Guest Post: Oil Juggernaut Unleashed

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Submitted by Giordano Bruno of Neithercorp Press

Oil Juggernaut Unleashed

The prevalence of crude is undeniable. You might dabble in
green-think cultism or you might drive an obnoxious monolith of a Hummer
(what I like to call an “overcompensation-mobile”), but neither
philosophy of consumption dares to contradict that this world runs on
oil. Petroleum is used in the manufacture or shipping of almost every
industrial product on the planet, and even many agricultural goods.
Therefore, it behooves the public to seriously consider the
ramifications of oil price and its underlying effect on the entirety of
our economy. Even minor increases holding over an extended period of
time cause economic reverberations that can be felt for years
afterwards. Financial and social adjustments to commodity inflation can
sometimes take decades if the event is historically unprecedented.
Petroleum is a foundation ingredient, it is energy itself; the higher
its cost, the greater the cost of every other product we use, and the
worse off our financial structure is. Period. There is no scenario yet
experienced by any nation in which oil inflation actually benefited the
masses or the overall economy, even in countries that sell oil!

Americans have had a small taste of the tensions involved in an oil
crisis, during the 1979-1980 Iranian snafu, and the massive gas spike of
2008, but these events are nothing compared to the steamrolling
inflation we are soon to see at the pump in the next couple of years.
Let’s examine why…

OPEC Ready To Let Oil Run Wild

At the writing of this article, oil stands at around $91 a barrel,
still below our prediction during the summer of $100 by the end of 2010,
but already a 30% increase over the $70-$75 average we enjoyed in the
middle of the year. Anyone who believes that prices will even out or
fall over the course of 2011 should take note of the heavy press
coverage on the statements from OPEC representatives over the past
couple months. The Middle East has made it quite clear this winter that
$100 a barrel is not just possible, it is a certainty:

The illusion underlying the OPEC statements, however, is that the
current price rise is completely under their control. This is not the
case. In fact, the nearly $150 a barrel plateau we witnessed in July
2008 will seem like a quaint memory not long from now, primarily because
the factors involved in today’s petrol valuation are much more systemic
and violent; rooted in a snowballing devaluation of Western currencies,
instead of the traditional influences of supply, demand, or even

The recent comments of Kuwait’s oil minister that “the global economy
can withstand $100 oil” are, of course, also disingenuous on a couple
levels. First, the global economy is in dire straights and riding the
wave of a convoluted “recovery” built on fiat and fantasy. $100 oil
will only bring the illusion crashing down as the public realizes the
true effects of long term inflation in prices, and the sales of goods
begin to falter even further than they already have. Second, oil will
NOT stay at $100 for very long, so the suggestion that we can
“withstand” such a price is rather irrelevant. Essentially, OPEC is
losing its ability to reign in or stabilize gas at a reasonable cost due
to the crumbling dollar, and so, they have decided to raise rates to
offset dollar devaluation while attempting to change the definition of
what “reasonable cost” is. They admitted as much back in October:

The key here is the dollar and its inevitable demise, which the
establishment is trying desperately to hide until the last possible
moment. Over the next year we are likely to be buried in a deluge of
excuses, half-truths, and lies, all meant to divert attention away from
the word “inflation” as the masses begin to question just what the hell
is going on.

The Real Reason You Were Robbed At The Pump

Many factors can determine the ascent of gas prices, and this is
where confusion arises in today’s market, and propaganda begins to take
root. In 2008, the historic march of oil costs was blamed primarily on
“speculators”, commodity investors who buy up petroleum with no
intention of actually using it, thereby creating a false sense of
scarcity in the market and driving up prices artificially. This was,
for the most part, what really happened.

Another cause of oil increases is the natural reduction of global
supply in the face of rising demand. An American economy running on all
cylinders would necessitate greater supply and a higher price if that
supply is insufficient.

