Guest Post: New Hampshire Man Burns Self At Courthouse In Protest

From Jim Quinn At The Burning Platform

New Hampshire Man Burns Self At Courthouse In Protest

A New Hampshire man burned himself to death in front of a
courthouse. The specific reasons are individual to him, regarding a
domestic violence arrest and prosecution. But the larger reason he
killed himself is that he says the system no longer follows the Rule of
Law. Once you read past the details, he gives a fascinating analysis of
the system. He argues for a complete takedown of the Federal Government
and starting over from scratch.

He may be an example of what is to come - people throwing themselves violently up against the system in order to bring it down.

It's fifteen pages. Longer than Joe Stack's. But much shorter than the Obamacare bill.

Here is the link:
 http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/last-statement-sent-to-sentinel-from-self-immolation-victim/article_cd181c8e-983b-11e0-a559-001cc4c03286.html

Editor’s note: On Thursday morning, June 16, The Sentinel received a
“last statement” via mail from a man who insinuated that he planned to
set himself on fire in front of the Cheshire County Court House, and an
explanation of why he intended to do so. Through further reporting, The
Sentinel is confident this is from the victim of Wednesday afternoon’s
fire, although police have not yet received confirmation of his
identity. The 15-page statement is printed in full, except for two
redacted items: The names of the man’s mother and his three children.
Details will be posted as they become available.

Last Statement

by Tom Ball

A man walks up to the main door of the Keene N.H. County Courthouse,
douses himself with gasoline and lights a match. And everyone wants to
know why.

Apparently the old general was right. Death is not the worst of evil.

I am due in court the end of the month. The ex-wife lawyer wants me
jailed for back child support. The amount ranges from $2,200. to $3,000.
depending on who you ask. Not big money after being separated over ten
years and unemployed for the last two. But I do owe it. If I show up for
court without the money and the lawyer say jail, then the judge will
have the bailiff take me into custody. There really are no surprises on
how the system works once you know how it actually works. And it does
not work anything like they taught you in high school history or civics
class.

I could have made a phone call or two and borrowed the money. But I
am done being bullied for being a man. I cannot believe these people in
Washington are so stupid to think they can govern Americans with an iron
fist. Twenty-five years ago, the federal government declared war on
men. It is time now to see how committed they are to their cause. It is
time, boys, to give them a taste of war.

There are two kinds of bureaucrats you need to know; the ones that
say and the ones that do. The bridge between them is something I call
The Second Set of Books. I have some figures of the success of their
labors. You and I are in these numbers, as well as our spouses and
children. But first let me tell you how I ended up in this rabbit hole.

My story starts with the infamous slapping incident of April 2001.
While putting my four year old daughter to bed, she began licking my
hand. After giving her three verbal warnings I slapped her. She got a
cut lip. My wife asked me to leave to calm things down.

When I returned hours later, my wife said the police were by and said
I could not stay there that night. The next day the police came by my
work and arrested me, booked me, and then returned me to work. Later on
Peter, the parts manager, asked me if I and the old lady would be able
to work this out. I told him no. I could not figure out why she had
called the police. And bail condition prevented me from asking her. So I
no longer trusted her judgment.

After six months of me not lifting a finger to save this marriage,
she filed for divorce. Almost two years after the incident, I was
talking with her on the phone. She told me that night she had called a
mental health provider we had for one of the kids. Wendy, the counselor
told my then wife that if she did not call the police on me, then she
too would be arrested.

Suddenly, everything made sense. She is the type that believes that
people in authority actually know what they are talking about. If both
she and I were arrested, what would happen to our three children, ages
7,4 and 1? They would end up in State custody. So my wife called the
police on her husband to protect the children. And who was she
protecting the kids from? Not her husband, the father of these children.
She was protecting them from the State of New Hampshire.

This country is run by idiots.

The police sergeant Freyer screwed this up from the get go. When I
got the Court Complaint form the box was checked that said Domestic
Violence Related. I could not believe that slapping your child was
domestic violence. So I looked up the law. Minor custodial children are
exempted. Apparently, 93% of American parents still spank, slap or pinch
their children. To this day I still wonder if Freyer would have made
this arrest if it had been the mother that had slapped the child.

Labeling someone’s action as domestic violence in American in the
21st century is akin to labeling someone a Jew in Germany in the 1930′s.
The entire legal weight of the state is coming down on him. But I
consider myself lucky. My family was destroyed. But that poor bastard in
Germany had his family literally annihilated.

Arrests are mandatory for the police in New Hampshire for domestic
violence. That is not law. That is police department policy. Laws come
from the Legislature and the Governor’s office together. God only knows
where these policies come from. The State’s Attorney General also has a
mandatory arrest protocol for domestic violence. I call these policies,
procedures and protocols The Second Set of Books. You never cover the
Second Set of Books your junior year in high school. That because we are
not suppose to have a Second Set of Books. This is America-we have the
rule of law.

I am a regular guy, a coffee and cheeseburger type of fellow. As
remarkable as my life has been, I figure that what happens to me must be
happening to others as well. I was 48 years old when I got arrested
here for my first time. So I went looking for the arrest numbers for
domestic violence, this new group that I had unwilling joined. I could
not find anything. So I wrote the U.S. Dept. of Justice in Washington.
They wrote back that they did not keep track of domestic violence
arrests. The FBI keeps track of all other crimes. How come not domestic
violence? I thought some low level clerk was blowing me off.

At the time, I had mailing addresses in both New Hampshire and
Massachusetts. So I wrote to all six Congressional offices, the two
Senators from each state and the two Congressman. They like doing favors
for constituents hoping you will favorably remember their name in the
voting booth. All six offices reported back the same thing. They do not
know how many arrests for domestic violence have been made. I
immediately knew something was wrong. And I also knew this was not going
to be good.

Improvise, adapt and overcome. The Army teaches that to every soldier
it trains. They say that no battle plan survives the first five minutes
of combat. So your people on the ground had better be able to think for
themselves. Taking casualties in war is just an occupational hazard.
Taking casualties and not accomplishing your mission is a disaster.
After 21 years of Army service, I am pretty good at improvising.

The first thing I found was a study not of domestic violence arrests
but of domestic violence injuries for 18 unnamed states and the D.C. in
the year 2000. In the study 51% of the injuries were ‘no injuries’. So I
knew I had a study of police reports. Who else but a police officer
would record no injuries? I populated that out to the 50 states and came
up with 874,000 arrest in the year 2000.

I had originally populated the number back to 1994 when the Violence
Against Women Act (VAWA) was enacted into law. I would later find out
these arrests stated with the U.S. Attorney General’s Task Force of
Domestic Violence ten years earlier in 1984. As individual states data
became available for various years and states, I would incorporated in
to my informal study. The number I have now in 2011 is 36 million adults
have been arrested for domestic violence. I have a gut feeling this
number could be as high as 55 million. But I only have data to 36
million. So 36 million it stays. And there is a really cool trick you
can do once you have this number. You can find out how many American
men. women and children ended up homeless because of these arrests.

Most of the domestic violence statistics I have seen break down with
75% male and 25% female being arrested. So I am going to used the male
pronoun for the one arrested spouse and the female pronoun for the
victim spouse. That should make the domestic violence feminists
ecstatic-man bad, woman good. But that is okay because that is probably
the last nice thing I am going to do for them today.

When then a man is arrested for domestic violence, one of two things
can happen. If they are only dating and have separate apartments, then
he can head home. But if they are living together, then this fellow has a
real problem. Bail conditions and then a possible protective or
restraining order prevent him from being with her. So he needs to find a
new place to live, at least until the charges are resolved. The King of
his Castle is no longer allowed into his castle. A feminist name Pence
who wrote that was absolutely giddy at that outcome. So he can get his
own place if he has enough money. Or he can move in with his mother, his
sister or another relative. He might have a girl friend who would let
him stay with her. And if none of this is possible, well then I guess he
is sleeping in his car down by the river.

If he has minor children, money will soon turn into an issue. Most
men I know do not mind paying child support. They want their kids to
have food on their plates, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their
heads. But it does stress that man’s finances. Child support is usually
33% of the man’s gross income. Withholding for taxes, social security
and health insurance can range up to 28% of his gross paycheck. So a man
making $500 a week gross has only $825 monthly left over after
withholding and child support. That is not enough money for an apartment
here in Central Massachusetts. That does not include other expenses
like heating, electric, gas, groceries, telephone, cable, car payment
and car insurance. So he is in a financial hole. Estimates of homeless
men run 82% to 94%. I am going to round that down to 80%.

After the King has left his castle, his wife runs into a problem. She
was use to getting his whole paycheck for the household. Now she get a
third for child support. Figure they both work and made the same money,
her budget went from 100% down to 66%. If she was running the house on
$3,045. a month when the King was home, now without him she only has
$2,220. Most households in America cannot withstand a 27% hit on the
household account. She’ll juggle the bills but eventually most wives
figure out that they can pay all the smaller bills if they just does not
pay the big bill. That would be the rent or the mortgage. So six to
nine months after the King is out of the castle, the Queen, the Princes
and the Princesses are also on the street. Domestic violence feminists
state that 50% of victim spouses of domestic violence end up homeless at
some time in their lives.

The last group of homeless from these arrests are children. The
domestic violence feminists state that 70% of domestic violence couple
have children. So 50% female times 70% children equals 35%. But children
is plural. So we will double to 70%.

(Odd isn’t it? They know that 50% of victim spouses end up homeless
and that 70% of them have children. How can they know the percentages
when they do not know how many total arrests were made? Those people at
the U.S. Justice Dept. cannot even pull off a credible cover-up. )

Men are 0.8, women are 0.5, and children are 0.7 for a grand total of
2.0 homeless Americans for every domestic violence arrest. Multiply
that by 36 million and you get 72 million men, women and children ending
up homeless at some point in their lives over the last 25 years because
of these domestic violence arrests.

That is a really large number even by Washington standards. That is
almost 25% of the entire population of the U.S. using 2010 census
figures. Which begs the question did these homeless people contribute to
this latest economic meltdown, or did they cause it? Because if they
did cause it then the recovery will not be measure in months or years
but in decades.

Some of the boys in the Father’s Movement think Congress might have
shot themselves in the foot over this one. Personally, I think they shot
themselves some place anatomically higher. No wonder the Speaker of the
House is always crying. The Dummies on the Potomac.

Twenty-five years ago the federal government start pushing these
arrests on state’s legal systems. Now, we have an economy on the rope.
They have thrown a huge amount of money at banks, big business and local
and states government. And we are still in the mud. But no economist
either at the Treasury Dept., Federal Reserve, universities or think
tanks are even looking at the impact of all these broken families. If
that 36 million arrest is correct, then 72 million men and women, have
been throw out of the middle class into subsistence living. Or is the
number 55 million and 110 million? No one knows and no one is even
looking. But why should look? According to the Attorney General, we do
not know how many arrests we have made.

And if the Tea Party is any indication, insurrection is brewing in
the land. Just a coincident? Not likely. This is what happens when the
government wipes out the middle class.

The idea for these arrests came from something called the Minneapolis
Police Experiment (MPE) of 1981-82. In the experiment police offices
were given pads with one of three words written on them; counsel, send
or arrest. Counsel meant the officer was to try to mediate the couple’s
spat. Send was to send one of the spouses out of the house for eight
hours as a cooling off period. Arrest was arrest one of the two spouses.
The officer was to do as the top paper on the pad said to do. The
experiment was set up by the Police Foundation and Lawrence W. Sherman
was the lead researcher. The results show counseling resulted in a
future assault in 24% cases, send was 19%, and the arrest option
resulted in a future assault in only 10% of the cases. Perhaps a cheap
way of cutting down future domestic violence.

In 1984 The U. S. Attorney General’s Task Force of Domestic Violence
recommended arrest as the primary weapon in domestic violence assault.
Lawrence W. Sherman recommend not using the arrests because the MPE was
just one study and it could be wrong. They ignored him. And by 1992, 93%
of the police departments in the nation had adopted some form of
mandatory arrest in domestic violence cases.

But by 1992 five more addition studies similar to the MPE became
available. Lawrence W. Sherman reviewed all five studies. Then once
again he wrote that the police should not use arrest. In two of the five
studies, they found the same result as they did in the MPE, that an
arrest cut down the odds of a future assault. But in the other three
studies an arrest actually increase the odds of a future assault. So
arresting someone in a domestic violence situation to cut down on future
assaults did not work any better than just flipping a coin. I do not
know if Lawrence W. Sherman is still alive. But fortunately he wrote a
book call Policing Domestic Violence that was published in 1992.

So we have 800,000 American police officers arresting one in every
six adults in the country and throwing 25% of the men, women and
children out on the streets in an effort to enforce a policy that they
knew did not work back in1992. And I had always assumed that you needed a
man to really screw something up. Oh well, there goes another glass
ceiling.

Why would they push an arrest policy that does not work? There are
two schools of thought on the reason why. The first comes from Lawrence
W. Sherman. He calls it the Law of Just Desserts. Revenge for slights
and offenses, real or imagined. I am sure there are some that would
argue that women are not vengeful. But what is that old saying? Hell
hath no fury…..

The second idea comes from the mother of the second wave of feminism.
I do speak of the brilliant Betty Friedan. In the Epilogue Chapter of
the 20th Anniversary Edition of her book The Feminine Mystique, Betty
relayed why she resigned as the first president of the National
Organization of Women in 1970. Betty wrote that she, “was unable to
openly fight the man haters and unwilling to front for them any more…”
So man hating bigots no only existed 40 years ago, they were also
grabbing power. Now Washington is funding them. Makes you wonder what
bigots they will fund next. Maybe the Klan?

Feminists had always claimed that when women took over, we would have
a kinder, gentler, more nurturing world. After 36 million arrests and
72 million evictions what we got was Joe Stalin.

The third wave of feminists do not like to call themselves feminists.
The word feminist could be perceived as gender oppression. These third
wave of whatever-we-call-you got that right The treachery of our legal
system over the last 25 years may end up giving all feminists a bad
name. Which would make us as bigoted as the man-hating feminists who got
us into this mess to begin with.

So let us talk about those bureaucrats that do. These are the ones
that actually carry out the evil deeds. I like call them the do-bies.

