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Guest Post: New Hampshire Man Burns Self At Courthouse In Protest
From Jim Quinn At The Burning Platform
New Hampshire Man Burns Self At Courthouse In Protest
A New Hampshire man burned himself to death in front of a
courthouse. The specific reasons are individual to him, regarding a
domestic violence arrest and prosecution. But the larger reason he
killed himself is that he says the system no longer follows the Rule of
Law. Once you read past the details, he gives a fascinating analysis of
the system. He argues for a complete takedown of the Federal Government
and starting over from scratch.
He may be an example of what is to come - people throwing themselves violently up against the system in order to bring it down.
It's fifteen pages. Longer than Joe Stack's. But much shorter than the Obamacare bill.
Here is the link:
http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/last-statement-sent-to-sentinel-from-self-immolation-victim/article_cd181c8e-983b-11e0-a559-001cc4c03286.html
Editor’s note: On Thursday morning, June 16, The Sentinel received a
“last statement” via mail from a man who insinuated that he planned to
set himself on fire in front of the Cheshire County Court House, and an
explanation of why he intended to do so. Through further reporting, The
Sentinel is confident this is from the victim of Wednesday afternoon’s
fire, although police have not yet received confirmation of his
identity. The 15-page statement is printed in full, except for two
redacted items: The names of the man’s mother and his three children.
Details will be posted as they become available.
Last Statement
by Tom Ball
A man walks up to the main door of the Keene N.H. County Courthouse,
douses himself with gasoline and lights a match. And everyone wants to
know why.
Apparently the old general was right. Death is not the worst of evil.
I am due in court the end of the month. The ex-wife lawyer wants me
jailed for back child support. The amount ranges from $2,200. to $3,000.
depending on who you ask. Not big money after being separated over ten
years and unemployed for the last two. But I do owe it. If I show up for
court without the money and the lawyer say jail, then the judge will
have the bailiff take me into custody. There really are no surprises on
how the system works once you know how it actually works. And it does
not work anything like they taught you in high school history or civics
class.
I could have made a phone call or two and borrowed the money. But I
am done being bullied for being a man. I cannot believe these people in
Washington are so stupid to think they can govern Americans with an iron
fist. Twenty-five years ago, the federal government declared war on
men. It is time now to see how committed they are to their cause. It is
time, boys, to give them a taste of war.
There are two kinds of bureaucrats you need to know; the ones that
say and the ones that do. The bridge between them is something I call
The Second Set of Books. I have some figures of the success of their
labors. You and I are in these numbers, as well as our spouses and
children. But first let me tell you how I ended up in this rabbit hole.
My story starts with the infamous slapping incident of April 2001.
While putting my four year old daughter to bed, she began licking my
hand. After giving her three verbal warnings I slapped her. She got a
cut lip. My wife asked me to leave to calm things down.
When I returned hours later, my wife said the police were by and said
I could not stay there that night. The next day the police came by my
work and arrested me, booked me, and then returned me to work. Later on
Peter, the parts manager, asked me if I and the old lady would be able
to work this out. I told him no. I could not figure out why she had
called the police. And bail condition prevented me from asking her. So I
no longer trusted her judgment.
After six months of me not lifting a finger to save this marriage,
she filed for divorce. Almost two years after the incident, I was
talking with her on the phone. She told me that night she had called a
mental health provider we had for one of the kids. Wendy, the counselor
told my then wife that if she did not call the police on me, then she
too would be arrested.
Suddenly, everything made sense. She is the type that believes that
people in authority actually know what they are talking about. If both
she and I were arrested, what would happen to our three children, ages
7,4 and 1? They would end up in State custody. So my wife called the
police on her husband to protect the children. And who was she
protecting the kids from? Not her husband, the father of these children.
She was protecting them from the State of New Hampshire.
This country is run by idiots.
The police sergeant Freyer screwed this up from the get go. When I
got the Court Complaint form the box was checked that said Domestic
Violence Related. I could not believe that slapping your child was
domestic violence. So I looked up the law. Minor custodial children are
exempted. Apparently, 93% of American parents still spank, slap or pinch
their children. To this day I still wonder if Freyer would have made
this arrest if it had been the mother that had slapped the child.
Labeling someone’s action as domestic violence in American in the
21st century is akin to labeling someone a Jew in Germany in the 1930′s.
The entire legal weight of the state is coming down on him. But I
consider myself lucky. My family was destroyed. But that poor bastard in
Germany had his family literally annihilated.
Arrests are mandatory for the police in New Hampshire for domestic
violence. That is not law. That is police department policy. Laws come
from the Legislature and the Governor’s office together. God only knows
where these policies come from. The State’s Attorney General also has a
mandatory arrest protocol for domestic violence. I call these policies,
procedures and protocols The Second Set of Books. You never cover the
Second Set of Books your junior year in high school. That because we are
not suppose to have a Second Set of Books. This is America-we have the
rule of law.
I am a regular guy, a coffee and cheeseburger type of fellow. As
remarkable as my life has been, I figure that what happens to me must be
happening to others as well. I was 48 years old when I got arrested
here for my first time. So I went looking for the arrest numbers for
domestic violence, this new group that I had unwilling joined. I could
not find anything. So I wrote the U.S. Dept. of Justice in Washington.
They wrote back that they did not keep track of domestic violence
arrests. The FBI keeps track of all other crimes. How come not domestic
violence? I thought some low level clerk was blowing me off.
At the time, I had mailing addresses in both New Hampshire and
Massachusetts. So I wrote to all six Congressional offices, the two
Senators from each state and the two Congressman. They like doing favors
for constituents hoping you will favorably remember their name in the
voting booth. All six offices reported back the same thing. They do not
know how many arrests for domestic violence have been made. I
immediately knew something was wrong. And I also knew this was not going
to be good.
Improvise, adapt and overcome. The Army teaches that to every soldier
it trains. They say that no battle plan survives the first five minutes
of combat. So your people on the ground had better be able to think for
themselves. Taking casualties in war is just an occupational hazard.
Taking casualties and not accomplishing your mission is a disaster.
After 21 years of Army service, I am pretty good at improvising.
The first thing I found was a study not of domestic violence arrests
but of domestic violence injuries for 18 unnamed states and the D.C. in
the year 2000. In the study 51% of the injuries were ‘no injuries’. So I
knew I had a study of police reports. Who else but a police officer
would record no injuries? I populated that out to the 50 states and came
up with 874,000 arrest in the year 2000.
I had originally populated the number back to 1994 when the Violence
Against Women Act (VAWA) was enacted into law. I would later find out
these arrests stated with the U.S. Attorney General’s Task Force of
Domestic Violence ten years earlier in 1984. As individual states data
became available for various years and states, I would incorporated in
to my informal study. The number I have now in 2011 is 36 million adults
have been arrested for domestic violence. I have a gut feeling this
number could be as high as 55 million. But I only have data to 36
million. So 36 million it stays. And there is a really cool trick you
can do once you have this number. You can find out how many American
men. women and children ended up homeless because of these arrests.
Most of the domestic violence statistics I have seen break down with
75% male and 25% female being arrested. So I am going to used the male
pronoun for the one arrested spouse and the female pronoun for the
victim spouse. That should make the domestic violence feminists
ecstatic-man bad, woman good. But that is okay because that is probably
the last nice thing I am going to do for them today.
When then a man is arrested for domestic violence, one of two things
can happen. If they are only dating and have separate apartments, then
he can head home. But if they are living together, then this fellow has a
real problem. Bail conditions and then a possible protective or
restraining order prevent him from being with her. So he needs to find a
new place to live, at least until the charges are resolved. The King of
his Castle is no longer allowed into his castle. A feminist name Pence
who wrote that was absolutely giddy at that outcome. So he can get his
own place if he has enough money. Or he can move in with his mother, his
sister or another relative. He might have a girl friend who would let
him stay with her. And if none of this is possible, well then I guess he
is sleeping in his car down by the river.
If he has minor children, money will soon turn into an issue. Most
men I know do not mind paying child support. They want their kids to
have food on their plates, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their
heads. But it does stress that man’s finances. Child support is usually
33% of the man’s gross income. Withholding for taxes, social security
and health insurance can range up to 28% of his gross paycheck. So a man
making $500 a week gross has only $825 monthly left over after
withholding and child support. That is not enough money for an apartment
here in Central Massachusetts. That does not include other expenses
like heating, electric, gas, groceries, telephone, cable, car payment
and car insurance. So he is in a financial hole. Estimates of homeless
men run 82% to 94%. I am going to round that down to 80%.
After the King has left his castle, his wife runs into a problem. She
was use to getting his whole paycheck for the household. Now she get a
third for child support. Figure they both work and made the same money,
her budget went from 100% down to 66%. If she was running the house on
$3,045. a month when the King was home, now without him she only has
$2,220. Most households in America cannot withstand a 27% hit on the
household account. She’ll juggle the bills but eventually most wives
figure out that they can pay all the smaller bills if they just does not
pay the big bill. That would be the rent or the mortgage. So six to
nine months after the King is out of the castle, the Queen, the Princes
and the Princesses are also on the street. Domestic violence feminists
state that 50% of victim spouses of domestic violence end up homeless at
some time in their lives.
The last group of homeless from these arrests are children. The
domestic violence feminists state that 70% of domestic violence couple
have children. So 50% female times 70% children equals 35%. But children
is plural. So we will double to 70%.
(Odd isn’t it? They know that 50% of victim spouses end up homeless
and that 70% of them have children. How can they know the percentages
when they do not know how many total arrests were made? Those people at
the U.S. Justice Dept. cannot even pull off a credible cover-up. )
Men are 0.8, women are 0.5, and children are 0.7 for a grand total of
2.0 homeless Americans for every domestic violence arrest. Multiply
that by 36 million and you get 72 million men, women and children ending
up homeless at some point in their lives over the last 25 years because
of these domestic violence arrests.
That is a really large number even by Washington standards. That is
almost 25% of the entire population of the U.S. using 2010 census
figures. Which begs the question did these homeless people contribute to
this latest economic meltdown, or did they cause it? Because if they
did cause it then the recovery will not be measure in months or years
but in decades.
Some of the boys in the Father’s Movement think Congress might have
shot themselves in the foot over this one. Personally, I think they shot
themselves some place anatomically higher. No wonder the Speaker of the
House is always crying. The Dummies on the Potomac.
Twenty-five years ago the federal government start pushing these
arrests on state’s legal systems. Now, we have an economy on the rope.
They have thrown a huge amount of money at banks, big business and local
and states government. And we are still in the mud. But no economist
either at the Treasury Dept., Federal Reserve, universities or think
tanks are even looking at the impact of all these broken families. If
that 36 million arrest is correct, then 72 million men and women, have
been throw out of the middle class into subsistence living. Or is the
number 55 million and 110 million? No one knows and no one is even
looking. But why should look? According to the Attorney General, we do
not know how many arrests we have made.
And if the Tea Party is any indication, insurrection is brewing in
the land. Just a coincident? Not likely. This is what happens when the
government wipes out the middle class.
The idea for these arrests came from something called the Minneapolis
Police Experiment (MPE) of 1981-82. In the experiment police offices
were given pads with one of three words written on them; counsel, send
or arrest. Counsel meant the officer was to try to mediate the couple’s
spat. Send was to send one of the spouses out of the house for eight
hours as a cooling off period. Arrest was arrest one of the two spouses.