Essentially both triggers are dependent on the fact of scarcity,
engineered or legitimate, in order to cause price spikes. Neither
trigger is applicable in today’s market, where currency weakness is the
central determinant, yet these are the arguments we are hearing and will
hear more of as we are fleeced at the pump through dollar devaluation.
Below are a few MSM articles which promote the supply/demand tall-tale,
including announcements by the IEA (International Energy Agency)
claiming that economic rebound is the culprit:,0,6876017.story

The “recovery” argument in terms of oil demand is obviously laughable
to those of us in the Liberty Movement and alternative economic
research, but to those who base their entire view of our financial
health on the meanderings of the Dow, recovery certainly seems

The truth is that the stock market is the LEAST reliable indicator of
economic strength, especially during major fiscal downturns. The Great
Depression was blatant proof of this, but the smoke-and-mirrors magic
show has been elevated to a new level today by the introduction of
quantitative easing measures by the Federal Reserve. Most intelligent
financial analysts have been crying foul for a couple years now over
these monopoly money injections, and have pointed out that a substantial
portion of the funds are being pumped into stocks in order to create a
zombie market; a kind of “Night of the Living Dow”, a market that has
diminished real investment and relies almost solely on constant
formaldehyde-like fiat transfusions from the Fed and the government.
In fact, Charles Biderman of the investment research firm ‘TrimTabs’
recently announced on CNBC (of all places) that after two years of
investigations into capital inflows into stock markets, his conclusion
was that retail investors have quit stocks, and the only thing holding
up the Dow today is the Federal Reserve itself:

This shows that the stock market indexes cannot be trusted to glean
proper information about recovery (or a lack thereof), but what about
other indicators? The Consumer Metrics Growth Index, produced by the
Consumer Metrics Institute, is a proven leading indicator of GDP and of
market movements. Its accuracy is owed to its close tracking of
consumer spending, not just in retail stores, but also web sales.
Consumer spending makes up about 70% of the U.S. economy, and is thus a
much more reliable litmus test for overall financial health than
manufacturing data, which is what the government has been using to gage
current growth and future trends since 1937 (back when manufacturing
actually counted for something in this country). This means that the
Consumer Metrics method is far more up to date with the functions of the
modern American economy. According to the CMI index, the U.S. has been
on a negative growth curve since the end of 2009 which is equal in
severity to the credit collapse of 2008, but much longer and more

As you can see in the chart above, whatever recovery we thought we
had in progress during 2009 ended quite abruptly, a temporary jump in
economic activity likely inspired by the printing press free-for-all
initiated by the banker bailouts. How many trillions were pulled out of
thin air and dumped into corporate banks and stocks just to conjure
than one short lived moment of false hope? We still haven’t received
total disclosure from the Fed on this, nor will we until a full audit is

Remember housing values? That vital gauge of U.S. economic health
that mainstream media pundits have been calling a bottom on every month
for the past two years? Well, prices still haven’t bottomed yet, and
now they are expected to decline continuously through 2011:

What about durable goods? That market should be hopping if a rebound
is in progress, right? Nope. Durable goods are experiencing a
substantial decline, similar to that which occurred during the plunge of
late 2008 and early 2009:

So, to get to the point (as if it is not painfully obvious); there is
no recovery! I don’t care how often CNBC, MSNBC, FOX, or CNN, pull
skewed data and automaton analysts from their ghastly dungeon of
disinformation, the fundamental dysfunctions of the American economy
remain unchanged. Therefore, it is outrageous to insinuate that a
“recovery” is to blame for rising oil prices.

The next natural step in the rebound contention is to suggest that it
is actually a heightened demand in the burgeoning economies of
developing nations like China that is driving crude values to the max.
That would be a clever redirection IF one could show that Chinese
economic policy was having a meaningful effect on crude markets. In
reality, the latest Chinese policy changes (which effect the consumption
and demand of the entire country) have had little sway over most
commodities, including oil.

A perfect example is the recent surprise Christmas announcement by
China that their central bank would be raising interest rates yet again
in a vain attempt to combat price inflation. Rate increases usually
signal to global investors that capital flows will tighten, and less
money will be available in the system, meaning demand will fall and so
will prices. Mainstream pundits for the most part called for a negative
effect on commodities, especially oil. No such effect occurred. In
fact, gold has spiked in value and oil has held strong at $91 a barrel.
If Chinese demand was the primary cause of oil inflation, then such an
announcement should have made some kind of visible impression on crude,
but nothing came of it…

Oil consumption in the U.S. imploded in 2008, 2009, and 2010:

Oil consumption around the world suffered a severe decline in the third quarter of this year:

OPEC has stated that there is no supply shortage and that wells will
run at current capacity. The data seems to support their claim. There
is no scarcity of oil, and demand has only fallen over the past three
years. So, what is causing crude values to rocket towards $100 a

