept of honor, higher purpose, anything other than your own cupidity. Men are the ones who rush into burning buildings, who charge INTO the fight. Heroism is a male-dominated pursuit.
"it was felt to be because women love their children." ROTFL. Women love to sit around and tell each other how great they are.
Look around you, woman- everything you see, everything you have, everything you are was made by men. Not you.
"Women love to sit around and tell each other how great they are."
I think the opposite is true. They view eachother as competition and do anything they can undermine eachother. The proof of their character is how awful they are to eachother.
In any event, I am still in shock that I am commenting on this on ZH.
Figured you for an engineer. Member of the patent bar?
First and last time I'll probably ever agree with you. Though I love them, women are insane.
Wow.... someone needs some prozac.... and a good psychiatrist.
Wow.... someone needs some prozac.... and a good psychiatrist.
This is true and I know it because my mother would never use the abusive power of the state to dish out unproportional punishment to me.
Piss off.
My mother once made me mop up my own blood after my old man busted the fridge with my head.
If anyone tried that now, my fiancee would stab them in the neck.
It might have been bad. It might not have been bad. No of us witnessed the incident or the injury, so none of us are really in a position to judge. Unfortunately some us have, and have come squarely down on the side of the state and its unconstitutional domestic vilence system.
You are incorrect, cut lips and broken noses can be from slaps. It depends on the size of the hand and the force behind it, also if you have a ring(s) on (ie backhanded slap). You can even give a kid a serious concussion or break an ear drum by a forceful enough opened handed slap!
To remain consistent, I'll say what I said elsewhere ealier this morning:
It goes beyond the family courts. When the full force and might of the Federal, state, or local bureaucratic evil uses the full power of the police state, and local law enforcement willingly cooperates to insure that "their" version of the regulations are enforced and not the Constitution, the individual man has a choice:
Surrender and comply
or
Take a stand.
He took a stand. Sad, horrible story, with a sometimes disjointed statement but despite the irrational action it was the only rational choice. All because he was destined to be a felon for the rest of his life rotting in prison, while criminals on Wall Street and in State Capitols around the nation live their lives untouched, un-prosecutable, and immune from the rule of law.
Book number 3, which he did not refer to, contains one page with one sentence:
If you get caught doing something illegal, buy the judges, juries, prosecutors, policemen, and those opposed to you to assure you get the alternate set of regulations applied in your case.
America is doomed. Accept that fact because we have abandoned God and the Constitution and you'll begin to understand why we will soon be a clone of East Germany or worse, Stalin's Soviet Union. If you're not an elite or bureaucrat, you are dead or a slave. Get ready for the worst of human nature in our nation.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Good stuff dude.
Once those state wheels start grinding, they don't stop til at least a few people are minced.
Why do you bother trying to educate us?
I don't pretend to know any more than the average joe. And I love your avatar, traderjoe.
I came on this site and flat-out admitted I have moved to anarchy. Since we aren't going to get my wish in our lifetimes, we get this bullshit in the meantime.
Zero Hedge is the best website around. Tyler and friends rule and commenters like yourself are another reason I enjoy reading it. Godspeed to you and yours.
I'm just trying to enjoy life - and 'cuz I'm a gambler at heart - trying to make a buck or two in the interim. I suggest you all do the same.
Appreciate the sentiment(s). If you like ZH enough, perhaps more sugar than vinegar in your posts? ;)
Yes. See below. I'm logging off now and wish everyone here well.
Four junks already. I guess people can't deal with reality.
To reiterate - Zero Hedge is the best website around. Yet the comments are at their best when people give us news we can use.
If I can't trade your comment or rub one out to it, what good is anything you have to say?
http://www.kateupton.com/
He slapped his 4-yr old daughter for licking his hand!?
Don't make a martyr outta this guy; there are far more deserving--and better--men, who've been screwed by the system. This guy was a fuck-up.
How many of those better guys lit themselves on fire. The guy's a moron for hitting his kid but I am impressed with his skills as a barbecue chef.
Don't be. Not only did he overcook the meat, but it tastes like lighter fluid....
So slapping your child means you deserve arrest, restraining orders, complete barring of your children, and confiscation of 1/3 your income for child support.
You are a fucking moron, go fuck yourself.
At least he didn't try to take others with him.