Any one swept up into legal mess is usually astonished at what they
see. They cannot believe what the police, prosecutors and judges are
doing. It is so blatantly wrong. Well, I can assure you that everything
they do is logical and by the book. The confusion you have with them is
you both are using different sets of books. You are using the old First
Set of Books- the Constitution, the general laws or statutes and the
court ruling sometime call Common Law. They are using the newer Second
Set of Books. That is the collection of the policy, procedures and
protocols. Once you know what set of books everyone is using, then
everything they do looks logical and upright. And do not bother trying
to argue with me that there is no Second Set of Books. I have my own
copies at home. Or at least a good hunk of the important part of it.

I got my Second Set of Books when I sued the Jaffrey NH police
department. Under the discovery rule, I write them with the material I
wanted and it would arrive in the mail a few weeks later. I got the
Police Academy Training Manual. I got the Department’s Policy and
Procedure Manual. I got the no-drop protocol that the attorney general
sent to all his or her prosecutors. I even got the domestic violence
protocols for the court system, one hundred pages worth. Once you read
it the material, then you will know what the police, prosecutors and
judges will do. They are completely predictable once you know what set
of books they are using.

The police academy training manual states that an arrest in a
domestic violence call is the preferred response. They cite the
Minneapolis Police Experiment (MPE) as its justification. But the author
of the MPE, Lawrence Sherman, said do not use arrest because five
follow up studies show that it did not work. The would be a violation of
the 4th Amendment in the First Set of Books against unreasonable search
and seizure. Then there is that whole issue of whether the police have
the right to arrest for any reason other than they believe a crime was
committed.

The Jaffrey Police Department Policy and Procedures Manual states
that if a wife says she does not want her husband arrested, the police
are to ignore her, arrest the husband, and get with the prosecutor to
see what they can work out. In other words, make the arrest and then see
if you can Mickey Mouse it. The wife is eligible for spousal immunity.
If she invokes it, then no statement she mades, written or oral, are
admissible because she cannot be cross examined about it under oath. (
Did you say that? What did you mean when you said that?) With no
statements the police have no probable cause in most cases to make an
arrest. Also a violation of the 4th amendment in the First Set of Books.

The actor Nickolas Cage was drunk in New Orleans with his wife.
Everyone else is drunk in New Orleans, so why should Nick be any
different. He and his wife were arguing over which house the rented for
their stay. Nick grab his wife’s arm and started to lead her to his
house. The police arrested Nick for domestic violence. His wife was
stunned. That was not domestic violence. “Nothing we can do,” the police
explained to her. “Just following orders.”

That is an accurate explanation for victims, even if they do not
think of themselves as victims. The police have a zero tolerance towards
any physical contact. Things might get worse in the future is the
feminist logical for this present iron fist approach to domestic
relations. I would have to agree with them. After all the arrests,
poverty, homelessness and misery, I can assure you-things are going to
get worse.

But that nothing we can do, just following orders the officers
explain always sounds so timid and lame. The police need to punch their
explanation up a bit, make it more authoritarian. And there is a quick,
low cost way of doing it. The police officers only need to say it in its
original German.

The state Constitution in NH said the prosecutors job is to promote
justice. The Attorney Generals protocols said that domestic violence
case are no-drop cases. (Unless, of course, they take the Deal. Continue
the case for a year, go to counseling, and everything falls off the
books after the year. They did after all find some way of getting rid of
all these cases.)

The Attorney General can hire, fire, layoff, promote, demote, commend
or award bonuses. The constitution is some old, quaint, dusty document
up in the Statehouse some where. So which one do you think is going to
get obeyed?

Prosecutors are funny. Some, maybe most, have egos the size of Cape
Cod. But of the three, police, prosecutor and judges, prosecutors have
the least protection. Micheal Nifong, the prosecutor in the Duke
Lacrosse Rape Case, was fired, disbarred, convicted of a crime, and
actually jailed for trying to enforce the no-drop prosecution protocol
for sexual assault in the Duke case.

The prosecutor in my criminal case fared a little better. I filed a
complaint with his boss for summoning my two daughters, ages 7 and 4, to
court. I had already conceded that the facts were not in dispute. The
trial would be about the law. No witness were need much less a couple of
toddlers. He still summoned them. (The Second Set of Books tells the
prosecutors to get a sympathetic face in front of the judge or jury.
What’s more sympathetic than toddlers.) The prosecutor could not refute
my allegation because I enclosed a copy of the trial transcript. I had
to pay for the transcript. When the prosecutor read it, he gave his two
weeks notice and then blew town. That transcript was the best $46 I had
ever spent in this life.

There is a name for what happens when a bureaucrat is destroyed by
the First Set of Books for attempting to enforce the Second Set of
Books. It is called the Abu Ghraib Syndrome. The people within the law
enforcement community no longer seem to know the difference between the
law, with its checks and balances, and the policies, procedure and
protocols that constitute The Second Set of Books. In some cases you do
not even know who wrote the policy, procedure or protocol. It could have
been the local high school gym teacher for all anyone knows. Many of
these bureaucrats are eventually going to learn the different between
the First and the Second Set of Books. And my guess is that many of them
are going to learn it the hard way. Because the only checks and
balances in The Second Set of Books is The First Set of Books.

Judges routinely use our children as bargaining chips. Get the adult
into counseling, continue the case for a year, and then drop it. This
will open up the docket for the new arrests coming in next week. These
judges that use our children are not honorable. Which is why I never use
the term ‘Your Honor’ any more. I just call them judge.

Alex Baldwin, the actor, wrote that you have never seen a coward
until you have seen a Los Angeles County judge. I call my
judges-Sullivan, Arnold and even Runyon-cowards, too. When I first
started observing them, nothing made sense. Arnold was completely
infuriated when he was maneuvered into ruling not guilty. He verbally
went up and down me so many times I lost count. What was the big deal?
If I was not guilty just say and then we could all go home. But that was
back in the days before I knew about The Second Set of Books.

I lost visitation with my two daughters when I got arrested. One was
the victim-the other was the witness. After a not guilty, I expected to
get visitation with my girls. But the divorce judge, Sullivan, decreed
that counseling was in order and they would decide when we would
reunite. I told the judge that the decision on whether these two girls
had a father or a fatherless childhood was not leaving this courthouse.
There would be a couple of reason for that decision.

First, by then I knew of the Second Set of Books. As much as I had
prayed for the return of my children, I knew that this counseling might
get thrown in the way. Judges are addicted to counseling like a
meth-head is addict to crystal meth. Sullivan wrote in the divorce
decree that he envision only one or two meetings with the counselor.
There is no counseling done in the first meeting or two. It is
intake-who’s the players and what are the issues. But Sullivan was not
interested in counseling. He merely wanted to unload the decision out of
habit. And if we do not shut them down now, they will be doing it to
our kids in twenty years from now when they have little ones running
around the house.

Second, just exactly where does the buck stop with our legal system?
Police have to make an arrest. The prosecutor has to pursue the case.
Judges now also walk a away without rendering a verdict, and passing the
buck does not constitute a decision. Can those mental health counselors
slide the decision over to someone else? Just where does this end? Who
is responsible? Who is accountable?

The mental health crowd is the third reason I said no. Some people
think they are geniuses with their Masters and PH D’s. Others think they
are so wacky that they call them fruit loops. Well, I have a third name
for them. Suckers. They did not get hired for their medical ability.
They got these because they were willing to take these cases off the
judge’s hands. Which has done nothing for the credibility for their
profession. We are not here to help-we are here to unload. And they
created a liability that did not previously existed. If a judge releases
a defendant and he goes kills someone, that judge or the judiciary
cannot be sued. But a mental health worker, and their employer certainly
can be held liable. Our judiciary is now using the mental health field
like a ten dollar whore.

I sued Monadnock Family Services to make them go away. I told their
lawyer Byron that they were a legitimate target for men. We settled for
no money. They would have nothing to do with this reconciliation. The
counselor was released. And they would no longer get involved in any
domestic violence cases.

Every time we ended back in court over whatever squabbles, I would
ask Judge Sullivan for my children back. The decision belong to the
counselors he would tell me. But he knew he had screwed up. I could see
it in his face. But he would not fix it. He would not step out of that
box those domestic violence/sexual assault advocates had built for him.
After five years, he retired to a part time position at the Littleton
courthouse 120 miles away.

So when guys like Alex Baldwin and I call judges cowards, we have
legitimate reasons for doing so. It is not good for judges to be called
coward. It is unlikely that it is good for the rest of us.

I do not claim to have all The Second Set of Book. I know of one book
that I do not have. And I would have love to read that one. That would
be the seminar that the domestic violence and sexual assault advocates
put on periodically for legal personnel including judges. These
advocates are camped outside every state, not federal, courthouse in
America. The U.S. Dept of Justice provides 50-100% of their funding
depending on the program. They have three day seminars at resorts where
everything is paid for except the liquor. Judges in NH are ordered to
attend. Neither Sullivan or Arnold would confirm or deny they had
attended. They actually said nothing. It must be like the Masons where
they will not say anything about the organization until you show them
the secret hand sign.

Supreme Court Judge Louis Brandeis once wrote that the best
description of a judge is the impartial guardian of the rule of law. How
does three days of wine, women and song contribute to impartiality? It
does not. So it should not have been any surprise that they would not
answer me. After all, they were not on trial. I was. But they are going
to be. They were suppose to protect to rule of law not collaborate in
its demise. They have failed miserably.

A guardian ad litem is an attorney appointed for a child. The
attorney solely represents the child. I got one when I was first
separated to get a neutral pair of eyes and ears on the family. I was
disappointed in his findings.

A few years later, another guardian was appointed for one of the
kids. A regular report filed with the Court painted me as some sort
violent psychopath. I thought that was uncalled for seeing as we had
never met. It start a flurry of nasty letters between until we both came
to the conclusion that this was not about us. We ended on a friendly
note.

At a Court hearing later on I approached him. I asked him if he had
had any domestic violence training. He said yes, that it was required to
become certified as a guardian ad litem. Another chapter for The Second
Set of Books that I never managed to acquire.. So men, if you were
thinking about getting a guardian ad litem for an unbiased assessment,
then you should ask for the domestic violence material that certified
the guardian. And do not worry that you are not sure what you are
looking for. It will stand right out.

There are more sections of The Second Set of Books. Medical personnel
are supposed to report suspected domestic violence. The college
professor Angela Davis has a story of a Latino couple in California
getting in trouble feeding the dog his liver for dinner. Mental health
employees are also required. Think of Wendy threatening our kids with
foster care. Teachers, day care providers, the list just goes on and on.
The East German secret police, the Stazi, had 25% of the population on
record as informers. The United States is not that high yet, but we are
still growing.

These people-police, prosecutors and judges-are suppose to protect
us. They are checks and balances to prevent injustice. That is why we
spend so much money of police training. But if the police screw it up,
the prosecutor can catch it. If the prosecutor misses it then the judge
can step in to fix it. But if all three have been compromised, then what
does one need to do to get justice? Go to the appeals court or the
Supreme Court? That seem a little ridiculous particularly when the zero
tolerance has arrests for something as trivial as touching.

On one hand we have the law. On the other hand we have what we are
really going to do-the policies, procedures and protocols. The rule of
law is dead. Now we have 50 states with legal systems as good as any
third world banana republic. Men are demonized and the women and
children end up as suffering as well.

So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and
courthouses. The Second Set of Books originated in Washington. But the
dirty deeds are being carried out by our local police, prosecutors and
judges. These are the people we pay good money to protect us and our
families. And what do we get for our tax money? Collaborators who are no
different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during
the Second World War. All because they go along to get along. They are
an embarrassment, the whole lot of them. And they need to be held
accountable. So burn them out.

In the last 25 years they have arrested one in six adults in this
country and forced 25% of the men, women and children into homelessness.
In 50 years it will be one in three adults arrested and 50% of the men,
women and children ending up homeless. Most of our kids will live to
the age of 68 years old. As bad as it was for you, your children will
have twice the odds of it happening to them.

Some of you will say that 50% homelessness sounds absurd. But 25% is
absurd and that is already here. There is no evidence that the police,
courts, or government is planning to do anything different in the
immediate future. And they will not do anything different until we make
it so uncomfortable that they must change. Bureaucracy at its worst. So
burn them out. This is too important to be using that touchy-feeling
coaching that is so popular with business these days. You need to
flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to
replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!

Most of the police stations built in New England over the last 20
years are stone or brick. Fortunately, the roofs are still wood. The
advantage of fire on the roof is that it is above the sprinklers. But
even the sprinklers going off work to our advantage. There is no way
they can work in a building with six inches of water. And I am certain
we will disrupt their momentum once they start working out of a FEMA
trailers. If they still do not get the message, then burn down the
trailers.

The easiest way of burning a building is with the Molotov cocktail.
It was invented by the Finns when the Soviets invaded in 1939. You fill a
bottle with gasoline and stuff a rag in the end for a wick. You light
the wick and throw bottle, It shatters on impact spraying gas everywhere
and the wick ignites the gas. Simple, readily available, and effective.
And only two things to remember.

First, use a glass bottle. Thinner glass is better than thicker
glass. You want it to shatter on impact. When I was teaching a kid at
the high school on the West Side Worcester, MA. threw a Molotov cocktail
into his school. Fortunately, he used a plastic bottle. It burned about
three square inches of carpeting. I had to laugh when I said to myself,
“Thank God for dumb kids.”

Second, you need to tie the rag to the bottle. Nothing worse that
throwing a Molotov cocktail, landing where you wanted it, and having it
shatter perfectly. Then you noticed the wick had fallen out on the way
to the target. No wick-no fire.

Some of these building will have brick faces and metal roofs. Just
break a window and throw the Molotov cocktail inside. Carpets,
furniture, computer plastic, even paint on the walls will burn. It is
okay if the sprinkler goes off. I wonder if you can get hip waders over a
gun belt?

We had a kid in my hometown that burned down the old junior high
school. He walked up to the front door one night with a can of lighter
fluid. The applicator on the end squirts the lighter fluid out. He
squirted under the door and along the seams and lit a match. The kid
took out the entire old part of the building. Why are kids so competent
when it is something they should not be doing?

There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded,
some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will
be ours.