There Will Be Blood

Since oil is widely traded in dollars, it is perhaps the commodity
most sensitive to dollar inflation. If supply and demand (real or
imagined) are not the acting players in the current oil climb, then we
are left with only one other option; currency devaluation. As we have
covered in past articles, commodities across the board are tearing
towards historic highs, while global demand for goods continues to fall.
Oil is no exception. Establishment economists in the U.S. and in most
of Europe have avoided the dollar collapse issue like Lyme disease, but
other nations around the world will not. OPEC has been expressing
concerns over dollar weakness and openly suggesting dropping the dollar
peg since 2007:

In 2008, the U.S. government was fully aware of discussions by Arab
nations to depeg from the dollar and move to a basket of currencies
(think SDR’s), and even “greenlit” such decisions by suggesting we “did
not necessarily need Gulf support for our currency”:

In an investment conference in Saudi Arabia in 2008, Alan Greenspan
himself suggested that Gulf States would be better off dropping the

In 2009, writer for The Independent, Robert Fisk, reported that he
had received insider information that OPEC nations along with China,
Russia, Japan, and France, were engaged in rather clandestine meetings
in an effort to drop the dollar for international oil trades:

Little credence was paid to this report by most of the MSM, but today
China and Russia have already dropped the dollar for all bilateral
trade. How long would it take to position a country to decouple from
the dollar, from planning phase to implementation? Two to three years
perhaps? With the Federal Reserve’s QE2 in full swing, I believe OPEC
nations will soon follow. The dollar peg would otherwise ravage export
dependent countries, especially oil producers.

Extreme oil prices pummel more than just our wallets; they also
strike our cultural psyche. Those people who found a way to ignore the
signs of economic collapse until now will discover that they cannot
avoid the icy reality of the gas pump. When those digital dials spin
past the $5 mark before pouring out even one gallon of unleaded, I
suspect people will be generally pissed. This is why the establishment
media is oozing with oil disinformation and demand rhetoric now. It is
an attempt to “vaccinate” the masses against inflation in the future; to
redirect their anger towards a false cause and effect scenario. It has
long been my concern that the speculation induced gas spike of 2008
was, in fact, a deliberately engineered event; a staged price vault
meant to condition Americans to passively tolerate the very real dollar
disintegration and hyperinflation which would eventually occur later
down the road. When crude prices race towards $150 a barrel once again,
does anyone really doubt that the MSM will bring up “speculators” as
the villain? And, more importantly, does anyone doubt that the rest of
the world will blame the actual trigger; the fading Greenback?

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gwar5's picture

The necronomy is just fine!

Malcolm Tucker's picture

Yes it is "just fine". After all, there couldn't be anything wrong with a system that lets 

ONE SECRET SENATOR derail a government whistleblower protection act that everyone else voted for:

Oh and Germany is considering Israeli style profiling! Talk about flashbacks! WTF!


CitizenPete's picture

Simply more fundamentalist state tyranny packaged in a gift box with a security blanket and a toxic pacifier.  Stay warm and suck it.

Husk-Erzulie's picture

wtf?  Now that is interesting indeed.  Since when do Senate rules include the "secret hold" I wonder?

benburnyanki's picture

Miss Merkel must give a horendously terrible blow job to the Israelis since she has had to cough up so many free shiney new u-boats that Israel uses to threaten the rest of the world to do what Mossad says or big I will nuke them. I am so sick of Israel beating up Germany like their bitch after the Rothschilds (Israel was funded by Rothschilds in 1930 so a Rothschild is on the Israeli 500 shekal dollar bill - not a dead president). Not only that, Rothschilds funded Hitler via BIS Swiss bank the full length of war to keep Nazis going 6 years to scare all the Jews in to trying to grow crops in their new home Israel that Big R had just bought them. No jew is stupid and they would never have moved to Israel and started shooting Arabs who's Sharia Law forbids Interest Lending, but Makes Big R Big Bucks.

So not only is Oil spikes bullshit, but every major economic and political event is a con job and u need look no further than Big R's Big Nose to find the culprit. The R's own all shares in all oil firms via secret offshore irrevocable trusts sheeple.