True Dat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPvtUjTbV_A&feature=related
As a psychiatrist these always interest me.
" I am done being bullied for being a man"
And the incident where he slapped his four year old so hard that he cut her lip.
Those are what he is willing to admit to....the cockroach theory not only applies to people as well as investing. Where you see one or two, there are thousands of others unseen.
He feels the expectation that he pay child support with no excuses allowed is unfair. He calls it bullying that the court will force him to support his child or punish him. Is it more fair and less bullying to force the taxpayer to support his children? It has to be that way or anyone could avoid child support and feel they are getting revenge on the ex wife simply by refusing to suck it up and hold a job.
I have evaluated the children of three murder suicides and more than i can count failed serious suicide/homicide attempts.
If they survive we usually find a severe personality disorder such as paranoid, narcissistic, or antisocial, or we find a manic depressive (bipolar disorder) or a combination. Drugs and alcohol often pecipitate these events. In his case, given what i can gather about his personality, he sounds too rigid and rightous to be a drug user. He probably used to attend a fundamentalist church regularly. Alcohol could be involved but I doubt it in his case.
These people often cant accept loss or temporary failure. They never learn from experience, always blaming others.
It was a huge blow to his ego to lose his wife and kids. He was too personality disordered and inflexible to move on. He raged internally over this injustice, including mandatory child support for years. He was always angry right below the surface and even if he were intelligent and otherwise had a good work ethic and morals, could not hold employment at the level expected by his potential.
He probably had no real friends to get feedback. He never worked through his contribution to his issues to avoid repetition. In his own mind he was unable to find other ways to frame the issue and presented himself the false choice of either submitting to bullying or making a big statement.
Intended for levity purposes, as this is a financial orientated blog: How would this analysis apply to John Edwards, Hank Paulson, Donald Trump and the Tunisian trader?
Why this might be relevant is that the folks I mentioned can create these effects//examples on a large scale.
Not defending the guy. Maybe just trying to deflect back to polite conversation.
Money and resources play a part. If he had had plenty of money he could have been a raging bipolar or severely personality disordered and not had to result to this.
Money gives you lots of options to make up for your repeated mistakes without having to really "pay" for them or be so stressed at the results of your mistakes that you resort to extreme action.
Good points. In that regard, I am not really trying to be funny, but: Is that the "God's" work behind Keynesianism? The reason this is not funny is because it circles back to inflation and the tunsian trader.
A messed up as this country is, I am blessed with how cool it is that we can talk about this stuff.
In tunisia it is more fucked up and more stressful and people are living close to the bone. there is true sustained hunger if one does not find a way to produce food or an income.
In more stressful societies even normal people could succumb to the stress eventually. The more severe your personality disorder or bipolar disorder the less stress it takes. The more normal you are, and none of us are completely normal, the more stress it takes to commit an extreme action.
Sure, what I was going after is that Keynesianism created the corruption that the folks in Tunisia rebelled against, even if the bureaucrats dolling out the money did not intend for the food merchant to get squeezed.
And that was my platitude about how it is cool that we can analyze this stuff in a free and open forum, which is about as extreme as anybody should take it regardless of personality disorders. In my case, I learn so much about the world from sites like this. When I get mad, arrogant or both, I fire up a simulation game like Civilization and see how good the developers are at codifying (legal pun) the "rules" Blue Pill, but not ever hurting anyone else.
Many of us here are not actually smart enough to be computer hackers, but the pope says the non violent components of it are better than violence.
Vatican Says Computer Hackers Are More Saint Than Sinner
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2011/04/08/vatican-says-computer-hackers-are-more-saint-than-sinner/
Point well taken
Wow, a lot of assumptions based mainly on stereotyping and very little data. I guess, if i would memorize all the classifications and stereotypes of the profession, and used some plain old patternmatching, even i could be a psychiatrist.
You should look at the FBI profiles of survivors of such incidents. It is remarkable how similar they are to each other.
-Most survivors of incident B have personality A. Therefore personality A are likely to be involved in incident B. Lol. You Win. Has the FBI ever heard of experiments needing a control group?
-Notice all of your education comes from a centralized control body. Didn't you say something about the guy being a victim of group think...