Now, nobody wants to get killed. But let us look at your life. You
are broke after paying child support. She and the kids are not doing any
better. None of you are middle class any more. You have no say in the
kids education, their health treatment, you may not even have visitation
with your sons and daughters. And everything you thought you knew to be
true-the rule of law, the sanctity of the of the family, the belief
that government was there to nurture your brood-all turned out to be a
lie. Face it boys, we are no longer fathers. We are just piggy banks.

So you are not losing anything by picking up the Molotov cocktail. It
may be too late for us. But without something changing, your kids will
have double the odds of it happening to them. That will knock them out
of the middle class again, providing they ever get back in. And their
kids, your grandchildren, will end up damaged goods before it is over.
So it is okay to run. You just need to turn around and run at them. They
are no way as imposing as they seem. They only do what they do for a
paycheck.

Television would make us believe that people get arrested because of
fingerprints, DNA, facial recognition, and instruments that can tell
where a substance was made and here is the local distributors. It is
Hollywood crap. Most of the people in prison are there for one key
reason. They could not keep their mouths shut. They told someone. That
someone told others. The cops hear it and start looking at them for a
suspect. That how it works in real life.

This need to confess seems to be primeval. Just human nature. But if
you cannot keep a secret, do not expect the one you tell to keep their
mouth shut. There is only three people I know for certain they will keep
their mouths shut. That would be Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

I only managed to get the main door of the Cheshire County Courthouse
in Keene, NH. I would appreciate it if some of you boys would finish
the job for me. They harmed my children. The place is evil. So take it
out

Some where along the line I picked up the crazy notion that it is
better to be dead as a free man than to live as a serf. The government
needs to be a little more careful about what they teach in our schools.

And bring a can of spray paint to these fires. Paint the word
COLLABORATORS ( two L’s with an S on the end) on the building before you
burn it. Maybe we can shame them back to the rule of law. And we do
want the police to know exactly who burned the building. Then the police
can start interviewing the usually suspects, all 36 million of us.

We have covered the do-bies. Now let us look at the bureaucrats that say-ers.

The Second Set of Books originated in Office of Violence Against
Women (OVW) which is part of the United States Department of Justice.
Some of these policies, procedures and protocol were developed locally.
But the local results would be sent up to OVW and, if approved, would
disperse it out to all 50 states. They are smart, clever, bigoted and
able to lie as well as any politician that ever called Washington home.
In other words, they have now become Washington insiders.

But what makes them so uniques is their anger towards men, any man.
They are so twisted in their hatred of men that they are positively
scary. And it is not what they are doing to men that makes them
frightening. You would expect that. No, it is what they are doing to the
women and children that makes them so twisted.

When the Pentagon drops a bomb on innocent civilians the military
calls it Collateral Damage. It sounds better than, “Yeah, we killed a
bunch of women and children.” Those poor, innocent, stupid civilians
have always been caught in the middle since the time we were fighting
with rocks.. Your wife and kids are Collateral Damage in the war against
you, the man in the family. For 25 years these feminists at OVAW have
been willing to sacrifice the women and children to get you. And they
cannot claim ignorance about what they are doing. Under the VAWA the
federal government is funding at least 1,800 homeless shelters. As long
as the Office for Violence Against Women exists in the U.S. Department
Justice , no American man, women or child will be safe in their own
home.

If you ask these feminists why are the shelters all full, they will
not say because of all the arrests. The shelters are full because of
men. But they knew from the beginning that this was not man bad-woman
good thing. The year was 1976. Two things would happen that year.

First, someone at the U.S. Dept of Justice decided to count the dead
bodies. In 1975 there were 1522 women killed in domestic violence. And
for men killed in 1975? The dead for men was 1506. Statistically equal a
friend tells me so.

If you had asked me before the study, I would have assumed that women
were getting the worst of it. But I would be looking at it by genders.
What I should have been looking at was species, homo-sapiens, human
beings. Men are human-women are human. Being the same species you would
expect the same results from both genders. And that is exactly what the
dead bodies told us.

The second thing that happened in 1976 was the first domestic
violence survey was released. It was so new the time that they called it
family violence. Murray Straus of UNH and Richard Gellars from a school
in RI were the researchers. They did not find two perpetrators of
domestic violence, but three. Men initiated violence 25.7% of the time:
women 25.2%, and the other 49.1% was the two going after each at the
same time. These two people going after each other at the same time is
well recognized in law. The law in NH calls that mutual combat. Men are
human. Women are human. And once again we found both genders acting the
same manner.

So how did we end up with the theory of man bad-woman good that the
government at all levels is using? The feminist writer Susan Brownmiller
wrote In Our Time that,” the way you get funding and church donations
is to talk about the pure victims. If you talk about the impurity of the
victim, the sympathy vanishes.” If women get to be good then men get
what is left-bad. Man bad-woman good was originally a funding raising
technique. After 35 years, it has turned into official government dogma
at all levels, from the local cop on the beat to the White House. Men
need to be punished, restrained and retrained. Your wives and children
are, unfortunately, just collateral damage in this effort to punish men.
So you were not dreaming it. There really is a government pogrom
against men.

When a man batters or kills, there is no excuse. When a woman commits
the same act, there is nothing but excuses. Simple though inaccurate.
But there is one redeeming aspect to men being demonized. Now we men can
act like devils. And we do not even need to apologize for it. Men are
going to start acting just like they made us out to be. As an old high
school semi-punk I can assure you boys of one thing. This is going to be
fun. You guys are going to end up laughing like hyenas.

The money funded under the VAWA is split in two when it leaves the
Treasury. Part goes the Health and Human Services for fund these
domestic violence homeless shelters. If that 36 million number is
correct, and it is all that we have, then the 1.44 million arrests a
year will be made producing 2.88 million homeless Americans each year.
Women and children constitute 60% of these homeless people, 1.7 million
Americans a year. Shutting down these shelters would be cruel. What
would these women and children do then? Go live under a bridge. No, we
are stuck with these shelters for a while. But there is one thing that
Congress needs to fix when they fund them again.

These shelters do not allow men on the property let alone inside the
residences. Why is it against the law to use federal money on
organizations that discriminate against black, Jews, gays or even women
but it is okay to do so against men? Men contributed half that tax
money. Eight years ago a man in California fled with his children after
the police warned him to get out after they had arrested the wife and
mother. None of the shelters would take him and the kids in because he
was a man. I wonder if this would survive a legal gender discrimination
challenge in a federal court?

A society without men is freakier than a world without blacks or
Jews. That is not to say blacks or Jews are any less worthy. It just
that there are more men in the world than blacks or Jews even if you
combined them. If these feminist had to deal with men on a regular
basis, then maybe the country would not be in the pickle we are in now.

There is a third reason to end this discrimination, something of a
more practical nature. Apparently, some women like to have sex with men.
But men are barred from the property. Suddenly, that 15 year boy two
doors down starts looking real good. It might even be fun breaking in
this new meat. So this woman driven into insolvency by the push for
domestic violence arrests now finds herself charged as a pedophile
because someone barred men from her world. With domestic violence
advocates as friends, who needs enemies.

This shelters came up with a novel approach to fixing the pedophile
problem. Male children over the age of thirteen are barred from staying
there. Too troublesome. The family broke up when the father was thrown
out of the house. Now a second break up is happening with the teenage
boys. Perhaps a relative has one bed available. Maybe the family of a
high school friend would take him in their home. If neither option works
then that is okay. He can move in with his father. Then they will both
be sleeping in the car down by the river.

Children of these parents also suffer. They used to have their own
bedroom in a safe town with good schools. First they have a shelter,
then Section 8 public housing. An urban school. Maybe good-maybe not.
Kids learn how to be tough in an urban environment. The kids might go
bad or they could come out just fine. But there will be no clunky car as
a teenager. There will be no saving fund for college. There will be no
monetary gift to use as a down payment for a starter home. This
tradition of the older generation giving the younger generation a
financial leg up has been ruin due to the older generation’s lack of
money. Financially, the older generation is merely treading water. It
will take generations after these present two generations to repair the
economic damage to these families.

So we are stuck with funding these shelters for a while. These women
and children have no place left to go. Some of you guys may think that
these feminist caused the problem and then created the solution. But
homeless shelters are not a solution. They are just barely a band aid.

The remaining money under VAWA goes to the United States Department
of Justice for the Office of Violence Against Women (OVW). As long as
OVW exists then the government is at war with men. As long as there is a
pogrom against men, then women and children are going to end up as
collateral damage. So there is no need for discussion about OVW going.
The only thing we need to figure out is which of the two ways we can use
to get rid of them-the easy way or the hard way.

And boys, do not try to burn down Washington’s Dept. of Justice
Building in an effort to get rid of the Office of Violence Against
Women. Their offices are over at N Street.

The easy way is using Congress. The VAWA comes up for funding every
five to seven years. Next time it comes up, Congress votes no and
everyone at the OVW gets a pink slip in late September. Nice and simple
except nothing is simple in Washington. We, the people out here in the
sticks, do not always know what the dynamics are in Washington. There
might be one method of getting Congress on course. Have Congress demand
that the Attorney General get, and release the arrests figures. Or have
the President order it. He is usually fearless after he makes up his
mind. And this is too large and too well known to continue the
Washington plausible deniable routine. Then they will know how much
trouble they are in because of these arrests.

There are 220 million adults 18 or older in this country of both
sexes. If my figure of 36 million is correct, then that is 16.4% of the
adults have been arrested. It could be as high as 55 million or 25%. It
might be as low as 22 million or 10%. Whatever the number there are two
things that Congress should know. First, is the fellow who discovered
the arrests in Minneapolis back in 1992 said do not use it because it
does not work. And second, the people arrested now constitute a Fifth
Column here in the United States. Our loyalty to Washington is gone. But
what did these genuises on the Potomac expect? They have harmed our
children. If they think Al Qaeda is a pain in the ass, wait to they see
what Americans can do once their fuse is lit.

I am certain the Attorney General will sit for months on the request
for the number of domestic violence arrests. Then he will explain that
they do not readily have the number and that some sort of Manhattan
Project effort will be needed in time and money. Nonsense. When
Washington started these arrests in 1984 over 6.3 personal computers
were sold here in the U.S. That figure does not include all the mini’s,
midi’s and mainframe computers sold that year. There is no way they can
pretend that this data does not exist in electronic storage. A request
to Ohio for the arrests 1984-2010 would tie up a state clerk for an
hour, including their 15 minute coffee break. Time for the truth boys
and girls. Because this is not going away.

The hard way is more time consuming, cost more money and is full of
headaches. Because the only way of removing a department from the
federal government without the consent of Congress is to take out the
entire federal government.

The first time I heard that, I said that is ridiculous. We cannot run
this country without a federal government. But we will replace the old
government with something new and improved. The new government would
honor the debts incurred by the old government. There are a lot of
useful reasons for starting with a clean slate.

The bipartisan debt commission released their recommendation for
cleaning up the $14 trillion we have borrowed over the years. Convention
wisdom has it that Congress has no stomach for any of the
recommendations.

But a new government could install those recommendation on day one.
Three years later, most Americans will not remember that anything is
different. The old government laid off its employees when it closed. The
new government is hiring. But instead of 65,000 employees at the Dept.
of Education, the new government is only hiring 45,000. Instead of an
average federal wage of $70,000 a year, the new average will be $52,000.
The new government will have to write a tax code. Everyone pays 15%
with no deductions. How many IRS employees could you get rid of if there
were no more deductions? Any thing is possible with a new government.

Normally over-throwing a elected government is considered treason.
Treason is punishable by death here in the United States. But there is
one way of over throwing the government. That is through the ballot box.
Then it is not treason but democracy. Allegedly, Washington is in favor
of democracy, particularly if their candidate wins.

There is no legal mechanism in the Constitution or the Federal code
of the United States for dissolving the government of the United States.
So that is what we need first. Congress would need to write it. We get
them to do it through the ballot initiative.

A ballot initiative is when enough registered voters sign a petition
to get a question on the ballot for the next election. The following
would be a sample of what the question would look like in New Hampshire.

That all elected representatives from the state of New Hampshire to
both houses of the United States Congress are to propose and advance a
bill that would set up a legal mechanism to dissolve the United States
government should the people decide to do so in a general election by a
simple majority.

If this initiative passes in all 50 states then Congress will be
stuck. They will have to write the law to dissolve. If they do not I
suspect within ten years they will be standing in a stairwell at the
British or French embassy with a suitcase in hand waiting to get to a
rooftop helicopter. I doubt if they will be thinking about the
humiliation of being thrown out of the country. They will be far too
busy worrying about what will happen if the mob gets their hands on
them.

Washington has not got a friend in the world. Even the British and
Israelis loath them now. Kind of a bad time to be losing domestic
support. And what they done over the last 25 years? They have wiped out
the middle class pandering to a special interest group of bigots. And in
typical Washington fashion, they did not even know they did it.

This Ivy League inbreeding in Washington has produced an elite that
knows what best. Everyone else-husbands, wives, police officers,
prosecutors, judges, attorney generals and guardian ad litems-are to
shut up and do what they are told. The rule of law is gone, replaced by
the policies, procedures and protocols of The Second Set of Books. Which
means the federal government will be going shortly. For the government
being unable to deliver the rule of law is like an auto mechanic who
claims he does not know how to change the engine oil. A certain minimum
competency is required. So it looks like the parents of the Washington
elite were right. One can be too smart for their own good.

Betty Friedan wrote that the feminist revolution, like any
revolution, would have its excesses. Losing the rule of law is too great
to call it a mere excess. It is a catastrophe. It is the heart, mind
and soul between the people and their government. These feelings of
betrayal by losing it may be permanent. I have 21 years of Army service
going back to the Vietnam War. My loyalty to the government should be a
given. It is gone. I am certain it will never return regardless of how
long I might have lived.

It was another woman that lead us in to this decision to clean house
inside the beltway. Something she taught us fifty years ago. You simply
look at those folks in Washington and then ask yourself the old Ann
Landers question, “Am I better off with them, or without them? Are my
children better off with them, or without them?” They are sinking like
stones.

Washington, DC was chose as the capital because it was the
geographical center or the old Colonies. Today, the geographical center
of the country is just west of St. Louis Missouri. The new government
can set the capital anywhere in the United States it wants. Imagine how
many rodents, insects and parasites they could lose by moving 1500 miles
west.