The officer was to do as the top paper on the pad said to do. The
experiment was set up by the Police Foundation and Lawrence W. Sherman
was the lead researcher. The results show counseling resulted in a
future assault in 24% cases, send was 19%, and the arrest option
resulted in a future assault in only 10% of the cases. Perhaps a cheap
way of cutting down future domestic violence.
In 1984 The U. S. Attorney General’s Task Force of Domestic Violence
recommended arrest as the primary weapon in domestic violence assault.
Lawrence W. Sherman recommend not using the arrests because the MPE was
just one study and it could be wrong. They ignored him. And by 1992, 93%
of the police departments in the nation had adopted some form of
mandatory arrest in domestic violence cases.
But by 1992 five more addition studies similar to the MPE became
available. Lawrence W. Sherman reviewed all five studies. Then once
again he wrote that the police should not use arrest. In two of the five
studies, they found the same result as they did in the MPE, that an
arrest cut down the odds of a future assault. But in the other three
studies an arrest actually increase the odds of a future assault. So
arresting someone in a domestic violence situation to cut down on future
assaults did not work any better than just flipping a coin. I do not
know if Lawrence W. Sherman is still alive. But fortunately he wrote a
book call Policing Domestic Violence that was published in 1992.
So we have 800,000 American police officers arresting one in every
six adults in the country and throwing 25% of the men, women and
children out on the streets in an effort to enforce a policy that they
knew did not work back in1992. And I had always assumed that you needed a
man to really screw something up. Oh well, there goes another glass
ceiling.
Why would they push an arrest policy that does not work? There are
two schools of thought on the reason why. The first comes from Lawrence
W. Sherman. He calls it the Law of Just Desserts. Revenge for slights
and offenses, real or imagined. I am sure there are some that would
argue that women are not vengeful. But what is that old saying? Hell
hath no fury…..
The second idea comes from the mother of the second wave of feminism.
I do speak of the brilliant Betty Friedan. In the Epilogue Chapter of
the 20th Anniversary Edition of her book The Feminine Mystique, Betty
relayed why she resigned as the first president of the National
Organization of Women in 1970. Betty wrote that she, “was unable to
openly fight the man haters and unwilling to front for them any more…”
So man hating bigots no only existed 40 years ago, they were also
grabbing power. Now Washington is funding them. Makes you wonder what
bigots they will fund next. Maybe the Klan?
Feminists had always claimed that when women took over, we would have
a kinder, gentler, more nurturing world. After 36 million arrests and
72 million evictions what we got was Joe Stalin.
The third wave of feminists do not like to call themselves feminists.
The word feminist could be perceived as gender oppression. These third
wave of whatever-we-call-you got that right The treachery of our legal
system over the last 25 years may end up giving all feminists a bad
name. Which would make us as bigoted as the man-hating feminists who got
us into this mess to begin with.
So let us talk about those bureaucrats that do. These are the ones
that actually carry out the evil deeds. I like call them the do-bies.
Any one swept up into legal mess is usually astonished at what they
see. They cannot believe what the police, prosecutors and judges are
doing. It is so blatantly wrong. Well, I can assure you that everything
they do is logical and by the book. The confusion you have with them is
you both are using different sets of books. You are using the old First
Set of Books- the Constitution, the general laws or statutes and the
court ruling sometime call Common Law. They are using the newer Second
Set of Books. That is the collection of the policy, procedures and
protocols. Once you know what set of books everyone is using, then
everything they do looks logical and upright. And do not bother trying
to argue with me that there is no Second Set of Books. I have my own
copies at home. Or at least a good hunk of the important part of it.
I got my Second Set of Books when I sued the Jaffrey NH police
department. Under the discovery rule, I write them with the material I
wanted and it would arrive in the mail a few weeks later. I got the
Police Academy Training Manual. I got the Department’s Policy and
Procedure Manual. I got the no-drop protocol that the attorney general
sent to all his or her prosecutors. I even got the domestic violence
protocols for the court system, one hundred pages worth. Once you read
it the material, then you will know what the police, prosecutors and
judges will do. They are completely predictable once you know what set
of books they are using.
The police academy training manual states that an arrest in a
domestic violence call is the preferred response. They cite the
Minneapolis Police Experiment (MPE) as its justification. But the author
of the MPE, Lawrence Sherman, said do not use arrest because five
follow up studies show that it did not work. The would be a violation of
the 4th Amendment in the First Set of Books against unreasonable search
and seizure. Then there is that whole issue of whether the police have
the right to arrest for any reason other than they believe a crime was
committed.
The Jaffrey Police Department Policy and Procedures Manual states
that if a wife says she does not want her husband arrested, the police
are to ignore her, arrest the husband, and get with the prosecutor to
see what they can work out. In other words, make the arrest and then see
if you can Mickey Mouse it. The wife is eligible for spousal immunity.
If she invokes it, then no statement she mades, written or oral, are
admissible because she cannot be cross examined about it under oath. (
Did you say that? What did you mean when you said that?) With no
statements the police have no probable cause in most cases to make an
arrest. Also a violation of the 4th amendment in the First Set of Books.
The actor Nickolas Cage was drunk in New Orleans with his wife.
Everyone else is drunk in New Orleans, so why should Nick be any
different. He and his wife were arguing over which house the rented for
their stay. Nick grab his wife’s arm and started to lead her to his
house. The police arrested Nick for domestic violence. His wife was
stunned. That was not domestic violence. “Nothing we can do,” the police
explained to her. “Just following orders.”
That is an accurate explanation for victims, even if they do not
think of themselves as victims. The police have a zero tolerance towards
any physical contact. Things might get worse in the future is the
feminist logical for this present iron fist approach to domestic
relations. I would have to agree with them. After all the arrests,
poverty, homelessness and misery, I can assure you-things are going to
get worse.
But that nothing we can do, just following orders the officers
explain always sounds so timid and lame. The police need to punch their
explanation up a bit, make it more authoritarian. And there is a quick,
low cost way of doing it. The police officers only need to say it in its
original German.
The state Constitution in NH said the prosecutors job is to promote
justice. The Attorney Generals protocols said that domestic violence
case are no-drop cases. (Unless, of course, they take the Deal. Continue
the case for a year, go to counseling, and everything falls off the
books after the year. They did after all find some way of getting rid of
all these cases.)
The Attorney General can hire, fire, layoff, promote, demote, commend
or award bonuses. The constitution is some old, quaint, dusty document
up in the Statehouse some where. So which one do you think is going to
get obeyed?
Prosecutors are funny. Some, maybe most, have egos the size of Cape
Cod. But of the three, police, prosecutor and judges, prosecutors have
the least protection. Micheal Nifong, the prosecutor in the Duke
Lacrosse Rape Case, was fired, disbarred, convicted of a crime, and
actually jailed for trying to enforce the no-drop prosecution protocol
for sexual assault in the Duke case.
The prosecutor in my criminal case fared a little better. I filed a
complaint with his boss for summoning my two daughters, ages 7 and 4, to
court. I had already conceded that the facts were not in dispute. The
trial would be about the law. No witness were need much less a couple of
toddlers. He still summoned them. (The Second Set of Books tells the
prosecutors to get a sympathetic face in front of the judge or jury.
What’s more sympathetic than toddlers.) The prosecutor could not refute
my allegation because I enclosed a copy of the trial transcript. I had
to pay for the transcript. When the prosecutor read it, he gave his two
weeks notice and then blew town. That transcript was the best $46 I had
ever spent in this life.
There is a name for what happens when a bureaucrat is destroyed by
the First Set of Books for attempting to enforce the Second Set of
Books. It is called the Abu Ghraib Syndrome. The people within the law
enforcement community no longer seem to know the difference between the
law, with its checks and balances, and the policies, procedure and
protocols that constitute The Second Set of Books. In some cases you do
not even know who wrote the policy, procedure or protocol. It could have
been the local high school gym teacher for all anyone knows. Many of
these bureaucrats are eventually going to learn the different between
the First and the Second Set of Books. And my guess is that many of them
are going to learn it the hard way. Because the only checks and
balances in The Second Set of Books is The First Set of Books.
Judges routinely use our children as bargaining chips. Get the adult
into counseling, continue the case for a year, and then drop it. This
will open up the docket for the new arrests coming in next week. These
judges that use our children are not honorable. Which is why I never use
the term ‘Your Honor’ any more. I just call them judge.
Alex Baldwin, the actor, wrote that you have never seen a coward
until you have seen a Los Angeles County judge. I call my
judges-Sullivan, Arnold and even Runyon-cowards, too. When I first
started observing them, nothing made sense. Arnold was completely
infuriated when he was maneuvered into ruling not guilty. He verbally
went up and down me so many times I lost count. What was the big deal?
If I was not guilty just say and then we could all go home. But that was
back in the days before I knew about The Second Set of Books.
I lost visitation with my two daughters when I got arrested. One was
the victim-the other was the witness. After a not guilty, I expected to
get visitation with my girls. But the divorce judge, Sullivan, decreed
that counseling was in order and they would decide when we would
reunite. I told the judge that the decision on whether these two girls
had a father or a fatherless childhood was not leaving this courthouse.
There would be a couple of reason for that decision.
First, by then I knew of the Second Set of Books. As much as I had
prayed for the return of my children, I knew that this counseling might
get thrown in the way. Judges are addicted to counseling like a
meth-head is addict to crystal meth. Sullivan wrote in the divorce
decree that he envision only one or two meetings with the counselor.
There is no counseling done in the first meeting or two. It is
intake-who’s the players and what are the issues. But Sullivan was not
interested in counseling. He merely wanted to unload the decision out of
habit. And if we do not shut them down now, they will be doing it to
our kids in twenty years from now when they have little ones running
around the house.
Second, just exactly where does the buck stop with our legal system?
Police have to make an arrest. The prosecutor has to pursue the case.
Judges now also walk a away without rendering a verdict, and passing the
buck does not constitute a decision. Can those mental health counselors
slide the decision over to someone else? Just where does this end? Who
is responsible? Who is accountable?
The mental health crowd is the third reason I said no. Some people
think they are geniuses with their Masters and PH D’s. Others think they
are so wacky that they call them fruit loops. Well, I have a third name
for them. Suckers. They did not get hired for their medical ability.
They got these because they were willing to take these cases off the
judge’s hands. Which has done nothing for the credibility for their
profession. We are not here to help-we are here to unload. And they
created a liability that did not previously existed. If a judge releases
a defendant and he goes kills someone, that judge or the judiciary
cannot be sued. But a mental health worker, and their employer certainly
can be held liable. Our judiciary is now using the mental health field
like a ten dollar whore.
I sued Monadnock Family Services to make them go away. I told their
lawyer Byron that they were a legitimate target for men. We settled for
no money. They would have nothing to do with this reconciliation. The
counselor was released. And they would no longer get involved in any
domestic violence cases.
Every time we ended back in court over whatever squabbles, I would
ask Judge Sullivan for my children back. The decision belong to the
counselors he would tell me. But he knew he had screwed up. I could see
it in his face. But he would not fix it. He would not step out of that
box those domestic violence/sexual assault advocates had built for him.