-On the word personality Disorder. In a world of limited resources there is no way for a centralized body to know what is a a fair distribution of such resources. Our constitution is was one of the best attempts to distribute freedom, resources when it is impossible to know what fair is. Now attempt to apply this concept to your concept of 'Personality Disorder'. Apparently God came down and told you what personalities are proper personalities. If you can do that, get back to me. Otherwise you're wasting my time. I stopped arguing with user Cognitive Dissonance long ago - he actually believes his primitive standard western psychology model allows him to model the infinite complexities of the human mind. To a 'professional' philosopher, I giggle, and get sad - by putting people into such a model it actually has the effect of making people who read that analysis dumber . Kinda like the Bernank thinking he can model the economy..
epistemology and nosology can be argued indefinitely. I only point out there are certain patterns of behavior that can fit our constructs of personality disorder. When someone fits these constructs they do have some value in terms of analysing how they function and their success or failure in life. Personality isn't the only thing that results in success or failure. There are many issues. I don't deny that the construct that some people call "class oppression" also is involved in much maladaptive behavior.
The amount of research in attempting to find common elements of human behavior and their associated patterns is immense. With the MMPI and other projects we have followed these people for years and have data on future behavior based on previous testing and diagnostic patterns. These constructs are very robust. We all know a serious narcissist when we see one. They are often failures in life, blaming others, refusing to take jobs that are "beneath" them and never achieving their potential. Of course money and stress interact with personality and some people appear less maladaptive because they have tons of money to help solve their problems and make them go away.
all of which apparently qualifies you to act as judge, jury and executioner and tool of the state. why don't you deconstruct the antagonist in this article with the same vigor?
a good long look in the mirror might be in order.
+333 for the sacred chao avitar.
Supposedly, even if this man spat in the face of every person he ever met in his life, called his grandmother a whore, acts "totally weird" according to his yuppie neighbors, and actually murdered all of his children, he would still be entitled to the fair and equal application of the law in his case. Those who managed to read past the first couple lines probably ended up with the impression that in this case, that was not given.
No amount of well-poisoning can invalidate the truth in this man's statements that in family court, the rule of law is dead, and what replaces it should be abhorrent to anyone who spends more than five seconds concerning himself with how a system of laws should function.
Do the people who are focused on the faillings of this man rather than the truth of his words support the elimination of fairness, accountability, and openly documented, uniformly applied rules and law simply in order to punish the people they have made snap judgements about?
Probably- by either seeing it directly justified or indirectly by turning a blind eye to the bigger picture. It explains much about why we have gotten to where we are in the first place. We owe our thanks to such great examples of why this country is doomed.
Fairness is not that this man get everything he want, or that his contribution to the problems be ignored.
There are judgments that have to be made, however imperfect, to do what is in the best interests of the children which is the standard in most courts. He has given enough hints that he was not a stable father, probably couldn't hold a job for long, and that perhaps the fair thing to do if an administrative judge is faced with all this is to give custody to the mother.
"There are judgments that have to be made, however imperfect, to do what is in the best interests of the children which is the standard in most courts. "
So then, "the best interests of the children" (as per the main post) are to put them in poverty, deprive them of their father, put them all out on the street and maybe the foster care system? How can you possibly believe that result, if it occurs, is in ANYONE'S best interest?
"He has given enough hints that he was not a stable father, probably couldn't hold a job for long, and that perhaps the fair thing to do if an administrative judge is faced with all this is to give custody to the mother."
You have just proved the bulk of his post. Without personally knowing him or making any examination of him, you have condemned him - just as the judicial system does to numerous fathers every year. Enjoy the harvest of your planting: fatherless children, raised in poverty, warped for life by a system without flexibility or adaptability.
When his juvenile delinquent children, raised on the street, pull a gun and demand your wallet, then kneecap you for "fun" or to impress their gangsta fellows - I hope you can smile, knowing it was all for "the best interests of the children".
The. guy. caused. his. own. problems. People. who. set. themselves. on. fire. are. not. normal.
Get it now?
"The. guy. caused. his. own. problems."
Really? I wonder how it would have played out if the state had not gotten involved. Would he have ended in flames? Would his kids actually have been worse off?
Yes....
I think I get it now.
When it gets to the point where I can no longer take this stupid shit, and need to make a statement to that effect, I am going to set *you* on fire in front of the courthouse.
Then, I can maintain my cherished "normal" status.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
It is really impressive when mental health quacks can give their "educated" opinions about someone by just reading a story without knowing all the facts. Top should have a TV show to display his brilliance of analyzing people without meeting them.