Whether you replace the federal government or not, men are still
going to need a legal defense center for men. Something like the NAACP
used to get black people their rights. The only checks and balances in
the Second Set of Books is the First Set of Books. Which means lawsuits.
Now I know you guys are broke. Some of you have had your wives and kids
thrown into homelessness. So I completely understand when you tell me
that you are broke. But if everyone who has been arrested throws in
$10.00 a year then the legal defense center will have a war chest of
$360 million. You can buy a whole bunch of lawsuit with that kind of
money.

The Ball family has been supplying sergeants to the Army since at
least the Revolutionary War. Elijah served as a sergeant in Cushing’s
Regiment at the Battle of Bennington. His commanding officer was a
general from NH with a name of John Stark. General Start was a clever
warrior. He was responsible for the bulk of the heavy casualties the
British suffer at their victory at Bunker Hill. His orderly, fighting
withdrawal allowed the other units on the hill to not only retreat but
collect their wounded on the way out.

General Stark would repeat this performance on three hill tops
outside the village of Bennington VT one hot August day in 1777. At the
end of the battle, the British lost over 900 men killed or captured. The
Colonists suffered 30 dead. Two months later, the depleted British army
would surrender at Saratoga. That victory at Saratoga would bring the
French into the war. John Stark was the most competent general this
country ever produced. For that reason alone his men loved him.

But as brilliant as he was on the battlefield, General Stark would
become even more famous for something he said. In 1809 the veterans of
Bennington decided to have one last reunion. A delegation called on the
General with his invitation. But the General was old and frail. He could
not attend. But he did send a message, “You tell the boys I said live
free or die. That death is not the worst of evil.” Since 1945 the State
of New Hampshire has stamped Live Free or Die on every pen, coffee mug,
license plate and highway sign that they have gotten their hands on.

I think the General and his sergeant would be please that his words
have elevated from the novelties and bric-a-brac to something more
dignified like a courthouse door. Neither of them would give a second
thought to the mess left over after the fire was extinguished. War has
always been a grim business. Civil wars are usually worse.

But they would be trouble by the new enemy. Oh, they understood when a
government betrays it people. They took up arms against the super power
of their day to get relief for their grievances. But the enemy we face
now is the government that these men birthed at places like Bennington,
Saratoga and Bunker Hill. Government is no different than the food in a
refrigerator. Given enough time both will go bad.

The smartest person I knew in this life was my mother. Perhaps that
is true of all of us. Maybe I just got lucky. She was a nurse by trade.
She worked in a time when Western medicine made that final transition
from butchery to science. But it would not be her nursing skills that
made her extraordinary. No, it would be this one incredible knack she
had that I had only modest success at mimicking in my life. If she had
something important to say to you, she would say and then never mention
it again. She would talk about it if you raised the issue. But she never
mentioned it twice on her own. And, oddly, you always heard her.

But she did have one favorite saying. I must have heard in a thousand
times in the eighteen years I lived under her roof. It always came at
the end of the conversation as she peeled away to see if it was time for
Perry Mason or Lawrence Welk. She would turn her head to the side, and
over her shoulder she would say, “And the only thing you really have in
this world is your family.” Now, thanks to the United States Government,
neither we nor our children have that.

. I have three things to say to my children. First, Daddy loves you.
Second, you are my three most favorite people in the world. And last,
that you are to stick together no matter how old you get or how far
apart you live. Because it is like Grandma always said. The only thing
you really have in this world is your family.

---

And this is the pre-story:

Keene Police were not giving out much info, but there is a dead body
out front of Cheshire Superior Court and a large amount of charring on
the sidewalk in front of the courthouse. Police scanner recordings
confirm this is a case of suicide by self-immolation. You can listen to
the Keene police scanner here.

Makes you wonder what the court did to the poor guy/gal. More details as we learn them:

UPDATE: Here’s the Sentinel’s piece with comments from a witness.

UPDATE: Here’s audio from the police scanner feed after the man sets himself ablaze.

This isn’t going to just wash away.

June 16, 2011 by Ian Freeman
Filed under: Issues, News, Update 

This morning, locals report that government workers were spraying and scrubbing in an attempt to remove the evidence of yesterday’s apparent self-immolation in front of the Cheshire superior court.
I stopped by early this morning to file some motions in another case
and talk to the Sheriffs about yesterday and took a picture of the
damage. Click the pic for a full size version.

It’s going to take more than a hose and brush to make this issue go
away. People need to know who this man was and why he made this horrific
choice.

More as it develops. Thus far, no return calls from Keene Police or Cheshire Sheriffs.

Comments

[JLee2027]

Marty,

Just believe in God and marry a Christian women with the same rock solid moral values as yourself. Make God part of your marriage committment. Stick with it. Not an easy task, but with his help all things are possible.

Now, go find that woman for you and have your family. Good luck.

[Rhodin]

Marty is correct.  I will not marry until and unless the state is taken out of the marriage.  The parties to a marriage contract should get to write it.  Terms of dissolution should be agreed in advance.  Mediation and/or arbitration should be chosen to resolve disputes when possible.  Involving the state should be a last resort, by law.

Since there is no hope of the above, if i decide i must have children, i will emigrate and they will be born elswhere. 

[watchingdogma]

I made that mistake once - I won't be making it again.

[mick_richfield]

For all the people who said something like "He hit his kid, that's it.  He deserves what he got."  -- you need to work on seeing everyone with compassion, not just those who are easiest for you. 

J:  You are a thief!

V:  I stole a loaf of bread.

J:  You robbed a house!

V:  I broke a window pane.

If you give your consent to thoughtless punishment, horrors will be done in your name.

This was a crime perpetrated upon a man who needed ten minute's help, or thirty second's compassion -- not a permanent and finally fatal nightmare of punishment. The punishment was grotesquely out of balance with the offence, which was not a crime.

Let's see.  What Would Gandalf Say?

Maybe he did deserve to have his family taken from him.  And many who have their families taken from them do not deserve it.  Can you give their families back to them?   Then do not be too quick to break a family in the name of justice. 

[Jack Burton]

 A slap in the mouth was standard practice for swearing or mouthing off to my mother. I only got 3-4 slaps growing up, but I earned them. So by today's standards Mom would be a child abuser.

I have a good friend who helped found and put into operation a non profit womens counseling service which grew into a battered women's shelter. It still exists only a few blocks from my house. There are about 8 women currently living there, most with kids. I think the need for such a shelter is real. But my friend dropped out of the organization after  5 years. She told me she left because the lesbians had more or less taken over. Man hate was the order of the day. Every case walking in was 100% man wrong, 100% woman right. And what really got her to leave was the efforts by the staff to recruit the women seeking help and counseling to the lesbian life style. Lots of hugs for the women seeking advice! Seriously, I applaud the help many women got there, and I wish my friend's style of nonpartisan help had been maintained. But she left because of the use of a legitimate non-profit turning into a lesbian man hate society. I am sure few men came off very well in dealing with this group.

This guy was not 100% in the right. But he obviously got eaten up by "The System". Once this system brands you and gets to work on you, you are dead meat. Leave the country is my advice, instead of suicide, get the hell out of here. If you can. 

[topcallingtroll]

Don't tar the whole system with the same brush.

It is always Caveat Emptor, except in mental health the buyer has so little information beforehand.

[karzai_luver]

mental health --- really , who judges that you fraudsters are the only

"profession" going that makes the bankster appear wholesome.

fakers and scum , you talk your books without shame.

[trav7777]

Fuck you and your system.

You are a liar and an enabler of this shit- it's YOUR industry.

Funny how now you say don't tar everything with the same brush when you did that very thing above.  "The man" should pay support, the "man" is an abuser.

Your entire train of thought is mindfucked beyond recognition.  Hypocrite.

[Azannoth]

I can tell you the story of my life. My father was slightly schizophrenic and when get got drunk he got a bit loud and 'violent'(not that he hit any1) but he was slamming doors braking things sometime, but not violent against persons.

His 'mother' decided that it was 'enough' for her and got him commited to a mad-house, supposedly for treatment. That was the last time I saw my 'father'.

He came back 6 months later a vegetable, he was a normal person before, a bit eccentric but still, when he came back he could barely wipe his own ass

I would not put up with this, I had a choice of either get my own life ruined by taking on a life long commitment of taking c are of both my aging grandmother and my 'vegetable' father or running, well I fucking RAN!

[topcallingtroll]

It is sad there is such horrid care in public psychiatry, the government financed centers.

Only the worst psychiatrists, or the laziest, or the ones who care the least can work in such systems.

The care I provide one day a week in the medicaid clinic isn't that good, but what can I do with shitty therapists who think because they have a piece of paper that they know what they are doing?  What can I do when I have 15 minutes with the family once a month?  I do the best I can, and I think I do some good, but I could never work in those horrid systems you mention.

[cartonero]

Try setting yourself on fire at the door of the clinic.

[Rhodin]

+1

[mick_richfield]

You did right. 

The petty tyrants destroyed one life in your family -- don't give them yours as well.

Now you can strike back.  Do the opposite of what they did.

[falak pema]

Well I like to think I am a man...whatever that means. One thing I learnt when young, is that on personal issues of kith and kin you never run! You face up to it! Whatever the consequences. 'Cos its you, the one you walk, talk and sleep with!

One you can never run away from. We all make our own choices...

[droper]

Wow, this guy was no normal citizen,quite an effort. Sad that the system crushed his spirit like it did. I would know nothing about this situation if he hadn't made this sacrifice. Burning yourself alive take one hell of a will to go through with. He could have just blown his head off but i doubt he would have even been noticed sadly if he did, just another body bag =/.

[Problem Is]

Issue With His Number Methodology
You can't take 870,000 arrests based on DV injuries (if even that methodology is even close), count the number of years from 1984 to 2011 and say: "It's 35 million arrests!"

Crimes stay generally per capita consistent. Populations always increase. By year 2000 population, 870k arrests, that is 0.0031 or 0.31% of the population. Taking this per capita rate multiplied by the actual US population for the US from 1984 to 2011... you get 23,713,000 arrests over 27 years... still admittedly a lot...

But all of your projects, 16% of the population, etc. are flawed ans suspect from there...

50% of the Women End Up Homeless?
My dear immolated friend, shortly after you are out of the house, there are plenty of other "dicks" with a pay check to take your place... It happens everyday... women move on and often men with child support payments don't have the financial wherewithal to find a new relationship and be the new paycheck dick that your ex-wifes new dick provides...

You Could Have Paid a $100 Fine & Paid For Counseling and Had it Dropped in 1 Year?
You and Jack Scratch must be currently pondering the wisdom of that decision... I get the moral and ethical gist of your argument and the standing on your principals thing. But at some point you have to understand the Pyrrhic victory concept... Is it really worth being completely steam rolled by a monolithic system you, Don Quixote can't possibly prevail against? Better to live and fight another day and all?

US System of Tyranny and Lack of "Justice"
His overall assessment of the US "Justice" system is a correct one... Top down policies and tyrannies (See: Homeland Insecurity, The Anti-Patriot Act. TSA, etc.)...

Judges coercing pleas to clear dockets, outrageous unconstitutional rulings to aid prosecutors and clear dockets, overzealous prosecutors engaging in unconstitutional behavior for political gain, police trampling the constitution with funds and training from the Feds...

But slapping your 4 year old?? What other violence issues (previous relationships??) from your 21 years in the Army are you failing to address or admit to in this "fight against the man" suicide note???

Maybe you and Jack Scratch should investigate that one... you have all the time in the world, now...

[Stockmonger]

The original statistical system that the FBI tracks was set up in 1928 by a committee of FBI and local law enforcement in a coffee shop.  It is known as UCR (Unified Crime Reporting), and establishes about 15 crime categories from homicide to counterfeiting.  This system has been UNCHANGED for 80 years, except in 1977 Congress added Arson as a category.  There is a newer system, called NBIRS, that adds a little bit of more information but is primarily designed to solve the accounting problem of incidents where multiple crimes are committed, such as a robbery that results in murder.

Most local police departments submit an annual UCR report to the FBI on magnetic reel tape (!), and after about a year's worth of processing (I believe chimpanzees count each individual crime) the FBI publishes crime trends for the local community.  When the FBI report comes out, the chief of police will either say crime is down because of effective policies, or crime is up but the data is a year old and we have made improvements since then so don't pay attention to it.

Domestic violence, drunk driving, and other more modern categories have never been added to the UCR reporting.

[Northeaster]

He was partially right in how police respond. First, every cop hates domestic calls. Second, if there's even the slightest sign of physical violence, you're going, if both of you have marks, you both go. Children make it even harder, because if you take the parents, you own the children until children services come, which can take hours.

The reason for this is simple, so you don't get sued. There is a long tragic history of officers ignoring violence, and someone ends up killing their spouse or child.

We don't know whether it was an errand slap, a punch, whatever, none of us were there, all the above is speculation.

The story is not being widely covered in the area.

There was a message, maybe different for everyone here on ZH, but I think after lurking here for some time, most agree on what the message was.

[blunderdog]

Welp, sadly, the message is strong overall, but the messenger leaves something to be desired.  I'm inclined to think that the smacking of the kid was not a one-time deal, but the legal destruction of the family and the man's life were inappropriate. 

He raises good points about how we approach these cases.  His points aren't going to get as much attention as his bad behavior, though.

[mr. mirbach]

So the guy disciplines his child after 3 warnings? That doesn't show some restraint and patience? It is the nature of a child to test limits, it is the duty of a parent to set limits and then enforce them. If he had put the child over his knee for a spanking, there would most likely have been no story. My kids got spanked when they went beyond the limits, just often enough for them to know that 1) spanking was not an idle threat and 2) inappropriate behavior had consequences. 

For the momos that can't look beyond the split lip to the important points of the narrative, which is that there are "two sets of books" and that the legal system is broken, may I suggest that you are part of the problem. Freedom and Liberty are quickly becoming an archaic concept. 

[blunderdog]

Yeah, but his wife was there, see, and she called the cops.

Maybe she's a crazy bitch, but given that she was there assessing the situation in person and we're just reading a one-sided account of a story from a dead guy, I'd be cautious about any proclamations about how great the guy's parenting was.