After five years, he retired to a part time position at the Littleton
courthouse 120 miles away.
So when guys like Alex Baldwin and I call judges cowards, we have
legitimate reasons for doing so. It is not good for judges to be called
coward. It is unlikely that it is good for the rest of us.
I do not claim to have all The Second Set of Book. I know of one book
that I do not have. And I would have love to read that one. That would
be the seminar that the domestic violence and sexual assault advocates
put on periodically for legal personnel including judges. These
advocates are camped outside every state, not federal, courthouse in
America. The U.S. Dept of Justice provides 50-100% of their funding
depending on the program. They have three day seminars at resorts where
everything is paid for except the liquor. Judges in NH are ordered to
attend. Neither Sullivan or Arnold would confirm or deny they had
attended. They actually said nothing. It must be like the Masons where
they will not say anything about the organization until you show them
the secret hand sign.
Supreme Court Judge Louis Brandeis once wrote that the best
description of a judge is the impartial guardian of the rule of law. How
does three days of wine, women and song contribute to impartiality? It
does not. So it should not have been any surprise that they would not
answer me. After all, they were not on trial. I was. But they are going
to be. They were suppose to protect to rule of law not collaborate in
its demise. They have failed miserably.
A guardian ad litem is an attorney appointed for a child. The
attorney solely represents the child. I got one when I was first
separated to get a neutral pair of eyes and ears on the family. I was
disappointed in his findings.
A few years later, another guardian was appointed for one of the
kids. A regular report filed with the Court painted me as some sort
violent psychopath. I thought that was uncalled for seeing as we had
never met. It start a flurry of nasty letters between until we both came
to the conclusion that this was not about us. We ended on a friendly
note.
At a Court hearing later on I approached him. I asked him if he had
had any domestic violence training. He said yes, that it was required to
become certified as a guardian ad litem. Another chapter for The Second
Set of Books that I never managed to acquire.. So men, if you were
thinking about getting a guardian ad litem for an unbiased assessment,
then you should ask for the domestic violence material that certified
the guardian. And do not worry that you are not sure what you are
looking for. It will stand right out.
There are more sections of The Second Set of Books. Medical personnel
are supposed to report suspected domestic violence. The college
professor Angela Davis has a story of a Latino couple in California
getting in trouble feeding the dog his liver for dinner. Mental health
employees are also required. Think of Wendy threatening our kids with
foster care. Teachers, day care providers, the list just goes on and on.
The East German secret police, the Stazi, had 25% of the population on
record as informers. The United States is not that high yet, but we are
still growing.
These people-police, prosecutors and judges-are suppose to protect
us. They are checks and balances to prevent injustice. That is why we
spend so much money of police training. But if the police screw it up,
the prosecutor can catch it. If the prosecutor misses it then the judge
can step in to fix it. But if all three have been compromised, then what
does one need to do to get justice? Go to the appeals court or the
Supreme Court? That seem a little ridiculous particularly when the zero
tolerance has arrests for something as trivial as touching.
On one hand we have the law. On the other hand we have what we are
really going to do-the policies, procedures and protocols. The rule of
law is dead. Now we have 50 states with legal systems as good as any
third world banana republic. Men are demonized and the women and
children end up as suffering as well.
So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and
courthouses. The Second Set of Books originated in Washington. But the
dirty deeds are being carried out by our local police, prosecutors and
judges. These are the people we pay good money to protect us and our
families. And what do we get for our tax money? Collaborators who are no
different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during
the Second World War. All because they go along to get along. They are
an embarrassment, the whole lot of them. And they need to be held
accountable. So burn them out.
In the last 25 years they have arrested one in six adults in this
country and forced 25% of the men, women and children into homelessness.
In 50 years it will be one in three adults arrested and 50% of the men,
women and children ending up homeless. Most of our kids will live to
the age of 68 years old. As bad as it was for you, your children will
have twice the odds of it happening to them.
Some of you will say that 50% homelessness sounds absurd. But 25% is
absurd and that is already here. There is no evidence that the police,
courts, or government is planning to do anything different in the
immediate future. And they will not do anything different until we make
it so uncomfortable that they must change. Bureaucracy at its worst. So
burn them out. This is too important to be using that touchy-feeling
coaching that is so popular with business these days. You need to
flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to
replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!
Most of the police stations built in New England over the last 20
years are stone or brick. Fortunately, the roofs are still wood. The
advantage of fire on the roof is that it is above the sprinklers. But
even the sprinklers going off work to our advantage. There is no way
they can work in a building with six inches of water. And I am certain
we will disrupt their momentum once they start working out of a FEMA
trailers. If they still do not get the message, then burn down the
trailers.
The easiest way of burning a building is with the Molotov cocktail.
It was invented by the Finns when the Soviets invaded in 1939. You fill a
bottle with gasoline and stuff a rag in the end for a wick. You light
the wick and throw bottle, It shatters on impact spraying gas everywhere
and the wick ignites the gas. Simple, readily available, and effective.
And only two things to remember.
First, use a glass bottle. Thinner glass is better than thicker
glass. You want it to shatter on impact. When I was teaching a kid at
the high school on the West Side Worcester, MA. threw a Molotov cocktail
into his school. Fortunately, he used a plastic bottle. It burned about
three square inches of carpeting. I had to laugh when I said to myself,
“Thank God for dumb kids.”
Second, you need to tie the rag to the bottle. Nothing worse that
throwing a Molotov cocktail, landing where you wanted it, and having it
shatter perfectly. Then you noticed the wick had fallen out on the way
to the target. No wick-no fire.
Some of these building will have brick faces and metal roofs. Just
break a window and throw the Molotov cocktail inside. Carpets,
furniture, computer plastic, even paint on the walls will burn. It is
okay if the sprinkler goes off. I wonder if you can get hip waders over a
gun belt?
We had a kid in my hometown that burned down the old junior high
school. He walked up to the front door one night with a can of lighter
fluid. The applicator on the end squirts the lighter fluid out. He
squirted under the door and along the seams and lit a match. The kid
took out the entire old part of the building. Why are kids so competent
when it is something they should not be doing?
There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded,
some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will
be ours.
Now, nobody wants to get killed. But let us look at your life. You
are broke after paying child support. She and the kids are not doing any
better. None of you are middle class any more. You have no say in the
kids education, their health treatment, you may not even have visitation
with your sons and daughters. And everything you thought you knew to be
true-the rule of law, the sanctity of the of the family, the belief
that government was there to nurture your brood-all turned out to be a
lie. Face it boys, we are no longer fathers. We are just piggy banks.
So you are not losing anything by picking up the Molotov cocktail. It
may be too late for us. But without something changing, your kids will
have double the odds of it happening to them. That will knock them out
of the middle class again, providing they ever get back in. And their
kids, your grandchildren, will end up damaged goods before it is over.
So it is okay to run. You just need to turn around and run at them. They
are no way as imposing as they seem. They only do what they do for a
paycheck.
Television would make us believe that people get arrested because of
fingerprints, DNA, facial recognition, and instruments that can tell
where a substance was made and here is the local distributors. It is
Hollywood crap. Most of the people in prison are there for one key
reason. They could not keep their mouths shut. They told someone. That
someone told others. The cops hear it and start looking at them for a
suspect. That how it works in real life.
This need to confess seems to be primeval. Just human nature. But if
you cannot keep a secret, do not expect the one you tell to keep their
mouth shut. There is only three people I know for certain they will keep
their mouths shut. That would be Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
I only managed to get the main door of the Cheshire County Courthouse
in Keene, NH. I would appreciate it if some of you boys would finish
the job for me. They harmed my children. The place is evil. So take it
out
Some where along the line I picked up the crazy notion that it is
better to be dead as a free man than to live as a serf. The government
needs to be a little more careful about what they teach in our schools.
And bring a can of spray paint to these fires. Paint the word
COLLABORATORS ( two L’s with an S on the end) on the building before you
burn it. Maybe we can shame them back to the rule of law. And we do
want the police to know exactly who burned the building. Then the police
can start interviewing the usually suspects, all 36 million of us.
We have covered the do-bies. Now let us look at the bureaucrats that say-ers.
The Second Set of Books originated in Office of Violence Against
Women (OVW) which is part of the United States Department of Justice.
Some of these policies, procedures and protocol were developed locally.
But the local results would be sent up to OVW and, if approved, would
disperse it out to all 50 states. They are smart, clever, bigoted and
able to lie as well as any politician that ever called Washington home.
In other words, they have now become Washington insiders.
But what makes them so uniques is their anger towards men, any man.
They are so twisted in their hatred of men that they are positively
scary. And it is not what they are doing to men that makes them
frightening. You would expect that. No, it is what they are doing to the
women and children that makes them so twisted.
When the Pentagon drops a bomb on innocent civilians the military
calls it Collateral Damage. It sounds better than, “Yeah, we killed a
bunch of women and children.” Those poor, innocent, stupid civilians
have always been caught in the middle since the time we were fighting
with rocks.. Your wife and kids are Collateral Damage in the war against
you, the man in the family. For 25 years these feminists at OVAW have
been willing to sacrifice the women and children to get you. And they
cannot claim ignorance about what they are doing. Under the VAWA the
federal government is funding at least 1,800 homeless shelters. As long
as the Office for Violence Against Women exists in the U.S. Department
Justice , no American man, women or child will be safe in their own
home.
If you ask these feminists why are the shelters all full, they will
not say because of all the arrests. The shelters are full because of
men. But they knew from the beginning that this was not man bad-woman
good thing. The year was 1976. Two things would happen that year.
First, someone at the U.S. Dept of Justice decided to count the dead
bodies. In 1975 there were 1522 women killed in domestic violence. And
for men killed in 1975? The dead for men was 1506. Statistically equal a
friend tells me so.
If you had asked me before the study, I would have assumed that women
were getting the worst of it. But I would be looking at it by genders.
What I should have been looking at was species, homo-sapiens, human
beings. Men are human-women are human. Being the same species you would
expect the same results from both genders. And that is exactly what the
dead bodies told us.
The second thing that happened in 1976 was the first domestic
violence survey was released. It was so new the time that they called it
family violence. Murray Straus of UNH and Richard Gellars from a school
in RI were the researchers. They did not find two perpetrators of
domestic violence, but three. Men initiated violence 25.7% of the time:
women 25.2%, and the other 49.1% was the two going after each at the
same time. These two people going after each other at the same time is
well recognized in law. The law in NH calls that mutual combat. Men are
human. Women are human. And once again we found both genders acting the
same manner.
So how did we end up with the theory of man bad-woman good that the
government at all levels is using? The feminist writer Susan Brownmiller
wrote In Our Time that,” the way you get funding and church donations
is to talk about the pure victims. If you talk about the impurity of the
victim, the sympathy vanishes.” If women get to be good then men get
what is left-bad. Man bad-woman good was originally a funding raising
technique. After 35 years, it has turned into official government dogma
at all levels, from the local cop on the beat to the White House. Men
need to be punished, restrained and retrained. Your wives and children
are, unfortunately, just collateral damage in this effort to punish men.
So you were not dreaming it. There really is a government pogrom
against men.
When a man batters or kills, there is no excuse. When a woman commits
the same act, there is nothing but excuses. Simple though inaccurate.