Most of these quacks suck at the government tit all their lives.
You are really a completely indoctrinated moron.
finally, someone gets it
Whose bread I eat his song I sing, and the pay is good. Of all the mental health professionals I have known in
30 year of practice including forensic psychology and marriage and family counselling , I found that psychiatrists are generally the most arrogant and often the most poorly trained for what they do.
Your comments reflect that arrogance with all the psychobabble and jumpting to conclusions and generalizations. And what about the many good issues this guy brings up? ... not important right, just dismiss them, psychiatrize them away.
The good issues he brings up are dwarfed by his contribution to the entire situation from day one. It does not negate his projection of blame and rationalizations.
You guys are too cynical. You sound like Admin Court commissioners and paid experts, hidebound to a certain context and a certain scope of argument.
Allow me to push out the envelope; what if all of this man's past misdeeds were met with his sincere remorse?
What if he expiated all of it by the deliberated act of setting himself on fire?
Forgiveness and expiation are fine, but it does not change all of the things he did to other people. They have to live with it still.
As I said, the probability is high that I am close to the truth. There was not just one incident. This man had problems but minimized them and blamed others for everything. This guarantees one will never learn much from life.
Regardless of what the world throws at us we have choices. If we learn from bad choices we can avoid repeating them in the future in another variation of the same theme.
Wow, do you actually listen to yourself?
The issues he brings up stand on their own merit regardless of how evil, disturbed or sympathetic anyone judges this person to be. And Im saying that you, like many mental health professionals, prefer to avoid completely or minimize these issues, just as your are demonstrating by your responses. And mental health professionals are paid to do so, it creates and maintains jobs. The abuse and distraction from social issues by using ¨mental health¨concepts is alive and well regardless of Thomas´s Szasz´s book, the Myth of Mental Illness and many other jprofessioonals who continue to address the mis-use and abuse and inappropriateness of mental health concepts.
Addendum .... just as I thought, topcallingtroll does not want to focus on the issues, just the alleged pathology of this guy. He says elsewhere that it´s easy to stay out of the legal system. Absolutely not true... at least 50% of the people I have seen in the legal system in over 30 years of professional practice have been ignored or overlooked or inadequately treated by mental health professionals. Special thanks to the great Regan who emptied the mental hospitals.
"his projection of blame and rationalizations."
A very serious crime, indeed.
The good issues he raises include whether any of the state's actions had a basis in law.
I have heard, Doctor, that it is very difficult to make a man understand something -- when his salary depends upon him not understanding it.
You hit the nail on the head.
You hit the nail on the head.
I always appreciate a reference to Mark Twain! It was his original comment just in a different form. I also loved his Corn Pone Opinions. A man's opinions are really based on where he gets his corn pone.
there are certain patterns that reappear from time to time. If you want to call them mental illness, evil, the results of an oppressive class system, or whatever, these patterns do exist. I make no real judgment on the man. I just know from my own experience and FBI profiles that he seems to fit the typical case.
OK, that does it. I actually couldn't find that online, because I couldn't remember it accurately enough. I am going to start memorizing Mark Twain quotations like I memorize poetry. ( Oh, and Yogi Berra.) (Um.. maybe some Steven Wright.) (and Rodney Dangerfield.)
If I'm not mistaken, that's an Upton Sinclair quote.
yup
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it. Upton Sinclair (1878 – 1968)
Huh?
"If you want to call them mental illness, evil, the results of an oppressive class system, or whatever, these patterns do exist. I make no real judgment on the man."
[FROM three posts up]
"He has given enough hints that he was not a stable father, probably couldn't hold a job for long, and that perhaps the fair thing to do if an administrative judge is faced with all this is to give custody to the mother."
(A) If that is not a judgement, what do you call it? Better yet, if you "make no real judgement on the man" why did you write it? Fond of slander, just for fun?
(B) People are pattern-seeking animals, as a survival trait; that striped rope coming from a bush MIGHT indicate a tiger BEHIND the bush. Or, it might indicate someone left a striped rope lying around. Your perceptions of "patterns" says NOTHING about this man, or any other; you could simply be mistaken, or prejudiced, judgemental and suffering from expert's syndrome. You know, being SURE you have the answers? Like Kennedy's advisers at the Bay of Pigs planning meetings?