[psychobilly]

Read the whole story you ignoramus.  It's later revealed that the only reason she called the cops is because she was coerced by the government apparatchik.

[blunderdog]

Yeah, that's his claim, but that guy just self-immolated.

I'm not 100% on-board with accepting his version of events.

(You believe everything you read and you come here?  Go buy a copy of TIME, you fucking douchebag.)

[knowless]

dude, seriously, there are people who are "mandatory reporters", it's in their job that they MUST report certain types of crimes. it is highly probable that the wife even mentioning it raised the alarm, whether she wanted to or not, and having nothing to do with the severity of the crime, or with her discretion.

he mentions this aspect in his deathbed statement.

[blunderdog]

Valid point, but I don't think I'm in a position to make any definitive claims about it.

Even the author says he smacked his young daughter and cut her lip because she was licking him.  Maybe that was a perfectly reasonable thing for him to do, but I'm having a bit of difficulty envisioning it.

And despite the possible legal status of the wife--if she was a lawyer and really wanted to help him protect his marriage and/or parenthood status and/or whatever, I'd think she might've been able to do something.  Instead, she filed for divorce right after the slap.  That's not something she was "coerced" into, or required to do by law.

If the wife comes out with a public statement about he was totally misunderstood and a real victim of circumstance and unjustly prosecuted and all that, it'd sure lend a great deal of credibility to his suicide note.  If she comes out and says "it was just a matter of time," well...you know.

[iPood]

RIP and the system does suck, but keep your fucking hands to yourself. No child deserves to be disciplined with hitting. It lowers self esteem to the point that self-immolation might be considered a future option.

[JLee2027]

Oh stop. Don't give stupid generic statements like  "No child deserves".

Yes, they fucking do at times. That's the only way they can learn when they push things.  BAM! Don't do that. And it works.

Idiot.

[Cdad]

Exactly.  Lots of folks opining in here on this one...with no idea what they are talking about, but only a vague sense of emotional disturbance with the idea that the fellow used corporal punishment.  Ghast!  The horror!

Only in modern America can something this simple be turned into something supposedly so horrific that the State needed to step in.

Very distrubing, both the story and the reaction to the story here on ZH.

[Tenma13]

My old man used to take the wooden spoon to me and my brother/sister. Totally deserved it. At military school they'd just punch you in the face if you stepped out of line- (not that I was licking anyones hand :P) 

We don't know the full circumstances, had this been a day of hand licking were the daughter had been warned? was it an accidental? As in the daughter had been hand licking, he got frustrated in the moment and slapped her? Or was this his way of justifying to himself of being an a child beating piece of shit? The fact that she was licking his had seems to suggest that she was comfortable around her father... Then again was she really licking his hand?

 If folks had read the whole thing you'd see that he has some incredible insights. 

Still think there are better was to have gone out.... but then no one would have listened to him, so I kind of respect him for it. R.I.P

[iPood]

I certainly respect your opinion, but I'm certain that someone of your caliber would not call me an "idiot" for merely expressing mine, so we can only assume that the word "idiot" at the close of your post was your signature.

[Cdad]

Classic.  You are offended by being called an idiot, and respond by calling him an idiot.  

In the meantime, your "opinion" about parenting is utterly useless...destructive even.  

Per your "opinion," if you told your son not to run out into the road repeatedly, but he was bent on running out there anyway [because children naturally push against boundaries], it would be better to let him get run over than to spank him.  

Or maybe you literally meant "no touching your children."

And even more absurd is the very notion that with one useless and vague statement, you suggest that you know what is best for children all over the world...and all children being exactly the same, of course, your universal rule should apply.

None of this even touches on the fact that, when engaged in parenting, things happen...and they are not always the things we intend.  Actual parenting is difficult and often an emotional endeavor.

I suspect the natural follow through to your vague "opinion" is that the State should, in fact, settle the matter...but you probably don't think much about what that means, the obviously slippery slope that would follow.

Your total and complete lack of actual critical thinking may well put you in the "idiot" camp, but I'll remain satisfied to call you half [at best] educated.  You are certainly part of the problem where modern parenting group think is concerned, as well as the whole notion of surrendering liberty to a tyrannical, legal "opinion" making State.

How's them "opinions?"

[iPood]

If you take the time to read my post, I certainly did not call your boyfriend an idiot; we have reserved that appellation for you! Both of you sound like real tough guys...As he said, "Bam. Don't do that." I bet you can really level your four year olds...show 'em who's boss, right? Who are you to decide just how hard you can slam a kid before an educational tap becomes a crushing blow...especially from the viewpoint of a child? The deceased gave his four-year old a bloody lip for licking his hand. He probably "did not mean to draw blood." That's the whole point. A "hands off" bright line would relieve cowardly cretins like you from having the right to make the "how hard is OK" judgment. And yes, if you cross that line, I believe your shameful ass should be dragged from your home in handcuffs. As I said, keep your fucking hands to yourself.

[Prometheus418]

Bullshit.

My old man was a biker and a survivalist.  He'd get downright nasty when he was drinking, and a split lip would've seemed like a vacation to me some nights.  It went on like that for years, until I finally got tough enough to turn the tables, and then it ended.

Now, we get along fine, and as far as I know, my "self esteem" is perfectly intact- and as an extra bonus, I have the confidence to know, not think, that I can fight in self-defense.

You're just pushing the same old crap that is rotting our country away from the inside.

[iPood]

He busted his four year old daughter's lip for licking his hand. What if she wasn't a tough guy like you who someday could "turn the tables" on him. Maybe calling the cops was the way to "turn the tables" on him, so she did not have endure years of abuse like you did. Do you beat your four year old daughter, since it apparently worked out so well for you? Just because people like you (and me) suffered years of abuse, doesn't mean it's ok to perpetuate that behavior. Being a man means having the courage to try something different. If this country is rotting, by the way, isn't it doing so under the leadership of generations who were subject to corporal punishment?

[Cdad]

iPood

I take it back.  You are a sniveling, self-involved idiot who has no idea the ramifications of the things he says.  You just feel things and react.  People like you are a dime a dozen here in the states.  You don't think at all.  And obviously, you are not a parent.

Your dumbass comment about "self-esteem" pretty much summed you up, because even with something as simple as this you fail...fail to recognize that self-esteem is earned, learned, gained as much through our FAILURES as through our successes...if not more so.

If this country is rotting, by the way, isn't it doing so under the leadership of generations who were subject to corporal punishment?

Umm...no dumbass...corporal punishment has been passe here in the states for about 30 years.  

Being a man means having the courage to try something different.

 Another completely dumbass thing to say.  Really...that is what being a man is?  Are you listening to yourself?

You have chosen the blue pill.  Good for you.  Just don't expect me to buy your bullshit...

And way to go with the continued ad homonym attacks to somehow secure your feeble point.  Nice job short bus.

[iPood]

Umm...no dumbass...corporal punishment has been passe here in the states for about 30 years.  

So, let me get this straight, it's the under-30 year old generation (protected from corporal punishment), who are ruining our country? Or perhaps you are referring to legislation, passed in the last thirty years, designed to protect women and kids. Wouldn't that legislation, by definition, have been passed by persons themselves old enough to have been subect to corporal pusnishment? People like...you? Exactly who are these people who are denying you the right to beat up your kids, and therby destroying the country ? Al Qaeda (no, can't be them, since they don't spare the rod)?  Maybe it's the women...maybe that's the problem...we should have never have given them the right to vote. Or the slaves...fuck all this damn progress!

[Cdad]

So, let me get this straight, it's the under-30 year old generation (protected from corporal punishment), who are ruining our country?

Take your Adderall, buddy.  We were talking about parenting, and the fundamental difference between corporal punishment and child abuse...something you just cannot seem to wrap your ADD riddled brain around.  

Just take your hands off the keyboard and back away slowly already.  

[iPood]

 We were talking about parenting, and the fundamental difference between corporal punishment and child abuse...

Go ahead and spell out the guidelines for me. This is important stuff.  Exactly when does it cross the line from "parenting" to "child abuse" - Is it OK to leave a welt? Only "abuse" if you draw blood? Can you use a strap, a fist, a stick? Is that just "parenting". Above the neck OK, or only body blows? What if one kid has a higher pain threshold than another? Exactly what do you do with your kids, since you keep boasting about your parenting skills? C'mon "Cdad" I'm a former uniformed police officer, and I want to see how you've managed to straddle the line that so many others have (sometimes unintentionally) transgressed over the years. Again, the only bright line is a hardline, and I'll end my input to this discussion where it started --keep your fucking hands to yourself, there are plenty of other ways to intelligently discipline your children.

[Prometheus418]

I'll stop hugging my kids then, too- wouldn't want to be accused of molestation, after all.

The line is this, if you're smart enough to understand.

Discipline is when the adult dispenses a metered amount of punishment that is appropriate to the infraction at hand.

Abuse is when the adult loses control, and exacts revenge.

[Prometheus418]

Yes, I have the courage to try something different.

I know what my comments have been, and I would imagine that they can give the wrong impression, so I am going to lay this out.

I don't beat any children- not my own, and not anyone elses.  I am a huge man with hard hands, and there is almost no way that I could even attempt that without killing a child.  Beyond that, I simply do not want to, knowing how frightening violence from an adult can be to a child.

But, that does not mean I am going to lay down and whimper about the plight of "the children" in defense of a system that is destroying us all.  What I am posting here is in defense of the father that did actually beat me.  He had his reasons, and they were ok, in retrospect.

My grandfather was a Russian Jew whose family moved to Austria way back, and then fled to the US when Hitler rose to power.  He and his brothers immediately joined the US military and returned to Europe to fight upon arrival.  EVERY SINGLE member of my extended family that remained in the old country was killed in concentration camps, as well as all of my grandfather's brothers.  After the war, grandpa renounced his religion and married an Irish woman (as did my father.)  The legacy of the war was in the way he treated his sons.

Every male child in my family since 1945 has been trained, and trained hard, to ensure that this crime is not committed against our bloodline again.  One does not make soldiers with time-outs and treats.  My father continued this with me, and my childhood was one of military discipline.  Punishments were swift, harsh and violent- and I learned more than you can imagine from them.

As I grew, I found that being a producer was more in line with my personality than being a soldier was.  I spent years and years in the trenches of industry, where I was a machinist by day and a construction worker on nights and weekends as a side-hustle.

I have been cut, bruised, broken and poisoned by industry.  Right now, I have more scar tissue than skin, and I will die before I reach the age of 60 because of the toxins and accumulated damage I've taken in the course of earning a living.  No one cared then, and no one cares now.  It's a tough old fuckin' world.

But along the way, I learned a few things.  First, and most importantly, is that you must be tough if you want to survive and prosper.  For some, this is mental toughness- for others, physical toughness is enough.  In the trades, both are required.  We don't get tough by sitting on the sidelines and crying.  Second is that the best and most lasting strength comes from overcoming obsticles to achieve goals- not simply learning to take a beating.  And the third is that no one cares about your rights or well-being, no matter what they tell you.  If you want them, you must stand up for them.

So what do I do with my children?  

I do not hit them.  Not because of some political bullshit, but because it is not required.  I teach them what to value, and then make them decide for themselves whether or not they want to pursue those goals.  I'm an adult, they are children- when it comes right down to it, they are easy enough to outsmart, and I set the agenda.  When they decide they want something, I do not give it to them- I only offer support as they figure out a way to get it for themselves.

Along the way, they fall down.  They get cuts and bruises.  They burn their fingers and tear their clothes.  And most importantly of all, they learn about reality.  They learn that the world is largely impassive, and that you ignore it's rules at your own risk.  When they fall, I pick them off, dust them off, and encourage them to try again.  Those kids push themselves harder and more effectively than I ever could- and more often then not, they get what they want in the end.

A busted lip is nothing.  They do worse to themselves every day to achieve small goals, and every time it happens, they get smarter and tougher.  They don't need the cops, and indeed, can't even imagine a reason to call on them.  One day, your children will call my children "boss" just as every man, woman and child I know calls me "sir."

While we do have a number of mental constructs that confuse us, all men still have a set of instincts that inform us about the nature of the world.  Who are you to claim that, by "superior" intellect or ability, you are somehow morally justified in condemning someone who does not have the mental skills to come up with a better plan to slavery in the service of his own children?  Allowing children to run the household benefits neither them nor their parents.  A simple man enforces his rule with a calloused fist, a smarter man does it with words- but either is better than dad ending up as a cinder in front of the courthouse.

This country is rotting not because of corporal punishment or the lack thereof, but because it has abandoned self-reliance and love of family in favor of rule by "experts" and the absolute willingness to abandon anyone in the pursuit of some fake kind of "happiness."  If the manifesto that spawned this had begun with a frank and honest conversation between mother and father about the correct way to discipline children, rather than a call to the gendarmes, the result would likely have been successful and happy children- not self-immolation.

[AurorusBorealus]

In the 1970s, feminists planned a coup d'etat.  They have written about it.  They have written the history of the movement (See, for Example, the book Daring to Be Bad).  They planned to and successfully took over the cultural institutions (inspired by Lenin, Stalin, and Mao): first media, especially magazines, and through the years the education system, starting with the colleges and universities.  Over the past 40 years, they have effectively gained control of most major American universities through the social sciences and humanities departments (if you have ever spent any time on the inside of one of these departments, then you know that what I am saying is true).

From the universities, where men are openly discriminated against and only feminist believers and sympathizers are hired, a steady-stream of feminist propanganda has changed American law, culture, government, education, and society beyond all recognition, and without so much as one descenting voice.  The changes have been so thorough-going (from out-of-control divorce rates to domestic violence laws to discriminatory hiring practices to women-owned business being a prerequisite for government contracts) that most households and most major social institutions are run by the dictates of women and the feminist movement.  (The best book on the subject of feminist control of the entire education system is The War Against Boys).

The results have been nothing short of disastrous.  As the family and other social institutions have been wrent apart, the nanny state has expanded and government has bankrupted itself: federal, state, and local (for example, for the past 30 years, the cries of more money for education have come from feminists who want state-sponsored day-care to relieve women of all obligations to their children), crime rates and drug addiction have become the norm, poverty has grown, real wages have dropped (as more women entered the work-force), and on and on.