But there is one redeeming aspect to men being demonized. Now we men can
act like devils. And we do not even need to apologize for it. Men are
going to start acting just like they made us out to be. As an old high
school semi-punk I can assure you boys of one thing. This is going to be
fun. You guys are going to end up laughing like hyenas.
The money funded under the VAWA is split in two when it leaves the
Treasury. Part goes the Health and Human Services for fund these
domestic violence homeless shelters. If that 36 million number is
correct, and it is all that we have, then the 1.44 million arrests a
year will be made producing 2.88 million homeless Americans each year.
Women and children constitute 60% of these homeless people, 1.7 million
Americans a year. Shutting down these shelters would be cruel. What
would these women and children do then? Go live under a bridge. No, we
are stuck with these shelters for a while. But there is one thing that
Congress needs to fix when they fund them again.
These shelters do not allow men on the property let alone inside the
residences. Why is it against the law to use federal money on
organizations that discriminate against black, Jews, gays or even women
but it is okay to do so against men? Men contributed half that tax
money. Eight years ago a man in California fled with his children after
the police warned him to get out after they had arrested the wife and
mother. None of the shelters would take him and the kids in because he
was a man. I wonder if this would survive a legal gender discrimination
challenge in a federal court?
A society without men is freakier than a world without blacks or
Jews. That is not to say blacks or Jews are any less worthy. It just
that there are more men in the world than blacks or Jews even if you
combined them. If these feminist had to deal with men on a regular
basis, then maybe the country would not be in the pickle we are in now.
There is a third reason to end this discrimination, something of a
more practical nature. Apparently, some women like to have sex with men.
But men are barred from the property. Suddenly, that 15 year boy two
doors down starts looking real good. It might even be fun breaking in
this new meat. So this woman driven into insolvency by the push for
domestic violence arrests now finds herself charged as a pedophile
because someone barred men from her world. With domestic violence
advocates as friends, who needs enemies.
This shelters came up with a novel approach to fixing the pedophile
problem. Male children over the age of thirteen are barred from staying
there. Too troublesome. The family broke up when the father was thrown
out of the house. Now a second break up is happening with the teenage
boys. Perhaps a relative has one bed available. Maybe the family of a
high school friend would take him in their home. If neither option works
then that is okay. He can move in with his father. Then they will both
be sleeping in the car down by the river.
Children of these parents also suffer. They used to have their own
bedroom in a safe town with good schools. First they have a shelter,
then Section 8 public housing. An urban school. Maybe good-maybe not.
Kids learn how to be tough in an urban environment. The kids might go
bad or they could come out just fine. But there will be no clunky car as
a teenager. There will be no saving fund for college. There will be no
monetary gift to use as a down payment for a starter home. This
tradition of the older generation giving the younger generation a
financial leg up has been ruin due to the older generation’s lack of
money. Financially, the older generation is merely treading water. It
will take generations after these present two generations to repair the
economic damage to these families.
So we are stuck with funding these shelters for a while. These women
and children have no place left to go. Some of you guys may think that
these feminist caused the problem and then created the solution. But
homeless shelters are not a solution. They are just barely a band aid.
The remaining money under VAWA goes to the United States Department
of Justice for the Office of Violence Against Women (OVW). As long as
OVW exists then the government is at war with men. As long as there is a
pogrom against men, then women and children are going to end up as
collateral damage. So there is no need for discussion about OVW going.
The only thing we need to figure out is which of the two ways we can use
to get rid of them-the easy way or the hard way.
And boys, do not try to burn down Washington’s Dept. of Justice
Building in an effort to get rid of the Office of Violence Against
Women. Their offices are over at N Street.
The easy way is using Congress. The VAWA comes up for funding every
five to seven years. Next time it comes up, Congress votes no and
everyone at the OVW gets a pink slip in late September. Nice and simple
except nothing is simple in Washington. We, the people out here in the
sticks, do not always know what the dynamics are in Washington. There
might be one method of getting Congress on course. Have Congress demand
that the Attorney General get, and release the arrests figures. Or have
the President order it. He is usually fearless after he makes up his
mind. And this is too large and too well known to continue the
Washington plausible deniable routine. Then they will know how much
trouble they are in because of these arrests.
There are 220 million adults 18 or older in this country of both
sexes. If my figure of 36 million is correct, then that is 16.4% of the
adults have been arrested. It could be as high as 55 million or 25%. It
might be as low as 22 million or 10%. Whatever the number there are two
things that Congress should know. First, is the fellow who discovered
the arrests in Minneapolis back in 1992 said do not use it because it
does not work. And second, the people arrested now constitute a Fifth
Column here in the United States. Our loyalty to Washington is gone. But
what did these genuises on the Potomac expect? They have harmed our
children. If they think Al Qaeda is a pain in the ass, wait to they see
what Americans can do once their fuse is lit.
I am certain the Attorney General will sit for months on the request
for the number of domestic violence arrests. Then he will explain that
they do not readily have the number and that some sort of Manhattan
Project effort will be needed in time and money. Nonsense. When
Washington started these arrests in 1984 over 6.3 personal computers
were sold here in the U.S. That figure does not include all the mini’s,
midi’s and mainframe computers sold that year. There is no way they can
pretend that this data does not exist in electronic storage. A request
to Ohio for the arrests 1984-2010 would tie up a state clerk for an
hour, including their 15 minute coffee break. Time for the truth boys
and girls. Because this is not going away.
The hard way is more time consuming, cost more money and is full of
headaches. Because the only way of removing a department from the
federal government without the consent of Congress is to take out the
entire federal government.
The first time I heard that, I said that is ridiculous. We cannot run
this country without a federal government. But we will replace the old
government with something new and improved. The new government would
honor the debts incurred by the old government. There are a lot of
useful reasons for starting with a clean slate.
The bipartisan debt commission released their recommendation for
cleaning up the $14 trillion we have borrowed over the years. Convention
wisdom has it that Congress has no stomach for any of the
recommendations.
But a new government could install those recommendation on day one.
Three years later, most Americans will not remember that anything is
different. The old government laid off its employees when it closed. The
new government is hiring. But instead of 65,000 employees at the Dept.
of Education, the new government is only hiring 45,000. Instead of an
average federal wage of $70,000 a year, the new average will be $52,000.
The new government will have to write a tax code. Everyone pays 15%
with no deductions. How many IRS employees could you get rid of if there
were no more deductions? Any thing is possible with a new government.
Normally over-throwing a elected government is considered treason.
Treason is punishable by death here in the United States. But there is
one way of over throwing the government. That is through the ballot box.
Then it is not treason but democracy. Allegedly, Washington is in favor
of democracy, particularly if their candidate wins.
There is no legal mechanism in the Constitution or the Federal code
of the United States for dissolving the government of the United States.
So that is what we need first. Congress would need to write it. We get
them to do it through the ballot initiative.
A ballot initiative is when enough registered voters sign a petition
to get a question on the ballot for the next election. The following
would be a sample of what the question would look like in New Hampshire.
That all elected representatives from the state of New Hampshire to
both houses of the United States Congress are to propose and advance a
bill that would set up a legal mechanism to dissolve the United States
government should the people decide to do so in a general election by a
simple majority.
If this initiative passes in all 50 states then Congress will be
stuck. They will have to write the law to dissolve. If they do not I
suspect within ten years they will be standing in a stairwell at the
British or French embassy with a suitcase in hand waiting to get to a
rooftop helicopter. I doubt if they will be thinking about the
humiliation of being thrown out of the country. They will be far too
busy worrying about what will happen if the mob gets their hands on
them.
Washington has not got a friend in the world. Even the British and
Israelis loath them now. Kind of a bad time to be losing domestic
support. And what they done over the last 25 years? They have wiped out
the middle class pandering to a special interest group of bigots. And in
typical Washington fashion, they did not even know they did it.
This Ivy League inbreeding in Washington has produced an elite that
knows what best. Everyone else-husbands, wives, police officers,
prosecutors, judges, attorney generals and guardian ad litems-are to
shut up and do what they are told. The rule of law is gone, replaced by
the policies, procedures and protocols of The Second Set of Books. Which
means the federal government will be going shortly. For the government
being unable to deliver the rule of law is like an auto mechanic who
claims he does not know how to change the engine oil. A certain minimum
competency is required. So it looks like the parents of the Washington
elite were right. One can be too smart for their own good.
Betty Friedan wrote that the feminist revolution, like any
revolution, would have its excesses. Losing the rule of law is too great
to call it a mere excess. It is a catastrophe. It is the heart, mind
and soul between the people and their government. These feelings of
betrayal by losing it may be permanent. I have 21 years of Army service
going back to the Vietnam War. My loyalty to the government should be a
given. It is gone. I am certain it will never return regardless of how
long I might have lived.
It was another woman that lead us in to this decision to clean house
inside the beltway. Something she taught us fifty years ago. You simply
look at those folks in Washington and then ask yourself the old Ann
Landers question, “Am I better off with them, or without them? Are my
children better off with them, or without them?” They are sinking like
stones.
Washington, DC was chose as the capital because it was the
geographical center or the old Colonies. Today, the geographical center
of the country is just west of St. Louis Missouri. The new government
can set the capital anywhere in the United States it wants. Imagine how
many rodents, insects and parasites they could lose by moving 1500 miles
west.
Whether you replace the federal government or not, men are still
going to need a legal defense center for men. Something like the NAACP
used to get black people their rights. The only checks and balances in
the Second Set of Books is the First Set of Books. Which means lawsuits.
Now I know you guys are broke. Some of you have had your wives and kids
thrown into homelessness. So I completely understand when you tell me
that you are broke. But if everyone who has been arrested throws in
$10.00 a year then the legal defense center will have a war chest of
$360 million. You can buy a whole bunch of lawsuit with that kind of
money.
The Ball family has been supplying sergeants to the Army since at
least the Revolutionary War. Elijah served as a sergeant in Cushing’s
Regiment at the Battle of Bennington. His commanding officer was a
general from NH with a name of John Stark. General Start was a clever
warrior. He was responsible for the bulk of the heavy casualties the
British suffer at their victory at Bunker Hill. His orderly, fighting
withdrawal allowed the other units on the hill to not only retreat but
collect their wounded on the way out.
General Stark would repeat this performance on three hill tops
outside the village of Bennington VT one hot August day in 1777. At the
end of the battle, the British lost over 900 men killed or captured. The
Colonists suffered 30 dead. Two months later, the depleted British army
would surrender at Saratoga. That victory at Saratoga would bring the
French into the war. John Stark was the most competent general this
country ever produced. For that reason alone his men loved him.
But as brilliant as he was on the battlefield, General Stark would
become even more famous for something he said. In 1809 the veterans of
Bennington decided to have one last reunion. A delegation called on the
General with his invitation. But the General was old and frail. He could
not attend. But he did send a message, “You tell the boys I said live
free or die. That death is not the worst of evil.” Since 1945 the State
of New Hampshire has stamped Live Free or Die on every pen, coffee mug,
license plate and highway sign that they have gotten their hands on.
I think the General and his sergeant would be please that his words
have elevated from the novelties and bric-a-brac to something more
dignified like a courthouse door. Neither of them would give a second
thought to the mess left over after the fire was extinguished. War has
always been a grim business. Civil wars are usually worse.