I wasnt judging the behaviors. I was describing them. If we had the whole story I bet my descriptions are close.
BS, you all but had him slotted into a DSM-IV TR diagnosis. Tons of education, but scarce understanding.
Suppose the man had killed his daughter? Could his actions lead you to assume that he was not guilty by reason of insanity?
Are you part of the DV industry?
PhD?
Interesting that a shrink would publish an assesment fee gratis and without ever having had a session with the subject and without having the entire set patient files.
Purely unethical as well as arrogant.
I am merely pointing out that my experience and fbi profiles are often chillingly accurate. It would be interesting to get the facts and see how closely he fits the profiles.
You have one data point. He hit his daughter. You've extrapolated the rest.
We have his manifesto. His explanation of events and a call to arms. A person can learn a lot about a person from how they explain things and the words they use. He has a call to arms to burn buildings down with molatov cocktails.
Just pointing out that we have a lot more than 1 data point.
OK, perhaps the other poster was including his manifesto. But his manifesto is not completely unreasonable. Yeah, he was frustrated.
+1
As a psychologist, I am calling out this BS as well.
I grew up, as a young girl, in a home were my Dad would lose it (a white rage) and take his belt off and beat the shit out of us, despite the white rage, he never hit us in the face and he never beat us bad enough that we needed “professional” medical care (i.e. broken bones, stitches etc)....... the physical abuse stopped when my brothers were big enough to fight back, they left the house and joined the Marines, but told my Dad if he ever laid a hand on me or my Mother again they would come back a beat the shit out of him, (and were looking forward to the pleasure of some pay back) they never had to because he never touched us again. Lots of first hand “life lessons” on how to deal with a bully, and how NOT to be intimidated by men or authority figures, it served me well in life.
My Mother suffered though this because she understood the economic reality of the times (pre 1970). I hear my mother's voice and reasoning in this man words, I can still hear her saying to me, "You don't understand, you're too young...", "Don't have children until you can afford to raise them and take care of them without depending on a man." "Make sure you get a good education and don't ever put yourself in a positions were your children's welfare can be used to blackmail you." “It is better not to have children, than to live though this and the guilt (having "damaged" your child) that comes with these choices…” “I am so sorry..” I had my children very late in life... after a very successful career and “all and all” things have turned out well.
I believe that "the system" we currently have in place does nothing to address the underlying societal issues. I have watched two of my three brothers over the course of the years fall into the same behavior patterns they learned from my father and now I have lived long enough were I get to see their sons following in the footsteps of their grandfather and father. Watching the struggles of my nieces and nephews growing up in those homes the situation has changed but NOT IMPROVED since I was a child. The choices and realities are the same and none are good….
Despite this and the psychological issues that this man has, I believe that some of his points have validity.... how’s that for an example of Cognitive Dissonance!!! lol
Why do you assume the man has issues? He used a belt on your ass and spanked you. Completely legal.
Men are in charge of the family and have full authority and responsibility over them. If he did wrong, God will punish him, not the government. It is not for you to question him...you are his daughter, not his judge.
I would like to see how many of the expert opiners on child raising are actual parents. I would also love to observe their respective daily lives: who is responsible vs who merely skates by on dumb luck and favorable odds? Who does "right" and who merely "avoids wrong"? (Meaning, no opportunities for grave error.)
In my life, I learned glib responses to extreme circumstances almost always meant I didn't know a fucking thing about it. Many of the "zero tolerance" posters here strike me in the same way.
Bottom line: we have our much desired "idiot proof" society, a society of idiots that must be and desires to be led about by the nose, as is fitting for a beast of burden.
May God have mercy on this man's soul. May he that made and redeemed us bless and favor his poor children who have been given the heaviest of burdens. As for you that finally broke this man ... and your counterparts in every town and county from sea to shining sea ... God damn you to hell and eternal damnation come Judgment Day. Your ass kissing and willful blindness will not save you.
It is important, vital even, that she realize that as a child she was not to blame for her fathers behaviour. I believe that God will indeed punish the guilty (especially the false leaders who use the bible to support the insupportable), but I also believe that a child who has been in an abusive situation must understand with their adult mind that they are not responsible for another's behaviour. And they have the responsibility to move beyond it and forgive.