There is no hope for the Americans (or the Europeans who have the same totalitarian, woman-first, bent, though not so bad as the Americans).  So successful has been the quiet revolution of the feminists that nearly all Americans are true-believers of feminist lies.  The fact of the matter is that most women are unhappy working (numerous studies have demonstrated how unhappy American women are).  Feminism and the American gynocracy have been an absolute and unmitigated disaster (except for the few angry lesbians who have cushy jobs turning out second-rate scholarship and controlling the American universities).  Patriarchy and civilization are one in the same.  The family unit is the cornerstone of human society.

Then again, all this was predicted very long ago: the destruction of the family by liberalism.  All you need do is read John Locke, Two Treatises on Government.  You know John Locke, the inspiration for the American founding fathers, the father of modern liberal democratic traditions, the guy who wrote, "All men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights: among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of property."  In Two Treatises, Locke detests patriarchy, indeed his whole liberal democratic political ideas are an attack on patriarchy.  He argues that the most logical outcome of liberal democracy is the destruction of the family and the "liberation" of women.

Congratulations to all who participated in the greatest social and cultural experiment in human history.  You have succeeded beyond the dreams of Stalin or Hitler.  Now the Americans get to eat the fruit that they have born.

[topcallingtroll]

So I guess in your world women are not allowed to leave a marriage without the husband's permission?

And fathers shouldnt be forced to support their children? Just give out more welfare?

Because that seems to be what the fundies are advocating when you cut to the chase.

[knowless]

sorry dude, but your talking points don't hold up. if you want a real discussion on gender issues, then at least respond in context. there are other ways to restructure the legal system beyond reverting to female subservience.

and the current "plight" of women is nothing like it was.

[topcallingtroll]

So I guess in your world women are not allowed to leave a marriage without the husband's permission?

And fathers shouldnt be forced to support their children? Just give out more welfare?

Because that seems to be what the fundies are advocating when you cut to the chase.

[trav7777]

what a walking reductio ad absurdum you are.

He never said any of those things in that post, you fuckin dipshit

[AurorusBorealus]

1) The destruction of the family is both cause and consequence of the welfare state Troll.  If you do not see this, then you are blind to all fact, and there is little point in having any discussion. 2)  Women have never been oppressed any more than men.  To claim such is an absolute and outright lie.  3)  I spent years in American history departments.  The lesbian feminists control nearly all of them: sociology, anthropology, psychology, and the English departments as well.  4)  Historical, if a woman was truly mistreated by her husband she would return and seek refuge with her own family.  They and other appropriate social institutions (such as clergy) would interve as was proper.  Do you not think this is a much better solution than the courts and the state?  If we cannot agree on this point, I fail to see why you frequent zerohedge at all, and we have no common point of reference to even continue a conversation on this topic.

[Tenma13]

mate, have you even been to a social science department? its always hidden behind the business/science/any other department but the SS. Kind of hysterical? Although there are alot of lesbians (not the good kind from the films), maybe they are trying to take over the world?????!?!?!?!?? 

[Hulk]

Aaron Russo's intervew with Rockefeller on Womens lib

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhJCTFZf03A

A must watch...

[svendthrift]

The man should not have hit his daughter.

The punishment was unreasonable. Totally disproportionate.

Two thoughts, both true.

[topcallingtroll]

You have heard one side of a very self serving story.

[Armando Javier ...]

How long have you been sucking on the government tit?

[Cdad]

Well, this sure turned out to be an interesting thread.  It revealed a lot of very much half educated ZH members.  I say half because I know that there are quite a few very smart folk in here.  However, responses to this sad story reveal a lot of brothers that have not yet been educated truly...and by that I mean through the act of raising children.  Because when you are raising children, you don't get away with all of you half cocked theories, pumped up ego, or your sense of self importance.

Anyone who somehow thinks that the State was the best remedy for what happened regarding this father's incident with his daughter falls into this half educated group by default...including all of you who have intact, two parent families but have elected to have day care providers raise your kids for you.  

Get a clue, folks.  Ask yourself, who is more destructive to families than the State?  Had you bothered to read the man's story, you would know that the State is the sworn enemy of the family.

But go ahead and react with the emotions on your sleeve, judge him, and skip the article...because you bear resentment towards your mother for taking the switch to you...or what ever other nonsense drives you to condemn him for slapping his kid.  Grow up and finish your education folks.

[Hulk]

unjunked...

[wisefool]

So are you saying that reading and comenting on this thread is not education?

Between two years of CNBC and ZH I honestly do think I know more about economics than Bernake. Is there a level higher than PhDin economics? I know that for lawyers, you are not done till you get an LLM in taxation.

EDIT: I did not junk you. When I junk I always include that assertion in a/the reply.

[Cdad]

You will become fully educated when you see in your own child the worst parts of yourself taking hold...despite all of your best attempts to moderate the worst in you out of him/her.  That is when you face the mirror, so to speak.

The act of parenting is primarily that of moderating out of them their follies and misconceptions about the world, and additionally such things as lying, sloth, and irresponsibility.  Parenting is NOT what modern Americans now claim that it is...that of just loving the child for who he is.  That is modern BS.

**On your point about economics, if you have done a close study in contrast between CNBC and ZH, then your education on economics is likely near complete.**

[wisefool]

**On your point about economics, if you have done a close study in contrast between CNBC and ZH, then your education on economics is likely near complete.**

toungue in cheek:

So are you saying am I ready to adopt the Bernake & Timmay as my children? I'd encourage them to invite thier freinds over like Barrack, Lloyd, Dimon. I'll even host a foriegn exchange student or two. 

Somebody has to be a grown up in this economy.

[Prometheus418]

Bravo.

[Prometheus418]

We need an Unjunk button.

[Azannoth]

Physical violence should never be used against a child simply because it's counter productive, however there should be an 'allowance' as to how far a parent can go, ripping apart a family is far more destructive to a child than a small bruise or a cut lip 1nce in a while, remember when an adult hits a small child it will always leave a mark because of the difference is size even if the adult didn't mean to hurt, even a push or a shove can hurt a child without any desire to hurt

That a parent is expelled from the house and his marriage is effectively over just over something this trivial is riddiculous, unless this was systematic and not an isolated incident

[topcallingtroll]

You have only heard his self serving version of events. I have never seen a case like this where there was just one " trivial" incident.

[JLee2027]

Stop giving "advice" which is contrary to God's laws on raising children.

[MrButtoMcFarty]

So your god is OK with busting a 4 year old girl's lip for sheer silliness??

Fuck your god and fuck you.

[JLee2027]

When you meet God, you will be without excuse. Good luck with that.

[iPood]

Stop giving "advice" which is contrary to God's laws on raising children.

When all else fails, drag god into it... Don't dare start quoting "God's laws," you worthless sack of shit. Or did you forget: "It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones." (Luke 17:1-2)

[JLee2027]

When all else fails, drag god into it... Don't dare start quoting "God's laws," you worthless sack of shit. Or did you forget: "It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones." (Luke 17:1-2)

Ok, genius now explain what it means (hint: it has nothing to do with raising children)

Here are you Bible verses for children:

Proverbs - Chapter 13:24

24. He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.

Proverbs - Chapter 22:15

15. Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him. (SMACK)

Proverbs - Chapter 23:13-14

13. Do not withhold discipline from a child; it you punish him with the rod, he will not die. (SMACK, SMACK)
14. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death. (SMACK, SMACK, SMACK!)

[iPood]

Quoted directly from "The Christian Forum" website http://www.christianforums.com/t7558725/ Read it and get ready to burn in hell you Bible thumping piece of shit. Now, go beat up your kid, maybe you'll feel better:

Proverbs 13:24 ”He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.”
Literally, this verse reads “restrains his rod” and the whole verse is very much a metaphor for control/setting behavioural boundaries and not necessarily a command from God to routinely use violence as a form of discipline. Not sparing the rod is interpreted in the same verse as discipline, not physical violence.
The meaning of the word discipline rs’Wm muwsar {moo-sawr’}: 1) discipline, chastening, correction 1a) discipline, correction 1b) chastening. In modern Hebrew the word means ethics.

The reality is if you want to say that this verse is a literal command to hit children and that this is the correct interpretation of discipline in this verse, then I ask what do you hit them with? If it is with a wooden spoon, belt, stick, hand or whatever, forget it because you are committed to a literal interpretation of this verse and hence to the tool of physical discipline, you’ve got to use the club!!! This verse cannot be used to justify hitting children in any circumstance because it is a metaphor.

People tell me that they were hit as children and that it did them no harm and they turned out normal… apart from the fact that they think hitting and belting kids is normal behaviour for a much stronger adult! If you hit someone who can’t hit back, that is bullying. It is odd when followers of Yeshua who are committed to his teaching and example of love and respect are some of the very ones who seem to be the keenest to advocate hitting kids. ‘Do unto others as you would have others do to you’!

Children are image-bearers of God and require respect and their human rights preserved even in the course of parental discipline. Yeshua said “It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin [scandalised] (skandalise – σκανδαλιση.” Luke 17:2. Therefore in all things related to child-rearing and parenthood, caution! Ephesians 4:6 advises fathers not to provoke their children to anger, rather to train them up in the way of the Lord. So education not enmity, so please, no violence of any kind in Messianic homes.

[JLee2027]

Spares the rod is not the message and you know it.

No more for you heathen - a waste of my time.

[watchingdogma]

I've never met a mental health professional that wasn't ready to believe what ever the woman said about the man, regardless of the situation.  I guess that makes us even.

[JLee2027]

Physical violence should never be used against a child simply because it's counter productive

This is 1980's do-gooder nonsense. You are supposed to, as parents, raise your children as needed. And this includes REMOVING FOOLISHNESS FROM THEM. Smack them if you need to, hello! 

[Josey Montana]

Those that say "never use physical violence against children" first of all utterly misunderstand "violence" and "discipline" and have never had a disobedient child run into the path of an on-coming car.

I myself played with matches.

Thanks be to God they (the do-gooders) will for the most part never have children.  Those that did have children... well those children are the posters here.  Zombie Apocolypse indeed.  They are the zombies.

[topcallingtroll]

I am tired of all the goddamn welfare babies.

I have to agree with the state on this one. If you help produce a child you will help pay for it or your motherfuckin ass goes to jail.

[JLee2027]

STFU moron

[rsnoble]

And if you get laid off thru no fault of your own?   Going to court and getting repositioned isn't as easy as it sounds.  Then you get behind, go back to work, get every paycheck sucked away......fuck that.

And some of the laws need to be changed, like around here if the bitch marries some rich guy she can still get child support.  In fact, I was working with a guy who paid $1200 month on 2 kids, she married some guy and moved into his 350k house.  He was going off the deepend one day when she called and told him thanks for the new swimming pool.  That really happened, he pretty much lost his mind and went from being a hard worker who showed up everyday to someone that could care less about anything. Can't say I blame him.

[topcallingtroll]

There are too many guys who wont hustle and take whatever shit job is available. If they need some incentive like jail time to impress upon them the importance of supporting their own children, so be it.

[watchingdogma]

My ex was awarded $2738 a month.  I, like the rest of my kind, went into severe debt over the next 3 years.  If I was Joe 6 pack - you would be sending me to jail - instead I found a way to make 3x median income.  That's 3 times the median income.  I'm out of debt - but my story is the exception - the rest of us do, until we can't - then assholes like you send us to jail.  Just in case you missed it - shit jobs don't get you $2738 a month after taxes.

[geekgrrl]

I take it from the ridiculous number of posts you have made on this thread that your masters have you working overtime to calm down all the legitimately disgruntled men on zh.

Nonetheless, as an anti-authoritarian, I find your posts most irritating, and it is illuminating to know you are a psychiatrist/psychologist, a profession more wrapped-up with social engineering and control than any other, including the law. I would tread very lightly here, lest people get the idea you are doing psyops - which is my personal opinion.

And I couldn't disagree more with this particular post. I don't think anyone, man or woman, should be reduced to "take whatever shit job is available" to raise their child. Before the advent of the modern state, and in particular bureaucracy and taxation, raising a child was much less onerous and there was far greater latitude for parents to raise children how parents saw fit. If they did wrong, they would pay the price when the children later abandoned them, forcing them to fend for themselves in their old age. Now, we have "professionals," like yourself, telling us what is proper and what is improper when it comes to raising children, enforcing these beliefs through the courts.

So sure, lock up all these deadbeat dads. Although we have 5% of the world's population, we have 25% of the world's prisoners, and the percentage is climbing every year. Our taxes pay for the prisons also, so this seems to me a false economy.

But you know what I'm really tired of paying for? War(s). I'm tired of paying for guns, missiles, bombers, fighter jets, predator drones, troops, all the oil they use, and all manner of extraordinarily expensive hardware used to kill mainly poor people in other countries. If we took the money that went to TARP to bail out foreign banks, every child in the country could have received almost $9500 (700B/74M, as of 2010 census). And if we took the US "defense" budget, the number would be greater than double that figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States 

But I guess it's more important for the purposes of social engineering and control to make sure that "stick" is ever present and prominent when it comes to any alternatives to those that are considered by the bureaucracy to be "acceptable."

The key insight of this man is that the bureaucracy is an independent force, unelected by the people, who foist their ideas of right and wrong upon the rest of us. People like you.

Disclaimer: I am not a breeder.

[cranky-old-geezer]

One thing I love about lawyers is how they take myopic government-brainwashed assholes like you down.

Your profession is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

I doubt anyone here agrees with a father not supporting his kids.  That's not the issue here.

The issue here is the state violating a father's natural rights, taking his children away, giving custody to a woman who has become his enemy and uses the children as a tool of extortion.

In most cases court-ordered child support far exceeds what it would cost to care for those children if they lived with him or he and his wife stayed together. 

That's the injustice you support.

You say you're overworked.

How much of that caseload burden of maladjusted mentalities comes from split-up homes lacking a father and mother living together in peace and harmony?

You and your profession have done NOTHING to foster families living together in peace and harmony, and EVERYTHING to break up families.

Yes, you and your moral-less profession are part of the problem.  A BIG part of it.

[Prometheus418]

That's precisely why we let my fiancee's ex off the hook.

He needs to do his thing, and support the family he has now- not buy us shit.  Manning up goes both ways.  I was ok with him paying support until I bought her a ring, now they're my family, and he does not have to pay.