But they would be trouble by the new enemy. Oh, they understood when a
government betrays it people. They took up arms against the super power
of their day to get relief for their grievances. But the enemy we face
now is the government that these men birthed at places like Bennington,
Saratoga and Bunker Hill. Government is no different than the food in a
refrigerator. Given enough time both will go bad.
The smartest person I knew in this life was my mother. Perhaps that
is true of all of us. Maybe I just got lucky. She was a nurse by trade.
She worked in a time when Western medicine made that final transition
from butchery to science. But it would not be her nursing skills that
made her extraordinary. No, it would be this one incredible knack she
had that I had only modest success at mimicking in my life. If she had
something important to say to you, she would say and then never mention
it again. She would talk about it if you raised the issue. But she never
mentioned it twice on her own. And, oddly, you always heard her.
But she did have one favorite saying. I must have heard in a thousand
times in the eighteen years I lived under her roof. It always came at
the end of the conversation as she peeled away to see if it was time for
Perry Mason or Lawrence Welk. She would turn her head to the side, and
over her shoulder she would say, “And the only thing you really have in
this world is your family.” Now, thanks to the United States Government,
neither we nor our children have that.
. I have three things to say to my children. First, Daddy loves you.
Second, you are my three most favorite people in the world. And last,
that you are to stick together no matter how old you get or how far
apart you live. Because it is like Grandma always said. The only thing
you really have in this world is your family.
And this is the pre-story:
Keene Police were not giving out much info, but there is a dead body
out front of Cheshire Superior Court and a large amount of charring on
the sidewalk in front of the courthouse. Police scanner recordings
confirm this is a case of suicide by self-immolation. You can listen to
the Keene police scanner here.
Makes you wonder what the court did to the poor guy/gal. More details as we learn them:
UPDATE: Here’s the Sentinel’s piece with comments from a witness.
UPDATE: Here’s audio from the police scanner feed after the man sets himself ablaze.
This isn’t going to just wash away.
This morning, locals report that government workers were spraying and scrubbing in an attempt to remove the evidence of yesterday’s apparent self-immolation in front of the Cheshire superior court.
I stopped by early this morning to file some motions in another case
and talk to the Sheriffs about yesterday and took a picture of the
damage. Click the pic for a full size version.
It’s going to take more than a hose and brush to make this issue go
away. People need to know who this man was and why he made this horrific
choice.
More as it develops. Thus far, no return calls from Keene Police or Cheshire Sheriffs.
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The man is right.
Being ex-army it is a shame he didn't take some of the assholes with him but that wouldn't be martyrdom.
If you have never been in this situation do not pre-judge; you would not believe the way a Man, a Husband, a Father, can have his rights and dignity stripped for doing nothing wrong and end up paying to not see his children. We have reduced men to sperm donors and a paycheck.
The bigger picture is that this pits real men and Dads against the other men in the system who are either naive and don't realize how bad it is - along with the spineless jellyfish who go along with the corrupt system to get the cash, power, and make their women happy.
This means that there is a greater and greater incentive to be a spineless jellyfish and go after the money and power, and less and less of an incentive to be a Husband, Father, decent human being.
Is it any wonder we have so many men in Wall Street and Washington lusting after mammon and power? You need money and power to feed the hegemony of the vagina and and to pay attorneys and get favors. If you are a regular Joe will be grist for the mill of Sodom and Gomorrah.
I disagree.
A real man will do whatever it takes and take any shitty job available to support his children.
Again I ask. Is it more fair to "bully" the taxpayer into supporting his children?
So a man who has had all his rights as a Husband, a Father, and a Man taken away should work like a mule to feed a corrupt system?
You just don't get it - that is a broken meme.
Working and paying when you have been made a slave by a corrupt system is not being a Man it is supporting your own slavery.
The red herring is the "taxpayer" argument. The taxpayer is already toiling to feed the costs of the corrupt and bloated judicial circus that creates oppression and tyranny to maintain itself - not uphold the rule of law.
If men keep rolling over acting like livestock we will be treated as such.
Just because you are now winning the races and rollicking at the stud farm does not mean they won't send you to the glue factory next year.
WAKE UP.
I get the sense that your solution would be that a woman not be allowed to leave a marriage unless the guy gives her permission.
Or perhaps you believe that the male should always automatically receive custody in a divorce case?
Are you arguing that if a guy doesn't like what happens that he has the right to refuse to pay child support?
Yes.
No incentives for breaking up the family.
No money, 50/50 asset split, joint custody.
Just watch how many more couples work things out rather than running, like children, to mummy and daddy government.
So the male can prevent the woman from getting a divorce just because he is a male?
He automatically gets custody just because he is a male? What if he is a misfit and a danger to his children's mental health and well being? Are courts, however imperfect, not allowed to take that into consideration when custody cases are decided?
Ya wanna go back and actually read his response???
He said everyone gets treated without regard to gender! No more of this nonsense where the female gets first rights to the kids or first rights to the paycheck.
You don't sound like much of a shrink if you missed that whole point?
"He said everyone gets treated without regard to gender"
That's not 'PC' enough for the 'troll'.
I'm on a different side of this discussion.
I've got a fiancee who had three children when I met her- I've heard all the stories of what happened to end her marriage, and the behavior of her ex is written in the behavior of the kids. It's been slow and patient work patching up the damage the guy did to them.
That being said, the guy is now with a different woman, and they have another child. The kid has epilepsy, and is costing them a fortune (I assume) in medical bills. My fiancee and I discussed it, and we went to court to set the poor sob free from his child support- for good, and with no conditions.
Hey, we all make mistakes, and he needs to take care of his new family. I've got broad enough shoulders to help the others, and I'm the one they call "Dad" now anyway. As long as he plays nice, and does no further harm to the kids when they go to visit, he's a free man.
I guess the point is that it's not all on the courts and the lawyers. They are fuckwads, no doubt about it- but we can actually stand up and do the right thing, too. Too many people wanting the world simply for getting out of bed in the morning.
+1
Yep.
I'm so sick of listening to people whine about the consequences of their own stupid actions.
A 'real' man takes responsibility for his actions...
You obviously have not had your "man pedastal" jerked away from you yet.
Just wait until you do everything you are supposed to and take responsibility for all your choices and your pedastal is still jerked away and you are beaten over the head with it; then you may wake up.
You obviously have not had your "man pedastal" jerked away from you yet.
It's a women who makes that argument, no man talks that way.
And this is Exactly the Plan by the oligarchs, keep you motivated just enough to keep churning at the expense of a meaningful life,
you see Slavery wasn't abolished for it's inhumanity it was abolished because it was inefficient
most of us are modern day slaves, we are given just enough incentive to keep working but prevented from ever having enough to retire and live the happy/good life
and this event prooves how fine the line is between a life worth/not worth living
Expect to see more and more people cross that line
So you would abandon the obligation to support your children if it interfered with a meaningful life?
We are responsible for the choices we make, even the choice to copulate has potential responsibilities attached to it.
Even your name gives you away *troll, are you being paid to troll ZH ?
Now I really wish ZH implemented a IGNORE button, because that's where you're going
Oh I am wrong huh?
You asserted that you would refuse to pay child support if it interfered with a "meaningful life" for you.
Why don't you answer my question instead?
There are obligations in life. Children are one of them. It can't always be about you and your desire for a "meaningful life."
Yes - you're wrong. Here's my real world example. My ex (of 11 years now) "thought" the state would look out for her and make it so her standard of living was not reduced if she divorced me (no abuse/no cheating - she just wanted out and thought she could make me pay). 3 kids - at the time 2,4,6.
She was not working - so our 2x median income was now being split between her household and mine. Very quickly she becomes bitter because her standard of living is no where near what it use to be - and gives me no end of shit for the next 11 years (still going on).
Now I make 3x median income - my standard of living is back to what it was before the divorce - only because my oldest would rather live with me. Bottom line - everyone loses in this system, except for those in the Divorce industry (not even talking about the DV industry)
If my ex didn't think that she could maintain her standard of living by making the state make me pay - then she might have had some incentive to work it out.
An example of her (state supported) shit - she makes the state garnish my wages - but it's my (small) company - so I have to write her a company check and send it to family services instead of just giving her a check. I get paid every other week, child support is awared on a monthly basis - so every 13 weeks, I get close to going in arrears. It happend once, a bench warrent was issued - and I spent 8 hours at the court house clearing it up. I met all of my obligations, all payments were made at least a week early - and a bench warrent was still issued because of the system.
And you've been lucky if that's all you've been through.
The woman are all fooled in my opinion. They think they can collect a check and make untrue accusations w/o consequences. But it always turns out bad for them, even if it takes 20 years. The checks stop, kids grow up and learn the truth - Mom is a rat, etc. Nothing good comes of divorce. Nothing.
Women have been sold on the idea that they are the 'oppressed minority' and the 'better half' of any relationship so they deserve 'better' but some are just vindictive cunts that will fuck you over no matter how much love and affection you give them, 1 advice keep the leasch short and don't be afraid to cut it
++1
Eve...fooled by the serpent. Our job as men is to follow the God's law, and obey, unlike Adam who listened to Eve.
Disclipine your children - spanking, etc, - because God requires it. Do not let those fear mongers and "know-it-alls" screaming hysteria change you. You are the guardian of your children, not them.
Wrong- there are lots of different situations.
I was married once, and my ex-wife was a manipulative psychopath. She was one of those people who get away with pathological lies for a long time because they actually believe them, and she fooled me for several years.
Even so, I did not think she would make a good mother, and so we had no children. I tried to make it work for almost seven years, and then left her. No kids, no alimony, and I kept the home I had paid for. I made the case to her, not the judge. I showed her that the lying game was up, and gave her the option to keep it private.
Now I have a family that is worth having, and it more than paid for the temporary pain of the divorce.
this is exactly what they do.
All along in my situation, the enablers just kept enabling. They all knew what I did, and had more firsthand knowledge, yet NOBODY stepped up to do the right thing at any point.
Women believe they are entitled to all your shit and that they will get your paycheck and you will be a slave; that is what they WANT. Revenge.
As far as the accusations, this is exactly how it works. Accusations of child sexual and physical abuse are so commonplace now that they are referred to as "obligatory" by anyone with any knowledge or role in this industry
I admire guys like you who support their children even when it is difficult.
The problem is that I think we're in the majority. My ex still enjoys calling me a deadbeat dad - even though I've never missed a payment - even though child support is suppose to cover all of the stuff I end up paying for again anyway (90% of the clothes - my kids ask me to bring food over when their mom "runs out") - yet to all of her family, friends, aquaintences - I'm the deadbeat dad who doesn't support his family.
If I did 10% of the stuff she does - I would be in jail - but my lawyers (I've been through a bunch) say "sorry - nothing we can do".
I can't discipline my kids for fear of ending up like this guy. And then my ex gives me shit for being the "good time dad" - right before she starts calling me a deadbeat again.
There is no winning - only counting the days until it ends. For me it ends in 5 years.
You are being oppressed. There will no "winning" with them, no matter how faithful you are. Been there, done that.
Be aware that the courts award a "going away" present to the women when your children reach the age of majority. They will declare an arreage of unpaid "created obligations" and keep you in debt slavery for more years to come. Count on it.