The irony of your post just hit me. Here we are on a blog/forum that rails against the ogliarchy for doing wrong (in our eyes) and judging them even though many of them are careful to technically stay within the law. To use your words, it is not for you to question them, you are a citizen, not their judge.
Your stance just struck me as strange seeing it is on this board. I don't know your stance on the ogliarchy, maybe you are defending them.
now are know why you like unbelted men! It goes deep down..
I feel like doing that everytime I go to the DMV.
thank you for posting this; it's important. no matter what side of the issue you find yourself, this article is important. americans have no sense of self anymore, we used to be proud of ourselves & had a place in our communities. many americans now feel beaten down & incapable of fighting back, either too poor, too old or they just plain ol' gave up.
My father was born in 1925. His name was Don. His best friend was Randall. All through their lives they were the bestest of best friends, grew up side by side & closer than brothers. My Dad became a truck driver, Teamsters. Randall grew up to be a local banker. Dad was not rich, Randall became a millionaire. When they went out on a Saturday night with their wives my dad always paid his own way & was proud of it, he never allowed Randall to pay for anything. Dad died a few years ago & Randall gave the eulogy........
that's where this country has gone wrong, & it's not the citizens who have done this to each other, it's the political class that's looted the country both financially & morally.
p.s. to those wonderful posters on ZEROHEDGE who are men with families : Happy Father's Day, you are important to your children & your wives.
"Happy Father's Day, you are important to your children & your wives."
That's what I keep hoping. I'll find out tomorrow...if we eat foie gras and gratin dauphinois or ham and salad!
Thanks lynnybee
Very well put. In the 1970s and before, the average CEO made 10x what the worker on the line did. Socialism? not really. Your father and his friend appreciated good food and good company. There was nothing wrong with them enjoying a night out together. Each paying thier own way.
Of course there was a rentier class of uber wealthy. But for the most part, they kept their risk/reward incentive model exclusive to themselves, perhaps unintentionally saving the peasants from a life they could not successfully navigate. Now a days, If you have been watching the MSM during the last few years, the goto confidence booster/hook save is talking about the now publicly trading companies who cateres to the historical elite: Tiffany & Co. Coach. McMansion home builders, etc. Government ecouraged it with the community re-investment act that either created new housing opulance, or gave people HELOCs for the shiny stuff.
Nothing wrong with raising the standard of liiving for people, but as is consistantly pointed out here, standard of living can not be centrally planned.
Happy fathers dad folks, for all with and without families. We are all equal but different.
breath of fresh air.
and thanks for the good wishes.
i first read this article on saturday waiting out a thunderstorm so i could get back to roofing. my daughter saw the tears on me, and asked 'what's wrong, daddy?'
of course i couldn't say... she's only 9.
God rest this man's soul...
monks do it better.
Bob-Dab, now that would be Tunisian moment.
The hitting ended the story for me. If a man wants to play, he should be willing to pay. But I have to admit: Our legal system is broke. Our medical system is broke. Our political system is broke. Our banking system is broke. Etc..... A new beginning may not be a bad idea.
"If a man wants to play, he should be willing to pay."
How much should he pay and how should it be determined? What are the rules? Who determines the rules?
Wanna hear something wild?
I was in San Diego a few years back renting an apartment with my at the time girlfriend. So we get shit housed drunk and get in this fight. Neither one of us laid a finger on the other, we were just yellin' real loud. So you know what these fuckin' cops do? They arrest both of us for domestic violence and because it was a Friday (and so many people get arrested in California) our court date wasn't until Weds....so we both had to sit in jail 5 nights because we got into an argument. They told us after OJ Simpson and that whole mess they are required to arrest someone, and since our argument seemed mutual, it was in their best judgement to arrest both of us. My girlfriend got fired from her job for not calling in and missing 3 days of work.
It wasn't long after that I moved out of California. The taxes are too high, I don't speak Spanish (which is a huge detriment in southern California) and the laws/regulations were too onerous. I couldn't even get a business started out there because the regulations were so stringent.
Thank you for your honesty.
I see all sortsof Bobs and their significant others in clinic because after they make bail they always agree to counseling rather than plead innocent and take their chances in court.
It is a silly game for a silly mistake, but no one wants to hear screaming battles through the apartment walls. But when one agrees to counseling our clinic has to do our part in the charade. It is less expensive and inconvenient than rolling the dice in a trial. Our counselors are shitty too. No one gets anything out of it except that they better be more circumspect and not scream at each other in close proximity to other people!