London's Rothschild banking beatches have been chaining up the Fed and ECB and BofE to the po' folk who have no money in the bank earning interest for 800 years since banking was invented in Italy. What an astonishing coincidence that England has been running point man against all wars against Arabs ever since as Arab Sharia Law forbids Interest Lending.

The Rothschilds are the Jew Mafia Dons. Jewish/Russian Mafia has taken over the world and especially the USA. All Bush's cabinet was Jewish. Hollywood is Jewish Mafia controlled. Banks are Jewish Mafia controlled. Universities back East are Jewish Mafia controlled. FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, DHS, EPA, FDA, FCC, and Treasury are all Jew Mafia controlled.

Mayer Lansky Jew Mob Boss ran america, not the Sicialian Mafia folks. 80% of Russian Mafia are Jewish so Putin ROOOOOOOOOCKS for putin Khordokovsky in Siberian Prison. It was Khordokovsky who was driving that front end loader!!!!!!!!!!

We are so f**ked its not funny and all the crazy bitches that had babies in a world run by the Mafia are Mafia Dona Pigs who only care about what goes in and what comes out of their little fat asses.

Having babies around Mafia like smokin' cigarettes in gunpowder factory!

Now repeat after me: this is my rifle this is my gun, this one's fer mafia, this one's for cun(t).

Ben Burnyankee say: "We wacked Jesus & JFK for Bank Bustin' and walked, and have a 40 foot container of Gringo Bar-B-Q sauce"

Read Best Bank Book "None Dare Call It Conspiracy":

Video shows CIA & LAPD Import Cocaine:

Pseudo Anonym's picture

you really need to refocus your effort on the big picture. Who cares about the likes of Rothschilds etc. They are and always will be nothing more than hofjuden that betray jews and sent them to gas chambers at the drop of a coin whenever their master orders them. Jews are planted, stupid decoys for the likes of you to bitch about them so the puppeteers can continue pulling strings from behind the scenes to accomplish their goals. You need to figure out who "the man" is to understand what's going on. And let me assure you, the "man" is not a jew. He most likely comes from the ranks of your tribe - judging by the position you're taking. Long live vatican and the jesuit order!

TBT or not TBT's picture

Indeed, The Night of the Living Dow sounds about right.

High Plains Drifter's picture

Don't worry about it. Our Chinese made junk has been flying off the shelves. What me worry? Ha ha ha



Harry Wanger.

SheepDog-One's picture

'Necronomy', sums it all up perfect.

BigDuke6's picture

OPEC are liars who despise the west.

They manipulate production to suit themselves and no one else.

after ww2 the whole middle east should have been annexed and pumped dry. 

then we could still have had our goddam V8's filled up for 20 bucks.

until at least 2025...


snowball777's picture

I love the smell of ignorance in the morning.

luigi's picture

I hope BigDuke meant to be sarchastic...

snowball777's picture

I believe he did (as did I).

DaveyJones's picture

manifest destiny will get the best of me

TBT or not TBT's picture

Annexed, no, but a serious application of old school british empire style imperialism would have been nice, to impose modernity, rule of (non-sharia) law, capitalism, schools, armies worth a flip, and much else.    Instead we have these tyrannical population-overshoot basket cases where reciting the quoran passes for basic education and oil money brings bucks to prop up the tyrannies and crazies alike, and keep the women wrapped up, locked up, and ignorant.    Nothing like a solid century of imperial occupation to throw down on ancient backwardness.    Just ask India.    Two centuries under the british empire.

Alcoholic Native American's picture

Sharia law = law law

Why is the west so afraid of the rule of law? And more absurdly, convinced it is bringing it to other countries through imperialist crusades?

MobBarley's picture


Sharia law, much like any other codified system of law with a minor l, is what men compose when their subconscious knows they cannot fulfill the Golden Law.


tmosley's picture

EXCELLENT post.  There is a huge difference between the law and legislation.  

Laws are not made by men, but exist within us as a function of a very simple set of rules that inform complex behavior, namely that one has a right to self ownership, and a right to property.  Others describe it as the right to life, liberty, and property, though I would say that the second is derivative of the first, and the first is derivative of the third (through self ownership).

I am not a religious man, but if there is proof of God anywhere in the whole of the universe, it is there, in those rights.

Clycntct's picture


"right to property"

I was looking at a little popup image on top of the crocodiles head as he was chomping the gazelle.