TCT I wrote a long responce about my family situation and why you are full of shit in my opinion, but then decided it was better to not throw all of that out on the internet.
if you honestly beleive what you are typing, you are beyond deluded.
Yeah, I bet you do, you fucking loser. You've done nothing but stand up for the system that rapes men of their earnings strictly because some female charges them with leaving them!
Most men will take care of their offspring but feel no need to take care of another adult who also can make choices in life.
Most men will actually take custody of their children but so called experts like you only see this as a ploy to stop paying off the fucking wenches that birthed these kids. Why don't men have the same standing in your world??? Are they incapable of raising them or what is your problem (as evidenced by your previous comments)???
Yeah, I bet you do, you fucking loser. You've done nothing but stand up for the system that rapes men of their earnings strictly because some female charges them with leaving them!
Most men will take care of their offspring but feel no need to take care of another adult who also can make choices in life.
Most men will actually take custody of their children but so called experts like you only see this as a ploy to stop paying off the fucking wenches that birthed these kids. Why don't men have the same standing in your world??? Are they incapable of raising them or what is your problem (as evidenced by your previous comments)???
"child support" is a joke...
It doesn't fulfill the obligations of a parent. A parent is not a check
He missed another reason for aggressively pursuing domestic violence arrests - the person is forbidden to keep firearms - so it is a back door form of gun control.
Possibly this is why pot is still illegal, despite its popularity; drug offenders barred from firearms also.
exactly, it doesn't even require a conviction. if you are ARESSTED for DV or suspicion there of you may no longer purchase or keep firearms.
Would it make you all feel better of it had been a black guy stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family? The story is about the perversion of the judicial system and your rights. What kind of fucking morons are you people?
I have been thinking about CD's article and asking myself what is ZH and where is it going. Turns out, it is turning into just another herd that gets to wear logo'd hats, tee shirts and drinks coffee out of logo'd mugs. It is the process of identification with a group that acts like a cancer on everything it touches and ZH is not immune. It is its motto..
He says requiring him to pay child support is "bullying."
Is it more fair to require the taxpayer to support his children?
I see these people and their children all the time in the day I do medicaid clinic at a public mental health center. The courts know these guys are often so angry they would rather not work than have their wages garnished to support their children. This is why there is no excuse allowed and they are put in jail at the discretion of the prosecutor and judge.
A real man will take any job available to support his children. He will suck it up and go to work. To do that consistently requires more bravery and courage than any soldier has ever shown on the battlefield. Some men are not real men and refuse to do work that is beneath them, even to support their children. Karma dictates we all have the fate we deserve.
are you some kind of a douche? Paying the EX a check is NOT "supporting the children" and it isn't being a parent.
Your pathetic trolling argument is repugnant
Nah.
You obviously have never met a guy that has been fucked in one of these situations.
I know at least a half dozen who had the same scenario play out- they worked manufacturing jobs as machinists or welders for years to send their wives to school for nursing, and as soon as the woman graduated, she left them and filed for divorce, claiming child support and alimony based on the fact that she had 0 income as a student.
So, the woman is now earning more money than the man as a RPN, has taken away the kids, and is collecting as much as 50% of what the guy makes as well. Some of these women just just the money from child support to fund their partying.
Never been there, myself, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to pay in that situation either. Most of these guys are decent, hard-working types who obviously care about their kids.
Brilliantly stated, Spanish Inquisition.
You read my mind, sir.
Of course, the real irony here is that New Hampshire is actually the most 'free' state in the Union:
http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011
Very interesting that so many comments here are judging this person who they did not know .....
Ain't nobody commenting here perfect or innocent of fuckery. Not one. Lighting oneself on fire with gasoline is simply more evidence that society is not civilized and it is not.
He is very correct about the second set of books. Irrelevant of blame. Pretty sick story to come out.
Father's Day is a bullshit holidy. Just like Mother's Day....Labor Day....Valentine's Day....Flag Day....Memorial Day....Christmas Day - Great for marketing and "sales" and that is about it - oh, and restaurants.
You might enjoy reading Civilization and Its Discontents by Freud. It was one of the earliest works that discusses the limits of civilization and that some people cannot compromise enough to reside peacefully within it. Later speculators have said it is the dopamine gene, the variations that mostly seem to underlie some forms of "mental illness" particularly the acting out variety where people do crazy impulsive things. This gene variation may have been quite successful in a nomadic lifestyle, but they are probably the cause of much trouble in a more constricting and fixed, non-varying style of living, civilization.
You are playing the B-Side of the 45 on 33 and the record is scratched.
LOL
Right on dude, what we need more of right now is compromising with our current system of governance, it's the only way we've gotten this far after all.
What happens when we get so much "civilization" that most people cannot cope? We need less, more rational civilization.
Wait. On second thought lets just test for that nasty 'dopamine gene' and send the possessors of it to prison camps. As Freud might say, "For Duty and Humanity".
Don't knock gratin dauphinois...
Right on with the hollidays.
We don't acknowledge the damn things in our household. Just four a year- May day for spring, Fourth of July, Thanksgiving and Christmas. Even those are mainly just for the kids' sakes- except for the 4th, that one is mine.
I read the whole story. This guy is an idiot and and coward. He has made no statement by commiting suicide.
If he is a coward what does that make our society for crushing families, taking Fathers away from their children, and feeding a corrupt bureaucracy of sycophants, equivocators, and egomaniacs?
In a divorce someone gets primary custody. Are you suggesting that women not be allowed to leave unless the guy gives her permission? People have to compromise regarding children.
These cases are often ugly, but many family courts are doing the best they can with these decisions regarding who gets custody. I wouldn't give custody to this type of guy either. Imagine what he might do to "discipline" the children if no one else were around? I have seen some horrific cases of child abuse and they all think they are doing what's best to help discipline the kids.
Joint custody, 50/50 asset split, no child support or alimony.
We have incentiviced divorce.
It doesn't seem to work in practice, the forced rather than voluntary joint custody arrangement.
It seems to cause further parental conflict and child neurosis. I get lots of these cases in on my medicaid day. Poor kid needs medications because she is constantly shuffled back and forth between two households. She needs one school to attend, not two. She also needs a father who can keep a job and not be abusive to her. Sometimes joint custody is terrible for the children. This appears to be one of those times.
The whole idea of "primary custody" is designed to make Mom and Dad fight.
Now you think about that, because God made MAN the primary custodian. There is no decision to make.
You are a fucking idiot if you believe ANY of this shit.
WTF is wrong with people like you? You make the kids into a chip for women to win to get back at their ex.
Your data is wrong, your premises are wrong, everything about you is wrong.
"dad told me to respect my mother, mom told me to play him for all he was worth."
is about how it looks to me..
I'm not defending the guys initial actions in any way. He may be an idiot and a coward though I can't say because I never met him.
You have to realize this is not about child abuse - it's about an out of control "justice" system. I was once attacked by a woman who lived in the same group of apartments because I complained to management bout her barking bog - note pets were not allowed in the apartments. I only defended myself by pushing her away. She called the cops and the shit hit the fan. I was looking at losing my livelihood and jail time. I had a great lawyer but he told me I was hosed as it was her word against mine and no one would believe a 5'6" 135 lb. young "lady" would attack a 6'2" 215 lb. man. I only got off because she attacked me again without provocation and the whole incident was witnessed by a retired couple across the street.
If you think justice is served in the courts you're the idiot.
+++++ Exactly.
Women are arguably more prone to domestic violence than men are. That's what the country-by-country stats on domestic violence suggest. I'm talking about a global phenomenon, not some isolated pocket of abnormally violent women.
this isn't some isolated pocket of abnormaly violent women, this is nation wide, and they know how to use the system to get what they want. DV stats are completely misleading. women are just as violent as men, but the man is the one who will be arrested, hands down.
good, trusting, sane women may be more prone to abuse, but have you looked at the nation lately? morality isn't in the cards man... once they realise they can play the system for financial gain or vindictive purposes, it's a completely different game.
you can't talk about gender issues globally, because an impoverished war torn african countries politics and stats are completely different than that of a liberal developed nation.. in the "first world" the law is on the side of women, whether it's just or not.
the law should not be skewed in the favor of any group. women deserve the same rights as men, and justice, but that is not what we have in america.
You're wrong.
Women are far more violent than men. Guys argue, sure- and sometime it even ends with a punch in the nose. In that case, it often ultimately results in a cold beer and some more discussion. On a good day, maybe a trip to the tittie bar.
My ex and my mother once got in a spat over going to the f'in craft store. After five years, they still hated one another. When I finally filed for divorce, my mother told me she wished my ex would die.
I feel sorry for my two daughters.
My back of the napkin calculation clearly shows cowards using guns, while those who write:
"... without something changing, your kids will have double the odds of it happening to them."
prior to setting themselves on fire, well ... they deserve another name.
My parents "spanked my ass" a time or two.
And I love them and thank them for doing so. They taught me the principals that guide me today. And which make me happy, today. My mom and dad are some of my best friends and still are a point of reference when I need advice as I'm approaching 50.
They loved me enough to "get my attention" thru "short term discomfort" and to talk with me afterwards and teach me why what I did was irresponsible or unacceptable to our standards of behavior.
To "wish someone dead" for a bad decision of such a small magnitude, as a slap, is an amazing statement.
I hope you all hold yourselves to such high standards.
The remarkable lack of compassion for other humans is as rampant on ZH as anywhere else.
There is a difference between limited and appropriate spanking and splitting a four year old's lip because you didn't understand she thought it was a game at first.
Indeed spanking and a slap are different, sir.
It's a mistake.
But to praise the death of a man over a slap?
Brotherly love for all men? Not exactly.
Crucify Him !!!!!
It was more than just the slap.
By his own admission, he 'failed to lift a finger' to preserve his marriage over the ensuing six month period.
Again, 'real' men care enough about their children (and hopefully their wives too) to at least attempt to live in harmony with them.
Jerk.
Once his Wife picked up the phone instead of sitting down with him to discuss it as Parents he knew her judgement was compromised.
She betrayed him and their kids by calling in the system rather than dealing with it as a couple who made vows to each other.
A mountain was made of a mole hill, a marriage and a family destroyed, and ultimately a Father is gone from this world out of despair.
The natural family is being destroyed for the sake of the collective.
I have seen these guys before. This wasn't the first time he abused a child or his wife. I guarantee it.
Most of the time the wife has made several attempts to solve the issue. Then there is the final straw that broke the camel's back. She could not handle the burden much longer.
He focuses on that once incident where she picked up the phone, that one piece of straw. He ignores that huge bale of straw heaped on the camel before the last incident
"I have seen these guys before. This wasn't the first time he abused a child or his wife. I guarantee it."
You have? ALL child abusers are the same, no differences, no outliers? When did you see him abuse a child or a spouse previously? Or, is this an intellectual form of SLANDER, against a man who is no longer here to defend himself?
"Most of the time the wife has made several attempts to solve the issue. Then there is the final straw that broke the camel's back. She could not handle the burden much longer."
Most of the time, this time, how can you say this? Again, no significant outliers, no variance, no variables, most miserable low-down men are violent animals? And all wives are blameless saints, set upon by their mentally ill husbands?
"He focuses on that once incident where she picked up the phone, that one piece of straw. He ignores that huge bale of straw heaped on the camel before the last incident."