Men and women and get into arguments. I don't think it's an offense that merits going to jail.
I would agree, but however crude, it was a wake up call.
Maybe we need social workers to respond to 911 calls when apartment dwellers hear screaming.
I don't know what the answer is. I have been lucky in my life not to have to face some of the consequences of my behavior.
As Mark Twain said....people rarely get what they deserve, and for most of us it is a good thing!
I once called the police because I heard a neighbor screaming, but it turned out she was just a screamer. There was enough embarrassment to go around for everybody.
We need less social workers. That would be a good start.
God no, have you ever met a social worker?
Be kind, and just send the SWAT team instead.
Absolutely agree. Cheers for the anecdote, Cali really is fucked up.
It is the same everywhere now. Even in arkansas which is about as fundamentalist and backward as it gets.
i would have sued the fuck out of them
He did. That was folly- obviously. You didn't even read 1/10 of the manifesto which was the bare minimum one could ask for someone who killed himself to make a statement. And you wouldn't even read 1/10 of it. Sadly, his statement, like his lawsuit, was folly, as it was made to drones in the land of the slave.
hey, bob_d! ++ 4 the new avatar. am i seeing a lunar influence to the timing of these changes? if you ever fire yourself up, maybe tyler would do the regression analysis. after a suitable period of celebra..., er...grief, of course. Hahaha!
this sounds like foreplay after a bottle of tequila. close? i ended up in one, decades ago in my salad daze, that ended with firetrucks & ladders to the roof & windows, swat teams, helicopter----the whole enchilada. she went from fight to flight and dialed 9-1-1, and hung up, before heading to her sister's c. 2 a.m. so this m/f police unit arrives. i explain what happened. they want to come in and check. nope. they call her sister, who does not know she is asleep on her couch. hours later, with slewie holding off ever-increasing levels of encircling containment, they call sis again, and the girls are having cereal, together, c. 8:30 a.m.
the cops have a tough job w/ the domestic stuff. they hafta make the calls, and folks are not as forgiving about police leniency turning out badly for someone as in yore-lore. this is very rough duty for the responding law enforcement, who must make tough decisions while allegedly clean & sober, which makes it all xtra-tough.
i don't like the idea of prison for debtors. how we treat this as a society is important. debt. bankruptcy. liberty. charles dickens' dad was in for it. balzac also writes of the sysem in france, introducing us to the lenders, too, and those who bought and "consolidated" the notes, and planned the forced liquidations of families. with balzac, we get great characters with entire novels devoted to the wondrous vices involved with deficit spending, over-indebtedness, and the law.
many millions of us, created male and female in the image of love and in the universal interests of sex, drugs, and rock&roll have been thru this one way or another, many as children, too, i would think. it is the law, and it is a freaking meat-grinder, just as in dickens' england and balzac's france.
no one like to suffer (well, almost no one), but in the food-chain of this universe, it seems inevitable. possibly related to transformational issues, one might surmise...
http://www.amazon.com/Rantings-Single-Male-Correctness-Everything/dp/097...
and your fucking captcha sucks balls!!!
"A society without men is freakier than a world without blacks or Jews. That is not to say blacks or Jews are any less worthy. It just that there are more men in the world than blacks or Jews even if you combined them. If these feminist had to deal with men on a regular basis, then maybe the country would not be in the pickle we are in now."
From what I see on the street the bussy bodies are working hard to REPLACE all real men with Jews and Nigg. err blacks
Funny story, go ahead and junk it.
My fiancee dealt with her ex going full mental and destroying their entire life together, scaring the living crap out of the kids in the process, and she wanted something different as a a result.
Well, I've heard the line that "once you go black, you never go back." Funny part of this story was that after a lovely German girl got scared by a white guy, she tried out a man with a somewhat darker complexion.
Turns out, the old line just isn't true. Might be for the 400-lb welfare queens, but for a real lady, it isn't. Evidently, the old line about the length and girth of the male appendage is not entirely true, or a real man trumps even that. Don't even care to speculate, as it's unseemly to gloat over a win.
FWIW, I'd trust my lady with my life.
(Junk away, it's a Saturday night, and I've had a few)
I wouldn't date a mudshark skank