[rsnoble]

In my mind that's the way it should be so good for you.  Esp if your like the case in the example where the woman is just using the child support money for toys and doens't even need it.  BTW, I don't even have kids.  This article just kinda hit home as I worked consruction for almost 20 years and of course seen case after case of this, most of the time it seemed unfair.  I'm all for taking care of your kids but let's not get stupid about it. 

I've been married for almost 20 years, she has some issues and now 20 years later so do I lol.  We took care of her elder parents in the home till they passed away, then we took care of my mom now I have dad here who is in a wheelchair.  Don't get the wrong idea, but when dad passes away it will be the equilvalent of having your kids move out for the final time.  Not to mention after all the hell my brother and I put my dad thru when we were kids that's one payback I wasn't interested in.  I have no regrets, if I ever change my mind ill just adopt a kid.

[watchingdogma]

Or - you can just go to jail - because the cops have to arrest someone - and that someone isn't going to be the woman.

[cranky-old-geezer]

And do tell, how long have you been a government leech?

[QQQBall]

His real problem amongst the many others was that he did not have money.

[wisefool]

I can not wait to see what type of child support payments the govenator (Arhnold) is going to be expected to cough up for his love child.

sarc

But of course, it will never get that far. His or the kennedy family lawyers will promise the the maid/mother a lifetime supply of lemon pledge, a handicap parking sticker, and a legacy colledge admission spot at the university of pheonix  and  the maid will waive all child support and penalties.

/sarc

[rsnoble]

Pisses me off when someone capable of such an act takes it out on themselves vs. one or several of the assholes that are a mutual problem for the majority of us.

LOL, we need to start a website that encourages would be suicidal persons to do the rest of us a favor on the way out.

BTW, I have 3rd degree burn scars on 30% of my body and I speak from experience--if you're going to kill yourself you might want to consider something faster and less painful.  Although it does have quit the visual and phycology effect by going up in flames.  Perhaps pop some good drugs and get shitfaced before hand then have some real fun and give some fucking asshole a big hug while you're on fire.

[QQQBall]

Dupe - deleted

[vato poco]

all this talk of what the poor guy 'should have done', and no mentions anywhere of carl drega? wow. i guess the MSM blackouts/thought control program is a little bit more effective than i gave it credit for. once the legal/DV system beats you down so much that suicide is the obly logical way left to you, then you become the most dangerous man on earth: the guy who has nothing to lose, nothing to fear.

at that point, what's the better option? A) kill yourself in the most agonizingly painful way imaginable, or B) do a drega and take some of those who profited by ruined your life with you?

[wisefool]

Junked. This theme is getting pretty repetative. I hope you and everyone else who espouse this are trolling.

"Put your sword back in its place,"

[Prometheus418]

No, "wisefool"

We are not trolling.  If you are not there yet, you will be joining the rest of the group soon enough.  If I had a real and justified target, I would not be chatting here with you, but delivering lead air-mail as we speak.

What is your line in the sand?

[Timmay]

I think a bigger question is, was this self immolation an act of terrorism??

[Onohymagin]

Agree. He welded a pen competently.

[gwar5]

Poor guy. That's sad. The state controls everything already and they think they're just getting started.

Women are a politically protected minority in the USA, even though they are the majority.

Muslims are a politically protected group men should consider joining these days insofar as they are allowed to have as many sex slaves (non-muslim only) as they want, and it keeps you from getting groped by the TSA. And wife beatings and are encouraged as a serious duty to be performed.

/s

[Bagbalm]

The father was harsh. The courts showed him how to do it in spades.

I don't care for either - but I have far more reason to be afraid of the courts.

[mellmeister]

Looks like everybody is eagerly lining up to cast that first stone.

[psychobilly]

Emotional outbursts from people who obviously didn't read the whole article, and parasites living off the horrifying system (e.g., topcallingtroll).

[zerozulu]

Can we call him a suiside b****r, without b**bs?

[Growyourownfood]

The guy hit his daughter. That's all you need to know, end of story, get this shit off the site it lowers your credibility.

[Reese Bobby]

You seem like a real deep thinker; with a delusion of control.

[Growyourownfood]

Anyone who makes a four year old bleed for licking their hand has lost the right to pontificate on how society should or should not function. If you can't agree with that, then we probably don't have much to talk about. Believing in absolute morality is not wrong, it has just been turned into a taboo over the last 40 years, I think due to the elevation of the individual and his freedom above general societal mores and guidelines. That will change though, and soon it will again be OK to unapologetically judge someone for doing heinous, stupid or vapid shit.

[JLee2027]

Aren't you the one to judge! Who the fuck appointed you?

Yeah, there is nothing to talk about, because "your society" is failing as we speak. In 5 years, you will not recognize it anymore because you idiots will be nothing but a bad memory of a failed government social experiment that tried to dominate others with your over-moralizing do-gooder idiotic attitude.  

God makes the rules. Men are free to raise their families AS THEY CHOOSE, not as the Government chooses. Don't like it? Tough.

[Reese Bobby]

Big Brother is out of control:

http://www.volunteertv.com/national/headlines/Mom_pleads_guilty_to_spank...

[Use of Weapons]

Hmm.

Note to crowd, before you go all Vancouver on this story: Engage critical thinking.

#1 He was ex-military, Seargent (Infantry / Marines?) - ergo, probably ingrained into him harsh penalties for disobeying orders. Understandable that he refers to "the second book" of "unwritten rules" that are in play - in his world, there is the coda, the core, the rules, the law, and that is all you fucking maggot. Until you get a star, when it is all politics. Thus Cognitive Dissonance.

#2 Four years old. Not 14. 4. Licking someone's hand is a game, not a behaviour that will cost you, and your friends, their lives. A back hand slap is wrong, and stupid - he needed some therapy, because quite frankly - violence isn't good for 4 year olds. They cannot comprehend the social / linguistic / inter-relational cues you're disciplining them for. Durr. Don't smack puppies for peeing on your carpet, either.

#3 Wife is lawyer - probably more educated than him, and probably worried about what active service did to him [time lines - hmm. Child is 4 - Gulf I? Gulf II? Afgan? Hard to tell - definite combat potential though] and yes, - one of his salient criticisms is that as a lawyer, she has faith in the system [LOL - not a Corporate Lawyer or Criminal prosecutor then, eh?] -- so yes, probably both needed therapy.

#4 Inherent sense of morality / coda / duty hits the modern world of deals, imperfect justice, therapists, mutual interests, and the worst of all - the socio-economic-penal penalties for "not playing by the rules". Top tip: You'll get fucked if you don't know how to play by the rules, or don't know how to play Go.

And so on.

Analysis isn't cheap. But without it, your conclusions are cheap.

tldr;

A soldier died, by his own hand. He leaves three children, and a wife. He served his country. Mourn him, think of ways to change this all too frequent narrative.

[edit - I am inferring his military record from this, and other sources - not verified as of yet, however, certainly a possibility. If not - apologies]

[Cdad]

If this is critical thinking, I'll pass, thank you.  Rather one supposition after another.

About licking, and if his wife had a different set of emotional problems [instead of the problems of having faith in the system and being a lawyer], she could have brought charges that he was some sort of pervert, right?

 in his world, there is the coda, the core, the rules, the law,

And lord knows, we would not want to have any of those.  Certainly, we would not want rules determined by a father. No, no, better to have a happy set of county guidelines, to be sure.  Or maybe just trials of public opinion...whatever that is at the time.  We could make a reality based television show that would judge parents, their parenting, their mistakes, and settle things that way?

All in all, the critical thinking of someone who has no idea what he is talking about...which is your right, of course.  But not this father's right...right?

[Use of Weapons]

Hmm, ok. So hitting a four (4) year old child for licking your hand three (3) times hard enough to break their lip is ok? Something any father should be able to mete out as head of a family?

Oh, and the coda / core / rules / law was referring to his military (hierarchical) training. Derp.

But wait.. Lol. Ok, oops. Forgot the audience are bat shit crazy insanely puritanical fucktards in America.

I go back to trolling you nauw. Supposition was admitted, in that he (almost) claimed to be military, and it is looking that way - otherwise, tbh, without that small excuse at why he's mentally a bit fucked - he's just a fucking drama queen tool that shouldn't have bred.

QQ.

[knowless]

look man, your imagination has a bruised and beaten little girl with a tooth through her lip. but think, why the fuck would she be playing a game like that if he beat the shit out of her constantly?

it could have been reflexive(unintentional).

none of us know.

and your summation of the incident is derived from his account.

i'm not saying what (is perceived)he did was right, or not deserving of consequence. but i don't think it deserved the destruction of his family by the state.

may the punishment be suitible to the crime.

[jmc8888]

The guy was a psycho, but with some valid complaints.  His sensational end, does not change the facts inherent in his complaints, nor the errors in judgments he made in his actions in life and rationale to cause his own death.  He was no better than what he railed against, but that does not mean he didn't have a valid point.  Man can be good or evil, both, and anywhere in between, even multiple places at once.  He was both very right and very wrong.

The 2nd set of books is a very good description of a part of what's he rightly points out is wrong with this country.

The debt commission was a fascist farce, and obviously the guy didn't realize that killing people (in actuality through implementation) for fraudulent debt is the wrong way to approach the disaster we see unfolding.  In essence he says throw out the current gov't, and pass laws that would kill an equal number of people for fraudulent debt.  He missed the point, and gave his life to miss it. Whoops.

He was at the end of his rope, needlessly, which explains his actions, but it does not mean he was right.

1. Fraudulent debt is fraudulent debt, it must not be honored.

2. Bogus laws and bogus 2nd book procedures and policies based off sophistry, should also not be honored.

But we also need to understand that everything must be looked at through a viewpoint which accurately describes what they are.  Know what sophistry is, and how to spot it on all levels, or suffer a fate based off faulty thinking.

Glass-Steagall takes care of the first, in majority.

The 2nd can only be done through our system, even if it ends up replacing much of what is our current system.

If people follow his recommendations, they would end up in a worse place then we currently are.  But if we take what parts he gets right (the 2nd set of books; and while he didn't use the word, the approved sophistry used in lieu of law to set de facto laws through procedures must be abolished. [as well as passing the buck]), then we add more tools to resist our growing oppression. 

Perhaps if he had realized that a 2nd set of books WAS based on sophistry, he would have gone down a better path.  He was trying to help galvanize support for a bullshit, sophistry idea that has no chance in hell of working, and at considerable needless human cost and advocated many others to go down his path for it. 

Do not go down his path, it was the incorrect one.   However with how many people are being stressed, it is not unexpected that many people would fall into his boat.  The way sophistry has infected all aspects of our life, people are confused on just about all levels.  The best approach is to realize this and change before most are in his boat, and if we don't, more and more will needlessly fall into it, become confused like him, and we would have an insurrection, in which what we replace is no better than what it replaced.

What he gave us was a better knowledge of the 2nd Set of books, and questioned correctly the legality of them.  He could of found a better way to express it, and one that did not need to involve calls of revenge with a 'damn it all' mentality.  In the end he's guilty of succumbing to the same sophistry he chastised rightly at others for making bullshit laws and procedures that oppress us.  What a waste. 

The only way to guarantee we get something better, is to work within our system, not to recklessly tear it down and expect everything to work out fine like a well tuned plan, without having one.  Every point must be contested on real grounds, a tear up of much of people's misplaced life's work, spanning generations, and no shortcuts based on sophistry can be taken to get out of this mess.  What we need is to replace the sophistry inherent in our current laws, and that means literally a century of work needs to be done in a short period of time. 

Glass-Steagall

The rest is a case by case basis of legality based on natural law.  We have a brilliant constitution, and that gives us a tremendous head start and base from which to rebuild. We also are in our nature capable of figuring the rest out, as long as we don't self-destruct ourselves to the point of making things incomprehensible along the way.  His plea is dangerous in that his viewpoint is part of what makes things tougher in figuring out the real way out, and people better realize that.

To expect either number one or two to be accomplished with a 'damn it all' mentality is pure lunacy.  So I say, thanks for the input, and good riddance. 

[Prometheus418]

Jmc8888-

You seem to be at least a little calmer than me, and I could use a little help.

My lady is facing one of the Morgue's lawyers on Monday, and we cannot afford a lawyer, so I am crafting the defense.

The case in question is related to an old credit-card balance from her previous marriage which has been inflated from less than $1000 to better than $3000 through the use of fees and late charges.  We can't really afford wage garnishment, so that is what I am primarily fighting.  I know we can't win based on the legal gobbledy-gook, so my intention is to persue the avenue of debt repudiation based on TARP bailouts paid to JP Morgan/Chase et al.  

Based on your point #1, and your advocacy of Glass-Stegall, I'd appreciate any help you can offer to a pro se legal defense.  Who knows, it may even make a difference!

You can contact me, if interested, using the ol' DoChen "G-mail me" technique.  

[nuscorb]

His observation that there is The First Set of Books and The Second Set of Books is insightful. Too bad he did not learn  of the existence of the "Zero-th" set, known as Natural Law throughout the ages, which is more or less equivalent to the logical implications of the Non-Agression Principle: 

"No one may threaten or commit violence ('aggress') against another man's person or property. Violence may be employed only against the man who commits such violence; that is, only defensively against the aggressive violence of another. In short, no violence may be employed against a non-aggressor." -- Murray Rothbard

It's much shorter than any set of books, everyone can understand and remember it, and it's really the only law we need because no matter what the issue is that we want to resolve, ultimately we want the solutions to be consistent with the NAP.

The laws we have now are full of contradictions, and there are so many laws that not even the best lawyers can possibly know what the law actually says. It is a horrible mess that makes justice almost impossible. Our judicial system has been hijacked by lawyers for their own short-sighted interest, we need to take it back and restore justice to society if we are to have a society at all.

[zenblkboi]

the funniest thing about this suicide note,  is that third-wave feminism is all about understanding how men are treated under the unequal system of gender oppression. It's called masculinity studies.  Half the stuff he complained about is discussed in books like this-  check out Susan Faludi.

But I would agree, i think people are just fed up, and it just takes one more thing to set people off.

[JLee2027]

Man is head of his family. None of us can judge his actions correctly, only God can, and only God should.

That is the law.

[Smokey1]

What we have here is a textbook case of "Lifestyles of the Inbreds".