I have a right to lunch.

Alcoholic Native American's picture

Listen you jackass, who are you to school me on the golden rule?

luigi's picture

Would you be pleased to be called jackass yourself?

Revolution_starts_now's picture

"Sharia law = law law"

Screw Sharia law and screw Christian law while your at it.

I am sick and tired of stupid people and their weak ass, made up gods.

What did Carlin say?

This is the work of an omnipotent god, this is the best he can do? This looks like the work of an incompetent god to me. Religion is a mental disorder and serves but one purpose, to control.

Matter of fact I'm sick of "law" in general. If it doesn't apply to every swinging dick, then it's just another form of control.

I think it's time we gave Anarchy a try, I know I would fair better under anarchy and the oligarchs wouldn't last a week. Let's give that a go for a while, until the oligarchs are gone anyway.

stewie's picture

Love Carlin.  

Problem with Anarchy is that ppl quickly regroup and organize and start killing and stealing each other's stuff.  But some scheme involving decentralization of power is certainly a good way to go.


Seer's picture

"Problem with Anarchy is that ppl quickly regroup and organize and start killing and stealing each other's stuff."

How is it any different with mainstream govts of today?

As you probably grasp (many do not), centralized govts brought us massive systems for murder (and theft).

KickIce's picture

George Washington:  Man can not govern properly without God and the Bible.


Seer's picture

Believe me when I say that I lie...

If man is unable to be trusted, then how can we trust man to tell us that "God" and the "Bible" are to be used/trusted?  How is a paralized deaf and dumb person (created by "God") supposed to understand/follow the "Bible?"

Do I follow YOUR interpretation of the words?  I mean, when it depends on the definition of "is?"* (*Given that the US was chosen by "God," and that any US president is therefor picked by "God" [if not, then is "God" slacking on his job?], and one of "God's" leaders cannot even define the word "is," well...) (and then there was GWB, but I won't go there- a sure embarassment to "God")

KickIce's picture

The principle are there for all to read.  You've got the 10 Commandments, the 2 Great Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount not to mention the parables that Jesus taught.

That being said, man is given the agency to choose for himself.  We choose not only the way we live but also those that lead us.  Unrighteous people have a tendency to put unrighteous people in power and you have to look no further that DC to prove this out.  Bottom line, God has given us freedom and the framework for success but we are pissing it down the drain.

Let the junks commense.


colorfulbliss's picture

Oh please do tell of this righteous person that was put into power by those who are righteous in recent history......


That's what I thought.



tenaciousj's picture

I would argue that the majority of people want, and some perhaps need someone to lead them.  Be it a king, commitee or whatever.  They simply have no desire or ability to put forth the effort to take resposibility for the direction of their life and would rather just leave that part up to someone else.

I've yet to understand why so many people here call for anarchy and the collapse of everything.  Like some magical utopia will spring up from the ashes.  If history is any lesson we will probably end up with something much worse in its place.

Seer's picture

"I've yet to understand why so many people here call for anarchy and the collapse of everything.  Like some magical utopia will spring up from the ashes.  If history is any lesson we will probably end up with something much worse in its place."

Anarchism places no prescribed methodology on anything, other than it advocates that power is not to be concentrated.

The falacy of those who support the status-quo aways is, and always has been, that it's the best that is or has ever existed.  It's a programmed belief by those in power, to keep them in power.

Anyone that thinks that the current "civil" projections will produce a better result than a near infinite set of options via anarchism is, well, only fooling themselves.

Anarchism does NOT mean chaos.  Again, look around and ask whether the current system(s) are leading us away from chaos.  I'd argue that they are not.  I'd also argue that it would be far more likely that anarchism would produce more free-thinking people (who could adapt to our changing environment) than the current system does: the current system is painting us into a corner with its continual pursuit of "conformity."

Bryan's picture

"Anarchy in peace" is certainly a noble pursuit, but wholly impossible in the real world.  Human ego and pride gets in the way and messes it all up.  Refer back to the Bible again about what do to with human ego and pride.  ;-)

Katharotes's picture


"If it doesn't apply to every swinging dick, then it's just another form of control."

lol, indeed, indeed....

malikai's picture

Yea, good luck with that. I'm sure they'll just love being colonies to a bunch of crooked white people again. They always enjoyed that sort of thing.

snowball777's picture

You've got a serious case of the stupids if you can't recognize that the fucked up world you see before you is the end result of 'british empire style imperialism' and its abject failure along with the idiotic actions of the US from the first half of the 20th century until now (Kermit Roosevelt?). Most, if not all, of the major conflicts on the globe were inspired by British meddling and trebly so in the ME, Af-Pak, and India.