Again, what was his case number in your files? Did you know him, treat him, work in his town? It's a good thing he's dead for YOUR sake, otherwise I think he could sue your ass. Given that the same judicial system he's railing against would probably acquit a "certified mental health professional", though, maybe he wouldn't bother - so you could feel free to go out and SLANDER other "child abusers".
"Child abuse" and "domestic violence" are the "child molester" charge of the 2000's: no exact definition exists, no proof is necessary, and the charged are guilty without possibility of innocence. My kid runs and falls down, busts a lip; I turn around and run into my kid, knock them down accidentally and they bust their lip. Same result either way; but the ER nurse HAS to refer to a social worker, the social worker has to call police, and the police have to arrest and the prosecutor prosecute, NO TOLERANCE.
We will run out of tolerance for INJUSTICE, eventually, when it gets bad enough. And just maybe, we'll run out of out tolerance for RAILROADING when we do.
I have seen so many of these cases I am confident the odds favor my scenario.
We need to consider we have heard a very one sided version of events that probably minimizes his contribution to the problems.
I love how you are labeled racist and pushed out of society (rightfully or not) for blasting Jews or blacks or [insert your favorite group here] but if you hold a fucking degree in motherfucking psychology or sociology and/or are a government (endorsed) worker you need only a few sentences about a person to label them as the "I have seen and know those types" bad-asses and society and the system will cheer you for labeling them insane, raping their asses and fucking them over beyond belief ;)
Those people scare me too.
If we had all the facts of the case, not just what is written in court records, then I would bet I came very close. However each case deserves an independent evaluation before abjudication.
You are a complete piece of shit. Your biases are insane
All enemies of the state must be shot.
Do svidaniya, komrade!
Most American women view the government as a substitute husband or surrogate rich uncle.
Until their perception changes, as a nation we are doomed.
~Misstrial
This is the type of person who might have done a murder suicide. It is the same type of rationalizations and projection of blame.
Thank god it was only him.
god willing you'd be caught up. Motherfucking enablers like you need to drop dead
@troll
Hmm....character assassination of the dead. What "might" a person who would do that be planning? It might be best for all, if a team were sent to take a look.
He clearly has "edge" - the man chose to live by his own consequences and take his own life. So did he make a mistake with his daughter when she pushed him in a game and he meted out the consequence, obviously.
But there is all manner of depravity in parenting these days
- mothers screaming at their kids like cattle
- mothers swearing up a storm and carrying on, when women lose their modesty ...we see the loss of humanity
- parents who really don't give two hoots about their kids
We are a violent society. We are raining down bombs on civilians around the world at every moment, "meting out consequenes" and lying to ourselves to justify it. Main point: We are no better, yet are most people here on ZH constantly stating and speaking out about our state violence - probably not! We are a party to that.
Thus, we all need a does of humility and perspective before suggesting his story is "way out there" and we aren't complicit in our own crimes.
ah, i now see that you were there when the slapping incident occurred, making all of your previous comments along the same meme make sense. your black/white/either/or position belies your chosen vocation, where i'm sure no shades of gray or indecision may put a dent into the construct of the world according to topcallingtroll. good luck with that.
+1
As far as his critique of some parts of our system, his words mean more than many blow hards in the media, many of whom do it for a pay check or personal gain.
This guy managaed to get me believing that the "Second Set of Books" could be as elusive as the missing golden tablets from 'Mormondom'
Wheeeeee!
My first junk.....Long time coming I'm sure.
Come forth Joseph Smith....and bring your fragility out into the open.
Violence in all form's suck's.If this man's contention is indeed true,why can't the 'system' deal with it in a 'lawful' way? Why must it employ protocal and procedure instead ?
Can you explain to me why it is less "bullying" to force him to pay child support than to force the taxpayer to pay it?
These types are often so angry at the spouse they take it out on the children by not paying support. They will refuse to work and get passive-aggressive " I am really trying your honor" when in fact they aren't trying very hard to support their children. They often need a few months in jail to make the point the court is serious in the demand that he support the children he helped create.
If a father truly loves his children he will support them at all costs even if he is angry at the ex wife.
Who's to say what 'support' is? Who's definition? You hold a man to be 'responsable', yet take away his right to raise his child as he see's fit-again,violence notwithstanding,do you not see the confusion this may create? who are you to impose your value's as to how a child should be raised? "These type's" ? where have I heard that before? Anyway,in your mind if it is such an easy answer,surely it can be codified into law,not relying on some subjective "procedure" to further your objective,no?
It is codified into law.
Pay your child support or go to jail.
I and many others are sick and tired of all the goddamn welfare babies.
men don't have kids alone, you fuckin idiot.
Child support guidelines are bullshit.
throw the guy in jail and make everything pile up on him and then you expect
a guy like that to suddenly snaap to and toe the line.
I would like to see your stats on how often that happens.
seems to be like you want to force the guy to love them so much he will
do anything to support them.
SInce you say the guy is sick is it "fair" to force a sick guy to support
the family. Seems if the state sees he is sick then with your great caring
for society it would be your duty to support his family until you cure him.
you and yours are jokes and laughingstocks.
the first place to cut costs would be to outlaw you fakers.
why is the rate of mental illness not coming down with all you clowns
and your drug pushing?
word - just another moocher talking their book (justifying their vocation).
word - tct talking their book.
http://www.volunteertv.com/national/headlines/Mom_pleads_guilty_to_spanking_own_child_124072014.html
spanking in Texas = arrest, felony, lose custody, 5 years probation, $50 to Child Advocacy Center.
too many effin do-gooder moochers in the matrix.
The threat of jail time keeps many fathers paying child support.
Unfortunately there will be the occasional casualty.
where the fuck are piece of shit enablers like you on my case?
My ex wife owes me $12,000 in back support and has paid once in the last motherfucking 2 years.
FUCK YOU.
Women should not "get the kids" and sign the man up as a fuckin wage slave on account of shitheads like you.
Just drop the fuck dead already, asshole.
From Jim Quinn At The Burning Platform
"The Burning Platform"... I shouldn't laugh at this
This guy made many good points about the legal system, just one being that the mental health profession is far too involved and influential in making what should be legal decisions. Take the area of alleged child sexual abuse by parents, with parents sometimes being charged and sometimes convicted years later on the basis of highly questionalble and unreliable "evidence" like childhood memories. And he is basically right that the constitution and the legal system are largely farces, just look at supreme court decisions. Too bad he didnt take out with him the highest person in the system he has differences with.... that would be a type of voting that might get some attention and "real" change. A central banker ...
The man was correct in his analysis of the current legal system, but since we are all a product of our society, we tend to judge people by the now current values and mores. That is why there are so many negative posts about him.
We tend to forget that what we currently have as a value system, is a great departure from what has been standard for 99% of human history, and of course, as is normal, we tend to always believe that our new moraltiy is "light years better" than any that has come before. I tend to believe otherwise, based upon historical evidence of the rise and fall of societies. Based upon history, I believe that our current society is in it's twilight years, and is declining fast.
We need to understand that our current system is failing, and thus our culture is collapsing, due to errors in our current moral and values system.
Our current belief that the females of the species are totally sinless and should be held completly blameless no matter what their actions are, is a complete departure from the norm and needs to be re-evaluated.
And, our current legal system has completly departed from it's roots, and is now almost totally run in violation of the Constitution and other documents that are supposed to be the basis of our laws.
So, hate the man because his actions were over the top, completely out of reason for the action he was trying to correct. But understand, the system that ground him up for a relatively minor error of judgement, has also destroyed millions of families and wasted trillions of dollars of money that should have been used to care for our families, build businesses, and help our countries economy.
Mabuhay1
great comment
Insightful, Mabuhay.
+1
+++
thanks man.
+1 The system is insane.
It goes without saying that it's wrong to slap a child and make them bleed. But, the underlying message is being conveniently ignored for fear of the demagogy of DV and the appearence of defending this one example.
This one example shows yet another way government fucks up when they get involved. Couples will either seek help, healing and reconciliation, or they will seek to part ways through dissolution. On their own, w/o big bro's big-hearted and, surely, good-intentioned help..
I get the feeling that the reactions here against the guy represent the 'pioneer' and somewhat 'puritan' attitude/ethic, knee jerk reaction towards guys who can't take the heat and are 'emotional' losers, feeling sorry for themselves. This is basic 'off the cuff' reaction if you like of those who associate themselves with USA's red meat eating and John Wayne image IMO : Pity that people don't ALL act like JW.
As the economic pain will increase we will see more and more deviation from this social 'norm' which has been inculcated by MSM/movie culture into the popular mindset. For non Americans this is a paradox. As Eureka posted above, he thinks the US individualist image is a myth. Testing times ahead to test the pros and cons of this premise.
I hope that this guy who blew it, lost it, will get more consideration for his desperate act. And not be judged so summarily.
The Individual is dead (except for tax purposes). Long live the Individual..
Please explain which Puritan doctrine you reference in your observation of the "attitude" and "ethic" at play here. I have an extensive library of Puritan theologians and am eager to research this new line of inquiry.
Niles Standish? John Brown?
A puritan is a man who shoots first 'cos he thinks his wife 'did it' and then questions the body afterwards...to soothe his conscience.
At least he didn't shoot his wife and kids first like some do. Now they will just have to suffer endless corporate rape in a country that is sliding down hill fast.
This guy got out easy.
I don't think burning yourself to death is normally classed as "getting out easy".
If this happened in Iran or Syria, whole political context would be brought up, man made a martyr for freedom and democracy and Weiner would lose his place as "Top story". We would be thouroughly brainwashed night and day how this is important and how desperately regime needs to change.
But since it happened in US I had to search for this case in order to get more details.
25 years ago, Child Support was not the law it is today. People did not go to prison over this.
Child Support is a fallacy created by the debt slavery system. You are only financially responsible for the ones living in your household. If your spouse removes the children and leaves - you are no longer financially responsible for them.
This is in the Bible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFGoGmnAC44
The lie of Child Support will be expunged from this system of debt slavery when the system falls - because it does not work. It destroys relationships and families. Anyone who thinks it makes things "better" or "fairer" is wrong. It is a monster that kills. It is a complete waste of taxpayer money - the State Government enforces this because they get 50 cents on the dollar reimbursement from the Federal Government for every dollar they collect. It is a sick, twisted, and corrupt system of lawyers, judges and their cronies - not for the children as they claim...but to support tens of thousands of court workers.
The bible is not the law of the land, thankfully.
And women are not forced to stay with abusive men, just because they would live in penury if they left.
God's law is the ultimate law of any land.
Did you know the US Constitution was based on God's natural law?
And women are not forced to stay with abusive men, just because they would live in penury if they left.
Oh stop. What nonsense. Boo Hoo phony victims!
which god do you speak of?
If you have to ask, then my answer would be lost on you.
I suppose your posts are poorly translated into TopTroll's native Russian or Yiddish or whatever they speak back at Minitru.
Didn't you hear about the great emancipation? Women can work now. If they want sole custody of all the kids, then they can work and pay for them.
As one that has been F**ked by this system myself, I can attest to the truth of your post.
It's not just Child support, but alimony in states that have "no fault" divorce laws.
I was ordered to pay both child support and alimony to a cheating wife that was twice my current income. I tried to do the right thing, and the judge could care less. I spent close to $100,000 supporting my ex and child during my separation period. She did nothing about trying to support herself. I went into massive debt as a result.