There is a father who gets his rocks off by slapping his innocent child.

Then there is the whore mother who calls the law, undoubtedly in an attempt to roll him under the bus so he will have to financially support her while she gets gang banged by Leroy and pals on the local inner city high school basketball team.

And finally, this burned out loser writes a pathetically ignorant final statement in a desperate attempt at justifying a squandered life that was wasted because he chose to slap the fucking shit out of his innocent daughter, hard enough to cut her.

Cry me a fucking river.

[JLee2027]

And you are perfect and know everything. 

What happens when the feminazi's attack you? They hate all men, want to dominate and destroy. Are you going to cry a fucking river? Or stand up like a man?

[Smokey1]

Tell you what.

When parents physically abuse their children, occasionally they get caught. And when they get caught, occasionally they pay the price.

I'm not worried about feminazis attacking me because I've never had a problem with women, or for that matter children. I guess that's because I don't slap the fucking shit out of them.

I can guarantee you that there was far more to the story of this deranged dead asshole than was included in his farewell letter.

There is AT LEAST two sides to every story, and three sides to many of them.

[JLee2027]

When parents physically abuse their children,

And who the fuck are you to decide what "abuse" is? That is your whole problem! It's not up to you!!!!!

I've never had a problem with women,

Idiot.  You don't have to create the problem. They are the problem looking for you.

[Smokey1]

"Man is head of his family. None of us can judge his actions. And none of us should. Only God can judge his actions."

That may well be the stupidest fucking statement I've ever read on this forum, and I've read thousands.

You must stink like shit, because it's a mortal lock that you don't shower. Because you are too fucking stupid to shower without drowning. Who the fuck ties your shoes in the morning, Dumbass?

And just how the fuck do you think that the documented cases of thousands of men who abuse their families, get prosecuted? Because, according to you, noone can judge the men, only God.

Do you think that all the men who break the law just turn themselves in voluntarily? JFC, you are one fucking retarded mongoloid.

[prole]

Smokey I think you have some unresolved anger issues.

[Smokey1]

Your mom thinks otherwise.

[BlackholeDivestment]

 Smokey Screwing Smokey offers no image to contrast any Vampire. Try abstaining, it's easier to walk through the valley, Vladimir.

[JLee2027]

"Man is head of his family. None of us can judge his actions. And none of us should. Only God can judge his actions."

That may well be the stupidest fucking statement I've ever read on this forum, and I've read thousands.

Happens to be the law of God. Don't like it? Tough.

You are beyond help. Goodbye.

[cranky-old-geezer]

Happens to be the law of God. Don't like it? Tough.

Then why isn't this alleged "God" enforcing it?

[JLee2027]

Is this a trick question?

[cranky-old-geezer]

Straightforward question.  Why isn't your alleged "God" enforcing his / its alleged law?

Is he / it too weak to enforce it?  Lot's of talk but no action?  All bark and no bite? Not a real "God" after all? 

Do tell us why he / it isn't enforcing said alleged law.

[Rhodin]

Remenber the "castle" doctrine?  It is based on the Bible.  Basically he is saying that all of what we call "family law" is invalid.  ie. frontier family law circa 1870 is close to what he is advocating.

I disagree with him.  But it is a valid point of view. 

Delegating the responsibility to government doesn't work.

[Smokey1]

It is NOT a valid point of view. It is a point of view which encourages parental abuse. It is a point of view which ignores the reality of untold thousands of cases through the years of parents abusing their children. It is a point of view from a misguided asshole who mistakes words in a fairy tale for spiritual truth.

[Rhodin]

I was one of those who suffered violent parental abuse starting at age 5, so i am unable to ignore that "reality".  It was violent enough that, if i had called the police, even back then,  my father would have gone to prison, and most of my siblings to foster care.  I chose to keep silent.  Even at age 5  through age 12 (when i finally made him stop it) i knew better than to trust the state.

Who is to say the current system is better?  It looks much worse to me.  The the damage done to families by "misguided assholes" that run and feed off of the family court system is not mitigated by having it justified by academia.  The damage done to personal independence by creating millions of serfs out of the wreckage of broken families is hardly conducive to liberty.

Why would a voluntary parallel church run system be worse?  It would be hard for a church system to exceed the per capita damage of the current system, (even if they were trying to!).  Not to mention keeping the cost in the church.

All authoritarian rule will be abused to some extent.  The larger the system the more likely and widespread are possible abuses.  Thus i favor an independent individually designed family contract approach.  Nevertheless i see a voluntary church system option as an improvement on what exists, regardless of which mythology they believe in.  Either way, if liberty is to endure we must pull control of the family back from the state.

[zenblkboi]

Yes, !!! thank you !!

[prole]

We wail and moan because from Tehran to Jalalibad women have to wear the chador. Well the joke's on us boyz because in the  Occupied Territories of America men wear the chador. Oops let me cover up my hair here...

[Save_America1st]

if you read that guy's letter you'd get the irony of this post showing up on Drudgereport tonight:

http://www.volunteertv.com/national/headlines/Mom_pleads_guilty_to_spanking_own_child_124072014.html

Judge has harsh words for Mom before sentencing her for spanking her kid

"You don't spank children today," said Judge Jose Longoria.

[slewie the pi-rat]

"spanking judge" spanks spankers

[BlackholeDivestment]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3WwTLYNSec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5PoIrcyd34

...poor kids.

[Bazza McKenzie]

ZH, thanks for posting this article.

Tom Ball, American hero, a man who chose to sacrifice himself in what he knew was going to be a terribly painful way, not out of desperation, but in order to take a stand for his country and his children.

The note he left is lucid, articulate and well researched as he laid out what he had learned, from inside the machine, that the rule of law has been junked in America (and most of the West) and how.

I doubt most of those responding on this site could write as well informed and carefully argued an analysis, on any matter, as he left.

He also had the self-discipline to not kill any of his antagonists, rightly realizing that would convert his death into a story about "another murderous man".  Instead, in pursuit of a just cause, he did not attack his enemies physically but through his story and his own death.

For those imbeciles fixated on the fact (as he reported) he smacked his young daughter when she refused to stop doing what he had told her not to, I certainly remember being smacked by my parents and caned by teachers for naughty behavior. I definitely didn't like it then but it altered my behavior. With hindsight I know the effect on me was benefical rather than the reverse, and done for that reason.

But whatever you think about corporal discipline for children, most of his missive is about the way authority works in America, disregarding the principles of the rule of law, and the impact of this first on men, then on their children and women, and on the economy and society as a whole.

If you have analytical data to refute his analysis, fine, let's hear it but not abuse of a man who had served his country in the military, from a line that had previously done so and was prepared to buttress his case with his own horrific death -- which I doubt any of his detractors will be willing to emulate.

Anyone unprepared to pay the man honor for the sacrifice he has made is but a grub.

[blunderdog]

The bar for "hero" is pretty fuckin' low in your world, dude.

[Bazza McKenzie]

The analytical data and logic you have mounted for your retort says it all and is truly matched by the articulate way in which you express yourself.

[Prometheus418]

No.

"Hero" is one of the saddest and most abused words in our language today- where once, it meant a man who faced his fear of death and went on in the face of it to oppose tyranny, it now applies to anything from a handicapped kid who rolls a bowling ball down a ramp to a bug who doesn't have the sense to move out of it's meadow when someone wants to build a shopping mall.  Hell, an octogenarian who smoked two pack of Luckies a day for 50 years and doesn't complain about lung cancer is now considered a "hero."  Pfffft.

When I think of a hero, I want to see nobility, strength and the overcoming of real obsticles- not just being in the right place at the wrong time.

[blunderdog]

"Articulate" means clear.  I don't think I can make it any clearer.  And if you think facts and data have anything to do with the expression of a purely subjective opinion, you don't really understand science either.

Derp derp.

[BernankeHasHemo...]

Nothing surprising about any of this. The US and its political subdivisions are run by criminals for criminals. It's a good thing that they will cease to exist in their present form in the next decade but I'll be out of the country and no longer caring about any of it.

[slewie the pi-rat]

No Smoking, BiCheZ!

[foofoojin]

The second set of books is very very real.

[Incubus]

Gimme a break:  People have been beating their kids for thousands of years, and look at how far civilization came up to that point: it's only within the last decade or so that this bullshit really took on a life of its own. When I was growing up, if I fucked up, I got my ass beat. Whatever happened to that?  Way to go pussification of society.  in short:  Save your children--beat them when they fuck up.

[cranky-old-geezer]

My story starts with the infamous slapping incident of April 2001.

No, his story begins with 21 years in the military, a career military man.  Anyone spending 21 years in the corrupt American military is going to come out mentally deranged with all manner of mental disorders.  That's where his troubles begin.

It goes downhill fron there.  Corrupt-military-instilled personality disorders rendering him unfit for fatherhood.  Brainwashed (vindictive?) wife.  Police playing judge (violation of due process).  Corrupt DV/DR system violating his rights as a father.  

He ends the misery via immolation.  So what.  Other men end the misery with a gunshot to the temple. 

[Reptil]

America's "Tunesia moment" buried in details. Amazing...

[BlackholeDivestment]

Who ...are ...we?

...some ...say ...Hell ain't a real place

others... set themselves on ...fire.

I saw the fire

in the children's eyes

The mark of their father

People walking by

Go through the doors of judgment

like before

 noticed the fire

on the floor

..some say  ...Hell ain't a real place

here it is

here it is

staring everyone right in the the face.

...oh ho ho ...oh ...the children

no no no

it's too late

Who can deny?

Hell is under their feet

Oh some say Hell ...ain't a real place

...others light themselves on ...fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ATj0DG-W4

[speconomist]

Because she licked his hand? Come on ...

[theprofromdover]

Every opinion under the sun, perhaps all the commenters are representative of society as a whole.

In which case we are in deep trouble.

There are a million ways to be cruel to children, slapping, threatening, intellectually bullying, intimidating, denying privileges, brainwashing.

Who knows what the slap meant to him, or his child? It certainly contributed to monumentally disastrous effects on the family.

So much about what he wrote should ring alarms bells to the rest of us however.

But perhaps we shouldn't judge him or his wife or whoever, on an incomplete reading of the facts.

So why didn't he torch the building, rather than himself? 

He tells us to do it and maybe he was trying, so would the mass view of him be different if he had succeeded?

[trainrobbery]

While this was definitely a tragedy, I'm very interested in his math on the correlation between homelessness and domestic violence.  I DO know that  a strong correlation was found between the passage of No Fault Divorce laws and homelessness (mostly on the woman's side).  This would be the other side of that discussion, which is really interesting.

That being said;

America only gets the government we deserve, so if we deserve better we need to actually be better.

[HungrySeagull]

We have no kids therefore this does not concern us.

However....

What is said and done in the bedroom stays in the bedroom. Generations in our families have done the same. And it will continue.

Ultimately they are going to have to replace the sidewalk. And maybe the Courthouse before the Government as well gets replaced.

There is one sentence I heard a Preacher say one night....

A man can rage and burn for an hour at the Stake. However God's Anger is enternal.

Ponder that.

Children are among the most dangerous because they have not been chained by anything that says they cannot do this or that. They just do.

And that friends is why Children do things very well that most of us hardened adults could never do.

Live Free or Die Free. You cannot take away the choice of a Free Citizen to live or die and how. Unless you imprison them naked with two sets of eyeballs on them day and night without any means of suicide at hand.

You cannot possibly do that to millions. However the Government is doing and are making it happen. The rest of us sit idle and do nothing to change. Then shame on us.

When you realize as this man did, that you are finished here... only Clarity will arrive to you and why. Then you are unencumbered and are free to do however you thought best as you removed yourself from this world when no other option is present.

It takes only one. That scar on the sidewalk should be a reminder to us all who are still confused by everything today in the USA.

Remember the Shop Keeper in Tunisia who started the Arab Spring some time ago? he took himself out publicly saying with clarity why. The rest of the Arab world plunged into Revolt.

[headless blogger]

I checked CNN to see if this story had been run and it was not. The MSM hopped all over that Tunisian man burning himself.

It is important to get this story out, I think. The message was for man and woman equally. I didn't really get the sense that he was angered so much at the wife, but the SYSTEM itself. He even seems to imply early on that the marriage was already going down hill and he did not seem to upset about that.

People need to also beware of Mental health organizations. They are probably 95% scam. I don't think I know one person that has ever been really helped by counseling. Seems they just want to find a disorder label to slap on people so they can medicate them.

[IQ 101]

It sounds like this guy was busting his ass for his wife and kids and country for decades and discovered that he was only treading water,he began to SNAP.

The outburst with his daughter obviously bothered him severely,(he had lost controll).

The system that kept him down then turned on him to enrich itself further at his expence.

He uses the word Collaborators quite frequently and quite rightly.

Anyone who takes an OATH to uphold the US constitution and then proceeds to trash it, is a Collaborator with the Wall street/corporate take over of the USA.

The ZH response to this article speaks for itself.

Collaborators are anyone who knowingly supports the illegality afoot,

DMV workers, Social workers,Lawyer, Judges, Congressmen,

All will be held accountable for lining there pockets at the expense of the country.

The Constitution is widely available and MUST become required reading for any government employee, Military, pot hole repairmen and Senators alike.

The enemy does have a face, It is collaborators, it is your neighbor who works for an out of controll goverment.

The weapon against them is not violence, it is Shame and Embarasment,

How can anyone stoop so low as to work against the overwhelmingly decent people of the United States? Oh yeah! retire at 52 while your unborn grandchildren are ruined before birth.

Scum baaaaaaaaags.

[headless blogger]

What is really freaky about the STATE regarding split up couples is that even if a woman does not seek child payments and at some point she gets aid from the state in one form or another, the STATE will take it upon themselves to find the father and send him a bill for the tab she ran up...EVEN if it is only one months worth of aid. THEN the STATE will take it upon themselves to go after the man for back child support if they haven't paid any.

How do I know? it happened to us. We got letters from some state department, and back arrears bills for $20,000. We both wrote letters telling them we did not want their "service", and only the one months worth of "aid" had to be paid back. Luckily both of us are not vindictive to each other...not so for other couples. A more greedy lady may have said "wow, $20,000! Yes, go get him and the money".

Point is, the state will get involved even when nobody has asked them!!