Calmyourself's picture

British style imperialism was a mixed bag.  No one can seriously argue that their border setting policies were not maniacal or did not contribute or eve n cause future conflict.  However, ther administration skills initially imposed and then adopted created a system for countries to evolve around and through. 

hedgeless_horseman's picture

They've taken everything we've ever had...and not just from us...from our fathers...

And what have they ever given us in return?

Byte Me's picture

So we're going to forget about any contribution to global 'development' made in C20 by communism, corporate consumerism and the two teensy weensy Global Wars perpetrated by good old Deutchland.

Gee snowball, that's right white of you to blame it all on the British Empire.

Homework for tonight: (i) 3-page essay on the circumstances leading to The Great War and its consequences for the British Empire.

(ii) WWII - discuss who the aggressors were and why.


AnAnonymous's picture

imperialism would have been nice, to impose modernity, rule of (non-sharia) law, capitalism, schools, armies worth a flip, and much else.   


Just like Japan benefited from.

Oh wait, Japan modernized out of colonization while the rest of the world was colonized.

Colonization is a factor of backwardness.

tmosley's picture

Not backwardness, but socialism.  Those societies which embraced socialism were colonized by more powerful capitalist societies.  Socialism within those societies bred the weakness and fragmentation that allowed inferior forces to conquer and control vast swaths of land and multitudes of people.

Japan bucked the trend, ditched feudalism (class based socialism), and adopted many of the policies that made the West so powerful.  Sadly, they also adopted the already hatched seeds of the downfall of the West (nascent socialism).  

My, how governments tend to screw everything up.  If Japan had only been content to let their markets do their own thing rather than trying to dictate growth by conquering new lands (for cheap labor) and adopting militarism as a state policy (in search of cheap energy), they would have done so much better than they have.

AnAnonymous's picture

How true. Feudalism was a sheer expression of socialism. Way too many people deny that.

I heard that Neanderthal people were socialistic in their heart, a set of simple intrinsic rules so their society could operate. This caused their demise to Sapiens whose simple set of rules was capitalistic. Another major historical event to show the common fate suffered at the hands of socialism.


Djeee, where are the days of fine propaganda gone? Where are the talented propagandists? Maybe they are way too aware of resources depletion to spend theirs on weaving proper propaganda.

Propaganda should be funny at least. 

malikai's picture

"They manipulate production to suit themselves and no one else."

Are you saying that OPEC shouldn't be doing what is in the best interests of themselves?

They have every right to restrict production or change the trading currency if they so wish. Your above statement implies that you have some entitlement or right to the oil they produce. You don't. Neither do I. If we want that oil, we either pay for it, or we make it ourselves. Welcome to the market.


CitizenPete's picture

Irregardless if BigDick is making with the sarcasm or not, there is a point to his Neanderthal rhetoric and that is the US globalist pigs will take what they can not steal or pay for.  All in the name of apple pie. 

Just watch how fast Hillary waves her cock at the first middle-east country not willing to take bribes (in the form of weapons or protection from the nuclear Zionists) and bend to the will of the elites chosen white smiling puppets and henchmen. The US will have their oil and the elites will milk the wealth from the plebs by setting the price.  Sure they will blame the guys wearing the picnic table cloths on their heads, but they don't set price.  Other than Iran, Venezuela, and a few others not agreeing to the petrol-dollar scam, the rest gave up the right to set the price a long time ago (with every F-15 and patriot missile they received).  Uncle Sam has one hand in your back pocket, while he continually jerks you off with the other. 

Solar Panels, electric scooters, and the Nissan Leaf, bitches. 

malikai's picture

Yea, you are most likely correct, and I despise that this is the case.

As an aside, I do a much better job jerking myself off than uncle same can ever do. Maybe if they stopped using 20 grit sandpaper gloves it would be nicer. Maybe if I just let them take more they will stimulate me with better sandpaper and I'll go buy a new dakota or H3.