I thought being honourable was a virtue.
I feel for you.
I promise you the system is ending. Victory is in sight. It falls with the debt slavery cartel and the bankrupt governments. It is important, as a Christian to continue to love those who abused you (indeed they pretended to be victims while making you their victim) - but at the same time not give into the hatred and violence that appears to be coming to America. Do not seek revenge - let God punish them as he chooses.
I know of nobody whose story diverges from this. The system is utterly fucked.
No fault, just pay pay pay. You are a fucking ATM for a bitch by virtue of being dumb enough to marry her and have kids.
Does the court care if she spends the money on the kids? I was paying $6000 a month to a cunt who didn't even equip her apartment with furniture; did the court exercise OVERSIGHT at all on whether the money was supporting my kids or her drug habit? NO.
Pieces of shit like topcaller are leeches at every level of this system, all enablers, all just "following the rules" and making shit up.
being honorable and fulfilling your commitments is a virtue, but this system is not virtuos, do not blame yourself for the sins of others.
JLee - Agreed.
"live free or die" a slogan of a past era when men were men and boys were boys. The second set of books Mr. Ball evidently is talking about is "administrative law", proceedures, rules, regulations, etc. made arbitrarily by administrators and administrative bodies that are the producers of "man made law" over "rule of law". These laws answer to no one but them and their arbitrary whims.
Administrative courts; our courts of today are not courts of the people; or for the people. These courts rule over man made laws; laws of mammon. One will not find a copy of the constitution in any of these courtrooms because they do not practice "rule of law" constitutional law. A special court does that. There are no commonlaw courts, which is desparately needed if we are to practice the "rule of law".
Mr. Ball's beef is with our administrative system with its administrative courts that practice man made jurisprudence and calls this Justice. Unfortunately, unlike Divine law; God's laws, that is Justice balanced with Mercy, administrative law is Justice & Punishment. Administrative law is punitive in that if you violate it there is no mercy; only punishment.
So the courts are no friend to the people. In this sense, I can agree with Mr. Ball in his sentiment that the courts and the police stations that support them should be burned down. But instead of all the injustice served out by the court system/prison system we continue to live in denial of what is going on right in front of us. All of us have family and friends; and ourselves, that have horror stories to tell of this corrupt system of man made law. Divine law is far better than what we have created for ourselves in this sick administrative law system. The slogan for this system is "live like a slave or rot in jail" Some people may have an issue on Mr. Ball's original sin, but his treatment by this corrupt system that caused him to take his life is not justified; nor can one call this Justice. But it is the law we live under. So Mr. Ball had a choice: "live free or die" or "live like a slave or rot in jail". Mr. Ball chose the former. What is our choice? Mr. Ball advocates burning down the system and leaves us with our own choice. At least he won't live as a slave...
It only continues to get worse. All of this procedure and regulation takes up the time that was freed from the easy life that oil gave us. In order to control the masses, burden them so heavy with regulation... no one will have time to think, create or do anything productive or destructive.... and there is the rub... prevent any destructive tendencies excess time gives us... by taking away all excess time.
Only one question: What would any sound mother do if her husband slapped a toddler so hard they would up with a cut lip?
Running to the police and the courts is not the answer. They are a farce and true evil in motion. Instead you could try patience and love to retrain your husband in the correct way.
So that's your choice. Destory your marriage, relationship with your husband, make your child fatherless and live off a corrupt and rotten system.
Or you could try endless patience and love - submission to God through prayer - because that eventually will work.
How many slaps would the child be willing to accept to get her daddy back?
Try reading past the first paragraph and find the point of this story cause the one you are making has nothing to do with it.
She would first call her brother... and then she would call her husbands brother...Sorted.
I am so glad I live in the 'third world'.
The destruction of the American family and societal cohesion is not coincidental.
It is planned.
It's a well-thought-out process that stretches over a timespan of 40 years.
Feminism in the U.S. was created as a lifestyle by the Rockefeller family and their Rockefellers Brothers Fund, who financed all the ads, the pundits and talking heads, the politicians and lawmakers who would intrduce these provisions in the policies.
Don't forget, they are the heirs of Standard Oil, they in part own the Federal Reserve, they have all the money they want.
Nick Rockefeller told all this to Aaron Russo back in 2000, when he would also reveal to him that there would be an event in 11 months, whereafter they would invade Afghanistan, Iraq and ultimately Venezuela.
The OVAW is probably also financed by the Rockefellers or was put into place by puppet legislators.
All these feminist organizations which pooped up like mushrooms.
Have you never asked yourself who finances all this, where the money would come from ?
They think in decades, they plan in generations.
if you own the printing press, you can.
The reason why they financed the Feminist movement is, so they would be able to tax the other half of the population which they before couldn't.
And with the other effect of softening down men, there would be less violent resistence to their Federal Reserve Ponzi scheme.
Turning men into pussies who wouldn't pick a fight is the precondition for creating a police state.
The 3rd reason is by destoying family, they make people regard the state as their family, they ultimaltely turn people into state serfs, unable to conceive a life without the state.
Listen to this, starting at 09:05.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA
WOW, so many conspiracies all tied together.
I will agree with the communist conspiracy regarding families etc. but I can't accept the Fed as part of this.
I also, have a hard time with 40 year plans.
Unless, you what to talk about an Islamic Caliphate.
I also, have a hard time with 40 year plans.
That's why you are going to lose. I've got no problem with them at all. Had a good one, myself, but these other fuckers had a head start and threw a monkey wrench in. Worked like a charm for over fifteen years of it, though.
40 years is nothing to them. These families have been at it since they were the bankers to the Vatican, if not before. They own the banks that are the Fed. They control the corporations exporting USA jobs. They lobby for war, then loan to both sides in many wars and direct the arms purchases to their corporations. They have (apparently) decided this country needs to collapse, to improve their control, and no, it is not a conspiracy, just their policy.
The Soviet State encouraged children to 'spy' and 'incriminate' their own parents for 'politically incorrect' views,
this is no different the reasons are different(like a slap on the face) but the effect is the same the parent(s) come under constant State surveillance and get into financial problems and they get psychologically devastated, the family gets destroyed (fully on purpose) and the people can't fight back, even if the child/wife sais 'There was no abuse' the State can still prosecute to the full extent of the 'law' any1 who ever gets a complaint filed against him
You effectively become a Marked Man, it's exactly like in the Kafka's 'Process' you can never go back to normal life
This not a James Bond movie. It's just not realistic that 40 years of "secret planning" accomplished all this.
So, we either choose to believe our Dear Leaders just make mistakes, or that their actions are by design to destroy the sovereignty of the United States. Even if its just serially incompetentcy, the will to resist is weaker by the day. That is what is desired; the total control of populations. Why couldn't this have been discussed long ago?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Report_from_Iron_Mountain
I don't what that is supposed to prove and my eyes glazed over reading it. Sorry!
Prove? Why should it prove anything? Maybe it's a tough concept that others think differently and plan for the much longer term. Generational thoughts, not, "I can't wait to retire."
I wouldn't normally give anyone who commits violence against his kin the time of day, but as a man, I have to sympathize with his experiences.
He really could have used a proof-reader for his final message, however what he left was an amazing insight into government bureaucracy and the power of lobbyists. His explanation of policies, procedures and protocols make chilling reading. He should have written a book and campaigned about it instead of killing himself and inciting others. RIP.
I doubt this story and his message will see the light of day in the US. It'll be closed as just another nut with mental problems until it is hijacked by a politician to further his/her own agenda.
Kind of hard to trust a proofreader, when you have chosen suicide, and your essay leads with it!
:) True, but I was thinking of a censored version that excludes suicide and incitement to terrorism. I dare say his experiences would have made a good non fiction book, but I don't think this guy had any friends he could go for support. Very sad.
Well he's dead, there's that. But I'm always a little superstitious when someone sets themself on fire.
Of course it's the US so it doesn't matter a lick. It has already been forgotten and filed under funny facts for June 17th 2011 when someone invites the conversation to discuss self immolation.
He however is 80% correct in stating how the system runs contra to men in terms of divorce proceedings. Watched way too many of my friends over the years get hammered by complete nonsense in the court systems. Most learn quickly though that it's better to just write off the family completely, keep writting a check monthly and start over. No point in throwing resources and energy down a legal hole. Sad thing is you can discuss this with a man that is divorced and removed from the situation and yet they want to keep fighting it. Two that I know of are dead, my long time childhood friend drank himself to death and the other Mike emptied two shotgun shells from a sawed off into his mouth. The rest just take off and drop off the map.
it's sad enough as a guy getting older, male friends seem to drop dead faster than women and our herd thins considerably after the age of 50. It's a shame he made the concious decision to set himself on fire, that shit just creeps me out. If he blew his head off it would be one thing, but he made to decision to die in one fo the most painful ways possible other than being eaten alive. It's like that whole act has the ability to call on the darkest end of of human instinct to kill, burn and maim as a herd.
Well, off for a walk and un-think about this.
Now that's a fire.....
As one who has studied this issue for more than 2 decades, I can assure you that everything this man says about the system is true and more. He didn't mention the pedophiles of the CPS making your children 10 times more likely to be molested in foster care than not.
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Pretty ingenious to dismiss the article b/c dude slapped his daughter (clearly wrong). Anyone who has ever seen the effects of domestic violence, divorce, and the court system on families and kids can relate to this guy's struggle. Put yourself in his shoes...made a mistake and lost his life and kids for it. That's fucked up.
Perhaps someone here is adult enough to read through the post and understand what he is saying...rather than shortcut and proclaim yourself too worthy to be bothered with it.
RIP
He had 3 kids. If anyone can raise multiple kids over 20 years and NEVER SLAP, OR HIT THEM, OR SPANK THEM is Jesus himself.
Anyone who claims differently is a lying sack of shit. So by government decree, nearly all parents are in fact, child abusers. Think about it.
Bullshit.
This POS "slapped" his 4 year old daughter in the face for licking his hand.... hard enough to cut her lip.
Fuck him and fuck anyone who defends child abuse by comparing normal parental discipline.
This is the kind of sick fuck who usually takes out the wife and kids before his grand finale....
Fuck him.
You are nothing more than an hysterical idiot who is clueless.
You do not understand, so I end this conversation.
Goodbye.
Nerve wracking, ain't it?
Gets even better when you're a step-dad. I am very, very cautious when it comes to disciplining the kids, and my fiancee and I have discussed what is appropriate with the kids ad nausem.
She actually agrees with me that sometimes spanking is required. What we came up with together is that we warn the kids right away that it is coming, and tell them how many swats they will get if they don't stop. If they continue, they get spanked, but each one is counted, and carefully applied so that does not actually hurt them.
Even so, we're still like conspirators in a fox-hole whenever one of the kids pushes things to that point, worried that some idiot will have the police at our door. Luckily, they're all basically good kids, and it rarely comes to that.
I've been saying it for 20 years. If you are a man, you are a fool to marry, and an even greater fool to have children. In the modern age, children are nothing but a financial, civil, and criminal liability. They are just one more technique the state uses to deny you the unalienable rights, that are guaranteed you by the bill of rights, and to get your money. By the way, I am not married, and I do not have children.